Putman Podcast Pops

Shannon Putman interviews Carmine Provenzano, founder of Safe Kitchen VR, about using virtual reality and AI to revolutionize kitchen safety training. They discuss Carmine’s journey, the importance of immersive learning, and how Safe Kitchen is making safety accessible for everyone from students to professionals.

Guest Links:
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Safe Kitchen VR
Safe Kitchen VR Promo Video

Shannon's Links:
Putman XR Consulting
LinkedIn: @DrShannonPutman

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Hey.

Hello everybody.

I hope you're having a fantastic

start to your school year in honor of a exciting new time in the halls of education.

We have a special guest today, Mr. Carmine Provenzano from Safe Kitchen vr.

He is the founder and I could not be more

excited to have him

join us today on the

Pop Carmine.

How are you today?

I am doing well, Shannon, thank you

very much.

Yeah, I'm very excited to be here.

Well, we could not be more thrilled to have you and it's gonna be great conversation.

One thing I do not do is cook, which is why I am really excited to use Safe Kitchen to get me started on safety and whatnot because ya

girl has cut herself more than once.

I tell you what I didn't cook at all

Before I started this company.

I, now I'm cooking every

day.

See, there you go.

Hey,

I don't know if it has so much to do with fact

that I started, that we started Safe Kitchen vr or just the fact that I, find it to be relaxing

and I eat better.

Yeah, that's for sure.

Well, we can count it as

both.

So can you just gimme a little bit of intro, kind of tell the people who you are and

kind of how safe Kitchen got started and just, you let us know all good

I I sort of took a little bit of an

unorthodox path to where I am now.

My career was as a bond broker in New York City for a while, and then sort of.

How to find the next thing after regulation took over that market and electronic trading really made a lot of headway and carved into our revenues.

I was looking for the next thing to do with myself that I found interesting, and that was sort of, it wasn't new to the world at that point, but it was new to most people that were not in that world.

And so a buddy of mine steered me into the direction that he was a part owner of a company in New York that did.

Traditional construction site safety training, but they acquired this VR team and they were selling, they were creating custom VR safety training modules and they needed a head of sales to run I'm sorry about that.

And introduce that new content to that industry.

And while I was doing that, I was getting a lot of inquiries about whether or not we had anything for commercial kitchen safety.

At one point, I just I said to myself, you know what?

I understand that these guys wanna stay in their lane.

I get it, but I'd be way more interested in this other product.

And I'm, and I already know that there's demand for it.

And then I really niched it down.

I mean, it could be such a grand there's so many grand possibilities with it.

But I niche it down into starting with education and.

QSRs and hotels and, you know, larger restaurant chains.

But that's how it got started.

I started it myself in 2023 and here we are now with a viable product and a team.

And on your podcast,

Who would've thought right?

nobody that knows me, Shannon, that's for sure.

Well good.

I like to keep him guessing.

So that's incredibly interesting that you made that switch.

'cause I wouldn't have never seen that coming 'cause it's

A big leap.

And so can you kind of

just let us know what is safe kitchen?

Okay.

We create safety training modules for commercial kitchens for the worker and for food safety, and we use the power of vr, ai and WebGL.

There is a lot of content available and very reasonably priced for food safety, both in videos and website learning and elea classroom learning.

However, when it comes to worker safety, there's very little other than just maybe some basic overlap with OSHA general industry.

And then, you know, the FDA and ServSafe when it comes to PPE.

Some basic safety standards, but really not a lot that focuses on the main injuries that take place in a commercial kitchen on a daily basis.

And how a team when led properly and focusing on these safety measures is is more effective and confident.

Absolutely, and there's a

lots

I'm sorry, I may not have answered your

question.

I mean, that's what we create.

How do we get it to the client?

The VR is deployed on VR headsets, and then we were getting a lot of inquiries.

Well, you know, just based on, I mean, you know better than anyone, right?

Based on scalability and

availability of headsets and that type of learning

environment, would we be able to compliment it

and in some cases replace it with a browser version that's available on a laptop?

Or a tablet or phone.

So we went down that route as well and that, and there seems to be quite a bit of demand for that.

For sure.

You're absolutely right with that.

The problem is still just.

Getting people into headsets, and it has not happened at the level that, you know, anybody thinks it has.

So we always say you gotta meet 'em where they are.

And so meet 'em where they are and get them to progress forward.

But something like kitchen safety is.

Incredibly important and the fact that you can practice it in the exact mode where the brain actually thinks, yes, I'm actually doing this,

seems like it's even more important to be done in that

headset and you know, in that full immersion.

And so what was it

about?

safety, other than, I know you mentioned you know, your friend, but had you ever been in a kitchen, did you have a

bad,

you know, a bad experience in the kitchen?

Or was it just you saw the opportunity

and

you thought, yeah, this is something that's really needed?

I don't wanna make it sound like

I just jumped on an opportunity, but I did jump on it.

Of course, know, we all in our youth spend some time at, I was a busboy for a long time and a waiter And I actually was, a part owner of a couple of cheese steak trucks in New York City.

And I, was, I was firsthand,

In that environment where I saw, okay, we could have prevented that.

That poor guy doesn't have to go home with a burn on him

today.

You know, we could have prevented that.

My brother and I had these food trucks and he actually had, you know, a brick and mortar place as well.

And then also growing up, you know, with friends in the restaurants, watching them get hurt.

And then it, I guess maybe it all just kind of clicked when I said, what can this VR do?

Um, how can we make it really effective and beneficial to everyone in the industry?

And I think that we have, I think we figured it out.

As somebody who has been in the software and thoroughly vetted it and experienced it, I can absolutely Smokey Robinson that.

Which means I

second that

emotion and

and it really is.

And so, I mean, obviously the name is,

you know, the idea is in the name

Safe Kitchen vr, but I know sometimes people

will hear Kitchen and they'll just

automatically assume cooking and things like that.

But this is

not a software

that will teach you how to cook, correct.

Right.

Our platform currently Now that being said, we can, we do create that content for custom work.

So knife skills and knife safety, for instance.

We can, within the modules we have multimedia.

So there'll be QR codes that would have recipes.

Cooking and preparing that food throughout the whole process.

Okay.

But that is not our focus.

That is more of a custom job.

Our focus is on the safety itself, the safe use and cleaning of the equipment.

Fire safety, just basically overall environmental safety within the industry.

I think that's an important point that you mentioned that yes, we do.

Touch on knife skills because that is safety and I know that you know, obviously cutting and everything, knife skills are very important to a chef.

And you know, when I think of a, but that it isn't, you know, this is not gonna teach you, you know, how to make a bolognese or anything like that.

But when I think of like kitchen,

like.

Obviously my favorite chef is,

you know, Gordon Ramsey.

Big up to Gordon.

If you hear this and wanna come on the pop,

please

come join us.

But when I

think of him, depending on which show, you know, you think the classic, like Hell's Kitchen or whatever, and he is screaming at you and everything like that, but your software is not like that.

How does it actually work?

When I'm the user, what am I gonna experience?

Am I gonna be nervous?

Am I gonna get yelled at?

How does it actually,

you know, take me through the process of a

safer kitchen.

Okay, well, that's a really good question, right?

So, and I like the, I like some of that content that you add in there.

Am I gonna get yelled at?

You know, things like that.

We are we do add that type of effect if it's, if somebody wants to really get the environment down to their environment, but.

Currently what you'll

do, you know, with our off the shelf content, it's hazard recognition and prevention and fire safety recognition and prevention and safe use and cleaning of equipment.

So you will not be getting yelled at.

There are other workers in the kitchen and if with our multi-user function, you can have up to 15.

People in the same environment working on the same task, communicating with each other.

So you can see each other's avatar and you can communicate with each other.

It's great for a teaching environment which our safe food handling module, which is currently in production, that'll be, that will have an actual avatar teacher, and that teaches a little sassy.

So it will make it a little entertaining, but it will not take away from the seriousness of the content.

And then we'll create a couple of surprises here and there.

You know, there might be a rat running across the floor if we have a waste management situation, or there could be a grease fire that just pops up in the corner and, you know, everything needs to be responded to accordingly.

I love that and I think that's incredibly important because yeah, you know, we're not we, you haven't modeled it after

somebody specific, but let's face it, in

any industry, you're going to have to deal with a boss or.

Of the coworker or something.

And they might be more of a

Hell's Kitchen, Gordon Ramsey and

not a master chef Junior Gordon Ramsey.

So you have to learn how to handle those things and be under

that pressure.

So I like that you don't make it just this, you know, super simple and fun environment.

'cause let's

face it, the world isn't like that.

Well, it's interesting because we have an AI feature.

That will be standard.

It's actually what our, the entire coffee shop safety module will have an AI feature to it, But the other modules as well have an AI add-on.

So if you did want that.

kind of a scenario within the modules, we could easily create it.

The coffee shop safety module, for instance, will have.

Multiple personalities created for clients and coworkers.

And so, random situations could pop up in that module that you were not ready for.

You could be getting yelled at by a client.

You could be getting yelled at by a coworker.

You could have to deescalate a situation somewhere in the environment.

And that's what's great about how AI has made it here so quickly.

When I first was looking at, okay.

What advancements can we use in the beginning?

You know, in the beginning you're trying to, you're trying to, wed your grand ideas with your budget, right?

And at the time, AI didn't fit in the budget, but, and that wasn't that long ago, but now it's a no-brainer.

Yeah, absolutely.

To just try to kind of

put your head in the sand and ignore.

AI and that it's here and that

it's, you know, needs to be addressed is just completely silly.

And so I love the integration of AI in smart and meaningful ways and you guys are absolutely doing that.

And you touched on it and I'd love for you to expand on it.

You mentioned a coffee shop.

Can you kinda let us

know what that's all

about?

Oh, so yeah, so this

is um, I actually think this is gonna be my favorite one

when it's finished.

First of all, think of the

demographic of who

works in a coffee shop, right?

So that age group fits perfectly

into who, who most effectively or is

most familiar with our products,

right?

With the VR and feels comfortable in the

headset and learning in that environment.

So that's sort of one box checked right away.

Secondly, there are kitchens in most coffee shops now.

There's not a heavy preparation.

Some of them do have heavy preparation, but they tend to have a lot of the same equipment on a smaller scale than a, a commercial kitchen.

So they do need to learn that safety and they do need to be familiar with food safety, but they're also kind of in the middle of things as well.

So you will have clients come in that create, you know, a situation.

You have to and you're young, right?

You're not quite sure how to deescalate a situation or deal with a. A snarky client or a couple of people in the corner making a lot of noise.

You want, you wanna keep the environment safe, but you also want to keep the situation under control.

So we've got a lot of different variables and young people trying to prevent themselves from burning each other, becoming familiar with the equipment.

We will do in that module, we will do, aside from food safety and worker safety, just basic training, onboarding, opening, and closing the store.

Cleaning the store properly, it'll be start to finish.

Safety and soft skills.

I absolutely love that because you're exactly right.

There's so many things going on.

You know, you've got customers, you've got money, you've got cards, you've got, you know, orders and things.

Like you said, there's

hot things, there's cold things, there's glass, there's all these things going

on all at once, and a lot of people, if say that's their first job, it can just be completely overwhelming and just slam them all at once.

So giving them the ability to have that fear and that overwhelming sensation without actually being in front of customers in the first time and everything, I think is

something invaluable that you can't provide in any other format.

We have a lot of, and we can have a lot of fun with that one

too.

Yeah I mean, I'm excited.

And they, well, and that just opens you up to so many other

things.

There's so many different you know, companies and stores and things that have some sort of kitchen or some sort of, you know, cooking component or preparation component to it that you're really kind of just scratching the surface of it.

So as you start to, you know, develop more things, where do you see

Safe Kitchen kind of headed?

As far as development goes or the company overall.

Just in general?

Probably either or both.

Like, do you see, you know, are there any, you know, goal like I would say brass ring scenarios that You would love to, to eventually develop and then just, You know, we'll keep it at that We can come back to

The

company

You know, I can answer that question, I can certainly answer that question.

We're fortunate enough that we might be in, in, that current

situation.

Right now, there's

a brass ring

within reach.

It's early on in,

in our career, but I feel like we we really hit on a niche

That's not served at all.

And so it's exciting because there's so many possibilities,

but it's also hard to stay focused on like one particular vertical.

So I consider us to be the founder and creator of a category I call cyst, culinary immersive safety training.

And I don't think anyone else does it to the extent that we do.

They might touch upon a little bit here and there, but when you throw in the vr, the ai, the WebGL and our own LMS I believe we are definitely a leader in that space.

Now, what do I see?

I see us being the Kleenex of that space.

So when you think.

Immersive safety training for culinary.

You think Safe Kitchen VR is where I start.

Love it.

I love the analogy.

I'm a big fan of analogies as well.

Yeah.

So that's, that is exactly it.

And you know, I love the idea too, especially when you're, you know, you're seeing the prevalent, I swear I'm not obsessed, I

just happen to mention again, master Chef Jr. But when you see the prevalence of,

Getting more kids in the kitchen and things like that, and you know, as we're.

We're integrating things.

How do you see Safe Kitchen fitting in?

Not with now the graduated

professionals, but the younger

generation coming up and trying to investigate, is this a career I wanna go

into?

How do you see it with like the

youth and fitting in there?

Okay.

That's a really good question as well.

And I have found that of our top three verticals with the most traction, it's education K through 12.

and

again, kids love the vr, but there seems to be no, there

is definitely this.

Grand push nationally for presenting the kids with career options and being able to present it to them in great innovative ways like vr.

So we partner with companies that do exactly what you do, and we get the product to them in their environment, and then they can see, Hey, do I wanna be involved in culinary?

Do I wanna be a chef now?

I mean, our modules are safety, but they're gamified.

It's not just like they're walking around learning something, they're in VR and they're, you know, pointing and clicking and finding this and, you know, competing against each other.

And so I think gamifying it for the youth is a great way to reach them.

And then going through programs very much like your own is a great way to reach them.

And to that point we've decided recently to create a co home kitchen safety for the family.

Module, so it would be away from the commercial kitchen into more of your average household kitchen, and then it'll be safety content for everyone from the, I don't, I, this might be too young.

I, I've been outta that age group for a while with kids, but I don't know from the 8-year-old that use the, uses the microwave to the 17-year-old making themselves a grilled cheese.

To a dad for the first time using the oven.

I like all of these things we're going to address.

I absolutely love that and I seem to remember somebody else mentioning that type of scenario and hopefully Putman XR Consulting will.

Be able to be a part of that development because we see firsthand the needs and you know, we know what students are asking for everything from,

you know, my educator peers will understand blessings in a backpack.

You know,

we send home the kids home with food for the weekend

that doesn't to cooked, but as opposed to just microwaves, because we know that unfortunately a lot of these kids are having to make it for themselves.

Or we have eight year olds cooking for their.

You know, 3-year-old brothers and sisters and things like that.

So bringing the family and getting them involved

is absolutely phenomenal.

And

so.

listen, Shannon, let's not I appreciate you being humble, but

let's call a spade.

You brought it up.

Well, thank you.

I know it is, it's very hard for me, but yes, I did and I love it.

That's what I've been trying to say for a long time.

Your girl here has got great ideas

and

most people, I don't know why they don't

tend to

listen to them, but you guys did, and you jumped right on that, and I'm super excited.

It's another reason why I'm so excited to be partnering with you guys and in a shameless.

Plug.

I'm gonna go ahead and ask you from your perspective, what excites you about the partnership with Putman XR

Consulting?

The visibility.

I'm pretty sure the main reason I was reaching out

to you or trying to find

a business like yours

was it's very difficult to scale in

this industry.

And so I was trying to figure out a way for

me

to get my product in front of K through 12 nationally, and you came highly recommended.

And then when I spoke to you about you know, your process and your product.

And how it all works.

I just I'm like, well, this is a perfect fit.

Shannon can get this product out in front of people I never would've been able to get to and, you know, spread the word I, and then I'm pretty sure it'll spread quickly.

And I have a really good feeling about it based on, you know, what the conversations we've had already and the steps we've already taken, so.

So, yeah, I'm really very much looking forward to it.

I know that we're gonna have a nice a nice reach with you and your efforts.

Well, thank you so much.

I appreciate that.

Yeah, we absolutely are, and I think anybody hopefully that knows me, knows that one thing I don't do is give up.

And so, not.

Going to be a matter of effort or energy, and we're making moves, especially in Kentucky and in Chicago and in, in different areas.

And so it's about to be, I think a really exciting time.

But again, the industry has attacked the education space.

So incorrectly and we have to teach our educators the technology first.

And it's a whole new realm.

It's all new vernaculars, it's all new terms.

It's everything.

And unless you have somebody on those front lines like Putman Consulting doing that, it's not happening.

And so what I'm excited about is not only having a fantastic product, but then also having a company that listens to its customers like.

If I give you feedback, you guys actually listen, sometimes people think their product is perfect and they don't really tend to listen.

They're like, well, we like

it this way, whatever.

But you guys have created

something that really

Is driven by feedback and

input and you know, what is it about Safe

Kitchen that just makes you different and, you know.

I wanna say like, I'm not in, not against any other companies, but just makes you

willing to

take, I guess, kind of the risk to, to

go after maybe some of those areas that other people are not willing to go for.

I think we've been really fortunate enough in the early days to get a lot of words of affirmation from established individuals in the

industry.

And so that's provided us with the confidence to move forward with it.

You know, we have,

We have some marvelous subject matter experts that are all established within their at their organizations higher education and QSRs and hotels and things like that.

And so hearing the the positive words coming from them no, that's a good idea.

Pursue that.

Pursue that kind of helps, you know, and then sometimes Shannon, you just take a leap, right?

Like.

You may not have even run something but somebody, but it just seems to make sense with everything you're doing.

And so then you just take a leap.

Another example of the of that was you know, the browser.

I was really hell bent on this just being vr

and then I just ran into a lot of a lot of questions about the browser and accessibility to the headsets, and it was really supposed to work just as a compliment for.

For schools that were not able to offer, they have, I guess they have to offer the same or similar content to online students as they do to live students.

Well, we couldn't do that with the vr, so the, but the browser allows us to do that.

And so we took those words and we ran with it and I'm glad we did because there's great demand for it.

And you know, and another example is what you suggested about the home cooking.

And you know what, I'm gonna take that.

Home safety module a few steps further, and why not make it a complete home safety module, right?

Young people are home alone a lot, so there aren't just dangers in the kitchen.

So I think we're gonna extend it to throughout the house.

Love it.

Yes.

And I agree with I, I see both sides of the, you know.

Web availability in VR headset.

'cause I've been on both sides of that discussion as well.

I'm like, no, it needs to be vr, you know, but I've come to learn that there's not one right way and there's a situation for everything.

And I was seeing that if there was a web version, people would only do that and it wouldn't even go.

To the next step and go to the vr.

So I felt like it was preventing it, but I think it, you're absolutely right.

It's a fantastic like kind of intro into navigating a virtual environment as well.

And with the kids, let's face it, we know that basically they even our elementary school kids, they all have

cell phones.

and so if we can make something that they can access

with something they have in their hand, then that's just more people we can reach and, you have to kind of, you have to do that, but like I said, target it with the goal of giving them the confidence to take that next leap, as you said, into the actual

headset.

I mean, it's interesting.

It's not that much of a hurdle to put it on and

get set

up well, depending on what head state you use.

Right.

But,

once you're in there, it's almost

like

when you go to a comedy

show

And you leave the comedy show and you go, how come I don't do this more often?

And then you don't go back to a comedy show for two years.

Right.

Oh my gosh.

That might be the most perfect.

Sorry, not to interrupt, but that might be the most perfect analogy I think I have

ever heard, and I am so mad.

I did not think of it, but props to you.

you can use it whenever you like, but Right.

You leave the comedy shop your face hurts from laughing and you're like, how come I didn't, I don't do this once a month

and you don't go back for two years.

But the, VR

headset, I mean, I listen, I use

it for work obviously.

But I like throwing it on and sitting on the couch and putting on a concert on YouTube, just relaxing.

Yeah.

Yep.

Oh my gosh.

I love it.

That's still so good.

Mental noting that one.

But no, I really love, and I think the idea of home safety can, you know, can absolutely be for anybody.

I mean, I'm seeing like you could, you know, you could have it be like where you can get a babysitting certification, you know, because they have those now.

Like when I was a kid it was just like word of mouth, you know?

Like, oh yeah, they're responsible.

Like,

sure, we'll leave our kid to 'em, but now they are like.

these babysitters, even at like.

You know, 14, they've got resumes, they've got, you know, CPR training, everything.

So it's another

area that you can just help prepare people

and, you know, and get, create a whole new environment of

safer, envi, safer home environments for everybody.

Yeah.

One thing that one thing I've learned is we're not short on ideas when it comes to how to implement the technology.

Yep.

Absolutely.

The biggest part, like you said, is getting it, is having it embraced

Yeah,

it's been.

at the pace.

We'd like to have

Right.

And

it's been that constant battle, you know, and it's not all on the consumer.

It's definitely the industry itself too.

I feel the industry is

always kind of chasing the next big thing, you know, it's like, oh, well we gotta

get hand tracking, and oh, well now we gotta

do pass through.

And now it's AI glasses.

And

I feel like the, industry hasn't stopped and, you know, gotten people accustomed to the

first thing and we're already onto the next new amazing thing.

And

so people

I mean, that's.

That's exactly what I think it is, right?

Okay, well that's what it is.

Now, let's wait a year.

Let's see where it is.

Well, maybe the headsets will be smaller, maybe.

Tracking technology will be better.

But meanwhile, the original introduction technologies still good enough

to handle all this without even waiting

eight years.

right.

Yeah, exactly.

And as we're kind of getting towards the end of your

car mind, this has been an absolute unbelievable,

Conversation and I

couldn't be more excited to,

to continue our

partnership and really get going.

But is

there anything that we didn't

touch on that you kind of just wanted to make sure that everybody knew about you or Safe

Kitchen or anything that you didn't have

the chance to talk about?

Well, that's a really good question.

I feel like we did cover a lot as ba as far as the company goes.

It's important that everyone knows that the flexibility of our content development and custom work and actually we're having this conversation today, right?

Do I move on to Safe Kitchen

XR and change it from Safe Kitchen vr?

What are people thinking in our industry when they just see the VR.

You're a good person to ask that question to actually.

Right.

So, I want people to know that we're not just vr we have 3D Web and we do use AI and we and we use AI Features and Technology 360 video as well.

So, it's important that, that is definitely one important point, that we're not just vr.

And the other important point is we are not afraid to venture into, uncharted territory.

We've got support from the industry.

We definitely have realized that recently and we're looking forward to it.

We really want to be the leader in this category.

I really like that you said that and that you brought up the customization aspect because I think we kind of, we didn't really explain that, and so a lot of times there's kind of two camps, you know, like.

There's, I just wanna buy the software as it is and use it.

I don't wanna have to do any work.

I don't have to think about anything.

And then there's other people that are like no, I want this specifically, like this and everything.

And

so, having people understand that,

you know, you have the ability that, let's say they get it and they want, and then they're like,

well, we wanna, you know, if, can we adjust this or have that, or whatever, that option is available

and that you guys do that and are open to that

because.

People don't even know really

what's

available and what's possible.

Let me give you an example.

Let's just use general hazard prevention and recognition.

Okay?

So we'll use, we're gonna use the same kitchen, same mapping.

For all these scenarios that I'm about to list, we've got a K through 12 student that can go through this content, learn about the hazards.

Then there's embedded videos within the module that will assist them in stuff that in, in some content that may be required a little bit more dialogue, but you don't wanna get into it.

You wanna have sort of, it narrated.

That's the basic use.

Within the same module, you can upgrade it to instructor use.

Then you go in as an instructor and you use that content to teach a class.

Or you can or you have some of that content customized to change to your class.

Okay, that's great.

That's instructor use.

Then you can actually go in as a facility manager and click on the digital twin QR codes on every piece of equipment in the kitchen.

That'll have within the module, that'll have the serial number, the dimensions, the user manual, the maintenance schedule, so all of this in one module,

That's so awesome.

That's so cool.

That's so much more than it, I mean, than you even think like that you basically, what

we said at the beginning, kind of just scratches the surface of what's actually available in Safe

Kitchen.

You wanna talk for

a few more

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

Yes.

And as far as the XR versus vr, I don't know.

I'd have to think about it.

You know, the name, especially because that's one of the problems in

the industry is

that the, you know, there's

no one agreed upon definition even for vr.

I had to, you know, for my dissertation, I had to actually say which specific definition I was using because there isn't one.

And so I think.

The industry sometimes has a messaging problem and so, it

it's a good question that I will definitely be pondering for you and I'll let you know when I

Good.

Good.

Yeah.

We're kicking it around now.

Before I guess it's never too late, but we're kicking it around now.

Yeah.

All right Well, for right now it's definitely Safe Kitchen vr, and I'm gonna put all the links and everything, you know, in, in the episode and stuff.

And this is where I'm

supposed to be like, boo hit like, and subscribe, smash that like button, but

Hey, do you have that?

You have that brief

video I sent you, right?

Yeah, I do.

Yes,

Dale?

Maybe throw that in

there

for sure.

Absolutely, I will.

And I was gonna say, obviously people know they can come to, you know, Putman XR

Consulting to find out about Safe Kitchen.

But if they wanted

to

check any other sources, where would

you point

them to, to go or who to reach

out to?

Our website is currently being worked on right now.

There's an overhaul taking place.

However the current site is sufficient.

They can go on the site and they can if anyone that listens to this is go, is in the workers' compensation world.

We are, we're invited to present in Nashville November 11th at a conference there.

To discuss technology and worker safety in general in the food service industry.

Well, Carmen, this has been absolutely amazing.

Thank you

so much for coming on and joining me on the pop

and for believing in Puppet XR Consulting and the

possibilities that we can do together.

I don't know how

to thank you enough, and I'm just so excited for what we're about to do together.

Well, it was a pleasure.

Always a pleasure speaking with you and any way that we can grow this pie is fantastic and bring this technology to the people that need it.

I'm All for it.

Anything that you need from me, I'm here.

Absolutely right back at you.

Thank you, sir. Had a great time with you on the pop and we'll talk again soon.

All right.

So much, Shannon.