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The boys start off with an AI created intro, Marijn gets winded up about the use of "and honestly" he sees everywhere, Steve talks about lady gardens, but they are interrupted by a ruckus on the street. Thank goodness there is a Danish Dirty Bastard!
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What is Office 365 Distilled?
This podcast is presented by Marijn and Steve; two experienced Microsoft 365 and SharePoint consultants. In each podcast you will get a smile or two with a chunk of interesting and practical help in Microsoft 365. Then you get introduced you to what we hope is a Whisky you have not tasted before.
Hey. Hey.
Speaker 2:Alright. Let's talk about Microsoft three sixty five because here's the thing. Most companies didn't actually implement Microsoft three sixty five. They just kind of ended up with it. It's a bit like IKEA furniture, except nobody has the manual and somehow there are extra pieces everywhere.
Speaker 1:Exactly. And one door doesn't close, but nobody wants to touch it anymore. That's your line.
Speaker 2:That's my line.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Give me back here. My line says, wait. So you're telling me my tenant is basically a half built wardrobe.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And one door doesn't close, but so basically somebody turned on teams, someone migrated some files, somebody clicked share with everyone back in 2021.
Speaker 1:Historic moment.
Speaker 2:And then just hope for the best.
Speaker 1:Always we hope for the best.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Bold strategy still ongoing.
Speaker 1:Legacy decision. We respect that.
Speaker 2:And now fast forward a few years, you've got 300 teams, five versions of the same document, a SharePoint structure that made sense to exactly one person.
Speaker 1:Let me guess. He left.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Promotions, new job, inner peace.
Speaker 1:And we're still living with his folder names.
Speaker 2:Yes. It's final underscore v seven underscore real underscore final underscore last. This one is now part of company heritage.
Speaker 1:That's the governance document. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then Microsoft shows up like, hey, your Scopilot is going to make everything smarter.
Speaker 1:Dangerous sentence, boy. Dangerous sentence.
Speaker 2:And then you're like, fantastic. Can it also tell me where my files are?
Speaker 1:Follow-up question. Which version?
Speaker 2:Exactly. Because that's the real story. Right? Copilot doesn't fix your environment. It reflects it.
Speaker 2:Oh, no. It's basically a mirror, but instead of your face, it shows your governance mistakes.
Speaker 1:I don't like mine.
Speaker 2:It takes everything that already exists, the good, the bad.
Speaker 1:And why is this shared with the entire company, including interns?
Speaker 2:Exactly that one. And it makes it searchable, summarizable, and extremely confident about it.
Speaker 1:What's the worst part? No. That's the worst
Speaker 2:That's the worst part. Yeah. I found 12 documents that might be relevant.
Speaker 1:And none of them are.
Speaker 2:But I feel very strongly about this answer.
Speaker 1:Confidence level CEO.
Speaker 2:So today we're not talking about features. We're not talking about roadmaps. We're talking about the stuff nobody puts in the keynote.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes. The after party reality. We like after parties.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Real. So welcome to Microsoft 365 Distilled.
Speaker 1:Embrace yourself.
Speaker 2:Where we take the buzzwords and replace them with reality.
Speaker 1:Excellent. That was cool.
Speaker 2:I hope that kind of sounded like well thought true and and very...
Speaker 1:Well rehearsed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not like off the cuff. No. With one phone between us. Exactly. I should have changed my glasses from my driving glasses.
Speaker 2:Joking. That's why. So basically, we have a full blown heat wave. So we ended up having some beers, having some...
Speaker 1:Then we had Indian food in a heat wave. Yeah. Well, they do it, eat Indian food in hot weather, I suppose. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then we thought, let's find a nice serious subject to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And who else... Who who do we call?
Speaker 1:Oh, I wanna say Ghostbusters, but I couldn't think of anything quick.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:We kinda basically... Well, Marijn was just resting his full stomach of curry, and I was setting up some kit. So I said, hey. He said, I'm gonna ask AI. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Came up with 75 titles.
Speaker 2:Yeah. With a number of titles of topics Yeah. That we might wanna talk
Speaker 1:So we're just gonna do them in order.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Some of them might just warrant a comment. Some of them may redirect them to David, to Kevin. David? The fuck's David?
Speaker 2:David. Kevin,
Speaker 1:David. David. So maybe we just redirect the view to Kevin, and and then we'll see actually what happens because he's... He'll come back to us. He always does, but we will get back to it later.
Speaker 1:So I'm not looking at your telephone anymore. I'm just gonna watch this being recorded. And you know what's really cool today is I'm Marijn, and you're Steve. Uh-huh. I must remember we're the wrong way around.
Speaker 1:Damn. Oh, well. Nothing like giving me more work to do. The microphones are in the wrong channels. Don't worry.
Speaker 2:Okay. Do you wanna switch?
Speaker 1:No. Okay. I don't mind. Just... I was trying to work out why your meter was going up and down and you weren't talking when I was talking.
Speaker 1:It's a heart day.
Speaker 2:I bet that took a few seconds to sink in.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So we've also both coming back from nasty horrible colds this weekend. Yeah. So we might start coughing and sniffing, but it's not catching.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not for you. Audio, wave, catchable.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. Not yet. And so that's it. And so we're in my place.
Speaker 1:We got all the windows open. So Antwerp traffic is just driving past. Yeah. And I think, if I'm honest, my real heartfelt feeling about this is I don't give a shit. Let's just go for it.
Speaker 2:See, you said something very important. Something that has been, how do you call that? Something that every time I see it, time I see somebody using it, it kind of, yeah. Oh really? Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's the word or it's that little sentence and honestly dot dot dot. I'm seeing that so often in LinkedIn posts. There are a few people that are using it all the time. This thing happened and honestly this is how I feel about it. All the freaking time.
Speaker 2:I can't stand it. Is that is that
Speaker 1:some... I think you need to get I
Speaker 2:know it's very... Every time I see that, and I'm... It's it's just from some people. Is that some kind of AI slob that's...
Speaker 1:No. It's been around for a long, long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. No. I I I know. But I mean...
Speaker 2:So now I'm seeing this from a number of people.
Speaker 1:People are generating the stuff on AI.
Speaker 2:Oh, no. I know people are generating a bunch of LinkedIn posts, but I'm always seeing the same thing. So is that something that's like typical Claude or typical grok or typical chatty pity? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh, fingerprinting AI. I don't know. But it really winds you up.
Speaker 2:It winds me up. Yeah. Because it's always It's the same
Speaker 1:You're of the chilled out people I know
Speaker 2:and... I saw hot air balloon today. And honestly, I felt pretty good about it.
Speaker 1:Need a name for this.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:We need a name for this. You know, like you get certain kinds of girls that everybody's calling
Speaker 2:awesome?
Speaker 1:No. Who knows? That's you and I maybe. But no, there's a Claire. Claire.
Speaker 1:She's acting like a Claire. You know, my kids do it all
Speaker 2:the time. Like a a Karen. A Karen, that's
Speaker 1:the word.
Speaker 2:Karen, that's the one. Yes.
Speaker 1:It was a kuh. The other kind of kuh. Yeah. Then...
Speaker 2:The lady with the kuh. Yeah. Let's not call her a kuh. No, please
Speaker 1:don't. Okay. Oh, god. I'm coughing again. So we'll call that a Dave.
Speaker 1:Yes. Get a Dave.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But talking about calling it a cur.
Speaker 2:It's... So you got a a guy that's a hunk, and then you got a lady that's a okay. Karen, Karen
Speaker 1:and Dave. And Dave says, in all honesty, amazing. But do you catch, have you caught the Instagram video from the Royal Garden Festival in London where they talk That about the look Lady
Speaker 2:like something, or that doesn't sound like something that would pop up on my Instagram
Speaker 1:to Well, be do a search for Lady Garden. Apparently, it's an association called Lady Garden, and the Lady Garden is their genitalia. So they call it the Lady Garden, they cut a video going around the royal garden show, which is full of all these asking women what they call their genitals. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Few years ago, we had kind of the same... There was the same kind of argument in Dutch. And they were talking about parents, how they talk with their children when it's about genitalia. And, so for example, in Dutch, a penis would be a pemol, a pemolcher, like a small small pemolcher from a little boy. And then, they also had the name for the lady bit, and that was called a miemolcher.
Speaker 2:And I thought that was that was so cool. You had a pea mulcher and a mee mulcher. I thought that was that was the cutest word ever.
Speaker 1:It was so funny watching these women because the middle aged plus women, they're a garden show. It's not like you get a lot of teenagers there. They were just embarrassed to hell, but they had to Really?
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. They thought they would be like all over Oh, this
Speaker 1:yeah. They were mostly were all over it, but it was very funny. Okay. But apparently, they call it a lady garden.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1:One assumes it grows.
Speaker 2:Sure. I
Speaker 1:mean, otherwise it would be a lady desert.
Speaker 2:You need to trim the hedges? Yeah. Get Okay.
Speaker 1:We're here.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We're not that kind of podcast basically, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:We always kinda want to be. True. We always said we'd do something. Never actually get around to it. We're too busy just recently.
Speaker 2:It's true. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. We've been talking about doing a very rude...
Speaker 1:The dirty hour. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The dirty hour. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe in summertime. Yeah. But then would we release it on this channel?
Speaker 1:I don't No. No. No. People would have to be by special invitation only. What would the intro be?
Speaker 1:You have been warned. This is disgusting. You should not listen to this x rated content. But in all honesty, it is funny. It's true.
Speaker 2:You you said... Like, we we were just talking about I've Instagram
Speaker 1:seen his face.
Speaker 2:Instagram content, and you said it's it's it's dirty. So there... I saw this video and that made me laugh very loud is that men only want one thing and it's dirty. And then there's a guy, so wash it then. I thought that was just brilliant.
Speaker 2:Anyway, let's talk Microsoft three
Speaker 1:sixty five. I I have to say, I think in talking about Instagram, way it's getting around the rules because they want to try and put a lot of decency rules on it. There was
Speaker 2:a... Not on my feet.
Speaker 1:Well, no, but I mean, it's very clever the way they get around it. Yeah. So there was a lady sitting on a bed. She got her dress on. She's reading a book, and the words come up, you know, you should always show your husband what he's gonna eat for dinner.
Speaker 1:And at which point, she opens her legs and this bloke falls onto the bed with his hand under his chin. So what are you thinking? Close, not quite over the edge, but it's very clever the way it sort of pulls out. So it's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1:I missed and I hit the floor, but that's the point. Yes, they don't like to be here parking on my street. They get very annoyed. Fight. It's a fight.
Speaker 1:Yes. Oh, it's all part of the fun. I think I might have get into it just because somebody's trying to reverse into a space.
Speaker 2:Alright. Cool.
Speaker 1:Alright. So what we're do today because we've been rabbiting on here for fifteen minutes about Lady Gardens, and I'll let you say it.
Speaker 2:And and hunky dunks.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, and and in all honesty.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We're not we're not getting anywhere.
Speaker 1:No, we're not getting anywhere.
Speaker 2:So, okay. So AI came up with 10 spicy, bold, well, 10 spicy statements that we could talk about.
Speaker 1:So I need you to read them in a typical American newscaster voice. So this is it. The head 10 headlines on m three sixty five.
Speaker 2:You want me to read all 10 of them? No. One.
Speaker 1:No. It's just... Whenever we're gonna do one, then you get Out of the news. Okay. Whether...
Speaker 1:On the 10:00 news tonight.
Speaker 2:Microsoft three sixty five isn't a platform. It's a choose your own disaster book. I like it. It's a good quote.
Speaker 1:It's not a platform. Choose your own disaster book.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like choose your own adventure, but everything ends in disaster. Okay, I can see that. So why that is that multiple sources describe how self-service creation across teams, SharePoint and groups lead to sprawl if governance is not in place. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2:Governance is going governance is going to be part of most of these things.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's true. I actually don't believe that.
Speaker 2:Why not?
Speaker 1:I wanna go see what's causing all these cars to go bumpers. Is it that one band still? Oh, yeah. Welcome. So much fun here.
Speaker 1:I I can't... You can't see why most people complain on the WhatsApp group about the noise on our street at all.
Speaker 2:What? Noise on your street? What?
Speaker 1:What? No.
Speaker 2:Now people are getting out of the car yelling.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They'll be fighting a bit.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. Amazing.
Speaker 1:Marijn has to go. He can't resist. He can't resist. Oh, wonderful. Living in the city is so much fun.
Speaker 1:He's just trying to park the poor lad. So there we go. So that is... I mean, while he's sitting there checking it out. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll get the story in a moment or two. So welcome to Antwerp, living in the middle of a city, and Marijn's grinning all over his face. It's all to do with a car, I guess.
Speaker 2:It's just one car just stopped in the middle of the road.
Speaker 1:I think he wanted to reverse into the spot to the left, and then the other car came up right behind him and he won't move.
Speaker 2:There's no spot. He he can't go anywhere. He just needs to go straight. He he can't he can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh, well. If we hear gunshot. Yeah. Exactly.... Down behind the bar.
Speaker 1:Yes. Alright. So we're assuming that we turn m 365 on. Yeah. And we just let people get started.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Or are we talking about the fact that if you don't turn certain features off? And that's what I think they're talking about here. And let's just aim specifically on self-service site creation. Yes.
Speaker 1:Do you allow self-service site creation?
Speaker 2:I I try to convince people that it's a good idea.
Speaker 1:To have it on open. Cause it's open by default, isn't it?
Speaker 2:It's open by default.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So
Speaker 2:what I rather do is I let everyone create it and then I would rather
Speaker 1:control it afterwards.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Because if you feel the need that you need to work together with four other people from other departments on a very specific topic, I would rather have you do it in Microsoft three sixty five
Speaker 1:in a good
Speaker 2:place instead of that you finding another place somewhere else. Exactly. No. And using proper tools instead of emailing documents around or using a group chat or whatever. So I would rather give you the proper tools to do this.
Speaker 1:What's interesting is that she's picked up on all of those things from twenty years ago that, you know, you... That most people were telling people not to do or they were debatable items at their point.
Speaker 2:But honestly, but honestly, here's how I feel about this. No. How many organizations do you know that still have it on? I mean, almost every organization that I come in contact with, they always turn it off. Really?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Nah. Because if you leave it on, then people create SharePoint site. Damn. So what?
Speaker 1:Okay. Let's just be specific here. Do they turn Teams off as well?
Speaker 2:They leave Teams on, but you need to request the new Teams team if you want.
Speaker 1:So they're allowed to do that openly. No, no. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You need to you need to request a site. You can't create your own. You need to put a
Speaker 1:ticket Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. I don't at all. No.
Speaker 1:One of my SharePoint sites over the last twenty five years has ever ever had that request to ticket or do it or get somebody else to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What I might be an advocate of is to not turn it on for anyone, but use a driver license system. Give people training
Speaker 1:one department division.
Speaker 2:Five question exam. If they have three out of five, you give them a driver's license, and from then on, they can request SharePoint.
Speaker 1:Mean, we know the real answer, they can go and find the episode, but we talk about a layered approach to SharePoint. So, you know, one and two are the public facing sites. Three and four are the team sites.
Speaker 2:I'm still using that
Speaker 1:It's amazing.
Speaker 2:Drawing all the time. Even today, when I was delivering training, that was on my training sites.
Speaker 1:And then the bottom layer is Teams. Well, the bottom layer is OneDrive. Teams and and you... I allow anybody to create a team, but then I govern them afterwards. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't allow people to create SharePoint sites in that middle section anymore because that's structured and it's designed not to share. It's where we protect our data. But for team sites, I don't care. Yeah. Quite honestly, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1:Because I put governance in afterwards. Yep. So as long as people know that if nobody accesses that site, it's gonna get deleted or
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Archived or something, then they create them. And it allows you to be collaborative, as you said earlier. It basically means that I'd rather people put them in a site and have too many sites. So here's the the post question, the key question for this, and we may or may not answer it and just move on, but how many sites is too many? What is the definition of sprawl?
Speaker 2:I always say to people, you will have more SharePoint sites than you will have people in your... Or employees in your organization. Because if you're doing, I don't know, 400 projects a year, you're gonna have 400 SharePoint or Teams or SharePoint sites every year.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then you just need to work out what your life cycle management around sites is going to be in Teams.
Speaker 2:So what would be a good number? Five times the employees that you have? Would that be a good number or is it...
Speaker 1:So that would be 4,000 sites for where I work. Probably too many actually, because some people won't ever create a site.
Speaker 2:No. True. And also like...
Speaker 1:It also depends what you're using the sites for.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Also measuring against the number of employees might not be a relevant metric.
Speaker 1:It depends on what level of collaboration the organization is open to. If you're a bank with heavy processes, chances are they'll have quite a few. Yeah. But if you're an organization, a school, a college, creative organization, accountants, or whatever, then you're gonna have thousands. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know was working on the site. She was creating new site owners for 19,000 sites. The scripts took a long time to run.
Speaker 2:I can very well imagine.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. But it was... But it is what it is. They needed it because they have a lot of customers and it's one customer per site.
Speaker 1:Yep. So it depends on the need. So we never know the answer. But sprawl is a different question.
Speaker 2:Sprawl is a different question.
Speaker 1:You manage it though by convey belting it. You know, it gets in the convey belt. It gets...
Speaker 2:It's the same thing like clothes in your closet. How many clothes are too many clothes?
Speaker 1:When you can't close the door.
Speaker 2:But what if you get a bigger closet? What if you get a second closet?
Speaker 1:Don't know.
Speaker 2:So, I mean, there's... Yeah. I I don't know. I I...
Speaker 1:It doesn't really matter. We believe that you should be allowed a controlled sprawl based upon life cycle of the sites.
Speaker 2:Chaos. A little bit of chaos is necessary.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Okay. Alright.
Speaker 1:Cool. One gone.
Speaker 2:Number two is... Just
Speaker 1:a minute. Here we go. Oh, no. Forget it.
Speaker 2:Copilot is not your AI assistant. It's your permission mistakes with a microphone.
Speaker 1:Your permission mistakes with a microphone.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because oversharing becomes more visible when AI can surface content across m three six five.
Speaker 1:That's not true. Actually, the statement is incorrect. We know it does it, but it doesn't come back as the content. It's the information that may well be incorrect.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, it it it comes back to sprawl and you basically having access to way too many old things. But then I'm always thinking like, so the thing is always, oh, but there's this site from 2021 that has some documents and your Copilot is also going to reference those documents to do something with. And then I'm always thinking like, can't Copilot not see that this is a document from five years old? And that is probably not very relevant anymore because it's so...
Speaker 2:Such an old document.
Speaker 1:The real problem is if... Is there an only document on that subject that answers your question. But if we... If people do the first one, where they archive documents when there are sites when they're not being used anymore Yeah. Then there's not included.
Speaker 1:That
Speaker 2:problem is gone. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So... But but all all laughing aside, did we laugh? Yeah. Think we did.
Speaker 1:Yes. All laughing aside. Sorry. I was very British. You don't have a mustache.
Speaker 1:Well, kind of do. Yeah. But you need one that comes out here a little bit. You do need to have life cycle management and you do need to have sensitivity labels. And that's where you should aim towards.
Speaker 1:But you should not wait until I've done all of that before I put stuff in. At least try and get people to understand, mark documents as confidential and sensitive, and then mark them not to be included in Copilot. Yeah. In large language models.
Speaker 2:I'm always hearing people say that, like use sensitivity labels before you roll out Copilot. But once more, how many people are doing this? How many organizations are doing this?
Speaker 1:But then again, how many organizations are actually using Copilot on all of their SharePoint data?
Speaker 2:That's also true.
Speaker 1:The other
Speaker 2:thing to remember that. In valuable way. Yeah. And not as a auto complete translate kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get it. I get it. I think also Copilot is working in the context of your account. So a lot of people are panning too much about this anyway. So...
Speaker 2:No, no. But that's what this thing is saying. It's your permissions that you've done wrong five years ago and that are still coming back to haunt you.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what the answer is. Fix it.
Speaker 2:Clean it.
Speaker 1:Clean it. Lifecycle management. Yeah. Right. Go on and find the funniest, the one that makes you laugh most.
Speaker 2:I really like this one. Most m three six five governance plans are just expensive ways of saying we'll clean it up later.
Speaker 1:I like that one. Yeah. Yeah. That is true, actually. I had a...
Speaker 1:Excuse me. We got SharePoint sites rolled out based upon structure of the organization. Mhmm. We haven't got around to adopting them yet. Every so often, comes along and says, oh, can I move my files into OneDrive, please?
Speaker 1:No. But we could put them onto a SharePoint site for you and we can work out what that is. So, okay. But how how would... Actually, I'm still kind of trying to work this out.
Speaker 1:I haven't worked on a final solution yet, but it starts off with cleaning up. And he went, nah, no brainer. Fully understand. Mhmm. And I thought, until you actually have to sit down and do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. How do you clean up a bunch of data? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Are you just gonna be bold and say everything that's older than five years can go?
Speaker 1:And
Speaker 2:what is... And then also what is it can go? Does that mean we're gonna delete it? We're gonna archive it? We're gonna move it somewhere else?
Speaker 1:So there are
Speaker 2:the super Yeah.
Speaker 1:But the interesting thing is that if you're rolling out Copilot and you don't want to pick up old data, then you can use that as your definition of migration. I will not migrate anything that was last modified older than three years ago because I don't want it in my copilot data. So I just leave that shit behind. So you use That's an interesting thing. Your definition of AI content to actually drive.
Speaker 1:So you don't need to then clean it all up. You just don't send it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's an interesting take because then you can say, we're gonna clean up, not because we want it clean, but we're gonna clean up all the files that you don't want Copilot to reference.
Speaker 1:To get the best AI results possible. Yeah. And there's nothing stopping you if you don't get the right answers going, but I know there's a document in here. Taking that document from a read only source and just copying it across manually so that it's then included in the Yeah. In the resource, the source.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of
Speaker 2:the answers. Okay.
Speaker 1:I like So that use it in the right day. Yeah. Yep. Okay. It's a golden nugget day.
Speaker 2:No golden nugget day. We haven't had a golden nugget in years.
Speaker 1:We haven't. No, we haven't also spoke to what's his knob either?
Speaker 2:What's his knob?
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know me names. His name just disappeared out of my head. I can see the guy's face. We we interviewed him at Amsterdam.
Speaker 1:Deeper? Keeper. Yes. Jeff. We have dear Jeff, don't we?
Speaker 2:Yes. Dear Jeff Dear Jeff.
Speaker 1:We're getting old. I
Speaker 2:have a dear Jeff moment. Oh. Yes.
Speaker 1:Dear Jeff.
Speaker 2:Dear Jeff.
Speaker 1:That's how it starts, just in case you forgot.
Speaker 2:So last week, my Teams client went through a few updates, suddenly. So I flashing up and down. And suddenly, in my window of chats, chats and channels, there's a new section called muted. And all the items that I mute are there. And then I was thinking, oh, maybe I should go into settings and see which setting that is.
Speaker 2:So if you go in settings, chats and channels, you can... It... It's it's it's ticked on. It's the the switch as miss with
Speaker 1:the The switch that says mute channels or move channels.
Speaker 2:A new section. Yes. But the one above that, which is not turned on by default, is move meeting chats also to a separate section. Oh. And what that does is that you have your chats section only chats with people in group chats because all the meeting chats go away.
Speaker 2:And that is the... That that's super cool. But why is that not turned on by default? And why is there no pop up saying, hey, you know what? We've added this new thing.
Speaker 1:So, Jeff, come as... Give us a call, mate. Give us an answer. Yes. Unless it's not working yet.
Speaker 2:It could be because I I saw that on my PC and I was working on my laptop today and I wanted to show it in class today and it wasn't there.
Speaker 1:So it may be a brand new rollout. Anyway, Jeff will tell us. He'll call me tomorrow morning. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yep. 9AM Seattle time. Yep.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Yes. Let's go. The real M365 rollout starts the day after IT says the rollout is finished.
Speaker 1:Yes. But certainly, does.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's adoption and governance.
Speaker 1:Like most IT projects. No. We finished it now. Yeah. But this is still not working.
Speaker 1:No. That was not in the scope.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. That as well. But also just like, here's your SharePoint site. We moved all your files. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Goodbye. Yep. Oh, okay. So, yeah, that that... Yeah.
Speaker 2:That doesn't work. But it's it's a problem because that's what most projects are, is you deliver it and then the project's done.
Speaker 1:I have to say there's some truth in that statement though, isn't there? So if, you know, things get done and then nobody tells them about them.
Speaker 2:Oh, that as well.
Speaker 1:And then, you know, but as far as they're concerned, it's over and done with. We're not responsible for adoption or change or training.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We tested it. It works. Yes. It's done.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We haven't told you that it's there, but we tested it and it's done.
Speaker 1:And it's there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's your definition of done that you need to then, yeah, revisit. Yeah. Clearly. Alright.
Speaker 2:What else is on there? There are... There there is a few few good bangers on there. A lot of companies didn't buy Microsoft three six five. They bought five ways to store the same file.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Five ways to store the same file.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because you got your OneDrive, you got your SharePoint, you got your teams, you got all these places that you can store. You can sync it, make it offline available. There's so many places where you can keep that same file. And then the question is, where is it going?
Speaker 2:Today I actually had an interesting question in my training and it was a and honestly, I felt very sorry.
Speaker 1:Are you doing it on purpose or is it just coming out?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no. That was on purpose. So earlier today, I had a question from someone and he asked, OneDrive, is that still, is that your, my documents
Speaker 1:section of thing?
Speaker 2:Is that, is that your, my documents thing? And I said, yes, it is. But it's also the place where you can, if you look at your OneDrive on your Explorer, it's also where you can link all these other places from SharePoint and Teams into your OneDrive. Because I'm hearing in another project, I'm hearing a lot of people referring to OneDrive as the drive on their Explorer they can surface the Teams documents. Oh yeah, it's on your OneDrive, on your device.
Speaker 2:It's the the Teams documents are there on your OneDrive. Yes, but that's that's not how it works. Well, it works like that, but I mean it's yeah. So I'm I'm kind of... I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, the
Speaker 1:answer is they're not on your OneDrive, but the link to their location is. But I want to know why Microsoft did that. I mean, because it was never a problem before, other than, of course, if you do have a lot of sites, you end up with a lot of stuff listed on the left hand side.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But that old sync way had problems. Like if you want to unsync it, there are too many steps that you need to take and it was not very performant, but they could have fixed it. They could have made it performant. The one big thing between the sync and the shortcut to OneDrive is that shortcut to OneDrive works on OneDrive.
Speaker 2:So it works on all your machines. But honestly, how many people have more than one machine? I mean, as consultants, have probably two or three, but mean normal working people, they just have one laptop from the company. And that's where all the phone, that's where all documents are. So does it really matter if it's in OneDrive and sync through all their devices and whatever?
Speaker 2:Not really.
Speaker 1:It also does help they want a mobile device if everything is through OneDrive.
Speaker 2:True. But then also how many people are really using a mobile device to surface documents? Have you used the OneDrive mobile app? It's pretty horrible, to be honest. It's so slow.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. But that's also... There's so many things that need to be done. It's all about certificates and authentication and stuff.
Speaker 2:It is so slow. I honestly really really don't like to use it because it's so slow. And...
Speaker 1:But document are you looking at? There's six of them to look at, and you're choosing the one in the slow space.
Speaker 2:Yes. That's very true. Yeah. That's very true.
Speaker 1:Open a browser and go to the site.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But but... Well, I I just wanted to give you my little story about OneDrive and how do we think about OneDrive? Is it still just my documents or is it the one place where you can surface all the information from all the documents from Microsoft three six five?
Speaker 1:It's a good question.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think so too.
Speaker 1:I still tend to see them on... Under the network section. Yeah. Yeah. So if you press the sync button from the library, ends up in the network section.
Speaker 1:Yeah. If you... From the folder, say, put it onto my OneDrive Yeah. You'll get this in your OneDrive. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And I I like that OneDrive link because it's so easy, because you can just rename it, put it on... In in another folder. I I do it with all my projects. So every project is a SharePoint or a Teams, and I just sync... Add shortcut to them, and then I just put them all in my folder projects.
Speaker 2:Yep. So they're all nice, tied together. I'll put some of them on my desktop even. I mean
Speaker 1:In all honesty, you're just unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I don't know what to say about that. Anyway, what else do we have? Whiskey. We have whiskey. How are we doing on time?
Speaker 1:We're okay for another thirty eight minutes.
Speaker 2:Okay. Because last time we made it a really long episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So maybe we do a short one this time. One more.
Speaker 2:One more. One more. One more. Oh, I can have I can have to...
Speaker 1:Make one up.
Speaker 2:Okay. No. I'll I'll take this one. License waste is the most boring scandal in Microsoft 365 and probably the most common.
Speaker 1:License waste
Speaker 2:is the most... People having...
Speaker 1:I know what it means, but I want the statement. I was just trying to clarify it. The license waste is the most common What is it?
Speaker 2:Boring scandal in Microsoft 365.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is a scandal. Yeah. It's not small amount sometimes.
Speaker 2:And the most common. If only there was a tool that you could run that people that you could analyze which tools people are using and then it could then say, you know what? You don't need an E3. You just need a business premium.
Speaker 1:And that would be good. There are some tools that do that.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Is this kit one?
Speaker 2:Think so. I think so. Yeah. But all the really cool stuff is, of course, in the E5 and now in the E7.
Speaker 1:But E7 Security King. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sure. Yeah. But I mean, even with that e five, I mean, what's... Yeah. There...
Speaker 2:There's a bunch of really cool super secure stuff, but do most organizations need it? Yes. And then you will say, John says, that depends on their ambition level.
Speaker 1:That is true. I'm glad Lee never listens to this podcast. Actually, love that statement. We used it today as well. It made me smile.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Depends on your ambition level. I think that the thing about this security stuff is that you need it, but you only ever think about it when it's too late.
Speaker 2:That is a very true statement. Yes.
Speaker 1:You know, this never happens to me. Boom. Now Google hears that. It then sends it off to a guy, you know, in The Philippines somewhere.
Speaker 2:Google knows a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay.
Speaker 1:So what was the statement again? I forgot. Oh yes, licensing. Yes. I mean, is true, but it's also partly down to the way Microsoft discount and provide their licensing.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So if you have an EA agreement with Microsoft, you can't get out of the license numbers you've got on the system anyway. Yeah. Alright. Depending on where they go. Or at least you can only reallocate and realign your numbers every year.
Speaker 1:So it's not really a scandal. You sign the contract.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1:If you CSP, Microsoft say, hey, you can save 15% of your e three, e five licenses if you sign up for a year or, yeah, a Yeah. Yeah. And so you make the call. You make the choice. You either live with the idea that I don't need to do this and then take him from there.
Speaker 1:But the biggest issue is, I kind of understand the statement, but how many organizations actually go to their HR or their directors and say, can you please tell me how many new people we are going to be employing this year? You please tell me many people we think we will be losing this year through natural circumstances or whatever, so that I can plan and do this. And John's ambition level was to get an exact listing of how many people we were gonna have on. So we checked, spoke to the budget people and the finance people, and they said, actually, this year, you'll probably have about an extra eight or 10 people. And that was...
Speaker 1:So we got that information at the end of December. By January, we'd already given 60 new laptops out.
Speaker 2:Oops.
Speaker 1:And February, March was regularly training 25 to 30 people.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, that didn't work out.
Speaker 1:No. It didn't work out. So I actually think that, yes, it is a bit of a scandal in that, you know, you can monitor for it and stuff like this. Mhmm. But as people leave, you...
Speaker 1:If your processes don't delay that... Delete that license or or store it, it'll mount up. It will mount up.
Speaker 2:Yep. True. True.
Speaker 1:But it isn't a con. It's just poor operational management.
Speaker 2:Yes. That's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah. There are... But I do quite like the idea. Actually, it's not syskit. It's Clobber.
Speaker 2:Clobber?
Speaker 1:Clobber does...... That. For... Clobber does a full assessment of who's using what licenses and makes recommendations on changes.
Speaker 2:Okay. Interesting.
Speaker 1:But it's a bigger fish than you think because of all the other year licenses, six month licenses. Can I get rid of them quickly, or do I just live with the fact that I have a fixed maintenance?
Speaker 2:I do agree that the story is not super easy all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright, you dirty bastard.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:What now?
Speaker 1:Alright, you dirty bastard.
Speaker 2:Sorry. Is that from a movie?
Speaker 1:Nope. It's from the bottle of whiskey by your side.
Speaker 2:Memory man. Darling dirty bastard.
Speaker 1:Okay. Excuse me. Gotcha. So you sent me an email, which I've still not managed to get a bottle of, but Kevin has. I'm really envious that he's been drinking it.
Speaker 1:Same. I know. Which
Speaker 2:is Same. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Ladigue finished in
Speaker 2:a Tequila cast.
Speaker 1:Tequila cast.
Speaker 2:Yes. The castaway something?
Speaker 1:Castaway. Yes. Castaways. That's it. So I decided to go to my favorite whiskey store in Ghent, which is Books and Booze.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Alright? And then and then I said, hey. You don't happen to have this. And again, I was adamant. All I was gonna do was to get the one.
Speaker 1:So I kinda said, do you have this? Wait. No. He says, I don't. He says, the only one I have is it's finished in a a mez...
Speaker 1:Mexel Mezcal. Mezcal cask and an old beer cask and blended together is this one from Danish country, Danish whiskey. So... And it's called the dirty bastard. And, of course, I tasted it, and boom, I ended up walking out with it.
Speaker 1:My mother went, I knew you were gonna do that. Oops.
Speaker 2:What a mistake it to make.
Speaker 1:So we tasted it last week, and from memory... A few weeks ago, actually. From memory, it has that fruity hot. I think fruity is hot is where this is coming from. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's from memory.
Speaker 2:It definitely had that tequila Yes. You can see it. Flavor in there. Yeah. So floor malted, direct fired pot stills, double distilled, triple matured, all in house terroir product.
Speaker 2:So it's triple finished in virgin charred oat barrels, Mexican mezcal and tequila casks, and stout casks from the Danish craft brewery.
Speaker 1:And then appropriately blended together. Great name.
Speaker 2:It's a great name. Yes. Also great bottle.
Speaker 1:It is actually with a custom Yeah. Art
Speaker 2:Yeah. Very cool. And beautiful color, brownish almost with a nose that is gives off a little rye.
Speaker 1:In all honesty, I couldn't be bothered to keep sniffing it. I wanted to taste it. Yeah. It's lovely. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I forgot. I don't think I've tasted it since you and I tasted it the other day.
Speaker 2:Fiery. Spicy. Yes. Spicy.
Speaker 1:But it's but it's a really good combination of tequila and and stout. They're the two prominent flavors. It's really, really interesting.
Speaker 2:Definitely. Yes. It's very prominent. Yeah, I as you said, I am going to put a little water in there.
Speaker 1:Yep. I'm gonna do that. This is a
Speaker 2:53% so let's.
Speaker 1:So I have a little story to tell you. Okay. As you know, last weekend, I was in Budapest. Mhmm. And Nick was over there as well.
Speaker 1:So, Anuk and Nick and myself, we were wandering around. And we'd we'd booked this.
Speaker 2:Why was Nick there?
Speaker 1:Because it was supposed to be a team weekend away, and everybody cried off except
Speaker 2:for Nick. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's why Nick was there. He was having fun as well. But, you know, with all the cancellations of the problems with fuel and costs and stuff, they moved his flight to Paulad, and instead of flying out at 02:00 in the afternoon, they made him fly out at 05:00 that morning. Oh, So we lost the whole day there, and yeah. Oh, horrible.
Speaker 1:Anyway, just to let you know, so that bottle came from quite a strange place, and it's a small distillery. Yeah. And we booked in a tapas menu for a Mediterranean and Hungarian tapas, which, by the way, was stupendously brilliant, honestly. Some of the best tapas I've ever tasted. So, we were bit early, so find me a whiskey bar, Holly.
Speaker 1:And so, us down this, found this place. And there was a bottle of that on the shelf, along with some really other unusual whiskies. Nice. And so, where it was a full cocktail bar, we ended up doing the whiskies. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Nick has a bottle of 25 year old, I can see the bottle. I can't remember the name of it now. And so... And he won't open it. His dad gave it to him when he was born or for his birthday or something or other, and he won't open it until he has something special to open it for.
Speaker 1:Is something you open No, no, but it doesn't matter. It's just whatever. So I said, I'll buy you one. Went, no, no, no. Don't wanna taste it.
Speaker 1:He said, I'll have one then. So I and I was telling him how wonderful it was. Oh.
Speaker 2:It was a 25
Speaker 1:year old. Okay. It might come to me in a minute, but that was cool. So you dropped some water in it. What did it taste
Speaker 2:I did. Warmer. Yeah. More spicy on the end. Not not a big bite, but spicy.
Speaker 2:Let me try that again. Yeah. It's... There's... Oh, something in the middle that comes out.
Speaker 2:It's it's like a rye.
Speaker 1:I get the rye.
Speaker 2:A rye.
Speaker 1:On my first nose.
Speaker 2:Boom. That comes out in the middle.
Speaker 1:Is it is it rye based?
Speaker 2:Well, it's a good question. I can definitely taste it, but yes, it is. Triple finished malted rye whiskey. Yes. Good thing.
Speaker 2:I already made my biggest whiskey mistake this year in the distillery.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes. You told me about that. That was funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're right. You also get a lot more earthiness out of it once the water.
Speaker 2:That's what it is. Yes. So in the middle of the taste, when it goes, yeah, when it goes from that tequila to that stout, there's like a little bit of fresh earth that you can just put in it's your a... Mouth. It's an interesting drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So for the people that wanna go grab it, it's a Danish whiskey called from the Stowning.
Speaker 1:That's the distillery.
Speaker 2:Distillery. It's called dirty bastard.
Speaker 1:Oh, this one really, really makes it.
Speaker 2:Research series.
Speaker 1:Water makes this whiskey.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That that bite, that harshness is now replaced by this glowing chili that just flows around your mouth and your tongue. Mhmm. But it is earthy. It's it's almost as if you can taste it. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I like it. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1:So the research series, really, really impressive.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So I thought I was getting in, you know, and then didn't. So Flemish malt, floor malt, you've done all that stuff, haven't you? So stunning rye, stunning barley, water, copper fire, oak. Nice. So product of data from the Storning Whiskey Distillery.
Speaker 1:And it's got a really, really strange design on the bottle. But if you get chance... But the one the one... Actually, lied to you. The one in the bar in Budapest was just the bastard.
Speaker 1:Oh. So it's... It would... That's a...
Speaker 2:This is a dirty
Speaker 1:So this is... Okay. It's just
Speaker 2:the bastard.
Speaker 1:I can't remember the difference between the two, but there we go. So we didn't know what whiskey we're gonna do today. We were looking through my collection for something that we've not put on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because somebody didn't update the podcast list yet.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't just We didn't plan for it. We had a chilled out night. It's hot, bothering, and...
Speaker 2:One of these days, I'll get around to it. Or maybe I should do a Kevin and ask AI to say which whiskeys we've mentioned here. Yes. Something
Speaker 1:Is like AI actually doing auto translation nowadays and transcription or is it? Probably, I think what he did was he he set his... He set the office thing. I remember vaguely reading the list... Reading the story.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He took pictures.... On it, didn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah. He took pictures of it and then fed that into co work, think, then said just, yeah, just make me a list of something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is pretty amazing. I know we did a whole podcast on this last week. I'm not gonna kind of go and repeat it, but I'm constantly amazed of the speed of things you can now do, and it's just gonna get even quicker. I don't even know whether we're gonna be able to keep up with it. Like, you know, taking the transcripts or taking the pictures of and finding the relevant information, you talk about your eleven minutes, you know?
Speaker 1:Translating... Like I live in Belgium. Everything here is in Dutch. All the official documents are in Dutch, and my Dutch is... Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Right? And in all honesty, without Copilot, actually, I wouldn't be able to survive because I translate all
Speaker 2:You the did that for the past twenty years.
Speaker 1:No, I haven't. No. Silva did them all. I love you, Silva. You did all my admin stuff.
Speaker 1:She did all of it. All of a sudden, have to deal with all these letters myself. So now, I just feed them into a channel, and she sits there and goes, no, this one is blah, and this one is this. And it's just there, helping everybody. Imagine people coming into Belgium or to any other country that hasn't got that ability, now they have got those tools, and it's virtually free.
Speaker 1:It's true. Yeah. I was also thinking today about talking to you. I've got a session to do on AI on Thursday, and this is more about research and deep research and creating documentation and stuff like this. But I was also thinking as I was going through what I might present in my head, you know, this has the capability of actually removing loneliness from people that live on their own.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 1:We did a bit. Yeah, yeah. But it just sort of came back as being... It's getting better. I go back to...
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Go on.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm I'm still... So, on the one hand, I see it moving very fast. On the other hand, I'm just thinking all the time like, can't I do this yet? Why can't I sit in the car, have a conversation with my AI and say, send email to Steve that I will be thirty minutes late? Something like that.
Speaker 1:You will be able to do that.
Speaker 2:You will be. Yes. I know. At some You
Speaker 1:can do, but you're talking to the wrong thing.
Speaker 2:Probably. You
Speaker 1:may need to sort of say, hey. Use office worker thingy to send me an email to Steve that says I'm gonna be too late. Or create If you do Gmail I don't know. If you do Google Gemini. Gemini, you will be able create a message.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of it has been used to haven't yet worked out.
Speaker 2:I wanna use Copilot. Well, I wanna use the AI tools that Microsoft gives
Speaker 1:me. Stubborn.
Speaker 2:No. I wanna stay within the sphere of thingies.
Speaker 1:But... Yeah. Okay. Okay. And I know I get it.
Speaker 1:But you sent me an email saying you're in twenty minutes late. Am I gonna read it?
Speaker 2:I don't know. But still, I I wanna be in the car driving to my customer in the morning, talking about my emails with my AI. Yep. And when the AI says, oh, yesterday, you got an email from Jim asking you if this work can be completed and then I can say to the AI, send him a reply that this will be done by end of the week.
Speaker 1:You are supposed to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:Have not. Maybe I need to talk to Kevin or Peter or somebody who actually
Speaker 1:knows anything about this. Somebody that spends... Gets paid to spend more time playing with it than we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I do get that. Yeah. But it's gonna get there. It's gonna get there.
Speaker 1:No. I know. I know. I know. So maybe we're just impatient with its speed of operation because we're in the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Anyway.
Speaker 1:That will never change, and that is that whiskey will take three years and one day to be born.
Speaker 2:To be called the whiskey.
Speaker 1:Yes. And AI is not gonna change that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. How? I don't know. I'm I'm not smart enough, but maybe it could say, you know what? I actually found a way how we can mature faster.
Speaker 1:Well, I told you my my, keynote speech was really about, you know, the problem opportunity. Mhmm. That attitude that you're now showing, in all honesty, that attitude, my man, is the way that people need to look at their processes and say, you know, I want AI to be in the middle of that process. Yeah. And I just steer it and it does it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it is close. So close.
Speaker 2:So close.
Speaker 1:And it can be done actually by people that can program this shit, but it just needs yet to work out how it's gonna make it to the AI.
Speaker 2:I I want it to be in there by default. I don't wanna build it. I don't want people to build it. I just wanna be in the I
Speaker 1:get that too. But then the AI police will actually sit there and say, I'm sorry. We're not allowed to allow you to do that because you could tell it to do this, and then it will do it, and then it'll be your fault.
Speaker 2:I get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We gotta work out where... There's still a lot so much. It's it's moved so damn quickly. We have no control.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I know. But, I mean, that was the the whole Cortana fifteen years
Speaker 1:Cortana was a dumb
Speaker 2:lady. Dumb Hulk. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, that that was the whole idea you would be able to talk to your AI and then it will help you figure out all the things that you need figuring out for.
Speaker 1:Holly does, but she just doesn't have the connectors from where she is to where it needs to done.
Speaker 2:That's what I need.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. But I but I do believe that, for example, we talk about sales process, which is that once the sales process is managed by AI Mhmm.
Speaker 1:With adjustments when you said put in the human, I know what this customer wants, I know where we're at, blah blah blah. But that's all about agents, and it's about how you create those agents that then create that AI today. Yeah. So that's why that's so important, but it's also why it is going to be a real skill.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm not entirely certain how good that's going to be.
Speaker 2:We'll see.
Speaker 1:We will. And on that note.
Speaker 2:Time to end?
Speaker 1:I think so.
Speaker 2:We need a good singer to end.
Speaker 1:We need a singer. Hey, baby. I'm your telephone man. If you show me where you want it and I put it where you can. We can't finish yet.
Speaker 1:Thirty more seconds and we'll actually be at exactly an hour. So what do you wanna say?
Speaker 2:Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Is that...
Speaker 2:So is that my cue to do an Irish goodbye?
Speaker 1:Irish goodbye. Irish goodbye. You ready?
Speaker 2:Ready.
Speaker 1:Just a minute. You've got... That's thirty. That's five, ten, You've got five seconds.