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Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:00:00]:
I'm not coming down I never knocked it on the ground I'm not coming down I wanna go higher, higher, higher, higher than that. Welcome back to the Business is Human podcast. I'm your host, Rebecca Fleetwood Hession, and we're here to bring you episodes that blend meaningful work with profitable success. Here to steward what I call the Age of Humanity. I believe if we transform the way we work, we can transform the way that we live. As always, my friendly request. If you like what you hear, hit subscribe so you don't miss any episode and leave a review to tell the other humans that they might like it too. Always looking to help you and connect with others.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:00:40]:
All right, let's get into it, shall we? Today's episode brought to you by surfing through the information in my Oura Ring app. Anybody have an Oura Ring? I just got one for myself for Christmas. I buy myself the best Christmas presents. Truly. I got one for my daughter for Christmas, and on Christmas night we were looking at it and I was like, I want one of those. And at 9 o'clock on Christmas night, I went on Target app, ordered myself one, and it was at my doorstep at 8am the next morning. So I'm not saying I believe that the Oura Ring represents nervous system regulation better than any of the other tracking devices that I've used because it adjusts based on your current state. For example, I just hosted a humongous event, don't Stand Tall in Your Story.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:01:37]:
And it was fascinating to see my stress levels during that event, but even more so, days after the event, how long it took my cellular system to recover. I just loved seeing the data on that. I always knew it was true, but to see it in charts and graphs and stuff was affirming and interesting. And during one of those days, I was surfing around in some of the information that was there about mindfulness and all the things, and I stumbled upon this article about doors, walking through doors, literal doorways, and what happens in your brain. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what triggered this entire episode. So we're going to talk about doors, literal doors, spiritual doors. Those moments when we're not sure if we should move forward or not. We're feeling some nudges, maybe God is trying to tell us something, but we hesitate.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:02:41]:
And then I'm going to give you a little bit of the science behind. You know those moments when you walk into a room and you completely forget why you went in there? Turns out there is actual science behind it and it has everything to do with how we Transition from one place to another, whether it's from the living room to the kitchen or whether it's from one job to another. The science is clear on. On both. But that's what was so fascinating to me is once I get in on a topic and then I start doing a little bit of googling and ChatGPT-ing and. And measuring it against my own experiences, I just got really fascinated with this because I have a lot of people in my client life, my personal life, that are in this situation right now trying to figure out, like, are they being called to do something different or make a change? My son just called me 20 minutes ago right before I was gonna hit record, and they've asked him to move to a different store. He works for Guitar Center, and they've asked him to move to a different store. And he wanted me to pray with him and talk to him about the pros and cons and what's going on.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:03:56]:
I mean, that's part of life that we need to consider change. And what I see far too often is what if staying in a place too long is actually a problem? And this, this is flies in the face of what many of us were raised thinking, you know, tenure and longevity and all of these things about safety and security. You know, back in the day, our grandparents or maybe our parents, you know, they used to talk about pensions and being rewarded for staying somewhere for long periods of time. And that's not always the case for what we're meant to be doing to. To have the full experience of our lives and the growth that is available to us. And so there are times that people stay too long because. And I put this in a social post recently just to kind of test out this topic, and what I said was the main reason that people don't make the shifts that they probably should is that good, doesn't suck. And we have this, well, I got good paying benefits.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:05:08]:
Oh, Lord have mercy. It's the trap of all traps. And we believe that change isn't worth it because our brain is always trying to keep us safe. It's always trying to find homeostasis. It believes that same equals safe. And so today we're going to dive into why walking through doors literally resets your brain. We're going to look at the science. What I'm going to talk a little bit about what the Bible says about seasons of transition, signs that you maybe should move on, and what you can do when you feel stuck about making that next step.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:05:43]:
All right, let's get into it, shall we? Let's look at the science about doors and forgetting because we've all had that experience. And what's interesting is people want to attribute to age. And I'm sure that has some factors because our brain probably, probably is working a little harder to access the things we need. But the way I read it was it's really universal. So it's a study that comes from the University of Notre Dame, Go, Indiana. Found that when we walk through a doorway, our brain does something interesting. It resets our memory. So in this study, people moved through a virtual environment, picking up and placing down objects.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:06:23]:
And when they were asked to recall what they were carrying, they struggled more after walking through a doorway than when they stayed in the same room. So scientists call this the location updating effect. Our brain treats doors as event boundaries and refreshes our memory when we step into a new space. So this is why you know, when you walk in a room and you can't remember why you're there. And I think this is really interesting as well, because when you study the nervous system and the vagus nerve and polyvagal theory, the things that impact our nervous system that we, I teach that you should pay attention to to create the conditions to thrive are things about how we nurture ourselves, things about our relationship, and things about our environment. And I will often recommend to people that they think about what environment they need to be in for what tasks and to create environments that you can go to when you need calm. Have a place in your home that represents calmness. So when you go in there, you're like, oh, this is where I chill.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:07:35]:
Have a place that you go to when you need to be creative. Oftentimes, if I need to write something new, whether it's a keynote or I'm working on a book, I will go to a coffee shop and get the contagious energy of productivity and creativity. Or I will at least go to my kitchen table versus my office where I sit here and do other types of work. So I've always known this, but to hear it from this study was really fascinating. So what if those nudges and calls and feelings that we have to make changes, the ones that we resist because we're always trying to keep ourselves safe? As I said, homeostasis. What if we need to let go of some of our old safe situations? Or maybe we need to let go of some relationships, some friendships, some business partnerships, something our actual jobs, to step into the new thing that God has for us because he wants us to grow, prosper and flourish? I Think that's the thing that we often forget, is that nobody wants us to win more than God does. Nobody. And so if we're getting nudges and we believe that we're getting those from a spirit bigger than ourselves, then why wouldn't we be curious at least? So I.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:09:04]:
If this is you listening to this and like you're feeling those signs again, like, you're welcome. If you look at it from a biblical perspective, Jesus uses doors a ton to, to tell stories. You know, John 10:9, I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. So he's literally setting himself up as a symbol or a metaphor about a door. He talks about doors all the time. When I saw this science and this research, I got super intrigued. So the other thing about nudges and doors, that we're supposed to make a change, and I have several examples of this from my own life, is that we don't always know the full path ahead.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:09:51]:
In fact, we never know the full path ahead. If it's God nudging us to open a door because he's taken testing us to see if we have the faith to answer, to open the door and to walk through it. And we pave the way with faith, like, treat faith as like a substance, like it's asphalt. Like we can lay down the road with faith in order to keep moving forward. But he'll give you a nudge. He'll push you through the door. Maybe sometimes if you're not willing to make the change, he'll make it for you. And you'll walk in one day and you'll get fired or the company will get bought or something drastic happens that you weren't prepared for.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:10:38]:
That's usually a gift because your loyalty or your insecurity to make a change is too great. And so that'll just shove you through the door. But then it's up to us to have the faith, to see it as an opportunity and not a problem, and to just keep walking. So when I got the idea about the rise and thrive experience and the Stand Tall in Your Story event, I didn't have the money, I didn't have the resources, I didn't have a lot of the skills. I just had this drop in my spirit that I needed to do this thing, and I couldn't not do it. I was so compelled. I just had to keep going. And I stumbled around and made some mistakes and it's not always been easy.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:11:28]:
And I really didn't Have, I mean I put the first Stand Tall in Your Story event on my credit card. It was a lot of money and it was frightening quite frankly, but the faith filled kind of frightening. Like God was saying, trust me, do you trust me? And I'm so glad that I did because here we were two weeks ago with the sixth event and there were 300, almost 350 people there. So you just keep going. You never know what's about to happen. So if you're waiting, if you feel the nudge, but you're waiting until I need to go get another degree before that'll work or I need more money or I need whatever, fill in the blank. That's your own resistance or that's, you know, the battle of good and evil is happening around us all the time. That's darkness.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:12:21]:
Who doesn't want you to step into growth and opportunity in a big way? So if you're waiting to have all of the pieces and parts to put it together, that's not a thing. If you really want what God has for you, you have to be willing to have the faith that he's going to bring you what you need when you need it. So what are some signs that it's time to move through a door, to move on? How do you know if you're being called to walk through a new door? I'm going to give you five signs that it might be time for a new job, a new role. Something is trying to usher in a new season of life. One is, number one is you're experiencing discontent that won't go away. Now sure we all have bad days, may string a few of them together. But when frustration or, and discontent becomes the norm and you, you really just can't find peace in anything about your day to day life, that could be a sign that something needs to change. Number two, you no longer feel growth or purpose in your life or your work.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:13:36]:
Because if you're not growing, that's not where you were meant to stay. And we can use nature as a metaphor for this. You know, if you, if you try to plant a palm tree in Indiana, you've got a problem, it's not going to grow there. And so if you're not growing, you need to be planted somewhere else. That's nature. We are just basically really sophisticated houseplants. And so pay attention to that. If you are not growing, you're not, that's not where you're meant to stay.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:14:13]:
And what's also interesting about this is we as a society over the past many Many, many years, decades have had this belief that our companies or we're, they're people are supposed to develop us there. I'm not, there's no growth opportunities here. I'm not being developed. Listen, development is your responsibility. Training companies are making gazillions of dollars off of the belief that companies are supposed to train you. And I worked for one for many, many years and I still do some training and development for some of my clients. But I'm going to tell you right now that's your job, is to feel the nudges and then go get what you need to grow and thrive. Don't wait for somebody else to be responsible for your thriving life.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:15:01]:
That's probably a whole nother podcast because I could go on a rant, I could feel it brewing, but I'm just reeling in, thank you, Lord. But God designed us to grow. Bible says he'll take us from glory to glory. That's part of the deal. And so if you're not growing, that's not good. Number three, if doors keep closing or things just keep, like, drying, opportunities keep drying up, like, everything's going to be okay because I'm going to get this new client and then I'll be happier. Everything's going to be okay because I'm going to take on this new role and then I'll feel better, whatever it is. And then all the things that you thought were going to happen, don't.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:15:39]:
And you're like, wait, what's, what's going on? So if you are feel like you're trying to force something that isn't working, it might be time to just surrender that and ask the Lord what he has for you and just take your hands off of everything and see what shows up. And that happened recently with a client of mine who doesn't even believe in, in the God that I believe in. And he's still working in her life. It's funny, I will text her and say, I just prayed to a God you don't believe in for you. And we both giggle. And it's all good. That's what loving each other and true, authentic friendship is about. But she was feeling discontent in the job that she has been really successful in for a while.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:16:24]:
And she built this great framework and some of these, this great systems in this business that she's in and has loved it and I've coached her and it's been wonderful. But all of a sudden she was like, I just am not feeling it. And as we looked at her gifts and talents, she had built everything that needed to be built. And sustaining isn't really her favorite thing. She's a builder. And so lo and behold, she messaged me this week and said, you're not going to believe this. And every time she says that, I think, I'm sure I will because I know who's governing your life. She said, I just got the most amazing job opportunity.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:17:02]:
And she just is, like, so fired up and excited, like for the first time in a while. And she actually went and interviewed for the first interview today. And it is custom fit, good role for her, and I'm so excited to see how that all plays out. So if things aren't going well, you feel disconnected in some way to your role, just surrender. Just let go of it and see what shows up when you take your hands off of it. Number four, you're feeling a stir. Like you have these feelings of, I don't know, there's this thing that I'm kind of interested in, or I might want to change industries, or I might want to start this business, or I might a different career, a new project, a new city. I may want to move.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:17:49]:
It could be anything because, like the palm tree example, if you're a palm tree, you need to get out of Indiana and you need to get yourself to the tropics. So there may be an opportunity for you to move to geographically where you're going, where you're needed, where God needs you to have more impact. And so if you're feeling some nudges, pay attention. Because God speaks to us in desire, in desires of our heart, dreams. And too often our nervous system is so dysregulated, we're feeling so frenetic that we don't access that part of our brain and our subconscious where we can feel those dreams. And what's really fascinating is for my clients that have committed to the stillness practice that you hear me preaching about here all the time, lo and behold, as they start to regulate their nervous system, they start having nudges and desires and what ifs that they haven't had before, because now they have access to that part of their brain. It's fascinating, really. I love it a lot.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:19:00]:
Number five, you have to compromise your values, who you are, to stay where you are. This is a big one. This is probably a whole episode in and of itself. If staying where you are means you're violating your integrity, you're neglecting your family, or you're in any way shrinking who you are, then that's not the place for you, period. Exclamation point, full stop. I don't care what your paying benefits are. If it's sacrificing your integrity and your values and it's tearing apart your family, you best go call me. I'll help you.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:19:46]:
I know I'm saying that like it's just trite and no big deal, but my intent is to say it's non negotiable, like none of that is ever going to be worth it. I don't care how much you make, I don't care what they promised you. I don't care if you were a Sky Miles Medallion member of the super duper humans of the universe, if it's costing you and your values and your integrity or in any way hurting your family. It's not the place for you. And I'm not saying that it won't be uncomfortable for you to consider making a change, but I'm also not saying that you need to sacrifice and sell everything and be poor to be happy. That's the other lie from the pit of hell, is in order to be happy, I have to give up all my flexibility and all my pay and benefits. That's just not true. I have too many examples of clients that are thriving in wonderful jobs, making more money and having more opportunities and bells and whistles because they finally woke up to the truth.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:20:53]:
If you've experienced any of those five things, it's probably a nudge to open the door and at least take a step through it. Okay, so what do you do when you know it's time? So let's say that's one of those five things. Or all those five things are happening and you're like, okay, so now what do I do? I'm glad you asked. Number one for me, always and forever, is to pray for clarity. And maybe you're just kind of stumbling on this and you're like, she talks about God a lot. Yep, sure do. And I pray a lot. But maybe you're just not yet.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:21:33]:
You're just not quite there yet. Okay, then be still. Just be still and ask yourself some of these questions. Because stillness regulates your nervous system, as I said earlier, enough to get to that place in your brain that will help you with clarity. But if you're running around like a chicken with your head cut off and not giving yourself any stillness, you're going to have a really hard time getting clarity. So it's like a snow globe, Snow globe gets all shook up and everything's spinning around. Glittery, fun stuff, challenging stuff. Everything's just spinning all the time you have to sit the snow globe down so that what's inside can see out and what's outside can see in.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:22:13]:
We are the same. And so when you give yourself a practice, a daily practice, ideally you do a few times a day of being still, you can start to hear your own inner thrive guide and know what's best for you. And as you're doing that, journal your thoughts and feelings. Make note of it so you can look at the patterns. This oftentimes just takes a few days. This is not like months and months and months or weeks and weeks and weeks. You the more you are still, the more you pray and ask the Lord will give you clarity. Sometimes like, boom, like that.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:22:51]:
If you're not a journaler, one I'd like for you to be. Because the way that you can start to look at your own patterns and observe your own life is largely through journaling. It's just hugely helpful. So if you're like, I'm not a journaler, maybe you should be. What you can also do is create a separate email account for journaling. So in the middle of the day, if you have a thought, you just email “rebecca's journal at gmail.com” whatever you that's not an actual email address. Well, it may be, but it's not mine. Just create one and then send yourself an email in the midst of all your other work that you're doing so you're at least capturing your thoughts.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:23:28]:
Pick up your phone and do a video. Capture a video of what you're thinking and just put it in a folder on your phone. I don't care the means as much as the act of reflection of yourself, observing yourself is, is really the the key about journaling. Number two, seek wise counsel. Let's define wise, shall we? If you have a mentor or coach, great. This is what my clients use me for. A lot of the time you need a coach, I'm available. Pastors, trusted friends.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:24:02]:
But here's trusted friends. Okay, here's a cautionary tale. And I've talked about this on the show before. The people who love you the most like your parents, your siblings, maybe even your best friend, spouse. Depending on the type of relationship that you have, they really like for you to be safe. Like they really like for you to be safe. And if you're considering a change, going to talk to the people who are not really agents of change themselves are not going to be the encouragement that you need to make a change. So if your mom or dad are beautiful humans who love you, so, so, so so much and they've been in the same job or they retired from the same job, they've lived in the same house for 30, 40, 50, 60 years.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:24:55]:
And you go tell them that you're about to leave your really secure job because you have this nudge that you might need to do something differently. They're probably not going to be the like they might be. My dad was far more encouraging about some changes that I was making that I was surprised to hear because he wished he would have made more change. So I'm not saying it's universally true, but just it's a cautionary tale. Better to go to people that are business minded folks that are going to allow you to just explore some things without being freaked out that you're going to run away to Tahiti and braid hair on the beach and leave your secure company car. I don't know. Just be mindful about who you seek for counsel and I'm available. Like just book a single coaching session with me and I'll help you talk through it.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:25:49]:
Number three, take the first step. Even if you're scared. Even if you're scared. Especially if you're scared. You don't need to have everything all planned out. You just need to take a step and see what happens. And number four, trust that if God is leading, he will provide. Which is tied to number three.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:26:10]:
So that's why it's super handy in, in my world to have a relationship with God in prayer and all the thing to things to get this kind of guidance. It's hugely helpful to know that somebody that is guiding my life knows far more about my life than I do or anybody else. Because God is never going to call you into a new season without equipping you to grow and live well in it. If it's part of his vision, he'll give you the provision. There's all kinds of little quips and things about that. So what is your next move? Is there a door that you've been afraid to walk through? Are you holding on to a job that no longer serves you? Are you dating someone that you shouldn't left a long time ago because you're not growing in that relationship. Do you just feel a nudge to move somewhere and you can't stop thinking about it? Here's my challenge for the week for you. Get quiet.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:27:06]:
Just get quiet and see what bubbles up in that stillness over a consistent few days. If you're good with it, then pray and ask God, is there a door that you're asking me to walk through help me see it more clearly. There are some specific ways that I do pray about things like that. That asking, is this a door that you're opening? And being very clear, saying, if this isn't from you, if this door isn't from you, shut it today. And I'm telling you, you gotta be ready. Cause that when that prayer gets answered, ooh, that can be harsh. That's my daughter because there's been a couple times she started dating people and I'm like, lord, if this one isn't from you, I need you to shut that door right now. And then he does super fast.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:27:51]:
And she's like, are you praying about that again? Listen, I'm just here to help. Ask yourself in prayer, if this new opportunity is supposed to give you peace, ask for the peace. Say, if this is from you, then let me have complete peace about it. Not confusion. And then sometimes you gotta pray for the courage to take that first step. I'm telling you what, I don't have any regrets about any of the scary first steps that I've taken because many of them have led me to the best. The places that I didn't even know to dream about. It led me to do this podcast, to do the stand tall event, to do the masterclass that I've got that starts in a couple weeks.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:28:39]:
Actually, I forgot to tell you about that. I'm going to tell you about that earlier. So if all of this is stirring something up in you, I designed because I dropped this in my spirit. I feel like he gave me this assignment. I have an eight week masterclass to walk you through the neuroscience behind surrendering to the best life possible, even when you don't feel like you know exactly what it's supposed to be. I'm going to help you with that. So go to rebeccafeetwoodhashion.com forward/Business is Human masterclass or message me and I'll send you the link. I love the timing of it because spring, new beginnings, Easter, resurrection, And then in eight weeks we're going to end just before 4th of July.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:29:23]:
So you're going to have a new beginning and then all kinds of freedom that you didn't even know was possible. See how that works? I love that. I hope this was helpful. I'd love your feedback. Let me know how it's going and honest to goodness, if I can help you with this. If you've got something that's just driving you crazy or not, sure, just book a single session with me. Let me ask you some questions and help talk through it and be wise counsel for you. I know I would love nothing more than to be that for you.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession [00:29:52]:
So you know how to get a hold of me. All the socials, Rebecca@wethrive.live is my email. Let's talk about it. All right, that's all for today. 11 minute. Bye you. Thanks for being here. You can follow us on Instagram Business is Human or Tik Tok Rebecca Fleetwood Hession.
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