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In this episode, Ryan, Doug, and Craig from the Stallone Podcast Network sit down for a comprehensive discussion of Sylvester Stallone’s 1981 thriller Nighthawks.
The hosts explore Sly’s performance as undercover cop D’Silva (complete with the memorable beard), his strong chemistry with Billy Dee Williams as partner Matthew Fox, the gritty 1980s New York City setting, and the intense cat-and-mouse game with terrorist Wolfgar. They cover the film’s disco-heavy soundtrack featuring Rolling Stones' Brown Sugar, Keith Emerson score, key action sequences like the tram climax, deleted scenes, Stallone’s on-set influence, Rocky-isms, plot devices, and whether this could have been a buddy-cop classic.
Tune in for an in-depth look at one of Stallone’s more grounded early dramatic roles outside the Rocky and Rambo franchises.
- 0:00 - Intro & Welcome
- 3:30 - First Impressions & Stallone Beard Talk
- 8:45 - Opening Drag Scene, Fights & Miranda Rights
- 15:20 - Billy Dee Chemistry, Comedy Bits & Rocky References
- 22:00 - Hauer as Wolfgar: Backstory & Kills
- 35:15 - Long Anti-Terrorist Briefing & Military Record
- 48:30 - Tram Sequence, Ending Reveal & Stunts
- 1:05:00 - Overall Thoughts, New York Grit & Film Potential
- 1:12:00 - Listener Comments & Future Episodes
Creators and Guests
What is Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast ?
Welcome to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* podcast, your go-to show for fans of Sylvester Stallone’s action-packed legacy, hosted by Ryan and a variety of other passionate hosts! This podcast dives deep into Stallone’s standalone films and those of his action-hero contemporaries, with special episodes dedicated to Frank Stallone. Please note that *Rocky* and *Rambo* are covered exclusively on our sister podcasts, *One More Round: The Rocky Series Podcast* and *It’s a Long Road: The Rambo Series Podcast*. Join us for engaging discussions, behind-the-scenes insights, and a nostalgic celebration of the films that defined a genre. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the scene, subscribe to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* feed for action-packed episodes you won’t want to miss!
0:2222 secondswelcome everyone welcome to the Stallone podcast Network oh I got to mute myself in the background so I know it's working one sec guys that's good sign there we
0:3131 secondsgo okay as normal it's a tip top operation here well yeah I do apologize so welcome to the Stallone podcast
0:3939 secondsNetwork I am one of the three hosts of this Stallone podcast Network I run go in the distance the rocky series and now Creed
0:4747 secondspodcast my name is Doug Greenberg I'm one of the hosts of Rocky minute where we break down the Rocky movies one minute at a time people want to know
0:5656 secondsDoug what's going on with season 3 give us the update man we're getting there I swear he caught
1:031 minute, 3 secondswhatever the slast has yeah we're suffering from the same illness no new episode itis I'm Craig from the s cast
1:111 minute, 11 secondsonce every leap year we release a new episode you can uh next expect to hear assassins as we travel yearby year
1:191 minute, 19 secondsthrough Stallone's career between all three of our shows you get like a complete look at the career of Stallone
1:261 minute, 26 secondsI mean you don't need the pop Ryan I mean everybody loves your show but um what you're doing with you know the
1:341 minute, 34 secondsrocky series and now the Creed series is I don't think anybody else has ever done what you guys have done in terms of the
1:421 minute, 42 secondsmicroscopic look at a movie there's plenty of Rocky five episodes out there
1:501 minute, 50 secondson the internet for people to listen to from a podcast but there's not a whole season devoted to Rocky five I think it's really cool what you're doing I'm
1:581 minute, 58 secondsglad you decided to proceed do um do the Creed movies thank you for that it's very kind of you I'm excited guys this
2:052 minutes, 5 secondsis our night Hawks coverage so we're going back to going live that means we'll have three people watching this as we go live but that's fine people people
2:142 minutes, 14 secondscan jump in they can laugh at us it's generous that you think we're gonna have three people yeah no kidding a well we got seven now that might be our record
2:222 minutes, 22 secondsum is it right now there's seven people that's crazy well yeah give it about two minutes actually do me you and Craig count because I'm also watching
2:302 minutes, 30 secondsprobably is counting us as well and I want to let people know who are subscribed to our Channel I'm sorry that we don't stream the
2:372 minutes, 37 secondsmovies people come out to our Channel they get so angry because we don't just stream the movies it's a movie discussion site they're very confused by
2:452 minutes, 45 secondsthe fact that people talk about movies in a podcast format I don't know why that is but they come on here in a different language and get very mad at us I translate it and some of the things
2:532 minutes, 53 secondsthey say to us is very unkind those reviews are just comedy Gold by the way two idiots one was pretty good I still
3:003 minutesthink they were talking about Sharon Stone and and Sylvester Stallone I don't know how you keep comments turned on I mean I have very limited content on my
3:093 minutes, 9 secondsYouTube channel I think I turned off the comments on this the content that I really care about because um I just don't have the maybe for the comedic
3:173 minutes, 17 secondseffect I should turn him back on well you you should you would get nothing but nice SC Sly cast is like still The Godfather of the Stallone podcast let's
3:253 minutes, 25 secondslet's roll into Nighthawks guys I'm actually very excited to talk about this film this is the first time I've ever
3:333 minutes, 33 secondsseen the film because I'm such a Stallone fanatic I've seen I would say 98% of all of his films or whatever the number is a large portion but this is a
3:413 minutes, 41 secondsfilm that came out when I was 6 years old but and so when time kind of just kept going and going and when I was a teenager it was just this film that kind
3:493 minutes, 49 secondsof always escaped my viewing and just as time went on I was like I'm never going to get around to watching this thing so I'm really grateful that we have this
3:563 minutes, 56 secondspodcast in a weird way that it forced me to watch it I've seen many of the scenes I've seen the tram scene I've seen of course the the big reveal at the end
4:044 minutes, 4 secondsscene on YouTube or just when you're around movies as long as you're just around movies you see these sequences a lot but I don't think I've ever seen the
4:114 minutes, 11 secondsstory laid out in whole what about you Doug yeah first time the only thing I've ever really known about this film is
4:194 minutes, 19 secondsStallone in a beard he he had like a very big Serpico sort of look I think throughout the years I kind of always confused the two because he looks so
4:274 minutes, 27 secondsmuch like Serpico I think it's a far different film than Serpico is great around the same time 1970s feel very
4:354 minutes, 35 secondsheav heavy in the 70s Vibe with the music with the outfits and everything the Disco yes first time I saw it and I was
4:454 minutes, 45 secondspleasantly surprised well when we did this movie on the sly cast it was when we were still doing that we would do a
4:524 minutes, 52 secondscouple of years and just lump them all together in one episode when we were planning to but you know we we would do like you know Stallone 1980 to 1985
5:015 minutes, 1 secondminus the Rocky and Rambo movies or whatever Nighthawks was one of those episodes I think that got lumped in with like Victory and maybe one other movie
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsso we didn't really get to talk about the movie in detail you know we sort of did our comess review of it so I'm looking forward to this full coverage of
5:175 minutes, 17 secondsit in addition to the Disco soundtrack you also get almost the entire Brown Sugar by The Rolling Stones which has to
5:255 minutes, 25 secondsbe a rare occurrence I mean especially for that time you weren't really I don't think the were a band that was probably
5:315 minutes, 31 secondseasy to license for a movie it played forever so there's two theories one well it's a great song but two they paid the rights for
5:405 minutes, 40 secondsit that's what think they're like we paid $150,000 for this song we're gonna use every minute of it they used every
5:475 minutes, 47 secondsminute and the whole sequence of course was just of them looking in the bar for wolfgar that's the two detectives played
5:545 minutes, 54 secondsby of course Stallone and Billy D and they're just looking around this club like how long can we drag looking for
6:026 minutes, 2 secondsthis guy in the club sequence but yeah it was a fun sequence and it was a great of course it's a great song The Score it's kind of a a unique score and I
6:096 minutes, 9 secondsguess at the time it was kind of gimmicky to bring in like a rock guy to do the music for your movie but this score was done by Keith Emerson which is
6:176 minutes, 17 secondskind of a big deal well he was in Emerson Lake and Palmer ELP which was a big prag rock band in the 70s you know
6:256 minutes, 25 secondshe had a multi- deade career in music he took his life within the last two three years I believe 2016 I did like it it
6:326 minutes, 32 secondswas like a rocking soundtrack it had funky bass Jazz mixture rock it was a mixture of everything
6:436 minutes, 43 seconds[Music]
7:007 minutesthen mixed in with it was actual songs from a lot of they got they must have spent a lot of money on music rice because there were songs from everywhere
7:087 minutes, 8 secondsthe one band was rossington Alan rossington band or something like that from Leonard skinnard well Gary rossington was the guitar player one of
7:157 minutes, 15 secondsthe guitar players for Leonard skinnard I think he's the only one that's like still alive and playing with the band okay like out of out of all their guitar
7:237 minutes, 23 secondsplayers the other two are dead Skinner's keyboard player dead rossington might be like the only original oral or you know
7:317 minutes, 31 seconds70s era skard guy still with skard although I'm sure there's people yelling at their screen right now or their speakers how wrong I am you know that's
7:397 minutes, 39 secondsfine that we're not experts on anything obviously people if they really want to just read you know there are podcasts I admit there are podcasts that do this
7:467 minutes, 46 secondsthey just literally read from Wikipedia we can do that but our uh our reviews are more about how we felt you know silly things that kind of stuck out to
7:547 minutes, 54 secondsus uh where Stallone podcast so what you know what was Stallone like in the film what did he look like things like that and actually I do want to talk we we talked at the beginning of how he looked
8:038 minutes, 3 secondshe had the beard was this the last time he had a beard from this point until Rocky 4 I would think so yeah I think
8:128 minutes, 12 secondsthe Rocky 4 beard was actually fake yeah I mean I would imagine so because like what's Rocky 4 gonna shut down
8:198 minutes, 19 secondsproduction for weeks really I mean or you filmed the beer scene first and then you shave it for the other scenes if you
8:268 minutes, 26 secondsthink about Rocky 4 was also filming around the same time where the production of that was concurrent with
8:348 minutes, 34 secondswell not concurrent but filmed in very close proximity was Rambo First Blood Part Two so it's not like Sly had a lot of time to sit around and and grow a
8:428 minutes, 42 secondsbeard I was gonna say that's a shame if it was if it was fake a rocky four because I love that beard it is actually I'm 90% sure I'm I'm like 90% sure it
8:518 minutes, 51 secondswas a fake beard well look look at the beard here in Nighthawks and compared to the one in Rocky 4 I mean Nighthawks is pretty much his natural a well trimmed
9:009 minutesit's a Well groomed beard I mean well Doug do you have the synopsis of the film before we get two to it's been so long since we did one of these that I
9:089 minutes, 8 secondsforgot to do it basically you've got two undercover cops who work in the um Street crime unit well the movie opens
9:169 minutes, 16 secondswith a woman who's not not the only time he's in drag
9:249 minutes, 24 secondsStallone he's wearing a mask I hadn't seen this film before but I'm watching it and of course I'm I got the high def going and I'm like that a weird looking
9:329 minutes, 32 secondslady I love how this is 1981 they didn't have any female police officers I was just going to say that that's the absurdity of that scene really it's like
9:419 minutes, 41 secondscome on you know there's plenty of I'm sure there were plenty of women officers you know Street crimes unit no but they
9:489 minutes, 48 secondsstill can have her play The Bait and then they come do what they're going to do to so basically I guess crime is so
9:559 minutes, 55 secondsrampant so rampant they can literally just put a woman on Street you're gonna have four guys raping her I mean that's what is New York City in the in the in
10:0410 minutes, 4 secondsthe late 70s early 80s I mean it was it was a dangerous time I mean I'm not gonna the New York City that we know and love
10:1110 minutes, 11 secondstoday is a lot different than the one from 40 years ago I mean even if you watch like Jason Takes Manhattan which
10:2010 minutes, 20 secondsmost of it was filmed in your neck of the woods uh Ryan in Canada they did film in Time Square and that was Time Square when it was like porn
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondstheaters and you know there was a chance you could get mug even watch like Jason Takes Manhattan you'll see the the scary
10:3710 minutes, 37 secondsNew York City I think it steadly got worse through the 70s and really like hit its peak under mayor denkin in the
10:4410 minutes, 44 seconds80s yeah well remember like Bernard gs do you do you remember that Ryan yeah he was like a Subway vigilante oh he would
10:5210 minutes, 52 secondsride the subway and he had like what a pet rat dug he would wait for people to mess with him he would shoot him it was
11:0011 minuteslike a real life Death Wish yeah it was insane so uh Louise mozo just chimed in he says he can't stay too long he does
11:0811 minutes, 8 secondslisten to the shows on the audio and he says but he just wanted to check out some of the live recording show you mofo some love so
11:1511 minutes, 15 secondsthanks awesome cheers Luis okay uh Drew is also there chiming in he said that the club scene is his favorite scene in
11:2311 minutes, 23 secondsthe movie yeah nice it's a good scene so this movie starts off with the big mugging or the attempted mugging of course Stallone's character which his
11:3211 minutes, 32 secondsname is uh oh boy excuse me de Silva d silvaa That's Right takes off his mask and reveals that Doug shaking his head
11:4011 minutes, 40 secondsat me all the time he T this this is your synopsis this is like your two-minute synopsis no I'm going a little I'm kind of going a little bit because I do have notes I did take notes
11:4811 minutes, 48 secondsat the beginning so I'm kind of going we can talk about certain scenes because this opening scene is worth talking about because he's in drag he beat he beats up the muggers cuz he's a guy guys
11:5711 minutes, 57 secondscan beat up guys but girls can't beat up guys guys there was a foot chase with him in in stockings and a a nurse dress chasing down these muggers probably
12:0512 minutes, 5 secondsbetter than running in Converse right you would think so it orthoped but that guy he's chasing I believe that was
12:1212 minutes, 12 secondsstunt guy named Tommy Rose who probably seen in like a million movies in the 80s you saw him get shot set on fire thrown
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsoff a cliff that dude was a one of the goto stunt guys okay nice so when this movie started we have of course Sly or
12:2912 minutes, 29 secondsdeick does his fight with the bad guy at the fans they beat him up he takes the scarf and strangles him and he arrests him and then he drags him under arrest
12:3812 minutes, 38 secondson the pavement back to his vehicle I guess or something and he's dragging him by the scarf on the pavement and he's you know reading the Miranda rights to
12:4612 minutes, 46 secondshim as he's dragging him and he ends the Miranda rights with amen you have the right to a legal counsel you have the right to remain
12:5412 minutes, 54 secondssilent and anything you say can be used in the court of law against
13:0013 minutesamen this is now 6 seven minutes into the film I'm like oh is this a
13:0713 minutes, 7 secondscomedy am I supposed to said you didn't know at that point well I I knew that it had some grittiness to the film kind of like a 48 Hours some comedy or even
13:1513 minutes, 15 secondsBeverly Hills Cop was kind of a gritty comedy this is the 80s right but he's dragging a suspect on the ground which I don't think is legal by your neck
13:2413 minutes, 24 secondsprobably not no with the scarf around him reading the Miranda writes but anyways then I think think oh this is a bit of a comedy and if you want to right
13:3113 minutes, 31 secondsnow why don't we talk about the attempt at comedy throughout this film do you want to point on any references to the comedic bits that fell flat I thought
13:4013 minutes, 40 secondswas there any attempts I didn't get any what what do you well just the idea that the light-heartedness like the partner
13:4913 minutes, 49 secondsbetween um Matthew Fox played by Billy D Williams and D Silva played by Stallone I loved their Chemistry by the way they
13:5713 minutes, 57 secondswere great together they good together they were elbowing each other at the brief this is stuff you do in you know eighth grade I I don't know it it felt
14:0614 minutes, 6 secondsweird that they were doing this like yeah you're touching me you're touching me I don't know they're being silly with each other be oh you're such a troublemaker start
14:1314 minutes, 13 secondstrouble okay why are you always such trouble then he flicked them with the pencil I I don't know I I didn't get I
14:2214 minutes, 22 secondsdidn't really get too much of that did you guys catch all the rocky rocky stuff uh Joe spanel mhm that's the big one yes
14:3014 minutes, 30 secondsso Joel who plays Gazo uh his ex-wife played by Lindsay Wagner why even have her in the movie I mean like what a
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondswaste The Bionic Woman there's actually more to talk about that because there's some deleted scenes that happened in the film between uh Lindsay Wagner and
14:4714 minutes, 47 secondsStallone that would have had more of her in it there was a scene at the end of the movie where they went they went remember they had that phone call conversation they were supposed to go on a
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondsdate well all right how about this why don't we have dinner together next weekend we could go to your favorite
15:0215 minutes, 2 secondslittle guy in restaurant did I say something that brought that on maybe are you serious
15:1115 minutes, 11 secondsabsolutely well how about I make the reservations then yeah I'll call you on Friday okay bye
15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsbye it was the end of the movie and it ended with her saying that she wasn't going to remarry or be with him again and had Stone's character crying and he
15:2815 minutes, 28 secondsyeah he had a down or something and it ended up getting cut I know Sly is getting ready to prep a Rocky 4
15:3515 minutes, 35 secondsdirector's cut but I think in the fandom there's two movies that people would rather have the directors cut for before
15:4315 minutes, 43 secondsthat and I think Cobra is probably the first one on most people's list and then the other one is Nighthawks whichone has talked about I think didn't Stallone
15:5115 minutes, 51 secondstalk about like a two-hour cut of the movie there's a lot of deleted scenes but speaking of deleted scenes again here's a remember we talked about the
15:5915 minutes, 59 secondsSpecialists that rumor has it or the trivia has it that Stallone was a little bit uh yeah yeah yeah jealous of James
16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsWoods yeah because James Woods is a scene stealer he's very charismatic actor and I mean we love Sly we love him
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsbut like you can have a favorite band it doesn't mean they're the best musicians in the world and it kind of bugged me to hear this that even this early in his
16:2516 minutes, 25 secondscareer I mean yeah he had Rocky and yeah Rocky 2 was out at this point too right yes yeah so Rocky 2 was out big success
16:3416 minutes, 34 secondsbut again this rumor was that yeah during this filming ruer Hower who played wolfgar this was his first big film and he did a great job in a debut
16:4316 minutes, 43 secondsfilm a Norwegian actor first American Film yeah yeah yeah first America story actually wasn't he Dutch yeah Dutch okay
16:5016 minutes, 50 secondsno Dutch he worked a lot with the Dutch actor pauler hovan who made RoboCop we'll have to ask SEO if he's a National
16:5616 minutes, 56 secondsTreasure like Paul Hogan is Australia so but this what you're saying about him recutting around James Woods
17:0417 minutes, 4 secondsto like kind of shine more of the spotlight on himself and less on James Woods they showed two versions of this film the test audiences one that
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondshighlighted more of wolf G's character and one that highlighted more of of uh Stallone's character and the test
17:2017 minutes, 20 secondsaudiences liked the one that showed more of Rucker Hower and and that pissed the loone off so he like went into The Cutting Room and just sliced it up and
17:2917 minutes, 29 secondsand recut it so it featured him more it just goes to show that even back then again we love Sly but he's got to be the first one to admit that in the 80s and
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondsin the '90s he's admitted that he had an eagle he admits it I don't think he has that anymore the way he did but it very much the case it was in his 30s mid-30s
17:4617 minutes, 46 secondslike we get it he was young compared to 74 he I think he's humbled and wiser now we all are when we get older but all that being said I'm just saying that
17:5417 minutes, 54 secondswe're not we're not trying to crap on him but we're to explain this might be the history of his life how is it that the studio allowed that I mean is that normal for actors to meddle with editing
18:0318 minutes, 3 secondsthat much it all depends probably on the contract he had he might have had clause in his contract that he had a say in the
18:1018 minutes, 10 secondsFinal Cut or something like that he took over production of the film after they fired the first director well that
18:1618 minutes, 16 secondsdirector he wasn't like a an active working director he had a a proximity to
18:2318 minutes, 23 secondsJohn G adson he played the ring announcer in the first two Karate Kid movies yeah and he did like I think a
18:3118 minutes, 31 secondsdocumentary and a Steve Gutenberg movie did hard to kill with Steven as well he was the replacement director the guy that they fired the first time I I don't
18:3918 minutes, 39 secondsknow what the guy's name was I forget his name too he was a Disney Channel worker or something or Disney film worker he wasn't able to show up and so Stallone directed the first day of
18:4818 minutes, 48 secondsfilming and that whole Subway scene I guess was done in one day CU Stallone directed it the subway scene where they're chasing them on the train or down the abandoned tunnels I I don't
18:5718 minutes, 57 secondsknow one of the other that was part of the same sequence anyway the same foot chase and then yeah of course the Director's Guild got really uh they're very strict about that well the studio
19:0519 minutes, 5 secondsmade a plea to the Director's Guild and they allowed it I actually think that the movie benefits from having less wolf
19:1419 minutes, 14 secondscar and he's the villain anytime that you limit the villain's exposure it makes them more powerful of a Villain
19:2119 minutes, 21 secondsLike the shark and Jaws exactly maybe give him some benefit to doubt the guy's a Creator you know he is a Creator there might have been a part of was like oh Ru
19:2919 minutes, 29 secondsG Hower is stealing the show but it's not his show it's not called wolfgar it's called Nighthawks and Nighthawks refers to the cops who work the street K unit at night they go out there and they
19:3819 minutes, 38 secondstake care of the crime at night and so it is based or it's about the guys that work the night shift interesting to note that Stallone did not write this movie
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsas well or co-write it so that's probably him exerting himself and post a little bit too you know we're so used to Stallone being involved in the scripts
19:5619 minutes, 56 secondsof his movies if it even if it's like the Creed movies where every Rocky scene Stallone wrote every bit of dialogue for
20:0320 minutes, 3 secondsbut this movie he doesn't have any credit for a writing perspective well we're talking about Rocky isms though
20:1120 minutes, 11 secondsone of the first things I caught this happened near the beginning of the film and I was like I wonder if we're going to get more of these and we do so one of the first things we get is his ex-wife
20:1820 minutes, 18 secondsher name is Irene played by linday Wagner you people grow de and I don't understand why you can't get transferred off the streets I don't understand why you have to do these insane kind of
20:2720 minutes, 27 secondsthings why why the hell can't you change I did I almost expect her to say everybody
20:3420 minutes, 34 secondselse does that is a common phrase but there's two films like only four years apart where the the question is asked to the main character played by Stallone
20:4220 minutes, 42 secondswhy can't you change and then his character made these weird little sounds to his uh did you catch that when he's like rubbing her face he's like come on
20:5120 minutes, 51 secondscome on kiss me I I feel like he's gonna say I'm gonna
21:0021 minuteskiss you you don't have to kiss me back I'm gonna rub your cheek you don't have to rub mine back oh Sly yeah he's got her corner he stroking her face it was
21:0821 minutes, 8 secondsvery reminiscent of the Adrien first kiss we're talking about Rucker Howard's character he kills a lot of people in this film yeah he's a very effective
21:1721 minutes, 17 secondskiller the opening body count for him he blows up that department store I mean how many people were in that store this is going to be a really deep cut for you
21:2621 minutes, 26 secondsguys but do you know who the the counter girl that he talks to who that what other role she played she was Maggie in
21:3321 minutes, 33 secondsthe last starf fighter and no other nerds in the house funny enough I think the first director might have directed that film yeah let's talk about that
21:4221 minutes, 42 secondsopening sequence there with the bombing very well done shows you how ruthless this guy is but do we get what organization or what his message is as a
21:5121 minutes, 51 secondsterrorist what it is that he's trying to like if he got his end game what his end game is he was part of some bigger
21:5821 minutes, 58 secondsmovement but they kind of wrote him off after because they said that there were children that were killed in that bombing and he was like too much of a
22:0622 minutes, 6 secondsloose can for them or so they wrote him off so he was pretty much on his own but I don't know what his platform was what was he terrorizing for no country was
22:1422 minutes, 14 secondsever mentioned he just said he spoke for the people that don't have a voice I do not enjoy killing but it's my job
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondssomeone has to do it I represent oppressed victims who have nothing I speak only for them I'm their
22:3122 minutes, 31 secondsvoice I'm a liberator you think you're a liberator it
22:3922 minutes, 39 secondsfascinates he gives that note to Stallone for the Press at the end of on the tram car but we never know it
22:4722 minutes, 47 secondscontents Ryan watching this for the first time did you think that ruer Howard kind of looked weird in that opening scene I know rord how obviously
22:5522 minutes, 55 secondsfrom Blade Runner more than anything I know who he is films but I'm not a huge fan of his like a fall to his career so I admit at the very beginning when that
23:0323 minutes, 3 secondsgentleman with the beard walked into the department store I'm like I know he plays the bad guy now he's putting a bomb under the clerk's desk or whatever
23:1123 minutes, 11 secondscounter so there's a part of me like oh was that was that record how I kid you not I went on Wikipedia and I went on IMDb to see if somebody else played
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondswolfgar no that was him I mean I think they built up his nose a little bit okay because they talked about him wanting a more slender nose it was mainly whatever
23:2823 minutes, 28 secondsProsthetics they did for his nose and the beard and maybe he looked a little puffed up I think however they did that it was definitely him I got tricked
23:3723 minutes, 37 secondsbecause I don't know the actor very well if it was Stallone being disguised like we all know it'd be very hard to to disguise Stallone he wouldd have to have so much Prosthetics onto that you know
23:4523 minutes, 45 secondsvery distinct features we know him so well but I admit I was like is that a different actor did they just get I I didn't know because it was a young Rucker Howard too like he was young
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondslooking I almost know him more of his older years look it was great they did a great job for the record um Gary Nelson
24:0024 minuteswas fired the first director the director of last star frighter was Dick Castle ah wonder what the connection I did some sort of might have been a soundtrack producer or something cuz I
24:0924 minutes, 9 secondscame up in my IMDb Wormhole speaking of Body Count I love his first when he's at that college
24:1724 minutes, 17 secondsparty and he shoots The Courier and the three police officers through his guitar case do you think he would would have been able to pull off the kills without
24:2524 minutes, 25 secondsthe guitar case or was that just a fun little uh if they had seen him holding a gun they probably would have approached him differently no they ran up the
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondsstairs and they had two seconds and he laid them like what I loved about that there was no standoff or anything he literally just they ran up the stairs and they looked up and they got mowed
24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsdown in a very bloody fashion too there was a comment here by Drew he wants us to answer this question better partner for Sly Billy D Williams in Nighthawks
24:5124 minutes, 51 secondsor Kurt Russell and Tangle and cash this is going to be controversial because I'm a huge Kurt Russell fan
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondsif I had a list five actors that I'll watch any movie they do Kurt Russell's probably oh yeah on that list hands down his performance in his chemistry with
25:0725 minutes, 7 secondsStallone in Tango and cash is awesome but I gotta say that there's the scene
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondswhere Billy D convinces de to take the assignment he's asking us to commit ourselves to stopping a a a a terrorist
25:2425 minutes, 24 secondswho's capable of wiping out hundreds of people in one shot just like that all right right now you're one of the best
25:3125 minutes, 31 secondshe's looking at you as one of the best and you can't back off now you got to stay with
25:3925 minutes, 39 secondsit think about it okay it's up to you that scene is a phenomenal scene I think
25:4725 minutes, 47 secondsBilly D acts it wonderfully and I think Stallone's performance in that scene is great and it was just watching Billy D
25:5525 minutes, 55 secondswork with Stallone in that scene for me I have to say that Billy D was the better partner better I love Billy D I
26:0226 minutes, 2 secondsloved him in this I wonder if there was more of this part of him too because at that drug bust he really went off on that one drug dealer that that had the
26:1126 minutes, 11 secondskid inside the house and like you really believed that he was going to blow that guy's head off right there I wonder if there could have been more about like
26:1926 minutes, 19 secondswhy that hit him so hard what was his involvement because I was like why does he acting like he knows this guy there were other cops that they paid off so it
26:2826 minutes, 28 secondsseemed like the drug dealer was I already paid off you guys like why why are you okay all right maybe we'll find out in the reboot that's going to be on
26:3626 minutes, 36 secondsthe peacock network streaming service I think that'd be great because it's going to be a bbo production it's his first TV production that's kind of cool now do
26:4326 minutes, 43 secondsthey have peacock up in Canada or actually no you can't because I I know CBS CBS all access is not available in
26:5126 minutes, 51 secondsCanada so I assume NBC is the same but a lot of those shows are all access this totally tangent but like for example peard yeah it's on Netflix in Canada
26:5926 minutes, 59 secondsright it's on our crave it's called crave TV but it's the same thing yeah it's Discovery as well yes we get it yeah that's the thing we get everything that's available on our own paid
27:0727 minutes, 7 secondsServices here they just cont where you get lower decks I haven't seen it yet so I don't know I'll let you know hey no um I owe you an apology because I'm looking
27:1527 minutes, 15 secondsthrough my notes here and there was in The Briefing Fox gets the Silva with a hand buzzer like one of those old fashioned
27:2427 minutes, 24 secondsyes I that's right they're poking each other with their elbows a hand buzzer gag yeah you're right apologize anyways when
27:3227 minutes, 32 secondsdid 48 Hours come out 82 or 83 okay let's find out yeah it had to be well it was before Beverly Hills Cop which was
27:4127 minutes, 41 seconds84 okay yeah 1982 so the surgeon that reconstructed wolfg guard's face just so you know he
27:4827 minutes, 48 secondsdoesn't work on Sundays usually it's the Lord's day that is the last Sunday he ever worked because he
27:5527 minutes, 55 secondsgot killed too on the Lord's Day well this whole plastic surgery thing he did the surgery like that day there wasn't
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsany kind of preop preparation they needed to do blood tests the thing that really bugs me about this is you know you have to factor in recovery time
28:1228 minutes, 12 secondswe're talking what couple of weeks what four to six weeks probably before he looks normal again there was a detail
28:1928 minutes, 19 secondshere that pissed me off because the only reason that they know that wolfgar has changed his looks is because he used a
28:2728 minutes, 27 secondscaliber of bullet that is like specific or or tied to wolfgar like why would he do that there was a plastic surgeon
28:3528 minutes, 35 secondsmurdered in Paris recently the method and caliber of the bullet used was the same as wolfgar is used in similar assassinations so gentlemen you may now
28:4428 minutes, 44 secondslook entirely different yeah there's a that's a very good point this guy is so willing to not be caught that he changes
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondshis face but he leaves forensic evidence behind that leads no wonder his terrorist group doesn't want anything do with this guy he's he's not a loose
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondscannon but he's not very bright he's just chaotic and a killer they could have done a line where he's like I wanted them to know that I was still out there but now I look different or
29:0729 minutes, 7 secondssomething like you said it made him look completely incompetent wouldn't you use a burner weapon or something or something that couldn't be tied back to
29:1529 minutes, 15 secondsyou forensically and why would you have a calling card in the first place like a you know you use the same caliber bullet every time that's weird they could have
29:2229 minutes, 22 secondsshaved his beard cut his hair and dyed it and he would have been a completely different person yes and the lenses so he could have blue eyes yeah that's that
29:3029 minutes, 30 secondswas very specific he wanted those well I liked how the doctor when he asked for blue eyes he looked at his eyeball like he's going to take it out and replace it
29:3729 minutes, 37 secondswith another eyeball look it's like just give me contact lenses the guy went up to his eyes like yeah I think we can uh I think we can make those eyes blue well
29:4529 minutes, 45 secondswith what that's how they corrected Vision back then Ryan don't you know they just scoop out the one and put in another that's right to's character he
29:5329 minutes, 53 secondshad a drawing that he was working on so he had the picture of what wolf guard looked like pre-surgery he just I guess
30:0230 minutes, 2 secondsassumed what the natural alteration might how would you know that put this way if I if I went to a professional artist I said look I'm going to you're
30:1030 minutes, 10 secondsnot going to know but I'm going to get my face mucked up so you can't recognize me anymore draw what I'm going to look like how would the artist know how does
30:1830 minutes, 18 secondsslice character even have any idea enough that he was able to ID him at the bar say look it just if I just erase this little line here on his cheekbone it's
30:2630 minutes, 26 secondshim come on D listen why don't we check out another place wait
30:3230 minutes, 32 secondswait I say I did this C this off yeah he could look something like that
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondscouldn't he yeah I guess so why cuz that standing over there I got a feeling well
30:4830 minutes, 48 secondsyou want to go check him out I think it was they were trying to focus on his eyes I think he saw something in his eyes that dead psychopath look I don't
30:5730 minutes, 57 secondsknow what it was but then in the middle of the bar because he had the drawing with the beard on in the middle of the bar he pulls out the drawing he's like wait what if he did this and this and
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondslike he erased the beard and Drew some cheek lines how dark is it normally inside of a bar or a nightclub very to
31:1231 minutes, 12 secondsput that together yeah this had the movie lighting or whatever but he he was what 25 30 feet away yeah and I thought the first two guys that he saw that
31:2031 minutes, 20 secondsresembled him were him what's funny is he altered the picture to match the guy he could have done that for anybody why don't I just make his nose look smaller
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsmake his cheekbones a little bit more sunken in it's that guy right there yeah yeah there was an intelligent movie Somewhere in this movie I haven't really
31:3731 minutes, 37 secondsgiven my thoughts on the film as how I feel about it Rucker Hower saved the film overall every scene that he was in he was good even though it's the plot
31:4431 minutes, 44 secondsdevices that he had to act in weren't very good that wasn't his fault as an actor And the fact I think all the moving parts of the actors did a good
31:5131 minutes, 51 secondsjob I think everyone in their role of what they did I think they brought it to the table I think there was just I think there's a film in there somewhere again
32:0032 minutesthat got mucked up on the editing table didn't have a very good flow and there's a lot of plot devices I know it's 1981 but why do people in 1981 think that
32:0732 minutes, 7 secondsjust by carrying a picture around that there should have been a different way to identify him it's not that hard to come up with something I think you and I the three of us sit us down for half an hour I think we could come up with a
32:1632 minutes, 16 secondsbetter idea of how it is they identify him at the bar fine they go to the haunts and hideouts this guy's at that's fine that makes sense that's police work
32:2432 minutes, 24 secondsbut why are we going off a sketch of someone who thinks he might look this way that doesn't make sense in the real world or not even throwing that they got
32:3132 minutes, 31 secondsyour passport and they have your photo anyway like if they had I guess they needed a phot because was that the only known photo of him his passport photo
32:4032 minutes, 40 secondsthat's the one that kept showing so he had to change his look I don't know so I got my next Rocky reference if you guys want to hear it they're at the police
32:4732 minutes, 47 secondsforce and they're talking to Gazo and they've been assigned to the anti-terrorist group from their street
32:5532 minutes, 55 secondscrime unit and he says here for 9 years have been working decoy and now I'm being pulled off and I want to know what
33:0233 minutes, 2 secondsfor come on my for 9 years I've been working decoy right now I'm pulled I'd like to know what for you get it did you
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsget what that's connected for six years i' oh yeah yeah yeah for six years now yeah so he actually says it's a different line but sly's got to know I
33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsjust said this in like in my most famous film five years ago where I said for 6 years I've been coming here for you've been sticking to me I want to know how
33:2633 minutes, 26 secondscome and gos should have said yeah you don't want to know you want to know and then I love it
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondswhen uh when s's character D Silva touches Joel spin's character manufa or whatever his name he goes it flipped out
33:4033 minutes, 40 secondshe goes get your head off me sucker and this department will Ex understand every courtesy do you understand no I don't understand get your hands off me
33:4833 minutes, 48 secondsunderstand that sucker speaking of sound bites and going back to the well we didn't get to the
33:5533 minutes, 55 secondstrain chase yet do you want to or we can go back well there at the end of that after Fox gets his face sliced D Silva's
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondsscreaming like I'm going to kill you I'm going to kill you mother you know Leep his meltdown is just awesome and especially at the end like the last
34:1334 minutes, 13 secondsmother that he says sorry on the YouTube videos you can swear I'll edit it for the podcast it's fine but the last one he says it he Rings it out and it Trails
34:2134 minutes, 21 secondsoff and it the sound turns into the train zooming down a tunnel it's like a really great piece of sound editing Stallone's got the great yell when he's
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondscrying over Mickey's body when he's he's doing Drago at the top of the mountain he's got the great guttural yell in his in his voice a very deep boisterous
34:3834 minutes, 38 secondsvoice he got it real grally and like he he does have a great yell what I love is this terrorist brief it's the longest
34:4634 minutes, 46 secondsbrief in history oh my God no wonder they're getting crazy to Silva and uh so so what's happened here folks is the
34:5434 minutes, 54 secondsSilva and Matthew Fox the two partners they've been pulled into this anti terrorist group to capture this known terrorist who made his way was it New
35:0135 minutes, 1 secondYork I'm sorry guys was it New York City yeah it was New York City okay so this terrorist is in New York City they've somehow got this Intel that he's in the
35:0835 minutes, 8 secondscity so they've gotten together all these different organizations the best from this group the best from this groups they got the two best guys in Street crime to be part of this
35:1735 minutes, 17 secondsanti-terrorist task force group and because of their military records yeah their military he has 52 confirmed kills yeah they're in this briefing and this
35:2535 minutes, 25 secondsbriefing goes on forever it's almost like a montage briefing it gets to one point where the intelligence officer
35:3235 minutes, 32 secondsfrom the UK is now asking them questions about characters in this Ploy shakah
35:3935 minutes, 39 secondsHalland OPEC raid Vienna and what what did she do in the op
35:4735 minutes, 47 secondsright okay once again she shot a policeman in the neck at Point Blank Range she kills without
35:5435 minutes, 54 secondsprovocation she's a known associate of wolf guards and Sila name the three successful
36:0236 minutes, 2 secondsanti-terrorist raids recorded worldwide look we've gone over and over this for days now and we'll go over it until its
36:0936 minutes, 9 secondssecond nature you have to learn to think like him to act with the same ruthlessness he does isn't this over
36:1736 minutes, 17 secondskill it's like a university course it it got it was over it was over several days they're like let's go out and get this guy and he's like we go out and get this
36:2636 minutes, 26 secondsguy after this T training is completed and then he goes name the top three successful anti-terrorism raids
36:3536 minutes, 35 secondsbut then de makes a great point he's his cover is always some woman who's clean he loses one he finds another we know hiso but what we don't know and what
36:4336 minutes, 43 secondswill never know sitting here de like is like basically this guy's a bozo he always finds a single woman to latch himself onto it as a street cop he knew
36:5236 minutes, 52 secondsthat that was the through line or the way to get to him Dee makes a pretty good point there if I was somehow in charge of script doctoring or like what
37:0137 minutes, 1 seconddoes make sense here I would have said well it's important to have the brief it's okay for the character to be a little bit annoyed by the brief but by the briefing but it should have been
37:0937 minutes, 9 secondsshortened we could still see the annoyance of the character being like let's get out there but at the same time my little knowledge in the military I'm sure Doug with your as a police
37:1837 minutes, 18 secondsofficer you know this it's important to get intelligence before you go out there you can't just go out the street look for the guy they got to know what he looks like what his emal the brief is
37:2537 minutes, 25 secondsimportant it's like a huddle before uh football play you have to have what's our plan before we go out there yeah but a huddle doesn't take days and days the
37:3237 minutes, 32 secondsproblem is they know that this guy's in New York they know that he's going to kill a bunch of people because he he wants to get on the news and he wants to make a name for himself but there's no
37:4137 minutes, 41 secondssense of urgency yeah that's a great I have a quick briefing this is where he hangs out he latches on the to single women at these discos and Shacks up with
37:4937 minutes, 49 secondsthem as His base of operations what a horrible Mo so his MO is he finds a female that will take him in and
37:5737 minutes, 57 secondsbasically live with him to store his cash of Armory this is actually his known Mo that he uses a girl's residence
38:0538 minutes, 5 secondsto store his good why can't he just get an apartment or basement suite and nobody finds his stuff why complicate it just so he has somebody else to kill in
38:1438 minutes, 14 secondsthe movie another innocent person that that they want to kill oh we just got Drew just chimed in he said mentioned Doug is
38:2238 minutes, 22 secondsa police officer in every episode
38:2338 minutes, 23 seconds[Laughter]
38:2638 minutes, 26 secondscheck it's your bingo card your theone podcast Network bingo card yeah Ryan's
38:3238 minutes, 32 secondsemmo Ryan's emo is make bad jokes mention thg's a cop Craig to fall asleep take no notes
38:4138 minutes, 41 secondsyeah doing no notes and then offering up [ __ ] facts well Craig ruined your other part of youro when you mentioned Judge Dread when's the Judge Dread
38:4938 minutes, 49 secondsepisode coming out well now it's the Assassins I think this is the second episode where we've asked about when's assassins coming out Ryan I got to tell you the assassins recording it was the
38:5938 minutes, 59 secondsfirst time that myself Jeff Ferry and Mike kunda had sat down and podcasted together in a very very long time I'd
39:0639 minutes, 6 secondshave to pull the file up but it's two and a half 240 you know what editing's like I mean you're you're an editing
39:1339 minutes, 13 secondsBeast man if I wasn't such a meticulous editor I would pop those episodes out to
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondssit down with 240 minutes of raw audio alone you have to deal with all the [ __ ] on my end the birds the dogs
39:2839 minutes, 28 secondsthe police cars in my old apartment I respect the heck out of the fact that you're able to churn out content the way you are because I sit down to edit and I
39:3839 minutes, 38 secondsI'll do 10 minutes of work uh it'll take me 40 50 60 minutes and then I'm done for the day now you've uh created it so
39:4639 minutes, 46 secondsI have to edit that whole thing out that you just talked about let me give you a little clapboard
39:5639 minutes, 56 secondsyeah did you guys catch during the brief what his description of a Terrace is his three things what he likes his pattern is that he immediately makes female
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondscontacts to establish safe housing with Armory he also has a liking for fancy foods expensive clothes and The Nightlife so first is that he gets a
40:1340 minutes, 13 secondsfemale store his or his Armory at the house he likes fancy foods expensive clothes and the High Life Sounds like
40:2140 minutes, 21 secondsyou oh I wear the same shirt and my wife buys me new clothes cuz I refuse to buy things for myself he sounds like your standard James Bond
40:2940 minutes, 29 secondsvillain that road case that he used that the girl finds in the closet those things haven't changed the way they look in 40 years when I go back to my job
40:3840 minutes, 38 secondswhenever I finally go back after this pandemic that road case is on a shelf in our office and is he just walking
40:4640 minutes, 46 secondsthrough the streets of New York swinging that thing around she looked like she really struggled to pull it out he had a couple of guns in there what else was in
40:5340 minutes, 53 secondsthere grenad grenades it's crazy he had grenades in there I like how they're all lined up in a row was nice it was like very neatly laid out grenades I like
41:0141 minutes, 1 secondwhat she was saying to him you know when they had their awkward little first date where she's mentioning that she's a a flight attendant or stewardess that
41:1041 minutes, 10 secondsshe's basically a flying waitress and her name was Pam and she works for PanAm and then she's all awkward and silly but she goes I like to dance I I felt so bad
41:1841 minutes, 18 secondsfor cuz I knew the kill was coming but then she goes what do you do for work and he's like well I'm an international ter terrorist and a lady killer you know
41:2741 minutes, 27 secondsI never asked you what you do well besides dance a lot I fly for National
41:3541 minutes, 35 secondsI'm Pam fly me that's an airline joke sort of don't get me wrong I don't actually fly the
41:4341 minutes, 43 secondsplane I'm just a stewardess or flying waitress as some people call us but I'd really rather dance and do any of that
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondshow about you me mhm I'm an international terrorist wanted by the police in half the countries of Europe
41:5741 minutes, 57 secondsand I am a lady care sure sure that yeah oh
42:0542 minutes, 5 secondsyou but that was a great delivery and a great little line there where it's one of those it's a bit of a Trope that happens in movies every now where you say the truth because it's so absurd
42:1242 minutes, 12 secondsthat no one's going to believe you yeah I liked a lot about his character yeah he acted the [ __ ] out of this for real
42:1942 minutes, 19 secondsthere was um the English guy Hartman is going over the Silva's military record when he mentions the 52 registered kills in Vietnam
42:2742 minutes, 27 secondsdeep to Sila drafted into the army August the 4th 1969 volunteered for Airborne School applied for accepted by
42:3642 minutes, 36 secondsofficers candidates School reassigned first lieutenant first Cavalry division Vietnam and much more most interesting statistic
42:4542 minutes, 45 secondsis 52 registered kills in combat service one would have said that you
42:5442 minutes, 54 secondswere quite Adept at pulling the trigger wouldn't one that was war let me just
43:0143 minutes, 1 secondsay that I have a feeling you'll do the right thing right time it seems like Hartman just wants them to find wolfgar and kill
43:1043 minutes, 10 secondshim good point yeah without bringing him in without arresting him without due process they just want him whacked the sil is I'm not going to do that I'm not just going to kill somebody because
43:1943 minutes, 19 secondsthere's too much risk involved with innocent people blah blah blah they make they make this a whole thing about him not wanting collateral damage which I guess is admirable but but they make
43:2743 minutes, 27 secondsthis a real plot point for the whole film maybe there was something years ago in earlier in his career where a straight bullet might have capped an
43:3443 minutes, 34 secondsinnocent person but that was never talked about yeah I mean there was really no payoff for it he was so hesitant about killing this guy because
43:4343 minutes, 43 secondsduring the briefing he like it sounds like he just want us to kill him I'm not a killer I didn't become a police officer to be a killer this is a
43:5143 minutes, 51 secondsterrorist he doesn't think like a criminal he wants to be a hero and you want to treat him like some Mugger on the street
43:5843 minutes, 58 secondsget inside the man's head damn it look I understand that but how do you expect me to understand that you're training us to be nothing but assassins and the only
44:0644 minutes, 6 secondsdifference between him and us will be the badge I don't know about you and I don't know about the rest of these men but I didn't join the force to kill
44:1444 minutes, 14 secondspeople and everyone in America no I'm joking uh Jesus but what I'm getting is well he's
44:2244 minutes, 22 secondsnot really saying that he's saying that this guy is a killer he's a a brutal in the the confines of the film he's already murdered people in London he's a
44:3144 minutes, 31 secondskiller in general so if you got a clean shot take the shot I don't think any agency would ever do that you want to always get people alive for information
44:3844 minutes, 38 secondsinformation is gold just to kill them doesn't you know you want to know what his network is so it it does seem odd a better film might have made this guy a
44:4744 minutes, 47 secondsbad guy too because he wants this guy dead so this kind of complex thing going on there's also that pesky thing called
44:5544 minutes, 55 secondsthe right to do process like the guy as big of a piece of [ __ ] as he is he deserves his day in court I guess and to
45:0245 minutes, 2 secondsget back to your train scene um Doug he's telling de to take the shot when he's got the knife to the woman's neck
45:1045 minutes, 10 secondsyou'd have to be a pretty damn good shot Precision shot yeah a sniper shot there is no cop in the world is GNA take that
45:1945 minutes, 19 secondsshot there was nothing on him that was visible for a clean shot and he was moving around there's nothing you can do you Cloud all damage I'm sure in your
45:2645 minutes, 26 secondsall s ASD I'm I know police officers obviously do want do not want to harm the public I can only imagine there's no police officer that would take that shot
45:3445 minutes, 34 secondsno you're taking uh an extreme risk at hitting the uh innocent the hostage or whatever because in that situation he's
45:4245 minutes, 42 secondsusing her as a shield he wants her alive let him get away at this point we don't want her dead it's not her fault this whole thing is happening he's going to
45:4945 minutes, 49 secondsget away that's fine because if he just slices her throw like he's not going to because then she'll die and he'll have
45:5645 minutes, 56 secondsan shot exactly we had a case here back in uh it was years ago in the wber center the shopping mall here in New
46:0346 minutes, 3 secondsJersey there was a guy who took a woman like that and the cop was a sharpshooter
46:1146 minutes, 11 secondskilled a guy and the hostage ended up suing the or police department for damages for mental anguish and whatever
46:1946 minutes, 19 secondsbecause the cop took that shot this isn't the litigious 1970s right you know the more recent times here but that's a possibility too
46:2646 minutes, 26 secondstoo a man the Woodbridge Mall yeah good old days huh I caught a film flub Ian there's a many but I actually caught a legit film flub it was the roson Collins
46:3546 minutes, 35 secondsband was playing on the record player okay you follow me here and the first song that was playing was getaway and
46:4346 minutes, 43 secondsthen she pushed the needle forward and my understanding is she pushed it from the outer inner she slid it Forward I double checked and by siging It Forward
46:5246 minutes, 52 secondsyou're going to the next song well the next song on the track list scene is actually opportunity so they had it
46:5946 minutes, 59 secondsbackwards wow now do you know every pressing of that album answer your question yes you prove me wrong and then we'll talk about
47:0847 minutes, 8 secondsit that is a very very deep pull Ryan thank you to call that a film flub is a I
47:1647 minutes, 16 secondsreally thought she went backwards though uh no she pushed it forward so in a sense either way you don't hear the you don't hear the scratch
47:2447 minutes, 24 seconds[Music]
47:3647 minutes, 36 secondsdid it very quickly and she was able to land right on the beginning of the song she knew that record well so we talked about his uh leaving PL so he did you
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsknow to be fair he left that bullet right at the surgeon's office but he also left evidence at the killed
47:5247 minutes, 52 secondsgirlfriend's house you remember what it was the map of wait what did he he bow oh he blew up the some something in a financial district that's right a little
48:0048 minutesbank or whatever at night he left the map at his girlfriend's house after he killed her cuz I was thinking how do they know this girl this dead girl has
48:0848 minutes, 8 secondsanything to do with the terrorist and that's how because a map was left there of yes found a steart is dead what steart is look if you guys on a command
48:1648 minutes, 16 secondshaven't heard of this girl maybe it's time you did we're not sure who A boyfri was but we've gone through a souvenirs it's like
48:2548 minutes, 25 secondsa road map of every disco Tech in singles bar in town so what's that have to do with us no nothing unusual except one thing that doesn't
48:3348 minutes, 33 secondsbelong a map of the Wall Street area the street that was bom was Circle I want you and fox to hit all the
48:4048 minutes, 40 secondsplaces she might have hung out somebody might have a beat on it all right we're on it the bomb location was circled yeah
48:4848 minutes, 48 secondsyeah so maybe he is doing it on purpose maybe it's his thrill being chased a little bit I want to give some props to
48:5548 minutes, 55 secondsStallone acting of course that scene where the where Hartman the English guy is going over his military record and he
49:0349 minutes, 3 secondstells the Silva like I have a feeling you'll do the right thing at the right time we talk a lot I'm
49:0949 minutes, 9 secondsrockentoon acting his face acting and he does a lot of that in this part when Hartman's talking to him he's he's
49:1749 minutes, 17 secondstaking it in and it's almost like when he he mentions Vietnam it almost is like in Stallone's mind the silvas back in
49:2449 minutes, 24 secondsVietnam at that moment thinking about these registered kills and it being War this isn't war that that was war so it
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondswas okay to to kill 52 people it was a good bit of face acting and when uh the commissioner says they go back and forth
49:3849 minutes, 38 secondsbetween Stallone and the commissioner a couple of times and then uh the commissioner says good evening to Silva and then they cut back to wolfgar but I
49:4649 minutes, 46 secondswish at the end of that after he says good evening they did like another shot of Stallone in that place doing some some more of that silent facial acting
49:5549 minutes, 55 secondsthat scene was good so like I said was he was good in this film totally made me wish that he did more of these type of films the gritty cop dramas are I love I
50:0450 minutes, 4 secondslove cop films and TV shows I'm a sucker for them I watch Blue Bloods I watch NYPD Blue I watch all that stuff man I love the cop dramas and TV shows so
50:1350 minutes, 13 secondsblame Rocky 3 yeah maybe maybe the other uh Rocky poll you ready two in one scene when
50:2150 minutes, 21 secondsthey're at that function with the UN function or whatever he's made friends with the English guy they become friends now they respect each other or what they
50:2950 minutes, 29 secondsdo I knew right then and there that guy was dead yeah yeah cuz it was too Jolly too jovial yeah cuz he said let's let's go for Chinese after or whatever Chinese
50:3850 minutes, 38 secondsafter this tonight's tasking let's go to get get a bite to eat and hang out as comrades he uh said uh do you want to pick the place or pay for it or whatever
50:4650 minutes, 46 secondsand Stallone's character's response was age before Beauty are you hungry h b
50:5250 minutes, 52 secondsChinese food lady look forward to it Silva by the way who's picking up the
51:0151 minutes, 1 secondcheck well I believe in age before Beauty don't you he's that same line two years later in rock
51:0951 minutes, 9 secondsE3 oh to Apollo when he enters the ring goes age before Beauty another rockism yes and then the fourth one was right
51:1851 minutes, 18 secondsafter that he runs up those steps steps those a lot of steps I think it's almost more than the Philadelphia
51:2451 minutes, 24 secondsArt Museum maybe anyway I had one too Ryan right before this he's talking to his ex on the phone when she asked him to dinner he says are you serious and
51:3351 minutes, 33 secondsshe says absolutely oh there you go maybe are you serious absolutely another
51:4151 minutes, 41 secondsStone ISM as he keep saying come on come on come on bad ass come on cut me bad ass come on come on come on come on come
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondson bad ass come on he always does that when he when he's in a fight he does that come on come oned yeah well yeah
51:5851 minutes, 58 secondsyeah I I sounded very good yeah yeah you know what I kept saying after I watched this movie I kept saying uh from uh
52:0652 minutes, 6 secondsExpendables 2 where he's calling out Von he's like come on Von come on Von come on
52:1452 minutes, 14 secondsban somebody's dying come on
52:2052 minutes, 20 secondsvanan come on Vain and they had 9 and11 back then I didn't know that give me 911 please an
52:2852 minutes, 28 seconds81 911 yeah sure the guy at the tram called for 911 I maybe Canada didn't have it then that's all I kind of
52:3752 minutes, 37 secondsremember it when it was big thing and I don't remember 6 years old when this movie came on I guess I already had it in States so good for you guys look at
52:4452 minutes, 44 secondsyou guys being Progressive 1968 according to uh the Google okay there you go at that moment it it was the
52:5152 minutes, 51 secondswolfg guard's partner the Shaka the female the girl who kills the uh commissioner you know everybody runs and
52:5852 minutes, 58 secondsfinds a commissioner dead manafo who's Jose manell says they have all the EX exits covered and the Silva goes forget it she's gone all right we got all the
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsexits coming forget it let me forget it she's gone forget it how he know was a female that killed him oh yeah didn't
53:1453 minutes, 14 secondsfox say it I don't want to take away your point but I think Billy D said that did he did he see did he see her well I
53:2153 minutes, 21 secondsdon't know about that but it was it was his line oh oh oh could have been a witness at the scene
53:2953 minutes, 29 secondsprobably described okay you know it was a woman Drew chimed in again he said that he agrees that Rocky 3 changed
53:3753 minutes, 37 secondseverything after that kind of success Stallone was never going to go back to small Grier movies yep I agree man it's
53:4553 minutes, 45 secondsa good point ah it's just too bad I just I like seeing Stallone in this though why was he dressed like a pimp the whole film I was that the undercover with the
53:5353 minutes, 53 secondsleather jacket those tinted glasses were those prescribed glasses yeah that was like the Serpico
54:0054 minuteslook I mean Serpico was real a real dude I think that was the undercover cop probably they had like a a style guide
54:0854 minutes, 8 secondshe looked cool he looked cool hey Ryan in the uh elevated tram car did you actually think that he was going to kill
54:1554 minutes, 15 secondsthe baby no cuz remember he wanted to be back at the good graces with his old terrorist group the reason why he got kicked out was because the terrorist
54:2354 minutes, 23 secondsgroup was against the killing of children so that's why he wanted to publicly saved the baby was to show both the states and his terrorist group that
54:3154 minutes, 31 secondsI'm not a baby killer look I I I will carry out this Mission but I'm going to protect the children see see to so he made it known that he was going to save
54:3854 minutes, 38 secondsthe baby that's why when he kills that one hostage in that tram he's using a a high-powered weapon there would there
54:4654 minutes, 46 secondshave been like other people that were impacted by that I mean it seemed like a weapon that's a really messy weapon ues
54:5354 minutes, 53 secondsare not that strong the thing about an Uzi is is its high capacity it's still only a 9mm it was Overkill basically
55:0055 minutesdefinitely Overkill but I think the collateral damage there would be would be hearing loss by everybody inside that tram car CU tight space that kill was
55:1055 minutes, 10 secondsfor drama and for like oh my cuz you know in films they don't really kill very often the hostage but I like this one's for you to Silva it just kills
55:1755 minutes, 17 secondsher this one's for you D Silva oh Christ don't do it oh God damn it MADD killed her I
55:2655 minutes, 26 secondsrequested no police way they dump her out of the tram it's very dump her out of the tram dude she took 200 drop yeah
55:3455 minutes, 34 secondsthe only thing I really maybe a better filmmaker would have done it you don't get any reaction from the husband well maybe maybe he's looking
55:4355 minutes, 43 secondsfor an out he gives he gives wolfgar like a wink I want to get back to clothes real
55:5255 minutes, 52 secondsquick who else loved that Superman shirt that had what was the story behind that I no
55:5955 minutes, 59 secondsidea I mean that's it's just another Telltale sign that this is a movie that was made 40 years ago because that's not a logo you would see I mean Superman was
56:0856 minutes, 8 secondsbig back then I think the first two had been out by then have they not yeah yeah but what what I'm saying is you don't do that nowadays there'd be probably you know rights that you'd have to clear and
56:1656 minutes, 16 secondsthings like that and they probably wouldn't want to give that kind of rub to a a competing franchise or whatever but and it wasn't even like that refined
56:2456 minutes, 24 secondsof a logo either it almost looked like a patch or something it look out a place for sure you know there are people
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondswho are just that nerdy about their likes interest you know some people even do a whole podcast on one
56:3956 minutes, 39 secondsperson who those losers well there's two idiots on this one at least I like that it says two idiots but
56:4856 minutes, 48 secondsthere's three of us so that's his game he knows there's three of us he says two idiots now you three you three fight it out he was dropping a little bit of
56:5656 minutes, 56 secondspoison into the water create internal tension that's right there's a moment when uh wolfgar is making his demands to
57:0457 minutes, 4 secondsthe police department and he says all these comrades that he wants released from their prisons yeah the following
57:1157 minutes, 11 secondscomrades are to be released before 10:00 muhamed yafi Rafael s Miroslav
57:1957 minutes, 19 secondsyakovich L chanta did that remind anybody of Hans grber and and Die Hard wonder if they picked that from this I
57:2757 minutes, 27 secondsthink there's a little bit of similarity in that and the ruthlessness of the killing of that hostage Hans grber did that too in Die Hard with that guy who
57:3557 minutes, 35 secondswas snorting cocaine at the desk whatever Ellis Ellis yeah Harry Ellis
57:4457 minutes, 44 secondsboobby that was improv by the way too uh what was it yeah that actor um he improv that line so that was pretty good let's
57:5257 minutes, 52 secondstalk about the end Doug did you know the reveal because this was your first watching did you know that was Sly and drag kind of a call back to the beginning of the film no I thought Sly
58:0158 minutes, 1 secondwas going to come in through the door BL uh oh you got some lag here folks just stand by you like Stallone's
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsbutt and like I love how he's wearing this wig and it's just popped on top of
58:1758 minutes, 17 secondshis head he doesn't have you know thing something to like his normal hair and why wouldn't he have worn the Absurd
58:2558 minutes, 25 secondsmask just repeat if you don't mind for the Audio I missed it so to say again what the issue was with slide not dress up properly oh did you hear me talk about
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondshis butt that's where I came in but I I missed how you led up to it at what point is it Stallone in that scene because okay when he first comes in the
58:4158 minutes, 41 secondsapartment it's a very slender person with a little bit of a butt clearly it's not Stallone or at least hopefully it's not Stallone I would argue that he was
58:4958 minutes, 49 secondsworking with his ex-wife because she actually walked into the building so they could have been working Cahoots together and once the door opens she goes to the side and he comes out
58:5658 minutes, 56 secondshm at what point did he know that she was a part of the plan she knew that he was out there Stallone's character would have said look This Is A Dangerous
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondsMission or whatever you're going to come home I'm going to be in the house right there with you you're going to walk through the door you do some dishes in the kitchen once that door opens you're
59:1259 minutes, 12 secondsgoing to go to the side the pantry and I'm going to come out so he'd risk a civilian that he has a relationship with but wouldn't depend on a police woman at
59:2159 minutes, 21 secondsthe beginning of the movie exactly a trained professional Drew uh mentioned that this movie was
59:2959 minutes, 29 secondsoriginally sequel to The French Connection or death wish can't remember which one it was the French Connection French Connection yeah part three supposed to be part three three Hackman
59:3859 minutes, 38 secondsdidn't want to do another one it was almost the exact same plot apparently this was very the story was already created and then they brought in the screenwriter to finish it up I think
59:4659 minutes, 46 secondsit's the screenwriter that did flight in the Navigator it's one of those things anyways so the screenwriter I know last star fighter sorry oh oh
59:5359 minutes, 53 secondsyeah The French Connection 3 what was going to be basically this story that's why you have the black cop character on
1:00:011 hour, 1 secondthe side because it supposed to be Richard PRI working with Gene hacker yeah and you would have had some comedy and by the way this writer did work on a
1:00:091 hour, 9 secondsmovie called Flight of the Intruder in 1991 maybe that's one of I don't know I last star fighter Navigator flight an
1:00:161 hour, 16 secondsintruder Inner Space well inace a pretty good little ending there
1:00:231 hour, 23 secondswith the turnaround reveal I love how he takes he takes off the wig before he shoots you got a guy with a knife very
1:00:301 hour, 30 secondsclose to you and Doug you know about proximity proximity capability and a tent right so this guy's very close to do some stabbing I would not take the time to take my hand off my weapon this
1:00:391 hour, 39 secondsis really embarrassing that I'm wearing a wig so I'm going to take this off because when I kill you I'm gonna kill you like a man they should have had a line for an insert shot of Rucker Howard
1:00:481 hour, 48 secondssaying you like he didn't recognize him until he took the wig off now clearly wolfgar was going for like a suicide by cop
1:00:571 hour, 57 secondsthing here right he didn't think that he was gonna get the jump on Dee did he no he was there to kill Irene no but what
1:01:051 hour, 1 minute, 5 secondsI'm saying is once you know's got the gun drawn on him like he's not going in alive he figures I might get something
1:01:141 hour, 1 minute, 14 secondsin I might get something in but he isn't going in alive there's no way he knows what he's done what he's quote unquote guilty of with the rules of the world
1:01:211 hour, 1 minute, 21 secondsthere's no way he's going to be I'm going to go out shooting why not you might take him with him something something like that and the The Gunshot
1:01:291 hour, 1 minute, 29 secondsviolence was brutal like the one bull what kind of caliber weapon did he have there to do that kind of sweer I vaguely remember reading that that ending there
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 secondswas a lot of editing chicanery there as well his death was supposed to be a lot more gory he was supposed to get shot
1:01:441 hour, 1 minute, 44 secondsfive times including an exploding head shot oh nice that would have been awesome well it was rated X originally
1:01:521 hour, 1 minute, 52 secondsyeah it was because of things like that his death this was was the first scene that was shot oh yeah that's amazing there was a lot of tension between him
1:02:001 hour, 2 minutesand Stallone on set this wasn't Stallone's fault but he was burnt by one of the squibs that went off oh and and then he wiped some fried chicken on his
1:02:081 hour, 2 minutes, 8 secondspants right he's talking about Lord the flat when Richard Gear my god do St
1:02:171 hour, 2 minutes, 17 secondsreally start that rumor about the dble I put that movie out of my head if you haven't already go back and
1:02:241 hour, 2 minutes, 24 secondslisten to our Lords of Flatbush review oh boy I'm sure from a an onset perspective you don't want that kind of
1:02:311 hour, 2 minutes, 31 secondsthing but when you have your hero and your villain having some real life tension I think ultimately that
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondstranslates into the film sure one part that was Stallone's fault I guess was they yanked the harness back too hard
1:02:471 hour, 2 minutes, 47 secondsthat Howard was wearing and that was supposedly at Stallone's Direction harder really we do have to
1:02:551 hour, 2 minutes, 55 secondsgive some props to slly here he did that speaking of harnesses he did that stunt on the tra oh yeah I mean it might not
1:03:041 hour, 3 minutes, 4 secondslook impressive but you're 200 plus feet in the air you're over the Hudson River East River East River Ryan's the river
1:03:131 hour, 3 minutes, 13 secondsexpert of Manhattan it was Winter from what I understand so you're dealing with really
1:03:211 hour, 3 minutes, 21 secondscold water that's an impressive stunt that he did it is he did another one that less impressive but impressive in
1:03:281 hour, 3 minutes, 28 secondsitself is jumping onto the back of the moving Subway and kicking out that window and he wanted real glass that he
1:03:371 hour, 3 minutes, 37 secondsslow just calm down it's a movie you don't have to prove your mhood on every beat to his credit he keeps saying that he's terrified of heights but he keeps
1:03:451 hour, 3 minutes, 45 secondsdoing films where he's Cliffhanger this tram so yeah he did this it was 230 ft in the air legit and that's why they made sure they got a lot of shots
1:03:521 hour, 3 minutes, 52 secondsthere's some good shots of the helicopter right next to the tra that was very very close to that tra in fact when the tram does the stop of the film
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutesit goes back and forth pretty good with people inside of it I'm afraid of heights legitimately and this was actually a well filmed very stressful
1:04:071 hour, 4 minutes, 7 secondsscene I think the tram the or the last Act of the film with the tram sequence with the bus sequence with the uh going to the Irene's apartment all that was
1:04:151 hour, 4 minutes, 15 secondsreally well done it was really well filmed and a good tension but yes Salone said that he was told to have a a Gerber
1:04:211 hour, 4 minutes, 21 secondsknife on him in case he fell in to the river he could cut the harness off off before he got dragged yeah and he said that it's ridiculous that he even thinks
1:04:301 hour, 4 minutes, 30 secondsthat he says now looking back they were taking advantage of him he says it's ridiculous that he would ever think that he would survive the fall enough that he
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondswould have the wits in the freezing water and the fall and the cable around him that he would cut the can you imagine if that did break then the last
1:04:471 hour, 4 minutes, 47 secondsfilm that we'd ever have a Sly would be an unfinished Nighthawks film that's weird not to take anything away from what he did but if you guys watched the
1:04:541 hour, 4 minutes, 54 secondsdo you guys watch the in practice Jokers mhm no yeah do you remember the the episode where they put Joe in the
1:05:011 hour, 5 minutes, 1 secondcaptain fatbelly suit oh on top of the tram it was like thew tram yeah and it
1:05:081 hour, 5 minutes, 8 secondswas high that was yeah he was tethered in I'll have to send you the clip Ryan okay yeah please yeah please do Drew has
1:05:151 hour, 5 minutes, 15 secondsa question here for us he asked us is this Stallone's best movie Set New York is it between that and Lords of Flatbush
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondsI think so so then yes what other New York films does he have Death Race 2000 starts in New
1:05:301 hour, 5 minutes, 30 secondsYork oh man I bet that gets your vote yeah we're probably missing something obvious that you know sure we are Drew
1:05:381 hour, 5 minutes, 38 secondshelp us out if there's other ones that you had in mind what about Cop Land I mean that's oh yeah New Jersey is New Jersey jiro's character works in
1:05:461 hour, 5 minutes, 46 secondsManhattan all the guys that live in New Jersey work in Manhattan they're all New York cops he did bring up Copland daylight oh daylight Copland I would
1:05:551 hour, 5 minutes, 55 secondsrank above Nighthawks just because Copland has a better script in some ways did ramble and Rocky
1:06:021 hour, 6 minutes, 2 secondswreck Stallone's career his acting range I should say yeah it changed his career you know I mean there's an alternate
1:06:091 hour, 6 minutes, 9 secondsuniverse somewhere where you know Rocky 3 didn't get made for whatever reason and that's where all those movies you want to see are Ryan yeah yeah it's hard
1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondsto say that two of the most famous franchise characters ever put to screen wrecked the guy no sorry I I meant to
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondssay pigeon hole I hate the term pigeon hole because it's it's a curse and a blessing it changed the path it changed the path he was on think about your favorite artist your favorite musical
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondsartist same idea they produce or make an album that they almost are beholden to that style like crap I have a lot more in my repertoire but people don't want
1:06:421 hour, 6 minutes, 42 secondsto see it I got famous off of this type of music or this album and here I am that's why this project is so interesting to me because I've never
1:06:511 hour, 6 minutes, 51 secondsseen these early movies before he became that Rocky 3 Sylvester Stallone that we came to be these early movies are I'm
1:06:591 hour, 6 minutes, 59 secondshaving a lot of fun I am too this is a lot of fun to watch yeah we've done a few like first time viewings have been Lords of Flatbush uh for me uh Death
1:07:071 hour, 7 minutes, 7 secondsRace 2000 and Nighthawks yeah these early ones I just just because there's no streaming service growing up I have to get up from Blockbuster I just never
1:07:151 hour, 7 minutes, 15 secondsdid you know I never caught these on cable so yeah nwks isn't the one you're grabbing for the weekend committing yourself to right and that guy never got
1:07:231 hour, 7 minutes, 23 secondsback to me that John fle but he wrote a piece on this he did how how this could have been he did get back to me it's in our Twitter he responded with the link
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondsoh I found a dead link I looked on Google and and I found it but the link was dead no he gave us a live one I I checked it but I told him I wasn't going
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsto read it till after our review because I didn't want to steal from it oh it was supposed to be published in a a magazine that recently shut down called rebeller
1:07:481 hour, 7 minutes, 48 secondsyeah month or two ago there was actually like some me to related stuff I think went on with the way they were running
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 secondstheir company or something so unfortunately his article got lost in the shuffle it's been published on his blog from what I remember seeing on
1:08:021 hour, 8 minutes, 2 secondsTwitter I haven't read it yet either because I want the stupid [ __ ] I say to be not to say that whatever he wrote is stupid I want to give a shout out to our
1:08:091 hour, 8 minutes, 9 secondsfriends of the podcast the arms race podcast they're friends of the show I listened to their breakdowns of the films that we've covered after we've
1:08:171 hour, 8 minutes, 17 secondsrecorded and we hit a lot of the same beats obviously we're talking about the same movie they've done Nighthawks as well so I'm looking forward to to watching that and I know they listen to
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 secondsthese still podcast Network episodes I want to give them a shout out and thank for their support on that um so guys that's uh Nighthawks I want to say it
1:08:331 hour, 8 minutes, 33 secondswould cost 5 million to make and made 20 million in the theater so even at this time with Stallone's career he wasn't
1:08:401 hour, 8 minutes, 40 secondsstill draw it wasn't Rocky it wasn't drawing but you know what I would take that return on my investment any day of
1:08:471 hour, 8 minutes, 47 secondsthe week 50 to 20 or 5 to 20 yeah of course yeah budget yeah wasn't a bomb I mean 20 million in 19 81 is probably I
1:08:561 hour, 8 minutes, 56 secondsdon't 100 probably so today's money cost 20 million to make made 100 million that's a good turnaround yeah yeah yeah exactly I do want to talk about the
1:09:051 hour, 9 minutes, 5 secondsother movies that we had on our slate so Nighthawks won against rhinestone and my pick which was animal
1:09:141 hour, 9 minutes, 14 secondscrackers is that the name of it yeah why why did you pick that because I always pick the movie that
1:09:211 hour, 9 minutes, 21 secondsloses so purp become your thing that's Craig's thing so my strategy moving forward is is I'm gonna offer up a movie
1:09:301 hour, 9 minutes, 30 secondsthat's got no shot of winning so you're the Ross Pro yeah yeah I don't want to get my hopes up I don't want to get excited and
1:09:381 hour, 9 minutes, 38 secondsyou know what if by some miracle animal crackers gets picked we're gonna have an a awesome episode well yeah so behind
1:09:471 hour, 9 minutes, 47 secondsthe scenes stuff for our listeners we uh we all we all do our independent pick to put for the poll on Twitter and Facebook and Nighthawks one just barely over rhan
1:09:551 hour, 9 minutes, 55 secondsStone on both Facebook and Twitter combined rhinstone was the original one that came up and that was Doug's choice and mine was Nighthawks cuz I hadn't seen it selfishly I wanted it to win
1:10:041 hour, 10 minutes, 4 secondsbecause I wanted to watch it we knew that rhinestone was a juggernaut cuz I think a lot of people want us to break down rhinestone because of the things that it is so we had to put up a film
1:10:121 hour, 10 minutes, 12 secondsthat was going to challenge rhinestone so Nighthawks was that film and I'm surprised it won actually it was tight I'm not actually because again I think
1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondsNighthawks is outside of the Rocky and Rambo movies I'd say it's probably held third or fourth in terms of how high of
1:10:291 hour, 10 minutes, 29 secondsa regard Stallone fans rank it yeah it is high ask you guys like you know we had some problems with the Dory or whatever but overall like what was your
1:10:371 hour, 10 minutes, 37 secondsfeelings of it I did watch with the idea of it was filmed in 1981 there's some filming techniques that I would have done differently doesn't mean it's better but there was some of that
1:10:461 hour, 10 minutes, 46 secondsgorilla style filming that was kind of cool to see some of the scenes of New York it looked like the bay blast had went through this I can't believe that
1:10:531 hour, 10 minutes, 53 secondscity looked the way it did it to me that was the most shocking thing was it's a time capsule of what New York used to
1:11:011 hour, 11 minutes, 1 secondlook like it was slums and dirty and gross and I I don't know if it's still like that in a lot of areas I was legitimately surprised what it looked
1:11:081 hour, 11 minutes, 8 secondslike in 1980 it looked like an atomic blast it went off and I know we didn't touch too much on that so it was kind of cool to see that history of film and to
1:11:161 hour, 11 minutes, 16 secondssee what places looked like back then it was cool to see stom being kind of cool the beer the glasses his acting was really great in it his chemistry with
1:11:241 hour, 11 minutes, 24 secondsBilly D was fun I think just with a more competent director and a more tightly edited film we could have had a real classic like
1:11:331 hour, 11 minutes, 33 secondsgritty kind of classic I felt like at times didn't know what kind of movie it was supposed to be there was like comedy buzzer hand moments and then there was people getting their throat slit I think
1:11:411 hour, 11 minutes, 41 secondsit needed to find a tone to match what what it could have been I really did enjoy it this hasn't been a funny episode so to speak cuz there wasn't a
1:11:491 hour, 11 minutes, 49 secondslot to make fun of it was actually just it was an enjoyable an enjoyable watch this movie is held in the regard that it's held because of its potential than
1:11:581 hour, 11 minutes, 58 secondsits execution I enjoy watching movies from this period of Stallone's career it's before he became that Superstar
1:12:061 hour, 12 minutes, 6 secondsAction Hero Juggernaut getting to see him work as part of an ensemble is always a treat this movie is remembered
1:12:151 hour, 12 minutes, 15 secondsmore for the potential it had than what it actually delivered I enjoyed the movie as a whole I love seeing Stallone
1:12:211 hour, 12 minutes, 21 secondsin this role I love Ryan I'm with you man I love those old gritty New York films when it shows New York as just a
1:12:291 hour, 12 minutes, 29 secondshellscape that it used to be back then the city's dark most of the stuff we see is at nighttime that really lends itself
1:12:361 hour, 12 minutes, 36 secondsto the F in New York at the time we didn't talk enough about Billy D Williams he was fantastic in this and their chemistry together like you said
1:12:441 hour, 12 minutes, 44 secondsRyan was great and I probably would agree with uh fle guy John fle that it might have been a good buddy copsy it
1:12:531 hour, 12 minutes, 53 secondscould have been Lethal Weapon before Lethal Weapon it really could have been something I don't know what beats were missed that prevented it from being the
1:13:001 hour, 13 minutesmovie that it should have been even what we got I enjoyed I like it all right well guys that is it as always it's a pleasure to to talk with you guys I know
1:13:091 hour, 13 minutes, 9 secondsum uh we got one review that came in on the feed because we share the feed now so a couple of the iTunes reviews that come in now talk about us as podcasts
1:13:181 hour, 13 minutes, 18 secondsand and guys this is a point where you guys need to start contributing to that feed tired of carrying the entire weight
1:13:271 hour, 13 minutes, 27 secondsof this your back hurts from carrying us so this is kind of a funny this is a fourstar review this guy four star four
1:13:351 hour, 13 minutes, 35 secondsstars the title is it ends with an exclamation point so it's good it says some great
1:13:431 hour, 13 minutes, 43 secondscontent oh boy he says I love the Roundtable discussion so he'll like this episode I think he likes it when we get together so he's obviously listening to
1:13:511 hour, 13 minutes, 51 secondsthe feed goes I love the round T discussions and Rocky minutes are cool oh nice however he says oh
1:13:591 hour, 13 minutes, 59 secondsno they just sort of he goes the rocky minutes are cool
1:14:061 hour, 14 minutes, 6 secondsbut they just sort of spam up the feed and and make it difficult to find
1:14:131 hour, 14 minutes, 13 secondsmore meaningful content meaningful he's having a hard time finding my show no I'm just
1:14:211 hour, 14 minutes, 21 secondsjoking anyways I thought he likes the Round Table so let let me just explain for our listeners who are on the iTunes feed cuz
1:14:291 hour, 14 minutes, 29 secondsI think it's the iTunes one maybe the most confusing because every other pod Chaser or pod collector just does sequential order of like when you
1:14:381 hour, 14 minutes, 38 secondsrelease an episode comes out when it comes out whereas iTunes if you put down a certain season number it will be that season and then you know the number but
1:14:471 hour, 14 minutes, 47 secondsother feeds don't do that okay we have again we have three podcasts on one feed so they're all labeled as such Rocky minute and they have have lots of
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondsepisodes coming out because we're trying to get like we are spamming it but what we're doing is we're trying to get them all out as quickly as we can so Doug can start rolling out Rocky minute season 3
1:15:031 hour, 15 minutes, 3 secondswhich is Rocky 3 Craig has a Sly cast and it's labeled as such and then mine is going the distance and we're covering the Creed films now so we appreciate
1:15:111 hour, 15 minutes, 11 secondsyour patience while we catch up to what will eventually be in a few months time i' say 3 to 5 months time it'll eventually be a steady easy to
1:15:201 hour, 15 minutes, 20 secondsunderstand rotational where Rocky minute will basically be Monday to Friday in that block you know Monday Wednesday Friday Friday Going the Distance will be Saturdays and Craig will have the Sunday
1:15:281 hour, 15 minutes, 28 secondsblock for his show whenever that comes out I appreciate the people's patience that's eventually how it's going to be so Monday Wednesday Friday Rocky minute
1:15:361 hour, 15 minutes, 36 secondsSaturday go in the distance Sunday Sly cast I think it's great I think it most people kind of understand that most people who listen to One listen to all of them there's very few people like
1:15:451 hour, 15 minutes, 45 secondsscrew going in the distance I'm only listening to sast which I understand that people do that and that's fine I think from most of the feedback we've been given everyone's enjoying
1:15:531 hour, 15 minutes, 53 secondseverything on one feed yeah do want to take a minute to thank this gentleman for their review because as podcasters
1:16:011 hour, 16 minutes, 1 secondreviews are so so so so hard to get so you either um need somebody to really hate your show or really love your show
1:16:101 hour, 16 minutes, 10 secondsit seems to get a a review and um the fact that this guy took him you know some time out of his day to go to whatever site he went to iTunes I think
1:16:191 hour, 16 minutes, 19 secondsand write up a review and hit submit I do a bunch of other shows that nobody listens to where you you get no response you get no reviews and you really have
1:16:281 hour, 16 minutes, 28 secondsno idea whether or not people are enjoying your show or not so uh it seems like we get a lot of traffic or at least a lot of reviews generated and I think
1:16:371 hour, 16 minutes, 37 secondsthat speaks to the content it it does help you took the time that does help we appreciate it I want to thank the guy for kind words about Rocky minute being
1:16:451 hour, 16 minutes, 45 secondspretty cool any positive feedback is good for me I understand that it does seem like you're getting a big dose of Rocky minute at once like Ryan said it's
1:16:531 hour, 16 minutes, 53 secondsnot going to be forever it's just getting some new listeners and you know the listeners might check out an episode here and there and not listen to the entire run I mean taking on an entire
1:17:021 hour, 17 minutes, 2 secondsmovie doing one episode for one minute of screen time is quite the Endeavor thank you for being patient and uh we
1:17:091 hour, 17 minutes, 9 secondsgot much better things ahead awesome all right guys thank you so much for everyone that joined us in the chat uh Drew especially thank you we're hoping
1:17:181 hour, 17 minutes, 18 secondsthe next time we do this we're going to do it again so if you're listening to this on the audio feed you're like oh crap they actually did a live episode yes we did it was short notice cuz we didn't know if it was going to work or
1:17:261 hour, 17 minutes, 26 secondsnot but it worked no hiccups amazing so join us in a month's time we're going to try to do this once a month so this audio feed will come out the beginning
1:17:341 hour, 17 minutes, 34 secondsof September and then so forth and so forth so we kind of record in the middle of the previous month to have it come out the first of the month on our feed thank you Ryan as always you did an
1:17:431 hour, 17 minutes, 43 secondsexcellent job sort of steering the ship thanks guys you guys know how how I love getting together with you guys and and chatting it up so this is just easy
1:17:511 hour, 17 minutes, 51 secondspeasy for me all right guys thanks guys thanks everyone for watching and you you two don't hang up