How to Stop Being “Successful” on the Outside and Miserable Inside

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Are you a lawyer looking to learn about personal and professional growth? In this episode of the Maximum Lawyer Podcast, host Tyson Mutrux interviews Chris Earley about his unconventional path to founding a law firm, the challenges he faced in the legal profession, and his journey of personal growth. He discusses the pivotal role of mentorship, mindset shifts, and self-care practices like meditation. 

Chris shares his insights on the need to address personal issues while running a law firm to ensure they don’t interfere with professional responsibilities. Being a lawyer can be very tough, especially with the types of cases seen and it can lead to irrational and heated behaviour that can affect other people. Chris tells listeners to pause and really take some time to think about your feelings before you potentially make a mistake, like sending a fiery email. It is also important to think about healthy alternatives like therapy to work through your issues.

It is really important for lawyers to be authentic. Being real and vulnerable is the best way to connect with people and network with others in the industry. For Chris, he uses LinkedIn as a platform to share real, vulnerable moments with followers. It is the perfect place to share successes and failures so others can learn, especially for fellow lawyers who are looking to learn from those who are more seasoned.

Listen in to learn more!

3:52 Lessons on Mindset Shifts

5:48 Navigating the Overload of Legal Experts 
16:45 Addressing Personal Issues

33:37 Vulnerability as a Superpower
38:10 Authenticity for Lawyers

Connect with Christopher:

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Tyson Mutrux 00:00:01 All right. So, Chris, before we get into the law firm and everything you've been building up to now, I really want to hear back about the beginning. And can you share some experiences that led you to to want to start a law firm?

Christopher Earley 00:00:15 Yeah. So I have a bit of an unconventional, story. I never thought thought about being a lawyer and never knew any lawyers growing up. lawyers seemed to be in a different stratosphere than I would ever imagine to be in. And so I, I started to get serious about school and then got into law school, and I got out. I couldn't get a job, and I. Tyson I didn't network in college. I just focused much on academics, not really the relationship part as much. And so I found myself. I couldn't get a job. I was sort of screwed. So I hung a shingle and this is about 20 years ago. So that's all I've ever known as entrepreneurship in the law. And thankfully things have worked out.

Christopher Earley 00:00:52 But I sort of stumbled, you know, into entrepreneurship, which I think a lot. I can say from my experience, sometimes it's very common, right? I see that a lot is. We don't always plan this in law school. Sometimes we just have to sort of figure stuff out and we end up hanging a shingle if we're crazy enough. So that's been generally my crazy path in the law.

Tyson Mutrux 00:01:13 Yeah. The majority of people that stumble in, I'd say they they end up accidentally building a law firm that is, you know, it's it's kind of bolted together with different things and it's not super efficient. And it sounds like you might have kind of turned the corner from that. And, you know, so at what point did you turn that corner or or did you build something at the beginning that you thought was, oh, this is going to work out?

Christopher Earley 00:01:39 No, I mean, I'm going back to I got out of law school, 2004. The business of law was not even a term I've ever heard.

Christopher Earley 00:01:46 It wasn't really talked about. It was a, you know, this is a this is a practice of law. It's not a business. And so I sort of took that as truth. And so Tyson, for about 10 to 15 years, I was. I'll admit, I was kind of like a hack. I was just it wasn't a business, you know? It was on fire. Thankfully, I never got sued. I never had any real quagmires. But skating close, as you get busier and busier. Do you know a guy named Ben Glass? Greatly.

Tyson Mutrux 00:02:12 Yeah, I love Ben. Ben's fantastic. And his son Brian is awesome.

Christopher Earley 00:02:15 They're both awesome. One day I was having a terrible day. I decided not to go to the office. I was just at a tough point. I was getting burnt out. My wife was like, what are you doing home? Why aren't you at work? I said, she said, do you never take these off? I said, I have to take a day off.

Christopher Earley 00:02:28 I was just having a very stressful day and I googled, I gotta get to a conference. I had to get out of my my world here in Boston. I got to get outside. So I decided to go to a Ben Glass conference that was like six, seven years ago. That was a that was like a launch to go in a totally separate direction. So it encouraged the audience. You know, I know you're into conferences and events. You put on events. I think the practitioner who's looking to grow has got to get out of the freaking office and grow, because I had a good practice, super, super, super low seven figure practice, but it was really me and assistant and it was like, this isn't sustainable. And so I'm sort of like a late bloomer. So you asked me, did I have it figured out? Hell no. Right. And so it's, you know, a work in progress, but learn from my mistakes. Get started earlier. If you're if you're in law school or you might go to law school, develop relationships, network.

Christopher Earley 00:03:18 But some of us have success later. And I found traction later, you know, kind of mid-career 20 years in. So that's been my path of stumbling, stumbling, failing, and then finally finding my zone, which is like having conversations like this with you is like talking about this stuff and geeking out. I love this stuff. But that's been my kind of, again, odd path in this profession.

Tyson Mutrux 00:03:41 Well, other than the pattern interrupt of getting out of the office, what was it? What was it at that that conference that really shifted your mindset?

Christopher Earley 00:03:51 I mean, I didn't so many things. It was a fire hose. It was like, wow. Mindset. Never really heard that term used in law. We don't talk like that, you know. Time management. What's that? Delegation. Just, you know, drinking from a fire hose and realizing that. Oh, crap. This makes sense. I mean, this resonates with me. Like, I can jive with this, like, you know, Ben Glass is just talking about being an authority.

Christopher Earley 00:04:15 Like writing a book. Doing a newsletter. Cultivating a tribe. I was like, I can get with that. Like that's cool. I can really. And so that resonated with me. But whatever the room is, you should be in, like, I found comfort in that room and joined as mastermind, join other masterminds and kind of leveled up as we should. Right. As we advance forward. That was that was a turning point of like being. I think when I took from Ben Glass, Tyson being a different lawyer, you know, his term is like a renegade lawyer. I just like doing stuff differently and not being a vanilla lawyer. Right. Not being that scary, intimidating lawyer to the general public, being like an approachable person who's just gets on clients levels and like, get meets them where they are. That's what I learned is just like doing things differently and having a I mean, I go on and on. I just so many lessons I took from em. But you can actually be a happy lawyer.

Christopher Earley 00:05:03 There's such a thing. And I never really like thought that was totally realistic, to be honest with you, until I sort of like a caveman discovering fire.

Tyson Mutrux 00:05:12 Yeah, well, I remember whenever I started practicing, it was about 2010, and or it was 2010, and it seemed like there was just a couple of experts out there. And I would consider Ben one of those experts, right. Where like a true expert, right. He's practicing, but he's also he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the business side of things and the marketing side of things. But there seems to have been an explosion since them of of experts. And I wonder like, what is what is your advice on filtering through all of the the noise? Because there's a lot of bad advice that I see. Yeah. How do you filter through all that?

Christopher Earley 00:05:48 really good question. There's definitely proliferation. Right. It's it's there's so much out there to, to choose from I think, like there has to be a fit.

Christopher Earley 00:05:57 Like, I think Ben's great. Ben's hobby. Not great for every single lawyer out there. And he knows he's. He doesn't want to be. That's part of why I learn from him. You don't want to be everybody's lawyer. Like, you only want to attract a small slice of raving fans who will refer and make your life better and rich. You. So I would encourage you to. You know, everyone you know wants to take your money. You have to be careful where you where you spend your next dollar as you invest in yourself. But you can't go wrong with, with, with going with, going out of your comfort zone and finding a good room, a conference, a mastermind, but just finding one that kind of speaks to you because they're all different flavors, right? I know this guy, John Robbins on Florida. He and Ben Glass, polar opposites. You know, Ken Hardison, a totally different guy than those guys. There's so many different flavors out there, but it's really incumbent upon the lawyer looking to grow.

Christopher Earley 00:06:45 It's a find that right fit. And and if it's working, fantastic. If not, go to a different room, find a different, you know, expert to learn from. But there's no shortage. You're still right. Almost too much.

Tyson Mutrux 00:06:58 All right. So let's we're going to shift gears drastically. And I'm going to read this quote to you. And it's the wound is the place where the light enters you. The wound is the place where the light enters you. And, you sent me a book Scaling the Wall One Man's Journey of Healing childhood Trauma to Find Fulfillment and Success. So when I read the wound is the place where the light enters you. I wonder if that means anything to you.

Christopher Earley 00:07:25 Yeah. all of us are struggling, you know, all of us. I mean, that's one thing I've done recently. Tysons really get real. That's why I wrote that memoir, is to, like, reveal how effed up I am and flawed. And my career has gotten better by being vulnerable.

Christopher Earley 00:07:40 So, I think you can find purpose through pain. You know, maybe sounds cheesy, but, like, I have found my sweet spot, which is like scaling a practice, growing up a place for help people out. living a good life, where the firm engineers the life that my family and I want to live. And so. But if we don't work on those wounds, Tyson. Like, that's a recipe for disaster. See, I wasn't working on those wounds at all. I was getting my own way. That's why I literally wrote a book about anger. I was holding me back professionally. Personally. I would threaten to bring me crashing to a bottom, and I didn't want that to happen. So every single person sitting watching this has stuff, that we all need to work on. I think we have to be honest about the work we have to do. And that book I wrote was about the ugly work. You know, this is like a constant work in progress. There's no, like, endpoint here, but like figuring out some stuff to have a better marriage, be a better father, be a better leader at my business, a better person.

Christopher Earley 00:08:41 And so I think it's scary when you don't reckon you don't acknowledge your wounds and you think everything's fine. And you as a lawyer, you, you, you keep trudging forward like, no, I got this, I got this, and you burn out. Some guys and gals get into substance abuse, some get into addictions. It can be a very, you know, depression. It's a very sad field. I mean, as much as I love this field, Tyson, there's, you know, a lot of sadness and there's people that, you know, resonate with with on this podcast, you know, listening right now that have pain and I it's cheesy but like, it's legit. You have to work on those wounds. So that quote really speaks to me. But pain can be a good thing. Like the wounds can be a blessing. Like your your challenges in life, your your, your your issues can actually be a springboard to greater success. I feel like if you harness that in the right and healthy way.

Tyson Mutrux 00:09:32 Tell me about the work that you did to to really dig deep to write this book, because I can imagine that writing was a bit therapeutic a bit. It was a bit painful, my guess as well. But yeah. Tell me about the work that you did.

Christopher Earley 00:09:45 I so I was I went back up, so I was at a mastermind. us like four years ago in the Bahamas and I was growing Facebook and I got a friend, John Fisher. He runs the mastermind experience.

Tyson Mutrux 00:09:59 He kind of loved John. So do what? John's fantastic. Yeah.

Christopher Earley 00:10:02 He's awesome. He's a good person. I love John, he's a friend. He put on Facebook. Hey, check out my friend Neil Goldstein. My friend Neil Goldstein just put out a memoir. And he was like, what's that all about? So I clicked on it and I said, I need to write my memoir because Neil's story is very much similar growing up, dysfunctional environment, you know, just kind of ugly stuff. And from that point forward, Tyson, I decided I'm going to write a book.

Christopher Earley 00:10:24 I actually wrote the book. I said, oh, you know, I got a book now, this is good. I then I hired a writing coach who was fantastic. She said, you're gonna rewrite this sucker because this this isn't a book. This is, this is not. This is terrible. What are you.

Multiple Speakers 00:10:37 Thinking? I was like, really? Like, this is terrible. We're gonna rewrite this.

Tyson Mutrux 00:10:42 And plug your. Plug your writing coach. Let's get her.

Multiple Speakers 00:10:44 Name Danielle.

Christopher Earley 00:10:45 Anderson, out of Minnesota and science Tyson. We stumble into lucky relationships, and that was the best writing coach I could have hired. Well worth the investment, because if you're trying to write a book, you can't just. Like I was, I was a hack. Like I was a hack lawyer for a while. Then I got coaching, right? Professional coaching while I was a hack writer until I got professional writing coaching. So she was worth every freaking penny. And she kicked my ass up and down the street for, like, a year.

Christopher Earley 00:11:14 But it was worth it, right? And that's that's why I sent you my books. I knew you have a wide audience, and there's people in that audience that need to, I believe, get real and share their story if they're comfortable or at least work on the stuff that we all have. You know, my favorite people have had a much worse than me. I can only speak to my situation, but that's why I sent you that book, because I was hoping, hopefully, to get into the hands of someone who can get some value from that and hopefully make a difference. Maybe it'll impact them a little bit.

Tyson Mutrux 00:11:45 What's the purpose behind the name or what's the meaning behind the name?

Multiple Speakers 00:11:48 I don't want to give too much. So. Well, basically.

Christopher Earley 00:11:51 I was, I was, I was in therapy. and there was, there was a figurine on the wall. He was scaling a wall of rope. He was like just a figurine. And and I had a breakthrough in a therapy session.

Christopher Earley 00:12:07 I saw that guy on that wall, that figure, and I said, that's me. I'm climbing. I'm scaling this wall with this backpack on me. Of all this stuff that's weighing me down from being the husband, the father I should be, the person I should be and deserve to be. and so that's how I call it scaling the wall, because it sort of hit me like on that guy. And I, and I encourage the audience, like, I wrote that not to make a buck. I'm sure I'm losing money on the deal, but I wrote it because I had that itch. And so I encourage anyone, please reach out to me. I'm happy to send you a free copy. you can text me. I'm happy to give you my cell number, but I really want to send up. I send that book out Tyson, all the time because I want people to, potentially be impacted in a positive way. That's to me success, right? Like being a P.I. lawyer, it's wonderful.

Christopher Earley 00:12:53 I love it, but there's gotta be something more behind that. And that to me is trying to make an impact. Now, just today, I was at a Massachusetts bar association talking to law students, just trying to pay it forward a little bit and trying to share, you know, my journey of struggle and how with time, we kind of slowly figure some stuff out and get traction and try to do my best to help people out.

Tyson Mutrux 00:13:13 How long was the process to from like that moment and then when? And maybe this isn't the right way of putting it, but to when the load was lightened. Maybe the load is never lightened, and maybe you just have to deal. Tools have to deal with it, but I well, how long did that process take though.

Christopher Earley 00:13:30 Of like healing? Yeah, yeah. So I met my wife and she was like, so she, like me, comes from an alcoholic background. So she and I really hit it off quick, like, I was like, this woman gets me.

Christopher Earley 00:13:40 I can get down with her. Like, she's really cool. And so I fell in love with her. And then we got married. We have two kids, but she would put a mirror in front of my face, Tyson. I'd be like, this is. This is. You're angry. You need to work on stuff. You have no idea what you have to work with. You don't even know it because I didn't. I thought everything was okay. But when you have a partner hold you accountable, you. You either can do the work or lose that partner. And I don't want to lose my partner.

Tyson Mutrux 00:14:05 Well, let's stick on that for a second, because what I think the reactions could be one of a few things, right? You someone holds up the mirror and you push back and say, no, you're the problem, right? They hold up the mirror. You say, okay, you're right. I need to do the problem. I need to fix myself. Or maybe a third one is that you just know, I just ignore, just tune everything out.

Tyson Mutrux 00:14:27 Right. And I, I wonder what your. When she first started to hold up the mirror, what your reaction was like.

Christopher Earley 00:14:34 What are you talking about? You don't know what you don't know. I was like, you know, I got my stuff together. I'm a lawyer. I got a business. I've made it out of a dysfunctional environment. I've succeeded when I should have failed. Like, what are you talking about? She's like, no, dude. Like you're screwed up. Like, love you. But you gotta you gotta talk to someone. And so my book chronicles my failed attempts to find that. Right therapist. So we go back to that theme we've talked about is finding that right fit, right, with a business coach or writing coach with the therapist in my in my situation, I need to find, you know, the right therapist that could really understand me again, jive with me. And he was my contemporary, my age and we hit it off. But it took me a long time.

Christopher Earley 00:15:12 I went through like 4 or 5 therapists. My wife is like, dude, you got to stick with someone. At some point. I was like, I'm trying, I'm trying. So for anyone who's interested in therapy or, you know, trying therapy, I, I personally have found it helpful. But whatever it takes for you to find that piece, because I think that's what we all want is peace. And just like because this profession, you know, I know everyone listening knows it's hard as hell. I was talking about this earlier at this bar association meeting. It'll it'll erode you if you're not careful. There's a lot of lawyers as we speak here. You and I are being eroded by the profession and being ugly profession sometimes. So to me, I didn't want to be eroded, so I didn't want to lose my wife. and my book chronicles my father's, you know, total self-destructive path, like going from literally a high level executive to a panhandler, which I witnessed as a kid.

Christopher Earley 00:16:01 So I had all this scar tissue, but I didn't even know what.

Multiple Speakers 00:16:03 I thought, like, yeah.

Christopher Earley 00:16:04 I'm screwed up, but I'm not like, that bad. I'm fine. But my wife is like, no, like it's time to talk to someone. So I did that. And so but again, I was a late bloomer. I was like 40 when I was, you know, having that epiphany of, you can be I'm having a lighter life of not being so weighed down by this crap. You know, you don't have to live life encumbered, any longer. So once I realized that, that I kind of made it out that my dad would be proud, I was like, okay, it ties. And I started crying in the strings office because it hit me this profound, like lightness, like, oh my God, like, you've made it. You can now, you know, stop being so angry and bitter towards the world because I would fight defense lawyers. I would want to poke a fight with strangers, like, kind of crazy stuff.

Christopher Earley 00:16:45 Now I meditate. You know, now I.

Multiple Speakers 00:16:49 Know I'm like a different.

Christopher Earley 00:16:50 Dude, but, like, long, ugly road of work, man, you know?

Tyson Mutrux 00:16:55 Yeah. Did you before she held the mirror up, did you? Did you start to notice the stuff yourself? And you, you were ignoring it? Or is this something that you just you didn't know was happening?

Christopher Earley 00:17:06 A little bit of both. Somewhere in the middle, maybe. Like, I knew I had stuff going on, but it's like, hey, I got, I got, I went to law school like I did pretty good. We're doing okay.

Multiple Speakers 00:17:15 Here.

Christopher Earley 00:17:15 We just we hung a shingle, we got clients, we got a business like, no, everything's cool. Yeah, but that was a masking like the reality that's what I wrote about in the book is on the outside, I look like success. On the inside. I was like a failure. I honest, I wrote a lot. The challenge, I think, in that book was not telling other people's stories who were involved in the story, because it's not fair, but at the same time telling your story accurately.

Christopher Earley 00:17:40 So that book I had to I had to talk honestly about life experiences that don't share other people's story, but shares my story again, that involves other people. So somebody's painful decisions cried a lot during the writing, as you mentioned. and as you assume correctly, yes, there was there was crying and, you know, but it's.

Multiple Speakers 00:18:00 Really.

Christopher Earley 00:18:00 Amazing what the book has done to open up doors is of opportunities to impact kids. That's my kind of gets me going, is like talking to kids about growing up in alcoholic environments and sharing and, you know, just super humbled that and screw up. But again, this is like constant work, man. I gotta I meditate every day like I put the work and it's so boring. It's so hard.

Tyson Mutrux 00:18:24 I don't know if this is a fair question. So tell me if it's not. actually, I'm going to ask it a different way because I don't want to I don't want to put you on a spot, but.

Multiple Speakers 00:18:33 I don't mind. Do you.

Tyson Mutrux 00:18:35 Would you recommend would you recommend that if if you're married that both of you goes to see a therapist.

Christopher Earley 00:18:42 Perhaps. I think it depends. A very lawyer answer. I think it depends. Right. it was I, I gained great, like I said, traction from it.

Multiple Speakers 00:18:52 But but marriage is hard.

Christopher Earley 00:18:55 Like having kids is hard, and the whole deal is super hard. But I think it's worth it.

Multiple Speakers 00:18:59 But but yeah, 100%.

Christopher Earley 00:19:00 Like, I don't see why not. Like my wife had done some stuff independently before she met me, you know, on her own self with therapy and she got great results. But 100%, I think there's a big benefit in that. Instead of just like maintaining the status quo of self-destructive behavior. Because again, we both know there's a lot of lawyers that are self-destructive and maybe don't even know it. That's why Tyson like, I love this profession, but it can be. It could be nasty. It could be tough on us. We we put so much weight on us and but then so I was that guy, I was I almost I was like a badge of honor.

Christopher Earley 00:19:33 It's like, you know, I can be like a prick, you know, and like, that's like fighting for my clients. Advocating. Well, but no, it's like, kind of in it's not really effective advocacy because you're not seeing clearly. You're so like seeing red all the time. And when I was in some like I wasn't punch going to people punching in the face like stuff like that. But it was like it was definitely like toeing the line, with defense counsel, with, the situations. I could have handled that differently, you know. But but yeah.

Tyson Mutrux 00:20:01 So I'm gonna I give you an experience I had last year and I had I got an email from an attorney. We had, we had named the wrong defendant. Okay. That's it was one of those things where it was, it was a the entity name was identical, but there was like one little bit annoying, right? Right. So but I got an email and then I sent a very nice response. And then the it went from a, a level of one.

Tyson Mutrux 00:20:33 And, and her response to me was like a ten. Okay. And I'm thinking and I and I swear to you, I looked up her email to see if maybe she and I had had some sort of run in before that. I had, like, pissed her off and I'm like, I'm like never and never spoken to the person before. It was such an irrational response to my email, I couldn't understand it. So I and there is someone bringing this up is have you since had run ins with other attorneys that were so used to being you, being the asshole that they're treating you a certain way until they start to realize that there's a new Chris?

Christopher Earley 00:21:07 Yeah, but just going back to your example, like she wasn't mad at you, right? Like you had nothing to do with it. That her issue that day, you were just the object of scorn for misplaced anger. It wasn't you at all. But it was. It sounds like you didn't. But you didn't take the bait.

Christopher Earley 00:21:23 See, I would have liked.

Tyson Mutrux 00:21:24 Hell, no, I did.

Christopher Earley 00:21:25 I would have salivate and take that bait years ago, like, oh, you want to fight? Like, okay, like screw you. But like that to me sounds like an angry, unhappy lawyer. I'm sorry to say. It sounds.

Tyson Mutrux 00:21:33 Like. Well, you know, you know why I didn't? It was a right around this time that I learned that people that are like that. It could be something that's going on in their life, or some people just they get their joy from the reaction.

Christopher Earley 00:21:48 Yeah.

Tyson Mutrux 00:21:49 Yeah. So I was I stopped giving people the reaction. Yeah. As what it was. And so that was a big it was right around the time I learned that. And that's the way it normally I probably would have really popped off and reacted. But I said, no, I'm not doing it well.

Christopher Earley 00:22:01 But then you confused people. It's like, oh he's not pissed. Like and then you're, you're you're you're it's like ninja style disarming someone in a fight.

Christopher Earley 00:22:08 It's like, I'm not gonna swing back like like why? Why are you supposed to. So that's like that's elevated lawyering, right? Like how what does it do for your client to get hot at that lawyer? Like, how does that advance your client or yourself in the case? Like, nothing. That's just nothing. That's a waste of energy. So but again, I see I mean, like, you know, when I get those emails, sometimes I'm like, you know, screw you. But we we pause. Right. So like, I want to just impress upon the listener of the pause. For me, it was so important. Like learning how to pause and not like fire off a level 45 email to that level ten email, like pausing is so important. before you react. And when I learned that pause, it was like a child learning a new, you know, life skill. Oh my God, that's amazing. I'm so happy to hear this and learn this. The pause is really important in this profession because you will be triggered and and pissed off by things.

Christopher Earley 00:23:02 You'll have setbacks, right? You're gonna punch in the face in this profession. You know, you and I, both entrepreneurs, always constantly getting hit in the face, right? We keep getting up, we be resilient, we battle. But I think you have to sort of withstand those blows, but not make it harder than you need to. Like. That's why I talk about this weight shedding, this weight of of trauma. Yeah. The trauma. This stuff is sticky. It's still, you know, a lot of people listen to this have trauma, right. And and it's not going anywhere unless you do that work. I call it like, it's very sticky. It sticks around. But sometimes that trauma like cements as you get older, at least for me, and gets hardened and hardened Hardened. It's hard to break. Break that out the older you get. So when you combine being a trauma, being traumatized, being a lawyer, recipe for disaster because you're just like pissed and angry and maladjusted.

Christopher Earley 00:23:52 But I love your example of that email, because we all get those emails all the time, and it doesn't have to be email. It could be exchanged. The courthouse like a rude comment. You get to take the bait. That's like the cheap way to go about. But you didn't. You were like, no, I'm cool. Like, let's just, you know, not a big deal. But I just, I get those emails all the time. And I was like, all right, this person is just pissed off at something other than me. That's not my problem. I got enough stuff. I don't need to deal with that person's problem.

Tyson Mutrux 00:24:18 Can you give us some other tools that you use? You'd mentioned meditation. What are some other tools you use to keep the column?

Christopher Earley 00:24:24 Do you meditate or. No.

Tyson Mutrux 00:24:26 I was I had this conversation with a guest earlier. I, I said I wanted to get better. He said it's not about getting better, it's just about doing it.

Tyson Mutrux 00:24:34 And I said, okay, that's fair. And so no I don't I need I will start I have not started but I will start.

Christopher Earley 00:24:41 No, it's cool, but like I'm not a preacher. It's like you might like. Whatever. People just define that space, right? Space to me is a really big word I never really learned new about until meditation. So some people like chess, frisbee, swimming, like whatever the hell gives you that space. Because again, I hate to say it again, this professional drag you down. At least guys and gals like me who are very flawed to begin with walking into the profession. So meditation. I just want to share a quick story on how I started meditating I think may resonate. I was brushing my teeth and this is kind of when I was like kind of a hack lawyer. I just had a rough shod practice. I was brushing my teeth one night and occurred to me, Holy shit, I think I missed a statute. And so you have to understand, Tyson, I was, wrapped up in catastrophe thinking all the time because seeing my father's demise and other people's demise is very close to my life.

Christopher Earley 00:25:29 I was always ready for disaster, and I was primed to think negatively. So I'm like, oh, shit, I'm gonna lose my license. I'm gonna get disbarred. The the boards. The bar board is going to be all over me. It's over. Chris and I looked at them and I'm like, dude, you got to figure this out like you are a ball of stress. So I went to my man cave and was like, I'm gonna try meditation. I don't know what the hell this is, but I'm gonna try it. So I started doing it, just sitting down with my thoughts. This is like five years ago, and ever since I meditate, I meditated. Yet today, because it's been a busy day. But I'm gonna make it a point, you know, ten minutes a day, every day to get centered. It does such. My career has really taken off, I think Tyson largely in many ways due to meditation, because I need to play a bigger game.

Christopher Earley 00:26:09 It's not just all about like being a P.I. lawyer. For me. I need more than that. I need to be lit up more than that. So I find great, great benefit in having space, carving out space. And so there are times where it occurs to me, I brush my teeth. Hey, did I mess that up? But it's not so dire. I'm not going to lose my license. I'm not gonna, you know, go, go. My 2000, 10,000 on it. It's like, no, you didn't miss a statute. And frankly, that situation I talked about wasn't even an issue. But but it was a that was a blessing because it brought me to meditation. So then I layered in, I think I took this from Ben Glass journaling. I write down three things that I'm grateful for, for yesterday, and I now write down every day affirmations because I have to work on this or else I can get kind of negative. So like I literally write Tyson, like I am abundant or like I am humble, I am sharing, I am generous, like stuff like that, because I need to like, do this work.

Christopher Earley 00:27:06 It sounds cheesy, but like your brain starts to like believe in the subconscious and all this stuff really starts to believe it. And then you start, your behavior changes. it's been very helpful.

Tyson Mutrux 00:27:17 So there is.

Multiple Speakers 00:27:20 A decent man. We're going super deep.

Tyson Mutrux 00:27:23 Well, we're going to go we're about to go deeper in a second. That's why I'm debating whether or not I should go which way I should go at this point. But I, I have a so I work with Jason Silk and he is so he has I've got the same yms right. So I've got all that and I. If you would ask me when I first started my career, if that was the thing I would ever do and I would say, you're out of your mind. That's nonsense. And it really does have an effect. And so anyone that is skeptical, I promise you, I was just like you. And it really is effective. so here's where we're going to go a little deeper.

Christopher Earley 00:27:57 Great.

Tyson Mutrux 00:27:58 I'll tell you another another little quick story and then I'll ask my question.

Tyson Mutrux 00:28:01 But I whenever I was applying to law schools, I remember going around to different booths at different like law school type events and asking like admissions offices, like, hey, what are you looking for? And they were it was really interesting. And you would read samples that they would show you, and it was all about being a victim. It was it was a really interesting thing. We were like, but by that I mean, like there was always something bad talk about this bad thing that happened to you. And I remember when I wrote mine, I couldn't come up with anything bad. I remember thinking, like, everything. I was like, I have, I've had a great life. And it's it's weird to me, like over the last, you know, 16 years ago or so where there's been this really push towards this victimhood mindset. And but now you're starting to see lots and lots of studies come out about how, how that can to being stuck in that mindset, how negative that can be on your life.

Tyson Mutrux 00:29:03 And so even in what's what's happened, especially with social media, because you have all these people that get attention for like the negative videos they have like almost like you had to like develop this negative thing about themselves. That's not true. But they feel like they have to do it and how negative it can be. But it makes me think about people like you that could easily have that, because you had a really, really tough childhood that you could force yourself to live in, that instead you forced yourself out of it. Yes. So I wonder what your your thoughts are on that. Almost like. And I don't know who's pushing or where it's coming from. But on the whole, this, this trend over the last 15 years or so where it's about been about victimhood. So I wonder if you have any thoughts on.

Multiple Speakers 00:29:48 That, right.

Christopher Earley 00:29:49 Almost like trying to win like the trauma Olympics. Like like I had so bad and like all this stuff. Right? I completely hear that. So I, I, I had it hard, but I still had luck.

Christopher Earley 00:30:02 Right. So like, it's all about how you look at things. Like, I was actually pretty lucky. Like, if you think about it, like John Morgan, you know, I, I, I've had lunch with him. He's been he's become basically like kind of a friend I guess like and I've learned a lot from him and he comes from poverty and he's a billionaire. And so he just sort of like assumed he was going to be successful. And I had, you know, probably many ways easier than him. Right. So I, I bring that up because it's like, what What are you gonna. Are you a victim or not? Right. It's like there's. I think it's a binary thing. It's like either or. So I just. I didn't want to fail. So I looked at my father's demise, and I was like, I can't go. I can't fail like him, I don't. And so that was like rocket fuel of motivation. And so I wasn't going to be a I couldn't but I got out a lot.

Christopher Earley 00:30:54 So like, you know, in law school we bury our heads or sort of like in a different world, like we're sort of moved from society. We're so many times isolated. So I came to law school and I was like, oh, man. Like, I got a lot of stuff I got to deal with. I met my wife and that that really helped propel some changes. But yeah, it's easy Tyson to be like, oh, I'm a victim. I grew up this way. I should repeat, I statistically should have failed. You're probably gonna drop out and but I think my mom sort of pressed the right buttons on the, on the keyboard there when she was trying to help me program a positive mindset. So I sit here today is a very lucky man, you know, born to the United States, you know, You're born into a family that. Yeah, we had problems, but like, a lot of families have problems. So it's all about how you look at it, right? But that's why I talked about like, mindset and how you think, you know, I started I was a scarcity lawyer for a while.

Christopher Earley 00:31:43 Right. Like, if you said a big case, that's one case that I'm not going to settle. So like, I'm almost like, jealous of you, you know, like to be real with you. And I was like that for many years. Like he's held a $5 million case like that guy. You're serious now? It's like, I'm like, good for him. But I'm like, there's a lot of 5 million cases out there, frankly. Like, there's so much abundance. So I don't want to go. I'm sorry. I don't want to get to who you hear. But, like, I was a scarcity lawyer thinking negatively. But I wasn't gonna let victimization make me a victim forever. I wasn't going to let that stuff come back in the day. Tether me forever. That's why I went to therapy, got going and tried to shed that weight from that backpack, scaling that wall. But it's all like a choice we make, in terms of what we're going to do.

Christopher Earley 00:32:26 But but I know a lot of people suffer. That's why I kind of wrote the book is like and Tyson. The hard thing about the book is like, I'm really kind of like, naked and exposed. Like I'm thinking, like, first off, I'm thinking, who's gonna want to read this thing? Like, who the hell cares about Early's situation as a kid and teenage years? Like, who really cares? I if anyone takes nothing away from this conversation that you end up having to let them take away, to be vulnerable, to embrace the to be willing to be vulnerable because that book is like my ultimate vulnerability, right? When you're vulnerable with your team, your team members, when you walk in the office, you're like, you know, having a tough day. I don't mean like going like crazy here, but like being vulnerable with clients, like, you know, Tyson, when I, you know, me with a client, I can give them that book. It's like kind of street cred.

Christopher Earley 00:33:11 Like, I'm not some lawyer in Ivory tower. I'm on your level, and I understand getting over stuff. So it's like, you know, they they don't have to hire me, but they're gonna get a lawyer who's, you know, very sober and grounded on on, on, on on feeling very blessed and having overcome some stuff. So I think vulnerability man is like a superpower. Like legit.

Tyson Mutrux 00:33:37 It reminds me of that Brené Brown quote about vulnerability. It's not about winning or losing. It's about having that courage to show up and be seen when we really have no control over the outcome. That's that's what it reminds me of. And so that's a shame. Obviously, Brené Brown talks a lot about vulnerability and everything. And I'm glad you brought that up, because I wanted to know how much in your marketing or when you were dealing with clients. You you deal with vulnerability and how you really kind of expose your wounds. So when it comes to like putting yourself out there and marketing, do you do you how vulnerable do you get?

Christopher Earley 00:34:14 I love that question, man.

Christopher Earley 00:34:15 So super quick. I was at a conference like five years ago and and this conference speaker got up and he's like, hey, share your story. And I was like, what? He's like, sure. Should I put a post on social media? Share who you really are as a person. I was like, okay. And Tyson, I had never shared I have friends. Back then, they wouldn't even know my story. Like my wife, she knows everything, but people close to me didn't even know. So I was like, all right. Like, I'll just rant about, you know, some stuff that happened and I'll put it on social. I was in this dingy hotel room and I put up this post on Instagram. I woke up and it was like Tyson, a flood of like, Holy shit, man. Like this is I had no idea. Chris it was like a groundbreaking. I was like, Holy smokes, I was I was at the Atlanta airport. I started to cry because I looked at my phone.

Christopher Earley 00:35:01 I was like, Holy smokes. my wife was like, I'm so proud of you for, for for sharing. And then I was like, oh, wow. Because, like, you don't know what you're gonna get, like when you're naked, right? Like the Brené Brown quote, you know, you don't know what's going to come of it, but you're gonna do it. That's strength. That's strong. That's leadership. Right. And so I'm sitting there like crying, like, put on my hat down. Someone sees me, but I'm like, wow. And that Tyson changed everything. Right. You know, this goes back to, you know, Ben Glass, who I owe a lot of success, my success to, like, teaching me. There's a different way to to do this thing. I started to share, and that culminated in the book. But, like, your clients don't care, I see. You know, you and I, Tyson, see all this lawyer marketing that's cringeworthy.

Christopher Earley 00:35:51 It's like, oh, man, I got this big settlement. Look at my great review. I'm like, no one gives a shit about that. How are you a human being just like them? And how can you help them? Because they don't care about you as a lawyer. They care about you as a person. When they can understand you as a person, then it's like, oh, you know, Tyson, that's the work he does. I'm gonna refer my case I trust, like I know who I'm dealing with with that guy. And so with the book, with scaling the wall, I sent it to all my new clients. So they literally know who they signed up as their attorney. Like, they literally know my story. And if they read, they're like, this guy's a freaking trainer. I gotta want him. That's all good. Like abundance. There's plenty of people who want. Early is plenty. People who don't. I'm cool with that. Don't try to be everything to everybody, because then you're really nothing, I feel like.

Christopher Earley 00:36:35 Right. Does that make sense?

Tyson Mutrux 00:36:37 It does. It's funny. I mean, I've been preaching for years about, like, people don't care about your big verdicts and they don't care about your big settlements. They don't. And here's the thing. My my worry is, is that some people might hear that as, oh, you're just jealous. No I'm not. I have plenty of them I have. And you know what? I I've got a very successful firm for sure. You don't hear me bragging about it because people don't care about that. They don't connect with it. Especially so, like, I came from no money. And I can tell you if I'm posting about that stuff, I guarantee what they're talking about behind my back is, oh, like Tyson doesn't remember where he came from. Yeah. Guarantee that it was. But if I instead talk about something I'm doing with my kids or like there's one the most embarrassing post I ever did. It's it was like my eye. We dressed up every.

Tyson Mutrux 00:37:27 So every year for Christmas we have a little parade we do in our neighborhood that our family puts on. Cool. And I'm wearing these tights and like, as, like Buddy the elf, you know. Yeah. And it's so embarrassing. But I get so many comments about things like that. And so it's like, that's what they care about. They don't care about your settlements. They don't care about your verdicts but don't care people. Some people just don't. They don't care either. They just want to keep posting them. But I wish they would stop because I think people would like you way more if you just. If you're a little more, share more of the personal side and less of the people viewed as bragging as what they do.

Christopher Earley 00:37:58 Yeah, no, but I love that story. You know, and and because people resonate with that like, oh, he's a dad just like me. You know, he's acting silly. Just like I play with my kids or whatever. Like, you know, we're all, you know, can can relate to that.

Christopher Earley 00:38:10 But I think we're such a stodgy profession that, like, what are you doing putting that on social media, man. Like, like your story. Like, you know, dressing up is like, what, are you crazy? I'm sorry, but I think that's like the default sentiment. It's late. That's too. Too much. Like you're a lawyer. It's like, I don't know, I'm a person. And, like, that's the beauty of being an entrepreneur. So we can, like, do what we want, how we want to do it. It's a it's a beautiful. That's the, the the the prize we get for the risks we take I feel like is the autonomy. But anyway, I'm, you know, I, I'm going to venture to say a couple people. Listen, follow me on LinkedIn. I'm very heavy on LinkedIn. If I just want to share, if you want to get a if you want to get a good results, traction on LinkedIn, be real and vulnerable.

Christopher Earley 00:38:54 It's a perfect forum for lawyers to cut through the noise on the big ass settlements and the big ass chest pounding. It's like, no, like be real. I share twice and I have like, I post on LinkedIn every day for like four years, times, twice a day. It gives you such track. It's such a great medium to be a real vulnerable lawyer. And for years I was like, oh, LinkedIn, LinkedIn. Like, that's where you put your resume. Like it's not a no, it's blowing up. But now like and different platforms are different. Instagram I don't get the traction I get like on LinkedIn cause LinkedIn is very buttoned up professional. So when you cut through with a little bit of vulnerability and realness and giving and sharing your how screwed up yours sometimes and your mistakes that that gets traction. Relationships opportunities like this bar association thing I did today that that was because of LinkedIn relationships on LinkedIn.

Tyson Mutrux 00:39:44 Oh, nice. So I had a funny post where I, I don't I can't remember what it was.

Tyson Mutrux 00:39:51 It was a Halloween a couple of years ago. And I remember I posted it on X and I posted it on LinkedIn and I think I posted on Facebook, I get great results on Facebook, great results on on X, and then on LinkedIn it got oh, people hated it. Yeah. It was it was you know, I was kind of joking. It was like a joking one about something with a jack o lantern, and I can't remember exactly what the post is about, but I was I was kind of beating up on insurance defense attorneys, but not like in a mean way. It was like, you know, joking. Yeah. And holy hell. I got some responses that people were not happy with. It was so funny to me how different the the the responses were by platform. That to me is so fascinating. So I wonder whenever you're messaging, you're sending out messages. Like what I mean is like your message when you're putting out your message, do you? Do you tailor it for the platform that you're using? Like do you change it for Facebook versus like X or.

Christopher Earley 00:40:48 Really good.

Tyson Mutrux 00:40:48 Or whatever?

Christopher Earley 00:40:49 No, that's not important to be kind of not tone deaf because they're all totally different mediums, totally different. It's like one person analogized. It's like walking into different parties. The LinkedIn part is a little bit more like people were in suits and like, you know, little against stodgy Instagrams, kind of like party, you know? Facebook gave me a little bit of an older demographic, you know, skewing older, a little less party atmosphere. Right. so know what room you're in. But here's something I've, you know, learned that's nothing groundbreaking. If something performs well on LinkedIn, I'm definitely putting that bad boy on Instagram, right? Definitely gonna make a story, a post, because that's going to get some lift and a quick SEO thing, right? As AI gets more and more prevalent, you need to be prevalent on social. Like your name has got to be disseminated on social. You have to. Your knowingness has to be over increasing I feel like so definitely post be active.

Christopher Earley 00:41:41 but I, you know, Tyson, there's so many lawyers that are kind of scared LinkedIn to get real. But I'm so past that, you know, I don't care if you want to get results. LinkedIn seek to inspire and not be cheesy, but try to be like share your failures and how that helped you succeed. Like, people love inspiration because we're all getting kicked in the in the face all the time. Like, it's nice to hear these stories of getting off the mat and finding some success. But but now to go back to your question a few minutes ago, like vulnerability, authentic marketing is the way I know that's been hackneyed. It's a trite concept in recent years. I don't think it's ever going to go out of style. I think you really have to, show up as a as a person like who you are, because I think that brings you a better career going to have, like, clients who are down with you and know who they're dealing with, and they're probably going to give you less problems because they know who you are as a person, not just some lawyer.

Christopher Earley 00:42:36 you know, it's less of a transaction, more of a relationship. So I encourage the practitioner, create relationships with your clients, try to get a little real with them, show them a silly side, dressing up like an elf, like they're all gonna remember that stuff. Try to be like, not so lawyer, like, all the time.

Tyson Mutrux 00:42:54 Yeah, that's that's anytime I can not be a lawyer. I always love whenever I get the, someone like a client will come in the office. I'm wearing jeans or something, like. Yeah, like, oh, my God, I didn't expect you wear jeans. They're like, well, that's all you're going to get with me unless we're going to court. Yeah.

Christopher Earley 00:43:07 Do you like it, buddy?

Tyson Mutrux 00:43:09 Jesus is as nice as I go. Okay. It's like I'm wearing, like, athleisure wear right now is what I'm wearing. Shorts is where we weren't otherwise, I wonder when you when you wrote scaling the wall and you saw your story on paper.

Tyson Mutrux 00:43:25 Did anything surprise you?

Christopher Earley 00:43:29 Not really. I was scared. I was scared about the reaction. I was concerned what people close to me would think. I was scared nobody would care. But then it's like it wasn't. It was the other way. It was like that moved me. it's it's like people know who you are. Then it's like this. This. It breaks down barriers, like, oh, I know who that guy is, really is, you know, messed up just like I am. Like, that's what we're talking about here is just being human being. Yeah. We provide legal services. But like we said, beginning this is more just like being being real and honest in who you are. Like not fronting, like not putting on airs, just being real. I think people connect with that for sure. My career has gotten so much better, man. Just being real, authentic.

Tyson Mutrux 00:44:17 Do you when you look at the before Chris in the after Chris. and that's how that's how you make let's fight a little bit different.

Tyson Mutrux 00:44:27 Did if you think about like back about your day, your typical day and your day now, does it look different?

Christopher Earley 00:44:36 yeah. Like I'm, I'm more relaxed, like I.

Tyson Mutrux 00:44:39 And so I'll make sure I'm clear about this. I want to make sure. Is it the is the structure of the day different. Like did you, do you go home earlier now? Did you spend more time with the office before. Can you talk about that part of it or is it just strictly a mindset shift?

Christopher Earley 00:44:52 a lot of mindset. I think mindset is like the secret sauce to anything worth doing, like having a good, healthy mindset. And this is a battle for me. It's not like some like early you got to figure it out. No. Like always trying to have a healthy, you know, healthy mindset. and but, you know, once I had an epiphany about six years ago, caveman, you know, finding fire. That analogy I got into time management, got into delegation hiring so I can have more time with my family.

Christopher Earley 00:45:18 Go on vacations, not checking email, not being tethered to the office, thinking, being like for me, disruptive from the norm for attorneys, right? The more you're different from everyone else, I think the more satisfaction you can have in this career. You know, Dan Kennedy, I've learned a lot from Dan Kennedy, right? He says, you know, whatever the majority is doing, go run the other way. Sprint the other way. Right. This.

Tyson Mutrux 00:45:43 Yeah. This reminds me of a really good. I'm so glad you said what you said, because I actually thought you were going to say something different. But your your answer reminds me of a of a video I saw yesterday. And it was a guy talking about something he had told his daughter, and it was the it was it was the whole video was about like self-worth. But it was he was he told her, okay, take your car. She had she had an old car, take your car to the dealership. And I want you to tell them how much it's worth.

Tyson Mutrux 00:46:12 She comes back crying. She's all upset. They only told me it's worth this. And they were. They said there's a scratch there. And it's it's got so many miles and all these things that are bad with it. And he said, okay, now I want you to take it. And I can't remember the other place, the second place, what it was. But she took it there and they said, you know, they didn't like it. They said it was, you know, dinged up and too old and yada yada yada. And he said, okay, now I want you to take it one more last place. I want you to take it. There's this old classic car show. I want you to take it down there. And she comes back and she says, oh my gosh, dad, they loved it. It was amazing. This was incredible. They said, you know, yeah, I had a he had some character and all these great things about it. And he was talking about how well, see, it's not it's not really about you.

Tyson Mutrux 00:46:58 It's about the room that you're in now. The way, the way I guess the way this would apply to to you. It's it's not the way your day is structured. It's the way you view your day. And I think that and I think that's really interesting about what you said, because I thought for sure you were going to say because that's what people focus on is like, okay, you should time block and you should leave at a certain time and you should go do this and you should have a hobby. But the reality is, is that it's just a shift in your mindset, and you change your mindset and all. That's all that. It doesn't matter what your day looks like.

Christopher Earley 00:47:27 Yeah. The shift right. Intentional. Just really shifting in a, in a in a positive direction of like again, this is what I learned years ago that I've taken with me. Is that like, again, you can be a happy lawyer, but you better be damn sure and clear on I'm willing to do the work right to get there.

Christopher Earley 00:47:44 Like, what's your destination? Where are you trying to get to? I know where I'm trying to get my firm. I know what I want from my family. Family to get from this business, what I want from family, to get this very crystal clear path. Like, I think it's important to to have that clarity on, like where we're trying to get to and being intentional. I was just talking again, lawyers earlier today. I said, you know, a lot of us, you know, who work in 12 hour days can probably get that work done in six hours. Like we're always saying, no, I'm, you know, tethered to the office. I can't no like, bull bullshit. Like, you could get so much done in a day. Like by time. You just said time blogging, being efficient, that's gonna make your life happier. You're not, like, working so much, but I think all of us try to kill ourselves. Work so freaking hard. Like, you don't need to do that anymore.

Christopher Earley 00:48:24 Like, if that's. That's no longer, you know. What's that expression? That law is a jealous mistress. That's old school baby, right? That's not like today. It doesn't need to be that way. We don't need to be that way anymore.

Tyson Mutrux 00:48:38 Yeah. It's, It's like that Albert Schweitzer quote. Success isn't the key to happiness. Happiness is the key. Key to success. Okay? It's that's a that's a really it's a really good quote. Something that, that reminds me of, Okay. So I know I, we only have a little bit of time left, but I, I know you don't want to give away too much of the book, but we want to make sure we pass the message on to as many people as possible. Right? Is if you could pick one thing, one lesson from the book that people should pick up if they're not able to read the book. Right, what's what's one thing that they one take away? You can give them that if they only listen to this part of the episode that you really want them to know.

Christopher Earley 00:49:23 Heal your pain. Like whatever it is, heal it. Because it's I can tell you, I have a PhD and like being weighed down by ugly stuff. Trauma, right? Like, heal that pain. Because we all have pain. Some are different than others. We're all pained. But like, how can you be an advocate for people who are going through pain if you're not dealing with your own stuff, how can you be a healthy advocate right for your clients if you're not processing what you got to get through? You know some of it have much worse than me, much, much more severe. But we're all we're all similar in that we have to heal that pain. That, to me, really was like an epiphany that got me going and a much better direction.

Tyson Mutrux 00:50:02 Kris, thank you so much. The book is Scaling the Wall One Man's Journey of Healing childhood Trauma to find fulfillment and success. I'm assuming people can find it on Amazon.

Christopher Earley 00:50:11 Yeah, but look, I legit would love to offer send it to you for free, you know? Can I get my cell number? Is that okay or.

Christopher Earley 00:50:16 No.

Tyson Mutrux 00:50:16 You can. I was going to say if people don't reach out to you, give. Give Chris early and give, give out yourself.

Christopher Earley 00:50:22 Yes. Famous last words. My cell. I would love you to text me if you send me text you, me, your name and your best mailing address. I'll send the. I'll send a copy to you. I send out, I've sent out 200 copies this year. I love the work. I'm proud of the work I want to share. The work hopefully inspires someone to maybe write their book and help others and share it with someone who could benefit from the book. Text me. Call me by my cell at 61795625016179562501I love these conversations. Your podcast is freaking awesome. I'm on a lot of podcasts. You're a very good you're a very good interviewer, a very good host. You do a very nice job. I want to tell you that.

Tyson Mutrux 00:51:01 I appreciate that. That means a lot.

Christopher Earley 00:51:03 That legit legit. You're good. So keep doing your good work, man.

Christopher Earley 00:51:06 It's awesome.

Tyson Mutrux 00:51:07 Thanks, Chris. Really appreciate it.

Christopher Earley 00:51:08 Thank you.