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Welcome, Bogum. This is I love this client's built life series today. Another really beautiful client and friends. Really amazing coach as well, Mira Rao, all the way from Perth in Australia. Mira and I met in Bali.
Relinde:We've been friends for a long time, and we have worked with each other. And Mira is also, a graduate of the elevate to thrive method. Like, we've worked through every part of it. And, Mira is resilience and embodiment coach and a really good one. Also, yoga teacher has an MBA, like, definitely multi talented and multi passionate.
Relinde:And what she does is providing healing strategies for high striving workaholics, perfectionists, and people pleasers. I've seen some of the testimonials recently of the work that you do with your people. And it's just mind blowing and really powerful and amazing. I'm really happy to have you here, Mira. Is there anything in your introduction that I didn't say that you want to share?
Mira:No, I think that was beautiful and I'm just really grateful on it and happy to be here as well.
Relinde:That's amazing. So we're going to chat today about the things that have transformed for you and in your business and in your life, over the years and in us working together on certain things. One of the things that you said let me just I I'm very curious about this one because I really don't know the story yet is that those shift shifting work that we did, that you said I had a break with music through in your music. Can you tell me more about that? Like what, what happened?
Mira:For sure. So will you know? I've played I've sat on the bed in a room in Bali singing and playing guitar to you years many years ago.
Relinde:Yeah.
Mira:And I could do it in that context. But doing it out on stage was a really big challenge for me. And I remember sitting. So the context was I don't remember exactly where we were in the program and everything, but I printed out everything, and I had all of your, belief change sheets, like, spread. I'd printed everything.
Mira:I was like, I needed a hard copy physical spread out on the bed, and I was working through so I was working through a belief around not being enough and not good enough. And it was showing up in music. And I think I'd also had a conversation with you about it as well. And I was just done. I was like, I'm so freaking sick of this.
Mira:I'm so sick of it. These glasses are and I used your method, and I and this is, like, going back a couple of years now. So I had the sheets. I filled out the things. I went through the process, and then I remember picking up my guitar and probably for the first time, like enjoying it, enjoying singing and enjoying my own songs.
Mira:Cause I write music. I write my own songs and play music and going, this is good enough. This is good enough. Like how I am exactly as I am is perfectly good enough and okay. And it was really you know, those peak little peak moments that you have.
Mira:And it was like a really, like, buzzy kind of, this is it, you know? And then I went on, later that year to begin my 100 open mic challenge. So I started performing and I have been performing ever since. And the reason why I wrote that, Relinda, just for you to know as well is because that process of applying what I learned from you and other things to my music then allowed me to go, I can apply this to my business. This thing that terrifies me more than anything else and is like the guts and heart of my creativity and who I am music.
Mira:I can bring that into business.
Relinde:Wow. I love you sharing this. And and I remember really well that in Bali you were playing and I'd yeah. I've never heard your play a thing. I was like, what?
Relinde:You're a really good musician. I didn't even say that in your in your intro, and I love how you say that that shifting the belief. And then, of course, with with different avenues that you have, but also with that elevated belief process, as I call it, where you can really find out, like, what is that limiting belief that is holding me back, and how will I replace it? You wrote down, that the belief was that you replaced was how I am now, exactly as I am. It's perfectly okay.
Relinde:And I, I think that's so beautiful. And of course, as a business owner, Yeah. If you if you have that, that I can imagine I gave a lot of peace and calm and confidence to to then show up. Do you wanna share more about that? Like if you see in the past year, maybe 2 years, because we've been working together for like a little while, what has changed there and like what you have done
Mira:so much for Linda. I was having a think about it because I wrote that quite quickly, those answers to you. And then I thought, oh, we're going to go in deeper when we talk. And so I sat sat with it. And even last night, I was talking to my partner and I was thinking, oh my goodness.
Mira:The things I'm doing now, even just a year ago, would have seemed so beyond. Like like, I I would not have I just wouldn't have pictured them being possible. You know? It's like, I I I just I don't know. Or not possible in the way that they're possible.
Mira:So I think one of the things I pointed to was content consistency. And I point to it because of how much difference it makes to your business, whether people come through your content directly or not having your energy out there, having your energy signature being consistent just makes such a big difference. And so that I'm good enough exactly, perfectly good enough exactly how I am shows up in my content, you know, and started at that time where I think I remember telling you as well. It's like, oh, I'm getting to this point now where I can just turn on the camera and talk and, I'm cool with it. You know, there's mistakes and maybe I didn't quite express that.
Mira:And I just stopped caring about that.
Relinde:Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Mira:Yeah.
Relinde:Because if I don't okay. I wanna say too many things at the same time. One of the things that I know is that at one time, you still had a different job and you will do your business on this side. Right now, you're full time in your business.
Mira:So I've now become full time in the business. I've been full time in my business since may, I think of this year. So I think when we very first started, you and I, I was still working part time and it took me maybe a year or a bit more to and I and I had a few, like, iterations of what my services would actually be. And, you know, and again, this is what you do so brilliantly, Relinda. You make it all okay.
Mira:Yep. Another iteration and you'll probably have another 15 in the next year and 20,000,000 before you're done with your business. You know, it's all fine. And so having those iterations and learning and learning and learning and learning and learning, I came to a place where, yeah, so now I'm full time in the business. And what was I gonna say?
Mira:And really clear about, like, no doubt, no hesitation about the value of what I do with people, of Yeah. What I of the work that I do. And I also have a mostly clearly, although it evolves, clearly articulated method. Thanks to you.
Relinde:Yes. And that method contains so so also during that time, you still started and I'm you're still in another studies. Right? So I'm doing my degree at the same time. Yeah.
Relinde:Yeah. You're doing your degree at the same time. Like so so a lot what you're doing, you're bringing different modalities. What are the modalities that you bring together in working with your people? Yeah.
Mira:So the primary foundation for me is neurobiology and nervous system regulation. So that is I'll I'll throw out some names and people who are nerdy and interested can go look. There's Peter Levine, Stephen Porges, Polyvagal Theory, Peter Levine, Somatic Experiencing, Dan Siegel, Relational Neurobiology. So I like to start there because many of us have been conditioned to give a certain amount of respect to science. Right?
Mira:And yet that particular type of science and understanding neurobiology will take you into the mystical as well because the biology of the body is a mystical thing. Yeah. So those are the, the modalities that I teach people, which gives them an empowered sense of, oh, I understand what is going on in my nervous system. I also use a lot of somatic and embodiment tools from yoga. So, you know, that whole idea of, oh, if I changed my physiology and I move and I, and I shape something, then I'm going to have a different experience.
Relinde:Yeah.
Mira:I also integrate. So it's very integrative. My model, the modalities that are in it, nonviolent communication. I already said relational bureau, relational neurobiology, yoga, some breath work, meditation. And I think those are the primary ones, the different, you know, to understand the mechanics behind the pros, the embodied living process.
Mira:Those are the modalities that get blended.
Relinde:Yeah. Yeah. Could you share a bit? Because that is a lot. And I know I work with a lot of people that have different things because I think I love that I'm that way too.
Relinde:It's It's multi passionate. And, how has the process of creating your own method that we went through together, how has it helped you to draw that all into together? Yeah. Thing and be able to market it and talk about it and yeah.
Mira:So although I say there's all of those, I think most people, myself included, there's really an and probably you I'm gonna guess. Cause this is a pattern that I've noticed is that most people have 3 primary modalities that seem to get blended, and then all the other ones in the background. So there's a whole other bunch of other ones in the background, but the process with you. So there's quite a number of things you've done, Rolinda, to help me do this because I struggled for quite a while to to articulate it and get it down. Pulling apart.
Mira:Where to start? I'm gonna just describe how the process went. Is that okay for me? And then yeah. So we started with trying to identify pillars when you're like okay what are the actual main content areas or pillars or results and areas that people are working with?
Mira:And then looking at as I started to engage with people on social media and get their feedback and hear their stories, and then also started getting more clients and working with people and getting their testimonials. And, you know, you've been so kind to, like, go through them with me and pull out key shifts. Okay. That's what was happening before, and this is what's happening now. And that identification of the transformation, which I know many many people I struggled with still still have some challenges with I don't I imagine the people listening will identify with that.
Mira:You do so brilliantly of, like, oh, guiding us through. Here's what it was, and and here's where it is now. So I think getting the feedback and starting to interpret and translate all of that kinda nerdy speak that you heard from me at the beginning into the language of my clients and their actual experiences, has been helping, you know, and I've still got I don't think I'm as good at good at it as you are. I've still got a ways to go on my journey, but I am seeing that happen now. I'm saying, ah, okay.
Mira:And I pay attention to what resonates and why it resonates. And then I bring that back. Okay. So in my head, there's a model and some people that are really interested wanna know. But I know where, you know, all the bit different bits of what my clients are experiencing, where that maps, and I think talking them through it, you know, here we are in embodied loving self compassion.
Mira:Here we are in embodied living resilience routines, and here we are in embodied living, taking your regulated nervous system out into the world. Yeah. Yeah.
Relinde:Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. What I what I hear you say is that and for anybody watching this, that is like Mira, like you have different educations. You're super smart. You're, like, super qualified in many, many different things, but it's hard to bring them together.
Relinde:That's exactly this. And when you create your own method, you don't only for yourself have, like, a process that, you know, where you take people through, you make that conscious for very often. You do it already, but it's unconscious, but then you make it conscious. And then what you said, then you can create the messaging around it and people start to relate to it. And if you just talk about the nerdy stuff, they might not be able to hear you.
Relinde:But when you know how to use their language and really take them through, this is when they are like easy, like, of course. Yes. This is something actually I thought about it. We talked about a while ago that you said you crazy high and we're going to call it the, the marketing, like words, like the sales, like words, but conversion rate on your sales. We want to share more about that.
Mira:Yeah. I haven't been tracking for the last couple of months now. So but it's, I mean, it's 9 90 something, I think, percent. Yeah. And It's interesting, Melinda, because today, I actually got a call.
Mira:I just I had someone call me, and they'd been referred by somebody. And the way that that person articulated what I do even to this person was so clear. She was like, oh, I, I just already know. I want to work with you. I was like, okay, great.
Relinde:Because you're so good at what you do, and so working with people and they get such beautiful results, you're just getting all these referrals. You get people, like, sending you even therapists sending people to you. So although you do your marketing and you have your messaging, which is, of course, very important, it's also growing, like, really nicely and organically in a way that is just really in alignment. And I wanted to talk about that for a moment too because I know every time we work, you're like, Melinda, I need this to do this my way. I need to do it in integrity.
Relinde:I need but it's great. You know? A 100%, of course, we don't wanna sell something that we don't feel is real or that we're you know, it just does feel out of integrity. Do you want to speak about that a little bit, your journey in that and, and how that feels right now?
Mira:Oh, I feel a bit teary, actually. You remembering that and thinking, oh, yeah. I did do that, and I continue to do that. And I'm at a point now in my business where I'm doing that and it's working. So that just makes me feel like, woah.
Mira:You you know, you you can do business with integrity and authenticity and feel good about your marketing, good about good about your business, you know, because I think when you start and you don't know and there's so much fear and uncertainty and still working through your own issues and, I think for me, like, one of the one of the aspects of that was having to go a bit slower. And, you know, I'm a I'm a embodiment resilience so nervous system acclimatisation is a big part of my my practice and what I teach and my belief system. And so having that integrity also meant that I needed to take the steps that were right for me at the pace that was right for me and do things in in the right way. And so, you know, practically speaking, in terms of what it looks like in my life and my business to have that integrity, I like to work in the area of trauma and so my degree is a mental health degree in counselling because I knew that I wanted to have that qualification that I had a respect for that level of training. So I'm doing my master's in counseling in terms of what it represented for the capacity of safety that I could offer for people who were coming with trauma.
Mira:I hired a clinical psychologist to supervise me. And those things have given me like an embodied integrity and embodied credibility that I believe a 100%. That's not.
Relinde:I love that you, that you say that like, Hey, it is possible because there's, and I think you're really not alone. Like I speak to more people and I can relate to it. Is there's moments you think, oh, but if I really do do I need to almost be someone else, or do I need to go with yeah. How do you say that? Like, be not integral with certain values that I have in order to make my business work, in order to be able to do my job and really make this a full time thing.
Relinde:And, you you don't because you know, you're the living proof of that. That is what you're doing, and that is why also why I believe you get so easily new clients because they just keep referring them to you because you are, you know, you are in you. You're, like, doing what you are meant to do, and you're attracting your mind to be It's really beautiful to see.
Mira:Yeah. It's beautiful to live. And I think you're right. I think it's, it does become the more aligned you become. This is my belief, the more aligned authentic.
Mira:And as you just said in yourself, all of it becomes, it's not a, it's not really a strategy anymore. It's just being you. And then the people that are meant for you will find you. So having your marketing message out there is really important so they can find you because they need you.
Relinde:Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And, when you say that consistent, you say develop the confidence and consistency with content. And and and also that that is really important, and it doesn't matter sometimes how many likes or how many shares we get or how many comments.
Relinde:Is just keep to to keep showing up. I heard you say that. Can you can you talk a little bit more about that? Mhmm. I know that's really important.
Mira:Yes. I know you talk about it a lot, like avoiding vanity metrics and not getting caught up in them. And, you know, you showed me that as well, that it like, it's not, you can still have a thriving business with without being an influencer, you know, without being a social media influencer. And that, again, I think it it circles back to what I just said. So I think that, having the if you stay there with an online presence consistently for long enough, the people who need you will find you.
Relinde:Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's yeah. This just keeps coming up, and I love how you say it's really like disconnecting it from the outcome. Just stay in integrity, stay showing up, and that is what you've done even because we've worked through some issues with Facebook, not being kind to you.
Relinde:That was a big, that was a big moment where there was a lot of resilience needed as an entrepreneur to,
Mira:yes. Yeah. Yes. No. I mean, I'm just kind of marvelling at where I am now and I'd even in this moment forgotten about that, even though when I think about it, it's still got, it still has some charge.
Mira:So, yeah, my, Facebook account business profile, personal profile, and Instagram account were hacked and I couldn't get them back. So I had been, I had followers on there that I'd had for years, people watching my content, because I'd been creating a lot of content previously as well. Just not for any business purposes, just blogging and documenting things and in a particular style. And so, yeah, it was a really, I mean, all of what I've built, really the momentum of it has come with all new accounts. So, you know, with just, like, a few hundred people I was con connected to and the resilience, yes, What we're talking about now is what I just had to practice.
Mira:It's like, oh, I twice actually Instagram got hacked by the way and disappeared and I started again. So, oh, I've got 30 followers daily posts. Oh, there's someone that likes it. Oh, there's probably another 5, 10 people that enjoyed it, but didn't have time to like it. You know?
Mira:That's what, oh, there's one comment. Oh, that one didn't get noticed. Whatever, whatever here I am. Oh, there's, like, 20 followers for some reason. Just loved that one video that 3,000 people watched.
Mira:Oh, and then 0 likes, 1 like, 2 like, like you just learn. I think the consistency, the consistency itself helps you detach from that freaking out about the outcome or making too much of it. I just really believe now, like you said, so even though a lot of my business comes through referrals, I just recently took I love doing challenges, and I just recently was like, right. I'm gonna post a 100 pieces of content in 30 days. I'm just gonna smash it out for this period and increase my resilience and increase that detachment from each piece of content because you've got no time.
Mira:You're gonna you're making 3, 4 pieces of content a day. It's just like, I don't know if anyone liked that one cause I'm busy making the next one. Right. It's like whatever. And 3 inquiries, 3 client inquiries in the 5 days since I started doing that, like, you know, it's just some of them because they were seeing the content and some of them came through the other avenues, but I know that they also were referred to me, went onto my social media, followed me on social media for a couple of days and then messaged me so that, consistency helps you detach.
Mira:And then it also just puts your energy out there. I keep coming back to that, but that's.
Relinde:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not a wonderful one.
Mira:It's not a, oh, I got 15, whatever. Your magic number is a 100 likes on that, and now that's gonna translate to 5 clients, you know, precisely on that one post. No. No. It's your energy out there in the world and your capacity to just keep showing up and being there that will build that trust as well with the right people who who just love you.
Mira:And I know you would have had the experience. You don't even know why. Like, you love okay.
Relinde:Yeah. And it's also like you're showing up, you're showing up. You have not this, you know, you think and that's that resilience, and that's what we work through in general. Like, I remember us working through that within Elevator 5 and all the people that I've worked with. It is moments that you're like, oh, no.
Relinde:It's not going anywhere. And the fears come up. We've talked about this. You you said that really beautifully. You need to have this PhD in uncertainty.
Relinde:Yeah. Because then if you continue, that is when the people all of a sudden come, and you have the, what you say, people reaching out to you and wanting to work. And that is really the point that you are at right now where people are just coming to you and they're the right people.
Mira:And even recently it happened like that, that going through that. So November, I was like, oh my. The numbers are down. And I was like, oh, yes. I I sent I noticed that response to uncertainty.
Mira:What did I do? Show up, show up, show up, show up. And this month, like, full, full, full. You know? The the schedule is full and into January.
Mira:So you, the resilience is so key. 1 month doesn't define your business.
Relinde:Yes. Yes. Wow. Mira, if you if you look back to over a year ago and you're like, I don't know if this is gonna work and can I do it and how is this happening? And then if you look at where you are right now, what would you tell yourself?
Relinde:Oh, back then.
Mira:Go talk to Relinda. Which is what I did, but, in terms of my future self to my past self. Yeah. That that classic keep going. You've got this.
Mira:It will come. Stay there. Keep going. Yeah. And all will be revealed.
Relinde:I love it. I love it. This is the best message ever to all of us. Also, come talk to Belinda. I love that one.
Relinde:And, I just wanna say for anybody watching, if you wanna come talk to me, you can. You feel in a place that you're like, yeah, there's things going and I have clients, but I don't know how to make this sustainable and, and consistent and have people really come to me and feel as confident as Mira is feeling right now. Maybe also gonna do it, leave a job, like whatever it is for you. The doors to the elevator thrive academy are open, and I'm going to pop in a link afterwards in the chats. And in this comments, you can also reach out to me, where you can book a 1 on 1 call with me, and then we talk about it.
Relinde:Like, and I will just really look at you and your business. Where are you at? What is your journey and what do you need next? So that being said, Mira, if people are really interested in what you do, where can they find you?
Mira:I post the most in terms of looking at social media content and kind of the main themes and ideas I post the most on, Facebook and Instagram. So I don't know if you'll put the links or if I should say them. I don't know.
Relinde:I will put let's put the links
Mira:in the
Relinde:in the comments, and I'll make sure, yeah, that that they are in the comments of this, term.
Mira:Yeah. And then also my website, there's a little bit, of material there, but the most recent stuff in terms of getting to know me, and you can always send me a message if you're interested in, like, what are you talking about? And I'm, this is fascinating because interestingly enough, we just did some stuff around money and trauma work, which I can't wait to talk to you more about. So, Yeah, those two places are the easiest place to find.
Relinde:Yeah. Amazing. So, thank you so much for this Mira. Thank you for doing this. I, looking forward to people that wanna know more about ETA, who feel that they are on a similar journey.
Relinde:Thank you so much. Have a beautiful rest of your day. Sending lots of love through the interwebs. Thank you for joining us today on the choosing ease podcast. Remember to subscribe so you never miss an opportunity to connect.
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