TWG S2 E8: Learning through innovative solutions for students with dyslexia and visual impairments with Marty Shultz

In today's episode, Cheri delves into the world of digital solutions for learning disabilities. Joined by Marty Schultz, co-founder of Objective Ed, they explore groundbreaking tools designed for students with dyslexia, visual impairments, and other reading challenges. Discover how Objective Ed's digital curriculum, including the Braille AI tutor and Buddy Books, transforms the educational experience for students across the country. Cheri shares her personal journey with dysgraphia, offering insights into overcoming learning obstacles. Marty sheds light on the impact of their products in enhancing reading fluency and confidence, revealing how technology can revolutionize learning for those who struggle with traditional methods.

Bio: Marty is a cofounder of ObjectiveEd, which builds a reinforcement digital curriculum for students with disabilities.  He has coordinated several NSF, NIH, and HHS grants for developing products for students who have dyslexia and students with vision impairments.   ObjectiveEd products are used in hundreds of school districts, including some of the largest districts in the country.    He has degrees from Carnegie-Mellon University and Harvard Business School.

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"Anytime you can share that with the computer, kids love being with a computer, playing on it, and having it interact with them. As you've heard at the beginning, the voice on the reading, even though it's a computer-based voice, sounds even better than Siri or Alexa. So kids really like to read with that computer." - Marty Schultz.

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Cheri Dotterer: Good morning,
good afternoon and good evening,

depending on where you listen to
the podcast. Hey, I am cheri

Dotterer, I am an Occupational
Therapist and recovering

dysgraphic Welcome to the
writing glitch, hacking

dysgraphia no pencil required.
Did you know I struggled with

reading, writing and math, but
also a little bit of speech when

I was younger, I still struggle
a little bit with all of them as

well. And I really tried to
understand the connections where

I was struggling with the
connections with my kids, not

just my biological kids, but
those students that I was

getting referred to all the
time. And, really, I was blaming

it all on my vision. But that
wasn't everything, there was

something else going on as well.
And so I consider myself a

recovering dysgraphic not to say
that I am fully over it, but I

have overcome enough that I've
been able to be successful at

getting the word out about this
disability. Today I use the

impact formula to help students
overcome their self esteem

issues, their self confidence
issues so that they can also

become recovering disk graphics.

Today on the podcast, we are
interviewing Marty Schultz. He

is the co founder of objective
Ed, which builds a reinforcement

digital curriculum for students
with disabilities. He's

coordinated several National
Science Foundation, National

Institutes of Health and Human
Services grants for developing

products, students who have
dyslexia and visual impairments.

Objective Ed products are used
in hundreds of school districts,

including some of the largest
school districts in the country.

He has degrees from Carnegie
Mellon, Harvard, and Harvard

Business School. Marty, how are
you really?

Unknown: I'm doing well. And
thank you for inviting me on

your show. Thank

Cheri Dotterer: you for being
here. today's podcast is

sponsored by detar educational
consulting. We offer a digital

dysgraphia certification course
that builds dysgraphia awareness

and provides strategies for
lesson plan development, so that

you can design your own lessons.
If you would like to take this

course, you can learn more about
it at our dysgraphia webinar,

which is held typically the
second Wednesday of the month at

7pm. Eastern time. If you go to
cheri dotterer.com, my name is

spelled ch e Ri d o TT er er, if
you go to cheri dotterer.com,

forward slash calendar, you can
find out when the next event is

you can sign up there. And join
me for the webinar. So without

further ado, let's get started
talking a little bit about what

objective Ed is Marty? Tell us a
little bit more.

Unknown: Sure. Thanks. So we
started objective Ed about five

or so years ago. And we started
initially building a gamified

digital curriculum for students
with vision impairments. And we

created a set of games that
would teach concepts like

orientation, mobility, assistive
technology, and Braille literacy

to students who were either very
low vision or blind. We had a

couple of ideas that we were
testing out and one of those

ideas ended up turning into a
product that was funded by the

Microsoft AI for accessibility
group called Braille AI tutor.

And in that system, a student
who was blind would use with

COVID Braille display, think of
it as a one line Kindle with

dots that pop up, and the
student would read a sentence

out loud, and the computer would
listen to that determined what

the computer what the child
said. Compare that to what the

sentence was supposed to be that
was sent to the Braille display.

And if the child got it right in
their own reading, they would

move ahead and a treasure
hunting game took us about a

year or so to build that and it
was pretty impressive. I helped

a lot of kids get more enjoyment
out of the process of learning

Braille, we thought isn't cool
to use speech recognition as a

way to test a child's oral
reading. So we applied to the

National Science Foundation we
said instead of using a Braille

display, let's use a screen and
help kids with dyslexia practice

reading. So it came up with the
idea of something called bunny

books, where a computer and a
child alternate reading one

sentence at a time at an any
have over a million books, the

computer to read a sentence, and
then the child will read the

next sentence and then The
computer the sense after that,

meanwhile, the computer is
analyzing how well the child is

reading and helping them where
they struggle and showing the

teacher or the parent where they
need extra help. So that's kind

of what we've been up to. And
it's great for kids with with

really any struggling reader,
child with dyslexia, a child

with ADHD, a child autism, or
really any child who has more

than a year or two behind their
peers in school, any sort of

struggling reader.

Cheri Dotterer: So what you're
saying is that the computer is

analyzing their articulation in
the background, and is able to

then say, hey, look, this one's
having trouble saying the letter

R, we're the CH sound or etc,
etc. Is that what you're saying?

Well, that's,

Unknown: that's actually what's
going on on the inside, but we

want to keep it a very positive
experience. So while the child

is cooperating with computer,
we're not correcting the child,

but we're catching those
mistakes. And I'll describe in a

little while what we do with
those mistakes, but I feel it

might be cool to watch, I can
put up a video of actually a

child buddy reading and using
the product so you can kind of

get a feeling of what it's like,
we'd like to do that.

Cheri Dotterer: That would be
amazing. Yes, go ahead and do

that. Okay. Well, while you're
working on getting that

available, what kind of teachers
are utilizing this product? Are

they the reading specialists?
They see the dyslexia teachers?

Are they the gen ed teachers? We
haven't really moved into Gen

Unknown: Ed yet. But it's
primarily teachers who provide

tutoring or specialized services
for children with dyslexia or

other reading disabilities. But
I think I got their video ready

to go. Let me fire it all right,

Cheri Dotterer: and make make
sure that it's set up so that

the audio file can hear it well.
So for those of you who are

listening to the podcast, if you
go over to my YouTube channel,

Cheri Dotterer YouTube channel,
you'll be able to see the video

version here and see what buddy
books looks like. I am not going

to be looking at the camera for
a moment because I want to see

what buddy books looks like in
so understand. I'm looking away

from the camera for a moment.
Okay, go ahead.

Unknown: Lila brought Juliet and
dagger poking with arrow and

Rufus. And soon Queen Selena and
Lady Griffin joined them.

Here we all are all said rather
glumly.

The dogs played on the grass and
Morgan joined them silly stayed

within reach ready to leave at
his harness if he showed signs

of trying to follow up now.

I think we'll be all right. So
we said we can do this.

We don't have much of a choice.
Lila pointed out.

So as you can see,

the child reads one sentence the
computer reads or not. And they

go back and forth. It's a very
engaging experience, the

teacher, the mom picks a book
that's appropriate for the

child. And she can pick from
over a million different books.

And I'll describe that in a
minute. And then the child reads

the book. And when they make a
mistake, the computer notes it

and then we'll tell the parent
or the teacher where they made

the mistake. So the teacher can
hear all that. And then the cool

part is is something called a
review mode within buddy books.

As buddy books analyzing how
well the child is reading, it's

noting where the mistakes and
bringing it up to the child

because they want to keep it a
positive experience. But we keep

track of that. And then when the
reading session starts the next

day, the child is shown where
they made mistakes and given a

chance to improve. Now we do a
combination of things there that

are designed around research in
reading science in speech and

language impairments in
dyslexia, where we do a

combination of things to help
the child improve. And through

these combination of things
we've been doing. Children, if

they use his day in day out will
end up improving their fluency,

which is measured in correct
words per minute, by about 24%

significant without any
intervention. If a child has

severe dyslexia, or other
issues, they should work with a

dyslexia expert. But in addition
to working with a dyslexia tutor

or specialist, the child needs
to practice all reading every

single day, the more they read,
the more they'll get better. So

in this review mode, the first
thing we do is we find a passage

that a child struggled with,
then we will model read the

passage to the child. In other
words, here's how the patient

should sound, then we will have
the child listen to how they

read it. So they can kind of
pick up on some of their

mistakes. And then we give the
child a chance to read a second

time. And that's where we're
seeing so I have another short

video I can show you and this is
longer than the other one but

just see the full experience at
the child go through now. Review

mode takes about a minute every
day and just looks away the

child make mistakes. So I'm
gonna get this going for you.

Let's review a few passages from
your last session. I'll read it

first. Lula's mounted his horse,
and so did the soldiers who were

guarding the party. The tax
collectors hurrying to get

inside the coach Seeley suppose
this arrangement was better for

everyone, the girls would help
keep Lorcan under control and

the tax collectors wouldn't have
to share the code before dogs.

Now let's hear what you read.

Through laugh motioned his
horse. From so did the soldiers

who were guarding the party. Tax
collectors hurry to get inside

the coach. Silly suppose his
argument was better for everyone

from girls would help keep or
Tim under control, the tax

collectors wouldn't have to show
the coach with four dogs.

Click on the air symbol to
listen again. When you're ready,

click on the Record button and
try reading the passage again.

Lou laugh mounted his horse, and
so did the soldiers who were

guarding the party, the tax
collectors hurry to get inside

the coach. See, at least suppose
this arrangement was better for

everyone. The girls would help
keep walking under control, and

the tax collectors wouldn't have
to share the coach with four

dogs. Great

job. Now let's get back to

the book. And you can see there
where

the child skipped over some
words or read the book The word

arrangement was argument or
motion versus mounted as because

a lot of times kids with
dyslexia or other reading

disabilities will guess at words
as opposed to taking it more

slowly. By doing this model
reading and then self

monitoring, they end up
improving by practicing day

after day after day. Now one of
the cool things about buddy

books is not only are we doing
the CO reading the buddy reading

back and forth between the child
and the computer, but anytime

there's a really long paragraph,
we break it into smaller chunks,

so it's easier to digest. So
that means a child read will

read one or two sentences and
the computer wanted to send them

going back and forth like that,
which means the child is more

engaged in the story. And since
it's every other sentence or

every other passage, they're
reading half as much as they

would otherwise have to, they
would just plop down on the

book. That means it's a lower
cognitive load, which is E so

they're able to read books more
at their interest level than

their reading skill level that
they might think I'm locatie

books. But that's kind of buddy
books in a nutshell.

Cheri Dotterer: So how do you
help transition to writing

skills with Buddy books? Is
there a component of it that

takes the lesson and gives them
writing prompts? Or is there any

part of it at all that helps
with writing? Right now we're

Unknown: not focusing on the
writing portion, we're mainly

focusing on first fluency and
porosity. And then we're

starting to move more to
comprehension to make sure that

now that they're reading more
accurately and possibly slower,

they end up building up their
reading skills and fluency over

time. But when you look at
comprehension, and then the next

step after that other parts of
the neurobiological framework of

that whole relates to literacy.
So

Cheri Dotterer: you're still
working on developing those

parts of it. It's, it is in the
works. It's not complete yet. Or

yeah,

Unknown: it's a long term
process of doing everything. So

right now, we're still working
under a lot of national science

foundation grants, to build out
more and more technology and

ways that we can help kids
improve their literacy.

Cheri Dotterer: I have like
three students that are moving

through my head, when I was
doing direct services, that this

particular kind of a program
would definitely enhance their

skills, I have to see if I can
find their contact information

and send them your way because I
believe that a couple of them

would really improve their
reading fluency with that

service. I know something like
that would have helped me

because I absolutely have poured
reading out loud because I

stuttered so much.

Unknown: I think it's
interesting because a lot of

kids who started using this
they're reading everyday with

computer computer monitors man,
they'll read the computer reads

goes back and forth. A lot of
times that helps them get over

being being embarrassed or
reluctant to read in front of

their peers in classrooms. I
want to share one more another

video here. This is a mom who
was you've been using buddy

books for the past year. She has
four kids, you don't have to

homeschool their kids. One of
them had real symptoms of

dyslexia. And it's cool to just
deceit see what she says in her

experience with it.

In her fourth grade books was
105 words per minute, Lord of

the Rings is about a ninth
grade. Now she's at 127 correct

words per minute, with that big
of a jump.

So that so Hannah, who she's
describing was a seventh grade

student. If or she was raising
body books she was reading at a

fourth grade level. She improved
up so much that she came back

her mom and said, I now want to
start reading Lord of the Rings,

which is a ninth grade book. And
she was able to do it by doing

that shared reading back and
forth. Bounce.

Cheri Dotterer: So you mentioned
like the Lord of the Rings, like

that's really a popular book, I
imagine that you've also put a

Harry Potter books on there.
What kind of library Do you

have?

Unknown: I'm glad you asked.
That's a great question. So a

kid that that is has dyslexia, a
reading disability of vision

impairment, anything like that?
There is an exception to the

copyright clause for the Library
of Congress that allows these

students with a disability to
access copyrighted books for

free as an extension of the
library Congress as all managed

through a nonprofit organization
called Bookshare. Unheard of

Bookshare. So we are a partner
to Bookshare. So any book that's

within Bookshare, which has over
1.2 million books for kids,

anywhere from first grade up
through adult can access those

books directly from buddy books.
That's why Lord of the Rings,

that's why Harry Potter, you
name it, Hank, the Cowdog,

whatever the book is, with this
very high chance that we have in

the library, we have decodable
's in there as well.

Cheri Dotterer: Oh, that's
really cool. What about their

textbooks? Is that kind of a
book included in a bookshelf

process or program? Oh,

Unknown: sure, does have
textbooks there. But I think a

textbook wouldn't be as much fun
to read in this buddy, buddy

scenario than a fiction book.
Okay, your nonfiction book.

Because, yeah, again, it'll make
the reading easier. But the

whole idea that buddy books is
it's very engaging and enjoyable

for the kid given that positive
feedback. With that,

Cheri Dotterer: I you know,
that, you know, textbooks can

get just very boring and dry for
the kids. I wondering. Even

though, it sounds like a boring
thing that it would help kids

engage in the narrative context,
like, like, I'm thinking those

stories in a social studies book
that are talking about the

pilgrims or something like that,
and not necessarily the whole

book. But the story part of the
lesson might be beneficial, I

don't know.

Unknown: When a teacher or
parent uses buddy books, they

simply pick the book, they
actually get a little portal

within buddy books to give them
access to all the books within

Bookshare, they pick, they first
enter their Bookshare

credentials, okay, and to get
books here that are going to

have what it takes to get
Bookshare qualification, but

they enter their books, your
username and password from

within buddy books, they have
access over books, so they could

pull down a textbook, a
nonfiction book or fiction book.

And the way you get Bookshare
qualification is whether it's an

IEP or some reading professional
say, Yes, this student has a

struggling reader from following
reasons. You send a piece of

paper to Bookshare they look at
it, and then they send you a

username and password to get in.

Cheri Dotterer: Okay, all right.
So you have to have some kind of

qualification to get access to
Bookshare. It's not like

somebody who is homeschooling
their child who suspects, there

might be some problem that can
get access, they actually have

to have a professional, give
them some kind of certificate

that says that they should have
access. Well,

Unknown: there are actually
three ways they can get access.

One way they are up. And if mom
was homeschooled her kids,

schools are still obligated to
do that, to give it to give it

an analysis that a second way is
to go to a local entity, find a

local consultant to do that
reading teacher or local

hospital do that. A third way is
we made a partnership with Dr.

Brock ID. Now Dr. Brock, it
wrote the book, the Dyslexic

advantage. And Dr. Id has an app
in the App Store, that the kid

takes about a 45 minute tests,
and it measures all sorts of

neural circuitry of what's going
on there like comparing the name

of an object to the picture of
the object, how long does it

take, take the child to do that
in milliseconds. So it gives the

child about 45 minutes worth of
tests using this app on either

iPad or an Android or an iPhone.
And then he'll give you an

analysis of that. And that
analysis is sufficient if it

thinks the child has something
that would give them access to

Bookshare. So give them a piece
of paper that picture accepts

and they do that. And what we've
done is we formed our

partnership without the ID where
479 99 $79 You can take this

test. If Doctor ID finds that
the child does not have any sort

of symptoms in there. You get
your money back. If the child

does have something then you get
a full report. I have access to

those million books in
Bookshare.

Cheri Dotterer: Oh, that is
amazing. And I'm thinking, of

course, I think about how to do
this, utilize this service. And

I'm looking at writing. So for
the moment, I'm just going to

talk to the audience. So
occupational therapists, if you

have a kid who is struggling
with reading and writing, and

you get access to book share how
I'm thinking that you could

utilize this service is for
copying purposes? Or if I don't

know if there is a question and
answer that that writing prompt

at the bottom, you could utilize
some of those other strategies

that I talked about in the
Pocket Cast on how to record so

that you can copy dictate or
self generate new material for

the students. So, Mr. Schulz,
what I do with my students with

the dysgraphia is I utilize a
the AI resource called otter.ai.

And I will record our
conversation. So we might be

answering the questions at the
bottom section of some kind of

reading document, so that I can
help get an idea of their

reading comprehension. And then,
depending on what I want to do

with that student from a writing
perspective, I will take a look

at the transcript and take out
like one or two sentences out of

our conversation, and have them
transcribe those, I might even

have to go as far as writing the
copy on the paper if they're

doing a direct copy. Or if they
can utilize their iPad or the

phone or the desktop, so that
they can see it, and then they

can copy it from there. Or if
I'm doing a dictation, I don't

let them see the transcription,
but I let them hear it. And I

have them transcribe the
sentence. And if they have to

self generate a brand new
sentence, we go back, we listen

to it. Now try to create a new
sentence from what we've just

done. So there's just an idea
for you for the future is that

three levels of of writing to
respond to a writing prompt, it

can be copied. And you may even
look at different kinds of

handwriting paper that are out
there when you get to that

point. And there's another,
there's a handwriting resource

that I'm going to be
interviewing her in a little

while, that I'd like to refer
you to and everybody that's

listening to the audience, you.
I am scheduling her interview

soon. So you you make sure that
you listen to the podcast so

that you know when Renee cassuto
comes on so that she can talk

about her handwriting app, you
guys would be a great connection

for one another to help bridge
the writing handwriting. Yep.

Yeah, I went off on a on a
tangent there. But I thought it

was very important for the
occupational therapists to know

that they can utilize this
device as well as the reading

teacher. So continue with what
you were gonna say you said you

had another video you wanted to
share, check

Unknown: out so this mom, I met
at one of the homeschool

conferences, she had been using
the prop for a while with her

son. So I wanted to show it this
video is a little rough, because

they're just little titles
between the two. But you'll

you'll get a kick out of it.

And I have a son, he's dyslexic
in his nine. And he's been

struggling for his reading. And
he really just, it's a fight to

get him to read aloud. And it's
the fight to get him to just

practice. So when we started
using this every day, we'll go

and sign up, please. 15 minutes
and he sits down and he reads

his book. And he walks away
feeling great. He's not

discouraged. He's not unhappy.
And that's all just a big

difference. Right now he's
reading an entire series. He's

in the third book and the last
kids on Earth, which I hadn't

heard of, but it really was
excited about it. It's a Netflix

TV show. And now he's getting to
read the book and he loves it.

He did not used to like to read
today, but now he does it. He

used to be he didn't necessarily
feel good about those 15

minutes. Now he feels good about
it. And it's amazing because his

he'll comes and looks at the
chart. When I'm checking his

progress. They'll sneak up and
look and if it's not above 80%

And he's like, Oh, I just have
to try harder. That's pretty

good.

He's read six books since he

was reading Peter Pan, but he
decided it was a little too. The

words were too old tiny, he said
So and then we got Bookshare.

And he was able to go in and
pick

from hundreds of books. I didn't

really think I thought it was
just gonna be like every other

program like for reading books,
you know, sometimes you read a

walk along with an audiobook, I
didn't really know what I did,

but I started reading. I
actually look at the individual

sentence, read that, what's next
and do that. So I don't have to

constantly worry about reading

Cheri Dotterer: all time. Oh,
he's adorable. So my son loves

the Percy Jackson series. And he
doesn't have a reading issue.

But I could see a kid like that
little guy that you just shared,

getting very excited about the
Percy Jackson series, because

I'm sure that's on Bookshare.
And, and some of the other

series that that particular
author wrote, yeah, this sounds

exciting. And I can see long
term that it can really become

something very powerful to help
from reading through writing,

and even help kids with the
narrative portions of lesson

planning to help them read
through the book themselves.

Unknown: Yeah, anytime you can
share that with the computer,

kids love being with computer
playing on them and, and having

it interact with them. And as
you've heard at the beginning,

the voice on the reading, even
though that's a computer based

voice sounds even better than
Siri or Alexa does. So kids

really like to read with that
computer. One other thing I

wanted to point out, when you
were mentioning in recording

what the what the child doesn't
do some of the dysgraphia you

were doing is one of the things
that buddy books will do as that

mom was mentioning, as we show
charts to the parent or the

teacher, exactly where the
child's making mistakes and how

much they're reading. But we
also recording everything

they're doing. So if the
computer say scores the child

when the teacher was looking at
it as they made certain

mistakes, we actually let the
teacher listen to the recordings

of the child exactly how they
read it. So instead of doing

like a one minute or five minute
cold read, all that information

is always there that anyone can
refer to. So the child doesn't

feel like they're under pressure
to do a cold read, you can just

go back and listen to what they
did two days ago.

Cheri Dotterer: That's great.
That's great. Wow, this has been

fantastic learning about buddy
books. Is there anything else

that you'd like to share today?
Well,

Unknown: what I was going to do
is provide a coupon code that if

any, anyone who wants to get it
for home use and try it out, we

have like a two week trial. And
then it's $99 a year under a

trial code that I'll announce
here, which is T w g 99.

And I'll have that available by
the time this is posted to

Cheri Dotterer: w g 99. That's
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