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Away We Go We Go follows the journey of Sophie & Jordan Epton, an American couple who moved to France with their 10-month old twins, and the crazy adventure that follows. We dive deep into what it's really like moving and living abroad as expats, interview others who have taken the road less traveled, provide travel tips, discuss how you can do hard things to change your own life, and everything in between.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of The Away We Go. We go podcast. Yeah. What can I say? What can I say? Well, like, I can say it, man. I'm really excited about our, like what we're gonna talk to you guys about today. This is life changing stuff, but.
Let me tell you, we are currently on the battlefield of a now 10 day stretch. We're on day 11 of having the kids at home because we live in France and [00:01:00] apparently kids don't really go to school here. They just don't go to school. But. We're not homeschooling. We're not homeschooling either. No, we're not.
We've talked about this before, but I think it's hitting way heavier this time around. This is now our third time doing this this year, but just in case you're new here, something to be aware of. So when your kids, if they're young enough and they're going to crash, which is like up to three years, sometimes a little bit, four.
They will be in, you know, at their crush up to five days a week from what, eight o'clock in the morning to six o'clock at night? That seems flowers. Some crushes. Some daycares are like that. Some, yeah, it varies. But yeah, essentially, but so essentially, but that all changes at three years old once they start going to school.
So I actually looked this up by the way. 'cause I was like, what in the [00:02:00] actual fuck is this about? So in France, essentially every Wednesday, your kids are not in school. Now we are lucky enough because our kids go to an international school that they're included Wednesday half day, and then we pay extra to have them Wednesdays for the whole day.
But generally, if they're going to like a French public school. No Wednesday classes? No Wednesday classes. So only Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and then only six weeks on, because then it's six weeks on and two weeks off for the entire school year. And the question that I always get is, oh, but they're going through the summer, right?
Nope, they're not. No. July and August are completely off. Some of June. They don't start until the beginning of September. What is, is it that they just don't give a fuck about school? Or have they condensed [00:03:00] curriculums into the four day work week? No, I did, I did a dig dive into this because, so I'm gonna reverse this back, or whatever you wanna say.
So when we first experienced this in October, this was the first time of the, this two week break, we actually had been gone for almost half of it. We were in California for work, so when we came back it was a little over a week, which was still intense after coming off of a work trip and Like the travel.
Yeah, and traveling and then going into that, but it was more doable. Then the next break was over Christmas, which that's pretty normal. It's the holidays, like you were off work for, everybody was off. Everybody was off. So like it was manageable. This one. Mm-hmm. Now granted, rude awakening, I say this. With so much love because our kids, honestly, they're at this age right now.
It is so delicious. Like they are so sweet, so cute with each other. We're having way less tantrums. Like I feel [00:04:00] like we're getting closer to that age four when people say things really start to shift. So that in itself, I realize that like I am so excited that I get to spend more time with my kids in that sense, and that that is really, really special.
However, when you are a working parent. And you are not in, I would say like Job where they just allow two weeks off every six weeks or whatever it is. Like this becomes a thing. And I've heard everyone from French people to immigrants complain about this all across the board because actually one article is reading said that it's not just that, can you get the time off to watch them or does it force one parent to not have to work as much or whatever it is.
But it also definitely separates people like the haves and the have nots of like, who can afford to do what during the break. And like that's kind of, you know, it's just something to think about for sure. It's just something that we're experiencing. We we're definitely giving the real on this, but, [00:05:00] but to, to go back, I deep dove into the history of this and essentially what it said is in the 1960s there was some study that showed that children do better.
When they go on a two week break from school, I don't know what this was, I mean, this was in the sixties, so they, the people who were conducting the experiment were probably on a shit ton of LSD and were like, yes, kids do much better when they're gone for two weeks. Like, no, you've been gone for two weeks.
Yeah. And, but my, but again, the 1960s also a very different time than where we're at in the present day, in the modern day of 2026. And so what I find so crazy is that like the French, they protest about everything. Everything. Why are, why are they protesting about this? Because this is just like, this is, [00:06:00] it's insane to me.
I know we're on a bit of the complaint train today, but it's more just so you understand, if you are either living in France or you are going to move with kids, this is just, it's a reality. It's a huge reality and I think if you, you know, are still a lot of people that move are still working, maybe internationally working, you know, for a job in their home country a lot of the time.
It does not line up and it definitely makes it extremely tricky. So, TBD, we are still figuring out how this is all gonna look for the future. And you know, stay tuned, stay tuned on all that. But enough about that. Other than that, like things are going well. We are doing a lot of fun stuff behind the scenes.
It is finally after like weeks of downpours of months, man, it's like a month and a half. Of like London. Yeah. Truly [00:07:00] The sun is back out. It came out this weekend. I felt like the new person I walked around the markets with like a pep in my step. It's, you know, it's feeling like spring. I'm really excited about a spring is my favorite time here.
If you've been listening, you know. It's just the best. So there's a lot to look forward to, but we just gotta get, we gotta power through these next what? Six days? Six days, and get through it. So in the meantime, I would like to switch gears and talk about our very exciting topic today at hand. This is something that.
I have discovered only within like the last year of my life and it's been life changing for me. And I thought that, and not only for me, for Jordan as well, and I thought that it would be really cool to share, [00:08:00] share what I found with you guys, and I think it might help. So, you know, when you think about, when you close your eyes and you think about all of the places that you've lived in your life.
Do you think about, you know, certain cities that maybe things didn't work out the way you wanted to, or things felt really heavy, or maybe there were cities where you felt so alive and you met the love of your life and everything seemed to just work in Quickstep and it all panned out just the way you thought.
There is actually a true. Meaning to that, that I can't wait to get into. So let's first talk about this feeling of what it's like when you are in a place that is magnetic. For me, one of the best memories I have was when I lived in Florence, and there's definitely a great episode you can go back and listen to about why Florence completely changed my life, but this city was [00:09:00] so magnetic to me because it was like every part of it made my life feel better and lighter.
I had just come from Colorado where. Things felt really heavy and I had just gotten out of a bad long-term relationship, and when I stepped into Florence, it was like I didn't have any baggage with me. Everything felt light and easy from the moment that I stepped outside my door and I walked along the Arno River and I looked at the hill surrounding Florence and the people that I immediately met who became lifelong friends.
The stories that I had, you know, going to school, traveling the world, making all of these beautiful memories. And in that process, because everything felt like it was just working in my favor, I completely turned a new leaf in the chapter of my life. [00:10:00] And. If it wouldn't have been for Florence, I would've never found myself again.
I would've never moved to Austin. I would've never met Jordan. What up? Thank you, Florence. So you know where you are, I think at different places in your life really, really matter, especially because different places create different feelings, emotions, they activate different parts of who you are. And so I think it's really important that we pay attention to that.
Right. Overall, it's, you know, you can be the same person but in a different place. You have a completely different life. So when I look at my own life, right. I've moved several times and all of these places have meant something to me. And Jordan too. Jordan's moved, you know, quite a few times. And wouldn't you say like every place has activated something different in you?
A hundred percent. Like, you know, and I mean, maybe there's a [00:11:00] different reason why you're moving to a new city, whether it's work or personal or whatever. Right. For sure. I mean, I could sit and think about a lot of things in each one that really like activated different things for me. Yeah. Let's, let's talk about it.
Let's get into it. So, so I grew up in Colorado and while, you know, I'm happy that I grew up there, I had a great childhood. I was near the mountains, like I grew up in Fort Collins, which is a small, well not that small anymore, but smaller town at the time, that was an hour north of Denver. And by the time I left Colorado, that town felt so fucking heavy for me and it was a place that I went to college.
Right. I mean, you were there for your first 22 years, aside from studying a Braun, right? Right, exactly. And but it felt, it felt so heavy and so intense and kind [00:12:00] of dark for me by the time I left. That to this day, even though I still love going and seeing my family in Denver, if I have to go back to Fort Collins, I really do.
Like, I start to feel like this, it something takes over my central nervous system and I'm like, this is bad. Like, I don't wanna be here. And you know, I think, I mean, I'm sure everyone has that place where it just, it just doesn't, it starts to feel really heavy. You feel like you need to get out. Jordan, what was, what was that place for you? Yeah, I mean, the same thing Chicago, like the burbs of Chicago where I grew up, like really happy childhood, love the fact that I grew up in Chicago, like totally. I have amazing vivid memories of things that were like insanely nostalgic and super fun.
You know, I grew up a kid playing basketball in the Michael Jordan era. Like their practice stadium was like in my hometown. I'd see players around, like, it was just the coolest [00:13:00] thing ever. But I think the same thing as I, as I got older, it just, there was just something that wasn't clicking for me. Maybe it was because I, I spent my summers going to summer camp and I was exposed to things that were very different from the area, like geographically where I grew up.
Right. And. I've moved back to Chicago area like multiple times, like I've left, come back, left, come back. Like I tried. I tried really hard as an adult to love living in Chicago. I couldn't, it just like, there was something for me that just felt misaligned. You know, a combination of like some of the stuff that you said that are, I think, similar for me, like, you know, I have.
I don't know if it's like child Jordan comes like full front when I get back there and like I just like, people remember who I was [00:14:00] when I was like an idiot teenager. So then I go back there and like that's how I feel when I go back there and it just, you know, maybe that's what it was or maybe it was some other things that I'm sure more scientific people are aware of.
But yeah, it like Chicago was that for me, it's exhausting. Love that I'm from there. Love going back and seeing friends and seeing family and like visiting things, but I cannot live there. Yeah. It just, it just doesn't, it's feel right for me. We've talked about it. It's like it's just the energy is heavier for you.
I think some of it's just probably lack of like nature such a huge, that's what I was exposed to when I went to camp and that was a big part of it. 'cause I lived in Colorado for a bit as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I obviously just talked about this, so I'm just gonna be quick about this, but a city where, you know, if you think about like where you did feel like magnetic and everything was working for you, you know, for me it was Florence.
It completely changed the trajectory of my life. Everything clicked [00:15:00] and I feel like for you it was what? Probably Buenos Aires? A hundred percent. Yeah. Just like it was the first time where I felt like I had ownership. In my life of like totally what I was doing. And that was this like magnetism. I know that was the thing for you in Florence, you've talked about that, where like you found yourself again, you became yourself.
It was like very, you being there, it was like all, all the like uncovered version of you and that's what Yeah. Windows Sitis was for me. I mean, I remember like just having these experiences of like in, in my world, like holy shit, like I'm here doing this. Experiencing this. Like I remember I was there in 2006 when I moved there, that was the first World Cup that Leo Messi was in.
Oh wow. And it was when they got all the way to the finals and they unfortunately lost against Germany and it was in Germany. But when I [00:16:00] tell you like, and I, I think I talked about this in my episode about my experience in Argentina. This 11 million person city was a fucking ghost town it was just like the craziest, it was so foreign to me for obvious, but then like non-obvious reasons.
I'm just like, where am I? And like, like walking down the street, no cabs, no buses, seeing offices, people gather around a tv. Like, just like magical. It was like, it was amazing. And then like everything else that I experienced, like making friends, the food, these things that like were so different than anything I've ever imagined or seen on TV or anything.
And it was just, I mean, you came back a different person from that. I just, I had so much love for myself and how I looked at things. Yeah. That I didn't really have an opportunity to do something like [00:17:00] that prior. And it was, it was cool, man. It was like, magnetic is like a very cool way to describe it, but truly, I mean, and you think about that, it's like if you, you know, as a listener, if you think about those places, like think about like where you were, how old you were, what that felt like.
And I know for us, that was definitely Austin for both of us, obviously. I mean, yeah. Yeah, we, we met and fell in love in Austin and what's so crazy is we have such a similar story.
We just both wanted to be in Austin. We had a feeling it was gonna work out really well. We moved like with not really a lot of a safety net within what, three months of each other? Mm-hmm. And we just went for it. And it was like when I moved to Austin, I knew. That it was going to work out. I just always said, I had a feeling everything was gonna work out.
I met you three weeks after I moved. Yeah, you did. Now granted, I made you wait a little longer [00:18:00] to date. You did. But, but it was, it was like, it was such a place that I just, you know, falling in love with you and. Meeting all of, you know, these wonderful friends and building my career and all of these things.
It just, it felt like such a place of connection and it was an incredible place to be for a long time. I mean, I know eventually, you know, we felt a little bit differently, but, but it did click for a long time. That's why we were, we were there for 15 years. Right. Yeah. I mean, when I. When I left Chicago, I mean, I, I packed up my car and like, this was like a, a coop, it's like a two-door car.
Yeah. Like I barely had any Oh, I forgot about that car. Yeah. And, and like, you know, so many things, like I, I remember just packing up the car, driving, like there were so many things that went [00:19:00] wrong when I was leaving. Like, I got my passenger window smashed in, parked on the street like days before I left.
And how to get it fixed on the road. I got a speeding ticket about an hour into my road trip, leaving Chicago, headed towards St. Louis, where I spent the night or two and then headed down to Austin and had some buddies there. But like, it was literally like, I'm gonna come and crash on a friend's couch, which ended up being a couple months, but like, it was just, you know, it was, it was a time for me when.
I just got to start completely anew, got to create from scratch and like very much was not looking for a relationship and somehow the the gods. Stars a lot. Cross paths with you, man. But, uh, was those meant It was meant to be, I think. Yeah. [00:20:00] It was, it was very cool. And it was in those early days in Austin when like, I think what was really fun was, 'cause I only been there like three months before you, I still didn't really know a lot of Austin.
I hadn't experienced a ton yet. We got to like learn Austin together. Yeah, it's such a, it's such a peak time too. 2009. Such a good time. Yeah, so, so there's those, you know, types of places. And then, and then kind of coming full circle, when you think about the places that heal you, X has really been that for us, you know?
We went through, and we've talked about this, we've touched on this some in our podcast, but if you're new here, we have a son, we have twins, and our son was diagnosed with a congenital heart defect when I was 18 weeks pregnant. And to say that it was a [00:21:00] very traumatic time in our lives would be the understatement of the century, but essentially.
When you are dealing with a medical situation like this and then your kid is going through open heart surgery at nine days old and then following that with a 41 you know, day NICU stay, you are in total like just tunnel vision mode. You're not thinking about all of the things. I wasn't even really thinking a lot about postpartum.
I just wanted to be there for my daughter. I wanted to be there for my son, and you just kind of bury everything else. And then the second he got home, we started planning for our move to France. And so when we actually got to France, it was a wild time for me because it was really the first time I. Was experiencing the postpartum because I sort of blocked it out.
Well, like it was almost like, you know, not to speak for you in your [00:22:00] postpartum experience, but just from watching it, like you didn't have a chance to like process, process anything and live in this state because yeah, like you said, he came home. It was another couple weeks, then I went back to work. Then you went back to work shortly after that rain, shortly after that.
It was, yeah, like all of the logistics of. How we had to get our lives in order to come here. And by the time we got here, we had shed so much stuff. You know, for us it was very minimalist when we got here. I mean it, not actual minimalist, but for having twin babies at the time, like we were, we had very little stuff and there was just a lot of getting settled and getting set up here.
And I think you had all of that time. That you hadn't had previously. 'cause now we're here and now it's just figuring out here stuff and, right. And so, so overall, you know, [00:23:00] X was a place where it really, in some ways brought me to my knees. I don't talk about this a lot, but it was really, really hard for me in the first year I was dealing with, you know, of course, just the normal growing pains of.
Moving to a new city. On top of that, moving to a foreign city where we knew, you know, not a lot of people, we didn't speak the language. We're navigating the bureaucracy and all of these new systems and then on top of it all, I'm actually feeling postpartum for the first time. Like the, you know, deep trenches of just, what the fuck am I ever complaining about these?
Yeah. Seriously. Seriously, but, but the beautiful thing is that being in a place where I was able to slow down these last three years and really figure out who I was, what I was about, who is the real me, what I want out of life, how strong I really am, how much I'm up for a challenge, all of those [00:24:00] things.
Have made me into a different person and healed me. I think from so many things that happened in Austin, whether it was my son's birth, whether it was, you know, just getting off of the hamster wheel and, and deciding what I really wanted in my life, and like all of those things, it just, there has been such a beauty to the breakdown and then the build back up living here and it's been, it's been amazing coming on the other side of it.
Of course. Yeah, man, that's cool. Seriously, you're, you're a fucking superhero. Like watched you go through all of this stuff and, and like, it's been hard for me being here and sorting stuff out and, and you carrying that and figuring it out is nothing short of miraculous. But I, I just, I remember like wanting to come here and chasing that feeling that I had in Argentina, that magnetism.
And [00:25:00] doing something similar-ish, you know, adjacent whatever. Moving to another country where I didn't really speak the language, but this time like with my family and very interesting, like super different, different perspective, even though I had what I thought should have been similar expectations.
Which is just my naivety. I, I just figured I could do what I did in Argentina here, and it was like slow awakening for me to realize I can't do that. But then to not just like be okay with that, but like find the new way that I kind of. Operate in that. So yeah, it's, it's been very healing, very challenging, very humbling.
Mm-hmm. Very [00:26:00] educational, self-reflective for me, so. Very cool. Yeah. So, you know, the idea that we really want you to think about is, have you ever had a city or a town or an area in the world that changed you forever? And now the reason the plot twist for why we're bringing this up is what if all of these places weren't just random experiences that you had?
What if it's kind of been aligned in a lot of ways already for you, and that is where My friends Astrocartography comes into play. This is something that has been an incredible just realization in our lives in the last year. It's explained so much. It's helped us to look. At our lives, look at our future.
Look at like everything that we want to do, because essentially what it is, [00:27:00] is it's your birth chart mapped onto a globe. And so certain lines that you know activate certain parts of you run through specific regions. And these lines amplify certain themes in your own life. And you know, at the end of the day.
You don't have to be into astrology to get into astrocartography and, and really quickly like this. This isn't like horoscope type shit. No. That like, you know, I think astrology can have a very, you know, like broad kind of perspective and stereotype on it, and just the way it's been like. Utilized by the masses for a long time.
It basically boils down like horoscope or a magic eight ball, and it feels like really hokey, really like woo woo, woo woo. Really like back corner, like crystal ball type shit. [00:28:00] But if you go, if you go back to the fundamentals, it's actually incredibly accurate, like freaky, accurate. There is a quote that says, millionaires don't use astrology.
Billionaires do. Which is true because people that know how to tap into this stuff do really change their lives on a, in a fundamental way because they start to understand how to move through life that like better advances who they are and how much happiness they want to glean out of this life on earth.
Right? So. We in turn for the first time in the last year, looked at our own charts and it was freaky. Like we couldn't believe what we were seeing. So essentially every single place that we have talked about that changed our lives, when we looked at our charts, there were [00:29:00] lines running. Either right over them or very, very near them.
And again, this was like you put in your, like I put in all my birth data, which I'll explain how to do in a bit, but like you, like this is where like I kept coming back to, I'm like, oh, what else did you put in there about your life, your experience? And it was like nothing. You literally are putting in the basic data and.
It like, yeah. Some crazy shit. Yeah. Looking at that. Yeah. So when we, when we looked at everything. So I wanna break this down for you in kind of a digestible way to introduce you to kind of what Astrocartography is. So when it comes to these special places on the globe. That really activate different parts of who you are. You might wanna take a couple notes, but we'll also include them in our show notes.
But essentially they're like [00:30:00] 10 different types of lines and they're all over the globe. And you'll see when you, if you decide to do this for yourself, but I'll just go through them really quickly just so that you understand a little bit more about this. So you have your sun lines. This is a place where you have a lot of identity visibility, vitality.
You have a lot more confidence. You're stepping into your main character energy. Then you have your moon lines. This is a place where you feel more at home. You're being nurtured. It's a safe and tender place for you, but it can also be deeply triggering if you stay too long. Then there's your mercury lines.
These are the lines of communication, learning, movement. There's a lot of social energy. It's fast, it's buzzing, it's connected. When it comes to your Venus Lines, this is a place where you would want to be. If you are experiencing, you know, romantic relationships, flourishing, friendships, a lot more social [00:31:00] ease in your life, your Mars lines, they're really great for if you're trying to push yourself a lot harder and get somewhere quickly.
So if you're, you know, wanting become an entrepreneur and you want that charge, bold, intense energy, it's not an easy line to live on, but it will bring transformative change when it comes to your Jupiter lines. These are great for if you want growth, luck, and expansion. So things like opportunity, career growth, feeling big and open and abundant.
Your Saturn lines are all about your discipline. Karma, long-term growth. Again, this is not an easy line to live on, but if you put the hard work in, it's extremely formative for your life. Then there's the Uranus lines, which is all about freedom and reinvention and disruption. A lot of times when you are on, if you're living on these lines, it's, you know, you have sudden opportunities.
It's an [00:32:00] awakening. When it comes to your Neptune lines, this is all about dreams and spirituality and illusion. So it's a great place for creativity to be artistic to kind of escape, but again, you don't wanna be there too long, or it starts to get foggy. When it comes to your Pluto lines, this is again, another really intense line, but it's all about transformation, power, and intensity.
So this is a really good place for. Life changing things to happen in your life. It's not a casual place, but it's a place of rebirth. And then lastly, your north node lines, which is all about your destiny and your future past. So this is an area on the map where. This is where you have your soul direction going.
You are growing, you're being pulled forward. There can be discomfort, like you're definitely gonna be pushed out of your comfort zone, but it's very significant and purposeful if you wanna live there and make a difference in your [00:33:00] life. So you can see there's, there's lines. On the globe that make your life easier, that make your life maybe a little bit harder, but it's for, you know, a period of growth.
So how does this. Really affect your life as our listener, right? So if you move to your Venus line, it might be a place that you fell in love.
If you move to your Saturn line, it might be a place that you build a legacy. If you move to Uranus line, you might decide to just burn your life down and start over. Which I think we've, uh, been guilty of doing that several times. Mm-hmm. But here's what's so crazy about this. Okay. So all of the places that I just listed and how they felt to both Jordan and I, when we actually discovered Astrocartography and then we looked at our lines, we were totally blown away because not only do my significant lines hit all of [00:34:00] the places I have lived, but I literally have a line that goes right through Exxon Provenance.
Jordan has a line that goes right through Buenos Aires and all the other lines like are within, you know what, a hundred miles maybe. Generally when you look at a map, it's within 300 miles. It's a very activated area for you. So like this isn't woo woo shit. This is real shit we're talking about. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean it was wild and like I know that there's a lot of generalities that you can put to like.
Again, astrology type stuff, horoscope type stuff, but there's like a lot of stuff here that just feels way too coincidental. I, I don't think that I, like look at it and maybe right now where I'm mapping my life or my direction around that, but it certainly helps [00:35:00] provide some like context for me and.
Really like helps, I don't know, like explain certain things or give permission in ways for certain things. It's, it's been really interesting to like deep dive and obviously Sophie does the deep diving and then we, we talk through it and it's, but it's like when you, when you look at this stuff and you realize how accurate it is, like you just wanna laugh because you're just like, what the fuck?
Like, this is, this is beyond, but you know, when you think about it, it's like. The one thing that we do know is we are the same material as all these planets that surround us, right? Like, we're all just sort of star us in this world. So why wouldn't it make sense that like cosmically things had to happen in order for us to exist here?
And there's, there's a connection, right? So that's, that's at least how I put it in my head. But I mean, so it's like, you know, the reason that. Maybe Colorado felt so heavy and intense for me because that's where my Mars, my Pluto, and my moon [00:36:00] descendant lines are, or now living in X I'm on the sun icy line, which is like literally it's the line where I'm meant to heal and come back from stronger and it's going right through this city.
So it is, it's, it's wild. So now I wanna really bring it back to you and the big question is. Are you in the wrong place or are you in the right place? But I have a feeling, if you're coming to us now, it's, you're curious. Right? And it's, it's really a good time to sort of think about and maybe write down and reflect like, you're not failing.
Maybe it's that your environment is not activating something, that something is feeling misaligned and you, you know, as, as a person, like, you know, you feel it in your gut. You know when something is, that feels off, feels misaligned. You're starting to feel complacent. You're just like, I don't understand why things aren't working for me here.
And it's interesting, like the reasoning that you do when you're [00:37:00] feeling like that, it feels just as fucking woo woo when you look at something like this and you're like, oh, it's not astrology like that. Legit. That's I think, where my head was at before you really started unpacking some of this stuff.
Yeah. Like, because what was my other reasoning? It was just like. My gut, the feels which like it, it's no different. Absolutely. No, I mean this is, the more you get into actual the fundamentals of this, like you realize how spot on it is and I've, you know, done these astrocartography charts for other people and have like blown their minds.
They tell me stories and it is wild to see what happens. So I really, I really encourage you. So on that note. I want you to really think about a city or place that maybe you miss, or a city or place that broke you and has felt really heavy and [00:38:00] hopefully a city or place that you fantasize about because it lit so much in you when you either lived there or visited.
And here's what I want you to do. So you need to know your birth date. Your city, obviously of birth and the exact time of birth, and a lot of people don't know this, obviously, go get your birth certificate, it'll have everything you need. And then what I like to do is write this all down somewhere special and save it so that you always have it.
You don't have to like go digging through a bunch of paper later on. And then what I want you to do is you're going to go to astro.com. Then find, there's a section called the Astro Click Travel. This is like one of the best maps that I've personally found. I will link this in the show notes, but you're gonna add yourself with all of this information and then you'll see a map.
Now this map looks cuckoo, Dole doo when you first look at it, because it's a lot of, [00:39:00] a lot of lines, a lot of information. A lot of lines, exactly. A lot of lines, a lot of information. It just looks like this wild like spaghetti highway situation over a globe. But. But when you actually zoom in and you can zoom in, you know, all over different parts of the world, you can really see where all of these major lines are activated.
And then each one is a specific, you know, line that's either, you know, Jupiter descendant or a sun I see, or whatever it may be. But you know, look up your current location, look at your birth location, look up your dream location on this map. Compare all these lines. And then what's so cool is you can also click on them to give you more information about what they represent.
And like we said before, they don't need to be running directly through a place generally, if they're within like, you know, 300 miles in the same area. Like that's what your chart is saying for [00:40:00] you. And I just cannot recommend doing this enough because I think if you do have a dream. About, you know, living somewhere or visiting somewhere more, or making a different place that you love part of your life.
Like, how cool is it to see something on your chart, on this map that literally says, yeah, this place is gonna be magical for you. You're not, I totally think you can help with decision making. I mean, again, whenever you're evaluating and maybe you have a, a city that you're like, I want to be there, or I wanna be in this country.
I know for us there were multiple places. Like we had a hit list, man. We had like a list of like 4, 5, 6 places. We're like, all right, let's look into this one. Let's look into this one. Let's look into this one. Let's consider those this one. Pros and cons of this. This one. Pros and cons to this. Like we went through that whole thing, but we did that all, by the way, without knowing this.
That's what I mean. So like you use something like this and it's like all it's gonna do. [00:41:00] Is potentially give you more data, more information for your decision making process? Yeah, truly it's because even like, you know, we, we looked at potentially moving to Valencia for a hot second and it's more than a hot second man.
We're like, you have a line that goes through Valencia that actually shows that it would've been a more intense place for us to live. Not as much of a healing place. So I'm glad that, you know, we ended up choosing X, but it would've been really interesting. I don't know. I'm, I'm just glad it all worked out.
I mean, it intense can mean so many different things, so I wonder Yeah, what that could have been. But yeah, so I mean, essentially if a place is feeling misaligned for you or you feel like you've outgrown it. You can understand what these lines mean. Or if you're craving a place that you visited and you keep returning back to like look at this more in depth and see what is activating in you.
I mean the possibilities are truly endless. Now the other thing I did wanna talk about too is I, [00:42:00] you know, when I discuss this with people, 'cause I'm so into this now, I think it's incredible, but there's always a big question of like, what if you can't actually move? Like people do have circumstances.
Where, you know, it just makes it impossible. But then what I wanna say is it's still important to look at this map to create something called a remote activation. So it's essentially like, even though you may not be able to move and uproot your life, it's a place that you can still go to visit and bring in that energy through your travel and the relationships you make.
And maybe a business partnership, like whatever it may be. It's like traveling to that line for short bursts is creating all of these micro movements within your current city. And sometimes it's not about leaving, it's about bringing that energy in to help you kind of adjust your life currently. Right, and that's, I love that [00:43:00] the whole little package that you just shared, because I feel like.
Like informal conversations that I've had with friends and people that I meet over the last, you know, few years since we've been here. It, you'll hear that like, oh, I'd love to do that, or I'd love to, you know, try to do that at some point. And it's like, there's this huge barrier that's like, I can either do it or I can never.
Right. You know? And obviously there's a lot of in between, like maybe just not now, but. I think the, the hardest thing for me to hear or to feel in that situation when I'm talking to somebody is like, it feels a little soul crushing when somebody's like, oh, I just, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do that right now.
Or I can never, like, whatever it is. And I, I feel awful because I'm like, I want you to, like, [00:44:00] who, who wouldn't wanna be in a conversation to like, want somebody to feel. Like they could touch that or reach that or have some relationship to this thing that's important to them, this place that's important to them.
And you know, they can book the travel to go and visit. But I love this idea of like, finding different things like relationships or travel or decor, just things that make you feel connected to it. Like it, it does mean something, I mean. I'll say, I grew up with a, a buddy whose mom, like, they were Italian, but his mom was obsessed with Italy.
They were traveling to Italy. But man, let me tell you, when you walk into a house folded with like wallpaper that had lemons all over it and like chow, like, you know, you know, it was, it was funny, but like, that's, that's also they were channeling, you know, their connection to it and, and like it meant something.
Yeah. You know, they felt like that there. Yeah. So I think again, no matter what, it's really. [00:45:00] Interesting and can be life altering in a way to look at what your specific, you know, astrocartography map looks like. And really, even if it's down the line, like planning something out, knowing that certain lines will be so good for you to retire in.
Or when you start a family, maybe you move somewhere. Or if you are starting a business, you wanna be in certain lines. I mean, it's just, it's so fascinating. So what I would love to do is have our listeners send me dms once you have done your own astrocartography maps.
Super interested in that. Yes. Yeah. And if you're seeing something really cool in your own astrocartography, like if you have a revelation. If you're just seeing something that's really resonating, whatever it is, like would love to hear stories, please, please DM us. And also because I have gotten so into this in over the last year, I'm starting to do some more deep dives for people.
So if you do, you know, want to learn [00:46:00] more and want to do more of a deep dive into your own chart, like DM me for sure. We can get a little bit more insight too, onto what all of these lines mean for you and, and your life. I, this is a really cool one, bub. You were like putting this together, you know, earlier when we were talking about it and I was excited about doing it, but this like, this is cool, this is super fun stuff to think about.
And, thinking about my own path and, and where that was and, and I think that if you as a listener are thinking about traveling or. Thinking about where you're at or you're reflecting or thinking about how your experience has been like, I don't know. This is just a really cool element to add to that.
And I think, you know, Sophie and I have been talking about this stuff for a while now that we've been, you know, looking into it and researching and seeing where our, our past paths had brought us. So very interested to [00:47:00] hear from you and Annie. Stories or feedback that you, you have about it, but you know, if you made it this far, thanks for hanging out this session.
This was super fun to, to talk through and we appreciate you. And on that note, I will leave you with this amazing quote. Maybe we travel, not just to see the world, but to meet the versions of ourselves waiting in different places. I love it. Love it. Okay guys. Love it. We will see you next week. Talk to you soon.
Aios.