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Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general!
Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer.
John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine.
Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records.
Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world.
Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co
Unknown: I'll tell you a story,
and I can name a name, okay,
when I was at KDF, and y'all
know how, like when there's a
concert, what they would do is
assign us to take the winners
backstage, to meet the artists.
Oh, yeah. And I was, I was
assigned to Skid Row, and they
were brand new, probably what
around 18 in life that hit right
about that time, which, I think
what? They had two or three hits
at the time, but they were
pretty massive. And so I was
assigned to the listeners take
them backstage, and the
listeners are all excited, as
they would be, and I'm excited
for them I'd never met Skid Row,
so we're back there. And so as I
go to introduce them, Sebastian
Bach, the lead singer, I
introduce him to the artist, I
mean, to the to the winners,
they're like, standing there,
you know, all excited. And he
goes, Who the f are you? And
like, just screamed it at them
and at me, and and again, it's
like, I get my feelings hurt,
and so I'm trying to cover for
him and make sure that they
still meet him, but they're
like, crushed, but yeah, that
Sebastian Bach, I never, never
played another show.
In fact, we like seeing go to
Skid Row after that, after that
reaction.
What a jerk in front of in front
of listeners. I mean, come on,
yeah, well, he was. He would
have never remembered it. Let's
put it that way.
Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all
goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain, and
welcome back into circling the
drain. And of course, you have
the 3j me. Johnny Bozeman,
better known as Johnny B, to
some people, right next to me.
Jay Harper, I
know it feels weird being right
next to you. Johnny B, I know,
yeah, I'm always just gazing
lovingly into your eyes from
across the table. But for this
one, get to be right next to me?
Yes, we do, and right over there
brother Jim McCarthy, yes. Well,
you know, I decided we've had
too many you're just we needed
to seriously dilute the ugly in
this room, right? So we invited
somebody that has been big in
Nashville, number one
consistently with the rock
station I love wkdf. She was a
big fixture of that, but she's
not only done that. I can't even
go over everything this young
lady has done over the years,
because her resume would take up
the entire show. But joining us.
She's not in studio, and I don't
blame her. I don't know if I'd
hang out with us either, but
Shannon McCombs is with us.
Shannon, how are you doing?
Hey, I love that introduction.
Can you say that
one more time? I will anytime
you want.
No. Thank you. That was very
nice. Thank you. I'm doing well.
How are you guys doing?
Well, you know, any better, we'd
have to take medicine. We're
doing, I'm enjoying. We're rated
PG for pretty good.
You know, Shannon, you have,
you've made history. Here. You
are actually our first female
guest on circling podcast. So
yes, we,
I'm glad to be circling, yes.
Well, and the thing is, Shannon,
you know, a lot of people don't.
We always talk about our heroes
in radio. Shannon was definitely
one of my heroes, because when I
first moved to Nashville, I fell
in love with wkdf. It was a
great rock station. Had a great
morning man, Carl P Mayfield.
And then eventually this young
lady came into the picture. Was
that 90 was it 1985 when you
came on?
I did, actually, I believe it
was the very end of 85 is when I
moved to Nashville, because I
moved, I moved here on New
Year's Eve. Oh, wow, yeah, New
Year's Eve, I was my boyfriend
at the time. Helped me pack a
truck, and we borrowed a truck
from someone and and made two
two halls to move my stuff in to
Nashville. And you came from
Kentucky, right? I came from
Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky. From
Kentucky. Blue, Kentucky girl,
bluegrass, yeah, but yeah. When
you came on KDF, I was telling
these guys, man, you were, I
mean, you were so good, and you
were, you know, you were number
one consistently with the radio
station as far as ratings go.
And the thing I loved about you,
you weren't, you know, a lot of,
a lot of female rock DJs were
kind of rough, but you, you, I
mean, you just had a sweet voice
and a sweet disposition, but you
also had this rock edge to you,
which made you unique to me, and
that's why I loved listening to
you. You just, and I know I
germed you. To death at a party.
But thank you. Thank you for
saying all that. I think, you
know, when I came to Nashville,
it was maybe a lot of that was
just me being green, you know, I
moved, moved to Nashville, to
the big city, so to speak, and I
was around a lot of things and a
lot of substances that I had
never seen or known of and but,
you know, that was such a it was
a learning curve for me, you
know, yeah, to just, to just
live in the big city, really, I
was Mary Tyler Moore,
even through the year. Yeah.
So Shannon, did you come to
Nashville with a radio job in
hand? Or did you come here and
hope to find one?
I found one. Bill Pugh, did
y'all ever know Bill? Mr. Bill?
No other name. He did the show
the wax museum. He was the
program director at KDF at the
time, and there was a, there was
an opening. The overnight lady
that was working, Aaron, was
putting in her resignation. She
was or she was leaving the
station. And a friend of mine,
Steve Kraft, you may have known
him. He worked in radio in city
for a long time, he called me
and he said, there's gonna be an
opening at KDF. He said, If you
put your resume in, you could
probably get an get an interview
pretty quick. And I did,
reluctantly, because I was
trying to get into country
music. And so I did, and I got
it drove down here. I remember
the I remember the day I drove
down here all the construction,
and I was thinking, oh my gosh,
you know, I've wanted to live in
Nashville, but I was getting the
first hand experience of traffic
on the way down, you know,
coming from southern Kentucky.
But I got the job, I actually
took a cut in pay and took a
worse shift to move to Nashville
because I was programming a
station in Kentucky and making
very little money, so I moved to
Nashville and made less money,
and then worked overnights. I
didn't get all my weight
literally for the bottom.
Well, I think we all did that.
Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was told
regrets. I was told Yeah, same
here, because I was told by a
program director here, he said,
Yeah, you won't make very much
money here, because everybody
wants to live here, and most
people want to be artists. They
want to, you know, try to try to
get a record deal. So they'll do
any, any kind of work for any
kind of money. And I, yeah, I
got the same I got the same
spiel. But how long? How long
did you stay with because you
were with KDF until, like, what
90 I wanted? I'm trying to say
94 ish, yeah,
something like that. That was
the first time I got fired.
Fired from KDF twice. I believe
they did it. They did a staff
change and format change, and
they went started playing the
that's when the newer rock from,
I'm trying to think of like
Nirvana, that whole wave was
coming through, and they changed
formats. So we all kind of got
fired.
Well, you're not radio until you
do get fired.
That's right, I'm proud of it,
own it.
Well, you worked with a lot of
like Carl, P What was he like to
work with?
You know, loaded question.
You just catch him on a good
day, I guess, you know, and you
could have a good day with him,
yeah?
So I've heard I, I know a guy
that used to produce his show,
and because I used to love to
listen to Carl P It was a fun
show. But he said, Oh yeah. He
said he was he could be rough.
He could be rough, yeah.
They, oh, there's all kinds of
stories that people that worked
in that room with him, you know,
when I, when I went back to KDF
for country, yeah, it was Carl
that initially called me and
asked me to come back and, you
know, he and to do the midday
show. But you know, that all
kind of fell apart, you know, I
think Carl was going through a
lot of health issues at the gym,
and yeah, and it, it made it
hard on everybody around him,
yeah?
And you also worked with slats
too, did you not? Oh, man, yeah,
I love that. His show was great
too.
I just saw, I believe he retired
from radio just recently. Lucky
guy, I'm in touch with him.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't
know i Good. Good for him. If he
wants to retire exactly, I will
stay in it until I get pushed
out of it.
So well I got pushed out. So
that's why I'm doing this, and I
appreciate you coming on here
now you did go with with it.
With country but was that what
kind of pushed you to go into
what you're doing now? You're
doing more with country music
than you ever have really,
I am, and for a long time, up
until about a year ago, I was, I
was writing a lot of rock
stories that were going out for
morning show prep. And so I love
that. Yes, I, you know, love my
rock and roll, but now what I'm
doing is that I've been doing a
syndicated radio show for about
910, years now that goes out
weekly, and we're syndicated
through CDX. It was Dana
Williams, right? Well, Dana does
air the show. Yeah, for a while,
Dana and I were doing a live
show together, and then it got
to be where it was just hard to
get to him the time of day he
needed to record it, because,
you know, Diamond Rio had a, you
know, they're on the road a lot,
and I was always flying in there
at the by the seat of my pants
to do that. And then so I
started recording my my part,
and then got that syndicated.
But Dana still, he airs it. He
airs it in his show. It's a news
show
that I do, yeah, Shannon's
country news, yeah, yeah, that's
it.
And then I'm, I'm working on a
project I'm really excited
about. It's a Bill Anderson
documentary, Oh, yeah. And
they've hired me to do the
interviews for it. So and Bill,
everybody knows and loves bill,
so it's really Yes, yes. You
know he's been, he's been
writing songs for Wait, I added
this up since the 50s. Wow. He's
been, been on the been on the
radio since the 50s, and he is
still, like, we got a recording
session the other day of him,
not a recording session, but a
writing session. We shot a
writing session with him the
other day, and it's, he's just
constantly working. We
interviewed Billy Bob Thornton
back a couple of weeks ago for
it. I know I've never
interviewed him before, but he,
he is an interesting guy. Yes,
he is Bill Anderson.
Yes, he is also Billy Bob. A lot
of people don't know this, but
Billy Bob likes to sing and has
a band, yeah. And in fact, we
had, we had him on the Phil
Valentine show one time, and
they had this song that all it
said was, there's no whiskey
drinkers, something like that.
There's no whiskey drinkers in
heaven. I'm paraphrasing,
because I don't remember the
song, but that's all it said.
That was the only one that was
it. And we played and we played
it, and I was kind of doing it
as a joke, and they were really
turned on. We played that, they
said, Oh, man, that's our
favorite tune. I'm glad you guys
picked that. And I'm thinking,
Yeah, but I didn't pick it,
because
you never know what's gonna
happen when you bring somebody
in the studio.
Do you Well, that's the truth.
That's the truth, and Phil was
not supposed to ask him any Phil
was notorious for this. I don't
think you're notorious for this,
but Phil would always ask people
things that he was told not to
ask them.
I know you don't do that. Do you
well only because I want to work
with them again? Yeah, exactly,
because that will put you on
that list, and you never, you
never work with those people
again or nor the publicist.
That's right. That's right. In
fact, he did that to Linda
Ronstadt. He did, oh yes, Linda
Ronstadt put out this with me
before she came on. This was on
music radio. We were doing music
radio, but Phil was not supposed
to ask Linda Ronstadt about
Jerry Brown. And of course,
midway through the interview,
Phil goes, well, so how's Jerry
Brown?
Yeah, we got nicey,
but the last time you
interviewed her, right? Yeah, it
was, it was last time she came
on the show. But you also co
hosted. I thought this was
really cool that you co hosted
the red carpet Buddy Holly
birthday bash. And what year was
that?
Oh my gosh. Let me think
turn of the century, right
around there. Wow.
And, and somebody told me that
Paul McCarthy asked you to host.
This was that correct?
Yep, his. His people had asked
me to do it. They they told me
it was per his request. And I
don't know how that happened. I
was never told how that
happened, how he had seen me,
but, you know, I was doing a lot
of internet stuff early, early
on, yeah, and this was early
this was so early on for
Internet that we did a live it
was a live stream, or live on
the net. Was the company that
had approached me to do it, and
it was so early on that, I mean,
you had to have the best of the
best equipment to even see the
show. Oh, wow. You know, you
remember those days? Yes, I do,
yeah, when internet was great.
But it was really. Be a cool
event. I went to New York, and
it was in the the rose ballroom,
I believe. Is it what it was
called, and that's, I don't know
if Paul McCarthy still owns the
Buddy Holly publishing deal.
That's back when I think he
still does, does he? I think so.
He used to, he used to do a
Buddy Holly birthday bash every
year somewhere in the world, and
this one happened to be in New
York, and so my job was to
interview everybody coming in on
the red carpet. And then Paul
McCarthy was hosting, stage
hosting. And I never believe it
or not, I hosted with him like
they'd shoot me, and then they'd
shoot him, and then I would
pitch to him on stage, and he
would pitch to me back out in
the audience. But I never met
him, never officially was
introduced.
Bummer. Yeah, that's
makes you like John Lennon more.
We co hosted a show together.
I'd be like, at the I'd be in
the audience, and, you know, it
was real small room, real small
stage, and I'd, you know, I'd
toss it back to him, or he toss
it back to me. And, but we never
actually physically met,
although I was, I will tell you
this was strange. I'm sorry. Go
ahead.
No, no, I'm sorry. Please
continue.
No, I was just gonna say I it
was the only time I was ever
briefed on doing an interview on
how to approach an artist, and
the publicist sat me down before
the show and said he is to be
called Sir Paul McCarthy. This
was just right after he was
knighted, and he gave me a list
of questions not to ask like
you're talking about, yeah. And
then, since it was about Buddy
Holly, they didn't want to talk
about the Beatles. So they, they
wanted me to stay away from the
Beatles talk. Keep it all on
buddy which I understand,
because that's the event, and it
would have been a, you know, a
two minute interview to
celebrate Buddy Holly. And they
did not want the attention taken
off of Buddy Holly. Well, I can
understand that on the red
carpet, I understand
Who were some of the folks in
attendance that you did, in
fact, get to speak with.
Oh, it was, this is a long time
ago. I remember making a list
and keeping it somewhere the I
remember the one person that
impressed me the most was Betty
Holly's widow, and having a
chance to talk to her. But it
was a lot of pop stars. It was
every a lot of people that were
big pop stars at the time, that
were doing the carpet. I don't
even recall all the names, wow.
And you've also, I mean, like I
said, your career, I mean, it
just goes on and on. I mean,
you, you have worked heavily
with CMT, tnn, I mean, it just
goes on and on and
so you keep a job.
That's all of us. Shannon, but I
was gonna ask you, like, as far
as country artists go, what some
of the what were the more
interesting ones that you've
talked to that have stuck with
you as far as interviews go?
Right off the bat, I think of
Eddie Arnold.
Oh, what a gentleman. What a
gentleman. Yeah.
Oh, exactly. That's the best way
to describe him. Have you
interviewed him before?
Yeah, well, I had met the man
and chatted with him briefly.
And just what a warm, genuine
guy who acted like, you know, he
knew you Yeah. It was just, you
know, old school Nashville, just
a gentleman
and soft spoken
Yeah, just like he's saying,
yeah,
exactly you feel like, you know,
he could sing effortlessly, you
know, but I thought he was he
always used the word lovely, You
look lovely today. You know how
that accent. But I always
appreciated him when he'd come
into the studio. When I was at
XM Radio, we signed on the air
before the Hall of Fame open
downtown, and our studio was
inside the hall of fame. So
anytime the artists would come
visit the Hall of Fame artist,
they, a lot of them would drop
by the studio, and we had an
open door policy, you know,
they're in the studio. And once
they stopped in and saw that
nobody, you know was gonna, you
know, ask them all those
questions you were talking
about, they would stop, they
would continue to stop in. And
he was one of them, you know,
he'd be in this, he'd be in the
Hall of Fame. And you, you'd see
him outside the studio and like,
okay, Eddie Arnold's coming in.
So I love that we, the older
artist at the time, trying to
think who, who else would come
by. We had, well, actually, what
pops to mind was he wasn't the
older artist, but John Conley
would would come in and and
visit with us. I remember John
coming in one day and I was
literally underneath the board
fixing something toolbox.
Yeah, yeah, he could probably
relate to that. I mean, he's the
next radio guy, yeah, yeah.
He is, yeah. Well, you know, XM
was based out of DC, so we did
not have an engineer in town all
the time. So when something went
wrong, I usually was the one
that would call and say, Hey,
this is the problem we have. And
it got to be, I heard you guys
talking about crazy radio
stories. Oh yeah. I don't know
if it was the last episode or
not, but I thought, oh gosh,
this is one of my crazy radio
stories. XM bought me a tool
kit, and it was like, a huge
tool kit, because they knew I
would do it, yeah, I would
literally go under the board and
adjust things, or go upstairs
where the main equipment was,
and get us on the air, you know,
whatever you know, it wasn't
anything major, you know. And
I'd have, I'd take my phone and
a flashlight and call an
engineer in DC, and he would
talk me through something. And
that's it was just such a mess
when XM first one on the air,
because we were kind of the we
were an afterthought in
Nashville.
Well, until you kind of
introduced them to the Nashville
community. Did you not the
country music?
Yeah, that was partially my job,
yeah, to kind of convince, if
you remember back then, you
know, radio was so scared of XM,
of not knowing what it was going
to be, stations were turning
them down. I mean, artists were
turning them down because
stations were telling them, you
know,
that's competition. Yeah, you do
XM, you won't be doing our
Yeah, exactly player stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
I can picture Jen Jeffries doing
that.
It was, it was really, it was
really hard to begin with. Yeah,
it was really hard to begin
with, because, you know,
normally you would go through
promotions department, right,
right, to talk to the artist and
on radio. But I ended up getting
there. It was such a problem
that I started working with
publicist, and so going through
the publicist that I knew, and
they so they started doing XM
satellite radio. So I ended up
booking everybody through
publicist instead of promotions
people, and therefore we got the
artists that we needed.
Wow, yeah, smart way to go. And
you've, you've worked with
fanfare, which I guess now is
what CMA fest, but you've been
working with them for since 1990
what is some like? See, I've
never been a big fan of them,
changing always, like the name
fanfare. I don't know why. I I
just can't get my head around
CMA Music Fest. It just doesn't
have the same I don't, I guess,
homespun feel that I thought
fanfare did. And fanfare, yeah,
like, can you tell us some of
the interesting stories, maybe
from some fanfare days.
By the way I'm with you. I
always wish they had worked the
words fanfare into the new
title. Yeah, you know, I agree.
It just it, you know, if nothing
else, but for tradition, yes.
But yet, you know, over the
years, over I'm trying to think
it was the first, maybe the
first and second year that I was
at XM, we did shows during
fanfare. Well, I think one year
was fanfare, the next year was
CMA fest. That's about the time
it switched over, yeah, but we
did shows in the fourth theater
and and then we also did shows
Loretta Lynn let us borrow her
bucks, and we put this big sign
on it said XM satellite radio.
And we, we set up interviews on
the bus all day, when we one
day, we'd do the bus, and one
day, we do interviews inside of
the Ford theater. But what we
would do is overlap the
interviews so that the artist
would overlap, and so we would
coordinate it in a way that you
know, artists that didn't know
each other, possibly, you know,
maybe put an older artist with a
newer artist, and then they
would meet and they would talk
and whatever. But I remember one
of my favorites was we, we had
Charlie Lewin, which I loved.
He, he was in and we scheduled
on top of him, you know, like at
the end of his his time in the
beginning of it was a new artist
by the name of Dirk spentley,
and they had met, but they had
such a great time on the stage
and just just watching them. And
you know, Dirks. I don't know if
you know him or not, but he's,
he's such a he knows country
music, and he loves older
country music, and he was such a
fan of the Leuven brothers and
stuff. So we knew that, and
that's why we scheduled it, but
we did that sort of thing, which
was just a made for an awesome
fanfare,
very cool. You
have a question, well, you know,
in terms of the interviews and
the folks that you've worked
with over the years. I mean,
we've all had them the awkward
interview, where the awkward
Yeah, like, oh my gosh, you know
when you ask somebody to tell us
about so and so, when you get
the uh huh, yep, you know kind
of answer. I mean, do any
awkward interviews come to mind
other than this one? But this is
not
awkward. I
heard you guys talk about
people, people yelling at you in
the studio. I've had that happen
to me before in an interview,
and I'm trying to think which
one to tell you about. First I
was on the air one day at XM,
and I probably shouldn't say his
name, because we've, we've made
friends since then. But I was on
the air at XM, and if you were
in that studio, it was a small
studio, and we the equipment
half worked, you know, like I
was telling you, we had a lot of
equipment problems. And this
artist, songwriters, was there
really well known artist, lots
of hits, and we're doing the
interview, and he brings me in a
CD of something that hadn't been
played on the radio yet, not
popped it in the CD, which, by
the way, you guys will get this.
The CD player was back here.
Yeah, right. Did not start. Did
not start from the board. Yeah,
not remotely start it. Yeah,
right. To start it, I'd have to
roll back, pop it, and then roll
back in. Yes, this was XM
satellite radio. But so started
it and it's it started skipping,
and this artist jumped up on the
other side of the board, scared
the delivering daylights out of
me, slammed his hands on the, on
the on the table, and said, You
are making a fool out of me. And
I was petrified, because, first
of all, I'd never seen rage from
this, this person before. Wow.
And when, when he did, there
were, you know, there, that was
a showcase studio, so there,
there was a big window, and
people were watching, and
someone told the security guard,
the security guard came in to
check to make sure I was okay.
Wow, because, you know, there
was a security guard always on,
on hand there at the Hall of
Fame. But I immediately went
when the song ended. I ended the
interview. Good luck with
everything, and
we'll have the police escort you
out.
Was that actually on the air
that he did that when you guys
live?
Now that, well, that was, I was
live. His song was skipping
live, but, but him yelling at me
was not live, so
damn it, you should have hit the
mic.
Yeah, I was ready to. Here's the
thing, when that happens to me,
maybe I'm just so tender
hearted, but I immediately it
hurt my feelings, you know, like
I didn't know, some people might
stand up and yell back, but I
got my feelings hurt, plus I was
scared because he was bigger
than me, and I'm looking up at
him, you know, you know,
towering over me and
and he's yelling at me. So,
so was it the CD or the player?
I mean, if it was the player,
did you that's not your Did you
get it fixed? I mean,
you know, there were so many
there. We literally had so many
problems there. I assume it was
the CD player, you know. But you
know, things happen like that.
Y'all know that. Oh, yeah, you
mentioned not wanting to name
names, but who wasn't
I'll tell you a story, and I can
name a name, okay, when I was at
KDF, and y'all know how, like
when there's a concert, that
what they would do is assign us
to take the winners backstage,
to meet the artists. Oh yeah.
And I was, I was assigned to
Skid Row, and they were brand
new, probably, what around 18 in
life that hit right about that
time, which, I think what, they
had two or three hits at the
time, but they were pretty
massive. And so I was assigned
to the listeners take them
backstage, and the listeners are
all excited, as they would be,
and I'm excited for them. I'd
never met Skid Row, so we're
back there. And so as I go to
introduce them, Sebastian Bach,
the lead singer, I introduce him
to the artist, I mean, to the to
the winners, they're like,
standing there, you know, all
excited, and he goes, Who the f
are you? And like, just screamed
it at them and at me and and
again, it's like, I get my
feelings hurt, and so I'm trying
to cover for him and make sure
that they still meet him. But
they're like, crushed, but yeah,
that Sebastian Bach, I never,
never played another show.
In fact, we like seeing go to
Skid Row after that, after that
reaction.
What a jerk in front of in front
of listeners. I mean, come on,
yeah.
Well, he was, he would have
never. Remembered it. Let's put
it that way, but, but from what
I heard, he went around doing
that a lot, and I, you know,
didn't take long that they were
literally on skid row so, but I
think he did that to a lot of
radio stations, and people got
tired of it.
You would think the record reps,
you know, when I those would no
longer, yeah, would no longer
agree to bring, you know, look,
you don't want to send listeners
back backstage with this, with
this group. I'm surprised they
continue to let them do that.
Yeah?
Well, they probably stopped it
after a while. Yeah. Didn't you
ever have an experience like
that? Or did you, well,
I mean, no, I mean, all of the
artists that I, you know, work
with at MCA were, you know,
country artists that were pretty
gracious. And, you know, I
never, never really encountered
that. Now, in my radio days,
going backstage, I had a couple
of artists that you could tell,
you know, and I kind of got it,
you know, they're tired, and we
saw them after the show. They
just wanted to pack up and get
the heck out of there. I get it.
Randy Owen was that way. Just
really disinterested. You know,
Mark Herndon and Jeff Cook and
Teddy Gentry couldn't have been
any nicer, you know, for my, you
know, bringing listeners back
when I was in radio, yeah, but,
but, you know, being a record
rep, I had really good
experiences with just about all
my artists, you know, aside from
Lee Greenwood showing up in a
Speedo meeting, meeting artists
after a show that was, you know,
talk about awkward. That was a
little awkward.
That's a bad image. Yeah,
yeah, flip Yeah, flip flops and
a speedo backstage at the star.
Oh, gosh, it was in
Merrillville, Indiana, the star
something theater, but Star
Plaza theater, Maryville,
Indiana, yeah, no, man, I talked
about that on another podcast.
You know? Yeah, it was the Oak
Ridge Boys and Lee Greenwood
and, yeah, I met listeners
backstage, and Lee shows up in
with a towel and a speedo and
flip flops. Hey, how are you?
And, you know, the women in
particular, like, petrified, you
know, yeah, oh my god. So that,
you know that was, but Lee
couldn't have been any nicer. He
was a promotion guy's dream
other than that. But, you know,
he would call, he would call
anybody and everybody, you know,
hey, I could get your record on
if you would just call this. PD,
another man. He was like, What's
her number? You know, he was, he
was great.
Well, it seems like country
skill, though, didn't you go
ahead? Oh, you'll
go ahead. No, no, I had left MCA
before Vince got there, yeah,
yeah. Never got to work with
Vince.
He worked with Steve Earle. Now,
a lot, yeah, he worked with
Steve Earle.
That had to be interesting.
Yeah, Steve and I are still
pals, but, yeah. But you know,
you say you came to town in 85
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what
I got, yeah, that's when I got
here. Was it sometimes? Oh,
yeah, I remember tuning into,
you know, KDF, and there you
were. So absolutely, so, yeah,
we got here same time
I tried to get a job over at
WSM. I just didn't have the
experience for it. It was, it
was a daytime job that was open.
And what that's when I was, you
know, really trying to get into
Nashville. And I remember
walking through the studios, and
that's the first time I ever met
Kathy Martindale. I've told her
this story, but she was, she was
on the air. And, of course, you
know, in 85 there weren't many
women on the rate on the radio.
That's true, right, right. In
fact, I was turned down
different times from different
stations, saying, We don't put
women on the air during daytime
hours, unless you're doing news.
And so again, a different world.
I know a different world, but I
remember seeing Kathy
Martindale, she was doing
afternoons and and when I walked
by her studio thinking, it's
possible. Yeah, it's possible.
And that, to me, was like a
really light bulb moment in it.
You know, in today's 2025,
world, it might be hard for
somebody to understand who
didn't live through those years,
but it was my it's possible a
woman can work daytime hours on
the radio,
you know, at a big station.
Yeah, that was going to be one
of my questions. I mean, I'm
glad you brought it up. I mean,
did you run into that glass
ceiling as as a woman trying to
to make her way, especially in
male dominated Nashville, back
in our biz, radio, record
labels, etc,
it, you know? I think that was,
that was just the way it was at
the time, I didn't even, didn't
even know that you you could
force your way in, or, you know,
so to speak, I just knew that's
the way it was. And I kept, I
kept trying Do y'all remember
when, back when coyote McCleod
was on kicks, 104, yes, and then
Mary,
Mary Glen, yeah, yeah. In
fact, I was going to ask. Ask
you. I was going to ask you a
question about Mary Glenn
because, in fact, you can find
it on YouTube. But there was a
there was there was a time when
you were on KDF, and you were
talking about that it was so
good to be in the same building
as Mary Glenn Lasseter, yes. And
then some listener calls in and
said that Mary Glenn Lasseter
said, You know what the
difference is between KDF and
our station and the girls on
KDF? She said, teeth. And you
said, I think I'm gonna have to
go down the hall and talk to
Mary Glenn about this. Yeah, I
remember that. You know Mary
Glenn was, I still have her up
as a hero of, oh, she's great.
Yes, she is in but when she was
working mornings with with
Coyote, at the same time, Katie
Haas was doing overnights, and I
used to stay up and record
Katie, because that's the only
time I could hear women on the
radio out of Nashville. And so
I'd, you know, I'd listen to
coyote in the morning, but stay
up late night and listen to
Katie. But that's, that's
another, you know, I looked up
to both of them because they
were, they were in Nashville and
and able to get on the air. And,
you know, again, Katie had a
full show, but it wasn't
daytime,
no, and that. And I'm so glad
that things have changed,
because there are so many women.
You've named a lot of them that
I thought were just fantastic
broadcasters, like Mary Glenn
yourself. Kathy Martindale, did
you ever work with Diana Lynn?
Diana Lynn Bracey,
no, but I loved her, yeah.
And she worked with coyote at y1
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, you know,
Diana passed here a couple of
years ago. She was such a great
lady. Oh, I had a great voice,
yeah, yeah, Diana and I got to
be pretty good friends and Yeah.
Was just crushed when I heard
she had passed
me too. I, you know, I heard
that when I was at the Tennessee
Radio Hall of Fame dinner and
they announced her name, and I
was just crushed. I mean,
everybody at my table just, you
know, hands went to the heart
because we had no idea she I
didn't really, didn't know her,
but I loved listening to her,
because she would say whatever
was on her mind.
Oh yeah, trouble.
Well, she did that in real life
too, because she were, I worked
with her at at at WAC and, oh
yeah, she was, she, she was
saucy. Yeah, that's about the
best word I can use for she was
a great person.
She she would say, she would
just, she would just say,
whatever I love that about her.
Oh, me too. There's another one
on KDF too, that I really like
Patty Murray and and we lost her
too. What a great what a great
talent she was.
She was in a car accident not
long after she had left. KDF,
yeah, her and her family moved
to Florida, and I can't her
husband was in the car, but
survived, but I think she was
the only one in in their car
that that passed. Yeah, but
yeah, she was really something
else. I you know, she was one to
give advice. I remember. I
remember Patty telling me one of
the things always in our
remotes. They'd always give us
those KDF shirts to wear. This
is one of those things women of
today probably wouldn't
understand it back then there
was only one there was only one
size, and it was all for men,
right? They didn't make women T
shirts, so anything you put on,
you look like you're wearing a
tent. And they'd always give you
that it's large to wear out in
public, and Patty would never
wear them. And she, I remember
her telling me one day she goes,
don't wear them. You don't have
to. And they make they make you
look awful. Just don't wear
them. So it just like one of
those weird things to say. But,
you know, at the time, everybody
had to wear KDF shirts to
remotes, but she wasn't going to
do it.
Well, Phil wouldn't either. We
used to when we took the get
well card, it was an oversized
card to Amy Grant, and they
demanded that we all wear our
station shirts. We look like
pizza delivery boys.
And Phil refused, and
I thought, You mean I didn't
have to wear their shirt. He
said, No, man, don't. Don't wear
that stuff. But I got to ask
you, we're talking about
clothing. And somebody asked me
to ask you this, and I hope it
doesn't get me in trouble with
you, because we have a good
relationship. But somebody,
somebody asked me to ask you
about an interview with Travis
tritt, and it involved
underwear. Oh, I see the look on
the face, yeah, I may have run
that
was a long time ago there.
That's back when videos were so
big, yes, and it was something
about one of his videos. And the
producers, I believe, had asked
me to ask that, because they
thought I would. It. They
provoked me a little bit and
asked me what he was wearing
under the sheets. And he said,
nothing. In fact, I'm not
wearing underwear now.
Okay. Moving right along. Too
much information.
Yes, does make Lee Greenwood
look as bad,
exactly, sometimes producers
would give me things to say
because they they would, they
would know that. I would
probably go out there and say
it, yeah, probably more so now
than then. But then I just got
embarrassed. I'm sorry about
that. Leave it to me that was
for it, yeah, an old tnn show. I
remember that now.
Yeah, somebody asked me to ask
you that, so don't blame me.
Okay, okay, I appreciate No,
it's out there, so own it,
right? Yeah, you do. Hey, I will
be the first to tell you that I
have asked some pretty darn
stupid questions, but sometimes
you get some pretty cool
answers, yeah,
you do, right, and you get the
truth. Sometimes,
what? Which one comes to mind
off the top of your head. You
recall that stupid question,
because we've all done it. Oh,
yeah,
that, that one is a topper. Man,
they've had me. I remember them
suggesting I ask Aaron tip and
his measurements. And I did, and
he was great with it, because
that's back when he was really
working out. Yeah, the
bodybuilder, right? Yeah. And
he, you know, I guess you're
proud of your measurements. And
I mean, he was, he was ripped,
and I can't remember his
measurements now, but I just
remember the embarrassment of
those words coming out. It was
television.
So I want got to ask you this
too, because you are a cat
owner, and I know of one named
Cheeto. Is that right? Yeah,
they own me, yeah. And I know
sometimes they come in on
interviews and stuff. They're
not going to do that today,
only because the doors close. I
don't know if you've heard him,
but he's been talking at the
door.
Oh, has he really? He's going,
Hey, man, it's my time. How many
cats only maize? How many
cats there are three? There are
three. I meant to only have two,
but when my uncle passed away,
his cat did not have a home and
ended up in a shelter in
Nashville. And so I called the
family, and I said, Look, if you
will go get that kitty cat, I
will take care of her. So she's
been with me this whole time
too. So I have three.
So we got to love you for that,
for rescuing a cat. I love
people.
Hey, thank you all. My cats are
rescues,
yeah, so it's mine. I have 114
years now.
Yeah, really, yeah. So what's
the story? Did your cat come to
your door and say, let me in?
No, nothing like that. I had a
friend. This was in Columbia,
South Carolina, when I was
working there, had a friend who
had rescued a cat and from the
shelter and was told, Well, it's
part of a litter and they're
going to euthanize these cats,
if something you know, anyway, I
so once I heard that, down to
the shelter, I went and I
adopted the cat, and I've had
her ever since. So, like I say,
but for you 14 years now, but
I'm embarrassed. I named her a
name that I'm embarrassed to
admit I named her Peeta p i t a
because at the time, she was a
pain in the Yeah, yeah. And it
was a joke, okay, it was just a
joke, but it kind of stuck. But
she's, she's Tabby Siamese, so
she's, you know, pretty cat with
the blue eyes, you know, like
Siamese eyes. And everybody
thinks that she's named after
pita bread, you know, because
she's kind of brown. So I don't
really have to explain where the
name came from too often. But
anyway, yeah, she's a she's a
sweetheart.
Cats don't cats names don't
usually make sense. Cheetos name
is because he came to my house
with the name Cheeto, and I
thought he needs more than that.
And I thought of Willie Mays,
because I'm a baseball fan. He's
became. Do you remember those
the screaming cheetah willies?
Yeah, yeah. God, I hadn't
thought of
it kind of sounds like the
screaming cheetah willies. Oh,
yeah, Cheeto, Willie Mae, yeah,
there you go. Well, see, I'm
jealous of you guys because I
used to own cats, but I can't
anymore, because I have such a
horrible allergy to pet dander,
I can't have any pets. But I
used to have a black cat. I
loved him. His name was Angus. I
named him Angus because he was
black. So I know that's an
interesting story, and y'all
can't
an interesting story about
remember the restaurant Black
Angus? Yes, I do the but I
worked in Vegas, it had a big
sign on the side of the side of
the restaurant that would light
up at night, and people would
make a. Regular thing, I know
where you're going out of like
firing, firing BBs at the G.
I don't know this funny story,
completely different tangent,
but why not bring it up? Only in
Vegas,
that story didn't stay.
Oh, there you go. It's only in
Vegas. Yeah, I want to help you
out with that cat thing. John,
okay, I am, I am horribly
allergic to cats. Are you
really? I take out I am, I take
allergy medication.
We'll see I do too, but it
doesn't, it
wouldn't help, right? No, just
had to throw that in there.
I'm a bad one. Yeah, that's what
a lot of people can't
understand, because the people
get so upset with me, if I you
know, because it, what it does,
it sends me to the basically
emergency rooms. I can't so it's
like anaphylaxis, everything,
everything closes up. I can't
breathe.
It's not good. Have you tried
flow days? Yeah,
nothing, really does. Some
people have suggested allergy
shots, but those are too much.
So I just choose to, we have a
lot of wildlife around the
house, so that's what I choose
to that's our pets, the deer.
And from what I hear about you,
John, there's a lot of wildlife
in your house.
Well, we won't go there, and I
don't wear Speedos.
I do wear underwear
now too. You used to work with
kicks Brooks, who I love. We got
to work with him when I am we
worked with cumulus over there,
and he did the countdown show
over there too. But I know you
worked on that show as well.
I did. I love kicks, and I have
told him this over and over, the
best boss I've ever had. I
produced his syndicated
countdown and they were changing
producers, and he had asked me
to come in, or it was someone
within his company did, because
I'd only known at that point,
kicks through interviews and up
until then, but I produced it,
and then we had worked together
a couple of weeks. And I said,
you know, he needs to be writing
this show with me, because I was
producing and writing, because
it was him. Anyway, it was his
words. I know what I'd write.
But so he ended up CO writing
the show. I basically would get
the ideas of what he wanted to
talk about, and then I would
write it all up, and we would
record it every week. That was,
that was a really good
experience working with him.
Oh, I bet he's such a great guy,
and I got to tell you this
story, but he is he, when he was
doing it at cumulus, he was
setting up the studio, and they
had to, he wanted to bring in
this couch. It was like a
leopard covered. I called it the
ginger Lynn couch. That's,
that's, but it is really body
couch. Yeah, you remember that?
So they had to take out a
window. I know what you're gonna
say, yeah, yeah. They had to
take out a window and spend all
this money and bring it into his
studio. I thought that was, I
thought, man, to have power like
that. I want that.
It'll happen.
That's when I believe that show.
There you go. I believe that
show was ABC. Then, yes, they
were. They really, they had a
lot of money back then. It
seemed like they were throwing
it around pretty good.
Yeah, they were. They even when
they moved the show out to to
the KDF studios, I guess where
those are at, they built him a
basketball court. It was NBA
style, and I think he only
played on it once for a photo
op. Did not know that.
Yeah, hearing about that, yeah,
yeah. I think we talked about
that on
the show, yeah. But even when I
was working in the business, I
heard about that.
Yeah, interesting. You know
what? Knowing knowing kicks, he
probably did that so that
everybody would have a
basketball court at the radio
station. That'd be cool. He
would do those sort of things.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Yeah, I used to work out of that
same building that with you.
Did you really?
I did not know this.
That's, that's where we did the
did kicks a show when I worked
with him,
and we never crossed paths.
No, you, we would be in there
different times recording you
y'all were gone.
Oh yeah. Well, you're probably
better off.
Well, I feel bad too, because I
I really got to truly meet
Shannon at the lovely gal named
Deborah Evans price, it was at
her house. She has these writer
jam sessions and stuff, and
Shannon happened to be there,
and I wore Shannon out. I felt
bad afterward because I just
talked her ear off because, you
know, you don't get to meet one
of your radio heroes.
And no, you didn't. I felt like
it was like back and forth. We
were we had lots of radio
stories. To share?
Yes, we did. I wish we could
share them here. But you know,
we want to keep friends, don't
we have
any questions for us by chance?
I mean, we're right here for
you.
Actually, we'll go right ahead.
It's your
chance ask us anything. If you
guys have talked about this in
your shows, and I've missed it,
I'm sorry. But with with all
these radio people right here,
all four of us tell me you have
the radio dreams that I have.
Oh, absolutely nightmares.
Absolutely yes. Everybody has
those. If you've been in radio
any amount of time at all, yeah,
sures well for me, different.
Well, for me, it is the panic
Dream like, you know, I started
in 1978 in high school. So we're
talking, you know, turntables,
cart machines, etc, reel to
reels. You know, razor blades
and wax. You know, grease
pencils. But the panic dream
where the record is running out,
I can't find another record to
put on the cart. Machine has
gone crazy, and there's tape
everywhere. And it's just,
there's
put another cotton ball on a
pencil.
That's right, there's dead air,
and the hotline is ringing. And
it's just, it's a total panic
dream, because I can't, there's
dead air, and it just, oh, it,
you know, wake up in a cold
sweat. That's, that's my radio
panic dream.
I guess mine was similar Mine
would be.
Recently, I've had Phil
Valentine in my dreams a lot
lately, and in one it was
bizarre, because he was supposed
to be doing the show, and he he
said, I can't do the show.
You're gonna have to do it. And
I didn't have anything prepared.
And I'm thinking, What a dream.
What am I gonna talk about? And
I was panicking. And on top of
that, for some reason I was in
my underwear. Seriously, I know
we've been talking about
underwear here, but it was like
and where are my clothes? You
know,
super talk TV, man, I gotta have
clothes on.
Well, thank God. Cameras make
everything look bigger. Anyway,
what about you,
Jim, I think my nightmare would
be being back in radio,
podcasting. This is what keeps
my appetite wetted. I'm good
with this so,
so what are some of your
nightmares? Shannon, as far as
radio,
they're real, really, very
similar, but that the one I have
have more often and same with
you like I started out in with
the the tapes and the records.
And even though we've gone
digital and we went to CDs a
long time ago, those are never,
in my dreams, never, there's
never anything digital, and it's
always in a large room, yes. And
these, the console is back in
the corner of what looks like a
warehouse, and it's dark all
around me. And so when I, when I
do run out of albums or records
or music, and I go out to look
for it somewhere else, I can't
see to find it. Yeah, yeah. I
know it's in a room. I can't I
can't find it. I know it's over
there somewhere, but I'll pull
something, even if I pull
something out, I can't read it
because it's dark. And if, if I
drag it into the light to play
it on the on the air, what I run
into there is, like, we don't
play this, you know, it'll be a
different format of music. So
sometimes I find the music to
play, but it's not what we play
on that station,
then you wake up and you're
like, Thank God I'm away,
yeah, thank God that wasn't
real, yeah. So why do you I
mean, there has to be some deep,
dark psychological reason that,
you know, everybody I talked in
radio has these similar types of
dreams. You know,
I wonder about that, because do
other industries have the same
type of, you know, nightmares
that are so similar, oh gosh,
you know, I don't think they do,
because my wife never has said,
you know, about having, you
know, nightmares about stuff at
work.
I don't know. Boy, oh gosh, the
cash register had no money in
it, and I couldn't find any
change, and the credit card
machine didn't work. Yeah, I
don't hear stories like that.
You know,
we're just damaged people.
Maybe we've all had program
directors yell at it.
Oh, no, not program directors.
No, I've never had anyone scream
at me ever do you have any other
questions you'd like to ask us?
We're kind of putting it back on
you now.
You know I can sit here and ask
y'all questions all day. I'd
like to know who y'all have
interviewed, who you thought was
the best interview you ever did?
Wow, I'll go with you. Jay,
oh, gosh, probably the best.
Radio interview I ever had was
Dan seals. Really, I love him.
Oh gosh, he was, he was such a
down to earth, you know, Texas
guy, and I got to interview him
on air, and he was almost, I
won't you know, he was proud of
the England Dan John Ford Coley
days, but in a way, he was kind
of embarrassed by because he
said that was not him, you know,
raised on a Texas ranch and was
always a country guy, but just
yeah, just so friendly and down
to earth. And it just broke my
heart. You know, when he passed
away. I think he was 60 years of
age, you know, and but, yeah,
there's some really, really
great memories interviewing dan.
He had such a light about him.
He was a very spiritual guy, I
would assume, just in the way he
talked. I did like him, yeah,
John,
I think, I think, and it was
with this podcast, I think my
favorite person to interview was
actually Reggie ham, yeah, I
enjoyed, I for one thing, I and
you just said, you know, like
with Dan seals, very spiritual
guy. I got that from, from from
Reggie as well. Reggie is just
the kind of person that I
really, you know, he's not a
superstar, but he should be, and
he's a great talent.
I was, I was trying to figure
out how to equate him the other
day because he asked me to put
his Patreon fundraiser
Kickstarter yes and I wanted to
say that he was akin to a modern
day Mark Twain, but I don't know
if that was the right
comparison. Yeah, he's more of a
modern day like American
philosopher, you know what I
mean. And I think one of the
most, one of the most prolific
songwriters we've ever had in
quite a long time. Yeah, he just
doesn't. He needs, you know,
more credit for it. Yeah, he
does. He does. And I guess
another that people would know
was, and it really was a great
interview, but it was Tanya
Roberts, you she was the last
Charlie's Angel, yeah? But we
actually had a good interview,
and plus, I kind of had a crush
on her at the time. How could
you know
she read Sonia?
Yes, yeah, she was, yeah, oh, I
remember.
See how was, I guess, the
question goes to me, what's I
mean? Shannon McCombs, of
course, well, yeah,
easy answer on one of my
podcasts
wasn't in the room. There you
go.
One of the podcasts I produced,
we interviewed one of the most
influential drummers in my life,
Charlie Benante, who played with
anthrax. He's played with
Pantera. He's played with all
sorts of bands throughout I was
a big metal guy growing up, but
he was very influential on my
playing. And of course, I made a
fool out of myself at some
point, when you were talking in
the previous episode we
recorded, you mentioned your
mother's very Italian last name,
and I said, Oh my gosh, it's so
Irish. And I did that on the on
the podcast, and it was met with
utter crickets. He's like, such
a great Irish last name. He
literally, it was a zoom
interview, and he literally
looked at the camera like,
really, yeah, I'm Italian. I'm
going, Yeah, I'm just gonna go
back into my ashtray. I'll be
about that big. But he didn't
appreciate your sense of humor.
I don't think, I don't think I
delivered it right, so I blame
myself the whole time.
I will tell you one that I
forgot about was Penn Jillette.
Penn and Teller, yeah, I
interviewed him on W, L, A, C,
and we just really hit it off.
He's a cool dude. Yeah, he was
very cool. I really enjoyed him.
But you had the best interview
of all the guy that killed Bin
Laden.
Well, yeah, I mean the
ROB O'Neill, yeah, yep, yep.
Where do you go after that?
Yeah, talking about a mic drop,
a resume.
Did he tell you details what?
What was, what do you ask that
guy?
Well, it was a, it was a client
of mine. They interviewed him,
but, I mean, I was able to be a
part of it and listen to it.
But, I mean, yeah, he tells the
whole story about how they went
in. It's well documented, but a
lot of insight and wisdom came
out of that, that podcast, even
the way he talked about becoming
a Navy SEAL. And he says, you
know, even though it's displayed
in the movies, how it's like,
this really insurmountable
thing, he's like, You got to
remember, people still are Navy
SEALs, even though the bell is
right there, and you can ring
it. He says, if you're gonna
quit, quit tomorrow. And I was
like, Oh my gosh, that is a
great piece of wisdom. Yeah, you
know, my God. It's like, like,
that's a that's a song, Yeah,
tomorrow, which I have actually
already written on AI. So don't
even think about
this. Sit down. I was gonna
write
it. Shannon,
this dangerous thing about
Nashville, you have to be
careful what you say.
I've got a well documented I've
already talked about I've got
claim.
How is it? We all ended up in
Nashville, and we're not writing
songs that are getting big hits.
Yeah, I don't understand. And
when you came to town, where did
you want to do that? Was that
part of
No, no, it's just never been
something I wanted to do. Wow.
So you're about the only one
that's ever been in I might be,
I think you are, because I
nearly everybody I've met in
radio, they've all wanted to be
an artist of some kind?
No, it's like, I tell everybody,
not me,
I'm completely musically
untalented, but I love listening
to it so well,
that's the thing I love about
you. You, you love music. It's
very obvious, because, you know,
there's not many people that can
interview Motley Crue in the
same day, and then a few hours
later, interview Randy Travis.
But this young lady can do it,
and Plus she's in there stuff.
She's in the Tennessee Radio
Hall of Fame, of course, which
she should be, and that was in
2021 and I'm glad you're there,
because you are one of my
heroes. You always have been.
Well, thank you. I have been
told that you were one of the
people that nominated me.
Really, Yes you were. I went,
Yes I was. I have
absolutely nothing to do with
if you did, I thank you.
Well, you know, meeting me,
Okay, I'll go with that. Okay,
yeah, thank you, but I wanted
you in there. I wanted you Thank
you. But yeah, you are, you
know, there have been a lot of
women that have been my heroes
in radio, but you are number
one. And I mean that because,
you know, I love Kathy
Martindale. I love Mary Glenn
Lassiter. There's so many others
that I love, that are great,
that are women, but you were
always number one with me,
because you rock and roll, but
you also country better than
anybody, so you make my day.
Thank you. Now, where can people
check you out? Find out more
about you?
Well, I'm on Facebook, so that's
probably the best, best shot.
And you also have a, I also have
a I have a website, yes, Shannon
McCombs, calm, I think Facebook
and that site is probably the
best way. I also use Twitter,
but Instagram very little. But I
try to post some of the
interviews I do on Facebook.
Can't post them all, but every
once you know, I post one, every
once in a while that I do
well, I loved your throwback
picture of you and Bobby
Braddock, Halloween. That was
Halloween. I love that that you
talk about one of my favorite
songwriters. Oh, he was
fantastic.
Isn't he amazing? He is amazing
if y'all haven't, if y'all
haven't seen it. A few years
ago, we went to a Halloween
party together in the Halloween
party is always it's a theme,
you know, to come dressed up as
an artist, country. Artist,
country. You know, I thought,
why not do a song? So I told ASK
BOB if he would do it. And he
said, Yes. So we dressed up. I'm
a widow, and he's a dead man. So
we went as he stopped loving her
today. Yeah.
Well, Glenna sends her love to
you, and I send my love to you,
as we all do, and we really
appreciate you being on with us,
on circling the drain.
Shannon, oh, thank you. Thanks
for asking me, and you tell
Glenna, I said, Hello, love her
to death. I sure will. Thanks
for asking me to be on here, and
I still think that you need to
get that new song as your theme
song, circling the drain.
Oh yeah, definitely. There's a
new song out. Oh, really,
circling the drain. Yes, so
we'll probably have to check
into that definitely. But thanks
again. It was sweet to have you,
and I appreciate you doing this
with us. Thank you. Thank you
all. I love you. We love you
too. And join us again on
circling the drain. You.