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Kat Walsh 

Founder and host of Trip On This,

psychedelic advocate, storyteller, DJ of altered wonder. 

Kat has become a bridge, a lantern,

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Featured in Forbes, beloved by seekers,

Kat is proof that purpose isn’t found, 

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She left comfort for calling,

certainty for soul,

and now devotes her life

to helping others reclaim their own inner infinite.

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a storyteller of metamorphosis,

an architect of awe,

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no matter how familiar,

can become a miracle the moment we dare to leap.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life Podcast. I hope everyone's having a beautiful day. I hope the sun is shining. I hope the birds are singing. Before I get started here, let me go ahead and just show everybody what I'm working with. I want everyone to reach out to my friend Ryan Luttrell at Kona Extracts. Use promo code TRUELIFE out there. Do yourself a huge favor. Check out Kona. See what it can do for you. And reach out to my friend Ryan Luttrell at Kona Extracts. Use promo code TRUELIFE. Ladies and gentlemen, Cat Walsh, founder and host of Trip On This, psychedelic advocate, storyteller, DJ of Altered Wonder. Cat has become a bridge, a lantern guiding newcomers across the threshold from ordinary life into extraordinary possibility. Featured in Forbes, beloved by seekers, Kat is proof that purpose isn't found, it's remembered. She left comfort for calling, certainty for soul, and now devotes her life to helping others reclaim their own inner infinite. Kat, thank you so much for being here today. How are you? Dang, thank you for that intro. I'm really good. I'm really good. We were just talking about the Thanksgiving holiday coming up here, but I love that we are getting a chance to do this now. This feels like a perfect send-off into... just holiday feasts and then back into creativity, you know, like I'm feeling pumped and excited in a way that I haven't, uh, honestly that I can't remember feeling in a long time. Like I usually am like in shutdown mode. I want to, but that's because I was just feeling really uninspired in most of my life. And right now it's nice to say that I feel inspired in my life and therefore it feels fun to think about creating and not just how I need to disconnect. Yeah. Yeah, you got a lot of stuff coming up. You got a Vegas trip coming up. You're always over at District two, sixteen, crushing it out there. What do you got coming up? Let me hear what you got going on. Yeah. So District is actually hopefully, hopefully it's still kind of TBD on that one. But if I am, I would be there December third for MJ BizCon. I think they have it to be behind the scenes. It's they have to get a whole like set up for music if they did that. And I don't know if they have. the proper sound system yet for all of that. So TBD on that. My stuff coming up right now is actually more internal. Like I've, like I was just mentioning, I just been working two months on my website, which is just tied to so much of what I'm kind of re-emerging into the world as and and calling forth and um just been creating a lot of content and i've got a couple shows that i can't quite announce yet dj wise um so a lot of things but i wish i had something a little more concrete for you to give you but hopefully december third we'll see Nice. Yeah. It seems there's so much happening right now in the world of psychedelics and creativity and explosion. Like you've been in, you have been in this game for a long time, not only doing your soul, doing solo, what you're doing now, but behind the scenes and television up in the making, making media. What do you, what are you most excited about right now in the world of psychedelics or culture or what are, what are some things on your radar? yeah oh gosh there's so much to be excited about right now you know um and when it comes to psychedelics i think i'll say just so when i when i launched trip on this it was in and i just remember like the whole when i came out was like I'm starting a podcast about psychedelics. I'm basically telling the whole world, I do drugs. I remember, I just felt like one giant side-eye from every bit of my community who has never known me for that. Also, How to Change Your Mind from Michael Pollan had come out one year before, but the mass awareness and consciousness, by the way, we're still not there, but it really wasn't quite there yet. It had just started to kind of breakthrough. And so to see just how far we have come, even for me, five years later, to see just how many people now come to me as the bridge, people who would never have talked to me about this. And now we're like, hey, look, so, and not necessarily because of what they heard from me, but because this willingness for so many people to finally like come out of the psychedelic closet and talk about it, especially our veterans and our first responders, some of these like, you know, real macho guys that do not want to talk about healing and what they don't want to, that's not what they want to talk about and hear. And yet when they can hear Navy SEALs talk about it and they can hear themselves in these total badasses. It's really, really changing things. And then I become somebody they know, they're like, hey, Kat, we're going to get mushrooms. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I mean, that and then obviously the legislation, right? Like there's there's such like just yesterday I saw again, like New Jersey has just pushed through another. It's going to be medicalized first, but there is breakthrough with that. We've got three states now that have legal psilocybin, different parameters around that. But Colorado, Oregon and New Mexico are We also have not Maine. I'm sorry. Maryland has just put through a task force that has an epic potential plan of not just we would start therapeutic. We as in as if I live there, I'm in California, but they we isn't a community. Yeah, we're part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Marilyn would start with therapeutic, but then it would go into supervised just adult use. So not necessarily for like depression or PTSD, but just your ability, you know, human potential, right? Like your ability to explore your own consciousness and then ultimately have a, a commercially viable path for adults to use it at home. And that's, that's big. yeah it's gigantic you start to see it popping up all over the place and yeah i gotta be honest like my my hope is that what we're seeing right now is sort of the late fifties i'm starting to see a little bit of the legalization or maybe the decriminalization but i'm kind of pushing for electric school buses to be touring college campuses and like see this outbreak of music and just I can feel it like right on the cusp. Like I feel like we're right up against the boundaries and you see all these young people coming out with new music and new sounds and new artwork. It's like, oh shit, here it comes. We're going to be part of this. We're going to be part of this right here. I'm so excited for it. Yeah, no, me too. I think there's, I mean, obviously we're in this, we're in such an interesting precipice between psychedelics, but then also like AI, right? Like, and social media, like it's, it's a weird time to be alive, but also really exciting. Like it feels like every day there is, there is really headline news, you know, obviously for many reasons, but like in, in, in the positive side of things, there's just headline news in terms of like, just our progress has been crazy fast. yeah it seems like it's exponential i had a guy telling me yesterday about this thing called the ackerman function and it's not so much exponential as it is like numbers you can't even think of so instead of like one plus one equals two or one two four eight it's like one plus two plus two times two to the fourth like we were just going into how fast technology is moving maybe this is a good segue you and i were talking a little bit before the show about this whole longevity movement And I want to be clear, Kat, like I am for people living well longer. I'm for that. When I see some of this talk about you're going to live forever. My favorite one is this. If you live for ten years, you're going to live forever. No, you're not. Like you are going to die. And like it just makes me so mad. And again, I'm for people living well longer. But this sensationalism, this idea that you're going to live forever, it seems like cancer to me. Am I being too negative on that aspect? What's your thoughts? No, I mean, I, I get it. I, I think the, so the, the don't die platform, right? We were talking about Brian, Brian Johnson. I, I was really curious actually, because there is this obsession with not dying. This is what the transhumanist movement is, is like literally like, how do we, if we can't preserve biology, how do we, actually preserve the consciousness of that person by creating potentially a mind file to put in maybe a non-human form. I'm more with you with this. I mean, I think ultimately trying to escape death. I guess because I'm spiritual, I don't think that there really is an end. Do I want to... Would I like to live long in this life and healthy? Not just long. Do I like the fact that my body ages and that it hurts to do stuff? Not really. I would love to stay young. I mean, I think nature... had a certain kind of genius right with yeah that that by making old age it makes you not want to live forever right like this is the cycle of life because if we were if we never aged why would we want to die right like there's so much to live unless obviously you're going through a very dark depression but aside from that most most people would like when they're in feeling good in their life they they like to stick around and um know i think here's where i think brian johnson has made some interesting points is okay like this idea that basically a lot of us live with like a death wish, like that this life is such a gift, that this ability to have this life and yet our destructive behavior and patterns, the foods we have, alcohol, partying, drugs, right? Like honestly, the phones, screens, not sleeping, that on the very basic level that we are actively actually taking years off of this precious life. And I was like, that's an interesting, that's interesting. Like that, that is a whole consciousness shift around. Do I, it's that I'm not here for a long time. I'm here for a good time. Or that kind of mentality has been, has been a very dominant part of our society. Right. Like I used to date a fireman way back when, and that was his thing. Like he's going to live hard because he's going to die young. And I'm pretty sure he's still around and I'm sure his body's fucking feeling it, you know? Sorry to swear. I will try not to do that. But, but yeah, so, I mean, I think it's, I think it's both. I think it's nice that we still have people that are wanting to preserve longevity. And I don't know if that's necessarily the goal, but the goal to live well, also people die in non, like non-physically. If aging could stop, I mean, or slow way down, I guess it's easier to just say like, oh no, but like, Practically, like, would it be nice to live to like one twenty and that at eighty you're almost like you would be at sixty? Maybe, you know, like I honestly don't know. And I think a lot of the fear is the projection of that the world looks like it does right now. And if it looks like it's right now, then I don't want to keep going. But if we can project if the world actually gets better and there is something worth living and that you want to do, maybe that is something you would want to do. So I think that was a really long winded and unclear answer. That's what I got on that. It was beautiful. I echo so much of that sentiment in that I feel like you do get to live forever on some level. If you want to live forever, you should live in the hearts and the minds of the people you love the most. You should volunteer your time. You should write a really cool book, do a really cool podcast, or more than that, just give to people without wanting anything back. I think you do live forever, but just not in this form. I think when we get caught up in this idea of I want to be in this form forever, it seems like a prolonged adolescence to me. And another part that really bothers me is this idea that if aging is a disease, doesn't that mean that old people are diseased? And then like, how do you look at people like that? Like, oh, that person's diseased. No, they're not. Like wisdom comes from age. Wisdom comes from experience. And when we start conflating this idea of aging as a disease and wisdom, I think it gets into like a pretty slippery slope. Yeah. You've done some work on transhumanism, too. You produced a film or a movie back in the day. What was that all about? Yeah, that's probably why I have a little bit of a soft spot. Of course. I wouldn't say soft spot, but it's more just a general interest, right? Yes. Of possibility. I think I'm always inherently interested in what is possible. Yep. I also don't think like our ability to create is also inherently spiritual. Um, you know, I think even, even creating AI itself to me is a spiritual act that through the incredible creative power of the human, we have created more create like incredible creative, uh, like basically another form of like consciousness. And, um, do I think that we also make mistakes because we just keep building a thing that we don't understand? I think we all saw Jurassic park, right? Like that goes when we, we can build the thing just, and just because we can, should we, um, I think is definitely more of like a philosophical question. Yeah. This show that I created was called, um, this is not my life. And it was, it was, uh, it was around the idea of, um, in a post-singularity world. So the technological singularity is an idea by this man named Ray Kurzweil, who's one of the top futurists in the world and has been for a very long time. And so the show was actually based around him as our inspiration, if you will. And it was both the themes of kind of like a midlife crisis, but also in a transhumanist world. So he wakes up to not recognize his wife and his kids and his family that he's built. And so we played with these themes of some really like relatable human aspects of did I not live the fullness of the life that I really wanted to live? But, and it was also this idea that the technological singularity had already happened. And what does that mean for the nuclear family? What does it mean to, if you lose a child, To be able to have a hologram of all of their memories and personality traits and all these things where you can potentially interact with a memory file that feels very real of your deceased child. So it would be very provocative for people because there's going to be people that really hate that idea. And then there's going to be people that are going to go, huh, that's interesting. Like, would I... want that feeling of comfort, even though I know it's not real. And so, yeah, I mean, we really looked into all the different transhumanist, some of the big principles. So like both biologically, how do we live longer? But we really focus on consciousness. So like creating mind files, like basically consciousness imprints of every memory, how you talk. This is real science that is happening through Martine Rothblatt. And her wife, Bina, is also one of the first robots, AI robots. And she's been using, like creating this advanced, basically a copy as much as you can of her wife. so that she can ultimately live forever, right? And so we brought in what sounds super, super sci-fi into some real questions of, like, what happens to the soul? Like, you know, is this soul? Is this just what makes soul? Like, really, really asking some of those deep questions, and I think those are the best shows, personally, is the ones that make you think. Yeah, I love it. It is interesting to think about what on some level it sounds to me as if when we make these copies or if you have this sort of you know, when androids dream this PKD understanding of like what the world may look like, or you see people creating sort of copies of ones they've loved on one level. I'm like, that's like such a creative genius. Then I wonder like what atrophies, like on some level, are you denying yourself a new love? Are you allowing yourself to move forward if you are constantly going back and revisiting it? And I can speak to this because my son had died and I have pictures of him and I think about him all the time. but I don't know that I would want a robot of him. Of course, I don't have one, but I could see how people could fall or grow into that idea of always having around someone you love. It's fascinating. What did that... are there episodes of that show? Did that show go live? No, it, unfortunately we got to the, I know we were, we had it set up with a studio, but it's, if anybody listens, that's in Hollywood, it's, it's very hard to finally get that like last green light, you know, to do it. It was going to be done with a Canadian, a Canadian broadcaster and an American broadcaster. And yeah, we got close, but it didn't, it didn't go. And I think it was a little, it had, of its time, actually, because this was I don't know, fifteen years ago or something. This is way before AI that we know, like this is way before. So we it sounded really sci fi to the network. And today it's still pretty would be pretty sci fi. But like the technology is much more well known now. It also played with this idea that once we get to this post-singularity world and we have basically like BCIs in our brain, which is a brain computer interface, and are communicating that there is no, almost like separation. You're almost like a little bit more, it forces transparency. So we were dealing with this, we were working with this idea that like, while it's gonna be uncomfortable, like the uncomfortable truth in the beginning, that actually through transparency, we end up coming more into a state of like oneness with each other. And so again, like those spiritual ideas of like separation and non-separation, but that's kind of what those brain computer phases might do. Like they create potentially a hive mind. Obviously we can look a very dystopian version of that and that can not be a good thing, right? So it's a... don't say it's a brave new world that we're coming into because hopefully it's it's uh not all dystopian but i'm sure there's going to be i think it's going to be both you know i think there's going to be some great things like science yeah and medical i mean i i do think ai is gonna just blow us away when it comes to health that that is the one area where i'm like oh Well, it's going to be able to sequence and see patterns in, in DNA and, and papers that we have never seen before. I mean, we might have precision medicine individually, you know, imagine a little AI that's just monitoring your body. It's in you. Okay. You give up that on one hand, a little bit of your own privacy, whatever that looks like. On the other hand, it's fully just scanning your body all the time to make sure no cells are radicalizing or right. So like it might solve all the major diseases or catch it way early so that you can actually heal it. So on that end, I feel very optimistic and hopeful as long as our mental health and our ability to socialize is intact, you know? It's fascinating to me to think it. think as we begin to learn more about the ailments inside our bodies we begin to learn more about the ailments of society you know when you think about cancer in the body and rogue cells like you start thinking about like rogue ideas of economics and rogue ideas of all these things happening and stuff but if i jump for a second yeah cat i think that Like for me, when I talk to you and I've gotten to talk to you a little bit in Denver and hang out with you a little bit, I think you are really this bridge because you have not only made been creative in the space before like podcasting or people becoming influencers kind of jump that jump that lake over there. But now you're doing it on the other side. Can you talk to us a little bit about what it's like, what you saw when you were making movies and making films, and then now that you're doing it on your own, how do you see creativity evolving in that space? Are we moving into this space where everyone's their own brand? Or maybe you could speak to that idea a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a great question. Yeah. So when I... Just for anybody listening, my background was I started at a large talent agency called CIA. I was a baby agent, essentially, in the talent department. And for about three years, which I would equate to about twelve years, in regular years three extremely long years um and then i went into tv development like we've been talking about as the director of development so like identifying projects and what would make interesting shows um and then uh and then i went into influencer marketing ironically on the other side of things Um, on the business side, talking to brands about why they should talk to, you know, they should utilize people that have a platform on social media. And then, uh, I was in creative marketing. So working with big brands on overseeing accounts for like BMW and HBO and how to market their movies and entertainment and stuff. And so having that, um, Having that background, first of all, was the greatest gift for me, you know, because every moment of that is like not realizing, right. If we don't see the whole tapestry of our life, not realizing how every moment of those jobs understanding, like, what is it to represent talent? What is it to develop story and tell a story? What is it to literally create social media marketing campaigns for something? So the idea of getting to finally like step into that honestly took me a lot longer. I would, if only I just used my training for myself, but it's funny that when we, and I'm not the first one to say this, like oftentimes we can easily dish out what people should do in order to grow and do things. But when it's us, I think we have to come up against ourselves and our stuff. You know, I think being on it, being an entrepreneur is so spiritual inherently. It's such a, deeply personal development path, because then you have to come up with all of your self-limiting beliefs and the things that you don't realize, like how you self-sabotage and you wouldn't call it that, but like you are, you know? And so at that time it was still like very gated. Social media had obviously been around, but the power of the studio, the power of the talent agency was still the dominant force out there. And what that meant was less opportunity for more cats of the world that wasn't in this small sliver of people that got their break in that world. I mean, the explosion of TikTok, actually, particularly in twenty twenty. Right. It really took off during the pandemic. I mean, what an explosion for creators, really and truly. And now TikTok ends up being the thing that like the studios and TV shows and everything struggle with. That kind of new media is taking the attention and the eyeballs from people you know, from the screen, from the normal TV screen. And so I think there's always going to be a place for like that really like beautiful, robust storytelling where a bunch of people come together. And I love a great show. I love the creative... You know, the thoughtfulness and the fact that like all those people got together to create that. And there's so much more opportunity now to create the art that you want to create because we have something called an algorithm. And that algorithm is so powerful, especially on TikTok. And YouTube. But it's so powerful that you can make this niche, whatever. You want to make heavy metal electronic about outer space. And, like, through... your little niche, you can find people that also want to listen to metal about being on another planet, you know, like, okay, because of this. And so I think there's going to be a boom ultimately in creativity and it's going to allow a lot of people that never thought of themselves as creative or never thought they were going to make it down that traditional path and probably weren't because it was such a limited amount Now you can. Whether it's for an outcome or not, the act of creating will keep you out of depression. It is when you are in the seat of the consumer and you're just watching TV or like, I know after one scroll too many, I suddenly feel the drop in my mental health, a hundred percent. And so I was like, but when I'm in a creative seat, whether that's just... creating content or creating on my website, it could literally be anything, but that I'm in the creator seat, that flip and that sense of purpose returns to me. That is wonderful. I couldn't agree more. I think the answer to consumerism is creativity. And we all have it. You just got to find that little ember inside of you and blow on it and watch it burn and then watch it keep other people warm. And you're like, look at this. This is amazing. And you just kind of flow into it. It's amazing. I think about that aspect. I got, um, who do we got coming? I'll get some questions stacking up over here. Shout out to, uh, everybody watching us over there. Polar nights. Who cares? I see you guys all over. Thank you for being here and hanging out with us. Joshua Moyer says, did someone say heavy metal electronic? I was just thinking of that. I'm like, she talking about Joshua Moyer over there. That's hilarious. It's so funny. It just happens to be very much in the zeitgeist for me right now because I made a very viral video a couple days ago about bass face, also known as stank face, fizz face, depending on who you are and whatever genre that you listen to. And funny enough, it was I was specifically talking about electronic music when it comes to bass, but it found its way into the heavy metal stream as well. So now I've got heavy metal electronic all up on my stink face slash bass face when I'm listening to music. So there is an audience. Yeah, without a doubt. It's interesting to see that aspect. Let me jump over here to – this comes from Hannah. Hannah from New Orleans says, Kat, in an age where truth is a hologram and lies wear business suits, what compass do you trust to navigate your way through it? That's a really beautiful question and well put. Thanks, Hannah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to make this not sound cheesy, but my own heart, right? If I'm living from a place like a heart space. I trust myself. It is when I start mentally. Like trying to look out to the world for something that feels right to me, that's when I can get lost on that. And so for me, it's really about getting quiet and I have to hear myself and I have to oftentimes I'll ask myself out loud and like challenge ideas and beliefs. if something doesn't quite feel right. And if something doesn't feel like It's as subtle as I had made a video on my TikTok. It was about, I was giving an opinion about five MEO DMT that was recently synthesized and patented by a company, which made it so that the DEA could pass it. And I gave a quick talk about my feelings about it. And while it did well, I felt a real hesitation in myself to post it then again on Instagram. Because there was some part of myself that wasn't sure if I understood what I was saying enough. I didn't understand. Is that really true for me? Like, I don't know. Not that it wasn't true. I wasn't not true. But it wasn't so firmly rooted in, like, do I even know enough to have that feeling? feeling and opinion? I don't think I do. And it was a learning in that moment of don't speak unless you really, what you believe in your heart is true. Now, what I believe in my heart is true might absolutely not be right to somebody else, but that's how you withstand the opinions of the world is you have to be anchored in what is right and true for you. And not necessarily just to be loud. There's a can't just get views and i mean it's very easy to go viral if you just want to piss people off yeah but i mean that's not my interest is to lift people up so how to make that interesting you know and still viral is a whole other question but yeah i hope that answered your question it's just about that like that truth and and not moving forward until that that real sense of like yeah no this is right for me and then go for it and then that might change you might learn as you grow and whatever like actually you know what i new information i've changed and now i can look at that but don't let that stop you some future version that has grown and changed don't worry about that i listen to like old trip on this episodes i'm like believe okay a little little need a little i wouldn't have said it like that now but okay you know that's where i was then and that's fine because i believed it so fully then and not that it was wrong but it's how i said it you know what i mean i love that like hannah that was a great question and it makes me have all these follow-ups this idea of I think for anybody who's creating out there, it's imperative that you understand the feeling of what you're creating before you put it out there. Sometimes you just put stuff out there and it works or whatever, but maybe we could dig into that feeling. I know there's been times for me where I'm like, my heart will start racing. I'm like, dude, should I post that? And I bet you other creators come up against that too. Like, is this something that you want to post? Cause you're already thinking about what may happen, what might not happen, but maybe you could like dig in a little bit deeper and talk about, do you get that feeling sometimes when you have something that's really good? Or maybe you could talk about that a little bit. I think it'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. I get that feeling, especially when something is a little edgy, you know, when I perceive it as, okay, am I ready to be disagreed with? Am I ready to be misunderstood potentially? Am I ready for just the, just the experience of, of, perception in a big way. So I think that there's one, there's a nervous system response that happens. There's two experiences that I feel sometimes with that. And this is this is discernment at the end of the day is am I is the nervousness I'm feeling because I'm sharing something that is vulnerable and true. But there's something so deep inside me that knows that this is for me to post and that there's some growth there. aspect of posting this that I need to do. And then I think there's another version of that feeling that could be more of like a heads up warning, like this cat before you like mayday a little bit, like, and, and, and that I, if only there was only one feeling, you know, like if only that would really simplify things. Um, I dialogue it out. I actually, before I post it, I really get clear first. I do my best to get it. I will draft that until I can come into a place of power and fully recognize whatever is happening inside me to do it. Because I do think that when you put anything energetically out in the world, that energetic signature is on it. When I am nervous about something happening and I put it out there and there's like one thing, that thing... almost always happens. It's like, it's embedded in the energetic of the creation itself, the message itself. I mean, I know this is a little esoteric, but it almost happens all the time. The thing that I think I'm afraid of shows up, you know? And so I think it's just so important. I just, and this is just a little detour, but like, I really try to, if I'm feeling like not great or, resistant, not in a good mood, not burned out, I step away from my creative projects because that is the last thing that I want to put into my baby. Usually I just need a nap. I need to rest or I need to take a walk or something. And then I'm back and I'm enthused to do it. So I do think it's just so important that the like my posts that do well is because i am genuinely excited about what i'm saying like that genuine excitement and joy is the thing that people feel before they even know what you're saying and i think that's really where the energy that's where energy is the highest currency beyond what you're saying you know like i think that the the the there's a communication that's happening the second yeah i love it it's so interesting and i think this is I think back in COVID, when everybody moved to TikTok or Zoom, there was this real question about, can you project the felt presence of the other through media this way? And I think for a long time, it was like, it's different, doesn't quite work. And there are some aspects that are different. Like if we're sitting next to each other, I'm going to get a lot of different cues, like some body language or maybe some pheromones or something like that. But I really believe that we're getting to a point, maybe it's the language we're using. I love the idea of the energetic signature, but I really think that's beginning to translate like a real transmission of like the felt presence through sort of the virtual world. Am I imagining that? Or what are your thoughts on that? No, I think you're right. And I think it's also because we're all just getting better at being in front of a camera. Forever, I would say, man, I wish I could create content in the same flavor and flow and ease and humor that I... am when I talk to a friend without this camera on suddenly I'll just, I can be flowing and funny and dah, dah, dah, dah. And then the camera comes on. I'm like, you know, like I suddenly don't know what I am saying. I, I, I think I need to do more or, you know? Um, and so this is, I think we're all in media training at the end of the day is the, the, the, the closing the gap between who you actually are when the camera comes on and who you are in real life is the gift. Those that are really, really captivating and good on camera is because that is who they are, you know, as close, close to that gap is closed. But the further the gap, the more it feels real cats over here. And here's camera cat doing over here. It, it's flatter. I think that's where people have that. That's where we, that's where we grow into. I mean, I look at my old content. I was like, yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes. But bless her heart. That is where I was at. We all have to start somewhere. And like, George, you are who you I've met you. So like you are who you are all the time. But and also you've done like I was so impressed when I heard like over seven hundred episodes. It shows that you're able to just translate you so well through the camera. And that and that is a gift that we're all getting better at. Yeah, I think so. Shout out to Tanya Griffin. Tanya Griffin has an incredible channel. People should be checking her out. She's a rock star. Tanya, thank you for being here. I'm looking forward to our conversation coming up in a little bit. It kind of brings up this question for me, Kat. You have played really big venues. You've played music to large crowds. Is it similar? The feeling you get performing in a live audience versus putting out a video to a virtual audience. Do you get the same feeling in there? Um... I would say it's a little different for me. Um, it going live is going my own live. Like for some reason, going live with you is, is different than me just going live on social media, but that's me just trying to think like, how do I entertain you? You know, like I just really, really need, that's an area of growth for me is to just go live on my own. Um, but Music is specifically feels different for me because music is... Well, first I go through, is this the moment I forget how to DJ? Okay. So there's always like a stage performance moment typically, unless I've played a venue quite often, like little less now with District. But there comes a moment almost every time I was like, and this is the moment I forgot how to beat match, you know, like in front of this huge crowd. I think that's probably just a product of just the more that I do it, the less that that will... happen. Um, I haven't hit that point yet where like, because I'm not just a DJ, I'm not, I don't have those reps in quite the same way as a, just a pure traveling DJ that's doing it probably more, even though I play it my, in my room often. putting together mixes and stuff to keep my skills up, really, so that I can minimize that fear. But there's such a joy and a self-expression and a physicality to my sets. I dance as hard as anybody else would be dancing on the dance floor. So for me, it's really more flow state when I can get into that place. And that's why I like to, I mean, this is just a personal taste for me as a DJ. My best sets are more prepared. I know the journey that I would like to take the audience on. And because of that, Not only the transitions and the way in which I have a lot of vocal tracks in my stuff. So the way in which I'm phrase matching, but I'm out of my head so that I can actually be in the performance more. So it's a little bit more in the performance mode of like, I'm dancing, I'm having fun. So it actually, the technical part is secondary for me. Um, so yeah, it's, there's, there's both, uh, when I'm hosting and like hosting on a stage and DJing, there's always like a performance moment. Um, but then the, the, the, the energy of a dance floor is just pretty, it's magical. Yeah. Like you're in it. You're part of it. Yeah. You're not only creating, but you're part of the whole on some level. Jessie, our friend Jessie comes up. What's up, Jessie? Thanks for being here. Everybody should check out. Jessie's got new books coming out. Jessie, when are those going to come out? Jessie, let's see them. She says, I love the idea of creativity as a mood elevator, antidepressant, engaging your imagination for the purpose of creating, giving it a job, a project. Direction means it's not being used for rumination, anxiety. That's beautiful. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly like I would just the one note I would say to that is like if if there's one anecdote to like if you're feeling in a funk or if you're feeling depressed or anxious is to literally not do nothing is actually to just channel it into something because there's just too much energy in the body. Like it just doesn't even know what to do with itself. And then it can manifest into anxiety or, or depression because then you're not doing something. And look, I get it. I've been at the places where I'm like, I know I should do something. And then I don't. And then I feel even worse about myself for not doing it. But if you, if the more that we can just, it's like, it's like if you're depressed to help somebody else, you know, it's actually like, if you're feeling, if you're not feeling great, be in service to someone else, take the spotlight off yourself and move it towards, something either artistic or something that's helpful. And it's amazing how it can just boom and moods change like this, you know, good or bad, you know, but we're not as stuck if we just sometimes just move our body. Yeah, that's beautifully said. It makes me think, Kat, like you are always in community, like whether you're playing music, whether you're doing some content for other people, always around people. Like what is your relationship to community? Like what do you think about when I say community and how does it play a part in your life? Yeah. Oh, I mean, I, I love people. Like I really, life is worth living because of others to me personally. Like it is, it's fun to have your own solo experiences, you know? And I, and I actually, ironically, I spend a lot of time alone. But, but my, to like, just come back to dance again, you know, when I think to my friend Megan is coming up for me. We both love house music. Like we are obsessed. She's my dancing queen and partner. And we've had just the joy that we have shared on a dance floor was just, it's so special, you know, and it doesn't have to be said. And then the community of A bunch of adults here dancing to house music in a park? Y'all are my people, right? And then community continues. It's like that little Russian dolls of community. And then through the community on the internet, which is such a cool way to connect with so many people that we might have not been able to connect with. I mean, as much of how difficult social media can also be for mental health, it's also an amazing gift. To be able to do this, like what a cool thing that, that again, like when we talk about access, normal people to have access to create their life. Amazing. Yeah, that is amazing. I love the idea of access and how Pretty much anything you want to be part of is at your fingertips if you're just willing to go out there. And if you have a little bit of courage to put yourself out there, to put your ideas out there, to put your thoughts out there in a way that's engaging and respectful of others and helpful and maybe even a little challenging. But man, that idea of just getting to be part of something bigger than yourself really breathes life into you and who you are. Let me bring up, I got some more people stacking up over here. Owen Vale, Owen Vale from Kyoto, Japan. What's up, Owen? Thanks for being here. He says, yeah, shout out to Japan. Owen doesn't sound like a very Japanese name there, Owen. He says, if history is a psychedelic feedback loop, what moment do you think we keep reliving? Hmm. Okay. Um, the first thing that's coming up, I can feel my heart being like, uh, do I know this? Um, okay. So I think the moment that we are reliving right now is the, it's one of two things, either the, the railroad moment when we built the railroad, um, and, or the invention of the internet. We are at the, we are at the precipice and, and okay, let's take the internet, the invention of the internet, which is actually not that long ago. Um, That was met with an enormous amount of fear, right? First Y-to-K, hilarious. Yeah, I remember that. Hilarious. I'm a millennial, so you might not remember Y-to-K if you're a Gen Z. But we thought the world was going to end, basically, when the clocks changed. Anyway, the clocks could handle the year change into two thousand. But also, it was also a scary time for brick and mortar businesses, right? malls and and and then a legit and a legitimate fear because that did fundamentally change everything right like there were there was going to be there was growing pains with the internet um certainly with businesses and factories and we're seeing it still with malls like That time is evolving and changing out. And what's come in its place, this thing called the internet, which actually created way more jobs, right? Way, way, way more online stores, you know, the influencer, right? Or a content, digital content creators, right? um so many just like people being able to create films themselves right beyond just like social media and so i think that's the moment that we're in is we're in that fear state moment with ai like uh that this is it this is the collapse because we can't see what's coming yet we actually just don't know and and hopefully it's not just dystopian maybe it is like i think there's going to be jobs in the same way that the internet took them out that's going to happen with ai but what the what's going to arise in its uh in that void space might be completely new if you know ai doesn't do all of that it doesn't literally do everything but um i do think getting together you know like what what can ai not do is it can't You know, like and I think the hope is that it actually pushes us back into community, you know, and that we use AI to actually give ourself more time back. Not now in your forty hour work week. Here's how much more we can do. That's a very that's a very capitalistic idea. Right. You're still working you forty hours. But now you can get a month worth of work done in a week. That to me is not a consciousness evolution. What would be really cool is as a business owner, it was OK, I want you using AI. Obviously, I want you doing this. I want you to use the resources. And full time is now thirty hours a week. Or thirty two hours a week. I want to give you your life back. I want to give you time to go do more stuff. Then I think I would people can get on board with the fact that they can actually get their time back, which is the most precious thing that we have on this earth. I love it. There's so much to think about on that aspect of it. There's a great quote that says, the inventor of a technology is usually the worst person to tell you what that technology is going to do for people. And I think for a lot of the time, and we're seeing it now, there's so many layoffs and there's all this talk about collapse and these things. And in some way we've been using or AI has been told it's going to make you more productive at your job. Maybe. But I think what's also happening is it's making you more productive as an individual for your own goals. And maybe this sort of contraction that we're seeing in the labor market, this contraction that we're seeing in society is just sort of a regrouping so people can bloom again. If you think about the world as like seasons, the same way an apple tree or a deciduous tree loses its leaves and then it grows back fuller. I think like we're in that aspect. And you said something earlier too about how the idea of – We went from brick and mortar to online. I think you're seeing that transition back. Like I know I work at a TikTok studio sometimes and they sell blind box toys. I didn't know what a blind box toy was. And then all of a sudden, not only are they selling them on TikTok, but now they're opening these stores and you're starting to see individual creators open stores. So you're starting to see this ebb and flow back into the world. I think it's an amazing time to think about. It's a great one. Yeah. I like the pause. I mean, I think it's just important that we continue to remember to like have our eyes wide open with what's happening with tech and also to imagine the world that we want, you know, like we, we have to keep project. We have to, know the future that we want to have and I, and, and what that looks like, you know? And I think that's having vision ultimately. Yes. And vision is, is we need to define the vision certainly for our life, but I think it's, I think it is important. And I think it is our responsibility as people, in a society to also envision the community, the society that we want to live in and the community and what that feels like. And, you know, when we see the, the, the wealth disparity, like, do we want to see that? Like, is that, does that feel good that we see that there is, that this is crazy, you know, like, and, and, not to say that you have to be the ones necessarily solve it. I wouldn't know how to do that, but just, but just, but just allowing your, allowing the, even the thought process to be there and not just shutting down of this. I'm so powerless in this whole thing. And just, you know, the more that we can just vision our life and then vision for others, I think is that's how we ultimately change the world incrementally. But I think it's, it's individual. It has to start individually. And then it, that's the ripple. yeah i love that my friend lila lang i got her up on the stage over here she says love equals resonance with another observer observes creativity equals resonance with the field everything else is an illusion usually messy for those listening uh you guys should click on lila lang's pot on her link right here or just look her up and look at some of the papers she's written She's really, her and I have had some pretty cool discussions. But one thing that we were talking about, Kat, is this idea of remembering. And a lot of people think of remembering as going back and replaying a moment in your life. But what if remembering is actually remembering yourself, like putting yourself back together in a way? I think that speaks to your idea of becoming the best version of yourself and rippling out. But what do you think about the word remembering? What comes to mind when I say that? Well, I mean, I would absolutely, that's how I think of it. You know, whether it's remembering self-discovery to me is the same. It's the discovery of- just the vastness of power and love and joy and limitless possibility that exists in all of us. I think that's from that spiritual aspect, just remembering that seed of the creator, right? I don't mean that in a religious context, but just the ability to create something is inside of us. And I think that it is the most exciting thing that a human being can do is to know thyself because within knowing thyself and remembering just how amazing you are and powerful you are and able-bodied you are to change your life, that type of empowerment brings so much joy and wonder and it brings a vibrancy back to life. I was so bored and stressed for most of my life. bored and stressed i feel like the world to me looked like a muted palette of colors and i would have pops of good times through going out i've always been good at having fun you know and but oftentimes they were really blurry good times you know and but i would live for the weekends and everything else was about passing time everything and That's because I lived out here. I didn't have any connection to myself and really getting quiet with myself and really knowing that I have all the answers, what I need here inside me. That's not to say that you can't, part of that knowing that is to call upon the people that feel right to you to also help guide your path, right? It doesn't mean you're solo doing it, Um, but that even the guidance to talk to someone is still a, it starts with your own inner guidance system. And, uh, and yeah, I mean, I think it was once, that's what psychedelics did for me, right? Is like, it connected me back to the, the, that was my divine connection back then. to God, source, universe, self. All of those to me are synonyms. Those are synonyms. That's a synonymous thing. So by connecting myself back to myself and doing all the things and self-love and really understanding what does it mean to, what is self-love? Like, what does that mean? And all the ways that I would dishonor myself and da-da-da-da, you know? And this is not a quick process. I don't know how else to like, I think we wish that there was like this quick... path to it and maybe for some but like for me it has not been it's been a slow and steady process of peeling away just things that were you know i i that i adopted whether it was from family from from society from the world itself that is the world itself is living in the illusion you know like it's madness you know like what is actually happening you know like and and realizing like okay Once you start to discover all of your amazingness, the world comes alive. It comes alive, and then everything that you ever wanted starts to happen because you are the thing that is so attractive. I wish I brought that home a little closer, clearer, but you know what I'm saying? I know exactly what you're saying. You're speaking to my heart right here. When I think of transformation, you're right, it doesn't happen. I was reading... I think it was in Lila's papers again. She was talking, or at least what I discerned from them is that the new pattern of you can probably take up to three years. Like if you think about this idea of saying yes to all the things you've ever wanted to be, And you got to say no to the parts that were holding you back. And like, that is not an easy process. Like you fall into old patterns, but if you continue to say yes, it's almost like you don't collapse that wave function on some level. Like you're saying yes, like you're creating this new neural hardware, the same way we see in those brain scans of psychedelics where new neural networks are being moved and the default mode network is turned off. Like you're, literally changing your perception of yourself and you're changing your relationship with everything in the world so when you said all of a sudden the world starts answering you and start start showing you and giving you all these things that you've always wanted it's like you are rewriting the code of who you are and attracting all those things into your life it's pretty amazing Yeah, it is. And it's actually simple. But it's simple and not. But it is simple in that, like, it's literally you. Like, one of my big mushroom trips, I thought I was going to – my intention was, like, I'm going to blast off into the ether and I'm going to see guides. I'm going to go beyond the veil. And it was so human. It was just as human as you get. And then I – you know, grace comes in. And it just goes – what were you looking for? You know, like, what was it? And I just, I laughed and I smiled and I said, I am my prayer. I am the thing. When I pray, I am praying to myself, the aspect of myself that can do it all and that all of it is holy. When I'm fearful and small, when I'm contracted, when I'm falling into my stuff, it's all holy. it the, you know, like none of it, it's not when I'm just in my elevated state and I'm feeling and trusting in this and that, you know? And so, yeah, just that knowing of like, Oh, I am my prayer. Like, yes. Okay. And, uh, it changes everything. It really does because it brings a level of empowerment back. That doesn't mean that I, I'm not in constant communication with my own spirit realm, but I, but I try, I try to like, I catch when I feel like I'm high arcing, high arcing. I can't even say it. Something outside of me, you know, it's very easy to feel like the universe is out here and I'm speaking to it in this and that, but I have to keep reminding myself, like you are speaking to the universe within and around a little bit. It's, it's all one here, but yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting process, the awakening process, if you will. Yeah. It is interesting. What is your... What is your relationship with psychedelics? Maybe I'll start with me. For me, I went through some phases until recently where I would do like really big doses. And then I would use like particularly mushrooms. Like I would do some large doses, like six to ten grams. And then maybe once a month. And then I would back that up with like smaller micro doses throughout the week. And that will kind of keep me in touch. That was probably like a year ago I was doing that. But I sort of moved on to like, like, ten UGs of LSD for maybe once a week or twice a month or something on that aspect. And that seems to be something that grounds me and keeps me in that zone a little bit. But I'm curious if you could talk about, like, your psychedelic use and how you use them if you have a regimen. Yeah, yeah. Great question. First of all, shout out to the ten micrograms of LSD. If only. Unfortunately, that feels like LSD is such a scary one for our country, certainly, and certainly the government. boy, would we have a much more productive, sharp society and we would probably ditch Adderall. It's such a better, it's such a clear focus for me personally. Obviously I can't say that for everybody, but, um, yeah, I love that little shout out. I too like to have, um, I go in like little phases. This is how I would say it. I mean, when I first started my like really, I mean, I did mushrooms when I was sixteen, but that that doesn't really count. I didn't do it again for fifteen years, if that tells you anything about my experience. And then I did it again. Big macros, very emotional, wasn't fun. So I was like, OK, I don't need to do this for like at least a year. And it wasn't until in in twenty nineteen is really when I started doing a bunch of mushrooms. And I did a lot of mushrooms at that time. I also was pairing it with MDMA and I was in community and so it was fun, right? Like when you, suddenly when you pair it with MDMA, the emotional stuff of mushrooms is met with something that just chemically feels really good, right? You just have so much dopamine and serotonin now dropping into your system because of MTMA. And so that was, I was doing it a lot then. And I think it was part of my evolution at the time. I quickly was on a quick hyper and by a lot, I mean like probably like twice a month in like bigger experiences. Yeah. And in fun. Like, it wasn't, like, ceremonial at the time for me. And then the following year, it was more ceremonial. Probably I would do a big one once a quarter. Yeah. Because it's still a lot, you know. Mushroom ceremonies are just a bunch of crying revelations. They're beautiful. But, like, they're not, like, a walk in the park necessarily, even if you've done it a bunch. Yeah. And then I never really – I microdose actually for three months in a row when I was just launching trip on this. And I really do credit that too. I was learning like twenty seven new things. I couldn't believe the amount of like new information. I was self-teaching myself. And I do think that the having and I was on the stamina stack, which was five days. five days on, two days off for three months. So my brain was constantly in a more flexible state and psilocybin puts your brain in a flexible state for learning. So there is potential that the rigidness of thought is now softening so that you can learn something new easier. That's still being studied, but that would be essentially the idea. And now today... I haven't even done a big mushroom trip this year. I've done... bigger social, uh, um, experiences with, uh, certainly on my birthday. Um, but again, like not, not like, not like I'm not, not even, not even a gram, you know, not even a gram at once. Um, and by like now I feel like my sensitivity is also less. So like I'll have a little square of nootropics and I'm like, I'm good. Like I'm very much feeling it. And so, I'm not even a big microdoser these days, although I've had a couple in the last couple of days. I've been feeling really good. I mean, I think this is part of part of what I think psychedelics do is that they come into your life when you need them. Yeah. But right now, I think I'm just I'm in that state. I'm in a receptive, open state. I'm listening. I'm carving out that time every morning and quiet to meditate, to journal, to get myself ready. At night, I'm carving out that time for myself to get into a meditative state, to do whatever is calling to me to take care of my spirit. And I think that's always what the mushrooms were asking me to do. And now that I'm doing that, just because it feels good, because I can actually see the difference in my life, it's like they haven't really called me forward as much. And then I would say the other times like I do love to go dance. And so I'll take mushrooms dancing with me or LSD up to about a quarter dose. So like twenty five micrograms. I am kind of tripping on twenty five. Like, yeah, that is that is a lot. That is an experience. Yeah. By that point, by that point. So, yeah, that's kind of my my regimen at this point. But it's it's varied over the years. I love it. It reminds me of the Alan Watts quote that says, once you get the message, you can hang up the phone. I think there's a lot of truth to it. And I love the way... it echoes my, it echoes my experience in a lot of ways too. Like, I think it does come to you when you need it. And like, there are some tremendous learning curves that you can overcome if you're in the right frame of mind. And if you're in a good place and you're using it in a way that is creativity, that is this creative, I think you can really step up your game with imagination and take it to the next level. And obviously I'm not endorsed. I don't, I'm not telling anybody to listen to this. They should go out and do psychedelics. I'm just speaking on my own, my own experience on that aspect. of it yeah it's thanks for sharing that i got a renee sinclair coming from kingston she says what art form do you believe will become the next political revolution oh political revolution I think dance. I mean, I know that's not even a new one necessarily, but I think physically moving together in unity and whatever that means is going to be the thing because, first of all, the tech domination that we see is counting on our eyeballs, right? And our fighting, both fight and our attention are the two like main ways that they can get us you know like and they can really and and it's getting so sophisticated with like how to really plug you in you know the algorithms like fighting and discourse does well it wants that and and once we know that that this is designed to get me mad this is designed to make me other myself from this person or to, you know, it, it gives, it's almost like mustache twirling villains out here with social media sometimes. And, and the algorithm loves that and that the people that run the tech. And so I think what's going to be so radical is it's like putting down the phones and literally getting together, like, and whatever we can. And, and to me, moving the body is, is the thing that many, many, many people I think are missing now. because we're so sedentary. Most, most men are not like, I mean, they're still obviously like men that pick up and do labor and stuff, but a lot of work for men and women is no longer with our hands. Some obviously with blue collar, but so much of it is not. There's so much video games and so much of this. And so it's, We need to get embodied. This is where we release oxytocin. This is where the serotonin comes. When you hug a person for like, twenty-seven seconds, that's when oxytocin is released in the body. And all of these feel-good, loving chemicals happen in the brain from just getting together and hugging another human. And so I think that's going to be the radical act of... loving rebellion is to just call back our humanness. I love it. That's an awesome aspect of it. And there's something so community based about it too. When you see large people dancing together, like there's this feeling of joy that comes in almost like it's contagious and it radiates outwards. I've seen some interesting experiments where there were some people at a concert and they were just dancing all crazy, like way over there. And at first people were like looking at them and laughing. And then somebody got up and joined them and another person joined them. And next thing you know, it's everybody dancing together. Yeah. It's such a beautiful form of communication. I love that. If there's one, most people don't. But once the second person comes, that second person, if you ever see one person dancing, just know that the second person is the one that can shift the entire trajectory of that dance floor. So if you ever get the opportunity by having two suddenly... that can ignite a whole different vibe. Three, forget it. Now we've already got it going. But it's joining that first person. That one is not necessarily going to be it. That's still too scary and too isolated. I forgot where I had either read that or watched that, but I was like, that checks out. So yeah, you can literally create a dance floor if you see just one person on there, be the second or third. I think that also speaks to ideas too. Like if someone has an idea and then someone joins that idea, it's like pretty soon you have a whole movement, right? Totally. Exactly. A hundred percent. Yes. Yeah. We don't, people don't want to like be out on a limb, you know, like that's very, that's just, yeah. That's just biology at its best. That's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. We want to be accepted by the group. We don't want to be the weirdo that's separated from the group. So that person's the scary person. They have separated themselves and they're doing something that the group is not doing. And we have to look around. Do we agree? What do we do? It takes the next brave person to say, I like that, but there's strength in numbers. Yeah. That's... It's interesting that you brought up dance as the next revolution. Now we're talking about ideas. We're pretty much talking about revolution on that level. I think you're right. I think dance might be the way to go. I just think we need – it's joy. Joy is the most powerful – joy and love are the most powerful forces in the universe. And the thing is, on a dance floor, when you are outside of your mind, especially off a screen, and you are dancing and sharing the dance floor with so many different types of people in this shared experience – with the music, with the ability to even like, it's self-conscious to dance. Even the ability to say, I'm going to do this anyway, even if I feel silly and that we're all going to do it together. And like, that is so, it's just so powerful. And I think this is, you know, this comes back to actually the days of, the sixties, right? Part of really the main reason why we have the controlled substances act is because the government lost control of a bunch of people that did not want to go to war. They did not want to fight. And they were starting to think for themselves. They did not want to To subscribe to what the government's that control fear stuff. They wanted to dance and play and have fun and they became hard to control. And then they shut it down. You know, it was a way to shut down. Black, Brown, and the anti-war movement. That is what, and that was who was against Nixon. It was a way to target those that weren't politically aligned with him. And so there's still power within that. I'm not saying that we should all just do, I think there was an over probably use of LSD also in the sixties. Nobody knew what it was. There was no set in sight. There was no education around it. So maybe people probably overdid it at times, but that's just human nature also. humans overdo stuff we overdo it with alcohol we overdo it with partying we overdo it so i think it just ultimately comes down to education at the end of the day i love that you know there's a great book called when It's called, what is it called? I think it's called Black Elk Speaks. And it's the story of a medicine man talking about when we were moving west and they rounded up all these indigenous people. And I forgot the exact battle this was, but people should read that book, When Black Elk Speaks. And he was talking about, all these soldiers had rounded up all these indigenous people and they were up in this camp and they started dancing. And like when it's like everything was fine until they started dancing and then it made all the soldiers really nervous. Like, what are they doing? What are they celebrating? Why are they dancing? You know, and like all of a sudden it's everything broke loose. But it reminds me of that because you were talking about the sixties and education and What do you think about this idea? I'm working with some people that it's called Reform Twenty Twenty Five, Dr. Stephen Bazell and Julia L. Hodge. And they're talking about this idea of reforming the idea of health in the U.S. and they want to bring it to the government. Could you see in this in today's day and age, people going and speaking on campus about health reform and that becoming a movement? Oh, absolutely. I think we're hungry for it. Not only do I think it can happen, I think it's ripe for it. I mean, we're seeing it right now with our healthcare. This is... The idea... that so many, that healthcare still is the thing that bankrupts people here in the richest country in the world is crazy. We are the richest country in the world. And we are like, we're like in health. We're like on the list of healthy countries. There's at least countries that are in the in health. That's that shouldn't be acceptable for us. Right? Like that means this is like two folds. Like why, why I will forever be upset that organic is you have to be well, that is a premium to not have poison crops. Like what are we talking about? That's, that's ludicrous. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So I have to be well off in order to not have my food poisoned or all these growth hormones. And it's a, it's a, it's a, premium to, to have food like that, like roundup, like the things that we are, are doing. And it's just, there's so much we can do for health and medicine. Cause it's both like, yeah, it's we taking care of our body and our vessel. And that also means that's, that's a systemic thing as well. Right? Like Whole foods should be accessible for everybody, not just processed crap and fast food that we know makes you sick. It's okay. You can have it a little bit, but that's what... Why, like, having, like, actual, like, chicken and crops and things, the fact that that's not an even accessible thing for so many people is inherently the thing that needs to be reformed. And we can. We can. And I think enough people just – I think it does take some organization at the end of the day, right? Like, it does take the people that are putting forward the stuff. But, I mean, I know for myself, and maybe this is because I've just grown up being – liberal all my life and a Democrat, but I'm like, I don't mind my taxes going towards something like that. I don't mind helping the whole society lift it up. I'm not saying not to be in a ridiculous level, but like, we help each other we help ourselves like even if you want to be self-serving it helps ourselves when everybody's thriving it helps it helps business it helps everything except maybe the the the business of medicine you know that's the only thing that maybe and i'm not a medicine hater but obviously you know i think the first thing with diabetes it's like We should also – you should also – it's great that there's insulin, especially because there's diabetics that are one. And two, like I know I've got people in my life that have that. But their doctors never said, and by the way, what are you eating? Like, you know, I think there just needs to be a little bit of an education around it all and a bigger push. Yeah. I'm so excited to see this – this like the next generation of people that are just standing up and regardless of where you're at like when I see people in the streets with signs like I get excited like these people have had too much these they are not going to take it anymore and it's so interesting being in California like you see there's all these protests that are going on and I can't help but think like We're really close. Like there's just these little things that divide us, like these little wedges that get put in between us. But in reality, people want to have a house they can afford. They want their kids life to be better. They want to have good food. And like, I can really see it. I can see an outbreak of, of radical racism. health reform something that unites everybody the younger generation the older generation republicans democrats i think we're really close to that it's yeah it's something that i really feel is on the forefront so yeah i think i think once we get it together i think you should come and speak at some of these college events what do you think Yeah. I'd love to. Yeah, definitely. Let me, let me know. I mean, I'm not, I'm not certainly not an expert in them except to say like, just however I can lend my voice to better living, you know, at the end of the day, like I, and I, here's one that I would really love to create accessibility around personally is around fun and joy. I think, I think accessibility is missing in like the absolute privilege it has been to be able to go to music festivals for me, life-changing. It is so fun. It is so amazing to be in that kind of community. And it's really expensive. That is a real luxury to go to. And a lot of people, they can't do that right now. And I feel like that kind of communal joy needs, we need a new, I would love like a nonprofit to help with like creating opportunities it is not a nice to have. I think I fully believe it's a must have. We are missing the joy and the fun for so many because so many are in survival, which aptly. So obviously going, going out dancing doesn't seem like a priority when you can barely eat. And that's why I feel like there should, it would, it would love it. Maybe it'll be me one day to like create, even if it's like, you know, having like, uh, like okay so in in la uh there's there's always like festival type events like day events in parks here so like ground park um and l.a historic park and all these other ones and so but insomniac and all these big companies are putting it on it's an event they make a lot of money from it that's great um but i was like but we can do this for the community actually like if this all we need is a sound system you know we we need the sound system get that sponsored by brands that are looking out for the community i mean i i know brands have to figure out an angle but like more science and more realizing like realizing like the bring people but bring people together give them real experiences of this kind of like the joy and the fun and that is fuel yeah you can hold that kind of love and community and it it's like, it's hope it actually, it fuels hope because if you're just, it's hard to feel hopeful when you have no like little cracks, cracks to even, to even, to move into that space. And, um, yeah, I would like to bring fun as an accessible thing for us and as a priority. man i'm in how do i support your non-profit over there let's do that it sounds pretty fun right yeah yeah we'll see we'll see yeah definitely it's my highest joy you know i mean obviously not everybody's joy is going to be dancing but i think a lot of people would like it more than they think they've never been it reminds me too of like you know We talk a lot about in psychedelics, there's a lot of language around like the medical container. But the recreational container seems to be almost just as medicinal. Like we do have lots of people that can benefit with like PTSD or some mental illness. But I think recreation, like recreational use is just as positive. And it may stop people from having these mental crises if they just had a little bit more recreation in their life. I truly believe that. I mean, and, and maybe recreation makes it sound too. That's the word that I know is used really often, but, but I think, yeah, I think it just sounds like it's like, it's too light when actually it could be like the best form of therapy, you know, like you want to know how I can really get my mind, get like move even, I don't even have to go to a place. I mean, really just putting on music and allowing myself to dance in my room, getting past my resistance, especially if I'm not feeling it. I can eventually like kind of charge up some, some of that good old pharmacy in my brain here. I've just, you know, dopamine and serotonin and it feels really good. And I, my personal journey has been through joy that like my opening into my spiritual path and becoming the woman I am today has, was through joy. That was my, that was my healing was through joy. Then I found my way into crying and, contemplation and and stuff but it was through psychedelic joy to be to be very clear psychedelics plus community like i was with friends like six or seven friends psychedelics bomb ass music just completely cracked my heart open and and once there's an opening that's all it takes then it's then the opening it's begun, you know, and you don't need to continue to do that. Like once that little opening happens, you just get to feel like know when you're when you're happy when you're joyful when you're trusting when you don't feel the weight of the world and that that fear of survival on you when you can get those glimmers those moments that i'm okay we're we're better friends we're better lovers we're better spouses we're better to our you know like there are children parents um and and that's why i think it's a necessity is because like our well-being affects everything and everyone And it's time to like just prioritize that and whatever it is for others, you know, and find ways to like literally like support that, support that financially, you know, because right now that just gets always put to the side and understandably. And yet then I think it creates a vicious, but that's inherently the paradox is because when you don't have that, then life feels hard and difficult. frustrating and scary and so it's hard then to get yourself even into a magnetic place to change your life so there there's there's a real need to connect to joy in order to get to break through just the density of the fear that so many of us can feel yeah i'm reminded of the roomie quote the wound is where the light comes in. If you can just be cracked open a little bit, everything will flow the way it's supposed to flow out there. Kat Walsh, you are amazing. I'm so stoked to get to talk to you and hang out with you. This conversation, I was only supposed to take you to an hour, like an hour and a half over here. I'm grateful for all the work you're doing, for you being someone who's an advocate for joy and love and psychedelics and the podcast and all the media you're putting out there. I think you're a phenomenal creator. And before we land the plane over here, I was hopeful that maybe you could take a little bit of time to tell people where they can find you, what you have coming up and what you're excited about. Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for having me. This is really fun. This is one of the actually the most fun conversations I've had because I love that we got to just talk about so many different subjects. Oftentimes people just ask me about psychedelics and it's so fun to talk about transhumanism. Like, excellent. Cool. I'm Life with Kat Walsh, Kat with a K on all social media. I'm basically just on Instagram and TikTok. I will be launching my sub stack in the new year. So that's coming soon. That will also be at life with Kat Walsh. My website, my new website will be launched next week, which is really, really exciting. You can find all the things that I do and how we could work together. I'm a host, whether that's a show host or a onstage host, like an MC host. I'm a digital creator, so I make social media content. I work with brands. And then what else do I do? Oh, my DJ. Hi. My DJ alias is called Kat's Meow. And through you'll see that also tagged with my at life with Kat Walsh. That's just kind of how I funnel things. everything and um yeah i'm just creating content i'm letting life kind of guide me and show me where to go next um don't have any uh dj shows coming up yet but if you follow me um in my link tree on any of my socials you'll see a mailing list at for my sub stack and that will have like all the uh All the info about upcoming shows and things like that. That's going to be kind of like my email list going forward. So thank you all so much for tuning in. This was so fun to just go down all these wonderful roads. And George, thank you. Yeah, I'm grateful for your time. Everybody that hung out with us today. Thank you so much for hanging out with us for Hannah, Jack. 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