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Hosted by Anton Rieke, Ladylike is a podcast born from one dad’s mission to raise his daughter with role models who lead with heart, grit, and grace. In each episode, Anton spends time learning from a remarkable woman, sitting down for a deep conversation about her journey.
From bakers to business owners, athletes to artists, these women are rewriting the rules of what it means to be strong, skilled, and “ladylike.” Episodes end with a letter to Anton’s daughter, Drew, reflecting on the lessons learned from each guest.
If you want a podcast that blends humor, heart, and hard truths, Ladylike invites you to listen in and leave inspired.
What is up, y'all? It's Anton with Ladylike. I'm very excited to be here for the first episode. Wanted to start out with a couple announcements. If you're listening on Spotify, you can see some additional content on YouTube.
Anton:That'll be at lady like dad the dad podcast, I think, on YouTube. But on YouTube, you'll see me feeding Malachi through his g tube. I guess I was actually giving him his medicine through his g tube, but that was pretty interesting. I'd never done that before, and Katie and I did that to kick off the episode. So you can go over there and watch that.
Anton:Additionally, you might notice my hat if you are watching visually. This isn't for sale yet, maybe in the future, but I guess let me know if you want that type of thing. I think it's pretty awesome. This episode was incredible to shoot. I love spending time with Katie Rose, and we talked a lot about her job as a clinical psychologist, mental health in teenagers and adults, DBT therapy.
Anton:We talked about foster care and raising kids that have disabilities and everything in between. Katie's incredible. She's part of the reason I became a foster parent in the first place, which was a huge impact on my life and something that I cherish very deeply. It's an honor to put this episode out to you guys. I really hope that you fall in love with her.
Anton:I think I'm just gonna go right into the episode. See you guys later. Hey, guys. Welcome to Ladylike. I'm here today with doctor Katie Rose, doctor of psychology.
Anton:She's a foster mother, adoptive mother, and a great friend. I wanted to sit with Katie because she is someone that I would definitely want my daughter to grow up into and a great role model for myself and for her. So I wanted to kinda kick it to Katie and let you kind of explain what you do work wise, and then we'll go into some more questions from there.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. Great. I'm glad to be here. Yeah. For work, I'm a licensed psychologist, so I practice clinical psychology, and I have a couple of different jobs.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I, right now, work full time for juvenile probation department.
Anton:Oh.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So I oversee the assessment services team at juvenile probation, which I can share about that if you want.
Anton:Yeah. I'm curious.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Assessment services for probation. So probation here, has a huge team of mental health providers. A lot of counties will outsource psychologists, and come in, they do contract work. But our county has a pretty big team of psychologists. So, basically, when kids come into the system, if they're displaying any mental health issues on some screeners that we do, then they might be ordered to have court ordered to have a psychological evaluation Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Or a mental health assessment. And so our team goes and does those assessments. And, basically, what we're looking at is, is there a mental health need that's underlying the criminal needs? And so if we then can treat the mental health need, will we see the criminal behavior go down? So I oversee the team of masters level clinicians, doctor level clinicians that do those court ordered assessments.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then I also operate as the suicide prevention authority for the department. So, basically, any kids in our residential program or our detention, so any kids that are housed there Mhmm. I'm in charge of their safety as it pertains to suicide risk.
Anton:Woah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So
Anton:Do you get do you have to be on call for that?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Is it I'm on call 247.
Anton:Oh, man. That is tough. And so when you get called Mhmm. And your suicide provision prevention, are you, like, ordering restraints? Or, like, what are you normally doing when
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):you called? So normally when they call so it's the officers that call probation officers, like, who are a lot of calls I get is from intake. So when they're processing kids in, and so that's the most most of the time when I get those calls, and a lot of the times those calls are late at night cause kids they're picking up kids Off the street. Typically, kids are doing things they aren't supposed to be doing late at and so there's a screening tool that they do for all kids coming in to screen for a variety of mental health issues. And so on that screener, oftentimes, the suicide items are elevated.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so they will call me. They tell me kinda what was elevated. They tell me what the kid is doing. And then I will ask, this an array of questions to determine if I think that they're at risk of suicide or not. And so then if I think they're at risk, then I'll put them on certain precautions.
Anton:That is interesting. I didn't know that. I thought that you're doing the the forensic side, like, the jail side, and then I didn't know. And then I was looking up, and then I saw your practice. Mhmm.
Anton:Do you also do that at the same time, like, the private practice and do that?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. Yeah. So I started my private practice actually right after postdoc. My postdoc work, I was in Dallas. I was working at a children's hospital.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then I didn't have a job lined up, but I had clients that I had been seeing. And so I started private practice so I could keep seeing those clients, but I do a very specific kind of therapy. I probably see, like, five clients a week Cool. And maintain that on the side. But I'm actually starting a new
Anton:job. Woah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So and it is official enough that I think I could talk about on the podcast. So yeah. So I'm going to be, closing down the private practice
Anton:Okay.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then dropping down to part time at probation Woah. And just took on a job in the emergency department at our local children's hospital.
Anton:Woah. What are you doing in the I guess, psych assessments on the emergency, like a CL type thing?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. So, basically, the problem that I am coming in to solve is that kids that are suicidal can come into the emergency room, and then they can kind of get stuck in the emergency room while they're waiting for beds. Mhmm. And so they can actually be in the emergency department
Anton:Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):For, like, up to, like, six days
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Which the emergency department is not designed for kids to be there longer than Mhmm. A couple of hours or a day. And so the idea would be is that I would provide some more assessment to see do they really need to be hospitalized and just like another let like, set of eyes on kids to see could we safely get them home Mhmm. Instead of hospitalized. And with that, also doing some parent coaching because a lot of suicide prevention is training up the adults that are in charge of supervision.
Anton:Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so a lot of parents just don't know what to do. And so part of my role will be, can I coach parents in what they need to do to confidently and safely take their kids home rather than waiting for that bed? My goal is gonna be really to recommend hospitalization for the kids that absolutely need it and try to get the kids home and with some and giving them some tools, to take home with them and then setting them up with sessions in the community, for the kind of therapy that I do that is, like, the gold standard of treatment for suicide. So the kind of therapy I practice is called dialectical behavior therapy. And so the long term goal would be that we would have that clinic at the hospital, the outpatient clinic, that when they come into the ED, we would be able to refer them and get them set up right away.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):At the onset, because it's just gonna be me, I what we're gonna offer is some, like, bridge sessions so that they I I could have, like, a half day slot
Anton:Cool.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And see them in the community for a couple of sessions to get them stabilized and then hopefully connect them with the DBT partners that are in the community.
Anton:That is really cool. Can you explain to the listeners what DBT is Yeah. For those that aren't familiar and and how that operates?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):It falls under the umbrella of cognitive behavioral therapy. So most people have heard of CBT. Yeah. Most people going to therapy, the therapist will say, like, they've been trained in CBT. Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so DBT, dialectical behavior therapy, is this a very specialized treatment for people that really struggle with emotional and behavioral dysregulation.
Anton:Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so oftentimes that results in, suicidal behavior, self injurious behaviors, life threatening, or really risky kind of behaviors, substance use. So it's when you have a real inability to regulate emotions, and then you're using a behavior to regulate. So I am so ashamed, that I want to kill myself, so then I use suicide to get my shame to come back down, or I cut to bring shame back down. And so DBT really targets the emotions and really understanding emotions. Whereas in CBT, CBT, like, gets at emotions too, but there's, like, more emphasis on cognitions and thoughts.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And in DBT, we address thoughts, behaviors, and emotions, so kind of the whole system. But it's largely for people that really struggle with, like, a very high sensitivity to emotions.
Anton:But obviously, DBT can be very helpful, especially for teens that I mean, your frontal lobe isn't developed. I know when my frontal lobe wasn't developed, I was a different person. Uh-huh. And so I'm just curious, like, what made you go after that modality when you were getting through your education? I mean, that's a pretty
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:Intense direction. Yeah. So what made you go that path?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I would say I've always been interested in kind of the highest risk populations, the people that other people don't want to treat. I like doing things that are different and hard, and I just think that to be a DBT therapist, you have to practice the principles yourself.
Anton:I was gonna ask that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so DBT is just, like, infused in my life, Like, how I parent, how I am with my friends, like, the validation strategies, the emotion regulation strategies. Like, it's just more direct, and I am a pretty direct person. Yeah. And I it's a very active treatment. And so, like, you really see results.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so that's the other reason why I love it and what gravitated me towards it is that a lot of people can go to therapy for years, and they're just going and going. And, like, I will tell people, like, if you have gone to therapy for more than six months and you are not seeing any of the results that you wanted to see, it's not like you're probably not doing much. Yeah. And the therapist should be, what do you wanna work on? What are your goal like, and and more goal driven.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so I think there's a lot of therapy out there that you don't see any progress. And I think the patient is like, well, I guess this is just what it's supposed to be. Yeah. And in DBT, like, it it's really high stakes. Like, we're trying to help people, not only not die, but to create a life that they wanna be alive for.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yep. And so when you many of my patients have been chronically hospitalized until they get into DBT, and we start DBT and, like, we might not see another suicide attempt ever again. It works, and not a lot of therapies
Anton:Work. Work. It's the truth. Yeah. Do you feel like teenagers nowadays I know you said you do adults as well, but do you feel like teenagers nowadays are more receptive to counseling and being involved in mental health?
Anton:Because I feel like there's more awareness. I don't know if that's something you've perceived or not. I'm just curious.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):What they are willing to work on can sometimes reach out. So I think they are fine with the idea of coming. Uh-huh. So that's not usually a hard sell. It's actually then engaging in the practice outside of sessions.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I'm also seeing and I've seen this pretty much my whole career with the type of clients that usually come to DBT is that people and adolescents largely wear and I I think I've seen this shift culturally, but, like, really wear their mental health as an identity, and a way that connects them to other people with mental health issues. And then what we're trying to do is strip that identity. So we're not trying to invalidate a mental health diagnosis, but when your diagnosis is your identity or when your identity is I am someone that cuts. And I've made friends with people that cut in the hospital, and this is what we talk about. It can be very hard Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):To then be a person that doesn't cut. And so that's, like, a tricky balance of, like, how do we strip this part of your identity and create an identity that is actually healthy. And how do you connect with people without bonding over mental illness? They don't we don't need to be best friends with all like, and all have the same issues. And so
Anton:Totally.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Feel like that has been a little bit different. Adults also, I think, are really ready to dive in and do the work, whereas teens, again, they're willing to come. Yeah. But when we actually are asking them to do some of the hard steps, like, I I think they can be little more resistant. And that's definitely different.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):My teen's in probation. Right. So I did start we started a DVT clinic for our kids, in probation. It's for our mental health court. So for our kids that are in the community, we have a DBT program, which I'm really proud of because our kids, wouldn't have had access to DBT because of their financial situation.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Typically, we see lower SES, and marginalized people groups in detention or in probation. So we were able to start a clinic, for those kids. Middle and upper class white children are very comfortable coming to therapy. That's part of their upbringing. They're like, it's so I do think we see kids of color have more hesitation.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):There's more stigma around going to therapy. Totally. And and that's predominantly the kids that we see in probation. So it's been working well, but they're they're definitely harder to get buy in than kids in private practice.
Anton:With the prevalence of mental health right now in teenagers, what are some conversations and tools that parents should be using?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):What I recommend to parents is not being afraid to ask about it, especially if you're seeing any signs of depression. I think one of the biggest myths that people have is that if I ask about it, it's gonna give someone the idea. And, like, we just we there's just no evidence that that happens. Yeah. Now you don't need to go into detail and, like, what have you thought about this?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Have you thought about that? But I think just saying, like, hey. Like, you have seemed down lately. Mhmm. Have you ever thought about hurting yourself?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I think having that conversation when someone is younger and that being a normal part of conversations, or I I could e even see parents having conversation of there are some kids that think about hurting themselves. Have you ever thought about that? Mhmm. And then really what's important is your reaction to their answer. So if it's like, no, I've never thought about that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, I wanna be a place that if you do ever think about that because it it is a common thought. Like, it's not uncommon to have that thought, and just know that I'm always here Mhmm. To talk to you about it or to get you help if that's something that you are thinking about. And if they say they are thinking about, like, we really just wanna make sure we're not freaking out.
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so it's like just like, you don't wanna meet it with too much attention, but you don't wanna meet it with too little attention. You really just like, hey. Thank you so much for telling me. Because you don't want to freak them out, but you also like, if you're a parent that doesn't give much attention for other things and then you gave a lot of attention for that, then that's sometimes where we can see the, oh, mom doesn't pay attention to me or listen to me when I'm sad. But if I say that I wanna die, then she is, like, swooping in.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so we wanna like, I think really being attentive to when our kids are talking about their emotions and making emotions, like, safe to talk about, then that's where I would start. I also know there's a lot there's a lot of talk, and maybe it's just in my feeds because of what I do. But a lot of talk about, like, oh, gentle parenting is just validating every everything a kid goes through. And when I'm talking about validating emotions, like, you're we can validate what is valid. Someone's emotions are always valid because they are their emotions.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):It doesn't but we're not gonna validate their behavior. So if a kid says, I'm so depressed today. I can't go to school. I can validate their emotion. I I see you are really sad.
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):That makes sense that you are sad because you told me. Yeah. And we have to go to school today. Mhmm. So that like, I think in gentle parenting, it might be and I don't know much about gentle parenting because I'm definitely not one.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But I think it it's this thought of, like, oh, we're we're validating our kids' feelings too much, and sometimes their feelings aren't valid. When we say when a kid says, I'm hungry
Anton:Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And their parent says, you you can't be hungry. You just ate. Mhmm. It's way simpler and way more validating to say, hey. I get that you're hungry.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):We will have dinner in an hour. Mhmm. So you don't have to give them like, just because they said they're hungry, you don't have to, like, meet the behavioral need. Yeah. And you can still acknowledge because you do not we do not know what someone else's internal experience is.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So if it's your internal experience, you can and, basically, validation just means acknowledging that it's true for the person.
Anton:Totally.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):The biggest thing I teach parents, because a lot of DBT is parent coaching, is validation strategies. Because what we see is kids that have and adults have emotion dysregulation. It's because they've had kind of chronic invalidation from very young ages.
Anton:Wow.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Basically, and not mean parents or anything, but just parents that don't understand the level of emotion Yeah. That their kid is experiencing because their kid probably is experiencing bigger emotions. And so
Anton:Kinda shifting gears here a little bit. You know, you mentioned earlier that you like to do the hard thing.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:And when we first met, the way we met is I attended the foster care info session at your house. Yep. I was just curious what what made you wanna do that in the first place? What made you wanna be a foster care kind of advocate and also starting to lead those info sessions?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I felt like what led me into foster care isn't anything super glamorous. I am a follower of Jesus.
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I believe Jesus calls us, to live sacrificially and to care for the least of these. And I, had always wanted kids, but I'm single, and felt like
Anton:Hey. Shout out to the man out there, doctor Rose. I'm just kidding. Thank you.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I I would really appreciate a husband because parenting is hard by yourself. Yeah. But I I didn't know that before. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So, yeah, I think I was just like, I'm in a I have financial stability. Mhmm. I can pay I I'm confident that I could be a good mom, and there are kids that need homes. My family my dad's always been passionate about adoption. My youngest brother is adopted.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So it's been, like, a part of our family. I actually did not go into it with the intention of adopting. I didn't think I wanted to adopt, but I really wanted to help in the foster care space. And I I felt I would be good at it in the same way that I'm good at my job. Like, I think a lot of foster parents don't wanna do it because they would they're, like, too worried about what it looks like to give a kid back.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I just was like, I feel like I could care for a kid and really help champion reunification and and supporting their family. And so it wasn't some, like, miraculous calling. Like, I think some people get a direct calling about things, but I I feel like as followers of Jesus Mhmm. We are all called to take part in caring for the least of these, the orphans, the widows. And so I I think that, really, you have to have a pretty good reason not to do it.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. Then you have to have this magical angelic
Anton:Yeah. Angels come down.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):God moment to do it. And so, yeah, so I started fostering in 2019. My first placement was a 12 year old.
Anton:Wow.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And thought I wanted to do, like, older kids, and it was really challenging. 12 is a very hard age, and she, had been in some really hard just a a lifetime of trauma up until that point. And so I was doing that, and it was going okay. And then, decided I wanted to open up for an infant, to try having a baby. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so then Malachi came, at two weeks old. So I got the paperwork for him, and he had Down syndrome. And my brother has Down syndrome. And I was like, absolutely. I want to have I I could totally do that, a baby with Down syndrome.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And they picked me. So long story is that you say yes, and then the state, CPS, kind of, if they have multiple people saying yes, then they pick one. And so in my home study, it said I had a brother with Down syndrome, and so they picked me because I have a brother with Down syndrome. And then I went and picked Malachi up from the NICU the next day, and he is with me to this day. He's six.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So yeah.
Anton:Was he was he a straight up, like, foster to adopt situation? Like, you knew going oh, you didn't know?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):No. Oh, wow. In foster care. His mom was doing an amazing job. She did her visits.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):She was doing a great job. And then, Malachi ended up having some different medical needs. He got his g tube. We were in the hospital a couple of times. And I think yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I I I I don't know for sure, but I think that some of that stuff, made his mom nervous that she could care for him. And it was probably about nine months into his case, because foster care,
Anton:it's
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):really a year long legal case. Mhmm. She reached out to me and had written me a letter and asked, if she relinquished her rights, if I would adopt him
Anton:Wow.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Which was a total honor. Yeah. Yeah. It was really I mean, I really wanted her to be able to parent him and
Anton:That's crazy.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Have had 18 kids since then.
Anton:18. I was actually gonna ask how many because I know that I've been around for, like, five
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):a years. Lot of them then.
Anton:But not 18. I mean
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I've had some short placements. So, typical placements typically are a year. I have not I've had, a lot of kids where I've been able to connect them with family really fast Mhmm. Or a couple of kids where they came in with some medical needs, and my role was kinda to help get them stabilized Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And get their parent understanding the medical needs so that they could go home. But I really love sometimes the state can really take their time finding other, like, family. And so, like, day one, I get a kid, and it's like, okay. Who are the family members out there? How can and, like, really trying to connect and then advocating for them to move them faster.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Because the minute I know I'm not needed because there is a safe adult that is in their family, I I don't want them to stay in my home a day longer than they need to. Yeah. And so I have had more quick turnarounds, which I love doing that, but that's how why the number is so high.
Anton:I was always mean, speaking directly to the audience here, when we did when my wife and I did foster care, we had a long term placement. We had some best friends that also did foster care. They had a long term placement. And I'm always like, what is Katie doing to get to get the good the fast ones? Not that it's better or worse.
Anton:It just feels like with a long term placement, there's a lot that happens emotionally. Whereas if you can get them moving along, then, you know, that's a resolution to the issue pretty quickly. Yeah. But going back to, like, the info session that I attended Mhmm. How did you
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Why did we start that?
Anton:Yeah. Who and how and when? I just I showed up randomly in the middle of it. So
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. It was such a cool god thing. So myself and another single foster mom, Hallie Mhmm. We were the only foster parents at our church. Our church is about probably a thousand people.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Maybe it was small it was definitely smaller then. It's probably a thousand now. So we were the only people fostering, both single moms, and it was during COVID. And the pastor they were doing a series called justice and mercy, and one of the topics of the sermon was foster care. And, basically, each one of the sermons, they had, an, like, a an ask for the congregation after or something, an application.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so the pastor that preached that sermon on foster care had reached out to Hallie to pick her brain about to make sure he was talking correctly about foster care, which we both thought was really cool that Yeah. They'd seek out, like and he actually ended up changing a lot of his sermon based on their conversation. And so the ask was or what we were gonna do after is Hallie and I were just gonna do an informational session Mhmm. On Zoom as a follow-up to the sermon. So we'd both been in the space for a little bit.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Hallie had been in the space longer, and she as a foster parent, and she had done a lot of volunteer work and things. And she's an attorney, so I'd done like, knew about it from the legal side. I've been around the system for a long time as a psychologist, and so and then we were both fostering. And 75 people signed up and came to that first session.
Anton:I did not know that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Massive. And, basically, it was the biggest class turnout that the church had ever seen. And so we were like, okay. Wait. What are we actually going to talk about or do?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And, Holly and I, I think, are pretty similar in, like, we can quickly process things and, like, okay. Fly by the seat of our pant like, what are we doing and moving forward? And so, basically, what we did was we did an overview of, like, foster care in the state and the needs and all that. And then from that group, we, had people communicate with us whether they were ready to be foster parents, they want or they wanted to pursue being foster parents, or they wanted to be supporters. So we had foster families and supporters of foster families, And then we created this cohort model, basically, for the foster families, like a six month cohort where we met month to month over Zoom, and we went over a topic that we felt like the agencies didn't really cover.
Anton:Right.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And we felt like this camaraderie of doing it together actually held people accountable to getting through the process. So that was the idea of, like, where month one, it'd be like, okay. What we would go to each family. What are your goals of what you wanna accomplish in the next month? Because there's a lot that you have to do to get ready Tons.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):To be a foster parent. And we found that with some of that accountability, people were getting licensed fast. Like, they're either getting licensed by the end of that six months or they were pretty close, or they were seeing other people take placement. They were meeting our kids. So it was just like this idea of, like, prox like, when you're in proximity to foster parents and foster kids, you're seeing, like, oh, I could do that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so many of our foster families babysat Malachi. Our friends of mine have been around us. I mean, my guess is that that is how you guys got someone involved. It's just, like, being around Kaitlyn and Yaki, being around us, and, like, seeing, like, oh, wait. I can do that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then also us speaking Mhmm. That over people. Like like, hey, you would actually be really good at this. And people being like, really? Me?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so I I think just, like, when you're close to it and you see that, like, there really isn't I think we keep we can keep people at a distance that are doing hard things and, like, oh, they're just, like, special. They're doing it. But, like, when you're actually in life with me, like, yeah, you can see there are some things I'm good at, but, like, it like, I'm just a regular person that is, like, doing something hard. And the reason I can do something hard is because there's other people around me
Anton:Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Helping me in doing that. And so building up that support role and then advocating for foster families. So it was so cool. Yeah. There was just the two of us in 2019.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then I would say, there's probably been, like, 30 families that have gotten licensed. And so for the size of our church, that's a really big percentage, compared to some other, like, big churches in our city. So it's just really cool to see that growth, so quickly. And we really actually need we need it to grow more because what happens is a bunch of our families have adopted. Like, I've adopted, Hallie's adopted.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And we thought we would have more capacity, but the kids that we adopted have very intense needs. Yeah. And so, like, I thought I would be able to be a mom of five kids. Mhmm. And, really, my one child is takes up, I would say, 90% of my parenting capacity.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I do still have I have a placement right now. So I usually can have one other kid, but that other kid has to be easier Yeah. Just because my adopted child has so many needs. And so I think as families adopt and we're adopting kids, from really hard places, so even if they don't have medical disabilities, kids with trauma have a lot of needs. And so we just need more families stepping up as, like, a lot of our foster homes are not open right now.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so then yeah. So it needs to be bigger.
Anton:So what would you say to somebody you kinda touched on it a minute ago. But what would you say to somebody that's like, that sounds cool. I could be interested in foster care, but I'm not good enough, or that sounds like a lot of work. Mhmm. Or, you know, one of those objections that I had Yeah.
Anton:When I was getting into what'd you say to them?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):There's such an energy behind it. It it like, you feel so purposeful. Like, it is such a clear mission field, and, like, it brings such community. Like, the foster parents and adoptive parents in our group, we are so bound together. Like, we all just went on a beach trip a couple weekends ago, and it was 13 kids and probably 18 adults.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And it's like, even though it was chaotic, it was way better than I thought it would be. But, like, you can just come into that house and breathe ascivately because you're with your people. Like and everyone knows how to step in. Like, my child was really having a hard time sleeping, and Anna's like, take the monitor out of Drew's room. Use it.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then, like, Anna and Anton were watching the monitor Yeah. To give me a break. And Anna's like, just go walk. Like and so it's just like it's such a cool experience that I don't I don't often see bio parents having that kind of experience with their biological kids and parenting like, co parenting Mhmm. With a group of people so closely.
Anton:No. I was gonna say, actually, when I had my biological daughter, Drew, who the podcast is about, I was shocked at the difference how different it felt for me personally when I had my foster kid and then when I had my bio kid. Because I felt with a foster kid, you have so much, purpose and reason and support and energy and, yeah, just like a reason to be doing it. Every day when you wake up, you're like, I'm here because this kid has nothing else. Yeah.
Anton:And then with a bio kid, of course, that that's still true. Mhmm. But it does feel massively different. And you're right. Like, I think the support that comes with other foster families Yeah.
Anton:Has been so much different than the support that we got with with BIO Kids. Not that we're not getting support.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):We're getting support.
Anton:Shout out
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):to We love Drew. Yeah. Yeah.
Anton:Yeah. We do love Drew. She's great.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):She's probably one of our I mean, it's yeah. Our friend group is so interesting because it's
Anton:like A mix.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):The foster kids definitely outweigh the bio kids. And but, like, I'm just so excited for Drew and for Davey and for, Isaac. Like, some of our kids are, like, actually they're growing up in this mission, and they are learning how to love kids. Yeah. That I I mean, I yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I just I think of how Malachi is loved and what he teaches people about how to be patient, about how to love, like, it's just very different. And his might be because of trauma, but his also is probably disability.
Anton:I mean, we're learning a lot from I learned a lot from Malachi today. Yeah. He does. Wow. Okay.
Anton:This is a good one. How has foster care expanded your understanding of love?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I don't think I could have imagined how attachment actually works. Like, I think attachment creates this fierce love. Yeah. And I think actually when people say I could get I I could get I'm too attached. And it's like, you want to be attached because when you're attached, it makes it way easier to parent a kid.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):When you are not feeling attached or you're not attached, it feels like the longest babysitting job ever. And so it's like and the the benefit of attachment to both the child and the caregiver, like, it will help them. Even if they never stay with you, it will help them attach to their next caregiver if they've had a secure attachment. So I think that's, like it's just mind blowing to me, and it's just really cool, like, to see how that happens when I did not carry him for nine months or birth him. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I probably didn't feel I probably started feeling that for him. Like, I liked him from day one. He was adorable. But I think it was our first hospital stay. So he's six months old, and it's like when you are that person, like and it was so hard.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, I we were there for ten days, which doesn't sound like that long, but it was long.
Anton:That sounds like a long time.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And just being there twenty four seven and just standing over his like, all that would soothe him was, like, just standing and patting him. I just remember, like, my back hurts so bad and my feet did like but it was I I think, like, after that experience, it was like, alright. Like, I'm locked in. Like, you need me. I can do this.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I I think that attachment, like and I think that's what babies do. Like, they need you for something, and you are consistently giving and that bond. And then it's just like, and it's been really hard to have babies with Malachi since he I bet. Requires so much.
Anton:I was thinking that too. Just like waking up in the middle of night. Foster care has redefined what love looks like to me in the sense that someone doesn't have to be blood related to you to be family. And I feel that in our our little cohort, our little community, Pinterest moms, shout out Pinterest moms. But I feel that they're
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Is that one of the questions? Explain what Pinterest moms
Anton:Please explain Pinterest moms. No, but I feel that you know, Drew has so many aunts and uncles now. And and I learned that with my foster kid that Mhmm. Like, he was my family. Yeah.
Anton:I I would have died for that kiddo, and that was real. And it was just as real as my biological kid, and that's It was wild. Yeah. It's like someone that I didn't know
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:Became, you know, one of the most important people in my life. Yeah. So it's it's just insane.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yep.
Anton:I was gonna ask about your adoption journey with Malachi because I know some friends that have fostered and adopted, and you told me that, you know, the the bio mom wrote you a letter. When did you know? Like, okay. I think I wanna adopt this kid because that's a big one. You know?
Anton:I mean, when at least when we were fostering, whole time, I was like, if it comes up to it, we would. Yeah. But I was never like, we want to. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Anton:And you've had so many kids that you didn't. Yeah. And I don't know if you ever had the option or not, but what what was that like with Malachi, and what made you make that that
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):look like? It was really interesting. So my first placement was her status was she was available for adoption when she came in. Yeah. And the agency I was with at that time, I felt like it was putting a lot of pressure on me.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, would you adopt? Would you adopt? And I just felt so uncertain about that. I felt no peace about it. But and then and I felt like a total jerk about it.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, she needs it and I could. And I've come since, like, accept and coach others, like, adopting out of, like, duty, like, that's it's not good for the kid. It's not good for you. And so I I think, like and it was really hard to say, like, I am just a foster home. I've since been much more confident about it because I do really feel like I am just a foster home.
Anton:Really well. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And I feel, like, very committed to my role. Like, because if I am an adoptive home, then I won't be able to foster. Like Mhmm. Even as it is, like, it's hard for me to foster with Malachi. It was such an easy decision when she asked me.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I was so honored. I was like, of course, I will. I think and I was so naive, like, to how hard it was gonna be. Like, I thought kind of, oh, the hardest things we were gonna do is medical things. And it turns out behavioral things are a lot more challenging.
Anton:What's the hardest part about being a mother to a kiddo with special needs now?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I think for me right now, the hardest part is not staying in the moment. Because if I stay in the moment, I actually feel pretty confident that I can handle whatever it's mostly behavioral issues. So I feel like I can handle whatever comes my way. What happens is when I start thinking about how am I gonna do this forever. And so it's like the older I get Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And, like, the bigger he gets. And so I think that it's like in in other kinds of parenting, you have, like, eighteen years or maybe twenty one years if your kid needs a little more time to launch. But in disability parenting, like, I will parent him until I die. Yeah. So it's like I mean, there likely will be things put in place, like, for when I can't.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But I think that and as a single person, I think, like, oh, like, shoot. Like, what if something like, what if I get sick or what if something happens? Like and how am I gonna parent him to the level that he needs? Even, like, two nights ago, I had a stomach bug. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And, like, I'm up sick all night and, like, I'm sick. So I'm thinking about that, but I'm like, oh, like, am I gonna be able to get up with him? And, thankfully, I have a a lovely, roommate that lives with us and helps out, and she happened she had been out of town for a while, but she's in town. So it was like, was able to knock on her door, and she was able to help. And, actually, it's happened with other times, and Cortland has come over because she lives close.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I know Anna would come over. Yeah. But I think some of it is that. It's like, it just he's not a kid that I can be like, mom's sick.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Watch your iPad. Like, he need like
Anton:Yeah. I can
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):imagine. And I call it because she also is, parenting kids with disabilities. Yeah. We kinda call it, like it's like the Navy Seals of parenting. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, it just requires such focus. Mhmm. So, like, I can't like, it's yeah. He's not self sufficient in any way, and he's six. And so, hopefully, he will keep grow and maybe he'll be able to do some things independently, but I think that's the hardest part of just, like, how intense Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):The supervision needs to be. And just worried about, like, will he still be screaming at the top of his lungs when he's 12? Or will I still be like, will I be able to physically move him from one place to another when he's bigger? And then different things that are just sad. Like, we went to the beach and, like, the beach is supposed to be fun.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm. And so things that are supposed to be fun, that most kids enjoy, sometimes Malachi really likes those things, and sometimes he's completely miserable. And it's really hard to know, like Yeah. What we're gonna get. And he actually did great that weekend, but I like, when we when you if you ever meet a mom or dad with kids with disabilities, they talk about hypervigilance, like, we are pretty much constantly on edge.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like and and they've done I think they've done some studies, like, comparing it to, like, PTSD and,
Anton:like Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):That trends and, like, though our levels are like, because you just have to be on and everything. Mhmm. Like, we could have a tantrum. We could not. Like so I think that's a lot of the hardest things all wrapped together.
Anton:Wow. I feel really bad because earlier when we're doing the g tube, I was like, dang. How are you gonna do this when it gets bigger? Genuine question. I was genuinely like, this is gonna be hard.
Anton:Yeah. But that's, I feel bad now knowing that that's something that you're thinking about. You know? Yeah. But I guess that makes sense.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Well, and it's this balance of, like, I don't wanna be dwelling on it too much, but I also I am thinking about it. Like, I mean, the reason I work out Yeah. Is to keep my like, I used to work out because just Yeah. Because I liked it. And, like, largely, like, the reason I work out is because I have a very fast child.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, I have an eloper, and so I have to be quick. And, like, I need to keep my body, like, strong and my bones healthy and, like, all that because I I think it is, okay. He's getting stronger. I need to be stronger. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So I think it is thinking about things like that that, and, again, I pray that he will chill out a little bit because we're he's still I would say It feels like he's chill he's probably still around a two or three year old. So two and three year olds are hard. Yeah. But he's in a six year old body. Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So my hope is that once he's cognitively a little bit older, he will chill. Because, I mean, also, my brother is the chillest kid with Down syndrome. Yeah. But and I've also learned that just, like, how hard it is to not compare to other kids with disabilities because you're like, I I I mean, I have to, like, talk speak that to myself all the time of, like, he's not Adriano. Like, Adriano is my brother.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And because I'm like, oh, if you were like Adriano, this would be easier. And and, like, Down syndrome is a huge spectrum. Malachi also has an autism diagnosis, which is a huge spectrum. And so it's just like every kid is different, and I am just praying that we will not be running as much as we are Yeah. In five years.
Anton:I mean, can you share a moment when you really saw Malachi's progress and personality shine in a way that moved you?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I I think the most recent one that comes to mind, I definitely cried when it happened, was he just did his kindergarten graduation. And I had no idea, like, what the little ceremony was gonna be. I've never gone to a kindergarten graduation, and I really wish I invited my parents, like, because it was a much bigger deal than I thought. But when I got there, they were gonna do, like, a performance first. And his teacher was there, and I was like, wait.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Who's up on stage with him? Because he has someone with him at all times. Yeah. And she was like, no. He's, like, fine up there.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And the curtains were closed. And I was like, wait. He's back there with all the kids by himself. And he did it. Like, they opened the curtains, he stood in place with his peers.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And he got there, like, four songs, and then he was going for the bows of the girl in front of him. And then his teacher had to go up and, like but he knew the hand motions Wow. To the songs. He was listening. He was having so much fun.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then they so I had no idea he could do that. And then each kid walks across the stage to get their little diploma, and they say their name into the microphone. And he loves microphones, but he went up and they said, say your name, and he goes, Kalakai. Because he calls himself Kalakai. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And then he tried to get the crowd to sing, we will rock you because he loves doing that. Yeah. Yeah. And they have to whisk him off.
Anton:That's right.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):We're not gonna stay on stage. So I think it was that. And then, yeah, seeing that progress. But the kindergarten graduation, I was floored, I was definitely crying.
Anton:That's crazy. That is I saw some pictures from that. I didn't realize that it was that much of a deal. Like, I didn't know that they were walking. Yeah.
Anton:I was just like, that's insane. This is a great question that I wrote earlier. Kudos to myself. If if your younger self could see you today, what would they be most surprised by?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I definitely struggled with more intense emotions when I was younger. Mhmm. And I think my younger self would be really surprised by, like, how well I manage my emotions. That self would be really surprised that depression doesn't have any hold on me Wow. At all.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And, I mean, it doesn't mean I don't feel emotion, but I I think it's just so regulated Mhmm. Compared to when I was younger, which I I didn't think that I would
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Have gotten to. Definitely feels feels like a lot of hard work, but also just some miraculous things. And Yeah. And I do think caring for someone that has knee like, caring for something someone outside of yourself, like, I just don't have a lot of capacity for
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Sitting and dwelling. And and, really, I need to build in some more of that because I think it's still good to you still need to, like, sit with your own emotions and all of that and create space for that, but I think I had way too much space for that.
Anton:Yeah. And, honestly, when you give yourself to something, you feel that in a real way. What's something you've done in your life that you're proud of that you feel like you haven't got enough recognition for?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I honestly would and I don't know if it's as much recognition as just being able to talk about it. I I don't find that people actually talk to me that much about or really understand much about what I do at work. Mhmm. And I, like, even you ask me the questions, like, I love talking about it. And I think I don't know if people are nervous to talk about it or they think I don't wanna talk about work because I'm not working, but, like, I am really proud of the work that I do.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. And it's really fun work to do. And I light up, like, in love when people ask me about my job, but I don't find that people ask me very much. And so I think that it's not something I need I want people to be like, I'm proud of you for that. Or like Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But just like being more curious about what I do. And and I just love I like sharing that.
Anton:You're doing amazing things at your job, and no I didn't know. I had no idea. I mean, I think I didn't know this is a funny fact. I didn't know you were a doctor of psychology until the foster kid that we took on
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:From you.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:That family member I'm trying to I'm trying to be, you know, like, be within the rules here. Uh-huh. That family member was like, yeah. Doctor Rose said this. I was like, who the heck?
Anton:Who is Doctor Rose? And so that's a testament enough. It's like, I wasn't asking. I didn't know. And it's like, you know, you're doing a really cool thing.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I also think we're thinking about, like, women and
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Podcast me about women is I do wonder if we don't ask women as much about what they do at work. Like, because I feel like guys, like
Anton:We just
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):you ask do guys what they do or, like, that's kind of the first line of questions. And I feel like with moms or women, it's tell me about your kids or, like, we're talking about mom stuff. And even, like, in our Pinterest mom chat, like, I will say, like, guys, we get let's talk about other things too. Like, I mean and I definitely I mean, I need those moms to talk about mom stuff. But I think some I'm like, I am way I I want to be way more than just a mom, and I wanna talk about those things.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But I do think I think there's probably some gender or, like, something about we just gravitate towards asking women about mom stuff.
Anton:And Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I like to and there are moms that don't work, and so maybe it's that. But I feel really proud of working. I would never like, I would always want to be a working mom. So even if you do found in me a spouse, like, I wanna keep working. I love working.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I think I'm a better mom because I work. And so I think that, yeah, that's just, like, a part of my identity that's really important. Totally.
Anton:That's not highlighted enough. Yeah. But that's what we're doing here. Yeah. So this is a really good question and kind of on the point of what you were just talking about.
Anton:Where do you find rest, and how do you find rest? Do you find rest? I know you, and I don't know that I've seen you kick up the feet Yeah. At least in the time that I've known you. But do you how do you find rest?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. I think that's really challenging, and I don't think I've I definitely don't think I figured that out at all. I I think rest is really different than relaxation. I definitely am not someone that's good at relaxing. Mhmm.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But I I think there are other way like, I'm very it's hard for me to sit still. Like, I just have a lot of energy. And, so I think, like, relaxing is probably hard, but I definitely think everyone still needs to have rest. Mhmm. And that yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):It's a struggle because, like, I have been trying to figure out how to actually do like, what are things that would feel restful. Like, Malachi goes to bed pretty early, which is
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Great because I do have, like, my evenings to myself. Like, so the days are like, you've probably never seen me sit down, like Yeah. When we're in a day, like, if he's awake. So I do, like I'll watch reality TV. Like, again, like, I'm relaxing
Anton:Right.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But I don't know how, like, rest full it
Anton:is. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I'm a big reader, so Anna and I are in a book club together. We're actually, like, the star members, I think, because we always read the book and usually have another book going. So Anna and I have kind of, like, a side book club.
Anton:Yeah. She's on top of it.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Like, what should we read before a book club?
Anton:So
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):reading, but it's really hard for me to rest and turn my brain off. So I'm definitely like
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):I am excited to hear if you ask other people that question to get ideas from the podcast because Yeah. I'm I I feel like I need a hobby, but I can't like, what do middle aged women do as a hobby? I don't know. Like
Anton:How do you hold space for so many others without burning out? Because you do Yeah. So you help so many people.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Appreciate that. I I just think that is, like, what is rejuvenating to me. So, like, when we have our monthly support group Yeah. That we do for fast our foster care ministry, like, like, that is, like, probably one of my favorite nights of the month because it's, all the people in one room that get it. And even though, like, I'm not usually sharing
Anton:Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And we're, like, helping other people solve things, I just feel, like, so connect. I think when I'm helping people, I feel so connected to them Yeah. So I don't feel burnout. And it's also, like, it's not my problem. It's the so it's much easy because I'm like, I get way more burnout about, like, my own, like, parenting or how am I gonna do this forever.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But, like Mhmm. I don't have to be stressed about how you're gonna do your parenting forever.
Anton:Yeah. Honestly.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):So it's just like yeah. I don't but I do think it's like, I really love that connection with people. And I think that is one thing that's hard about being single and parenting is like, unless I cultivate those things with others, like, it's just me here at night, like, when he goes to bed. And so there isn't like another person to, like, hey. How'd this go for you?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Or, like, to really talk through some of those things with. So I think, like, a lot of people out, like or close group of people, but outside of me Yeah. Because at night, it is just me unless I kinda cultivate that.
Anton:I think I have to I just realized during our conversation that I probably have to apologize to you because I honestly have lacked empathy for being a single parent. Like, I haven't I didn't even think about asking questions about it because I don't know what that would be like. But when you were talking about that, you know, kind of creating that, someone asked me recently if, if who like, I guess the question was, would you rather die first or Anna die first? And my answer was a very clear, like, let me die first. Because I don't think I'd be able to generate the community that I need to do parenting Yeah.
Anton:To do my life. I know my wife would. She's she's good at that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):But Yeah. They say that it's really hard for men when their wives
Anton:Oh, yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Die first. Like, because men they say that, like, men typically are good with their community being their wife or, like, women tend to need
Anton:More.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):More. And that's why we have our Pinterest moms group, and you guys don't have a Pinterest dad's group because even though I know some of you wanna be in our group, but I I think sometimes men don't have that same need or they can get that need filled. Like, I mean, I love seeing you guys connect as dads, but I do think it's like a different a different muscle to work. And I don't I don't know if that's something innate to women or if we've just been, like, conditioned and, like, raised to be more communal with other women. But
Anton:Yeah. Well, I wish I would've had more questions about being a single parent because
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):ask Hallie about it when
Anton:you talk to will. Hallie, when I talk to you, I'm asking you all the questions about that. Sorry. The podcast is named Ladylike. How would you redefine what it means to be ladylike?
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):What is ladylike? Yeah. I I mean, I think it's like
Anton:Let me rephrase that.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):A boss.
Anton:Oh, that's a good that's a good answer. I was gonna rephrase it, but I think that's a great answer. Yeah.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Discipline, like yeah. I mean, I think it's a balance of, like, determination and humility, like, being vulnerable. Yeah. That is such a hard question. I should have thought about
Anton:No.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):You're good. I mean, I knew what the name of the podcast was, so I really should have thought about it. Yeah. Like, I think that it's like this dialectic of confidence and humility. So a dialectic is two things that seem can are seemingly opposite can be true at the same time.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):And so to have this confidence, but also this willingness to submit and to be humble, I think, like, that together, is, like, what how it would define ladylike.
Anton:That's awesome. And, you know, it's funny, like, the three words that I came up with, not to I am a man. I'm not ladylike. But the three words that I thought of were grit, grace, and growth. Because I think there's three components that are really real.
Anton:Like, grit and grace are die dialectic
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Mhmm.
Anton:In nature. Like, to be gritty to grow or to be gritty is to, like, you know, toughen through it and to have grace is to to have humility and patience and and a slow nature. And I think those are, like, both really true in you. They're true in you, and I think they are true in being ladylike in general. So thank you so much, Doctor.
Anton:Single Doctor. Rose, the men out there for taking the time to talk to me. I know we probably went over on time, but, it's really truly been a pleasure to hear about everything that you're doing and have done. And I didn't even know what you're doing for work.
Katie Rose (Dr. Rose):Yeah. Thanks for having me.
Anton:This Thank was you. Alright. So I'm gonna end each episode talking with my daughter Drew and telling her what I've learned from my experience with the amazing, incredible woman I was with on that episode. I'm gonna read her a letter of what I learned during my episode. Dear Drew, today you heard from a woman who does hard things with quiet strength.
Anton:Doctor Katie Rose doesn't make a lot of noise about what she does, but what she carries would crush most people. She spends her days sitting with hurting kids, advocating for families in crisis, and loving her son in ways the world rarely sees. She reminded me that some of the most ladylike things aren't loud and beautiful or perfect. Sometimes being ladylike means being steady, showing up bearing weight. You may never hear applause for the kind of faithfulness she walks in, but it matters.
Anton:And if you ever find yourself feeling invisible while doing something important, I hope you remember this. The work that no one sees often builds the strength that everybody needs. Love, always, dad. What do you think? There you have it.
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Anton:Thank you so much. We'll be back next Wednesday with another episode that'll be featuring Callie with Hey Honey. So be on the lookout for that. Thank you guys again.