Dr. Ladapo on the Cost of Telling the Truth in a World of Lies

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Join me for a conversation with Florida Surgeon General, Dr. Joseph Ladapo.

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Seth Holehouse: 00:01

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So today, I'll be speaking with a guest that has been fearless in getting the message out there and using his position, the power that he has to really do something really good, especially as it relates to exposing the vaccine, exposing what's happening with the pandemic, exposing the fact that masks don't work. And so joining me is the surgeon general of Florida, doctor Joseph Lapato, we're gonna be talking about what it's been like for him, what his journey of coming to understand what was really happening during the pandemic, and how he overcame his own fear to really do what was right, and also how you can overcome your fear. He's got some advice on that for you as well.

Seth Holehouse: 00:45

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Seth Holehouse: 01:06

All right, folks. Let's go ahead and dive into this interview. All right. So Doctor. Ladipo, thank you so much for joining me today.

Seth Holehouse: 01:13

It is a pleasure to have you on the show.

Speaker 2: 01:16

Hey, thank you very much. Really happy to be here with you and your listeners today.

Seth Holehouse: 01:21

Absolutely. So as the, I guess most people in the nation that have an inkling or some gut feeling that something is wrong with the government or the medical system, look to Florida as the example of what a state should be doing. And obviously, Ron DeSantis is doing an amazing job down there. But as the state Surgeon General in Florida, you've been, I would say, the only person in that position across all the states that I feel like is actually being honest about what you're seeing with the rollout of the vaccine and some of the potential side effects and the harm of it. You you were on Sean Hannity recently talking about that, which is a very good interview.

Seth Holehouse: 02:03

So I guess the first question I have is, why do you think you're the only person in your position that's speaking publicly like this? Why is everyone else is it that you have access to different data? Like, why why aren't other people that have the influence that you do using their voice for truth?

Speaker 2: 02:27

Yes, that's a great question. And the short answer is I don't know for sure. And I actually do talk about this in my book, but I know that one component is the indoctrination surrounding vaccines in the public health and medical community. That's definitely one component of it. It's not the only thing.

Speaker 2: 02:53

Because even there are some people who are hook, line, and sinker, completely sunk and drunk on the indoctrination. But there are other people that are seeing that if things aren't quite adding up, so their belief systems that they came into the pandemic with, and I say this without judgment because I was one of those people, for example, but I say without judgment, but I want you to know that I say it without judgment because I was one of those people. Many people, most people in the health community really do receive an indoctrination around vaccines. They're always good. The people who don't use them are bad people, that they are just the best thing ever done in medical science.

Speaker 2: 03:53

And it's fine for people to believe that, but the problem is that there's the reason that so many people believe it is because we are literally indoctrinated to believe that in medical school and in schools of public health. I myself totally believe all of that. And it really took some experiences during the pandemic to shake me of some of my beliefs. And I'm not even 100% rid of them. I mean, that's the power of indoctrination.

Speaker 2: 04:28

But I'm fortunate that I at least can recognize when I'm falling into a pattern of behavior that is consistent with indoctrination rather than consistent with reality, like whatever actually has happened. So that's definitely a big piece of it. You know, and I mean, that's probably the biggest piece of it in terms of why others haven't been more vocal. And then there are other things. And I think that the attention, the type of attention that I get is not always flattering.

Speaker 2: 05:04

Most people don't want that. They don't want to have to deal with it. They want to have to deal with feelings that might come up for them if they were to receive if people were to say bad things about them or that kind of thing. So I think there are a few things going on, but we're doing something really important in being vocal, as is every doctor out there who is vocal about the safety issues. There are definitely risks with these mRNA COVID-nineteen vaccines unlike any other vaccines have ever been widely used in The United States.

Speaker 2: 05:41

And it's really important. Mean, we're only at the beginning. There's much more to discover and much more to understand.

Seth Holehouse: 05:49

So you mentioned that, it's good, it's funny because, you know, I also I went to liberal arts school, and I had certain beliefs about the world, then those beliefs kind of hit the wall at certain points in my life when I realized like, oh, the world is not how I think it is. And the world is not how, you know, my teachers at school or, you know, the people surrounding were trying to form me into thinking it was. And I can imagine that, you know, going into the medical school, I mean, you're really just trying to get through and to pass everything and to kind of get to your career stage. And so you're probably, I would imagine, not going through and second guessing or cross referencing what your teachers are saying. It's really just whatever the professors are saying, that's it.

Seth Holehouse: 06:32

And so and for you, though, you mentioned there's a few moments during the pandemic that really shook that foundation for you. And so what was what would you say is one of the biggest moments or, you know, events that made you look at the COVID pandemic or the vaccines and say, something isn't right here?

Speaker 2: 06:54

Yeah. Well, I think it started early with how scientists were saying things that were really unscientific. So early on, you think about how basically the existence of natural immunity or even the possibility of natural immunity was denied or overlooked to the insistence on masks being some super effective public health behavior when numerous randomized clinical trials had basically found no benefit or small benefit and were in one case harms. So there was a randomized clinical trial done in Thailand among healthcare workers. I believe it was Thailand that was published in the British Medical Journal that actually found harm associated with cloth mask wearing.

Speaker 2: 07:50

So that really was a shaking experience to me that people, like literally the facts are in front of you and you pretend they aren't there or you ignore them when they don't agree with something that you're pushing. I think those were all early moments of pushing the mask on the children. I mean, that was just crazy, you know, completely antithetical to their nature and their behavior and their risks, you know, and not to mention the fact that the evidence didn't support it. So all of those things totally shook my faith in what my medical community was doing, like, and why they were doing it, and what the heck was going on, and whether they we really could be trusted.

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Seth Holehouse: 11:01

Again, that's [phone] The phone number and the link are also in the show description. As you became more vocal about this, I also saw you doing some research. You know, there's all kinds of hit pieces and, you know, whether it's from the University of Florida or people coming out and saying, you know, there's really the media hasn't been kind to you, at least the the untruthful media, because you're not following and telling their line. So was there any point that you were worried about your career in this? Or was it that you knew that, hey, this is DeSantis and his perspective, and you felt like you had he had your back and that you needed to do what you're going to do?

Seth Holehouse: 11:45

Or what was that like for you?

Speaker 2: 11:49

Right, right. Yeah, seriously. So if you the media has not been kind. So if you only read articles, you wouldn't believe that I'm a doctor, went to medical school at Harvard, got a PhD while I was in medical school. I was a tenured professor at UCLA at a relatively early age.

Speaker 2: 12:07

I was tenured during the pandemic actually. So, and I was at UCLA before I moved to Florida and became a professor at the University of Florida. So it was interesting because, and I described some of the details in my book, but I quickly went from being a very well liked faculty member at UCLA in the Department of Medicine who had, I had, I think up to, I had four NIH grants when I left UCLA. And I published widely, including in Journal of the American Medical Association and other journals, I'm still working on research and publishing. I went from being a well liked, well regarded faculty member to someone who was some kind of outcast or some other type of person.

Speaker 2: 13:06

And I had a lot of protection from the fact that I was doing well academically. So it was, as I said, I have four NIH grants. So it was, I mean, what are you going to tell him that he's spending too much time doing the other stuff and not doing research? Well, the guy's got a lot of publications and a lot of grants. They didn't have that.

Speaker 2: 13:29

And if they hadn't had that as an arrow, they definitely would have used it, but they didn't have that because that wasn't something that they could send my way. So, you know, it was uncomfortable. Like they couldn't force me to be quiet. I personally, just between my wife and I and our commitment to just being honest and truthful, too much integrity to not say things are wrong when they're wrong. And so we were in an uncomfortable relationship.

Speaker 2: 14:05

And I think that for me, it's interesting because one of the things early on, especially now there are a lot more people who are awake and aware of the dishonesty that so many Americans have been subjected to. But early in the beginning there weren't many people at all. And so there was a lot of uncertainty for us about what the ramifications would be of our, you know, I was writing Wall Street Journal articles, my wife and I were talking about all sorts of ideas. Many of those ideas would end up in the pages of the Wall Street Journal. And we had a lot of uncertainty, we, you know, we decided early on that, you know, one day we're going to look back at this and we want our kids to know that we did the right thing and that we stood up for what was right and we don't know how it's going to shake out, but doing the right thing is what we should do and definitely what I want our kids to know we did when it counted.

Seth Holehouse: 15:09

Yeah. It's if you look at what's happening right now in our society, I mean, it's you you hear a lot of people that look back at, you know, Nazi Germany, and they said, I would never have been the person like, I would have been the person that was hiding the Jews. You know, that seems like almost everyone will tell you that. But if you look back into that time, and I've, you know, read up on Joost Merloo, for instance, who's who's studied how good people turn evil. You look at the the Milgram experiment, the the prison experiment.

Seth Holehouse: 15:41

You look at a lot of this and you see that, well, actually, there's a lot of people that in this situation, you know, a lot of average, like, probably good natured people ended up being the Nazi prison guards or ended up turning in their neighbors because, I think in a lot of ways, because fear was a tool that was used and they, you know, fear kind of kept them in that corner. But also, I think for a lot of people, though, they just didn't have that courage. And that's that's important that you highlight that, that you mentioned integrity, but you also mentioned that you want to be able to look to your children and say, I did the right thing. And I feel like if you look at everything happening in our society right now, whether it's the the drag queen story hour or yelling at your mask your your neighbor for not wearing a mask, whatever it is, I think that there's it's almost like, like, at this time in history, God's looking at us. And it's like, doesn't matter everything we used to say.

Seth Holehouse: 16:32

It's now our actions are really showing where we're at. And there's an opportunity now to, like, do what's right, or just to go along with what's, you know, what's comfortable and what's safe, but I think at the betrayal of your own conscience. And so I think it's it's it's commendable that that was your perspective. That's what gave you the ability to really become as outspoken as you've been.

Speaker 2: 16:57

Thanks, man. And I hear you. I mean, it's such an interesting thing, because you're right. So many horrific things have happened. Men have done so many horrific, horrific things to other men.

Speaker 2: 17:10

And whether it's, you know, whether it's slavery or the Holocaust or whatever, you know, other just terrible things that people have done to one another. Yes, you know, I do wish that people made different choices, but, you know, I think that it's good not to judge so much the people. I think for two reasons, and that's actually not quite right. It's good to, go for understanding rather than judgment because really understanding is where the value is. The judgment, I mean, God knows, like are people on the face of the earth so different than they were a few hundred years?

Speaker 2: 17:59

Of course not. It's not that people are different, you know, it's, I mean, look at how people treated their colleagues because they had different opinions over the last two and a half years. It's not, it's, so I think, you know, why is it that people sometimes choose to do something that with time and distance they would look back at or with reflection they would look back at and just recognize was wrong, was like morally wrong. That was the wrong side to be on. And so I think seeking, like that's where the value is, is understanding why those things happen.

Speaker 2: 18:46

The judgment and I get bitterness, I get anger, I get revenge and all that, I get why people would want to do that, but the judgment is not where the value is. The value is in is in understanding.

Seth Holehouse: 19:02

Yeah. That's a good point. No. Because especially for the people that that feel like they've seen through the lies, they've seen through the propaganda, and they're witnessing friends, family, or other people that are still stuck within it, it's really easy to feel like we're better, to feel like, oh, we're the ones that got that red pill. We're the ones that are awake.

Seth Holehouse: 19:27

And all these sheep and I hate seeing that too when people talk about the sheep as the people that are still sleeping almost as it's this it's really casting judgment. And I look at it it's like, well, like, I was one of them fifteen years ago or however long ago. It's like we're we're living in a in an air the mass media and and now, you know, we can see the level that the FBI and the CIA have had in shaping the public thought that people are being really hypnotized and brainwashed by highly professional skilled people. So think it's important to have a little bit of compassion and just try to say, okay, well, how how can I help you come out of this slumber? So there's one one question that I have that I really would would love to get your opinion on.

Seth Holehouse: 20:12

I put out a little poll questionnaire on Twitter, and it got tons and tons of responses. And I asked people, I said on a scale of one to 10, how much do you trust big pharma for the non vaccine products? Right? Obviously, think a lot people now are saying, look, I wouldn't go get the vaccine. The information's come out or they they got the vaccine and one booster and now they're regretting it.

Seth Holehouse: 20:36

But it was, you know, a lot of people are still on stuff from Pfizer, whether it's, you know, heart medication or, know, stuff that relates to other organs or whatever. And I was surprised. I would probably say that the of zero to ten, ten being, you know, fully trust, zero being no trust, the average response was probably one and a half. I mean, it was so low. And I have to reflect on my own self.

Seth Holehouse: 21:01

It's like, actually, yeah, that's true. And ten years ago, like, I knew that the the a lot of the big pharmaceutical companies had they were corrupt and, you know, that they're pushing for profits. And even, you know, the government organizations, maybe they had an agenda. But I didn't think that they were out to get me. I didn't think that they, you know, had malicious intentions.

Seth Holehouse: 21:18

It was kinda like, okay. Yeah. They're they're big power hungry corporations. But now my perspective is very different than that. And it seems like a lot of the public as well have have really lost trust in the medical institution and lost trust in the organizations like the CDC and the government.

Seth Holehouse: 21:36

And so how do you think this is gonna shape the kind of future of medicine in our country? If half of the population no longer trust these companies, how do you think it's gonna shape how people are treated?

Speaker 2: 21:54

Yeah, it's a really important point that you're raising. And the old saying, you reap what you sow, like this is quite applicable in this scenario. It is a really difficult time, I think, for people, for patients, for people because of these issues related to trust. I think probably the greatest effects will be on vaccines, even though your survey address other medications. Know, as a doctor, someone who's taking care of many, many patients, I mean, there are it is not uncommon for people not to want to take a drug because essentially they're distrustful.

Speaker 2: 22:46

They're distrustful of the drug being a good product for them. And I personally haven't noticed in clinic any in our county health departments, pardon me, any differences in that. There's still a lot of people who are distrustful of medications. Of course, I am seeing the people who are still coming to the clinic. So there are people I know, and they call me sometimes with questions about medical issues, that don't want to go to a doctor because they don't trust the doctors.

Speaker 2: 23:24

So I think that just overall, it's sad state for medicine. And the people are going to be avoiding care that potentially could be helpful, potentially. And it's unfortunate. And I think that what pains me is that I don't really see many signs of taking responsibility and ownership by the medical community. I mean, when are we going to come out and say that, well, it turns out the best quality evidence never supported masking.

Speaker 2: 23:59

And I'm sorry we tried to force that on you and I'm sorry we forced it on your kids or even an apology for the lockdowns, you know, conceding that, and that was just terrible policy, extremely harmful, especially the poorest Americans. So it's a sad state and unfortunately I don't see overtures on the medical side to mend the relationship.

Seth Holehouse: 24:26

Do you think that it will give rise to more of a parallel economy in medical treatment where you've got people moving away from, say, the the bigger systems and moving more towards, you know, small local practices, practices that are approaching things in a more natural way, etcetera? I mean, do you think there's gonna be a shift in that we're gonna see?

Speaker 2: 24:48

I would not be surprised to see that. And I think there's there already is evidence of some things like that with telemedicine practices that say distinguish themselves from mainstream medicine, if you will, when they advertise and reach out to the public and to their consumers. So I wouldn't be surprised at all. And there are a lot of people who are really hungry for authenticity and honesty. And that is the market to which that those types of services really appeal.

Seth Holehouse: 25:24

Yeah. That is a good point too that there's the there's gonna be people that are hungry for that. And so for people that maybe had lost their job because they wouldn't get the vaccine or whatever, especially a lot of the health care workers, it's almost like a, you know, stick stick with it because there's gonna be probably a lot of opportunity in the future as the next stage of this unfolds. And so, yeah, that that's a that's a good point. So tell us a little bit about your your book.

Seth Holehouse: 25:50

Let me pull it up for us here. So your book Transcend Fear, A Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health, which even for this book, I saw different reviews are getting attacked for it, which makes me think, hey, this is probably a good book to read. So Yeah. Tell us about this book and the message that you're trying to get across here.

Speaker 2: 26:10

Yeah, sure. I talk about my transition personally from a guy who was really riddled with fear and for whom that was just a central part of my existence to a guy who was the opposite of that, who wasn't chained down by fear and was more connected to my being and able to have a better experience of my own self. So that's really the backbone of the book, if you will, that's the heart of the book because that made everything else possible in terms of the articles I wrote and the decisions I made and even now as Surgeon General Flora, how I even became that and what we've done since then. So that's really the heart of the book. I'm really happy with the life I live now and I was doing well academically, but definitely carrying around a lot of unhappiness internally before the pandemic.

Speaker 2: 27:25

And it just so turned out before the pandemic, I ended up working with a guy named Christopher Mayer, who's a former Navy SEAL and has mastered and developed new techniques related to Chinese meridian theory and the flow of Qi and things like that. And I worked with him for five days and basically got free of my fear, self doubt, my pain, so many things I got to get rid of permanently after working with him. And I worked with him in December of twenty nineteen, right before the pandemic. And that was just, that was of course God's intention to have me be free so that I could have clarity during the pandemic. And that's really the core of the book.

Speaker 2: 28:17

And then, I mean, that's the heart. And then of course, then there are public health details that are slapped up on top of that in terms of decision and data.

Seth Holehouse: 28:26

Yeah, it's interesting because I feel like fear played such a strong role in what was happening, you know, with the pandemic and even CNN having the death count always on, etcetera. And I was talking to my wife just this morning about how, you know, fundamentally, there's this great fear of death in our culture. And we don't talk about death. And even, you know, how when someone dies, it's almost like you rush to get the body taken away and kind of put into the ground. And it's just like, whereas other cultures, they might have that body, you know, with them for a day or so as they're mourning.

Seth Holehouse: 29:03

And there's sometimes you have other cultures where there's even a celebration of death and acknowledgement, especially for an older person, they live their life and, you know, they can go on. But it feels like that there's just this mindset where, you know, we want modern medicine to make us live forever. And there's this fear of death, this fear of the unknown of death. And obviously, for people that have faith, you know, like like myself, it's like, well, I'm kinda looking forward to death because not like I want it, but it's like, well, whenever it comes, it's like, get to go home. You know?

Seth Holehouse: 29:30

It's like, I think I'm gonna enjoy my life much better when I'm, you know, back in this divine realm. And so it's easier to have that perspective. So I think that yeah. I think that it's interesting because it's this the psychologically, this this people that they don't want they're so scared of dying, and that makes it them so easy to control. Because if you can create a situation that causes fear and then offer the solution to remove that fear, you know, through some sort of safety, but that safety comes at loss of freedom, unfortunately, think a lot of people will just run straight into that trap.

Speaker 2: 30:08

Yeah. Well, that's cool what you said, man. Because you're absolutely right that when people are afraid and have fear of death or fear of anything, it makes them much more amenable and susceptible to manipulation. You're absolutely, absolutely right. And I hear you, I mean, I love my wife, I love my kids, I don't want to go anywhere anytime soon.

Speaker 2: 30:43

But you know, God knows best, you know, those decisions are preordained and just whatever, I don't want it, but you know, if I am afraid of it, then I would then be a good candidate for manipulation along that dimension or whatever dimension it is that I'm afraid of. So yeah, you're 100% correct about that. And it's interesting. It's interesting. And that's for me, I know that it's not for everyone, but I also know that there are people out there who want to be free of fear, who want to be free of it.

Speaker 2: 31:42

And those people major motivation for me to write my book. Because even for me, would still be, I'd be the exact same guy I was four years ago, the exact same if my wife hadn't found this guy for me to work with. And so just by God's grace and the kindness of my wife and the grace that he provided to my wife, I got to benefit from that. And I got basically a brand new lease on life and so much more access to my abilities and gifts as a human being. And I know there are some other people out there who want the same.

Speaker 2: 32:22

And I hope that for those people like that's, I'm there especially for those people because, you know, I've had the experience of being on the other side.

Seth Holehouse: 32:34

And so in closing, let's leave our audience with one thing. If you can give like one of your best tips for people to get rid of fear, what would that be?

Speaker 2: 32:45

It would be that it's a journey, right? Because the fear is not people think that the stuff is up here, but it's not up here. It's like in your body. And there are different paths that people take. And I think what I would share with people is to really try and connect with your heart and follow your heart because your heart has that divine connection with divinity, with God and with your angels and your guides.

Speaker 2: 33:23

I just, I bid you, you know, good luck and good love in following that, following your inner voice in terms of the path to take to rid yourself of it.

Seth Holehouse: 33:40

Well, thank you for following your inner voice with the platform that you've been been given to reach people. You're doing very important work. And I thank you for joining us today. It was just a it's a pleasure speaking with you. I encourage folks, I'll put a link in the description, but just to check out this the book Transcend Fear.

Seth Holehouse: 33:58

You can find it on, you know, Amazon or, you know, I prefer to go to Barnes and Noble or other companies. But you know, it's really anywhere that you can you can buy books. Like I said, I'll put the links below. So thanks again for joining us. It is really a pleasure and what a joy with this conversation today.

Speaker 2: 34:14

All right. Hey, thanks, Have a great day. Have a great day. Thank you.