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A few anime heads from the Datfeelin Podcast Network and the Saturday Night Nerds figured it was time to get together and put out a show for not only the hardcore anime watchers, but also the casual ones as well. Join Mac aka YaBoy, Deante the Giant, and Kenpachi Zaraki as they dedicate each episode to breaking down some of the most beloved anime. From discussing the creator of the story/manga, to exploring the animation studios behind their anime adaptations, we do what we can to grow a community of anime fans! Whether you're a sucker for the classics, or new to the game, this is a spot for everyone!
What up, anime heads? It is the eat the cake crew. We're back joined by my man, Eric, and then, Jackie. I, of course, Mac aka your boy. Continuing the spooky season, we coulda went a little bit more in the horror thing, but, apparently, the one anime that we were hoping would be great to talk about around this time, ended up being complete dog shit.
Mac:We'll let you figure out what anime that is. It comes on a dog's web. And I think it's, like, on HBO Max now. Yes. The first episode, like Jackie said, amazingly done, and it gets you hyped for the other ones.
Mac:But the next 3, you're just like, and I'm done. So, we looked into something kind of more darker. We came across chainsaw man, which was really critically well, accepted across both mediums, the manga and the anime. So we figured, hey. Let's talk about a banger instead of talking about something that we were just gonna bash the whole time.
Mac:So, without further ado, let us start the show and start us talking about chainsaw man. The following is a presentation of the Dead Film Podcast Network, reminding you to always question the answers. And we're back. Just had to make sure we sent these links out. So, I know, Eric, we were kinda talking, behind the scenes, before we went live.
Mac:You just finished well, first of all, let me just say I appreciate you doing the homework watching the the Yes, sir. 1st season. So so we could talk about it tonight. What was your general impression of it overall?
EJ:I thought it was great. I know it's been received you know, it receives high marks across the board as far as a lot of the reviews from the the major, you know, places everyone checks IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, My Anime List. They all kinda gave it at least 8 8 plus, you know, for its score. I agree. I think that, for a 1st season, it really, pulls you in right away.
EJ:I enjoy it from the start to the finish of the 1st season. So I agree it's, you know, it's an 8 for me as well. So 8, 8.5, something like that.
Mac:What about you, Jackie?
Jacci:I loved it. But I also watched it how long ago whenever it came out Yeah. 2020, I think. Mhmm. It was, again, this is when I started getting into, like, the gory more gory, more action anime these past few years.
Jacci:And and Chainsaw Man was, like the animation was a little bit different. It was, really exciting to see that and then all the gore that was gonna come with it. Mhmm.
Jacci:was interested about, like, what it was gonna be like. I didn't realize it was gonna be like a dark comedy as well, which is which is nice. It puts that, little bit of humor with the the death and the sadness too in the action. So I think it's fantastic.
Mac:Yeah. I was the same way. I with a lot of these things, like, it's so hard for me to I think I'm more in tune with upcoming anime, like, that are coming out the pipe than I am with, like, upcoming manga. So, like, the new anime that'll come out, people are just like, have you read the manga? I'm just like, no.
Mac:Not yet. So, like, the anime, I think, part 1 or I think if you wanna call this season 1, it's 12 episodes long. So after that, you're just like, well, I need to know what the fuck happens next. So that's when I go to the manga after that. Right?
Mac:So, but I I'm the same. I I feel the Eric, you were talking about it. Some of the fans of the, of the story before it went to the anime adaptation were just like, there's no way they're gonna capture all the gore and the there's no way they'll display that on its screen. From what I saw, I'm like, bro, it gets pretty it gets pretty gruesome. You know?
Mac:But, you know, just just the the character's transformation as a whole, I'm just like, bro, that that looks like it hurts. You know? So, a 100%, high marks from us over here at Eat the Cake. So without further ado, I think it's time for us to talk a little bit about the creator, Tatsuki Fujimoto, and, how he came about with this whole story. So let's get into our creating the manga.
Mac:So, Fujimoto was born October 10th, and the funny thing is, like, everywhere I've looked, they're like, he's either born in 1992 or 93. So I'm just like,
Jacci:to music.
Mac:Is there no records being kept there, or is he, like, super just, you know, secret agent just keeping you on your toes?
Jacci:He's my age.
Mac:Where's your
Mac:I need you to step it up, Jackie. Come on, Jackie. We're we're
EJ:waiting here. We're waiting here.
Mac:The world's waiting for you. But no. Fujimoto, born October 10, 92 or 3. Again, a lot of these, creators that that come up with these stories start drawing at a early age, didn't go to any kind of preparatory school, any kind of, and the crazy part is, like, in Japan, they do have the schools where you go learn how to draw manga and the panels and storyboards and stuff. He'd had none of that, so he just, you know, went to painting classes, which his grandparents intended, and he practiced oil painting, graduated in western painting from a university of art design in Yamagata.
Mac:But after that, he, in 2011, which would make him, what, 19 or 18 at that point?
Jacci:Yeah. I was 18 or 17 in that year.
Mac:Thanks for making me feel it all, Jackie, but, I digress. He drew his
Jacci:493. I can help you with that part.
Mac:The, so at that age, 18 or 19, he drew and submitted his first one shot work. A couple clucking chickens were still kicking in the schoolyard, which I thought was hilarious, which was nominated for the December jump, monthly aboard. Right? So, at that age, just creating something that gets the eye of, you know, shown in jump. You know?
Mac:It's it's it's pretty impressive without having, I guess, you would call it formal training. Yeah. Exactly. I mean Go ahead.
EJ:No. I mean, it it's kinda like, you know, in the states, you hear all the of course, there's all these different, you know, art schools for people who wanna design games or design any kind of media. But then you always have that one, you know, prodigy who comes out of nowhere. It's like, I have no formal training, but I turned out this. And it's like, it blows everybody out of the water.
EJ:That's what I thought of when I was reading. I was like, he's he he probably caught everybody off guard being 18, not going to any of these schools. So it wasn't like he was getting name dropped by anybody from a school. You know what I mean?
Mac:He
EJ:submitted his stuff. It's not like he was on their radar, and they were like, oh, he was a great student. So, I mean, to get that kind of a you gotta think how probably proliferated that field is with artists and, you know, creators. And for him to come out like, this guy just came and, you know, dropped us some some magic here. Yeah.
Mac:And I think with the one
Jacci:shot Oh, yeah.
Mac:Unless he unless it's stated somewhere else, like, I think the one shots, the person is on the hook with creating the story, the writing, and the animation itself.
EJ:I'm not He's gotta do it all. Right?
Mac:Oh, look. Jackie just went ahead and reminded us. She already took hers. But, if you got your shots
Jacci:another one.
EJ:Cheers. Cheers.
EJ:I'll take another one. It's fine.
Jacci:I don't know where to go.
Mac:She's just she's just living her best life over there, ladies and gentlemen. Must be nice. Here's to, Nevada days.
EJ:Nevada days.
Jacci:Thank you, the state of Nevada, for having a holiday.
Mac:There you go. Cheers. Bonsai. All that good stuff. There.
Mac:I just I just do the bottle cover.
Jacci:Oh my god.
Mac:There we go.
EJ:I'm not a pat fast pourer, so I'll just straight bottle. That's fine.
Mac:Uh-huh. But, yeah. Like I was saying, it's it's unless I it's it's explained somewhere else, I just assume that one shot, it's the the writer or the creator just doing it his whole self, just a a a one man show, one person show at that point. So Well,
Jacci:it it's also just like that volume or it's just a chapter. So Mhmm. Or however long that chapter is. So maybe the volume is 5 chapters long
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And that's the one shot. Like, it's kinda like, with Death Note was originally supposed to be a one shot, and then he kept the story going.
EJ:Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I remember that from the last the last episode. Yeah.
EJ:The I was kinda wondering when they do these one shots, so they're responsible, like, well, like Willie's saying, for the whole setup. I mean, do they go they have to outsource for music and stuff. Right? Or do they not even worry about that?
Mac:Well, the one shot's more more like, just a a a short story. Yeah. Just a yeah.
EJ:I mean, does do they get picked up afterwards, and then someone sets them up with music and everything for the shows or for the series?
Mac:Well, I think I don't think there's been actual one shots that have gotten animated adaptations. The only one I can think of, I think, is, Burn the Witch, that type Kubo did, the creator of Bleach. So Burn
Jacci:the Witch. Yeah.
Mac:That was a one shot, and they took it and made it a 4 part kinda series. Because, like, that's all a one shot would be. It's probably, like, 4, maybe 5 shows or something like that. You know? But the thing is if the one shot, like, Death Note was supposed to be the one shot, and somebody's like, yo.
Mac:This can this can be
EJ:something carry. Yeah.
Mac:You know? And then you carry it out into a a serialized, manga series, which then, if the manga gets picked up, if you have enough chapters, that's when they start looking at Yeah.
EJ:So they're really just looking to get printed first. They're not so concerned. Yeah. Series. A
Jacci:lot of famous animes actually started off as one shot. So I know this has nothing to do with
Mac:Go ahead.
Jacci:Chainsaw man, but Dragon Ball apparently started off as a one shot. Wow. So did 1 piece. So did Naruto. So did Bleach.
Jacci:Wow. Gintama, Fist of the North Star, Yurisei Atsura, which is all, like, nineties
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Animes. Like, big, big animes that have literally paved the way or mangas that have paved the way for other mangas and anime. They started off as just a one shot. So I I wonder if that's normal. It's just a
Mac:Yeah. I guess you could call it
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:Like a pilot would be, like, the the layman's term for it, I guess. You you just create a a a story, a scenario, build a world a little bit, and throw it out there. And if people are just like, yo. This is pretty good, then you can kinda expand on it. I would think when you're doing the one shot, you kinda have a bigger story in mind because once they pick it up, they're just like
EJ:Yeah. If you
Mac:run with it. You're like, well, I didn't think I'd get this far. Yeah. You know?
EJ:It'd be great to
Mac:see I feel
Jacci:like that's what they did with Thomas Zimmerman.
Mac:Oh, stop. We promised
EJ:Like, if you could get a behind the scenes, get to see all that from the way you know, from the start up to, you know, hey. I submitted this and blah. That'd be great. That'd be cool to see, like, a documentary or something.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:Just to you know?
Mac:100%. Shout out to Jen and, Kaylee who are here watching. Jen also says she feels old, from Jackie's bragging about being young.
Jacci:Sorry.
Mac:No. It's fine. We used to be that age and did the same thing to to our elders.
Jacci:You know, it's crazy because now that I'm, like, in my thirties and and now that, like, I'm I'm dealing with
Mac:The younger folks.
Jacci:People, like
Mac:younger folks.
Jacci:That are younger, 18, 19, 20, even, like, 22 year olds. I I just met this girl who was 20 years old, last weekend, And I asked her how old she was. She's like, oh, I'm 20. And I was like,
Mac:oh my god.
Jacci:And It only gets better. And I made a joke that I was, like, getting too old for drinking. And she's like, well, how old are you? I was like, I'm 31. She goes, what?
Jacci:I was like, yeah. How old are you? She's like, I'm 20. I'm like, oh my god. Okay.
Jacci:Never mind.
Mac:Jackie, when when it hits you, like, you get your first student or your your troop, and they were born after you enlist. I don't know how long you plan on staying in, but, like, when you're if you were going for 20 and you get that one cat that's, like, 19 joining, and you're just like, oh my gosh. Like,
Deante:you were
Jacci:It's already happened. It was happening, and I was in Italy. Like, you And I'm like
Mac:you were cultivating my whole air force career to get to this point.
Jacci:These people didn't know who Cassie was as an artist, and I wanted to cry.
Mac:Let's not go down that road.
Jacci:That's that's me all day.
Mac:But, Alright.
Jacci:Back to the show. Yeah.
EJ:Let's let's leave the tears behind it.
Mac:Fujimoto, apparently was kinda like the one shot king, though, because he had the, the couple clucking chickens. We're still kicking in the schoolyard. He had a lot of 1 shots. Yep. Seige no maga or sense of justice, that he entered into the 10th supreme comic grand prize season.
Mac:His next one shot was, kami hyoki or paper planes, which won a award at the 3rd. Like, he was just cranking out one shots. Like, it looks like 4 and then 51 like, at least 5 they're talking about. Now what is it? More of them.
Mac:Man, he is out here cranking them out. So his first major serialized work so the first one where they're just like, hey, man. Take this. Expand it out. Make it a serialized thing.
Mac:We're gonna post it at Weekly Shonen Jump, which, again, if you are new to this, that is, like, the magazine you want your stories being pushed in. It's like the the number one, I guess. When magazines were popular here in the States, Sports Illustrated is what you would wanna be in if you were a sports writer. You know, The Source or anything like that would be what you wanna be a part of if you are, like, reviewing hip hop, things like that. So weekly shounen jump, that's when you make it.
Mac:So his first one was Fire Punch, and that one did not get picked up as a anime, but I went and looked kinda, like, at the premise of it. And it sounds interesting to me. Like, I wish it kinda would have been picked up as a anime, but, so Fire Punch, real quick, just takes place in the future of frozen earth, barren, purportedly by the ice witch who is among a few that possess special abilities known as blessings. A teenage boy named Angi, has the blessing of regeneration along with his sister. The siblings help a few elders in their village, you know, subsist on the meat of his severed arm.
Mac:So I'm sitting here reading this thing, and I'm just like, bro, this I need to see this. So, I'll try to see if it's on Shonen Jump, the app, but, it seems like it's a pretty good story. It's a dark fantasy set in a dystopian, future, and a supernatural thriller is also the 3rd kinda category it fits under. So, I'm all about that stuff.
EJ:Sounds interesting already. Yeah.
Mac:Yep. But, that was picked up, and it ran for a, for a bit, but we are here to talk about his, first major or, I guess, critically acclaimed major work, which is chainsaw man, which was also published in weekly shown and jumped from December 3, 2018 to December 14th 2020, and then a second part was started up July 13, 2022. Apparently, he put that out. It started topping all kinds of manga list over there, in 2021 for male readers. And owned the best manga best award for best shounen manga in 2021, the best overall manga in 2021, and then it won it again in 2022 and again for the 3rd time in 2023.
Mac:So, like, this dude is just just hitting it. He just yeah. Just crushing it when it comes to coming to, creating this.
EJ:Huge field of being and try to I mean, for him to capitalize like that, it's like, damn, dude. Yeah. That's
Mac:awesome. He
Jacci:had a he also had a lot of inspiration. Like, he confirmed in an interview that it is called Chainsaw Man, but it it's it there wasn't any, like, you didn't have to critically think of, did he is he a fan of, Texas Chainsaw Massacre? Because he straight up said he was inspired by that, movie, and that's what led him to create, this character. And, actually, he was inspired by a lot of western films.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah.
Jacci:On top of, like, a lot of different horror and supernatural ones and even some animes that he applied, like, a lot of that art and scenes and different things, like, throughout the entire series, which I think is absolutely genius.
Mac:Mhmm.
Jacci:I've I don't think I've ever seen an anime or even a manga take from, like, western culture movies and shows and actually apply them.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And if anyone's out there that knows differently, let us know. But, like, I don't think I've ever seen it applied like this where it's into the story, and, it's and it's pretty legit.
Mac:Yeah. But yeah. So real quick, just to to bring people in on, if you haven't seen it or anything like that. So, the setting for Chainsaw Man is 1997. It happens in a alternate timeline where the, I think the Soviet Union is still around.
Mac:And in this world, devils are a thing that that that exist, and they're born from, like, legit human fears to the point where, professional devil killers or devil hunters exist and are paid to go out there and take care of these devils. So they do that by making contracts with them in exchange for power. So the way that works is, I think when you kill a devil, you inherit its power to an extent. However, when a devil is eaten by the chainsaw devil, which in in this story, you may think chainsaw man is the chainsaw devil. He is.
Mac:But initially, it's his, it's his little cute little, his cute little little pooch. Oh, is it? Pochita. Pochita. Pochita.
Mac:Yeah. The little it it if
Deante:you go
Jacci:Pochi means dog in Japanese or is a common word for dog. And then the ta fun fact is pochita actually resembles an actual chainsaw brand called Makita in Japan.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:So the creator just took pochi for dog, and then he just took the suffix of ta from Makita and then just added on there.
Mac:Yeah. Oh, actually, is over here in the state. I didn't know that they they, use that brand to kinda help come up with the name. But, so, the main character, Denji, he's actually an impoverished, teenager. Right?
Mac:So he's just starving. Like, I mean, when you talk rock bottom, that's this kid. Yeah. So he's working for the Yakuza because his dad, when his dad was alive, had a debt to the Yakuza. Yeah.
Mac:And the Yakuza's like, hey, man.
Jacci:He owes the shit ton of money.
Mac:Use your, chainsaw, devil dog, and go kill us some devils. Right? So that's what he was doing. And this man, like, when when when I was watching the anime, then you go back and read them all. Like, the first impression obviously is the anime, but you just this man is just like, man, I wish the good life.
Mac:Like, he's dreaming like, man, you know what would be the good life? Bread with jam.
EJ:Yeah. A bath. He thinks a bath is a good life. He's like And
Jacci:then he wants a girlfriend that he can just hug. Yeah. Like, he's just like,
Mac:I just wanna cuddle with with the world. Like, that's that's the life. You know? And, you know, it's it's cool he gets this bond with a a po po Poquita? Poquita?
Jacci:Poquita.
Mac:Poquita. And, you know, he goes out on a what he assumes to be a a routine job to go take out, the zombie devil, and the Yakuza kinda betray him because they make a deal with the zombie devil. And, you know, it it goes bad for Denji, and Pochita ends up making a deal with him. Like, you know, I'll give you my power if you promise to go out and live your good life. You know?
Mac:Go get the bread with the jam and all that other stuff. So it was cool to see Pochita just, hey. Here's your power. But the thing is the chainsaw devil, once he destroys a devil, that that fear is eliminated from the war.
Jacci:Erased. Yeah. Which is why, like, the holocaust, AIDS and I think, like, there's no war that takes place after World War I because
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:The devils or the fears that are created are getting destroyed. So, like, all these things that happen in your normal timeline aren't happening because all those things are created into devil form. Mhmm. And so since they're being destroyed, this new thing is being k. It's being created.
Mac:Yeah. So I thought that was a a nice aspect of it. Like, to to Yeah. To eliminate those fears from the world. Like, I could only imagine how that would actually shape.
Mac:Like, if we had the ability to erase some of the the horrible things that have happened in the history of humanity, how that would kinda shape the world, like, you know, eliminate slavery, eliminate, like you said, AIDS, nuclear weapons, like, things of a genocide, things along those lines where, like, then people I guess you wouldn't know the evil in people because the evil in people would just not exist.
Jacci:It's manifested into something else. So it's not on the person. It's this creature.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And, like, as you read the story as well or you know the story, like, in in most shows that's like this where you have, like, demons or whatever, there's also like a well, some devils are not all bad, and they have some compassion.
Mac:Mhmm. Well,
Jacci:I'm confused. I don't know if they explain it more in the story, because I haven't read the manga, but I don't know if it's explained more or if it will be. But an interesting thing that I thought of is, like, you know, you have these fears that are created based off of other people's fears. So I wonder if, like, you're created based off of a fear, but inherently, like, you're not bad. You have that compassion.
Jacci:You are just you were just created.
Mac:From somebody's
Jacci:spirit. And so now you're bay you're going off of instinct. Like, one of the characters that I know we'll talk about power. I just rewatched the show, so I was thinking about this as I was watching it. She is considered a blood fiend, but she never feasts off of humans.
Jacci:And all of the things that you see, it's always animals. Yeah. And then she ends up finding compassion for an animal. And so I I always wonder, like, if there's any, like, underlying tones or symbolism with that of, like, yeah, these things are being created based off of people's fears, but now they're created. Like, are they inherently evil, or are they just now creating and they don't know how to, like what their instinct or life is supposed to be like?
EJ:I thought, yeah, I thought that, like, there's so much there's so much that you could go into with that with the whole the plot and the setting as far as the development of these devils because it kinda, when Denji's talking to Makima and she's explaining, like, the fears, like, she's also talking about how strong a devil can be, but there's fears of even, like, a you know, you think about it, how there's irrational fears like phobias, like someone who's I can't remember the name of it. It's a it's a phobia for peanut butter being stuck on the roof of your mouth. It's not a phobia. It's in it's in psychology books when you you know,
Mac:yeah,
EJ:there's people who are deathly feared to the number 13. So you gotta think in this world that they created the idea you know, of course, the more powerful demons are like you know these fears that everyone has.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. Fear of war, nuclear bombs, or, like, all this stuff. And so I wonder if, she was created based off the fear of blood, and blood's not actually bad. You know?
EJ:Yeah. It I mean, she's actually my favorite character now that we bring her up, but Power's Power to me is, interesting because of the fact that her yeah. There there you go. Jen Jen named the, the phobia, but, sphyticaphobia? Yeah.
EJ:That's the one where you're feared at number 13. There's actually people that, you know, they can't even go outside on that day. They don't wanna see the calendar. They don't wanna see the number on their watch, you know. So but, I mean, I'm getting off track there.
EJ:The the point being, you know, as you're watching this, you see the severity of fear with the different demons and how their power or the devils and how their power correlates to that fear.
Mac:Mhmm.
EJ:You know, especially when you when they start, they go further in the story and you get introduced to more different types of devils. Because in the very beginning, it's very generalized. Of course, zombies. You know, you're like, of course, zombies. There's fear
Mac:of zombies.
EJ:Of course, there's, you know, fear of, like, a giant bat. You know, stuff like that.
Jacci:But
EJ:as it goes on, it becomes less of a tangible fear, but in a way, those less tangible fears are more powerful because they're so you know, they're shared by everyone, like, war and death and gun violence and, you know, all that stuff is so much bigger than zombies. You know what I mean? So you get to see how basic fear gives way to, you know, this intangible fear. And and when Willie brought up, you know, imagine a world where you could affect those things, Think about a world where, you know, the fear of xenophobia, which drives so much like racism and, you know, hate could could actually be a a a entity, how powerful that would be.
Mac:Yeah. You
EJ:know? So it those were the things that were reflecting in my mind when I'm watching, and she's explaining how each of these devils' powers are relative. Like, a car devil would be of course, people fear car accidents. People die in that. You know, that could be that would be more powerful than, like, a toaster devil.
EJ:But, you know, you as she's trying to explain, I think she's trying to hint towards the fact that a lot of people's fears that are of the unknown or the the things you can't grasp are so much more powerful. You know? I I just thought that was very interesting approach to the story in general.
Mac:Yeah. A 100%. But, you know, when you have fear that is manifesting in things like that, like the gun devil, people that you know, the fear of guns, especially, like, you think about nowadays, the the back and forth school shootings and things like that, you know, things that are just tragic. It's actually one of the devils that that he's hired or, that his his mission, once he joins these devil hunters, is is to go out and take care of, you know, the gun devil. But the devil hunters, you mentioned, Makima, being, I guess, the leader.
Mac:The public safety division, it's led by, Makima. Then you have a more experienced devil hunter, Hayakawa, and, begins training with power, like you guys mentioned, the blood fiend, which is probably in the 12 episodes, probably the more complex character, because when you first meet her, you're you probably think one thing, because she has the devil horns. She's drinking blood from animals. You're just like, oh, she's gotta be, like, evil, evil. But like you mentioned, Jackie, there's another side of her where she's taking care of an actual animal.
Mac:Yeah. And and, she does some things throughout the the 12 episodes. You're like, are you cool or are you not? Because I feel like you're trying to fuck over somebody, but then, so it's it's one of the more complex, characters in the anime and in the story. And then, you have a veteran, devil hunter, Kashibi.
Mac:All of them fight several enemies, and the enemies are starting to turn up because they want the power. If they defeat Denji, who has the chainsaw devil in him, then they would get the ability to then be able to, I guess, decide what fears stay and go, from humanity. So he's kinda like the MacGuffin, if you will. Everybody wants the power he has.
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:So, there's that. But the the characters are are are amazing across the board. Yeah. There was actual, like, a
Jacci:character design.
Mac:Not to ruin anything, but there there's a death of a character in the in the first 12 episodes. You're just like, well, damn. You know? Well,
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:I thought y'all was gonna be crew for life. You know? But, you know, she gone. But, overall, looking at it, I don't I forgot to look up. Jackie, do you have, any information on how many volumes this, manga has sold?
Jacci:So 17 volumes in Japanese, 15 in English. Part 1 does have 97 chapters, I saw. And there's 13 story arcs. It's still ongoing. So it started, like you said, in December 2018.
Jacci:Mhmm. So the first part right now is the public safety saga as you mentioned, and now the second part is the academy saga, which follows Denji going to school.
Mac:Yeah. The school arc.
Jacci:Yeah. So I'm not I don't know much about that one, but, they sold more than 28,000,000 copies. And then as you talked about previously, all of the the awards, like, it's just a really great story. The art is awesome. Mhmm.
Jacci:The designs for even all the devils. It's just in it's an interesting take. Does it have similar like, when I first watched chainsaw man, it definitely gave me a little bit of, One Punch Man vibes because in One Punch Man, you know how you have, like, the ranked or the different, like demons or whatever that show up. I can't remember what they're called right now. It it's kinda similar to where you have these things just pop up randomly and that you have to get rid of.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And then it also remind me it had a little bit jujutsu kaizen vibes as well with, like, the task force, you know, that task stuff.
EJ:Down. Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. Is it the exact same? No. But if people are interested in animes like that, I think that they would, or mangas or stories like that, I think that they would be very much interested in this one. This one I think is more, less character development and more, mystery and just like, action dark humor and just figuring out, like, at least this is my opinion from what I saw in the first one because then she's just like, he he's gonna be the way he is.
Jacci:He has one goal. He wants to touch some tits, and live a good life. Like, that's all I want.
EJ:Yeah. I I thought that was really cool, though. I mean, the like, you brought up I mean and I just wanna double check because you were going over the volumes and the chapters. From what I understand from our our homework, 1st 1st season or 1st part is just chapters 1 through 38. So if there's 97 chapters to the first part, we still haven't even gotten Right.
EJ:You know? We're not even halfway through, but I just thought it was very interesting because I wanted to ask you both I mean, spoiler alert moment here. Can we talk about Denji's Denji's transformation in becoming what he becoming chainsaw man?
Mac:Yeah. We could talk about that. Oh,
Jacci:yeah. That's in the first yeah. I think you can because that's in the trailer and that's in the first I
EJ:just you know, it becomes a question later too. Like, does Denji's compassion and heart the the stuff you see is him as a child growing you know, facing the stuff he had to face and the hardship he had to face and the kind of gentle innocence he had with just Pochita
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:Kinda that's gone after his instance where he becomes chainsaw man, where the 2 merge. Right. And it's mentioned, is it when his heart was when he died, was his heart destroyed and he's lost all feeling and he even questions himself later. He's like, I didn't even cry. I wasn't even upset.
EJ:You know, so is that a development as it goes? Because it seems like, you know,
Mac:he's
EJ:very basic and visceral in all his wants and needs. Food, and of course, you know, physical contact and sexuality. Right. It's very basic. It's does it he lacks the emotional
Jacci:climate change. Boy, but he if you think about it, it makes sense because how he grew up
Mac:Alone.
Jacci:He lost his yeah. He was completely alone. So all he learned about in the world is just I have to survive, but also it'd be nice if I could just, you know
EJ:Have someone. Yeah.
Jacci:Be a basic dude and get basic dude things like food and boobs.
Mac:I mean,
EJ:it's not it's not a bad goal. Yep. It's not a bad goal.
Jacci:I think I I think because I think though because of his innocence and heart and the fact that he was willing to save, you know, like, a devil, that even though and, like, if you also in the first episode, like, Pochta also isn't, like, trying to, like, kill a bunch of people. It looks like it's he's also just trying to survive
Deante:Mhmm.
Jacci:And not really intent on just killing. And so they're kinda like minded in that. I think that's what allows for them when they merge to be, like, still that that innocence is still there, but the protecting people and what you you love and what you need to survive is also still there because it was the same for them. And, like, they their whole entire existence together was built off of just them to only Survive. The friendship that they have survive and, like
EJ:I just I
Jacci:I don't know if anything else to talk about later, and I don't wanna spoil it because I also don't wanna be spoiled.
EJ:Yeah. I just know, like, he he expresses that more of a deeper emotion when he refers to Brigitte. Mhmm. Even after he becomes chainsaw man. When he thinks of him or refers back, he still has that bond.
EJ:But throughout the whole thing with with the exception of physical wants like boobies, he doesn't express a whole lot of emotional attachment to anything. Pechita is pretty much the only thing from the very beginning, which is why Pechita is like my second favorite character. But
Mac:I
EJ:mean, it's his impact or their the impact of their relationship is I feel is what keeps him grounded in a way that he's not just like the other devils or the other devils given to their their want of, you know, destruction and and, consumption where he doesn't. He has very basic wants. But I think that that part of him, that that relationship he shared with Pochita is what keeps part of him grounded. The fact that he's not, like, you know, later on, if you if you call him samurai sword man or katana man, you know, or whatever. The other individuals are driven more by their own bigger goals, which he Denji himself refers to later.
EJ:He says, you know, yeah, my goals aren't all huge like the rest of you guys. You know, I don't wanna save everyone or protect everyone or get revenge. He's like, I want boobies and I want the good life. You know, it's like Yeah. He's very basic.
EJ:But in all actuality, he does show those other things. It's just very underlying. It's very hidden. It's very, you know, withdrawn. And it could be like Jackie said, because he grew up the only only other thing that was in his life was Pochita at the time.
Mac:So to
EJ:have that bond with anything else is kind of distant. But I I just thought it was interesting. I wanna see what you guys thought as his, you know I don't know what you call it. Motivation, his drive, and whether or not he actually cares enough to make these things, or is it all just for the basic survival things that he wants?
Mac:I wouldn't know what his
Jacci:I like
Mac:what his real motive would be. You know? I I I mean, first, you know, you don't wanna die. Right? So the zombie guys are after him and, like, the the crazy thing is that, if, oh, shit.
Mac:Look who look who jumped in here. Hold on. Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Deontay, the motherfucking giant.
Jacci:Oh, hey.
EJ:Good to see you, man.
Deante:Long time no see.
EJ:That's my brother right now.
Mac:But, Man,
Deante:it's been a hot minute. It has, bro. It has, man. Welcome back. Good to
Mac:see you. Good to see you. Almost needs no introduction. To. Oh, yeah.
Mac:Appreciate you jumping on, man. But now that you're here, I don't know how how much you've seen or or if you wanna catch up. One, I guess, real quick general, overall take on the chainsaw man, manga story the the story, anime, however you wanna look at it. Everybody here, you know, we're saying on a scale to 10, at least an 8 or higher if you want it to be that way. But, what are your thoughts on it, bro?
Deante:Oh, I'm pretty much gonna give it a 9, a solid 9, maybe a 9.5 depending on how good how good of moving I'm in. But, Chainsaw Man is definitely up there, both manga and anime.
Mac:Cool. But the point you made, Eric, like, a part of me wants to feel like his his motivation is to to rid the world of all these devils, right, to to erase fear from people. Being in the situation he was in, fearing, you know, dying from hunger, you know, just just where he's from, probably not wanting anybody else to go through something like that. But you see, once he joins the devil hunters and he sees, Makima, like, he's just like, I gotta be with her. You know what I'm saying?
Mac:And without giving too much away, with I think, the first 12 episodes is only, like, one part of the, the first arc. Right? Because
Jacci:38 chapters.
Mac:Yeah. The second part, the I guess you wanna call it season 2 or however they wanna, label the next session of episodes coming out. A lot of things will be revealed, and, you'll probably start looking at characters from the first 12 episodes that you were just like, I like them. And then you'll start looking at them like, you know, maybe I shouldn't have liked them type stuff. But, I I I at this point, without giving too much away, the first 12 episodes or the first, like you said, 38 chapters, I think the reader and the watcher is thinking, like, you know, Denji is probably wanting to be a hero and wanting to get rid of, these these evil fears that are out here, manifesting, or if anything, getting rid of them so they can't be used by people who wanna use them for harm.
Mac:I like, the Yakuza who wanna make deals with all these devils to to to use them. So I think for me, I'm just like, he wants to be a hero, but I've never sat and really thought about what is really driving him at that point. You got anything, Jackie?
Jacci:No. I think, personally, I think that it started off with just a basic necessity to survive because he, he just needed to eat. Like, that's all it was. So that's what was driving him is to survive the next day and feed himself in poach top. But now that Makima has given him some type of purpose, and that purpose comes with food.
Jacci:But in addition to that, it's that she's just giving him, like, something to look forward to, and it's something he's never seen before. That's his new purpose now, and that's what's driving him now. And I I think it's just very single-minded and that it includes, like, helping other people because he also doesn't want people to hurt. But what's driving him to continue to do it is he's found a a purpose now instead of just, like, wondering what his life is supposed to be like.
EJ:Instead of just surviving, he's found a a a course for his life, a path.
Jacci:Yeah. Yeah.
Deante:Yeah. He goes all out for that.
Mac:Yeah. Okay. That's a lot for with with the the makama, like, being patient because a lot of the other female characters are, like, get the fuck away from me type stuff. But she's, like, patient she's patient with him, willing to talk. She knows what he wants.
Mac:Right? She's just like, I'll let you touch my boobs if you go do this type of stuff. So, I mean, he's being used in a sense. You know?
EJ:Yeah. She knows.
Jacci:Which Well, she her whole creator or creator, her whole character, I think what the creator has said is she's manipulative
Mac:and
Jacci:and controlling. So Yeah. All about it. Is when she finds use of people, she's going to figure out what motivates them.
Mac:And so
Jacci:that's why she's so patient because she knows she's gonna get something out of it, and all she's gotta do is dangle what it is that that person wants. And it's fun for her because it's so easy to get people to listen to her and do her bidding. And so that's why her patience is there because people are listening to what she wants and doing what she wants them to do. If her patience is gone, well, if you've watched the show or read the story, you know what's gonna happen.
Mac:So Watch out for her.
Jacci:And she's still very calm too, man.
Mac:Another thing I wanna I wanna bring up is is the the level of determination, or I guess how strong her manipulation is. Because every time my man, Denji, pulls that cord and transforms, like, he feels the pain of the chainsaws coming out of his it's not like he's a it's not like Wolverine where, you know, it's a shrink, and it's just like, let's go, bub. Like, he feels the tearing of the skin, the the bone, and everything. And every time he pulls that cord, he's like, it's go time. He endures that pain in order to do what he needs to do.
Mac:And, the fact I think he, for him, like, the fuel is, like, the blood from, from, like, his kills. Right? Because I think when he's, the one episode he's fighting the, the eternal devil
EJ:The infinity. Yeah. The infinity devil was free. Constant fuel
Mac:for the down there just like, man. He's like, this blood is gross, but it's keeping me going. Too stuck. Yeah. And the and the devil's just like, alright.
Mac:I fucking quit. It's almost like I've come to bargain with you, DeMarmo. Like, it was one of those things where my man is just like, I can't fucking take shit no more. Alright. You Yeah.
EJ:The devil wanted to die. It showed him his heart. It's like, go ahead. Cut my heart because I'm tired of pain. Because, I mean, yeah, he was endless, but that's endless pain.
EJ:I mean, Denji was there kicking cutting down everything for 3 days straight. You gotta imagine that pain, the chainsaw pain for 3 days getting stuff hacked off. I'm like, horse wanted to die. He's like, just kill me now. Kill me now,
Mac:brother. That's
EJ:that sucks.
Mac:But, yep. So I think we we we beat this dead horse, talking about the the manga and the creator.
Jacci:Well, I do have some fun facts.
Mac:Let's go with the fun facts. Okay.
Jacci:So the first fun fact is apparently, Chainsaw Man's main protagonist, Denji, made a cameo in chapter 259 of my hero academia.
Mac:Sure.
Jacci:So it's in that chapter, it's when, they they were in the paranormal liberation front raid team, and, I forget what fat I think it's fat man, in that he's in the front. And right behind him, you can see Denji as chainsaw man.
Mac:Yeah. He's running in there in front of, what's the name? I guess, Fat Gum? The the big Yeah.
Jacci:Fat Gum. That's what it is. Fat Gum.
Deante:Wow.
Jacci:Yeah. I was like, what? Sorry. I I have a bunch. The other one is, apparently, the gun devil's death list doesn't just have, like, the list of random names.
Jacci:It also has, like, famous anime and manga creator names. So, like, the author of Golden Kamuy, Satoru Nota, author of Black Clover, Yuki Tabata, author of My Hero Academia, Kohei Horikoshi, author of 1 piece.
Mac:Are you sure?
EJ:These are the owner
Mac:that's coming for everybody.
Jacci:Author of attack on Titan, Hajime Isayama, Blair of Bleed, Tite Kubo, and also the famous devil oh, yeah. They well, I won't say that one. Sorry. But, like, it it also has, like, like, it has, like oh, I didn't know that. So I was like, oh, that's that's funny.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And then I guess the creator in an interview, he revealed that Makima also has a very kinky side and said that she owns a strap on.
Mac:Hey. Your boy your boy, Digi, he he hey. He could pick them.
EJ:Dingi ain't ready for that, man. He's only had his first kiss.
Mac:Hey. Digi Digi could pick them, bro. Digi's like, there's something about you, Bakama.
EJ:Don't ruin his first everything. Okay? His first kiss was ruined. Let's not ruin his first experience, like, busting
Mac:out this.
Deante:There's something about you, Makima.
Mac:I gotta I gotta see what that's like, Makima. My dear.
Deante:Changed man when she get done with him. Yeah. Oh, man.
Mac:It's a different And on
Jacci:the subject of Makima, which I thought was cool, is I guess Fujimoto always wanted Makima to be a character of his. So when he was creating, like, a lot of his different fantasy works and one shots, apparently, like, Makima was a character that is prevalent in a lot of those one shots. It's just not Makima for chainsaw man. But he already knew, like, what Makima was gonna look like and who she was gonna be, like, before he even started working on chainsaw man. He just wasn't he didn't know, like, where she was gonna go.
Jacci:And then I guess the last couple things I have is, all of the awards you were talking about, the one award that I think is really cool that the series has won is the manga with the most death awards, and it was won in 2020.
Mac:Was it just for that year or just overall the most deaths?
Jacci:You know, I didn't do more research to see that. I I think it might have been
Mac:for just
Jacci:that year.
Mac:For death.
Jacci:Because it got awards for the best manga, best drawing, best action, but it got the manga with the most death awards that the series won in 2020.
Mac:Because I'm trying to think, man. Attack on-site was was hitting the fucking That was Aaron's villain arc where Aaron was out here just when he showed up
Jacci:I wonder when they say death, though, they're considering, like, the population
EJ:Oh, okay.
Jacci:A part of that as well, which would make sense.
Mac:Because I'm like, man.
Jacci:I think the only thing close to that would be 1 punch man, but I don't know. Well, I
EJ:don't know. On scene death wise, I mean, like, the focus, it does have a pretty high count of even even when insignificant characters like, when the Yakuza guys are biting it, especially when Makima's taking care of people, she's just like, I'm done. I'm I'm getting, you know, I'm gonna take some action. Those are insignificant characters, but in most anime when the insignificant characters die, you don't get a straight focus on it.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:I mean, they straight up showed you each of these dudes trying to run for their lives.
Mac:They're like,
EJ:oh, shit. You know? And she just, like, done.
Mac:You know? It's like, oh.
EJ:Those guys were getting smoke, man. I mean, you you could see it. I mean, it was so I could I could say how they might say on screen, care focus on characters dying instead of just generalized, oh, you know that city. All those people got wiped out, you know, from a hit. Now this is you saw that dude get, you know, head smooshed.
EJ:You know what I'm saying?
Jacci:And then the last thing is about power, your favorite character. So I guess her character is inspired by Eric Hartman
Mac:Mm-mm.
Jacci:And Walter Subchak from The Big Lebowski, which it says that's why it makes sense. She's such a messed up character, and I guess her name is inspired by an angel of the Christian angelic higher hierarchy.
EJ:Some powers. Yeah. The judges, the powers, the yeah. Okay.
Mac:So it
Jacci:makes sense why she's such a complex character. She got fucking Eric Cartman.
EJ:I just like her exaggerations, and her her, like, exaggerations and lies are just perfect. Like Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. It was a she's a spoiled teenager with no love for anyone except for herself, which was that's where the inspiration comes from is from that nerd.
Mac:I think throwing these these powers and these, these abilities on, like, legit gen z type teenagers is hilarious to me because, like, they're they're just, like, there's no, like, internal motivation. Everything is, like, what's in it for me? Like, I'll do it, but what am I getting out of it instead of the intrinsic, like, I gotta do this. This is my this is what I have to do. You know?
Mac:So I think that that's the thing, and I think that's what, Makima just just not praise on, but just uses to her advantage is if you do this, then this. And they're just like, well, fuck it. Okay. I'll do it then as long as I get this from it.
EJ:You know? Yeah. Very simple control, like, conditioning control, like you do with a dog. You know, you do this for me, you get a prize. And she likes that that they're very I mean, I think Aki's different because she knows he's driven by his own motivations that are more,
Jacci:I don't know. Personal.
EJ:Yeah. Driven by his past. So he's not as easily manipulated.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:Because if you notice, like, she she trusts him. She knows he does his job, but she doesn't spend a lot of time trying to convince him or make him do things because he's more she knows I could just let the leash off and he's going. You know what I mean? He's driven by his own he doesn't need that reward.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:His reward is getting to pursue his revenge. So but, yeah, she she's definitely the manipulation is just amazing.
Mac:Yeah. It's not a whole lot of not a whole lot of Dekus on, on this squad that are just out here trying to trying to be the best hero for humanity. These dudes are like, I'll do it, but what am I getting out of it? So Yeah. With that being said,
EJ:it
Mac:is time for us to get into the anime that was beautifully done and drawn by MAPPA and some amazing music that I'm sure Jackie cannot wait to talk to you all about. So He knew this. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%.
Mac:I was like, oh, she's gonna love this.
EJ:This. I was like, yeah. Jackie's gonna be all on.
Mac:Ladies and gentlemen, let's get into our anime adaptation, segment. Alright, Jackie. As always for this, we will start off with the music. So openings and all 12 closings. What you got for us?
Jacci:Well, there's only one opening.
Mac:Banger, though. Banger.
Jacci:Kickback by Kenshi Ionesu. And I tried to see if he did any others. I didn't see
Mac:He did.
Jacci:He did any other openings for any other anime, but then I I but I did start focusing on the the closings a lot.
Mac:So So the opening, for Kenji, he did the 2nd opening for my hero, the peace sign. Yeah. Yeah. So he knocked that one out the because that's the only opening from, my hero that that I fuck with, as as bad as that sounds.
Deante:Yeah. The visuals the I mean, excuse me. The visuals for the opening are insane too, because there's a whole different movie references that's in it. And that's
Jacci:I counted, what I've researched was 16 different references. I have them all. I'm already ready for them.
Mac:But, he's also done, I think Knew you would. Several several other openings, but they're from lesser known. Like, I don't wanna say lesser known animes that I haven't watched, like, what is it, The Line in March or something like that. One of
Jacci:the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mac:Yeah. So he's done openings, for lesser not lesser. I keep saying that. Lesser known that I don't know about. But it's not like he's he's not really out there, like, hitting a lot of the the main stream ones, modern day ones, I guess.
Mac:So but I do feel like kickback did kinda put him on the map, and I think he's about to get a couple more couple more openings.
Jacci:Yeah. That was a really fun opening. It was different, and, didn't realize it had so many of the, hi, references to the movies until, like, I was, like, researching it. So the first I this is not order, but I'll just talk about it. Like, the opening shot, I'm not too familiar with this, but it makes a reference to divine comedy, which is the literary masterpiece by an Italian poet named Dante Alighieri, which his work just tells a tale about a pilgrim who goes through the stages of the afterlife, hell, purgatory, and heaven.
Jacci:So when Denji is pulling on his cord, there's an illustration of that art that's in the background, and that's what that
EJ:Very, very famous.
Jacci:Reference to, and it's talking about the the cunningness of a politician in the 8th circle of hell, which makes sense because he's a devil. So it's already, like, starting off with that. And then, of course, chainsaw massacre is in there. So when, Denji's sitting there holding poochi ties, he's sitting down, like, instead of it being like the rotting corpse on a monument that's in the the movie, it's instead Denji that's holding, poochita, which is also kinda ironic because poochita is dead, but he's inside him. So you can say that he's kinda rotting inside of him if you want.
Jacci:And then Pulp Fiction, with the gun. Yep. That was sick. Then you have another Tarantino scene when Makima and everyone's walking through the empty Tokyo street. So that's Reservoir Dogs.
EJ:That's that's Tarantino.
Jacci:Oh, yeah. Here we go. Yeah. So that one right there. Look at that.
Jacci:And then, sorry. Where else are we going for? There's the chain yep. There's Pulp Fiction. Oh, that one?
Jacci:Sorry. Pause. That's 3 references for
Mac:She's like 5.
EJ:5.
Mac:Hold on. Hold on.
Mac:Hold on. Let me let me Oh, Betty. Right there.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. So this one oh, as they're going into that hole, this is a Japanese reference. Sorry. I didn't put this in. Oh, yeah.
Jacci:It's a bone chilling reference to a lesser known Japanese horror film. Don't oh, wait. That's different. Hold on. I think I'm I think I'm this I I forget what this one is.
Jacci:Go to the next one. Okay. This one right here is based off of I think it's Constantine. Hold on.
Mac:I thought it would have something to do with, like, the old timey doctors. The
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:Used to wear those, those masks in order.
EJ:You just gave me the, I don't know if you guys
Jacci:No.
Jacci:Here it is. I found it. It's, this has to do with the Coen Brothers No Country for Old Men.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Both fictional killings of and Anton Chigurh in 1980 West Texas. Even with the simple act of removing moving his shoes, Chigurh has a cold and decent look on his face, which chainsaw man reimagines with its masked character, Golgali. Oh. So that's what that's based off of. Okay.
Jacci:Now I'm in here. So the car scene right here, this is with Leonardo DiCaprio once upon a time in Hollywood, which is pretty sick. This one is with oh, I think this is with kill attack of the killer tomatoes.
Mac:I think
Jacci:it's Oh,
Mac:because yeah. Look at the, the poster over here.
Jacci:Yes. Which, believe it or not, the first devil that Denji kills is a tomato devil.
Mac:Yep.
Deante:Man.
Jacci:This one is don't look up, for the
Mac:The Netflix, Yeah.
Jacci:The Japanese lesser known Japanese horror film. It's called, it's it's involves around a film crew that's being haunted by a pale woman dressed in white. The iconic scene shows actress whatever, and the supporting actress possessed by the ghost last maniacally in the background, which was power.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And then this one is, Jacob's ladder. So I guess, this scene is referenced shows Jacob's final moments when he returns home. He's reuniting with his son who's patiently waiting on the stairs. In reality, the soldier was inside a triage tent where doctors soon declared his passing. So this is Jacob's ladder.
Jacci:This one has to do with Constantine. This one's Constantine.
EJ:Yeah. Constantine. Okay.
Mac:Yes.
Jacci:And then this is just a reference to a chapter of them sitting at the movie. A lot of the next few scenes are just, like, the manga and anime itself. It's nothing any crazy. Mhmm. The next one is gonna be when they're about to go bowling, and that is in reference to The Big Lebowski right here.
Mac:Yeah. I knew this was The Big Lebowski.
Jacci:Yep. And then after this okay. So this one, I read something that this was in reference to Thor, the most recent one. Rock star. I can't remember what that one's called.
Mac:Love and Thunderbird.
Jacci:Yeah. The way that it was, like, presented, but I couldn't find that anymore when I googled it.
EJ:So someone talked about The lettering kinda matches that one.
Jacci:Yeah. It was the lettering. Some people said they think it was Thor, but I could not get that confirmed. This is nothing. This is just a regular anime.
Jacci:And then if you keep going, there's one where he's, like, bursting out of something, and there's, like, blood everywhere, which is keep going. That one's nothing. Nope. I
Mac:think these are just the action shots from Yes. Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. Keep going.
Mac:From the lip
Jacci:Okay. So it's it's after this one. He's bursting out, and that one is, to, neon, Evangelion, which I'll tell you in a second. It's coming up, I think, right here. Yeah.
Jacci:Right here. So as he's bursting out right here, that's in reference to, Neon Evangelion. And then, the next one is that ball, which has to do with fight club.
Mac:Oh, yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. So if you press play, you'll see it rolling, and then that's, like, where the reference is is from is fight club. It goes, the next scene. Right here. Yeah.
Mac:Yep. So
Jacci:as it's going, that's where you got fight club. And then the last one, it did do, like, we just don't know this. It was, it came full circle with a nod to latest one shot manga by the chainsaw author. The opening sequence shows Power walking away from a fire explosion. So apparently, that's similar to a iconic scene that's in Goodbye, Eri, which is a manga that explores sensitive topics such as death and mourning through a teenager known as Utah, the aspiring filmmaker, tries to cope with the mother's illness and death by documenting the events, but not everyone is pleased with his creative efforts.
Jacci:The scenes may be going off the cliche trope that cool guys don't look at explosions. Also, there's that too. But for the case of Utah, the explosion acts as a cathartic moment in his life, so it's a little bit of a nod to one of his, one shots. So a lot of references. I thought it was pretty sick.
Jacci:The I mean,
EJ:it's all of those references.
Mac:Seconds of animation, and they crammed so much pop culture into it. Brilliant.
EJ:Yeah. It's surprising to see how much,
Mac:Western Western cinema.
EJ:Western nineties cinema, you know, influences they they they focused on there. Because, I mean, Reservoir Dogs is
Mac:I mean,
EJ:it's you know, to me, that's probably Tarantino's best. And and I I I felt that vibe with when the groups are together. Like, I like, one of my favorite things about this is how
Mac:Their uniforms and stuff is just the
EJ:Yeah. They come the when they're on mission, but before anything really kicks off, it feels like a slice of life kinda show. Like, they just go out to eat, they go and, you know, wake up in the morning, and it's very slice of lifelike, and you get to see character interaction more so. Like, you know, you mentioned character building and so forth, but this is more like it's building that that, unity or the the cohesion of the group or the to to failure to to have cohesion where you see Denji in power and live with Aki, and it's just, like, total chaos. But you get to see that, you know, and and you don't see that often.
EJ:So I I thought that build was was was awesome because it shows, like, his focus on characters is is is is great.
Jacci:Yeah. I I don't it was very interesting, like I said before, like, to see this guy, like, take western pop culture and put it into an anime like this. Never would have thought that would ever happen. I thought it was super cool. It makes sense because he's my age, so I guess he's with it.
Jacci:I don't know. But I do wanna do but the thing is I don't even watch movies. So half the references, like, I haven't even seen any of those movies.
Deante:So That's what I mean.
EJ:They're older. They're older movies.
Jacci:They have any effect on me.
EJ:92, 93, we're saying, for his birthday? I mean, you're talking Big Lebowski, Fight Club. All these movies, he was
Mac:a tyrant.
Jacci:I have seen Fight Club, but I haven't seen, like, The Big Lebowski. I haven't seen, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which I think is a remake. The most recent one is a remake, isn't it?
EJ:Sort of. It but it it's based on the original. But Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah.
EJ:Yeah.
Mac:There's some Tarantino isms.
Deante:Yeah. Yeah. Reservoir Dogs is my
EJ:favorite reference. Exactly. Reservoir Dogs is probably Tarantino's best work.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:Most cohesive work throughout the whole movie, whereas some of his stuff goes off into the batshit crazy, like Dust till Dawn, where you're, like, bank robbery, 2 guys, then suddenly it's vampires in Mexico. Like Yeah. Look at that. App? Reservoir Dogs, though, is a is probably one of the best ever dialogue between people.
EJ:That's why I felt it when these characters have that going. You know, like, that's what carries Reservoir Dogs. They don't even know each other's names in the movie, but their interaction and the dialogue between them makes that movie, like, unmatched
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:When it comes to it. And his bringing the characters together and their interactions reminded me of that. It was, like, really good.
Jacci:Before we start talking about the ending, since Deontay just got on here, do you have your shot, mister?
Deante:I do. I do have a shot.
Mac:Oh, my man jumped
Deante:in late and was prepared? Let's
Deante:Do it. Let's go. I got a second.
Mac:So I gotta use the smoke
EJ:pick one for this one. Yeah.
Jacci:Oh, nice. Yeah.
Deante:I got
Jacci:Got my little poppy. Post Malone basically decided that the wild berry poppy is his soda, by the way. So
Mac:Is it what?
Jacci:I love poppies. They're freaking amazing.
Mac:Well, you're a lot
Deante:of to give them a shot.
Mac:I don't know if they would I don't know if they would appeal to my 40 year old, you know, sense of taste.
EJ:Pallet? Your your
Mac:My pallet.
EJ:Gen Gen x pallet?
Deante:Yeah. Here. Wait.
Jacci:Come by. Alright. Endings. The coolest thing that this anime could have ever done is what I haven't seen any anime ever do this. Not only did they have 12 endings for each so an ending for each episode, a different one.
Mac:A different song.
Jacci:They also had a different
EJ:Different song.
Jacci:Animation or style to go with that song, and it was about, like, different characters too. And I thought that was, like, the coolest thing. I don't think we realized that was a thing until episode 3.
Mac:Yeah. Because at first, I'm just like, bro, I need to
EJ:go back and check it.
Mac:Do I skip this? I was
Jacci:like, did they already change the song? I was like, what?
Mac:Do I skip this, or do I let it ride? Like, normally Yeah. You pick up, like, this is the ending. Do I like it or not? I can skip credits.
Mac:But now I'm just like
Jacci:But most of the endings are pretty sick. And you if you like a lot of these types of, shows, like, it makes sense why you would like a lot of the endings. So I won't go through all of them, but some notable band, like, j pop bands are, there you go. We got chainsaw blood by Von D. So they're most notable for doing 1 piece movie red as well as the opening for ranking of the kings ranking of kings.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:Number 2 is yep. That one. So those band members apparently fun fact about these band members, this is kinda cool, they obscure their appearance and they perform behind a translucent screen when they go live. So no one knows what they actually look like. They're all mysterious.
Jacci:These guys so if you know remember what maximum the hormone is? They did opening 2 of death note, what's up people, which in my personal opinion is my favorite opening. And then I never watched DBZ resurrection f, but, they did that one as well. The next few are not very known. They're more vocaloid producers, so this is 4, 5, and 6, but they're best known for using Hatsune Miku Miku.
Jacci:And Tsukumichi Moonlit Fantasy is also 1. Number 7, Choo Taiyose by Anno. I've never watched Tiger and Bunny 2, but that's the only thing I could find that this artist has done any type of music for. Yeah. And then the last few endings, you start getting into your notable ones.
Jacci:So you got, like, yeah, t k, so that's 91 days. And, of course, Tokyo Ghoul Unravel, which I think a lot of people will argue sometimes is one of the best, like, openings.
Mac:Let's not do this. Let let's let's
Jacci:not disagree. We can talk about that a different time.
Mac:Yeah. I
Jacci:like it. I would say it's one of the best. Aymr is like I would say Aymr Queen Bee Cave are your top 3. Aymr is one of those ones, man, like Demonslayer. Night, Vinland saga, season 2 opening of Fire Force, like, opening 3 is sound demon flavor, which is my fave one of my favorite openings because I love that season because I love the sound of Sheera.
Jacci:It's such a fun arc that well, I like that character, him. If you like watching Spice and Wolf, I watched it back when it first came out. They reanimated it, so it's a little bit different. And then, of course, ranking of kings again. Dogland by people 1, I think they only did chainsaw.
Jacci:I cannot find anything else by them. And then queen b, if you are a doro fan, like, queen b is fucking it.
Mac:Lit.
Jacci:They also did devil man crybaby, Tokyo Ghoulry, which I don't really like Tokyo Ghoulry, but whatever. Undead luck if you watch that, that's on my watch list. Oshinoko, I'm currently watching that. It's a fucking mess up. And then last one, fight song by Eve, which JJK.
Jacci:B, JJK, promise to ever land, second opening of Doro, MHA, which this is personally my opinion, the best season of MHA. K? Because that is where you got dark Deku, and this is also when it I personally think it's one of the best openings. And also, they did the opening for bubble. If you haven't watched that movie, it's about, some parkour shit with some chick that comes down in a bubble from outer space.
Jacci:You should watch it. It's on Netflix. I liked it. It was great. I've I found so many songs and also random artists that I was like, this is cool.
Jacci:So I just started adding them to, like, you know, my list.
EJ:And then you look it up, and it shows all these suggestions of other artists that are similar, and it's just like
Mac:this rat hole. The best rat hole. Just the best rat
EJ:hole there's a lot of.
Jacci:It's just cool. It was cool. And I so I actually was rewatching chainsaw man today while I was working, because I work from home. I did. No.
Jacci:I really did. I worked from home. I I logged on, and I started doing shit. And I put it in the background, but I put on English dub, which I did not watch an English dub the first time. But I put English dub just because I I wasn't gonna be able to pay attention to it, so I wanted it there.
Mac:You watched it sub first. Right?
Jacci:Yes. I did.
Mac:Was it subparable?
Jacci:Dub actually wasn't that bad. I did not hate the dub. Okay. Didn't hate it.
EJ:I had to watch a dub, and, I had to turn off the the subtitles because they were so
Jacci:They're different.
EJ:Yeah. So bad.
Jacci:I mean, it is thing I noticed even when the Crunchyroll
Mac:is the worst with that. When you watch it
Deante:really are.
Mac:Watching the dub, you're like, you're not even turn this off. I know.
EJ:It ruins it. I was like, who's Maguire? Every time they're talking to Machima, it's a different name. He's like, lady Machima lady Maguire is like, what? What?
EJ:Yeah.
Deante:That's There's a list of things that Crunchyroll gets in troubles for, and that is the number one thing with everybody.
Jacci:A bitch, why am I paying you a 100 plus fucking dollars a year to be your super fan, and you can't even get the subtitles right. Like, what's going on? I've been your biggest fan for, like, 10 years now.
Mac:What is happening? Toes down. Like, they sent her shades. When she showed me her her membership kit, I was like, where the fuck is mine? She's like, are you a super fan?
Mac:And I went and looked at it. I was like, no. I'm cool, bro.
Deante:Thank you. Yeah, man.
Jacci:I'm a super fan. I've been I've been a super fan. Fuck these guys.
Mac:She put
Deante:her shades on. I'm on those.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. I I it was really cool. Like, I think all the artists that they selected, like, oh, there was not a bad song, in my personal opinion, that they picked for the
EJ:ending. Fit really good. I just fit. In the scenes.
Mac:When when when shows just take the creative, like, chance to do that. Because like you said, I I watched the first one, and then the second episode starts the same opening. It ends. I'm just like, am I tripping? Is
Deante:this stuff? Yeah. And then, you know, I don't
Jacci:go back to the first episode. You're like Let it ride.
Deante:No. This is because I'm not I'm not paying too.
Mac:It's it's episode 2. Episode 3 comes, and I'm just like, oh, I'm hella tripping now. Like, let me go back and let me Google this, and they're just
Deante:Like, look at
EJ:your your
Mac:There's a different ending for every episode. I'm just like, that is
EJ:Make sure make sure I didn't
Mac:drink too much. You know, that is brilliant. Like, not even a new song.
Deante:The animation, a new A
Jacci:new art?
Mac:New art. The the I'm just like, bro, I'm in.
EJ:It it really made each episode seem so significant Yes. And different.
Jacci:And unique to its Exactly. To that character and that that it was about that like, you know, there's episodes that you'll get where you wanna focus on certain characters sometimes and go in their backstory and and and whatever you wanna highlight. They felt like they really wanted to highlight this is very similar to Jujutsu Kaisen where the main character isn't the primary focus. It's they're still putting so much focus on all of the the secondary, tertiary, even quadriery characters that somehow you find such an incredible attachment to still, and you like their way of thinking, and then just bam, something happens.
EJ:Yeah. It it it makes you buy into it. It really does. It brings depth to the whole thing. So you're not just like, oh, Jeff died.
Jacci:Yeah.
EJ:Who? Who? What?
Jacci:So so one thing one thing, actually fun fun fact for me is I actually didn't know if I was gonna like this anime because when I watched the trailer, when he transforms, it's so, like, stiff and 3 d like, in the trailer. And I was like, damn, dude. I don't think I'm gonna like this. Like, I think the animation's gonna kinda suck. And this was the first anime where I saw that the animation was going more realistic, like, 3 d like, because I think it's, RWBY It's kinda like that, which is why I stopped watching it.
Jacci:But I heard it's really great. I just I didn't like the animation. But I see some anime is doing this sometimes, and I was afraid that, like, oh, this is it. This is now what we're going to. This is what animation's gonna look like.
Jacci:This is frustrating, which I'm glad it hasn't been doing that. Like, Madhouse has been one of those ones that their their art is, like, really gorgeous. But, I I feel like, if you watch Sailor Moon Crystal, they did the same thing for the transformations. They made them more 3 d like, and I was like, I'm not with this. This is weird looking.
Jacci:But then they switched back to the normal art style of just, like, you know, whatever, and it was way better. I think they kinda started doing that a little bit with Chainsaw Man, but they kept they did still keep the realism and the and the, the the detail and the art still at at, like, a level that was beyond what we're used to that it didn't it it looked it still looks really great. So at first, when I started watching this or I was getting ready to, I did not think I was gonna like it just because of that.
Mac:Well, here's here's where I'm at. Like, there are certain anime studios when they're just like it's gonna be animated by this studio. Like, I'm I'm a give it a 100% a shot. Like, MAPPA is what MAPPA is one of them. Even though say how you feel about them.
Mac:They they they there's some controversies, with MAPPA as far as, workload they're giving people, scheduling, the culture there, coming under scrutiny, all of that good stuff, low pay for, like, veteran animators and stuff. And then even some of the anime that they claim to have produced, they were just more they weren't really providing much except, like, a few things. So to the point where it's like, did you even put in on this, Mappa? But Yeah. Of course, they're one of the bigger companies, so they're like, Mappa.
Mac:Like, EA, I guess, when, like, Respawn does Titanfall, EA is like, that's us. Like, no. It's fucking Respawn. You guys suck. But, I mean, you you look at their their track record, though.
Mac:Like, when you you hear MAP or you hear, you hear Wiz or or Whit. You hear, you know, project ID. You know, certain studios where I'm just like, you know, I'm a I'm a tap in and see how it does. I do agree with you, Jackie, when I was first looking at it. It just gave me small hints of the Berserk remake with the full CGI stuff, and I'm just like, bro, I am not a fan.
Mac:When you go full CGI and it's not good, bro, that is how you you you fuck that whole thing up. Like, you they messed Berserk up so much.
EJ:Yeah. Like, the full CGI Berserk was, like, the action felt so forced and puppeted. Like, it just took it took it away. Like, you're just like, oh, they're fighting. Like, what?
Mac:Picking up his sword is just, like, just like, there's no emotion in it. He's just
EJ:It's really bad. Yeah.
Mac:And I'm
EJ:just I mean, it can be done right. I mean, you've seen CGI CGI used to the extent where it can be done right when you see stuff like, the advent children advent children, movie that
Mac:they made. Yeah.
EJ:The the Appleseed, total CGI for Appleseed. I can't remember which one it was, but they were done really well, but that's a movie that they could take all the time to, you know, each frame they put focus on. When you get to a series, if you do that too much, you end up with stuff like that Berserk where it's just like it felt it looked like a cutscene from a PS 2 game. You're like
Jacci:Yeah. What?
Mac:It's cute. Like Final Fantasy 7. Like, the fucking cutscenes with Sephiroth shows up you're like
Deante:No,
Mac:no a 100% my my favorite story
Deante:my favorite story, but going back and playing the the the PS one version and you don't get me wrong.
Mac:Don't get me a bro.
Jacci:It's bad. It's pretty blocky. It's like that like, that was the foreshadowing of Minecraft and Roblox.
EJ:Oh my god. And we went back we went back and made bro Roblox and Minecraft. They
Mac:were like Yeah.
Deante:They were like, polygons.
Mac:Polygons. We could put them engaged.
Deante:Started on 7 Deadly Sins. Probably, like, flip out.
EJ:Oh, yeah.
Mac:Oh, yeah.
Deante:The 7 Deadly Sins took a turn for the worst because of shit like that.
Mac:Bro, they went to my
Deante:movie come out last year.
Mac:They went to my son's 2nd grade class. I was like, do you guys wanna try and draw some shit? You know, and then we'll then we'll just we'll make this the thing. But, like, if if you don't know, MAPPA does have, like, some some heavy hitters and stuff. I mean, you say stuff like, you know, Attack on Titan, the first three seasons.
Mac:Got up high school, say what you want about the story, the animation, and the fights, like, next level type stuff. Yeah. JJK, need I say more with that stuff? Attack on Titan season 4. Jameson.
Mac:Chainsaw Man, Vinland see Vinland saga, Hell's Paradise. You know, like, the
Jacci:I love I
Jacci:fucking love Hell's Paradise.
EJ:Yeah. I love I love the animation in that. It is beautifully done. Yeah. I
Mac:mean, they they do fucking work. So map is on this. I give it a shot. Again, the trailer, I'm looking at it. I'm just like, oh, fucking, like, MAPPA, you fucking up.
Jacci:Yeah. I didn't know.
Mac:I was
Jacci:like, dude, I hope not.
Mac:I saw the opening. I saw the opening, and I saw how fluid that was, and I'm just like, I'll give it a shot. And I was not disappointed. Very well done. Very well animated.
Mac:Is a 100% of the gore from the the manga in the anime? No. But there's enough of it to where you're just like, I get I get the source material is is is a bit darker, a bit more gory. You know? Yeah.
Mac:It's very This stuff still
Mac:has to be fair.
Jacci:Because there's one scene too that's pretty disgusting.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:That's censored, but I think in the manga, it's not.
Mac:It's not.
EJ:Mhmm. It's what a scene is that?
Jacci:Well, I don't wanna say it because I'd rather people watch it.
Deante:Yeah. I just want to
Jacci:be just as surprised as I was and just as, like I had to pause, and I had to, like
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:I couldn't believe I saw
Mac:that. Yeah. It's a
Deante:I read the manga first
Mac:too, and Oh, you did? I saw okay.
Deante:Yeah. I I when I heard that it got announced that it was gonna be MAPPA Studios, baby
Mac:Right.
Deante:I was like, oh my god. I might be locked in on this. It sounds like a brilliant idea. Like, Mappa couldn't have been a better studio to do this, TV series. And
Mac:I would say that's probably spot on because they they picked up the attack on Titan, and they did not hold back on the Titan biting down on you. Just like, oh, you showed that. Oh.
Deante:Oh, yeah.
Mac:I thought you're just gonna do this, and then cut to somebody being like, ah, but no.
EJ:It's censorship over in, the Japanese release that we get?
Mac:I don't know if it's censored
Jacci:No.
Jacci:No. No. No. No. No.
Mac:But I know, like
Jacci:know because Crunchyroll doesn't censor. There's still some stuff. There's some mature shit that you can watch Yeah. Depending on what it is. Like,
Mac:the high school d and d b over here, bro.
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:And it gives you that warning. It'd be like, yo. There's some shit in
Mac:this show. Push play if you want. It's a good show, though.
Mac:That's a whole another topic. I've been trying to tell people about shows like that.
Jacci:Steven always asked me. He's like, you like that? That's what you're into. I'm like, it's a good story.
Mac:The story is good, Steven. Never mind the boobs. The the plot is amazing.
Jacci:Who doesn't like boobs? Right? I really like boobs. Let me like boobs.
EJ:There's a lot of complaints that are the the part the people, like, me and me and Willie were talking before the show. Uh-huh. You know, a lot of people were dropping these things like, oh, it's it's just a, you know, perverted, shonen that, you know, is driven by that. And I'm like, you're not you obviously didn't watch the whole thing to get the idea because I think when Jackie and Willie and I were talking earlier, it that's just establishing Denji's drives and Denji what Denji knows. But if you're going to stop right there, you don't ever learn that, you know, he's growing too.
EJ:He starts to he starts changing and wanting more or wanting this, or, you know what I mean? But you have to start it somewhere, and that was part of his story. You wouldn't know the struggle of him growing, you know. And like like Jackie mentioned, he's 16 years old, man. He's gonna wanna touch a boo.
EJ:Yeah.
EJ:Yo. Come on.
EJ:Let's be real here. But there you had some purists on there that are so angry about that. Like, it's just a play to get some perv stuff on. I'm like, yo, man.
Deante:Come on.
EJ:There's a lot worse stuff out
Deante:there. Way worse.
EJ:Way way weird.
Mac:Is there? I don't know. Yeah. Like, dude. What's the name of that
Deante:that anime with the girl with the suit with, like, the lingerie armor on, kill a kill.
Mac:Oh, bro.
Jacci:I love that. That anime's tick.
Mac:Studio Trigger is one of my favorite, animation studios out there. But, yeah, it it's one of those where you're watching it. You're just like, oh, damn. You naked naked. You know?
Mac:Yeah. I
Deante:mean, even best friend.
Mac:Even even certain, like, you know, you got, a comic got killed. Right? And you're just like, man, this this is deep. People are dying. I'm I'm feeling certain way.
Mac:And then as death shows up, you're just like, bro, she got some big ass titties. Like, she
Deante:Yeah. Man.
Mac:This is what you wear to fight? I'm not mad. You know? But, you know Yeah.
Jacci:Well, it's obvious She's she's up some s and m shit too.
EJ:Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. It's a target. I mean, no.
EJ:Only an idiot would think sex, you know, like, oh,
Mac:sex is going to get yeah. 100% shit.
EJ:You gotta be moron not to
Jacci:Whoever said anime was that's also for people who think anime is for kids. This shit is not I understand what's
Deante:going on.
Jacci:Kids. I
Mac:I just tell people, yo, ninja scroll. That's all I'm a say. Watch watch that shit and watch that and tell me it's for
EJ:kids. You're like,
Mac:dad, is this a cartoon I could watch?
Deante:Yeah. Dad, you wanna take your ass to bed right now?
Mac:Boy, what you doing? Dad, can I have some water? What are you watching? Go to bed. You know?
Deante:Go to bed. Drink out the bathroom sink.
EJ:Like your dad, your cartoons on. Like, don't watch that.
Deante:Get out of here.
Mac:Even even even, what is it? Food Wars. Like, you're just watching that, and then all of a sudden, they bite into it.
Jacci:I love that show, man.
Mac:They bite into a biscuit,
Deante:and now they're naked. You just like, yo, lady. It's grits.
Jacci:Yeah, dude.
Mac:It's grits. Calm down. Man. Who knew the biscuits had
Jacci:that foul? Relatable when you take that first bite.
Mac:I mean, I get it. Messy. But, I mean,
Deante:the noises
Jacci:they make in my pants.
Mac:Bro, my
Mac:wife is my wife is like, what are you like, I'm just babe, it's a food.
EJ:It's it's Happens to everyone.
Mac:Watch it with me. You'll understand.
Jacci:Like, I'm finding new recipes for the family.
EJ:Don't take that to Thanksgiving. It's gonna be a strange Thanksgiving.
Deante:Like, babe, my relationship needs a little spice. I want you to be open to something new.
Mac:But, back back to chainsaw, man. You know, MAPPA, they they knocked it out the park with this one, I feel. Yep. Being able to bring just enough of the gore, the some of the the the intense images from the from the the manga to the animated side, just enough to where you can understand how dark this thing can get to, and then, I guess, not as dark enough to get it, like, banned from television so it doesn't air on, whatever. Because if they wanted to go completely red band, it would have been, like, you know, straight to video type stuff.
Mac:Like, most of the joints from late eighties, early nineties was just, like, you know, original video adaptation. Like, this is not being, you gotta show ID to buy this shit. You know? Yeah. So I I do appreciate it.
Mac:And and, like, Eric was talking about, doing a good job with the voice actors. I know I I just watched the sub, but, I just feel the emotion is always just better from the original, like, dialect it was supposed to be written in. Not saying that some, you know, English voice actors don't nail it, but, I always give it the attempt, and I'm just like, man. You know, they they couldn't have done a better job pairing the voice actors to the characters they're representing and then also just bringing them to life via the animation to where you you you grow attached. Like like, I think everybody here I don't know about Deontay, but everybody here is kinda, like, you know, powers the the character that kinda drew them in the most of the first twelve episodes trying to figure out what she's about and everything like that.
Mac:Mhmm. So I don't know if you you had a, favorite character from the, the Devil Hunter crew.
Deante:Man, it I I I was day 1 dingy. I I don't know what it is about dingy, man, but I I there's just something about it, man, that I'm just hooked on.
Mac:Bet. Yeah. I mean, he he's a close second. You know, just knowing his his upcoming and and his struggle, the grind he was on, you know, and, getting to where he's at. Like, you you you can't help but to root for him.
Mac:You know? And, you know I
Jacci:actually like Hayakawa. I like Aki the most.
Deante:Aki the most.
Jacci:Like, I'll take pictures. I always do this symbol a lot when I take pictures. I just think, like, his power is so cool. Dude goes, kon, and then just go. Yeah.
Jacci:Okay.
Mac:Aki is a big ass bike taken out.
EJ:Moved in. You see you see a lot of or you see Aki is that that trope that you see repeated in other, you know so
Jacci:Yeah. Like in JJK, he's very much like a Takahashi or whatever.
EJ:I think Denji talks to you because of the fact that, like like you mentioned, the struggle, that you see him, and it's, he's so basic in in in what he wants that it's it's endearing to see that, you know, he's so satisfied with even the smallest of things. It makes you it makes you root for him when he you know, you're like, oh, man. This guy, all he wants is a kiss. He's willing to go to the ends of the earth to get his first kiss. You know?
EJ:And you're like, even though he could be an asshole, you're like Yeah. He's not he he you feel for him. You know? You're like it's you know? I I I like I said, my favorite's power.
EJ:Probably my second was Pochita just because, I mean, I think called
Deante:you dog.
EJ:Cutest little devil you've ever seen.
Deante:Oh, yeah.
Jacci:I made I made a pumpkin out of him. I sent it to the group chat.
Deante:Yeah.
EJ:But, I mean, anyone else get the feel I gotta look at his name again. The, the older Devil Hunter that, ends up being, like, an instructor or, like, you know,
Deante:he's like a superhero
Jacci:Tsubu. Kishibe. Kishibe. Kishibe.
EJ:Did anyone else get Constantine or Hellblazer vibes off of him?
Jacci:Did I
Jacci:have Elsa?
Jacci:I love him as a character. That
EJ:he strikes me as hell hellblazer. Like That
Deante:was, like, the best voice actor for him too.
Mac:So
EJ:Yeah. Absolutely. Very well done. I mean, the introduction and the and the the the whole, like, you know, where you go through the normal training montage that gets boring as hell. This was a lot more interesting and and applicable.
EJ:It wasn't so cliched of a training montage. He gets introduced. You see him occasionally here and there, but when he actually starts to become a regular face, it it isn't just that that old cliche of, hey, I'm your master, you know, I'm master so and so, and you're gonna study with me forever. He, like, he takes it to him.
Deante:It was like Right on the right on the spot.
Mac:Yep.
Deante:You're gonna learn. You know who Digi reminds me of, actually? Who's that? Monkey d. Luffy.
Deante:He's pretty much this generation's Luffy because he's Luffy's all you gotta do is give him something to eat and he'll liberate an entire fucking country. It's just like, damn. I mean, that's I
Mac:think I think Luffy has a little bit of, like, that intrinsic motivation. Like, he's he's like you know, I I'll say, what's what's the the first arc? Is it, Arlong Park? Yeah. Yeah.
Mac:When, Nami is like, you know, man, I fucked up. Like, I did this. I was working for these dudes, and Luffy's just like, man, nobody fucking with my crew like that. You know? No.
Mac:Put the hat on her head. He was like, I'll take care of this shit. Like, that that was without Nami being like, I'm a do this for you. I'm a do that. He's just like, no.
Mac:Let me go take care of this. Like, you you a member of the straw hats? I got you. You down.
Deante:So I'm about to go I'm about to fold this fish, man, real quick.
Mac:Yeah. So it's it's things like that. I can see a little bit of Luffy in them. The whole motivates, like, bro, I'm hungry. Like, just feed me.
Mac:Just give me this, and I'm and I'm straight. But, like, when when it gets time for Luffy to be like, let me do the right thing for Business. For this reason. Business. And and granted at the end of the the bigger arc, like, I'm a do this because you're gonna help me be a part of my crew to help me be king of pirates.
Mac:But at that moment, like, Luffy's like, nah. We ain't going down like that. Let me let me take care of business.
Deante:I'm a spend the block for my friend. Yeah.
EJ:In that way, it's kinda like Aki as far as taking care of his people. Mhmm.
Mac:You know,
EJ:like, I could see that Yeah. Yeah. He's, you know, like, you know, even though he wasn't really cool with Denji, Denji was his people. So, like, he was willing to go the whole the you know, that extra mile, take, you know, whatever's gotta be done because it's his people. So you you see that too.
EJ:You know? So that that made him an interesting character as well. He's, you know he wasn't bogged down by just his own, you know, prejudices or or likes and wants. He looked at it as, this is my team. I'm a keep them all together.
EJ:I'm a keep them all alive. You know? And I I thought that was cool.
Deante:Their loyalty is unmatched. Yeah.
Mac:But, yeah, ladies and gentlemen, you heard us in the beginning talking about the story and everything, and now we just talked about the music and the animation and the voice acting. So you can probably see, why we feel it's up there 8, 9, 9.5, according to Deontay the Giant, depending on his mood. But, any final words on, a rec you know, like, if you wanna put it over for the audience who hasn't seen it, any final things you wanna say about this before we move on to recommendations for for some of the other anime we've been checking on?
Jacci:Not that I haven't said already.
Deante:Well, it watch this now while you still have the chance because when they drop season 2, shit's about to get even crazier. And also
Jacci:There's a movie coming out.
Deante:Coming. Yep. It's re the arc. So I
Mac:think it's coming after the next season, I believe. I think they wanna
Jacci:see I don't know. I think
Mac:they wanna finish or they wanna finish this arc because, like, it's this arc, school arc, and then so I don't know if they're just gonna let because I know they announced it last year. I don't know if they announced a release date for it. But based on the arc, it's supposed to be, like, I don't see it coming out anytime soon unless they wanna be kinda out of order with how they do stuff. Yeah. I do appreciate them using a actual art from the story to do a movie and not be like my hero and just throw, like, random movies out there and stuff because not to say I
Jacci:do that. I just read something. Apparently, there is not gonna be a season 2 because over the weekend at jump fast 2024, it was revealed that the manga's next arc will be that film.
Mac:Oh.
Jacci:So that chainsaw man, the movie, right, star the school arc?
Mac:They're okay. Alright.
Jacci:That's what I'm reading right now because it it said that the live season was supposed to come out in 2024, but it is 2024, and I have one.
Deante:Oh, god.
Mac:Don't see it.
Deante:Last time I seen anything, it it I thought they said May 2025, but I could be tripping.
Jacci:I'm trying to look.
Mac:It's hard
EJ:to find a solid answer as to the next step.
Mac:Oh. Because, I mean, I was on that.
EJ:I was
Mac:trying to find solid anime news on the Internet.
EJ:I know. And you get so many rumors. But, I mean, I think that's one of the things. And if and my parting comment would be, as far as the series goes, I walked into this impressed, and I read, you know, saw the the reviews and so forth. I was impressed with the art.
EJ:As you're walking in, the music like Jackie talked about, the the, the voice acting like Willie talked about. But for me to watch a series and the series to grow on me more to the point where I rate it higher and me waiting for the 2nd season, I would go from a 8 or 8.5 to, like, a 9 just just seeing what's next because I'm waiting for that. That's how much I liked it.
Deante:Oh, yeah.
EJ:I mean, my parting thing is watch it like, Deontay said, watch it now so you're ready for whatever comes next because it's worth it. It it only gets better as it goes on instead of some of the other shows where you're like, oh, man. This thing was out the gate. It was it was, you know
Mac:Promise, literally.
EJ:Then, you know, then you get a drop off. This wasn't I didn't have a drop off. I have a I want more. So I think it's I think it's an 888 to 8.5 with with the next stuff coming, it's gonna be a 9.
Mac:It's just
EJ:Oh, yeah. You're ready. You wanna know you know you wanna feel
Mac:more exactly.
Deante:This is why I push you wanna have
Mac:to feel
EJ:more just like then he wants to feel more. You know you just wanna.
Deante:This is why I push for them to make like a console video game because like, Genji's boss battles are insane. So if they they turn into a video game, they would sell out.
EJ:The powers alone, I thought the diversity among the different devil hunters, I thought that was awesome too. Just like the the ghost devil power when it's first shown, you're like, oh, what's that telekinesis or some stuff? You were just, you know, my mind was racing. I was like, that's dope, yo. Gave up my eye and now I got the ability.
EJ:I crushed you with just, you know, I'm like, damn, dude. That shit's tight. You know, it's different. It was different, but in a good way. You know?
EJ:It was like That's
Deante:how I'm like,
Mac:how how are you guys coming up with with new like, new powers like that? Like, you you figure everything's been done. Exactly.
Deante:And then they come out with this shit. You're just like,
Mac:yo, this this this. And then, like, couple years down the road, they're gonna come out with something else where the the fighting style or whatever the system, the power rake is. So you're just like, you know what? How did you just create this? Just you just were sitting there in your chair, like, oh, shit.
Mac:You know what's dope? Yeah. And then next thing you know, your one shot turns into a
EJ:about anime. It's anime keeps coming out with, original ideas to hit you up with. You know, whereas a lot of times, you feel like you run into the cliches and the, you know, hey. We're doing this again. You know?
EJ:But then with a lot of enemies, I I thought, hey. JJK, you know, all these demon hunter, all this stuff, you're kinda in the same genre of paranormal hunters. You know? So you're like, it's just gonna fall in the same no. This is, you know Yep.
EJ:You know, it was like, this was different. Different enough to where it sets it apart. You're still interested, you know, and they're still bringing new new stuff to you. I was like, that that's impressive.
Deante:100%. We got villains like katana Katana Devil and Gun Devil in this series too, so it was like, man, the innovation is strong. The design was just
Mac:Yep. Yeah.
EJ:You never know what to expect when you're seeing the next devil show up. You just, like, they just like the the eternity devil is a 110 degrees different than the leech devil. It's like bam, but they hit it and it and they they the look matches you know your your imagination as it grow, you know growing. You're like,
Deante:oh, wow. That's cool. You know?
Mac:100%. So, like Jackie said, I don't know what else I could tell you. Get out there and watch it. 12 episodes. Like, a lot of the things we're talking about outside of Death Note.
Jacci:4 hours.
Mac:Yeah. Just just 12 episodes. Just give it a shot. You can knock it out over a weekend. You know?
Mac:And then, let us know what you think about it. But it's the time of the show where we, bring our big brains together and let you guys know some animes you may or may not have heard of that you probably should check out. And, this week's put this on your radar. Again, shout out to the homie, Kimpachi, segment dedicated to you. So we'll start with, you, Deontay the Giant.
Mac:Is there any anime, that you wanna put the folks on that they may or may not have heard of?
Deante:Oh, yeah. It's spooky season. So I don't know if you guys might have mentioned this in, like, the past episode already.
Mac:It's about Jackie's favorite, anime.
Deante:Jackie is definitely a huge fan of this series, just came out on, Toonami. There's also one day later on, HBO Max, just now called Max. Is Junji Ito's Uzumaki. Such an incredible exquisite. So let me let me talk.
Mac:Let me ask you this, Beyonce.
Jacci:Don't waste the time, Priyat.
Mac:You this. Animation quality. Which had the bigger fall? I think, like, it was a Maki or 7 deadly sins.
Deante:Oh, man.
Jacci:The Maki had 4 episodes. 7 deadly sins had how many?
Jacci:8 episodes, 3 out of
Jacci:4 episodes. 7 Deadly Sins messed up how many? Maybe 5 or 10? Like, come on.
Deante:I mean, 7 Deadly Sins, they they had to cook for a little bit, and then they threw some bad ingredients in the pot. And that's when shit went sideways. Yeah. Uzumaki was more I feel like you're I'm watching the anthology series because each episode just has a crazy ending, and then they start over fresh at the beginning of the next episode. Like, the other shit just didn't happen.
Deante:It's just like, woah. What the fuck? And it's just
Mac:it I
Deante:don't know why Toonami is showing this, but, they gave it the rights to this to HBO Max as well. And, Junji Ito, he's no he's normally like a horror legend, but this
Mac:There's just some things that don't translate to moving animation. The stills that that creates, how bizarre they are, how, like, mind freak they are. And then somebody's like, oh, I could bring that to life. Now they probably fucking burnt the midnight oil for that first episode. And they're like, bro, we can't we can't fucking do this again.
Mac:You know? Go ahead, Jackie.
Jacci:What happened what happened was it was with the producer that they fucking bit off more than they could chew when it came to the budget and the amount of work that had to be put into the episode 1. So these motherfuckers were like, that was too much. Here you go, person named Drive and some nerd named Akatsuki. Go do your best. And they're like
Mac:Your per diem is now 3.50 a day.
Mac:Alright. $350 room.
Jacci:And then they did it. And then they had to make a decision. Do we accept this mediocracy? Not it's not even mediocre.
EJ:I'm telling you, the company needs to get Jackie Flyer out there just to talk to these guys and make them feel like shit.
Jacci:It's not mediocre. This is so bad. And I'm they they just said, like, well, we put a lot of hard work effort. Where?
Mac:Bro, it's like they had a
Jacci:On episode 1, so you didn't wanna discredit the people that It's like a flip
Jacci:the story. Reading this up.
Jacci:We already talked about this.
Deante:No. No. You gotta get the you gotta get the good parts in there too.
Jacci:Read it.
Jacci:Read it. Watch the live action. Don't watch the fucking anime, dude.
Deante:The the anime is, it's it's quite a piece of work.
Mac:It's like calling it anime? The cartoon. That's what I I would
Deante:say that that that better. You know, like, it was exact same
Mac:Like like Johnny Bravo animators just went up here like, oh, let's give our hands at it. You know? Fucking what what is
Jacci:This is some Mickey Mouse fucking 19 sixties bullshit. Steve Boat Willy.
Deante:The dialogue was good. But that's
Mac:what I hate. When the story is good, but, like, it the the visual, you're just like, I can't fucking do this shit, bro. It'll do it. Lord. Like, I know the story is there, but
Jacci:And I it was such a huge
Deante:I came for all the deaf and and dark humor in in this in this story. So watching people turn into snails and then get cooked by their own, fellow citizens and get eaten called escargot.
Jacci:That is what I came for. I wanted to watch the weird shit. I wanted to be horror. I wanted it to be fucking uncomfortable, and it was confusing, and I was laughing.
Mac:Oh, it was uncomfortable.
Deante:I was uncomfortable for sure.
Mac:Visually uncomfortable. Like, Jackie showed us that that little, like, minute clip. Though these cats was, like, sliding across the screen.
Jacci:Mitch was like, woo. What? What? We're going riding.
Mac:But moving faster
Jacci:than than her legs. Sideways. They're like me.
Deante:You know, people over
Mac:in the
Jacci:middle of
Mac:the street.
Jacci:Like, what the heck?
Deante:They were stoned. They were stoned as fuck when they came up with
Mac:this shit.
Deante:I'm kinda not mad at
Mac:them. 100%. Oh, man. EJ, you got anything for him? Any recommendations?
EJ:Actually, I wanted to throw out, you mentioned it in a on a on a Halloween special, Kabinari.
Mac:Yes.
EJ:There's the series and the movie, both of which I feel, especially because it's spooky season, it's a different take. If you get a chance to check it out, you get to see a little bit of Asian supernatural beliefs or paranormal beliefs. It's it's like a mix between a zombie and a vampire. It's it's very interesting, very well done and Willie does a good job of explaining it in a Halloween special that was on, before for DFPN. But, just to see the mixture of, almost like a a steampunk slash samurai epic set in a fantasy world with these supernatural beings.
EJ:Characters are good. The progression is good. Mhmm. Art is really nice. It's something that you can, another series that doesn't take you know, you don't have to catch up in a episode 3,000 you actually can watch the whole thing and the movie you know in 1 weekend and then enjoy it so carbon of the iron fortress.
EJ:It's it's it's definitely worth to check out. The art and the story are great so beautifully done. Yes.
Mac:Alright, Jackie. What you got?
Jacci:I don't really have anything new. Work's been pretty busy, so I'm going back to things that I've been wanting to watch on my watch list. I've just been sitting there for a while. So I just started 0. I they so they, like, redid, season 1 where they took, like, basically, they did it's like the director's cut version.
Jacci:I don't know if you guys are familiar with that. But not so the all the episodes are an hour. I've never seen that before. It go makes it go by faster because there's no, like, opening or ending or anything. It just, like, everything altogether at once
EJ:Oh, okay.
Jacci:Which is nice. I told Steven, I don't know how I feel about the main character. That's the only thing that I'm, like, battling with right now is, it's so cringey, and I just, like, don't know how I feel.
Mac:It makes a lot
Jacci:of sense. Told me that it's not about him. It's about all the other characters and just to stick with it and keep watching it. So I was like, okay.
Mac:So you put that up there with with, like, Black Clover? Because me and you are kinda on the same page with Black Clover as far as, Asta, the main character, and everybody's like, it's about the other pea I'm like, it is, but if you gotta constantly keep putting Asta on the screen
Jacci:Asta's annoying, though. Like, he doesn't scream like that. He's just he's the things he says and the way that his relationships are with people, it's just awkward and cringey.
Mac:Now is this
Jacci:That's the only thing.
Deante:Man, I might be the only person that likes Asta.
Jacci:I oh, yeah. But in re 0
EJ:Nobody has to, Deontay. Somebody has. Yeah.
Jacci:That that character in re 0 is just, he's a little cringey, but, it's very gruesome, which I was not expecting. And, there's a you can tell there's a lot to unpack in the show. Uh-huh. And, that's kinda what's keeping me engaged is the the suspense and the the mystery of, like, what the fuck is going on. So I'm gonna keep watching it.
Jacci:It's got, 3 seasons. The the 3rd season just dropped. So, season 1, I think, is 20 6 episodes. And since they condensed it all into, like, 3 into 1, ends up being, like, 45 minutes for, like, the first episode or 45, 50 minutes, whatever. And it goes by faster.
Jacci:It's nice. So where are we watching it? I tried to see if the we compare it sometimes, the English dub and the English sub to see, like, if we can deal with the English dub. It's not very good on the English dub, so sticking with the English sub. And then only because we've been talking about chainsaw man, and this is only 6 episodes.
Jacci:If you guys haven't seen it already, it's called FLCL. Mhmm. The creator of chainsaw man was inspired by, like, heavily by FLCL. And have you guys watched it or read it or seen it at all?
Mac:I've I've haven't watched it. No. I haven't.
Jacci:It's an it's an older it's an older anime. It used to be on Adult Swim or Toonami back back in the way back in the day. It's a coming of age story about a 12 year old boy named, Nawa Nandaba who is stalked by a mysterious woman named Haruka Haruhara. It's also known as Fooly Cooly or Furry Curry.
Mac:Oh, cool. Okay. Fooly Cooly.
EJ:Yeah. I've never watched this. I've heard of it. Yeah.
Deante:It's the
Jacci:It's very interesting. It's only 6 episodes. I'll get them
EJ:checked out.
Jacci:But it it's really great. It's weird. It's different. When I was a kid and I saw it, I was like, what is this? But I didn't understand it.
Jacci:Now that I'm older, I'm like, okay. So, like, I it's it's been on my watch list for a while because when I was a kid, I didn't understand it. So now I'm gonna watch it again. There's only 6 episodes. So Yeah.
Jacci:I figured, like, why not if this is one of the things that was, an inspiration for
Mac:For Chainsaw Man? Yeah.
Jacci:I forget his name. That's that's my interest.
EJ:So until we can get finally the next part of the g
Jacci:The gmodo.
Mac:Would you mind? Yeah.
Jacci:So that's that's kinda what I'm watching right now. It's hard because, like, sometimes we lose, interest in some of the animes we're watching. We wanna switch to a different one, and then we'll wanna go back. So, like, my current watch list is, like, 15 freaking anime right now, and I just keep bouncing.
Mac:Damn. You're only at 15? You're you're crushing it.
Jacci:I I'm not really keeping track, to be honest. I'm just
Mac:My Crunchyroll watch list is like, are you gonna start this now? I'm a get to it. You know?
Jacci:My actual watch list, yes, is way longer. I'm talking about I've already watched, like, 12 episodes, and there's, you know, 20 something left. And I and I stopped it, and I went and watched something else. So
Mac:Yeah. That's me.
Jacci:Well, I have to go back and watch slime. Like, I haven't watched the most recent episode or season of slime. So
Mac:Yeah. I'm going through that one, and and old buddy's a problem. And Yeah. You know, if Yeah. We we talked about that, man.
Mac:When you when you have a overpowered main character, like, if he is done right, it is one of the most, like, compelling things you just keep coming back to watch him. Like, what does he do next? You know?
Deante:Yeah. Rimuru tip is, baby, one of the greatest kings in anime. Hands down.
Mac:So, for mine, I'm a share the trailer while I talk because I I like visual shit. This one is called a a pari, a ronman. So, again, I'm, like, in my my whole steampunk thing. So, this is more of a western type steampunk. So, a, an eccentric inventor.
Jacci:But on the sound?
Mac:No. Because then TV Tokyo or whoever's gonna come and fucking rip us off of YouTube.
Jacci:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
EJ:What are you doing?
Deante:Yeah. The fucking un police.
Mac:The one with the red hair is the inventor, and this is the swordsman. So the inventor dude is just always out and about trying to do something, and the, the samurai guy is hired to kinda keep him in check. But, as he's trying to bring him back to Japan, they get stranded at sea and get rescued by an American vessel, come back to old timey Los Angeles steampunk type era. They have no money to get back to Japan, so what they do is enter a trans, country race, using steam powered vehicles. So he's trying to work it off.
Mac:He's gonna build this car. They enter this race, and there's different. The contestants in the race kinda make the the characters of the of the show. Right? So, they go on this adventure.
Mac:They come across a lot of these characters. Some of these dudes are, like, bad hombres to, quote a a a guy that's out there, but, it's a good time. Again, it's only, I think, about a little it might have been because I watched this a few years ago, probably about less than 20 episodes. If not, probably about 22. So it's
Jacci:it's crunchy. Out?
Mac:Yeah. It's out here. It's on Crunchyroll. I watched it when it was on a Oh. Animation.
Mac:So, yeah, it's over there on Crunchyroll now. Just check it out. It's a good time. Again, it's one of those where, I just came across it. It's like steampunk western.
Mac:I'll give this a look.
EJ:Alright.
Mac:Very, very well done. The the designs of the vehicles, the characters, again, a lot of this stuff is just almost reminds me of the probably before Jackie in in your time, but, like, the old, the wacky races where they had all the Hanna Barbera characters Yeah. Racing and stuff, and they all had their vehicles that kinda represented their characters. Yeah. 100%.
Mac:That's what it was. And But, he also kinda reminds me of a doctor Stone because, like, things will go wrong with his vehicle, and you're just like, oh, we're all stranded out here. But because his mind is so eccentric, he's like, we could do this, this, this, and this, and it'll, you know so,
EJ:That's crazy.
Mac:Yeah. That that's what I like about it. But, yeah, a pariah ramen is the, ramen. I hope I'm saying that right. I almost say ramen, and you think it's about noodles or something if you're just watching.
Jacci:I love ramen.
Mac:Ramen is
Deante:the shit.
Mac:But, yeah. So that's what, that's what the crew is recommending to you guys. If you guys have any that you wanna recommend for us to watch and store it in the comments, let us know, and, we'll be sure to give it us. I think it's time for us to create a a group page for the, for eat the cake so people can just jump in and add stuff to it because we just have the podcast page. I think it's time to open it up to the people so you guys can, speak up and let us know what you're watching.
Mac:But with all that being said, let us, return to our regularly scheduled program and, wrap up episode 8 of, eat the cake. Alright. So what does everybody got going on? I know, Deontay, you guys over at Saturday Night Nurse been busy. What's on the schedule, man?
Deante:Yes, sir. We got a Venom 3 review coming this weekend. So God bless our souls wherever Sony Pictures puts out in that damn theater this weekend. So, we will be
Mac:You guys sat through, Joker too. So
EJ:There you go. If you made it through that and
EJ:you're still breathing
Deante:Yeah. We should be okay through Venom 3. We we should be okay.
EJ:Yeah. I don't I don't care how bad Venom 3 is. From what I've seen what I've seen and heard, it's it's just no go there's no going
Mac:down the the the 2 I have no no desire. Yeah. No desire to watch that movie at all.
EJ:I wasn't a big fan of Joker, the first one.
Mac:I love the first one. Called it anything.
EJ:They could've called it, you know, Kenneth the crazy guy, and it would've been the same. I'm like, you put Joker on there to bring a lot of people in who are fans.
Mac:Yeah.
EJ:And it was just a you know, it was like a multiverse Joker. It's a totally different I'm like Yeah.
Jacci:Well, that's what I thought was the point of the second Joker is it's based off of some of the comics, where there is a timeline where Joker is, like, this type of Joker, and then he sing he sings a lot and he has a lot of songs in these stories, and that's what they base Joker 2 off of. I thought it
Mac:was horrible.
Jacci:So that's why that's why I think they went this at least when I was researching it because I was like, why is this a musical? And for and so, of course, people go back and forth, and they argue. Some people who have read the comics and huge fans of the comics and have read all the timelines, they're like, it's based off of this timeline. It makes sense. And other people are like, this is fucking dumb.
Jacci:And so everyone just clashes with it. Can't. I don't know. I haven't watched either of the movies. I haven't even tried it.
Jacci:It's one of those things where, like, when it comes out, I think we'll just watch it on the couch.
EJ:Yeah. The the acting for Joker is really good. The the the first one. Yes. The acting is excellent.
EJ:But, I mean, they could've named it anything, and it would've been a better movie. I mean, don't don't call it something. It's not really just to to pull in fans and I understand it could be a you know a spin off of or whatever, but I'm just like like right now. There's 3 jokers. I think is what their latest I I I've read on DC is that there's 3 different jokers.
EJ:They're all 3 different people and they're trying to make a 4th Joker and I'm like, okay.
Deante:I've already hit my joker fatigue. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm at my limit
EJ:how many jokers do we need like Batman who laughs the yeah Joker Joker like
Deante:I was done by the time they reached and Keegan as Joker. It's just like.
EJ:Yeah, I didn't really need that. Yeah. It's you they they they're really dropping off on all their other characters, and the the time spent on prep man and Superman, just it's killing it for DC. It really is. Anyway, sorry.
EJ:Soapbox.
Mac:So that's a, Jacob's film perspective, you said this Saturday.
Deante:Jacob's film perspective, we had an episode this past Tuesday on Terrify. Terrify franchise and that's actually doing pretty well right now. The reels are coming out. We'll have, like, a bunch dropping all the way up till Sunday.
Mac:Okay.
Deante:So you guys missed the episode. You're more than welcome to check the clips out or the episode. So we're talking a lot of shit about, the slasher film, bringing slasher back with fart the clown. So
EJ:Yep. Mhmm.
Mac:Yeah. And for the, Saturday Night Nerds, information, just check the description. You'll see their Facebook, their YouTube, and also, their merch joint that went live, I believe, couple weeks ago. So, make sure to support the Broski's. You guys still streaming?
Mac:I know, Will's been on Diablo. Yeah. You guys still doing the wars on Wednesdays when you can?
Deante:We got one more wars on Wednesday left. So I'm thinking next Wednesday will be our final wars on Wednesday, and then we're gonna jump straight into black ops 6 zombies.
Mac:Oh, yeah. That's this weekend. Finally
Deante:comes out. It it comes out tonight at midnight.
EJ:That's going back to the, the rounds. Right?
Mac:Yeah.
Deante:It's just going back to the rounds.
Jacci:And they and they removed the shields too.
Deante:I like what they did with modern warfare 3 zombies like that old school. I thought
EJ:it was a a step in the right direct I know a lot of people like the old school rounds, but, you had so much more invested in the new the newer one is is, like, more an open world. You've you felt the yeah. Yeah. I don't know. As as the storm's progressing and the zombies start building up, you feel that whole overwhelming effect instead of just being trapped in a small, you know so I I I liked it.
EJ:I enjoyed it a lot when I was when I tried it out. So
Deante:Yeah. God bless our souls for the for this this one that they're doing now with Black Ops 6.
Mac:So whew. Nice. Nice. EJ, well, I know you, are doctor awesome if you wanna put the hat on.
Deante:You
Mac:wanna tell him what's coming up as far as a fallen star for a Queens of Nerdom?
EJ:We're looking at probably November 2nd, as a fallen star's return. Heroes are now on that, looking at the, the end game. It's getting serious. People have come close to to not making
Mac:it much.
EJ:It it could be the, you know, might be burying some allies here, coming up, but, it's it's good. It's good. And then look for it November 2nd, and then, I think live on the Patreon for DFPN. Yep. And then, follow-up will be we'll be posting it.
EJ:So Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mac:Can't wait. Story is dope. You're doing a amazing job with that stuff. Thank you. Like, the way you think on your feet and just come up with stuff because you don't know what we're gonna say or what our actions are gonna be.
Mac:You're like, you're presented with this. What are you doing? Somebody's just like, it's time to fucking fight. You're like, well, okay. You're gonna be get ready to die then, and then somebody has to use some magical time magic to to fuck it.
Mac:I'm just like, bro.
EJ:Oh, man.
Mac:How about we sit and think about what we're doing, guys? Like, it's only 4
EJ:of us. Face magic
EJ:has been the key.
Mac:This is the only
EJ:not being 6 feet in the ground right now.
Mac:Yes. An army of holy knights, man. Let's chill out, bro. Like, it is.
EJ:I'm a I'm a pull
Deante:a sword on them. Like, what? EJ is kind of an icon when it comes to being a DM. Yeah. So he's pretty good at it.
EJ:I tried. But, it really a really a great story. I feel like most people who who put together a good story love love the interaction with the between the GM and really good player. Players who get into the role and kinda carry forward the story. I mean, if you if you could buy into it, then, it feeds into each other.
EJ:It's just like it's just like a well oiled machine. You know? It's getting rolling. If people buy into it and and and play that role, the story really starts to kick off. It's it's very enjoyable.
EJ:I mean, right now, I'm I'm excited to see where Dollyon and Machitus go with their with their goals. Seeing Mara rise up to the to the possible futures and and, you know, her her, her choices that are gonna decide whether or not things are night night forever night. We'll see. We'll see. Dedication.
Mac:100%. Alright. What you got going on, Jackie? Work. Jackie be working.
Mac:You know what? Here here's the thing. So we try to do this every other week. I don't know what the but 2 weeks from now, it'll be November. So spooky season will be over.
Mac:The season of of giving thanks. How about we give thanks by if I don't know if you're it's able to be done. If next time we reconvene, we try to talk about now here's my options. I'm thinking, like, we need to talk about our top 5 favorite anime or top 5 favorite openings. Which one would be easier?
Jacci:I feel like if you talk about openings, it'll inherently start talking about the anime.
EJ:Yeah. True. For sure. So
Mac:I guess, like, when you talk top 5 anime, you're thinking, like, you're encompassing the whole thing, opening music,
Jacci:all of the stuff. Well, not always. Sometimes alright. Go. Oh my god.
Jacci:Damn. I'm too loud for him.
Mac:Done with it.
Jacci:I I because it's in a lot of my top animes, I sometimes will, I'll separate the openings Uh-huh. Just because, like, I I don't think it's fair to the overall show and the story and the anime, like because I consider the manga to, like, be like, well, season 2's opening was fucking ass.
EJ:Yeah. Yeah.
Jacci:10. Like It's a my hero for me.
Mac:Like, outside of age 2, I'm just
Jacci:I agree. Like, my hero has been, like,
EJ:out of all what Your lucky story is good.
Jacci:Seven of their openings. Yeah. All 7 of their openings. Like, I think 3 of them were actually good.
Deante:Repeat worthy. Well, I mean,
EJ:do do you know of any animes that don't have great openings but are great animes?
Jacci:There's quite a few in my That's
EJ:why I keep it.
Jacci:I'm not gonna lie. I've I've had a couple where I'm like, this opening sucks, and so I skip it.
Mac:And there's been some where I'm just oh my god. There have been some that have had amazing openings, and the story is
Jacci:just not it. Like, Black Clover Black Clover
Mac:Black Clover has bangers, bro. Like like, the intro the openings for Black Clover, I'm just, like, lit. And then I sit down and try to watch the show.
EJ:So, I mean, if you do openings I
Jacci:hate it.
EJ:You can't do it. Some of these openings could score, you know, an anime a lot higher than
Jacci:it would. I I just know me. If we talk about the openings, I'm gonna inherently I might talk about the the anime. I think I can I think I might be able to, like, see strictly keep it? I think I could separate, but we gotta strictly talk about we can dabble a little bit about the anime, but I think we have to, like Alright.
Jacci:Stick with, like, the artist openings. I think that'd be an interesting thing to talk about, but how interested do you think the audience would be in, like, the j pop openings, though?
Deante:I mean, this is all about introducing this
Mac:is all about introducing people to to everything anime. So talking about the openings, putting people onto some of the bands. Because some of these bands, miss Green Apple, like you said, Eve, a lot of these people you'll hear on other anime in the few I guarantee you Eve will be on some more openings. We got, Lisa who's, who's on the, the new opening for a Shangri La Frontier Queen, another like, once I heard her voice, I was just like, mother. You know, I don't even be saying that.
Jacci:Shangri Shangri La Frontier.
Deante:The bangers.
Mac:Mhmm. Their openings, I'd be like, bro, if you're on my gym playlist, it's lit.
Deante:Yeah. Shangri La was, like, 3 for 3 right now.
Mac:They are. So like I I mean, openings? Let let's put the people onto some of these bands.
Jacci:Yeah. It's time
EJ:because it's become a big part.
Jacci:He said he said top 5. Right?
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Does that include the art as well or just the song?
Mac:The art is what this is what whatever the opening is. Yeah.
Jacci:Because I know some songs that are good, but then I'm like, what is going on with this?
EJ:Yeah. This sucks, but the music is it's all good. That music is fire, man. I'm not
Mac:feeling this. I'm not feeling this at
EJ:all. It shows blue.
Deante:I have to close my eyes every time I start the episode.
EJ:Just the music. Just the music. This anime is for the blind folks.
Mac:Should we
Jacci:should we collaborate to be like, hey. This is what I'm gonna bring so we don't bring the same ones, or should we We'll throw it in there. We can talk about different ones? Okay. Because I'm done with that.
Mac:Okay. Alright. It's a it sounds like a plan. So, shout out to Jen. November 2nd, I think, is 2 weeks from now.
Mac:So if that works for people if not, you know, we'll we'll always flex. We're able to do that. Flexibility is key to air power, all that good stuff. Don't don't have
Jacci:November 7th?
Mac:2nd. November 7th. Is it 7th? Yeah.
Jacci:Oh, can we do my dad's gonna be in town that week. Uh-huh. So
Mac:you let us know what works. You let us know what works.
Jacci:I could do the I could do 14th maybe.
Mac:That'll work.
Jacci:I don't know. We'll talk.
Mac:We'll talk. It'll give us more time to, to for me to
EJ:take my ring to get my coffee
Mac:on it. Stuff off. Yeah. It'd be like categories. You know, I gotta cross this off because you're gonna talk about it.
Mac:But yeah. Cool. Cool. Alright, ladies and gentlemen. You heard it here live.
Mac:Next episode, we're talking top 5 anime openings, our favorite ones. So, be ready to learn about, some of these new bands out here. I'll tell you right now. I gotta take at least one of the creepy nuts openings.
Jacci:I'm calling one of them. I was just thinking I'm calling
Mac:one of them. I'm I'm calling one of them.
EJ:You guys put me on
Jacci:to it
Mac:now. That's my jam
EJ:you know, that's my thing. So
Mac:Cool. Cool. Alright. So everybody who tuned in, everybody who's listening, again, we appreciate the support. Stand by.
Mac:We'll create the group page for everybody to jump in and and and communicate and and build a community over there. Unless, anybody else has any parting words for our our lovely listeners and watchers out there? Oh, damn. Jackie said she's gonna kill y'all. Yeah.
Mac:She She went like this. I know.
EJ:I was like,
Jacci:No. I went like this.
Mac:Oh.
Jacci:It means nothing.
EJ:Nothing. Is it? Period. It's a little lower. Period.
Mac:Yeah. Because you did this. Death or nothing? You were down here last time.
Jacci:No. I went like this.
Deante:2 and 4.
Jacci:It's too fast for you. You wear glasses. It was too fast for you.
Mac:And you don't? Destiny child.
Jacci:These are fake.
Mac:So are these. These are blue light glasses.
EJ:These are my
EJ:blue light glasses.
Mac:It. He's the only old man wearing them for real to see.
EJ:For vision. My blue light glasses too. I don't have glasses.
Mac:Oh, look at all of us taking care of our vision. I have 20 20 vision up in here,
Deante:not standing on vision. Yes.
Mac:Look at us taking care of
Deante:our vision.
EJ:I like it. Being very
Jacci:blind, tall, very Very demure. Very faint.
Deante:Yeah. Very blind.
Jacci:Very. Very blind.
Mac:It's for the style.
EJ:Wearing glasses that we don't need. That's what that's what it is.
Mac:But it is, like, people out there who need glasses in real life, and we're just like, we just
EJ:want to be a stylist. So we all can be wearing glasses we don't need.
Deante:Yeah. Exactly.
Mac:Alright. Hey. Thanks for tuning in episode 8 of eat the cake anime. We'll be checking in with you guys. Later on, we'll let you guys know.
Mac:But until then, you guys take care. Peace.