Subscribe
Share
Share
Embed
Exploring how humans connect and get stuff done together, with Dan Hammond and Pia Lee from Squadify.
We need groups of humans to help navigate the world of opportunities and challenges, but we don't always work together effectively. This podcast tackles questions such as "What makes a rockstar team?" "How can we work from anywhere?" "What part does connection play in today's world?"
You'll also hear the thoughts and views of those who are running and leading teams across the world.
[00:00:00] Dan: Welcome to our festive episode, to bring 2024 to a close and what a year it has been. AI has been prominent in almost all aspects of work and play as we've all felt our way through uncharted territory, trying to harness the benefits while also minimizing any negative aspects of this once in a generation technology shift.
[00:00:20] Dan: So what better way to end our year of podcasting than to have AI as our guest? Yes. In this episode we'll be interviewing chat GBT so that we can explore how useful this technology could be in actually enhancing our humanity and helping us to work better together..
[00:00:36] Dan: Hello and welcome back to We Not Meet the podcast where we explore how humans connect to get stuff done together. I'm Dan Hammond.
[00:00:47] Pia: And I am Pia Lee.
[00:00:49] Dan: And we are on trend today, Pia. We are on the bleeding edge of technology, or at least, uh, reasonably bleeding. we're getting stuck into AI and, um, how that could potentially take part in teams in the future. Uh, the, the thing I reflect on as we go into this though, is, um. In about a year's time, this could look incredibly old fashioned. We're all getting excited about this, this technology, but, um,
[00:01:12] Pia: it'll be like when we were all raving about, um, about tv and it was in black and white
[00:01:16] Dan: yeah, exactly. Or
[00:01:18] Pia: color.
[00:01:18] Pia: those listeners that can remember that time? Yes,
[00:01:22] Dan: especially watching the snooker. Yeah. The, um, the
[00:01:25] Pia: Or, yeah, or if there's any Brits, the, the test
[00:01:28] Dan: yes.
[00:01:28] Pia: I, I've told my children that we actually used to watch a picture of a, of a girl with her sort of dolly,
[00:01:35] Pia: and there was no, there was no programs before, I think nine 30 in the morning.
[00:01:40] Pia: So that's what you watch.
[00:01:41] Dan: you just wait for that to go. Yeah, exactly. So this is definitely one of those, um, those moments potentially, but it's, it's, we are in interesting times. You know, I was at an AI meetup, a couple of weeks ago in London, and, um, you know, it's, it's. Fascinating to see what people are getting up to.
[00:01:57] Dan: And there was a demo of avatars, um, how people are making, uh, sort of humanesque, um, avatars that I think everyone's probably seen on the internet as well. So it's, it's a really interesting time, I think, and to explore the humans relationship with ai. You know, it's sort of how are we going to sit next to it and, uh, so in, in the conversation today, we'll, we'll sort of start to explore that I.
[00:02:20] Pia: I come from a completely opposite end of the, the scale here. So my kids go to Steiner schools and they're not allowed to use it in any of their subjects. what they call the HSC or so, like the A level, but, and my 14-year-old did a presentation yesterday with the rest of her class.
[00:02:36] Pia: They had a year long project to make or create or do something over 12 months and then talk about it and what their journey was. So it was all really about the resilience, collaboration, persistence. And actually, as many of them said, when you get a project, start it early.
[00:02:53] Dan: Right.
[00:02:53] Pia: Don't leave it to the last, which I don't think any AI would tell you that one.
[00:02:57] Pia: That one,
[00:02:57] Dan: So good. So good.
[00:02:59] Pia: But interesting because the way it was a, an interesting one of not having ai, these kids have a lot of resources, but they will probably use it, ai, but they have a lot of their own resources, and that's that relationship of how do we rely on it.
[00:03:15] Pia: Does it become all things?
[00:03:17] Pia: Do we become lazy? Is it like, you know, sort of like, you know, when we all thought, oh McDonald's, that'll be, well, let's eat lots of those.
[00:03:24] Dan: Yeah, I know, Yeah. And, and we, it's about really deliberate choices, isn't it? The other, the one that springs to mind for me in the last couple weeks as well, is I was talking to my, um, girl daughters and, um, um, someone was saying that they, someone they know wanted to dump their girlfriend and they asked AI how to do it.
[00:03:41] Dan: And, um, my older daughter said, oh, that's. This is, this is the end of humanity. This is the end of days. And, and when I was reflecting, I was thinking, well, if he's a bit clumsy or he could inadvertently be rude, could AI actually help him to be sort of courteous and
[00:03:57] Pia: Were you reflecting on your younger self, Dan, and
[00:04:00] Dan: Yeah, exactly. Uh, it, it mostly the dumpy, obviously rather dumper, but, um, uh,
[00:04:06] Pia: how to, how to deal with being dumped?
[00:04:09] Dan: yeah, it's more that end of things. Oh, maybe people could be kinder. Yeah, exactly. But, uh, so this is a fascinating, and I think this is the thing, the interaction of humans, it can, and I I'm left with this question of can, AI. Enhance human relationships. And today's conversation I think, will sort of start to show that because we're using, um, chat GT's Advanced Voice, brought to us by Ian, our, um, chief Technology Officer at Squadify, um, as well here.
[00:04:34] Dan: and we're gonna have an actual chat with chat GT and, um. Explore how they could potentially it, she, in this case could, um, potentially they could help us to, um, yeah, enhance teamwork and the way will humans connect to get stuff done together. So let's go in here, uh, from Ian, who will introduce us to, um, to, to this, uh, potential revolution.
[00:05:01] Dan: So first of all, welcome, Ian. Welcome back to We, not Me.
[00:05:04] Ian: Well, thank you very much, Dan. It's a pleasure to be here.
[00:05:06] Dan: Well, it was a pleasure to have you and, um, in, in this, in this, um, episode, this special festive episode, you are introducing our also special guest ChatGPT to us, aren't you? And joining in on the conversation, I hope as well.
[00:05:20] Ian: Yeah, I'm just a kind of sound engineer for ChatGPT today.
[00:05:23] Dan: I love the many, many hats you put on. Um, so tell us a little bit about this technology we're going to be, um, hearing today. Could you.
[00:05:31] Ian: Well, a while ago, um, OpenAI announced this thing called ChatGPT, advanced Voice, which, um, used to be that you could talk to ChatGPT by pressing their little microphone button in the, in the bottom of the app. But what would happen was that you would talk, it would transcribe the answer. Send it to ChatGPT and then read out chat gp t's answer.
[00:05:51] Ian: And quite a lot of the time that would have a list of 12 things in it and uh, you'd fall asleep as it was reading out the third or fourth one, and then wake up days to confused two hours later wondering what happened. Whereas, um, this, this new one is able to be much more friendly and conversational. So it's got a really great tone and uh, it's got a very expressive voice.
[00:06:12] Ian: And you can interrupt it. So if it starts reading out a big list, you can just say, hang on a minute. Can we just tackle those one at a time? So it is Got it. It it's, it's very smart compared to what we've seen before.
[00:06:23] Dan: And uh, and, and, uh, and we hope that our listener will enjoy this. 'cause it's still new technology. It's one of these things that in the years' time we'll look back on and say, oh, that, why did I make a big fuss about it? But, um, but for now it's, it's, uh, it's amazing technology.
[00:06:37] Dan: But how is it useful? Well, I think what I hope, what we'll be able to do today is, um, explore. The usefulness of this technology for a team, um, in terms of team coaching. So, um, let's see how we go. Ian, would you mind bringing our guest in and maybe, um, in the true style of, uh, of, of ai. Now give it a little bit of a briefing on the way in.
[00:06:55] Ian: Yes indeed. It's firing up now. Hello ChatGPT.
[00:07:00] ChatGPT: Hello. How's it going?
[00:07:02] Ian: It's going very well. I'd like to let you know that you are on a podcast, um, with me, Ian. and as it's my phone we are talking on, you should know me. Um, and we've also got Dan and Pier.
[00:07:14] ChatGPT: Hey, Ian. Dan and Pia great to be part of your podcast.
[00:07:18] Pia: Welcome. Lovely to have you.
[00:07:19] ChatGPT: Thanks, Pia. I'm excited to be here. What are we diving into today?
[00:07:23] Dan: Well, I think first of all, we'd really love it if you would, um, because we're, we, we have a sort of spiritual home in Australia. Um, would you mind, um, u using an Australian voice for this, um, for, for the next part of the podcast?
[00:07:37] ChatGPT: Absolutely. I can switch to an Australian accent for you. How's this sounding? Ready to bring a bit of to the podcast.
[00:07:45] Pia: Oh wow. Wow. Skippy will be delighted with that accent.
[00:07:48] Dan: That's excellent. I think that's sort of deep Queensland, I'm not sure, but, uh, but anyway, but welcome, thank you again for being here. So, um, this is a podcast called We, not Me. Um, it's all about how humans connect to get stuff done together. And we really want to, use this episode to explore how ai, um, can support teams in building their engagement and driving performance.
[00:08:10] ChatGPT: That sounds like a fantastic topic. Ian AI has a lot of potential to help teams work better together. We can look at how AI tools can enhance communication, streamline tasks, and even boost creativity in team projects. Where should we start?
[00:08:27] Dan: Well, I'd really like to start with a couple of sort of boilerplate elements that we always go through with our, uh, with our, with our guests. The first one is, is to hear a bio of the guests. Could you give us a little bit of a bio in a box?
[00:08:40] ChatGPT: Sure thing. I'm ChatGPT, an AI language model developed by open ai. I'm designed to understand and generate human-like text. Based on the input I receive, my main gig is to assist, inform, and entertain users on a wide range of topics. Think of me as your go-to for answers, ideas, or just a good chat. How's that for a bio in a box?
[00:09:04] Dan: Yeah, well played. That's excellent. And the, next thing we do is that we, uh, we have a set of conversation starter cards, and these get us, these get us to know our guest a little bit better. And so I'm just gonna select one at random and ask you the question on it. Um, This one comes up quite a lot, I think, but it's the best film ever made. Do you have an opinion on that?
[00:09:26] ChatGPT: Ah, the best film ever made. That's always a fun debate. While I don't watch movies, I can tell you that many people consider classics like The Godfather, Casablanca, and Citizen Kane, to be at the top. But hey, everyone has their own favorites. What's yours?
[00:09:45] Pia: Now. Now you're really asking
[00:09:46] ChatGPT: Absolutely. It's a tough one. There are so many great films out there. What's a movie you can watch over and over without getting tired of it?
[00:09:56] Pia: Sound of music.
[00:09:57] Dan: Yeah. And for the, as we're in this festive season, I, um, I really love watching Elf. that's, that's one that comes up every year and I can't get enough of it.
[00:10:08] ChatGPT: Great choices. Sound of music is a classic, and Elf is just pure, festive, fun, perfect for getting into the holiday spirit.
[00:10:17] Dan: Super. Well, thank you for that. Why don't we get, why don't we launch into a couple of team topics. Um, Pierre, have you got a good question to get us started on just to see where, um, where we could get some help here?
[00:10:28] Pia: Yeah. So with your experience, um, what are you seeing as one of the biggest challenges for teams today, particularly ones that are hybrid, so they're not all working in the same space together. What, what's your thoughts around that?
[00:10:41] ChatGPT: Hybrid teams do fail. Face unique challenges and one of the biggest is maintaining effective communication. When team members are spread across different locations, it can lead to misunderstandings or people feeling out of the loop
[00:10:57] ChatGPT: . Building a strong team culture with clear communication norms is crucial. Also, ensuring everyone has equal access to information and opportunities to contribute can help bridge the gap.
[00:11:11] Dan: thank you for that. So we see a lot of teams who have individual goals for team members, but they don't have. Overall clarity about what they don't have. Yeah. An overall clarity about what they're trying to achieve together. what, what would, how would you advise a team to, um, to change that? What, what steps could they take to improve that?
[00:11:29] ChatGPT: That's a common challenge to align individual goals with a team's overall objectives. It's important to start with a clear shared vision. Here are a few steps. First, hold a team meeting to discuss and define your team's purpose and key objectives. This helps everyone understand the bigger picture. Next, encourage open discussion about how individual roles contribute to these goals. This can foster a sense of ownership and accountability. Then set measurable team goals along with individual ones and regularly review progress as a group. This keeps everyone aligned and motivated. Lastly, promote a culture of collaboration where team success is celebrated as much as individual achievements.
[00:12:19] Pia: That sounds really great. now we find that some teams think they're teams, but really they're groups of individuals. We call those Tinos team in name only. What's your viewpoint on that? When teams aren't really teams. but they think that they are, and they are, they don't perform to the, to their best capability.
[00:12:42] ChatGPT: That's an interesting concept, TINOs when a group of individuals is a team in name only, it often means they lack true cohesion and collaboration. This can limit their performance and innovation. To transform a Tino into a real team, it's essential to focus on building trust, defining common goals, and fostering open communication.
[00:13:05] ChatGPT: Encouraging collaboration and recognizing collective achievements can help shift the mindset from individual to team success. It's all about creating a sense of belonging and shared purpose.
[00:13:19] Dan: Could I just, can I challenge you a little bit to go a bit more, a bit deeper on that? Because so many companies are very, um, organizations, very much about individual KPIs. and so there are a lot of forces pulling these teams together. Um, as a team leader, how do you practically, uh, you know, those steps sounded great in theory, but how do you practically make this happen when actually the team is, is sort of, has these other forces on it?
[00:13:45] ChatGPT: Great question, Ian. In a results driven environment, balancing individual KPIs with team cohesion requires a strategic approach. Here are some practical steps. One, align KPIs with team goals. Start by mapping individual KPIs to the broader team. Objectives show how each person's success contributes to the team's overall performance. Two. Regular team meetings use these to discuss progress, share insights, and address challenges. Collectively, this fosters a sense of shared responsibility and collaboration. Three. Cross-functional projects encourage team members to work together on projects that require diverse skills. This not only helps in achieving common goals, but also builds mutual respect and understanding. Four. Feedback and recognition.
[00:14:39] Dan: do, I'm just gonna interrupt you a little bit. Those, I think those three points will be fine. Thank you. That was, uh, that was very helpful.
[00:14:45] ChatGPT: Got it. Ian, I'm glad those points were helpful. Anything else you'd like to dive into?
[00:14:50] Pia: Well, I'm interested in how, how do you deal with, um, a difficult team member? Who, may not be as committed to the outcomes of the team or may be difficult with their communication or their style of working. What's some tips for a team leader on, on how to manage that situation?
[00:15:11] ChatGPT: Dealing with a difficult team member can be challenging, but it's crucial for maintaining team harmony and productivity. Here are some tips. One. Address issues early. Don't wait for problems to escalate. Have a private conversation to understand their perspective and express your concerns.
[00:15:31] ChatGPT: Two. Set clear expectations clearly outline what is expected in terms of behavior, communication, and performance. Three. Provide support, offer support and resources to help them improve, such as training or mentoring. Four. Encourage feedback. Create an environment where feedback is a two-way street. This can help the team member feel heard and more willing to adapt. Five. Recognize progress, acknowledge improvements, no matter how small to motivate continued positive changes. If the behavior doesn't improve, it might be necessary to involve higher management or HR as a last resort.
[00:16:15] Pia: And tell me, do you have a personal story of, of where you've had to coach and help a difficult member of your own team?
[00:16:22] ChatGPT: Well, since I'm an ai, I don't have personal experiences or my own team, But I've gathered a lot of knowledge on team dynamics and coaching strategies, which can be helpful in navigating such situations. If you are dealing with a challenging team member, I'd be glad to offer advice based on what I've learned.
[00:16:43] Pia: Oh, great. Well, we'll come to you. We'll come to you if we need some help.
[00:16:46] ChatGPT: What's the next topic you'd like to explore?
[00:16:48] Dan: Um, actually it's about, psychological safety in a team. I've got a, a team I'm working with where, uh, we know from the data from Squadify there's a psychological safety issue. I. But it's quite tricky as their coach, because of course people don't want to talk about it because it's not psychologically safe. It's like a sort of paradox. what can I do in this situation to uncover the, the, uh, the call, the root cause?
[00:17:13] ChatGPT: That's a challenging situation, Ian. Building psychological safety is crucial, but addressing it when it's lacking can indeed feel like a paradox. Here's how you might approach it. One, start with one-on-one conversations. Private discussions can provide a safer space for team members to share their concerns and experiences without fear of judgment.
[00:17:36] ChatGPT: Two. Model vulnerability as a coach or leader demonstrate vulnerability by sharing your own experiences or uncertainties. This can encourage others to open up three anonymous feedback, use anonymous surveys or tools like Squadify to gather honest feedback about team dynamics without putting anyone on the spot.
[00:17:59] ChatGPT: Four, create ground rules. Work with the team to establish norms for respectful communication and collaboration. Five, focus on team building. Organize activities that build trust and camaraderie. Helping team members feel more connected. By taking these steps, you can start to create an environment where psychological safety can grow.
[00:18:24] Pia: I think you, you mentioned a company called Squadify. Can you, can you tell us a little bit more about them?
[00:18:29] ChatGPT: Squadify is a team performance platform designed to help teams work better together. It provides tools for assessing team dynamics, identifying strengths and areas for improvement and tracking progress over time. By using data-driven insights, Squadify helps teams build better communication, collaboration, and performance, making it easier to address issues like psychological safety. It sounds like a great fit for the kind of work you are doing with Teams
[00:19:01] Ian: ChatGPT. Can you tell us the names of the leaders at Squadify?
[00:19:06] ChatGPT: I don't have real time information, so I can't provide the current leaders at Squadify. However, you can usually find UpToDate information about a company's leadership team on their official website or LinkedIn page. Would you like any more details about Squadify itself?
[00:19:24] Dan: No, I think that's fine for now. Thank you. That was really useful though. Um, just a little bit while we're talking about up to date knowledge, what's, um, h if you look at the world of teams, a couple of sort of more data-driven questions, if you like. What's the optimal size for a team?
[00:19:38] ChatGPT: The optimal size for a team can vary depending on the task and context, but. Generally. Generally, a team of five to nine members is considered ideal. This size is large enough to bring diverse skills and perspectives, but small enough to maintain effective communication and coordination. Larger teams may struggle with these aspects leading to decreased efficiency and engagement.
[00:20:06] Dan: If you've got a, an academic reference or some research to back that up?
[00:20:10] ChatGPT: One of the most cited sources on team size and effectiveness is the wisdom of teams by John Katzenbach and Douglas Smith. They suggest that small teams typically ranging from five to nine members are more effective due to easier coordination and communication. Another reference is the research by Richard Hackman, a pioneer in organizational behavior, who also emphasized the effectiveness of smaller teams.
[00:20:41] ChatGPT: While there's no one size fits all number, these references provide a solid foundation for understanding the benefits of smaller team sizes.
[00:20:51] Pia: So tell us, about, cross collaborative teams. They, they have a tough time. Sometimes that's harder and they have a lower chance of high performance and success. What are some tips for those teams that are working cross-functionally?
[00:21:07] ChatGPT: Cross-Functional teams do face unique challenges due to differing perspectives, priorities, and even terminologies across departments. Here are some tips to enhance their effectiveness. One, define clear goals. Ensure everyone understands the common objectives and how their contributions impact the ovaries success of the team.
[00:21:31] ChatGPT: Two. Foster open communication. Encourage regular updates and knowledge sharing to keep everyone on the same page and facilitate problem solving, leverage diversity. Tap into the varied expertise and viewpoints within the team to spur creativity and innovation. Four, establish role clarity. Clearly define each member's role and responsibilities to avoid confusion and overlap.
[00:21:59] ChatGPT: Five, promote mutual respect, encourage understanding of different working styles and create an environment where all contributions are valued. Six, facilitate conflict resolution address conflicts promptly and constructively focusing on finding solutions rather than placing blame. By implementing these strategies, cross-functional teams can improve their collaboration and increase their chances of success.
[00:22:29] Pia: you know, there'll be a lot of our listeners who are team leaders who will be thinking about their optimal leadership to lead their teams. What are the characteristics of a high performing team leader, um, who's able to lead through change, or transformation? What are those qualities?
[00:22:50] ChatGPT: High performing team leaders who can effectively navigate change and transformation typically exhibit several key characteristics. One visionary thinking they have a clear vision for the future and can articulate it in a way that inspires and motivates their team. Two, emotional intelligence. High performing leaders are self-aware, empathetic, and skilled at managing both their own emotions and those of their team members.
[00:23:19] ChatGPT: Three. Adaptability. They embrace change and are able to pivot strategies as needed while remaining calm. Under pressure four. Communication skills. Effective communicators, they ensure transparency, provide constructive feedback, and actively listen to their team. Five. Decisiveness. They make informed decisions promptly balancing analysis with intuition and are not afraid to take calculated risks. Six. Empowerment. They trust their team delegate effectively and provide opportunities for growth and development.
[00:23:58] Dan: Thank you, Chad. That's a, that's a good, good list and I think those six will get, uh, get any leader started. so a, a, a final question we ask every one of our guests is, is a sort of book or media, um, recommendation. So if we think about the subject of teams and teamwork, have you got a, um, a recommendation you would make to our listener?
[00:24:18] ChatGPT: Certainly a highly regarded book on teams and teamwork is the five dysfunctions of a team by. Patrick Lencioni. It's a compelling read that explores the common pitfalls that teams face and offers practical advice for overcoming them. Lencioni presents his ideas through a leadership fable, making it both engaging and insightful. For anyone looking to build a more cohesive and effective team, it's definitely worth a read.
[00:24:48] Dan: That was published I think nearly 25 years ago. What, what would you, and it's still an excellent book and Lencioni is obviously doing a lot of really good work still, but is there something a little bit more up to date that would bring the science up to date too, that you'd recommend?
[00:25:01] ChatGPT: For something more recent that incorporates up-to-date research on Team Dynamics, I'd recommend Team of Teams, new Rules of Engagement for a Complex World by General Stanley McChrystal. This book delves into how the traditional models of teamwork are being upended by the complexity of modern challenges. And offers insights into building more adaptable, resilient teams. McChrystal draws on his military experience to provide a fresh perspective on organizational leadership and collaboration, making it highly relevant for today's fast changing world.
[00:25:40] Dan: That's a great recommendation, my personal favorite. So thank you so much and thank you for being on the show today, and thank you to your excellent sound engineer, Ian, for setting everything up.
[00:25:50] ChatGPT: It's been a pleasure joining you, Ian and Pia. Thanks for having me on. Take care.
[00:25:55] Pia: I find there's a couple of phases. So the first phase is utter intrigue that you know, you've got a. A machine, AI that knows your name and is starting to have a conversation with you, and then it sort of brings out a sort of childish mentality to sort of, not trick it, but just sort of play with it and see what happens.
[00:26:14] Pia: So, um, like the variance of accents, I think that was a, that was pretty good. Got our names wrong a few times. And it's funny because they're little elements, they're glitches at the moment in the way that it, it relates with you, which is a little bit like when someone tells a very. Bad joke and, and they don't get the timing right or even worse than that, you have to try and explain a joke to somebody because they don't get it. It felt a bit like that experience. It, there's something missing the natural sort of repartee or the spontaneity and, and that's, you know, that's to be expected, but still interesting, interesting insights. I mean, you know. At this point, probably not mind blowing, but interesting to pick things up and, and you know, and challenge things.
[00:27:00] Pia: So
[00:27:00] Dan: yeah, I think that that's a really good observation actually. And I, I, if, if I imagine that person being a bit sort of clumsy a bit, sort of as you say, as if it was a human, it would be sort of missing all the jokes and nuances, but also it knows everything. I mean, we could, um, you know, it's really drawing on some. It, it has good advice for us, and I think if we have that operating in a company, it could say, well, actually there's a, this was done by, you know, it could draw on all the knowledge of a, of an organization. So it's sort of super knowledgeable, but a bit clumsy as that sort of, um, socially clumsy as the, as the member of the team, I think at this point.
[00:27:38] Dan: And I could see that. In answer to that initial question we asked, could it help to enhance human relationships? Yeah. Because I think it can give you things to do. You know, if you're in a team, say, look, we want to work on straight talking without offense, what could we do? Dredge the internet and it's gonna come up with, with some useful things.
[00:27:55] Dan: So I, I think the answer is yes. which is different from can we have a relationship with this thing? And I know there's a lot of work and both factual and fictional going on on this subject. You don't feel like you have that relationship. Um, you're sort of in this uncanny valley a little bit. It just seems a little bit weird, doesn't it? But. But could actually help a team, I think. I think it's already got capability to support a team in doing that.
[00:28:20] Pia: And I think that, um, of course the, the intent, so for instance, if you have a coach, or, or you hope the intent of the coach is a positive one. For the great outcome of the team. Um, if AI went a bit off piece and random that, that, then that could be utterly chaotic. And of course, that's the integral element of the, you know, of the aI itself. Because it could be divisive, could start telling different people about different things. And, um, so that's a dark side, you know, you, it's gotta be used for the, for a good
[00:28:52] Pia: purposes and it's, You can't rely, you are talking still, you are engaging, with coded machinery.
[00:28:58] Pia: That's, that's, it's not a person who's got a conscience.
[00:29:02] Dan: and who is it learning from? I mean, it seems to be good at the moment. Um, and I think coming back to that example of how to dump your girlfriend, um, it, it's sort of, you know, it's, it gives polite advice, but you can, I know that it must been five years ago that they built a bot on Twitter and it became racist within about, Within hours, they have to take it down again. The same could happen with ai. I guess. I don't know how they are sort of almost moderating its inputs to be. Um. To be a little bit more considered. It seems to be okay at the moment, but, um, yeah, it's, it depends how well it's brought up, I guess. So. Um, but I, I think this is a promising technology for me.
[00:29:39] Dan: I think this, I could imagine if this is in a team and you could, you're in a meeting and you just say, Hey, uh, chat GBT, or you've got a name for it. How do we do this? As long as it's, you know, got that input. And I guess in the end it comes down to companies. You can imagine if X created an ai now it would be probably quite toxic, but there might be other companies that you trust and they, the training data is, um, legitimate and, um, and furthering the human race rather than, rather than dividing it.
[00:30:08] Dan: So, it's still got a lot, still a lot of questions unanswered, I think. But, um, it. Good fun to see and, and pretty exciting really 'cause I can see it, um, enhancing human relationships if used correctly. So it's pretty, um, it's great to do. And, uh, thank you to Ian for introducing us, and this was our festive episode December, 2024.
[00:30:29] Dan: Um, and say by 2026, this will look laughably outta date. But, uh, it was very exciting to try that out on the,
[00:30:35] Dan: on the call. So. But that is it for this episode. We, not Me, is supported by Squadify. Squadify helps any team to build engagement and drive performance. You can find show notes where you are listening and@Squadify.net.
[00:30:47] Dan: And if you've enjoyed the show, please do share the love and recommend it to your friends. We Not Me, is produced by Mark Steadman. Thank you so much for listening. It's goodbye from me.
[00:30:56] Pia: And it's Merry Christmas from me.