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Writer and filmmaker Sal + photographer Mark have a five year plan to sail their Swan 47 MATILDA from Palma, Spain back to Sydney Australia. This weekly podcast shares the wonder and realities of living your dream while maintaining careers and a 50 year old boat.
Welcome to MATILDA RADIO. We are coming to move from under the ancient ruins. Two and a half thousand years of Roman civilization. Incredible city in the South Of Sardinia.
Mark:It's more of a little village village than a city, really, isn't it?
Sal:Well, 8,000 people. Okay. Yeah. Town. Let's go somewhere.
Sal:Town. We'll call it a town. I'm Sal Balharrie.
Mark:And I'm Mark, Mark Chew.
Sal:And we are long term liveaboards, a low a border of 47, MATILDA. We'll tell you more about her in a moment. But we are going to be sharing with you each week where we are, what we're doing, what's really going on.
Mark:And a few of our thoughts. Yes.
Sal:And where are we right now?
Mark:Well, this this Roman town that Sal mentioned is called Nora, and it's on the South Coast Of Sardinia. Sardinia, you know, in your mind might be an island that's long and skinny and runs north south. But at the bottom end, there's this amazing coastline that I knew nothing about that's mountainous and arid and rugged. But it's got lots of little bays, and you can pretty much find protection from anywhere, maybe apart from a full southerly gale, which we haven't had, luckily. And we're really enjoying cruising and discovering it.
Sal:Because we're at the beginning, the very beginning of a five year plan. Well, I suppose this is sort of summer two. We did buy the boat. We bought we're a year in to it, but I feel we're only really hitting our strides. And we're gonna be talking a little bit about the boat.
Sal:And it might
Mark:be an eight year plan. Or it
Sal:might be a
Mark:three year plan. Who knows? Three year plan.
Sal:We might be stone marvelous, broken, have to go and work in the gap again, which is what we did many years ago. Let's jump in and talk about the boat and let's talk about the summer ahead.
Mark:So we've had MATILDA for a year now. She's a SNS one forty seven built in 1978. The design was 1974, so she's a typical IOR boat. We think she's quite beautiful.
Sal:What sort of boat though?
Mark:I said.
Sal:Did you? S and S?
Mark:An S and S one. Yeah.
Sal:Okay. Good. I missed that.
Mark:Alright. Good. But she's has her quirks when you if you if you're used to looking at modern cruising or even sort of cruiser racer yachts, you'll find they've got a lot of room in them and the cockpits are big and they're far more of a of a of a living living boat than this one. This one's tricky to live on because there's not a lot of room, but the beauty is she sails like an absolute dream. She's the most comfortable sea boat I've ever sailed on.
Mark:And although she's 47 foot in length, by the time got a few overhangs where she's got a nice pointy bow and a little tucked up transom, she's probably only in effect at sort of 41, 42 footer in modern day terms. And although that sounds like quite a lot, when you're living aboard full time and you've got a lot of stuff, it's relatively crowded, but not not not unbearable at all.
Sal:So let's let's give people some detail, some background on what found us here. So we've from the time that we've known each other, we've always been sailing.
Mark:We We went sailing on our honeymoon.
Sal:We went sailing on our honeymoon.
Mark:In a Holland 25 on pit water. So didn't enjoy that. I did. I did. I enjoyed it.
Mark:I remember But I don't think you could ever not
Sal:enjoy time on a boat. I don't think that would ever I I do remember that I had my nose in a book. I remember what I was reading. I was reading quite aptly the agony and the ecstasy Mhmm. Which was set us up.
Sal:So so, yeah, so from the very from the get go, we were sailing. And then after a little while, we decided to put our nose down and worked very hard for two years and save up all our pennies and buy a boat in The UK. And what boat did we buy then?
Mark:We bought a Moody 30, which at the time we thought was luxurious. But we saw one the other day, and when we look back on it, it was quite a shock to see what we lived on for a couple of years back then. It's quite
Sal:I actually thought she was quite pretty. I was quite I was quite surprised.
Mark:Not so much the prettiness, but just small and simple.
Sal:Boy, loved her.
Mark:But we were we were probably a little a little tougher in those days.
Sal:Lived on love and bread.
Mark:Coped with that.
Sal:Coped with that
Mark:quite well. And we took that boat from Plymouth along the English, Southern English coast to Brighton and crossed over to France and went through the French canals for the summer.
Sal:Went to the north to a place called Saint Valerie Sasson.
Mark:Yeah.
Sal:And then put the mark mast down.
Mark:Yeah. And motored through the canals during the summer. And and that that that's one of my most memorable experiences on a boat in the, you know, in my life really, I suppose.
Sal:Place called Port Saint Louis and then we circumnavigated or went along the French Riviera at Riviera circum navigated Corsica, fleetingly Sardinia, and stone marvelous broke, ran out of money, had to get the boat back to The UK to sell it.
Mark:I'm a bit worried this podcast is just becoming our history.
Sal:No. We've gotta give people background. It's important.
Mark:Yeah. But maybe it's too much detail.
Sal:We'll get there. And he's gonna completely wind me up the whole time. And and then we ended up going back to England, selling the boat very quickly, but not prepared to head back to Australia. We took jobs running a sailing flotilla, which was really interesting in retrospect because I think working for a sailing flotilla, troubleshooting every single day and looking after other people, I think gave us incredible boat handling skills. Perhaps not amazing sailing skills, but being able to more and look after and tie up 14 boats for which you're completely responsible in your early twenties was pretty cool.
Mark:Yeah, it was cool. And skills that you learnt then I'm still using every day here onboard MATILDA and it's just sort of day to day stuff of things you can do, how you make things work. I think when I was saying to Sal the other day, when I write my autobiography, it's gonna be called fixing marine toilets in beautiful places.
Sal:A shit of a job. You could see that one coming, couldn't you? I and then we went so we got back to Australia got back to Australia. Very quickly bought a boat called Cotton Blossom. What was Cotton Blossom?
Mark:Are we going through the whole list
Sal:of all boats? Just quickly. We are. Cotton Blossom.
Mark:Got half an hour from the podcast.
Sal:Cotton Blossom?
Mark:We had Cotton Blossom, an s n s 40 from 1964 built by Max Crease in Auckland for the Auckland Suva race. Triple skin carry. Did I say that? No. No.
Mark:Triple skin carry. Loved that boat. Probably shouldn't have sold it, but did sell it.
Sal:She's still around.
Mark:She's still around. She's in Melbourne and had a lot of work done on her by Richard Blake. And, yeah, I'd look to look forward to seeing her out there. That would be good. She went to Ireland after we sold her and then came back.
Sal:So she's back in Melbourne. I think she's owned now by a guy who's, like, six foot eight, and I always wonder how he fits in any bunker there.
Mark:Then what makes you think he's six foot eight? Think
Sal:this think he's is he?
Mark:It's because his name's Madden.
Sal:Isn't he a football player?
Mark:No. A different Madden. Not him at all. You just made that bit up. Just because you're called Madden, it doesn't mean you're six foot eight.
Sal:More's the pity. I I've always him like this, you know, hunched over trying to No. Anyway, we sold Cotton Blossom, and we then went to Fairwinds because we had children. We found Fairwinds in New Zealand and we spent a lot of time sailing in New Zealand, Great Barrier Island, all the North Island, but you know some of our greatest family holidays. Sailed the Pacific in her, came back to Australia, major refits, two of major refits major refits nearly broke us.
Mark:Nearly ruined our marriage.
Sal:Nearly ruined our marriage. My kids remember me driving along and it's too much detail.
Mark:We won't go that. Skip that bit.
Sal:But we kept her and then I bought a boat. I bought a boat because I decided, hang on a minute, how come I haven't had my own boat? And I really love racing. And so I wanted to buy a racing boat, a plastic boat, and that became no man's land with the Nor Women's crew. Some of the best sailing days of my life over that last over that five year period that we had that boat.
Sal:Yeah. Look at that really fondly. And last weekend was AWKR, the Australian women's keelboat women's keelboat regatta and looking at the photographs and pointing out no no man's land girls was very cool. And so about two or three years ago, you and I, actually we were sailing from Melbourne to Tassie to Deal Island in Bass Strait and then up to Sydney. We had a lot of problems and it would have broke many people but we had such a fantastic fantastic holiday.
Sal:I remember limping into Eden in the middle of the night with no breeze and tying up and just the sense of accomplishment without an engine was just huge. And I think we looked at each other then and thought, kids have grown up. We've got a moment in our lives where things are aligning. Let's do something bigger. Is that sort of how you see it?
Mark:Yeah. I think so. We had obviously two boats and then you think, We'll just combine those two boats into one boat and go sailing and that sounds easy. But apart from the emotional side of selling a boat that we lived and loved on, lived on and loved for twenty five years, that was hard because I love fair winds a lot. But it's also just the practicalities of it.
Mark:Because you know selling boats is not a very pleasurable experience usually and you never get what you think they're worth and there's always hassles and fixing and surveys and da da da but we managed to do all that and we pooled our resources and looked around for a boat. We really didn't have any idea of where we were going to find it. It might have been New Zealand, might have been in The United States. But then we saw MATILDA.
Sal:Can I just backtrack slightly?
Mark:Hold on, let me finish.
Sal:No, can I just backtrack because it's important with MATILDA that when we were looking for boats and we did look for a few, we had a non negotiable list that was important to me of the things that we would need on this boat if it was to be a liveaboard boat? And they were things that that was basically our sort of our checklist of whether or not we were interested in the boat. There were three guiding principles for me which were very important, which was bigger than 50 foot. I wanted space after being on fair winds. Was
Mark:a good point. Was a bit of a silly thing because bigger than 50 foot, we wouldn't be able to afford to live on it, and b, we wouldn't be able to handle it with any sort of breeze. So that
Sal:was non negotiable.
Mark:Number one was 50. A non negotiable that just was never gonna happen.
Sal:Number two was a a cockpit from which you can entertain.
Mark:Well, you can entertain three people in that cockpit.
Sal:Three. Anyway, we'll go back to that. And the third and most important thing was a double bet. Because I do I don't don't want to feel like I'm on a boy scout. I do want to feel like I'm sort of, you know still married.
Sal:And that was important to me. Those three things were absolutely non negotiable. Okay. So
Mark:So we ended up with a 48 foot boat, which is almost too big as it is. You can entertain in the cockpit. And we're sitting on this platform which sells yoga platform, which she wouldn't have a yoga platform, but she's got a yoga platform Granted that. Which is in the middle of
Sal:I love my yoga platform.
Mark:Middle of Matilda. It's like a sort of it's like a sort of working space for the for the main sort of engine room of the boat, sailing engine room, I mean. It's actually And then we do have a cockpit you can sit in. You know, we're pretty much ticked all those negotiations. Point three?
Mark:Oh, point three. We got a bed. It's a one and a half bed. It may not be a double bed, but it's a one and
Sal:a half. So, you know, at a push, you can squeeze. If I grease you up, I can I can squeeze you in? Also, we've got the forepeak. Yes.
Sal:We have the forepeak. We have the forepeak. So there we go. So I'm a pushover. Tick.
Sal:And plane just went overhead.
Mark:Little So, anyway, anyway, we bought Matilda. Matilda was in well, we saw it in Palma Menorca. We went and saw it and had a survey done on it. And then eventually, when we moved aboard, it was in Valencia, which became our European base. We really love Valencia.
Mark:It's a special little city. And we'll go back there this winter because you gotta sort of spend a bit of time working on the boat and settling down. And we don't wanna live on the boat twelve months a year. It's good to get a break. So after this summer of of of travels, which we'll tell you about in a second, we will end up back in Valencia for a little while and then decide what we're gonna do again next year.
Sal:Something I just wanna sort of go back to because it it was pretty special, the the buying and the selling of this boat, MATILDA. And I think, you know, something you said it can be very, very stressful. This was a stress free purchase. I think the moment that you and I met Mallie and Peter, the former owners of MATILDA, I mean, we were just never not going to buy this boat. They are they've become beautiful friends.
Sal:They are extraordinary sailors. They have They are a German family of Olympic sailors. Meli herself was world champion. Sorry, I've forgotten her class.
Mark:505.
Sal:World champion five zero five sailor. They are incredible. But we have just had so many fun nights with those guys. Peter is now restoring a boat in Valencia. We can talk about that probably in another podcast.
Sal:But I have to say that finding a boat on the other side of the world and buying and selling from people who become really, really dear, dear, dear close friends is pretty special, wouldn't you say?
Mark:Yeah. And rare. Mean normally you know the sort of cliche with buying and selling boats is that if both parties are equally unhappy then it was probably quite a good deal. Well I suspect with purchasing MATILDA both parties are equally happy we know the boat's got quirks, we know that there's a few issues we've got to sort out and things, but they're helpful they, you know, care about the boat as well. So it's quite a quite a rare and special thing passing on the custodianship of this lump of fiberglass.
Sal:So that's a perfect segue, Mark, because
Mark:But I should just that we're halfway through this podcast.
Sal:I should just point out that as a filmmaker, I'm constantly with my eye on that. So just don't I've got
Mark:the You're tuned in
Sal:You're in good hands, Mark, all all I can say. So we packed up our lives. I'm a filmmaker and writer. You're a documentary photographer. We packed up our lives and our working careers to move to the other side of the world, to live aboard a boat for seven or eight months a year and ashore for four months.
Sal:We have a budget, we have limited funds, we still are needing to work and find cash resources. We're not flush, so to speak. So it's a lifestyle choice, really, isn't it? I
Mark:think Yeah, it is. And it's funny because when you say to people, oh, I'm living on a yacht in Mediterranean, it sounds sort of like, well, how did that happen? But, you know, like, we don't have a holiday house in Melbourne. We we do have a house that we rent out, and, you know, we are trying to keep working. And there's a lot of people we know who could be doing this sort of thing if they wanted to.
Mark:I'm not saying it's, know, you should do it, but it's not unachievable. It's just a bit of a mindset, you know, really. It's a lot less expensive than owning second house on the Peninsula or a flat in Noosa or something like that. Know, it's it's it's a far more less of a of a capital expenditure than that. It's probably not a smarter thing to do financially because you're not gonna get a return on it.
Mark:But the returns come from things like the view that I'm looking at now.
Sal:It does demand a certain level of skill though. And I think that's something that we sort of take for granted that we're very comfortable and very happy and have a skill set that allows us to be somewhere that others, you know, can't.
Mark:Yeah. That's true. And the other thing is, I mean, it's really hard to sort of explain this, and I'm not this is in no way meant to be a whinge or anything, but it is constant, you know, like, it's not like you're you're on holiday. You know, every day I wake up and look at the weather forecast, see which way the wind's blowing. Yeah.
Mark:You know, and as the summer progresses here in Europe, you know, am I gonna go? Can I get into marinas if I need to? We try not to go into marinas, but maybe, you know, we might go in for a couple of nights every fortnight because we need water and, you know, probably recharge the batteries and stock up and do some washing. But it's a constant effort to stay safe, stay on top of things, make sure that the boat's in good condition, you know, keeping up with your work commitments that we can, all that sort of thing. So it's it's it's not in no way a complaint because we choose to do it, but it's not just sitting back in the sunshine relaxing the whole time by any means.
Sal:I think the other thing that some people will be thinking, our our constant our our, what do you call them, long term listeners, will be wondering how have you come to terms with plastic? You are somebody who you the founder of we are founders of Southern Wooden Boat Sailing, SWS. Big part of our lives. Linked to that in the show notes. How have you how has that what is that how how have you found yourself on a on a fiberglass boat?
Mark:Well, I suppose sort of SWS was a bit of a misnomer to start off with because we had fair winds and, you know, it seemed like a sort of nice little niche to to write about or write in that niche. But as we kept going, and this sounds like a justification, maybe it is, but as we kept going with it, I I sort of realized that what I was interested in wasn't so much what the boats were made of. It's the attitude that people had who sailed them and the culture and the values of traditional maritime sailing, know, the things like independence and adventure and analog over digital and I suppose sort of the touch and the smell of what you're doing rather than being prescriptive about what your boat's made out of. Now that sounds like an excuse and it probably is. Having said that, you know, like if we were cruising the Med in 30 degree summer right through the day on a wooden boat, I would be worried about my boat and I'd be far more worried about looking after it and I think I'd enjoy enjoying it less.
Mark:So the this S and S Swan, as I say, 1974, is probably as close as I could get as we could get to a sort of classic boat with classic values without it being all the problems of having a wooden boat in the extreme heat of of the summer. It's a beautiful shape. It sails beautifully. It has its quirks, and down below is just magnificently made being a swan. The interior fit out.
Mark:So, you know, it's a justification, I know, But I I think I can come to terms with the fact that we own a plastic boat because it's so special. And the main thing is you tie up in any dock or marina and people walk past and say, I love your boat. It's beautiful. And like people used to say that all the time with fair winds and I'm glad that hasn't stopped.
Sal:The rollaway factor, we call that the rollaway factor when you roll away from your boat in the Anchorage. What questions do you have of me, Mark Chu?
Mark:Questions I have of you how
Sal:that question has just induced a degree of anxiety inside in me. Yeah. Look, I think the thing is, it's funny, isn't it? Because back in Melbourne, I'd be in my studio at my desk, and yet the sheer fact that you could get in a car and go and see somebody, have a coffee made you feel connected. But in reality, our whole lives are, you know, are digital, aren't they, really?
Sal:All of our connections are are fairly are fairly digital. How am I staying connected? Well, from your observation, how do you see that I'm staying connected?
Mark:Oh, just, you know, being being very diligent with your sort of digital communication, I guess. Isn't it?
Sal:Yeah. Yeah. I think the
Mark:I mean, Starlink is a game changer.
Sal:Starlink is a game changer. I mean, we've just discovered
Mark:We have to we have to apologize for supporting Elon Musk, the world's first trillionaire.
Sal:Yeah.
Mark:But But until somebody else comes along who can give us reliable fast Internet connection twenty four seven for €90 a month.
Sal:It's pretty hard to beat, isn't it?
Mark:It's pretty hard to beat.
Sal:That plus we've just discovered unlimited data.
Mark:Yeah. Well, Starlink's unlimited data and then unlimited data on your phone. So here we are advocating the values of an analog lifestyle and we're totally digitally hooked in.
Sal:So with this we've got eight minutes to go and with our with our podcast we really want this to be sort of an idea of what our daily life is like, what the decisions we're making, what they're looking like. Give us a brief description of of how our days unfold on
Mark:the material thought maybe just we will do that. But before we do that, we'll just give a quick sort of itinerary of what we've done so far this summer very quickly.
Sal:Not a Let's start last year. We got onto the boat in
Mark:August last year. This year because last year's last year. Let's do it. So Okay. So this summer, we've we came back to Europe in
Sal:March?
Mark:April. April? April. April. April.
Sal:Fool's
Mark:Day. And we had a month in Valencia preparing the boat.
Sal:We have Spanish visas. That's
Mark:important do have to Spanish long term visas which has been a nightmare getting, but we sort of we're managing with them.
Sal:Spain. Thank you.
Mark:So we got a month in a month in Valencia preparing the boat, which was full on, headed out the water, slipping it, painting it, doing all the repairs
Sal:that we needed to do. Flying around? What? On our bicycles, flying around?
Mark:Yeah. We rode bike. We have two bikes there that we ride everywhere, which is great fun. Keeps us a little bit healthy and fit. And then come pretty much the beginning of May, we crossed over to the Balearics Islands, which are basically four islands, which is Formentera, Ibiza, May Orca, and Menorca.
Sal:With our first guests.
Mark:With our first guests, Belinda and Miles, who are of Valencian residents, and and were fantastic. We had such a great time with them for a few days. They helped us crossover. And we did a quick trip around Foremantera, pretty much skipped Ibiza as I recommend anybody does. Sorry.
Mark:That's a bit judgmental.
Sal:But bit judgmental.
Mark:Yeah. But still Yeah. I'd still skip it. And then so had I to go back to London. So I was in Menorca by myself, and I actually really enjoyed Menorca, not being by myself.
Sal:Mallorca.
Mark:Sorry. Mallorca, the big island. I really enjoyed I went around the north side of it, which is quite spectacular, and I wish Sal had been there to enjoy that. And then so I sort of single handed around the top to Menorca where Sal flew back into. And then we circumnavigated Menorca, which we both love.
Mark:Tell us about your feelings about that, Sal.
Sal:I was blown away. I had no idea of we'll have to do a next time, one of the points will
Mark:discuss finish your sentence.
Sal:Next time, we'll discuss the Pwycedonia and how that makes the water so so crystal clear blue. But there were two extraordinary extraordinary colors, which are like long skinny sort of bays to swim in. Color pragonda and color marcelleta. Extraordinary just extraordinary never seen anything like it we could cruise a whole we could spend a whole summer in Menorca.
Mark:You could yeah you might get a bit bored but yes I agree Menorca recommend it. And then a week ago on Friday, we left Mahon, the capital of Menorca.
Sal:What a city.
Mark:Yeah. What a city. Mahon, great city. And we had a 195 miles to go to the bottom of Sardinia. We had a great weather window and MATILDA just picked up her skirts and flew.
Mark:We had
Sal:Rough seas.
Mark:A lovely sail. A 195 miles in twenty seven hours. We had a a reef in the main the whole way, and we changed between the the heady and the and the stasel, which I discovered in French is called a tranquette. Tranquette. The other day when we met somebody, the tranquette is your stasel, and we flew across to the bottom of this.
Mark:Hours. What?
Sal:Thirty three hours.
Mark:Twenty seven.
Sal:Was it? Twenty And
Mark:and now we're in Southern Sardinia and cruising that. So we're back to where we started. The plans for the future very quickly because we're running out of time.
Sal:Next guests?
Mark:Oh, yeah. We've got next guests. We've got Sam and Jim Woods.
Sal:Who will join us on the podcast?
Mark:The Margaret Pearl are joining us. But first, we have to cross over to Sicily, which is about, I seem to remember, about a 140 miles, which we'll do maybe next week, the end of end of next week.
Sal:I'm going back to London for another week for another few days, and then I'll come back again.
Mark:Then we'll cross over to Sicily. We'll probably sort of whiz through Sicily this time because we'll be coming back later on in the year. So Sicily along to Massena where hopefully we'll pick up Sam and Jim and then quite keen to have a look at Puglia from the water to to actually see what that's like. It's a bit Italy that's obviously not glamorous as some other bits. And then later on in the year or just a a month later, we'll be back to this whole podcast is doing a nice little loop, isn't it?
Mark:Because we'll be back to the Ionian where we ran our flotillas. Yeah. And we'll see if some of the people we knew then
Sal:are That'll be cool. Why don't we'll be we'll do a podcast from Roses to Verna.
Mark:The Rose Garden.
Sal:Rose Garden to Verna. Yeah. Yep. Thirty years later.
Mark:And then sort of to skip forward fast, then we've got a whole lot of crew arriving from Australia and New Zealand and hopefully England, and we will compete at the Rolex Swan Cup in Sardinia in the classic division, the Spartan Stevens division.
Sal:Yeah. That's gonna be a whole we'll do a whole podcast. That's massive. Massive. That's massive.
Sal:That's massive.
Mark:Brilliant Friend.
Sal:Oh, that's quite apt, isn't it, being in Italy?
Mark:Yes. It is.
Sal:That's off the library shelf
Mark:of My problem with it is that I watched it on television first, and now when I'm reading it, I'm sort of reliving the television series.
Sal:Okay. So you're reading I'm reading Lazar, which slightly troubles me, written by 23 year old extraordinary young German guy translated into English. Slightly problematic. I have it's it's one of those books sold 200,000 copies in the first week. It's meant to be sort of, you know, the new Gabriel Garcia Marquez, and I'm slightly troubled by it, but that's a whole another thing.
Sal:Film of the week.
Mark:My father's shadow. It's a Nigerian film set in Lagos about father and his two sons, and it's beautiful and tragic. Not really true. Well, sort of tragic, but, like, very real. But look it up.
Mark:It's called My Father's Shadow. Yours is what?
Sal:La Camera, the Italian Italian film film which which I adored. You you found it a bit quirky and whimsical. I I I think it's one of my top it's definitely in my top 10 up you know, we're talking in my categories of break a moron to Gallipoli, atonement. Oh, year of my voice, bro. I mean, it's it's a hard hard gig.
Sal:So today, we are heading into Cagliari into the marina.
Mark:First marina for two weeks?
Sal:First marina for two weeks. We're limping in because we've run out of coffee and we're actually on tank number three of water.
Mark:Yeah our last tank of water. But it's still we only just turned over. We still I reckon we can do two weeks on three tanks of water.
Sal:Two weeks on three tanks of water. We've got to get that water maker working. That's going to be a whole podcast topic next week, isn't it?
Mark:Well, you could just have less showers.
Sal:Can Mark fix the water maker? The very
Mark:expensive shower every day, a hot shower every day, and she still complains about the boat.
Sal:Can Mark fix the water maker that cost us 17,000 million euros or something in that vicinity. That's your challenge this week, Mark two.
Mark:Have a good week. We're gonna do these podcasts every every they they should be out every every Monday morning, they'll be on online.
Sal:So Yeah. Monday morning. There'll be a link on AWS on website.