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A nostalgic look at classic music, video games, TV and films asking the question: "Does it hold up?"
Each episode features a different host that brings a fresh take on a film, TV show, video game, or music album of their choice. What can we discover? Do old favorites have a shelf life? Will the classics hold up? “The Classic Hold Up” is an AudioVideoLand production by Digital Storytelling students of Michigan State University in collaboration with Impact 89FM.
Welcome to the classic hold up, where we analyze media from the past. Each episode features a different host that brings a fresh take on a film, TV show, video game, or music album of their choice. Do old favorites have a shelf life? Will the classics hold up?
Speaker 2:Hello, and welcome to another episode of the classic hold up podcast. My name is Leah Habarick, and I'll be your host on this episode. I am an undergraduate student at Michigan State University studying digital storytelling and philosophy. I love digital media and learning new things about people, the world, and pretty much anything. Today, we're going to take a look at the movie Star Trek First Contact and determine if the 1996 film holds up.
Speaker 2:So Star Trek First Contact was the second movie to come out of the ending of the series Star Trek The Next Generation. The first movie was a continuation of the finale of the series, but First Contact is a standalone story. So it still contains the cast of the series and it's still stories connected to that, But it's not just a direct continuation from the series itself. It's its own standalone film. The series, Star Trek, The Next Generation, aired from 1987 to 1994.
Speaker 2:And it was an entirely fresh take on the Star Trek universe. It was set about a century further into the future than the original Star Trek series. The series had a new cast, a new ship, but it kinda contained the same heart, adventure, and the strength and characters that people were really drawn to in the original Star Trek series. The Star Trek universe itself, if you're not super familiar with it, it's a space opera, basically. I think that's the best genre to kind of put it in, be space opera.
Speaker 2:It's dramatic. It's speculative science fiction about the way things would be in the future if humans and aliens coexisted and all this other stuff. And it always has a very hopeful look at the future. In the future of the Star Trek universe, humanity has already conquered all these petty issues like war, disease, hunger, and racism. And the goal of the crew and the goal of the series and the show itself is to tell these stories of exploration and learning and seeking out new civilizations and space phenomena.
Speaker 2:And it always has this kind of kind and curious motivation behind it. I've always really thought of it that way. So for this movie that we're looking at today, Star Trek First Contact, the origin of this hopeful future is explored as a central theme. So in this story, a villain group from the Star Trek, the Next Generation series that's known as the Borg, they go back in time during this kind of battle to the day before humans first utilized faster than light travel. So this faster than light travel initiates contact with an alien species for the first time.
Speaker 2:First contact. Can you believe it? So if the Borg succeed in conquering humanity and at least stopping this initial flight, this faster than light speed test, then humanity will not have contact with aliens in the way that they are at least like supposed to in this timeline. And basically, the Borg can conquer all of humanity and this like really hopeful future where all the like hunger and war and, and all these issues that humanity conquers because of their contact with aliens and their technological advancement, all of that is gonna be for naught And everybody's gonna be assimilated. Everybody's gonna be a Borg.
Speaker 2:So it makes the stakes of this film really high because it's not only that the crew of the Enterprise that people might know from the series or maybe just are meeting for in this film for the first time. It's not just that crew that we're rooting for and we're worried about, like, dying, basically. It's all of humanity is gonna be screwed up forever. So that's another aspect of the film. As far as my personal experience with the content that we're gonna be talking about today, my parents, but mostly my dad, really indoctrinated me into a love of all things nerdy and especially eighties nerdy.
Speaker 2:So naturally, I grew up on a lot of cheesy sci fi stuff, Star Wars, Star Trek, just all sorts of like fantasy and sci fi, like books and stuff that he always had around. So I used to watch Star Trek, The Next Generation a lot as a kid back when it was all on Netflix. As of time of recording, it's on Paramount plus I should probably get it on physical media. But when I was home sick from school, back in the day, I'd curl up on the couch and I would binge Star Trek The Next Generation just all day long. It was kind of a a huge comfort show for me.
Speaker 2:And I really do have a strong attachment to the character Data. He was and still is very relatable to me. He's a cybernetic organism, so he's basically an android. He was created to be like a human, but he'll never quite get there. And he's just, you know, he's just a guy and his brain works differently from everybody else.
Speaker 2:And he's a little socially inept, but he's desperate to learn all about humanity and to be as human as he can and learn about social cues and things like that. And I think that if I was a little bit more self aware back in the day about how much that hits home for me, I would have realized some truths about how my brain works a whole lot earlier in life. But c'est la vie. I really chose this movie, First Contact, because I had never seen any of the Star Trek movies before. I'd only really watched a lot of Star Trek The Next Generation and Voyager.
Speaker 2:Those were kind of my two main shows that I love to watch, but I've never seen any of the movies. So I really wanted to take a look at this one, basically compare it to my experience with the show and maybe my more nostalgic view of things and really see how the movie holds up. So, yeah, I think it's I think it's time to get into it. And welcome, Izzy Szymciewicz. Izzy, say hi.
Speaker 2:Hi. Hi, Izzy. We're going to talk a little bit about like your personal experience with the content. I know this is the first time you saw this movie, but if you can speak on just kind of in general, those kinds of topics.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Don't really Sci fi is not necessarily my jam. Like, it's not not my jam, but it's just like, I don't I don't seek it out necessarily. So I've had like a little bit of experience with it. You know, I have friends who are kind of into it.
Speaker 3:So I do have some realm of like knowledge of it. Like I knew some of the characters and stuff. But like other than that, it was pretty new to me. Like I know I was asking you a lot of questions while we're watching because I'm like, what's this? Who's this?
Speaker 3:All that kind of stuff. Like, I knew some of the bigger characters. But then some of them, I was like, I've literally never heard of this person before.
Speaker 2:And we will talk about some of that as we go forward about, like, how accessible is this for somebody that hasn't watched Star Trek or The Next Generation specifically. So to begin, we're going to talk a little bit about how the content was kind of viewed on release. And I can speak to some of the, you know, light research I did is that the perception was very positive on release. People really loved it. It won some Saturn awards.
Speaker 2:Roger Ebert, who's like a big film critic guy, considered it one of the best Star Trek films and really praised its like special effects. He really liked the new designs for the Borg. The reception of people at the time thought it was a really successful transition from the TV medium into a, like, a big budget kind of blockbuster action sci fi movie. Even watching it now, I feel like a lot
Speaker 3:of that, like, praise holds up. Like, the special effects I thought were really good for being an older movie. Overall. Like, I thought it was a good movie. Like, it was entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3:We had a lot of fun watching it, and I thought it just was really well done. Like, the acting, like I said, the special effects, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. So definitely the special effects for the time, at least from my point of view, I've always thought Star Trek has had awesome special effects. When it comes to looking back in the present moment, I of course, I looked at Reddit because that's of course. Of course.
Speaker 2:You have to look at Reddit because that's what that's the people. That's the the people. What do the people think? Of course, they have a lot of negative negative or otherwise interesting takes. Although, there's a lot of very positives, so let me not get ahead of myself.
Speaker 2:A lot of, I think, the reception of viewers in the present seem to think that some of the characters weren't very faithful, especially Captain Picard's character. He who you kept calling professor x, I think, which is excellent. That he was, like, very emotional, very vengeful, which were themes in the movie that people just thought that this wasn't, like, his character. Like, he wouldn't do those things based on the TV show, which I thought was an interesting take. I don't have a very specific, like, yeah, he would or no, he wouldn't.
Speaker 2:But I definitely saw that those themes in the movie were the themes of the movie. So it's like, it didn't come out of nowhere. It felt relevant to the plot. It felt relevant to the script and, like, what they were trying to say. But, yeah, I can understand that criticism.
Speaker 2:Another kind of criticism that I've seen a lot is it doesn't really capture the, like, heart of Star Trek, which is kind of more optimistic and also philosophical in nature. I'd have to disagree with some of the, like, criticism about the philosophical core of Star Trek, especially in this character, Zefram Cochrane, who's this guy that created warp speed. You have all these people from the future coming back to tell you how amazing you are and what a legend you are and like all this, like, hero worship stuff. And he's like, I'm just a guy. And also, I'm a drunk and a loser.
Speaker 2:And this is crazy. So I think that's pretty philosophical and interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, like, I agree with you. I think that it was it was interesting to see, like, that take on the character, I guess. Because with the I guess, like, the main cast of the Star Trek film, they're all very similar in the sense that, like, they're all working towards one goal. You know?
Speaker 3:They all kind of have this shared thing. And to get this, like, new character perspective of this guy who literally is just like, yeah, I did this thing for money and that's it was super interesting. And like you said, like, he's just a normal guy. And he's like, I did this thing because I was I'm smart, I can do this, and I wanted to get paid the big bucks. And to have them be like, you're a hero, you're amazing, your legacy is crazy and we learn about you in school is kind of wild.
Speaker 3:It is kind of philosophical because it's like you never know the larger impact that could have on other people, you know. Like, not specifically about that, but about what you're talking about earlier regarding Professor Xavier being out of character. I don't know. I feel like I felt like he was portrayed as like this very loyal character from what I do know about Star Trek that seems pretty accurate. I felt like in this movie, and I know this was something that we kind of talked about while we were watching the movie is like the way that he just like very was very quick to just like use whatever that ray gun thing was and kind of like kill his crewmates and stuff.
Speaker 3:And I know we talked about too like the discrepancy of, like, oh, he was, like, oh, I was captured by the Borg and they put an implant in me, but then now he's fine. You know, like, he was able to get out of that, but he was, oh, the crew members who get, you know, captured by the Borg, they're just they're gone. There's no way to save them. And it was just I don't know. I just thought that was, like, an interesting, like, discrepancy.
Speaker 3:So I do kind of maybe see what they were saying a little bit about him being out of character. Maybe not in the way that you were explaining that people were saying, but in that sense of, like, I feel like he's portrayed as this very loyal character, and we didn't really see much of that in the film.
Speaker 2:That is so interesting. I'm so glad you brought it up because in the context of this film, there is there was an episode or episodes in the TV series where Captain Picard was taken over by
Speaker 3:the
Speaker 2:Borg. He got all Borgified or whatever you would call it. He was made a part of the Borg collective. He was in the Borg. And they got him back and they saved him and they fixed him and they made him human again.
Speaker 2:And yet in this film, they use that as like, yeah, I was part of the Borg once. They say that. They're like, I was part of the Borg once and I was saved. Picard says that. Yet he's killing all these people that become part of the Borg.
Speaker 2:And he's like, there's no way to save them. So if we hadn't clearly, since you hadn't seen that those previous episodes, it seems crazy because all the context you get for that is, yeah, I was saved, but we can't save these people. And there's no further explanation. So possibly, if we go back and watch those episodes, it's like more understandable. Like maybe they used the last phoenix egg or whatever it is to say that obviously that's a joke.
Speaker 2:Maybe there's more context there, but it wasn't expressed in the film. And I think that that's a clear kind of like, what is that about? Like, a clear criticism, like, for sure. Just kind of how it's still viewed. I do want to say, like, I saw online that Star Trek First Contact was often ranked either first or second when people are ranking Star Trek films.
Speaker 2:They love this movie. So that's awesome. And on Rotten Tomatoes, it has a 93% critic score and an 89% audience score. So people in the present that are doing Rotten Tomatoes love this movie. So in general, it does have pretty positive, I would say, reception now.
Speaker 2:So other stuff, looking back upon it, you're like, oh, that's a relic of the past. Was there any kind of moments of that for you where you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3:this is old? Yeah. There were things that, like, stood out to me as like, oh, that's odd or whatever. But it was never, like, oh, that's, like, just out completely outdated. You know?
Speaker 3:Like, there are other things that I noticed that I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. But, again, like I said, nothing was really, like, I guess, outdated. Like, I feel like other than the fact that it, like, looked like an old movie, I guess, like, in the sense that, like, just the camera quality and all that kind of stuff, like, it looked kinda old. Other than that, I feel like if you put this in front of me in the year 2025 and didn't tell me when it was from and were able like, you were able to make the camera quality a bit better. I feel like I would just assume it was from a, like, a recent year, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I do kind of agree with that. I think that it's definitely very clearly like, you can tell because of the camera quality and other things. But the way that people talk to each other didn't feel very dated. Like, all the dialogue felt very natural. I mean, not really because they're like from the far future, but that kind of helps.
Speaker 2:Right? It like helps the longevity of a piece when it's set in like the far future because it's like, well, this will be relevant until then. Specifically in this movie, it is that they go back in time from the far future into our, in real life, future. So it is some funny time business where they're from the far future and they go back in time to our future. And they're like, wow, we're so far back in time.
Speaker 2:But it's the future for us. Thinking to, like, towards the future and how, like, the content will be perceived in the future, there is a very specific day for this film, a very specific moment and date that's very important to this film, very similar to Back to the Future, how it was 10/21/2015. Like, that's when they were going into the future, like, so far into the future is 2015, which is so far in the past now, and I feel very old. But I remember as a kid that being a huge deal. Like, everybody was talking about it.
Speaker 2:Everybody's like, oh my god, it's back to the future day. This is when they thought we would have flying cars and stuff. That date for this movie is the day of First Contact, and that date is 04/05/2063, which is thirty eight years in the future from now, time of recording, and sixty seven years in the future from the time the movie was released, which is, I would say, like, pretty darn far in the future. In the context of the film, it's like post World War three and all this stuff. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 2:I know that I, at least I put a thing in my Google calendar for 04/05/2063. So in thirty eight years, I will know, hey, it's first contact day. Do you think that people are going to be about it like they were about Back to the Future?
Speaker 3:Yeah. I think Star Trek fans are nerds. I know a lot of Star Trek fans, so I think they're very into Star Trek. So I think that that definitely is a date that people are, like, have in their calendars, like you said. So
Speaker 2:Excellent. So, we're about to hit some Q and A, and then finally reveal our verdict about whether or not this holds up after this short break.
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Speaker 2:Alright. Welcome back from that brief break intermission. I'm here still with my beautiful guest, Izzy Sinsevich. Hi. And now we're gonna talk a little bit about some questions that I got, concerning Star Trek First Contact.
Speaker 2:Just some things that people were wondering that might inform our final decision about whether or not it holds up. For one, like a big one was how faithful is it to the TV show? And we already talked about this a little bit, but there was some more that I wanted to add on to this. Something that just really weirded me out is that they put everybody in gray sweaters. So in the show, they're just they're wearing very brightly colored outfits.
Speaker 2:There's blue, yellow, red. Right? Like, jackets. And they have these, like, little symbols to show, like, what rank they are, the little circles on their, like, lapels. And so everybody still had those on.
Speaker 2:But on top of them, they all had gray sweaters. And I don't know why, but it threw me off so much. I'm like, what was this choice about? Just to make it more serious, I guess? But it didn't work for me in making the tone more serious.
Speaker 2:I was just kinda like, why is everybody in sweaters? Yeah. We did spend a lot
Speaker 3:of time talking about their outfits. Well, also because they were complaining about how hot it was in the ship. Yes. And they turned up the temperature. And then they were like, oh my god.
Speaker 3:It's so hot. Like, something must be wrong because it's so hot on the ship. Like, something has got to be awry because why would it ever be this hot on the ship? And then they all are, like, wearing these long sleeve sweater things. It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3:And that that part also got us talking about uniforms and then talking about the gray stuff. And then you showed me, you were like, this is what they usually wear, which even though I'm not a big Star Trek person, I did know that. Like, I have seen pictures of these people, which is how I knew some of the characters. And I'm like, oh, you know, like, I know that that's Captain Picard, you know, like, even though I've never seen, like, this show hardcore like, I've never watched it, like, on my own. I've never, like, indulged in the movies.
Speaker 3:Like, I know some of these characters from, like, the fact that their uniforms and the way that they look are very specific.
Speaker 2:And so, like, seeing that
Speaker 3:change was kind of strange.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It was it was really weird. In terms of, like, any casting changes, no, not really. They had a kind of a new character that was introduced for this film. His name was Hawk.
Speaker 2:And apparently, this is very interesting. He was written to be the first openly gay character, and then they scrubbed that. So that's sad. A sign of the times. But he is kind of introduced in this movie and then becomes a Borg and dies in this movie.
Speaker 2:So I guess that's not really a casting change, but it is just the introduction of a new character. Everybody else was the same. Everybody else was faithful to the show.
Speaker 3:Okay. Another question I got is what is a Borg? Yeah. Let's make everyone Borg because like, like once you make everyone a Borg person, what does that do? You know, like, then it's like, what's the point?
Speaker 3:I guess what's the point of that kind of quest? Like, don't understand their motivations, where they come from, what exactly, like, what the genetic, I guess, makeup of a Borg is. That stuff is kind of all up in the air. But I think it was enough of an understanding to be like, okay, you know, I might not get the background of the Borg, but I understand a little bit about them enough to enough for it to, like, make the movie make sense. You know, like, there's there wasn't a lot of times where I was like, oh, this aspect of the Borg is super confusing, and therefore, the movie is super confusing.
Speaker 2:Something really interesting is that the Borg Queen is a character that was made for this movie. There is no Borg Queen in the original show, and it honestly kind of goes against what the Borg are. They're supposed to be a hive mind. So I guess, like, hive, you know, sometimes there's a queen in that kind of structure. When it comes to the Borg, they're supposed to be all the same, all a mixture of organic and inorganic.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, they're they're kind of their whole vibe and motivation is like, everybody should be bored because we are the best, which is kind of a theme in sci fi. Like, if you think about the Daleks and Doctor Who or like other kind of just conquering type people in sci fi that are like, no, we're the best, so everybody has to become us or die. So that's kind of their whole thing. So it is kind of weird that the Borg Queen is introduced because it kind of goes against what the Borg are because they're all supposed to be at the same level, like equal and better. And I see why they introduced her as a character.
Speaker 2:They needed a main act antagonist, like, kind of a final boss. So yeah. And also it let Data be kind of it let Data have a love interest question mark. Not really. But there was some crazy sexual tension between Data and Borg Queen.
Speaker 2:It is implied that they have sex, which is kind of crazy. And we see a lot of the Borg Queen toying with Data in very overtly sexual ways. It is barely disguised like innuendo. It is pretty much overtly sexual. They do make out, and we see that.
Speaker 2:We don't see them have sex, but it is implied. And that's kinda crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Lot of sexual tension in that movie for no reason. Yeah. Really. For no reason.
Speaker 3:It felt very out of place.
Speaker 2:And I have to say, that is faithful. That is faithful to the TV show. There's a lot of crazy sexual tension all the time for, frankly, no reason. So so valid critique. Again, pretty faithful.
Speaker 2:So now I think it's time for us to come to our conclusion and at least discuss whether or
Speaker 3:not we think it holds up. I think, like, we already kinda talked about the the ways in which it doesn't hold up, you know, like, not having that context of the show if this movie came out in 2025. Like I said, special effects and stuff could definitely be improved. They were good for sure. But also, like, we definitely have different standards for, like, what is good special effects now versus what was good special effects then.
Speaker 3:But I think, like, my overall take is that I think it would hold up. Even without the context, even with, like, you know, maybe less quality special effects, I think that, like, overall, it's just a fun kind of funny film. You know, you might not get every single reference. You might not understand every single character. But I think even with that lack of understanding, it's still just like a good time.
Speaker 3:We laughed a lot through it and, like, it was just, like, fun to watch.
Speaker 2:Now, do you think do you think we were laughing at it or laughing with it? That's a really good question.
Speaker 3:Because I feel like at times it was both. I feel like I feel like there were times where it's like we were definitely meant to be laughing at that. Like, there were definitely times where I'm like, that was goofy on purpose. But then there were times like what we were talking about with the sexual tension when we were just we were, like, giggling because we're like, what is going on? You know, we were, like, confused.
Speaker 3:And so we were I felt like that like, points like that, we were kind of laughing at it.
Speaker 2:I think we were both just very uncomfortable. That is true. Yeah. At, like, the sexual tension and overt sexuality of the Borg Queen and our baby boy, Data, who we both adore and So is our baby I think in that sense, we were uncomfortable, and that's why we were laughing.
Speaker 3:Felt like he was kinda taken advantage
Speaker 2:of. Yeah. So It really did. It was unfortunate.
Speaker 3:Literally had no choice. He was literally what? He was, like, pinned down to the table because he's, like, his wrist and I think his legs were cuffed. Yeah. And they were, like, actively grafting skin, and he couldn't move.
Speaker 3:Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like, low key messed up. I know. That's my baby boy. It's our baby boy. Anyway.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. So I definitely agree. I think we were laughing at it and we were laughing with it. And when it comes to does it hold up?
Speaker 2:This is a really tricky question for me because I think that it is so charming. I'm in love with The Next Generation because of, like, the camp and the charm and like the vibes. And it's just so specific. It's a curated vibe that I find very cozy, even though it's very like sci fi and scary. It's very cozy for me because of like these characters that I love and everything else.
Speaker 2:I definitely think that part of that charm is the era that it was in. In that sense, I don't think it holds up because I think you kind of have to view it as like, yeah, there's some goofy moments and there's some weird stuff going on that's going to make you, like, laugh at it. And I think that comes from it being a product of the time. But that doesn't mean that it's not, like, in that sense, it doesn't hold up. But in all the other senses of like, is it a blast?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So much fun. So, like, entertaining. Just truly so entertaining. The b plots and the c plots were entertaining.
Speaker 2:They had fun references to stuff for fans that I really enjoyed and I thought was really fun. They created kind of new concepts and and, like, new storylines that I thought were super fun. So in that sense of, like, is this a solid sci fi movie that's just fun and funny and entertaining and, you know, a little bit not just pure fun. Like, obviously, there was stakes. It was good.
Speaker 2:Like, I I thought it was really good. I thought it was a really good movie. So in that sense, I think it really does hold.
Speaker 3:Kind of like what you're saying about Charm. It's one of those movies where it's like it I I think it had a really, like, very stable plot and everything like that. But, like, there are just some movies that it's just they don't always have to be so taken so seriously. If you don't watch it for, like, the specific details, you don't I don't wanna say you don't miss much because, like, obviously, some of that stuff is important. But, like, if you're, like, not in it for the plot and you're just like, I'm just, you know, I wanna see some of the action.
Speaker 3:I wanna see, like, just like, wanna put something on just to have something on. Like, I feel like it'd be a really good movie for that. I feel like that, like, holds for any time, you know. Like, I feel like there are a lot of movies that are kind of similar to that where it's like, you don't necessarily go to it for, like, this very, like, rigid, very, like, structured plotline. You don't go to it for, like, if you're looking for a movie that's very, like, like, well put together.
Speaker 3:Like, I'm thinking, like It's not a think piece. Yeah. Like, that's what I'm thinking. Like, it's not like a like, it it is slightly philosophical as we were talking about. But it's not something where, like, it's supposed to make you think and, like, consider life and stuff.
Speaker 3:Like, if you're going for a movie that's super philosophical and you, like, wanna consider your life choices afterwards, don't go see this movie. Like, there are movies for that, but it's not one of them and that's okay. So I feel like even though it's an older movie, that kind of, I guess, relationship that you can have with the movie can be consistent regardless of the time period.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. You get out of it what you wanna get out of it. Right. Like, you can sit there and, like, scrutinize and be like, wow, that's a really interesting thought about, like, what things will be like in the future. Like, all this stuff with Zephyrin Cochran, like, how will you what is your legacy?
Speaker 2:And so, like, there are elements of that, but it also is like elements. It's not the point. It's the the point is it's a fun action movie that you can put on and have a great time. Alright. That being said, I think it's verdict time.
Speaker 2:Oh, verdict time. My verdict? I think it holds up. I think it totally holds up. I think that anybody can enjoy it today.
Speaker 2:And evidenced by you enjoying it, being a Star Trek fan, I think even non Star Trek fans can still get something positive out of it. So that's my take.
Speaker 3:I mean, I basically completely agree with you. Like, I think it holds up absolutely. And like you said, like, I mean, I enjoyed it. I have no Star Trek knowledge. I knew who Data was.
Speaker 3:I knew who Professor Xavier, a k a captain Picard was. You know, like, I knew some of the characters. And I still, like, had really, like, a lot of fun watching it. You know? Like, it was just it was fun to, like, put on.
Speaker 3:You know? So I think, like, it can hold up regardless of your, like, knowledge. And if you are into Star Trek, like, if you do know a lot about it, like you were saying, there are some fun references and stuff for people who are fans of it. And, like, if you're really into the lore of it, like, I think it can be a good movie for that too. And so, like, it's got a lot of range, I guess.
Speaker 3:And I think, like, that is, like, what you want in a movie that would, like, hold up today, I guess.
Speaker 2:Alright. Thank you so much, Izzy Simsevich, for being my wonderful guest. I've been Leah Habrick, and thank you for listening to the classic holdup.
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