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The Chile Wire with A. Baldonado. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The Chile Wire. We are one week past election day for the primary election.
Abe Baldonado:And with me today in the studio is representative Rod Montoya to discuss what we saw during election day, but also talking about the future of New Mexico. Representative Matoya, thank you so much for joining me today. Look forward to hearing your expertise on what you took away from election night. Greg Hole ran away with it. Just really saw a he very much overperformed in Albuquerque and and Sandoval County and Bernalillo.
Abe Baldonado:And so I think he it was 35% in Bernalillo, which was a lot of ground to make up for all the other candidates running against him. And I think that's where we saw the victory go towards Greg Hall was that Bernalillo vote that came in.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah. I've got to say, and by the way, Abe, thanks for inviting me back.
Abe Baldonado:Of
Rep. Rod Montoya:course. And thanks for calling me an expert. And by the way, don't know you know what the definition of an expert is. That's a nobody who's 50 miles away from home. So I appreciate that.
Rep. Rod Montoya:However, I have been doing this for a long time. I've been involved with a lot of campaigns, big statewide races, governor races, you know, senatorial races, big races. And I have learned a lot. So drawing back on on that history, I would say the win for Greg and how handily he won, no one was expecting that. As a matter of fact, we had some pollsters, very prominent in New Mexico, very good, great credibility.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And they were actually calling that the race would would likely go to Doug Turner, and it likely wouldn't be close. There were a few folks saying, and this is what I thought, that it would be close one way or the other. However, no one was saying they expected Greg Hall to win with the percentage that he won. He won pretty convincingly. And frankly, he won pretty convincingly where Republicans don't traditionally do well.
Abe Baldonado:I mean, think Bernalillo, the last time that it really had a strong showing was during when governor Martinez first ran, and she was able to get a lot of Bernalillo voters out.
Speaker 3:And
Abe Baldonado:that carried her over to win that election.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And I think that there was a lot of surprise because, you know, frankly, Greg didn't have a lot of money at the end to campaign. So I would say the campaigning he had done early on because he was in the race very early. And also just the fact that he's very well known here because he's been a long term long time multiple term mayor in Rio Rancho, as he likes to
Abe Baldonado:say. Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And I think that it was a his strength in Bernalillo County actually makes me think there is a possibility, a greater possibility than I initially thought, that he could potentially win. Also, it doesn't hurt that Deb Haaland is probably the the worst actual candidate I've ever seen run for anything statewide in New Mexico. Absolutely.
Abe Baldonado:And he's he's gonna be dealing with a big battle right now, this general election, because the turnout that we saw, we saw a very motivated progressive group of individuals show out for her. I mean, I we all knew that Sam Bregman was gonna lose. We knew that it was gonna be pretty bad, but we didn't think it was gonna be that bad. Yeah. I mean, 73% of the voters went towards her and I think we can look at right now.
Abe Baldonado:I know this was a very much experimental year with semi open primaries the first year, but independents didn't show up like a lot of folks thought. They thought independents are gonna show up. They're gonna vote for Sam Bregman, and I think that Sam Bregman expected that as well. Independents stayed home now during the primary. They didn't turn out.
Abe Baldonado:And, also, I don't think a lot of Republicans switched their voter registration to go vote for Sam Br If you lean Democrat, you're gonna vote Democrat. If you lean Republican, you're gonna vote Republican. Yeah. You're not gonna say, hey. You know what?
Abe Baldonado:I'm actually gonna go get this ballot instead because I wanna vote for Sam Bregman.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:I think Sam Bregman had some slips over his campaign. He was trying to be too much of what he thought everybody wanted him to be rather than just being himself and being authentic. And I think he tried to win over conservatives. He's not conservative, but then he tried to win over liberals and that didn't help with, like, getting conservatives over to vote for him either. Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:And and I think, you know, his talking points on ICE, I don't think helped him with conservatives. I also think that, you know, some of his attacks and some of the things that he was saying didn't help him with the Liberals either, that he wasn't progressive enough. And, I mean, some notable Republicans gave him money, and Deb Haaland's team used that as to say, hey. He's MAGA Sam Bregman. We know he's not MAGA Sam Bregman.
Abe Baldonado:Most people know
Rep. Rod Montoya:he's not. Sam Bregman was the chairman of the Democrat Party when Emerge as a movement came into New Mexico. He fully embraced that.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. He helped support Holland.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And he got run over by that very progressive part of and and let's be let's be clear. This is a if you're a Democrat and you are you consider yourself to be moderate or reasonable and you're sense. Unhappy. Yes. And you're unhappy.
Rep. Rod Montoya:This is a lot of my relatives that I'm talking about that are unhappy with the direction, the very, very progressive socialist Democrat wing of the Democrat party, that is the dominant wing of the party. As a matter of fact that Yeah. It's taken I I I I can see if if you were to look at a a deformed bird with one wing that is really big and one little tiny wing, that's the Democrat Party now. By far, most of the Democrats, the dominant wing of the Democrat Party is this progressive anti American left. Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Bregman and some folks who believed that trying to be moderate, trying to be reasonable, trying to be inclusive, that's not there for you. And I'm I'm talking to Hispanic, traditional Hispanic Democrats in New Mexico. There's no place for you in the Democrat party today.
Abe Baldonado:Those JFK Democrats are now the minority. And Yep. They're gonna either they're gonna have to unite and take their party back or Yeah. They're gonna have to figure something out, whether it's moving to independent. I think we've seen a lot of them shift to independent now or move over to the Republican Party because clearly the Democrat party that, you know, people look up to and I think your family would say the same.
Abe Baldonado:They were Democrats because of John f Kennedy.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah. But those Kennedy Democrats are foreign few. No. My my family are walk away Democrats. They stopped let me rephrase that.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They started voting Republican back in the Ronald Reagan era. There was a big wave of Hispanic Democrats that that started moving towards the Republican Party back then.
Abe Baldonado:Well, Reagan had the great comment. I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me.
Rep. Rod Montoya:That's right. And that's that was in that was back when we were still the big difference between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party was taxes and redistribution of wealth. That was the argument that party used to be pro union. Yeah. I don't understand why unions are voting Democrat at this point because the environmentalist wing and the radical wing of the Democrat party is anti And high paying union jobs because
Abe Baldonado:unions exist because of capitalism. That's right. They they ensure that they protect workers and employees from unfair practices and that is essentially why they exist. If you move towards a more socialist type government, you're not gonna have unions.
Rep. Rod Montoya:No. Because unions are middle class Yeah. Americans. They are taxpayers. They are homeowners.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They want good schools for their children. They want safe streets. That is not what the Democrat Party is for today, not just in New Mexico, but nationwide. The average union worker is a patriot, loves America. I actually don't know how someone who loves the country believes that the American dream is uniquely American.
Rep. Rod Montoya:I heard Vivek Ramaswamy talking about that. You don't hear about the Canadian dream or the Mexican dream or the European dream of any sort. It's the American dream where anybody like my parents, my mom who had an eighth grade education, my dad who had a third grade education, and in their lifetime built no less than five small they were very small businesses. But they were able to succeed. They were able to leave behind an inheritance for their family.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They the their English was very broken. They English was not their first language. Even though they were born here, the English was not their first language. You can still do that in capitalism. But watching this idea of of the socialist progressives in the Democrat Party basically saying that that this is an awful system, it's because they don't teach history anymore.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They don't go to actual socialists and communist countries. We have within my lifetime an example of Venezuela being at one time one of the I believe it was the fifth largest economy in the world, based on their petroleum. They have some of the greatest petroleum reserves. And then they went socialist. They started talking about how the haves have so much and the have nots don't have nearly as much.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And then they went they went socialist, Democrat, then they went full on communist, and then they were starving people out. And there is for the folks who talk about fascism and try and point to Republicans, that is ridiculous. Republicans believe in freedom and opportunity. If you want to look at a fascist society, it is once socialism becomes weaponized and the people lose their right to defend themselves, then it quickly turns to communism and authoritarianism and fascism. Fascism is fully on the left.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Look at the who got cancelled in the last several years? Conservatives or progressives or liberals on the left? No. Freedom of speech went away for a period of time here in America.
Abe Baldonado:Was only reserved for one particular group that agreed with all this. If you disagreed, you were, you know, a far right, rash, racist, you know, white supremacist. Yeah. No. It it it's funny you bring that up because that is so true.
Abe Baldonado:And to your point, as a former teacher, our current gen like, our future generations aren't learning the history that we grew up with of what these these class systems look like under capitalism, under fascism, under communism, under socialism, and understanding the difference. You know, right now, we see a big push. I would actually call them Marxists. Right? And America for a long time fought against Marxism because it is not good for the individual no matter how much Karl Marx tried to advocate and say, it is actually good for the individual.
Abe Baldonado:No, it's not because you start creating the bourgeoisie and you start creating the proletariat and now you have the haves and have nots.
Rep. Rod Montoya:That is where the haves and have nots actually really exist. There is Exactly. Two classes. The very, very wealthy, the the The ruling class. The ruling class, and then the very, very poor, and there's nothing in between.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Right. And And it all comes with starting to take
Abe Baldonado:a little bit of your rights away. Your right to defend yourself, your freedoms that exist, you know, our Bill of Rights. It is That is
Rep. Rod Montoya:By the way, that's why I say those folks who are holding on to the Democrat Party the way they would their football team, I could never convince you away from the Eagles. Nope. Never. Never. But it doesn't matter.
Rep. Rod Montoya:In the end, what football team I like is a preference, and it's entertainment. Politics is not. This is way, way more important. Your rights are on the line. If you are a Democrat, and you believe in private property rights and you believe in I want government to be there to protect those rights, not to infringe on those rights, parents right now are the ones losing the most rights right here in New Mexico.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. We see government saying, hey parents, we know how to raise your kid better than you do and we're going to indoctrinate them. We're going to make them believe all these things whether you agree with them or not. We're going to tell your kids how they should be. And if you don't agree, then you are a racist.
Abe Baldonado:You're not empathetic. Right. You know, you're not understanding and you're a terrible person that that's quite frankly not the case. And, you know, I I just find it ironic because here are two Hispanics having this conversation.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So Right.
Abe Baldonado:We blow up that whole narrative of, oh, this white supremacist move Traditional North Tenos Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Don't like the idea of government telling them what they have to do. Yeah. My family, the reason they left the Democrat Party is because the things that came under attack was the ability to make a living came under attack. They would because the far left would rather have you receiving money from the government, so you're fully, fully, fully beholden to them. But my my parents were landowners, homeowners, gun owners, property owners.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They they were farmers and ranchers. All of that, if you believe, if you have, we have relatives that have grazing rights, all of that is under attack from the left.
Abe Baldonado:Right now?
Rep. Rod Montoya:That whole, your life, your way of life in New Mexico is under attack, and it's not under attack from Republicans. Republicans want you to be able to succeed, want you to be able to make your own way, want you to be able to make your own decisions without government interference. But as I was saying earlier, the authoritarianism is on the left. You remember during COVID, hundreds of business owners in New Mexico, small business owners, were put out of business, and everybody was forced to the big box stores Mhmm. Which didn't make sense at all.
Rep. Rod Montoya:We're trying to not spread a virus. You send everybody into the same few stores that are open.
Abe Baldonado:And you had a leadership that said, you stay home, but I don't have to oblige by those rules. I'm going go out shopping and buy No,
Rep. Rod Montoya:the ruling class never ever ever within a social democracy or a Marxist form of government. They always have more rights than you do. Yeah. And you'll never get them back because once they disarm you by the way, this whole argument about gun control and they talk about assault rifles, that assault rifle, quote unquote, is really the same as your hunting rifle, just in a black plastic scary looking case. It is a semi automatic rifle that you have to pull the trigger every single time.
Rep. Rod Montoya:It is not a machine gun. It is not really and then getting rid of the cartridge capacity. Once again, that's a hunting rifle.
Abe Baldonado:Well, and on that note, representative, I think what frustrated me this legislative session and I I don't mean to go down a rabbit hole here, but I think this is gonna wrap around to some of the things that we're gonna look at and discuss here shortly. But we saw senators and representatives tell you that these gun control measures were unconstitutional. They deep down understood. And these are some of them were trial attorneys. Some of them understand the law, and they also took an oath under the New Mexico constitution, The United States constitution when they were sworn in in their elected capacity to uphold constitution of The United States and the state of New Mexico.
Abe Baldonado:And they go on record, and they tell you
Rep. Rod Montoya:I think I
Abe Baldonado:think I believe I believe this legislation is unconstitutional. I'm gonna vote yes for it.
Rep. Rod Montoya:I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they had no choice. Their constituents would have voted them out of office if they would have taken away their gun rights. I think some of these folks if you if you look at the the Democrat Party in New Mexico and look at the major contributors, maybe not at the state Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Emily's List. I mean, yeah, every town for gun safety.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yes. And trial lawyers. And trial lawyers. Trial lawyers in New Mexico out and out own the Democrat Party in New Mexico. And it's because they're making a terrific living in New Mexico, and they're protecting that.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The one industry that is protected by the left in New Mexico is a trial attorneys. But if go and look at them where their money comes from.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. Follow the money. Follow the money. We'll get to that a little bit later on because I want to go I wanna show a recent post that Emerge New Mexico put out highlighting all their candidates from top to bottom. And I think New Mexicans need to see this because this is what we're up against.
Abe Baldonado:And on that note, Greg Hole and senator David Gallegos, who's a good friend of ours, they're they're gonna fight an uphill battle here. And so, I want them to see that. But in the primary and I want us to take a look at this. During the primary, you made an endorsement. For context, I wanna just give folks, show them the video that you put out on Facebook.
Abe Baldonado:So let's run clip 14 and just show that for our viewers.
Speaker 4:This is state representative Rob Montoya. I've had Republicans around the state ask me who I'm supporting for governor and lieutenant governor. While I generally avoid endorsing candidates in the primary elections, this year is the exception. This year, the stakes are too high. This year, if we get it wrong, Deb Haaland could end up being your next governor.
Speaker 4:Because of this, I'm supporting two candidates who have a long history of supporting Republican candidates, Republican causes, and the conservative movement. These two gentlemen are Doug Turner for governor and David Gallegos for lieutenant governor. Unlike other candidates who are running in the Republican primary, these two gentlemen don't try to make themselves out to be something they are not. Because of this, I wholeheartedly endorse Doug Turner for governor and David Gallegos for lieutenant governor. And as president Trump would say, thank you very much for your attention to this matter.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So I was one for two.
Abe Baldonado:One for two. Represent on that note, Doug ran a great race. He was one of the last ones in. Like you said, I I think everything that we saw in polling showed that he had that upward trajectory that he was potentially gonna win it. I think maybe with an extra week or two, that could have potentially happened.
Abe Baldonado:I don't think anyone saw the overperformed numbers of Greg Hall and Bernalillo and Sandoval. Sandoval, I think people knew Bernalillo was kind of the outlier. Like, are they gonna show up? They did, which is exciting. Hopefully, they show up now for November.
Abe Baldonado:But how important is it now for us and everyone in New Mexico to rally behind Greg Hall? I know you made the endorsement of Doug Turner, But now how important is it be to get behind Greg Hall and David Gallegos on this ticket?
Rep. Rod Montoya:It's very important. That's it's it's as a matter of fact, it's it's critical because the the underlying reason that I jumped into gubernatorial fray, even though I'm, you know, a sitting legislator, was the underlying line that I had in that message is the if we lose this, Deb Deb Holland is our governor. She is the most progressive candidate we've ever had. She truly is anti oil and gas. This is the first time our entire budget is fully under attack.
Abe Baldonado:And it's the same programs that they continue harping about. Right? Your SNAP benefits, your Medicaid benefits, your universal child care. Well, none of that happens without oil and gas revenues.
Rep. Rod Montoya:If you're receiving a state paycheck, anything, whatever that is, if you're receiving help with housing, if you're receiving
Abe Baldonado:Income assistance.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Income assistance, if you're getting SNAP, if you're getting if you're on Medicaid or Medicare, it is very important to you. If you're a teacher Mhmm. I mean, education is fully paid for by oil and gas. You know? That that is over in Texas, you you pay for education through your property taxes.
Abe Baldonado:Right.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Very different. Here in New Mexico, oil and gas is providing for that. So if you're a university professor, if you're a school teacher, I hate to tell you, but you're on the payroll of the oil and gas industry. That is where your paycheck is coming from. If you are receiving New Mexico government assistance in any way, you are on the payroll of oil and gas.
Rep. Rod Montoya:If Deb Haaland has her way and does away with oil and gas in New Mexico, fracking, if she does that, automatically, half of our income is at Okay? There's some recurring income that we could have from oil wells that are in place that are producing a certain amount. That is not where our budget comes from. Our budget in New Mexico comes from when a new well comes on, that's when the tremendous amount of barrels of oil are produced, same with natural gas. And that's what is covering the majority of our budget in the state of New Mexico.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So the underlying premise of this as to why I got in the race I jumped in, why I did something I hardly ever do, which is get involved in primaries. I would say right now it is critical for the Republican Party to get behind all of our candidates, our candidate for governor.
Abe Baldonado:Because that's going to be a strong turnout for the gubernatorial to translate down to some down ballot races. Yes. Like, like, you know, we have House District 27 now, Janelle Garcia. Yes. It is now an open seat.
Abe Baldonado:She's going against a very radical
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Progressive and Abby Foster Yeah. An Emerge graduate that we'll highlight a little bit later. So is it safe to say that you are here endorsing Greg Hall and David Gallegos and encouraging supporters of Duke Rodriguez and Doug Turner to rally behind Greg as well? Because they're gonna need to show out to make sure that we don't get stuck with a Deb Hall and administration.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Exactly. That is no. And and once again, if if talking to Republicans out there, the left, they have factions that I don't even know how they're on the same team. I don't know how a union worker and an environmentalist can both vote Democrat.
Abe Baldonado:Well, I
Rep. Rod Montoya:would I understand that they're at they're at odds.
Abe Baldonado:I would tell you that they're focused on winning. They may rip each other apart behind closed doors that no one knows about, and they unite when they need to to win because in their head
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Well, hey, you know what? A bad Democrat is better than a Republican. And Yeah. I don't know if Republicans have thought that as well because we you know, there's factions in the Republican Party as well. And so, okay, well, hey, how do we unite now?
Abe Baldonado:Because Deb Haaland is a bigger problem than anything else within the Republican Party. Deb Haaland is number one bad for New Mexico. So what are we gonna do to prevent her from winning office, but others like her and her agenda from getting into house offices, city council, school boards, you name it. I mean, these folks and we'll get into this later with Emergent, and we're we're going to break it down with just how that program works and that agenda works. But it is so important right now for conservatives and even just I'm not going to say conservatives.
Abe Baldonado:I'm going say common sense New Mexicans Right. Who are just tired of the status quo. I mean, year after year bad rankings, you know, first in everything bad and Mhmm. Last in everything good, you know, let let's let's change it up, you know, because clearly it's not working and and we need to shift. But we're gonna get the status quo with Deb Haaland if not plus worse.
Abe Baldonado:And so now Republicans, you have to unite. Like you you're you can't be battling each other and that's like something that I would say is that why are we fighting each other? We agree on just about everything like policy wise, you know, and we we just can't take things personal, you know, like, hey, anytime you run for election and you know this, when you run for office, there's a possibility you might lose. Yep. And there's winners and losers.
Abe Baldonado:If it is a stacked field and there's five candidates, well, guess what? Only one person's getting out of that primary. Yeah. Now, it is important, and I know things happen, stuff are stuff is said about each other, whatever. At the end of the day, though, hey, representative Rob Montoya, he's a he's a staunch conservative.
Abe Baldonado:I know him. He's a good man. You know, we battled it out in the primary, but it's more important to get him elected than me rip him apart and tear him down in vendetta. Right. Because, you know, he challenged me on something that, you know, I said and, you know, or maybe my record.
Abe Baldonado:And Yeah. Quite honestly, if you run for office and you're a candidate, your record gets it is deserved to the American people and to New Mexicans to know your record. Like, it is just fair. It is not like, hey, that's out of bounds. No.
Abe Baldonado:If you have a record, if there is stuff in your past and scandals, whatever it may be, it is important for New Mexicans to know that. And if you run for office, you need to know that that stuff will come out regardless. And so address it, you know, and I'm pretty sure that we're we're all human. We've all made mistakes in our lives and anyone can say like, oh, Abe made a you know, Abe said a joke once that was terrible. Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:You know what? I I we we all do. We and I apologize. We grow, we learn, and we change. And, you know, like Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:A mistake that someone made twenty years ago, they probably learned for it. And just ask them, hey, you know what? I did make a mistake when I was Yeah. 22 years old. Here's what happened.
Abe Baldonado:You know, address it. Just but don't get mad because someone brings it out because if a republic if you're in a republican primary and someone brings that out, you can dang well be sure
Rep. Rod Montoya:The left.
Abe Baldonado:That the that the your opponent on the other side is gonna they already did the opposition research on you and they're gonna bring it out regardless. So you better control the narrative. You better like have the messaging. You better say your side because if you let them control it and that's where we we have failed. Right?
Abe Baldonado:In New Mexico, Democrats and the progressive movement
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Have controlled the narrative. They have controlled everything and they realize that. And so we, you know, like common sense New Mexicans and conservative New Mexicans, we just haven't aligned yet on our messaging and our framing on issues, and so they we've been too busy playing defense instead of offense. And now it's like, hey, we need to play offense. So
Rep. Rod Montoya:I think it's important for New Mexicans to come together and realize, hey, Deb Hahn's a bigger problem here. Look at how the left calls anybody they disagree with a Nazi and a fascist.
Abe Baldonado:Or mega for that for that. Like, it's like, you're mega. You're Right.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Nazi or But the Nazi thing to me, it's it's crazy how the left has in Maine, they have rallied around an actual Nazi sympathizer who is Who had tattooed on his body. Yes. The Nazi and he had other tattoos, which as well were even worse than that. But deciding to run for office, all you got to do is whitewash that off, and all is forgiven on the left. On the right, in the Republican Party in particular, folks will hold on to grudges like it's their life savings, and I don't get it.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The the left can overlook when when the left put all those union workers in San Juan County out of work, it didn't change Democrat union workers from still supporting the Democrat party, even though they could be the next on the chopping block. Their job could be next. So it is very important for us to rally around Greg. And by the way, one of the reasons that I supported Doug was what I saw happen was Doug, when he got in the race, he raised a lot of money. And money is the lifeblood of a campaign.
Abe Baldonado:Well, and you're going up against a machine in Deb Holland that had $12,000,000.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Right. So it's not just the supporters who need to come behind Greg. The donors need to become become behind Greg as well. But I I What I
Abe Baldonado:has to start today. Right? Like Yes. Greg can't wait another month or two to get those No. Contributors.
Abe Baldonado:Like, they need to start writing checks right now Right now. So he can start playing offense.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Right. But I I looked at that as some weakness, and I thought, okay. He's Doug will have a better chance to win.
Abe Baldonado:That that was In politics, money shows support. Right? Like, if you're fundraising really good, there is momentum behind that person. So if they're fundraising
Rep. Rod Montoya:But I would say this. A lot of our donors made a massive mistake, and they said, Well, you know what? We think with the semi open primaries that Bregman would have a good chance. And they wasted a lot of money
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. On the Bregman. Now, he lost
Rep. Rod Montoya:so bad. Yeah. So bad that that that really
Abe Baldonado:I imagine it is putting a $100,000 on black, and it hits red on the roulette table.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yes. Yeah. And I would I would say this. I hope you guys learned your lesson. And I've been around for a while, so I think I'm getting a little salty in my old age.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Shame on you.
Abe Baldonado:You're still young, Rabbi. You know what?
Rep. Rod Montoya:Shame on you. Because I think what would have happened with with because I miscalculated in this, and not only me, like I said, the professional pollsters missed this as well. It looked like Greg was going to lose in in in the end. This was kind of a tortoise and a hare thing, but it looked like but what we all missed, everyone, was something that Republican candidates statewide a lot of times don't have, which is the broad support that Greg has in Bernalillo County. That is the Greater Albuquerque area accounts for almost half of the votes statewide.
Abe Baldonado:Right.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And I think that was a miscalculation. I mean, I was with the vast majority of people in the political know who miscalculated their thought that the trajectory of Doug was going to be much higher. I think now we will see money start to flow to for two reasons. If you are a business owner, you need to support Greg Hull. Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:You I
Abe Baldonado:mean, industry. If you're from industry, if you're Yes. If you're an educator if you're anybody who essentially employed outside of state government in New Mexico and federal government. I mean, opportunities are going to be
Rep. Rod Montoya:hurt here with a Deb Haaland administration. Actually, if you're on welfare Yeah. If you're on welfare, if you're receiving government assistance, you should be voting to make sure that that the industry that is paying for your benefits stays alive. And Republicans have been trying to fight for investigations on waste, fraud, and abuse because Yep.
Abe Baldonado:They do happen. It is it does exist contrary to folks saying Yep. Oh, that those are just lies. No. We we have to be we have to understand that And by the large people who must use this system.
Abe Baldonado:And we need to ensure that these systems are in place for people who need.
Rep. Rod Montoya:That is something that was one part of when I attracted to the Duke Rodriguez campaign when I was looking at what he was promoting was that we got to fix the waste, fraud, and abuse. We could we could better take care of New Mexicans if we did away. In New Mexico, we've got almost a 20% waste, fraud, and abuse number. As a matter of fact, the federal government is going to crack down on states that have that high of a number Yeah. That's out of balance.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Is bad. Yes. And then by the way, we call it error rate in New Mexico. Nationally, you've heard it re termed waste fraud abuse. That's really what it is.
Rep. Rod Montoya:People who are receiving a government check that shouldn't be receiving a check, people who are fraudulently collecting money, and then just poor accounting and practices, not taking people off the roles who are dead. I mean, that should but I would say this as well. One of the reason why the folks who supported Duke and the folks who supported Doug, like myself, need to rally behind Greg is policy wise, they didn't differ all that much.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:I mean, frankly, folks, they I would look at Greg Hull as a more moderate, which I think a lot of folks in New Mexico would look at him as more moderate. I think I think if I were to look at Doug Turner, he's more of a true libertarian. Mhmm. I mean, that that is, you know, kind of a let people leave people alone. And I would say that Duke was probably a more aggressive libertarian a another reason I kind of supported Doug was he's probably a little more conservative, more along where I am at, but there wasn't much of a difference policy wise.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Some of the forums that they spoke at, there was not a lot differentiating them. There was a whole lot of, yeah, I agree with what the previous two gentlemen said. Yeah. And that's because the problems are pretty obvious. The problems that need to
Abe Baldonado:be
Rep. Rod Montoya:fixed are, first off, the mismanagement of money in New Mexico, the tax dollars, the huge amount of money that has come into the state the last few years has just been wasted. Nobody's lives have been improved. Infrastructure has not been improved. Our roads have not been improved. Crime is still out of control.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So everybody identified the same problems, all three of those candidates. So getting behind Greg based on policy, really not a dime's worth of difference between Duke or Doug policy wise. I'd also say, and I'm going to wade into something here. I know we want to go down the road of talking about the folks who identify as Democrat and voted for Bregman and some of what Bregman brought forward, the criticisms, which are still there. I would like to say right now there's some nonsense going on with the state Republican Party.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The argument that was there to get rid of Amy Barela no longer exists. Amy did not win reelection for her county commission seat, so she's not running for any office. So the argument of the folks who said that she needed to be replaced, that argument is gone. Yeah. And she can run now.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And frankly, don't think they're gonna get enough people to go to a convention to do anything anyway. Infighting on our side is just distracting from those of us who are trying to win back the state of New Mexico. Yeah. And and and frankly, I'm tired of it. I'm
Abe Baldonado:tired. And with I I don't think news media, you know, highlighting the the problems within the party and that doesn't help our candidates because there's too much focus on, hey, mom and dad are fighting. So that's going to be the focus rather than, hey, we have a great candidate over here in Janelle Garcia who's running And
Rep. Rod Montoya:We're five months away from an actual legitimate election again in in December. In December, we will be electing a new state party chair anyway. Yeah. So this art Let's
Abe Baldonado:unite. Let let's let's stop saying we need to see unity and let's actually unite and say, hey, okay. You know what? We're gonna focus on winning. We're gonna rally behind Greg Hall.
Abe Baldonado:We're gonna rally behind Senator David Gallegos. We're gonna rally behind these top five districts that
Rep. Rod Montoya:We're gonna rally behind our state party. Yeah. I mean, what what's happening on the right? We've always said the left is ruled by their emotions. What I'm seeing right now, and I'm speaking to particularly Bernalillo County folks, it is time for you to stop harming candidates who are running for election right now.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And I can speak to this as kind of an elder statesman in the legislature. You're hurting our chances to pick up seats. So just out of patience with those who say we need to unify and then are doing everything they can to create chaos. We have an existential threat on the horizon in November, and her name is Deb Holland.
Abe Baldonado:Mhmm.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And it is important for all Republicans to help our candidates get elected. Volunteer. There's a lot of energy apparently within folks to be able to complain. Spend a little bit of that energy helping a candidate get elected. I would say as well, if you're a moderate Democrat, your party has left you behind.
Rep. Rod Montoya:If you're a Hispanic conservative Democrat, your values are no longer represented by your party. You are going to rue the day that you sat on your hands and let the most progressive socialist slash Marxist get elected. Not voting, not getting out there and aggressively voting for the person who's gonna protect your rights is half a vote for the person who gets in there. It it is stated, in a democracy, you get the government you deserve. And you get that government by either voting for the person who most supports your agenda, your personal family agenda.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And if you don't vote, you allow potentially allow somebody who is against you to get in there. So that is tacit agreement. So
Abe Baldonado:Well, I'll tell you, rep. You're sitting with a Bernalillo guy. I'm in Ward 10, and I I hope for the sake of unity that Bernalillo and the rest of us, we there's common ground, and we need to realize that they're within the Republican Party that, hey, let's have a conversation with our colleagues from rural New Mexico. I grew up in rural New Mexico.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:So I understand the needs of rural New Mexico communities are very different than Bernalillo. And, you know, when I have conversations with my Bernalillo folks at meetings, you know, I like to tell them, hey, I grew up in rural New Mexico. Yep. Let me tell you why, like, there's a disconnect here because there's needs that you don't understand and there's needs that you have here in Bernalillo that are very different that but let's have a cup of coffee. Let let's talk about it.
Abe Baldonado:And so I I know we're we're running a little long here, Rep. So I want to jump into you talked about the existential threat of Deb Haaland. And I I want to jump into Deb Haaland because Sam Braigman did a lot of work for for everybody in New Mexico during his campaign because Sam Bregman compiled some of the best Deb Haaland clips of I don't even know what to call her career because she couldn't pass the bar. She got promoted into positions that she had no real work or life experience to get into. And so I think New Mexians really need to question this.
Abe Baldonado:You know, look, we live in a very beautiful state culturally. Like we are mestizos, know, we're a mix of Spanish cultures, native American cultures. I find it insulting however to say we're going to vote for this person just because they're native American or just because they're Spanish. You and I don't agree with that. We don't want to be looked at as, hey, Abe Abe and representative Matoya are only there because they're Hispanic.
Abe Baldonado:That that's it. Like or they're mestizos. They're Hispanic mixed with native American cultures, whatever. That that's the only reason they're there. No.
Abe Baldonado:To me, when you say that, you know what? We're going to vote for Deb Hahn because she's going to be the first Native American governor. Where's president of the building? You know
Rep. Rod Montoya:who's the most upset about this? She she's not sitting here with us. It's my wife who is Navajo. My wife looks at some because my wife has, as a realtor, has had to move up through the ranks based on merit, and she has been very successful. She's insulted when somebody like a Deb Holland is only promoted based on nothing more than identity.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:And Well, it's an insult. To me, that is true racism. Exactly. You don't look at me as anything more than this Hispanic kid that grew up in Las Vegas, New Mexico. I I like to believe that I'm more than that.
Abe Baldonado:I'm I'm competent. Right. I'm an expert in a certain field that I can speak to or I can give back to and have an impact on. I I'd love to be seen as more than like, yeah, you know, that's Abe. He's the Hispanic kid from, you know Well, Antoine,
Rep. Rod Montoya:it's worse than that with with Deb because if you look at where she's getting her money, it's not from New Mexicans. It's from out
Abe Baldonado:she is Nancy Pelosi. Consumer.
Rep. Rod Montoya:She's a bought and paid token. Mhmm. Whenever whenever I hear I've heard in the past terms thrown out there of of conservative minorities being called Uncle Tom's and Jemima's, they have not read the book Uncle Tom's Cabin. The Uncle Tom was the person who had the higher ranking, but that was the person who kept all of the other folks of their minority group in line for those who were the actual masters. If we get Deb Holland, she will not be looking at New Mexicans' values.
Rep. Rod Montoya:She will be supporting the values of those who are paying her ticket and have paid her ticket The trial attorneys
Abe Baldonado:and merge Amer emerge America agenda. And so we'll get into that. I do wanna start showing some clips. One, let's start off with Holland's campaign commercial clip one. Let's let's roll that really quick.
Speaker 5:I'm Deb Holland. In my life, I've learned that nothing comes easy. Moving around a lot as a kid in a military family, raising my child on my own, achieving thirty five years of sobriety. But here in New Mexico, struggle makes you fierce. I worked at the local bakery, sold my homemade salsa, cleaned at my child's preschool to reduce the bill.
Speaker 5:And when I became New Mexico's member of congress and then the leader of the US Department of the Interior, I seized the opportunity to make change. I helped more New Mexico businesses open their doors, powered thousands of our homes with good New Mexico sun, brought good paying New Mexico jobs to plug old oil wells and restore our land, and partnered with rural communities to secure their water and solve rural challenges. But the problems we face now are bigger than ever, and we must be fierce to solve them. That's why I am running for governor of the great state of New Mexico. New Mexico is rich in tradition and spirit, rich in natural resources.
Speaker 5:So why can't our families pay our bills? Crime, poverty, homelessness, addiction. They will keep pulling us down if we do the same things and expect a different result. Every single New Mexican has a role to play in our future. When creative, hardworking New Mexicans want to grow a small business like I did, government should make it easier, not harder.
Speaker 5:Lowering costs, making rent and housing affordable, strengthening our schools, and preventing crime so that you feel safe raising a family here. The solutions are there if we are fierce enough to choose them. New Mexicans know our lives better than anyone, and I want to know yours. In the coming weeks, I'll be traveling the state to ask you about your ideas, your struggles, and your hopes for our future because New Mexicans are fierce. That's how we succeed.
Abe Baldonado:A lot to unload there in that that video, and we have some clips to show. I don't know if anyone else saw what I saw. You know, yes, God bless her. She she dealt with struggles, but not once did she relay a message to me how she got to department of secretary of interior. Right.
Abe Baldonado:Like she she like there was not a timeline there of work that showed me that you were a credible experienced and perhaps expert in this field that would propel you to be secretary of the Department of Interior? Not did I see any of that? Yes. Were there personal stories there about stuff that she did, you know, whether it was, you know, sobriety, whatever. Where's the work experience?
Abe Baldonado:Because that that's to me like New Mexico, you have to go on merit for these type of roles. You need to make sure that you are getting someone that is capable in these positions to to understand the policy consequences. So when you implement a policy, what is the good and what is the bad? Because every policy is unfortunately going to have some sort of consequence. You may not know it now and it may not be something that you see, but there may be one.
Abe Baldonado:And you want someone who can think ahead of time saying, hey, you know what? This is really good. However, did you think of how it's gonna affect this particular industry, this group? You know. And and again, I didn't see any of that.
Abe Baldonado:I did have a big problem, and this to me shows the divisiveness is in that commercial she says, they are keeping us down. Who is they? Like, what are you
Rep. Rod Montoya:In New Mexico, the Democrats have run New Mexico for the past hundred years. We've only had the House in Republican hands for two years in the last in the last sixty five years. The last time the Senate was in a Republican hands was ninety five plus years ago. Every once in a while, we'll switch the governor But
Abe Baldonado:that was for the trifecta, like, where Republicans actually had
Rep. Rod Montoya:No. No. Even then, it was just the the Senate was in charge. The Republicans were not charging the the In the
Abe Baldonado:house, but they had the governorship in the Senate.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah. So we've not had the trifecta in New Mexico since early statehood.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So so I would say this, though. What we just saw was a very, very well produced campaign ad, which does
Abe Baldonado:a good
Rep. Rod Montoya:job. It's very scripted.
Abe Baldonado:Very scripted. And it's not her because we're gonna get into some clips now.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Oh, yeah. She's so she will that is what we're gonna get out of her campaign. I don't expect her to want to do a debate. Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:She's not gonna debate Greg. Right? I don't think she I think she's
Rep. Rod Montoya:she's expressing her ideas when she's asked a direct question.
Abe Baldonado:Never gave Bregman a fair debate either. They did a forum where
Rep. Rod Montoya:Right.
Abe Baldonado:They were softball questions from our traditional media outlets.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Right. So I expect that. But even then, was able to poke out be able to look at two things that she was saying that I completely one is a falsehood. The other one is why she shouldn't be governor. The the the falsehood is that she got money from DC to plug oil wells in New Mexico.
Rep. Rod Montoya:That is ridiculous. We have a fund, and I I'm the ranking member on the energy.
Abe Baldonado:Okay. Have a severance tax.
Rep. Rod Montoya:We have a severance tax. Those dollars are monies that are taken from the oil and gas industry, paid into a tax fund that then goes back, and that's what plugs wells in New Mexico. So then I look at her stating, and she starts talking about the working class. The left doesn't when they say working class, they don't mean working class. They mean people who are on government assistance.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The true working class, the middle class, is the one that's going to get stuck with all her new expenditures that she's going to want to push.
Abe Baldonado:She's going to drive up energy poverty and on that note, you sit on the house energy committee and one thing that stood out to me she said, I created I generated power to New Mexicans with solar farms. Absolutely. Solar farms do not power our state.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Is it is less than 5% Yeah. Of energy in New Mexico. So we shut down oil and gas.
Abe Baldonado:And I will tell you, I'm not opposed to wind farms. I'm not opposed to I'm not either. Farms. I think if New Mexico has the chance to be the hub for all energy, whether it is oil and gas from our
Rep. Rod Montoya:extracted One criteria. One criteria. It's got to be affordable. Right. We do have a lot of poor people in New Mexico, and we have a lot of lower middle class folks.
Abe Baldonado:And we have rising energy costs. Yes. And that that starts to create energy.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And by the way, they're they're they're trying to say that somehow Trump is responsible for he's not responsible for electricity costs. That has nothing to do with the cost of oil.
Abe Baldonado:Most of the problems that our state faces, it's never really Washington DC. Right. Like, the DC problems are more global and, you know, more foreign. Those problems exist more on that. But as far as domestic impacts, most states usually are the precursor to
Rep. Rod Montoya:any Our problems in New Mexico
Abe Baldonado:are self inflicted. Stemmed from our own state government and our own local municipalities.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And by the way, anybody who wants to blame, if you live in Albuquerque or Santa Fe or Las Cruces and you are unhappy with the circumstances that you're in, start electing Republicans because we're not in charge of anything. There is statewide, we don't have a single federal elected Republican, even though Almost 45 per yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Like, almost 50% of folks voted for Donald Trump in the last election. And there's no representation. Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So when they're griping also about this re Representation. Yeah. We talked about representation. New Mexico has been gerrymandered in since I've been in the legislature to wipe out all Republican
Abe Baldonado:My first experience in the legislature coming out as a political science kid from college, you know, you you learn about gerrymandering. Well, I'm interning for the New Mexico State Senate and I get to see all the new maps and you you learn about, hey, districts have to be contiguous.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:Well, you start getting in there. You start seeing, well, why is this district breaking off over here into this little group right over They
Rep. Rod Montoya:Roswell in half, and they split Hobbs. Mhmm. That doesn't make any sense. Hobbs is not big enough to split. Yep.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And but then so one of one of the primary rules is communities of of interest. A city is a community of interest. They also, for the purposes of taking Congressional District 2, they took the South Valley Of New Mexico and shoved it in with all of the rural part of the southern part of the state. What do they have in common with them? Absolutely nothing.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:The needs are very different. No.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Is that was a that was using Hispanics Mhmm. In the South Valley to change an election. There was no concern of that that group has been mistreated by the Democrats for a long time, the South Valley Of New where I know you live. That is the first area where Hispanic Democrats need to start to push back is in the South Valley Of Albuquerque. You are used as a pawn and treated as a second class citizen in the Greater Albuquerque area.
Abe Baldonado:Absolutely. Representative, I want to go to a a clip here to expand on Deb Holland because I think it's important for individuals to know who Deb Holland really is and not the scripted, well put together marketing video that her team put together. I want to show what she's like and this is would be an example. If she is governor and she is pressed, these are going to be her responses. And and let's go to clip eight on some oil and gas questions that she received during her time at Department of Interior representative, and I think we're gonna find this interesting.
Speaker 3:Thing or bad thing that we produced a record amount of crude oil and natural gas? Senator, yes, of course, we understand that if we want to have a clean energy economy that Do you have any idea how much is out there that we're not sequestering that
Speaker 5:we could I couldn't answer that at the moment, but of course
Abe Baldonado:Secretary telling she can't answer questions on sequestration, things that she is responsible for overseeing secretary of the department, and not knowing how much oil and gas is being produced.
Rep. Rod Montoya:This is what happens when you put a DEI hire in place as a figurehead. Everybody else is the expert. If she wins the governor of New Mexico, the scariest thing is I don't know who will literally be running the state of New Mexico because it won't be her. She is incapable of doing it. And I think Bregman, one of the things he's done is the videos that he's that he put out there.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. This was a Bregman video. Yes. Yeah. We have a couple more.
Abe Baldonado:So I want to go through another one. Here is one where a local TV station highlights that Holland doesn't wanna show up to these media events for them to question her and let's do that clip of four and thirteen. We could do both of those.
Rep. Rod Montoya:We invited both candidates to debate here on KOAT. Bregman said yes.
Speaker 6:Holland said no, instead choosing for a one on one interview with KOAT's Miguel Marquez. And that You might notice that we're having the Republican debate, but we're not having a Democratic debate. That is because of the now the Democratic field, there are two candidates, Sam Friedman and Deb Haaland. Deb Haaland, who is a front runner, has declined to debate with us, unfortunately, which is really too bad. But they have agreed to do town halls.
Abe Baldonado:So we saw KOET and we saw The Albuquerque Journal. Everyone showed up and I think that Albuquerque Journal with everyone on that stage would have really exposed her and they knew that and they kept her completely away from that because you have Sam Bragman, you have Doug Turner, you have Duke Rodriguez, you have Greg Hole.
Rep. Rod Montoya:It would have shown who she really is. I I would make a suggestion to the Hole campaign. When when she refuses to do debates, and there should literally be three or four debates as to show people what their options are. Mhmm. And when she refuses, I I would like to see maybe a question asked of Greg on a certain issue, and then take one of the clips where she has been ridiculously embarrassing to New Mexicans on the national stage answering questions, and just ask a question about his knowledge, and then show her maybe answer a similar question in front of Congress, which she absolutely cannot do.
Rep. Rod Montoya:As a matter of fact, in front of Congress, when she's questioned, she says, well, yes, I know that, but I'm going have Amy on my team. And oh, I thought you ran the department.
Abe Baldonado:We have that clip and that was the budget issue. However, we have one and KOET said she chose to do a one on one instead. Well, we have a Deb Haaland interview and this will show her on a one on one. It doesn't get much better because she met with Jessica Garate from KRQE and this is how a one on one turned out here.
Speaker 7:Today, was a hearing because New Mexico passed a new law that bans ICE in counties contracting with ICE in detention facilities. There was a hearing today. The Trump administration is suing the state of New Mexico. Otero County, they still signed a contract with ICE. How would you uphold the state law?
Speaker 5:Right. Well, I mean, we uphold the state law. Right? I mean, it was the the law was passed. It was passed by the legislature.
Speaker 5:It was signed by the governor. It's a law that, New Mexico can pass and uphold, and so I suppose that, we uphold it the way we uphold other laws.
Speaker 7:Is that just kicking out ice and saying, no, Terrecano, you can't do this?
Speaker 5:Well, I mean, it's my understanding that they I think they extended the contract or something of that nature. And and I'm not sure when the law actually kicks in. So, you know, I'd have to look at all those.
Speaker 7:It actually kicks in next week. Okay. With that, our time is out. Thank you.
Speaker 5:Secretary
Abe Baldonado:I feel like Jessica even had to like cut that off like this isn't gonna get anywhere and that is not a legitimate answer to New Mexicans when you're answering an issue and whatever governor comes in is gonna inherit this ICE detention facility problem. And, again, misinformation, people are misleading. New Mexicans, there is a supremacy clause. The United States Of America is the law of the land. So anything in The United States constitution, anything passed by our federal government reigns supreme.
Abe Baldonado:And so, again, that supremacy clause comes into even with ICE facility centers, I you know, immigration. The law that we passed was illegal. It was. And we also saw Democrats and said, this is unconstitutional, but I'm still gonna vote for it. Again, this is a recurring problem that we're seeing
Rep. Rod Montoya:in the in New Mexico are trying to enforce New Mexico's supremacy clause against the counties Yeah. While simultaneously ignoring the supremacy from clause the federal government. So they're threatening these counties to sue them. Our attorney general ridiculously is saying he's going to sue them. And the the the problem is to be in line with New Mexico's supremacy clause, they have to be against the federal supremacy clause, which outweighs the New Mexico supremacy clause.
Rep. Rod Montoya:However, it was never meant to be able to pass muster. These folks will put the progressive Democrats who are in charge of the Democrat Party in New Mexico will vote for something for messaging purposes, knowing full well that we will lose this in court. So we will waste New Mexico taxpayer dollars on a fool's errand to defend something like this in court just for messaging purposes. I
Abe Baldonado:do have to say it is unfair to New Mexicans that this individual
Rep. Rod Montoya:And by the way, she's a congresswoman. She should have said, is with within federal law, this does not be unconstitutional. Pass She doesn't even know that.
Abe Baldonado:Well, she didn't spend much time in Congress before they bumped her up to department secretary. I just have to say, New Mexicans deserve so much better than someone just to sit there and say uphold a 100 times in a sentence, like, I think we just have to uphold it. I I think it's just going be upheld or Yeah.
Rep. Rod Montoya:We're just
Abe Baldonado:going to have to uphold it. It just sounds like, to me, she was not prepared. So bad on her team, but I don't even think that's her team. You can't
Rep. Rod Montoya:be prepared if you fool if you really just don't understand. Yeah. There's no way to prepare somebody when there is there is no depth there.
Abe Baldonado:New Mexicans deserve a strong leader and someone who can answer the tough questions or at least provide a solution or or an idea of some sort. However, that interview just showed me that you're not prepared. Are you even going to take the governorship seriously? Are you going to be prepared when you have to answer questions? Because there are going be things that happen during the governorship that you're going to have to answer to, and New Mexicans have the right to know, and media outlets are going to ask those questions, and you're going to have to come up with some answers, and you're going to have to I defend decisions or, you know, oppose some decisions that have been made and say, hey, you know what?
Abe Baldonado:That was wrong.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The the the problem that I see that is coming is she served in the Biden administration when the Biden administration was not actually run by the executive. It was run by who knows who. Was it Jill Biden? Was it the Obama machine? Who was it?
Rep. Rod Montoya:We don't know because he was unable to make at the end his own decision. She served in that administration, so whatever that machine is, whoever was making those decisions would now be making those decisions in New Mexico because she's clearly not capable. No. This is a Kamala two point o. A Kamala would defeat her in a head to head debate.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. That's saying a lot. On that note, again, as we said, a lot of these clips are shout out to Sam Bregman. Sam Bregman did all this work for for New Mexicans to know who Deb Haaland really is. Let's go to clip three, though.
Abe Baldonado:Sam Bergman compiled this video montage of just who Deb Haaland really is when the tough questions happen.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Specifically meet with them. That's a yes or no question.
Speaker 5:I I I I know I I feel like I need to explain further on how this whole issue was dealt with.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Have you submitted the report on this topic that was due to congress in March?
Speaker 5:I beg your pardon.
Rep. Rod Montoya:She and then she claims that she ran a department of what? A 170 Yeah. 9,000 employees?
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. That she she has this experience.
Rep. Rod Montoya:She didn't
Abe Baldonado:run anything. You're delegating everything over to the folks who really do know and it's just unfortunate. I do want to highlight though. Brinkman, his biggest punch of the campaign came on the Epstein files. Find out Deb Haaland flew on Epstein's plane whether she knew or not.
Abe Baldonado:I I think that's something that can be discussed. However, she is vehemently denied ever flying. However, we have the Epstein flight records and KOET headline that we have right here represent that might be a little hard for you to see, but InJet has Jeffrey Epstein's plane. Yeah. The the thing there that our viewers can see, you may not be able to see it, there's a flight manifest with all the passengers on board.
Abe Baldonado:You are lying to New Mexicans saying you've never been on that plane. Right. And I think that is unfair. I think you need to be honest. It's okay if you were on that plane unknowingly that it was tied to Jeffrey Epstein and, you know, at that time King who was running for for office, Gary King, if he lined up that flight and you had no awareness, you can just say, I did get on that plane.
Abe Baldonado:I was fully unaware that it belonged to Jeffrey Epstein.
Rep. Rod Montoya:I I think I think you are.
Abe Baldonado:You are not on a flight manifest passenger list if you're not on that plane. So you are on that plane. Anyone who flies, you are on a manifest. So if you fly Southwest to Dallas say
Rep. Rod Montoya:that, but if you're going to take a picture and Jeffrey Epstein's in the picture, okay, there's some The problem in New Mexico is this. Truth is the Democrat Party in New Mexico is the one that facilitated Epstein purchasing the ranch. Everybody knew what that ranch was. Well the people who attended
Abe Baldonado:Richardson, I'm sure he Oh, yes. That was He was resting peace. I I am not going to, you know, say anything bad. Right. He he has passed away.
Abe Baldonado:However, there is no doubt that he is in those records and had visited them.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And by the way, Melanie Stansbury is connected to to She
Abe Baldonado:denies that now. She said that was a mistake on her financials.
Rep. Rod Montoya:I mean, how do you make you don't make That's a pretty on your financials. No.
Abe Baldonado:That is a pretty stupid mistake.
Rep. Rod Montoya:The reality of that truth commission that that the the Democrats pushed for during this last session is to figure out what damage control they need to do over Epstein, because that was facilitated by the hierarchy of the Democrat Party in New Mexico when all that took place.
Abe Baldonado:Well, and So No one's hoping right now that representative Andrea Romero voted against House Bill 43 in 2020 Yes. That would have prevented sex offenders like Jeffrey Epstein to register. If they were going to be in New Mexico Right. For longer than ten days, they would have to register as a sex offender in the state of New Mexico. The chair of the Truth Commission investigating Zoro Ranch and Jeffrey Epstein appointed by Melanie Stansbury.
Abe Baldonado:Right. Voted against that bill. Right. So how are you going to say that you stand on the side of victims now when you won't even hold yourself accountable and say, hey, you know what? Well, I made a terrible mistake.
Abe Baldonado:I can commit to this.
Rep. Rod Montoya:But I I can tell you that this specifically is a CYA situation with with the Democrats in New Mexico is because when you look at how they were going to search the records of the Zoro Ranch in New Mexico, there was a group of what are essentially Democrat progressive activists that were going to be given the information without any clearance of any sort. They were gonna be given the information to then sift through it and see what is in there. Do you think an activist group that is a politically left leaning organization is going to be looking to expose folks like Deb Hall and Melanie Stansberry, anybody else, Bill Richardson, any of them. That is ridiculous. This is a specific CYA effort on behalf of Democrats in New Mexico to hide the truth on Epstein Ranch in New Mexico.
Abe Baldonado:Yeah. Very unfortunate. Again, a slap in the face to New Mexicans. I do want to show one more clip, and then we're going to do an overlay for folks as we wrap up here. I I do wanna show another video that Sam Bragman put together, and that'll be a clip let's see.
Abe Baldonado:Where is it? I'm I'm losing it. Oh, clip nine. And again, this is what people will get with a Deb Haaland who has not been given talking points or just completely unfamiliar with the topics and issues addressed, and this is what happens. So
Speaker 5:early readers, supportive teachers, and or successful families are I'm terrible at these.
Abe Baldonado:That's a small friendly room and you're struggling. And honestly, I don't know what she was trying to get across. Okay. Early readers, what do you mean by that? Are you talking about programs for early literacy?
Abe Baldonado:What does that look like? How do you implement that programmatically? How how are you going to get teachers on board? And then you talk about supporting families. What does that mean?
Abe Baldonado:That's just a platitude like, oh, we're going to support families. What are the policies that exist? How do you support families?
Rep. Rod Montoya:That's why they have to hide her. I mean, at least at least with President Biden, they had to hide him because he was having early onset dementia. Mhmm. This is her at full capacity. New Mexico cannot afford that.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Yeah. And and and like I said before, she clearly won't be running New Mexico. Yeah. If she wins. So my my appeal is to people who love New Mexico.
Rep. Rod Montoya:If you love New Mexico, you can't vote for that. Yeah. You cannot. If you love New Mexico and you vote for that, the results you get are the results you deserve. Right.
Abe Baldonado:Well, and representative, to be mindful of your time, I know we're we're coming up on time here, but let's talk about what that is and who is running Deb Haaland and who's running a lot of these progressive cities and a lot of these states that are moving this direction and dealing with these problems, there is one group behind it all and that is Emerge America. We have an Emerge New Mexico. This is the group that got Deb Haaland to where she's at and I do want to note that this is the the fight we're up against. An outside interest group, a nonprofit organization who capitalizes on women and they use the, again, you said, the emotion appeal, but very misled, misinforming, and really pushing in an agenda that does not align with traditional New Mexico values, our cultures. It is just something very scary.
Abe Baldonado:And on this overlay that we're about to show and rep, I just wanna go through it. 35 candidates in New Mexico, we'll we'll scroll through this. They they highlight Holland. Of course, we have Scansbury. We have, At Askin, I think, who's running for secretary of state, Sapansky, a number of legislators.
Abe Baldonado:Mary Ann Naya is there. Janelle Ananu.
Rep. Rod Montoya:These are the legislators. These are the legislators that passed the bills that took away parents' rights concerning their children, concerning the education their children will have in school, concerning putting boys in girls' locker rooms, putting tampons in boys' bathrooms, putting biological boys in girls' sports. That those are the sponsors. Yeah. Those are the sponsors of that legislation.
Abe Baldonado:Slap on the in the face of folks who have long advocated for Title IX to bring fairness for women's sports. It is a slap into the face Yes. For those individuals who worked very hard for women to Scholarship opportunities
Rep. Rod Montoya:are being taken away from girls. But just the idea of someone identifying as the opposite gender and then being able to get undressed in front of girls in their bathrooms or locker rooms or or for them to have to undress in front of these biological males. I don't care what your pronoun is as a grandfather. I'm concerned what your appendages are that my granddaughter may be confronted with in the locker room. What happened And a very very young age where you're going to have to have a very
Abe Baldonado:uncomfortable conversation that that child Well, why does my may not
Rep. Rod Montoya:develop does my granddaughter's rights no longer count? Why does her her right to feel safe and secure in of all places a what has always been traditionally a safe space, a locker room, a bathroom, why are her rights, subordinate to the rights of this other person? Why does inclusive mean your rights are excluded? That is the problem with authoritarianism. Somebody's rights will always dominate over someone else's rights.
Rep. Rod Montoya:That is the left. That is
Abe Baldonado:the You authoritism are of the a terrible person. You are not. You may have
Rep. Rod Montoya:to go to some sort of sensitivity training. You have to you have to do like what they used to do in the gulags. You have to go to a reeducation camp. Yeah. Or you have to sign a document saying that you will no longer be a bigot.
Rep. Rod Montoya:And I will say it goes even further than some of those issues that
Abe Baldonado:you highlighted and I appreciate you highlighting that. But if you look at this list, they are inserting these candidates into judgeships, your city councils, your school boards. They are infiltrating every up and down position in government from the highest state level to the lowest municipal level. They are infiltrating and they are creating a a bench Yeah. Of individuals that they are gonna grow up and put into the New Mexico roundhouse, put into your school boards to start pushing this emerge agenda that does not align with New Mexico.
Abe Baldonado:And for crime, you see a lot of these judges that are not tough on crime come to find out they're Emerge graduates. They are unleashing And by way havoc. Repeat offenders back in
Rep. Rod Montoya:Before they before we were accused of being sexist, I serve our leader on the house is Gail Armstrong.
Abe Baldonado:They're very strong amazing leaders. You have senator Crystal Diamond Brantley in the Senate. You have, Candy, Azelle. Rebecca Dow. Rebecca Dow.
Abe Baldonado:You have amazing women who are advocating for women and are a powerful presence and voice in Santa Fe. Yeah. But these Emerge graduates Andy Reid. Andy Reid. Andy Reid.
Abe Baldonado:Lawyer and very she's also on the truth commission, and I'm glad she is. But yes, you have these Jennifer Jones. You have these amazing women, but then you have these emerge candidates that they're they're different. They're pushing something very different.
Rep. Rod Montoya:They push the state's rights over your individual rights. That is what progressivism is. That's what collectivism is. You heard Madani in York saying The warmth of collectivism. And
Abe Baldonado:then you see what that looks like about a month after his Right. Payroll run ins, like, this is the warmth of collectivism?
Rep. Rod Montoya:Well, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, North Korea, that's the warmth of collectivism, folks. That Why are people fleeing those countries? Because if it's very warm and it's very cozy and it's wonderful Why are why are our New Mexico progressives or our American progressives not rushing to those countries? Because it's awful in those countries.
Abe Baldonado:Work. Historic history has shown Yeah. Socialism doesn't work. Margaret Thatcher, you know, I look today Europe. I think Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill are rolling over in their graves for everything that they fought to see where even modern Europe is now.
Abe Baldonado:In America, you have these folks like a o AOC, Mandami, and these others and our own progressive legislators here pushing these systems that have shown historically do not work. They've been fought because those are the true systems of oppression, and they fought they were fought by Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill and others because of that same reason. They do not work.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Well, we have an opportunity, and we we pretty much sit on a precipice. We can move forward with individuals and families being the priority of government or having government being the priority of government. We've lived through eight years of complete control by the left, Albuquerque with complete control by the left. It has created the worst education system in the nation. It has created some of the most dangerous cities, some of the dangerous streets
Abe Baldonado:Absolutely.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Here in Albuquerque.
Abe Baldonado:One of the dangerous cities in the entire world. The world. It's up there with Colombia and The Middle East. Yes. I mean
Rep. Rod Montoya:So that is the warmth of the belief system of collectivism and those on the left.
Abe Baldonado:And we have a beautiful state, which is the Yes. The unfortunate part is that we have the most beautiful state in our union where you get all four seasons. You have the beautiful mountains from, you know, the the Song of the Decreastos up to the Rocky Mountains and start of the Rocky Mountain Chain. But some of the best lakes, rivers, I mean, just natural resources here that and Yeah. And just history.
Abe Baldonado:New Mexico has played such a vital part in American history that we should be proud of. And yet, I mean, we're we're still looked at as dead last. I mean, we were semi valley before semi valley became semi valley. Amazon started here. Microsoft here, you know, and there was an opportunity but because of poor leadership, New Mexico didn't become the business hub.
Abe Baldonado:Well,
Rep. Rod Montoya:unfortunately, New Mexico has been part of the term Californicated. Yeah.
Abe Baldonado:The problem with folks are leaving. They're like, hey, we created these problems.
Rep. Rod Montoya:But the problem
Abe Baldonado:is Now we're going to run away from Mexico.
Rep. Rod Montoya:Poor state. California was a rich state, and now they're poor. Yeah. We are a poor state, and we're trying to implement what was too expensive for them in California to afford. Our poor people and our middle class in New Mexico cannot afford this type of government.
Rep. Rod Montoya:So this is important, folks. Yeah. So just to kind of recap, I fully support Greg Hull in this upcoming election, and my call is to the Republican Party to line up behind our candidates now. Stop the infighting. Let's let's get on with the work ahead of us.
Rep. Rod Montoya:We have five months, a little little less than well, right at five months till the election. And those of you who are independents and moderate Democrats and just, let's say, new people who love this state more than the left hates this state, Let's come together, and let's find a way to protect New Mexico from the dangers of Emerge
Abe Baldonado:and the dangers of a Deb Haaland governorship. Absolutely. Representative, we appreciate your time. We appreciate your expertise in coming to discuss, you know, post primary election recap, but also the future of New Mexico that's at stake here. And so big thank you to you, your family.
Abe Baldonado:God bless you. You're also up for reelection this fall as well. And, you know, it's it's you've been doing this a long time, but it it doesn't get easier. That's for sure. It's never easy when you run for office.
Abe Baldonado:And so just thank you for being a public servant and taking that leap of faith to represent the 4 corners area. And, yeah, I I don't think I could say it better, but New Mexico, we have to get out and vote. We have to unite, and we have to just really vote for common sense. And let's let's fight for New Mexico because we are at risk of losing our traditions definitely the attack on our culture. So thank you representative.
Abe Baldonado:Thank you everyone for watching The Chile Wire. We hope you found this informative. And as always, do your own research. You know, we provide you all some information here, but please up and down the ballot, do research on the candidates. Find out who you're voting for.
Abe Baldonado:Don't just pick a name. Make sure that you know that they represent your values and what you believe and how you wanna see your communities and how you wanna see our state. So with that, representative, thank you very much, and thank you everyone for following The Chile Wire, and we'll see you next time.