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Welcome to the deep dive. So what if humanity's, last desperate search for a new home led them right to an intelligent alien civilization?
Speaker 2:But here's the twist, a civilization we accidentally started.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Today, we're digging into Adrian Tchaikovsky's incredible novel Children of Time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get ready. We're gonna explore some seriously surprising turns in evolution.
Speaker 1:And challenge, you know, what sentience even is
Speaker 2:and maybe figure out what it takes to truly understand something completely other.
Speaker 1:It's an amazing story. A tiny, almost accidental spark of life gets a nudge.
Speaker 2:And just explodes Mhmm. Into something magnificent, complex, totally unexpected.
Speaker 1:And the kicker, the original creators, they might not even recognize what they made when they finally meet it.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. So at its core, Children of Time, it weaves together these two huge stories right.
Speaker 1:Right. On one hand, you've got the, well, the last shreds of humanity. They're on this ark ship, the Gildemuth.
Speaker 2:Fleeing a dead earth. It's this desperate centuries, no millennia long trip.
Speaker 1:Waking Waking up, going back to sleep, dealing with their own power struggles, even mutiny. It's grim.
Speaker 2:And then the other thread, we watch life just astonishingly evolve on this terraformed planet, Kern's world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a project started by Doctor. Avrana Kern. Her big idea: Uplift monkeys with a nanovirus, create sentient servants.
Speaker 2:But, things didn't quite go according to plan. Fate, sabotage, maybe a bit of both.
Speaker 1:Totally derailed. Kern herself ends up in cryo sleep, her mind uploaded, basically becoming this remote AI God figure.
Speaker 2:Watching from orbit. Yeah. A God to the creature she helped create. But the monkeys.
Speaker 1:They never made it.
Speaker 2:Nope. The nanovirus container burns up, but the virus itself survives, floats down.
Speaker 1:And finds a different host. Spiders.
Speaker 2:Spiders. And over tens of thousands of years, this planet develops this complex, tech savvy civilization. Totally alien but also weirdly familiar.
Speaker 1:So that's our mission today really, to unpack what happens when these two groups, the last humans and these evolved spiders finally meet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the big takeaways are going be about how evolution finds these really unique paths.
Speaker 1:What sentience actually means beyond looking human.
Speaker 2:And how incredibly hard but vital it is to communicate with, well, the other. Okay. Let's dig into that first point. This unexpected evolution.
Speaker 1:Right. Imagine planning for monkeys and what you get is
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. A whole civilization of super smart web spinning spiders.
Speaker 2:Kern's nanovirus. It was built for primates. Boost brain size, speed up learning.
Speaker 1:But nope. Monkey container gone, virus lands, finds the local spiders.
Speaker 2:And boom, accelerated evolution. We follow lineages like Portia starting as these clever hunters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, their three d mapping skills are amazing.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And they become these highly intelligent social beings, complex societies.
Speaker 1:And their tech isn't like ours, right? It's all silk based and Totally.
Speaker 2:Intricate silk structures, manipulating ant colonies for labor, even war. Eventually huge silk airships traveling into space.
Speaker 1:Wow. So the intended outcome just went out the window?
Speaker 2:Completely subverted. It shows evolution isn't about becoming human like, it's just adaptation.
Speaker 1:Life finds a way,
Speaker 2:Given the right push. Yeah. It innovates in ways we couldn't even imagine or control. Yeah. The spiders thrive in conditions we couldn't develop tech we wouldn't.
Speaker 2:It's a totally different but successful path to intelligence.
Speaker 1:It's mind bending. But there's more to their rapid rise than just biology, isn't there? Something about knowledge transfer.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. That brings us to the understandings. This is key.
Speaker 1:Okay. Tell us about those.
Speaker 2:So the nanovirus doesn't just speed up evolution. It lets them pass down acquired knowledge, skills, genetically to their kids.
Speaker 1:Genetically, not just instinct.
Speaker 2:No, actual complex knowledge. Think of it like a biological internet embedded in them. It lets them skip the slow crawl of learning generation by generation. Their development just skyrockets.
Speaker 1:So they're basically downloading centuries of progress instantly. That's that changes everything. Does that play out socially?
Speaker 2:Well, later on, their own scientists like Bianca and Fabian figure out how to transfer these understandings between adults.
Speaker 1:You're kidding.
Speaker 2:Nope. It creates this literal economy of knowledge. You can trade skills, concepts like astronomy or medicine almost instantly.
Speaker 1:Okay, stop. The implications. Think about that for our world. Instant education.
Speaker 2:Right. How would society change? Innovation. Art. If knowledge wasn't this slow, hard won thing, it's a massive what if.
Speaker 1:Okay. So we've got super evolving spiders with downloadable knowledge, but there's still Doctor. Kern, the god in orbit. Uh-huh. And you mentioned things get interesting because she's not exactly benevolent what happens there.
Speaker 2:Well, no, not really. She spent millennia alone up there in her sentry pod. Her consciousness is fused with the AI systems.
Speaker 1:Isolated?
Speaker 2:Extremely. And she sees the arriving humans, the Gilgamesh, as a direct threat to her world. To her monkeys as she still calls the spiders.
Speaker 1:Still calls them monkeys. Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So her isolation, her belief in her original mission, it twists. She becomes this, well, totalitarian god figure for the spiders. Protective, maybe, but controlling. Hostile to any interference.
Speaker 2:She destroys human probes.
Speaker 1:And meanwhile, down on the Gilgamesh Chaos.
Speaker 2:Commander Guyan, the leader, is obsessed with reclaiming this promised green world, their ancestors' world. He's wrestling with mutiny, dwindling resources
Speaker 1:The weight of being the last humans.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And it leads him to make terrible decisions. He actually prepares the ship for war against Kern's satellite. He thinks it's their destiny.
Speaker 1:So both sides are trapped by their legacies in a way?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It really highlights the danger of unchecked power, that kind of extreme isolation, cleaning too tightly to the past. Kern's well intentioned legacy becomes this burden. Gyan's sense of destiny leads to conflict.
Speaker 1:It forces you to think about how history and responsibility can drive people to control others, sometimes with awful results. Kern creates this rigid religion for the spiders.
Speaker 2:While Gion pushes his people towards self destruction.
Speaker 1:Which brings up that huge question the book keeps asking.
Speaker 2:What is humanity? What defines sentience?
Speaker 1:Right. Because the Gilgamesh crew themselves, after all that time, they're not us anymore. They've drifted culturally. They seem almost alien to their own past. Thin, different values.
Speaker 2:They even worship the originals like Holston Mason, the historian who keeps waking up.
Speaker 1:And then you have the spiders, eight legs, totally alien bodies.
Speaker 2:But they show complex emotions, art, religion, science, war. You end up relating to them deeply.
Speaker 1:So how does it resolve when they finally make contact?
Speaker 2:It's fascinating, the spiders eventually develop another nanovirus, a targeted one.
Speaker 1:For humans?
Speaker 2:Yes. It changes human brain chemistry, removes that instinctive fear and revulsion towards spiders. More than that, it creates this feeling of kinship, makes humans feel like they are like us.
Speaker 1:Wow! So it's not just tolerance, it's engineered empathy.
Speaker 2:Essentially, yeah. It allows for actual integration, the human kids are even eventually hybridized, sharing traits. It's a radical shift in perception.
Speaker 1:That idea of radical empathy, seeing the other as fundamentally like you, that's powerful. It makes you question our own biases.
Speaker 2:Definitely. It forces us to look beyond just the physical form.
Speaker 1:Okay. So we've gone deep into the evolution, the legacy issues. Let's pull back a bit. Talk about what really makes this book shine and maybe, you know, any points where it felt a bit stretched, book club style.
Speaker 2:Alright. Strengths first. For me, number one has to be the world building and the speculative biology. It's just audacious.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. Tchaikovsky forces you to rethink intelligence. The spider cities, the biotech with the ants. It's incredible detail.
Speaker 2:You really believe it? And second, that dual narrative structure.
Speaker 1:Yes. The tension between the human struggle and the spider rise is just masterful. You feel the weight of both sides, the vastness of time.
Speaker 2:Couldn't agree more. Third, the philosophical depth. It's not just sci fi action.
Speaker 1:No, it really makes you think. Consciousness, intelligence, creation, being a god, big stuff.
Speaker 2:And fourth, just the uniqueness of the first contact. It's not just random aliens.
Speaker 1:Right. It's us meeting something That fundamentally shifts the dynamic. Reevaluating our place, you know?
Speaker 2:Okay. Critiques. Any quibbles?
Speaker 1:Well, for me, sometimes the pacing on the human side felt a little slow, especially with Holston waking up again and again. The politics on the Gilgamesh dragged a tiny bit compared to the spider stuff.
Speaker 2:I can see that. Though I also think that slow grinding pace emphasizes the human despair, maybe. Makes the contrast sharper.
Speaker 1:That's fair. My other thought was maybe some human characters besides Holston and Lane.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Lane was great. Resourceful.
Speaker 1:Right. But some others felt maybe a bit less developed than the spiders. More like plot devices sometimes, especially as the crew fractured.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. I get that. Their individual arcs weren't always as strong as say Porsches or Bianca's.
Speaker 1:Okay, so inspired by the book making us feel for spiders, let's try an exercise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's give you something practical. Try this. For one day, pick a nonhuman creature you see. An insect, a bird, your dog, whatever.
Speaker 1:And don't just watch it, really try to imagine the world from its point of view. How does it sense things? What are its goals? Fears? Challenges?
Speaker 2:Yeah, think about Portia mapping her world in three d or Fabian using chemical signals. How does their body shape their intelligence?
Speaker 1:It's a great way to shake off our human centric view. Develop some curiosity about other life.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Okay, second exercise. Thinking about Doctor. Kern and the Gilgamesh crew burdened by legacy.
Speaker 1:Let's bring that home. Think about a big long term decision you've made, or maybe one you're facing now.
Speaker 2:And consider not just what you intend to happen right away.
Speaker 1:But the unintended consequences. Way down the line. Years, decades maybe.
Speaker 2:How might someone with totally different values in a different future context see the legacy of that choice?
Speaker 1:It encourages that long term thinking, you know? Yeah. Responsibility, understanding impact.
Speaker 2:Practice. Wow. Okay. So if Children of Time blew you away with its scale, its biology, the high stakes
Speaker 1:Then you absolutely have to check out Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir.
Speaker 2:Oh, great pairing. Yeah. Both have that humanity's last hope vibe. Super clever problem solving.
Speaker 1:Really unique aliens in both.
Speaker 2:And those core themes. Mhmm. Cooperation, ingenuity, figuring out what it means to be alive and intelligent out there.
Speaker 1:Definitely. Okay. As we wrap up this deep dive, let's try and capture its essence. We put together a little haiku.
Speaker 2:Let's hear it.
Speaker 1:Okay. Silk roads softly wind. New mines and webs so grandly spun. Starlight finds their kind.
Speaker 2:Nice. I like the rhyme.
Speaker 1:So ultimately, Children of Time, it's more than just a great space story, isn't it? It holds up a mirror.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. To us, our capacity for creation, destruction
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Ambition, prejudice, all of it.
Speaker 1:But maybe the biggest lesson, the most powerful one is that potential for radical empathy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Challenging our definitions of us and them. Imagining a future where coexistence isn't just putting up with difference.
Speaker 1:But truly understanding and accepting vastly different life.
Speaker 2:So the final thought to leave you with. What little nanovirus of understanding could you maybe unleash in your own life?
Speaker 1:To see the world and maybe see each other with fresh eyes.