Emotional Attachment

When we connect to God 
With ALL our heart, soul, mind & strength
We will connect to our neighbor
As we connect to our self

What is Discipling By Jesus?

The only real answer is Jesus.
The only real problem is Sin.
The only real work is the Cross.
In the end, we only have Him.

Discipling by Jesus (DBJ) is a group "co-devotional" practice for encountering the crucified Christ. By working through His Word & Spirit, Body & Blood we explore greater depths of the Father’s love as we surrender to the Holy Spirit.

time,name,content
2023-01-28 10:03:22.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Good morning.
2023-01-28 10:03:25.2 PST,Robby Butler,Good morning.
2023-01-28 10:03:27.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hey, yeah, I've been trying to wrap my head around this for a while. So, I wanted to record it even if we're not able to use it publicly."
2023-01-28 10:03:34.2 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:03:36.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, I feel like I said something that I've been trying to say for a while and think clearly about and it looks like it may have resonated with you or at least provoked some thoughts. So, if you have the time, I was just wanted to explore what you heard and what you felt."
2023-01-28 10:03:49.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:03:55.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, I'm just doing some stuff around the office that doesn't require a full attention. So that's yeah, if you don't mind me doing stuff in the background you're walking your dog. Yeah."
2023-01-28 10:04:03.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sure. Yup, as usual a bit of a late start this morning but."
2023-01-28 10:04:07.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Alright, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:04:09.6 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:04:10.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,To make it out the door.
2023-01-28 10:04:13.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, so she's without even looking at the text, I think I called my focus on keeping my, you talked, you had asked whether a particular a draft."
2023-01-28 10:04:27.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2023-01-28 10:04:31.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Caused me to feel more connected I think Jackie. Yeah, hi."
2023-01-28 10:04:43.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Click that as a, I mean, I didn't really think carefully about what you wrote."
2023-01-28 10:04:48.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:04:52.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Triggered the experience, the past year of disconnecting myself from trying to keep others around me happy and keeping my eyes fixed on Jesus trying to police him regardless of how there's response."
2023-01-28 10:05:11.4 PST,Robby Butler,But then in your power you talked about a motion all attached and I think where's the phrase as the thing to pursue there's this attach me emotionally more to them as the practical expression of loving our neighbor as we love her. So that isn't that I pair the greatest commandment and the others like it. So.
2023-01-28 10:05:18.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:05:44.4 PST,Robby Butler,That's what I'm thinking you're referring to and should we carry work from there. Okay.
2023-01-28 10:05:49.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yes.
2023-01-28 10:05:52.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:05:55.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So did you feel anything as you processed those words?
2023-01-28 10:06:01.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Not really feeling all. I've got some deadlines this morning and I've, you haven't given, I mean, I did, I was out walking and praying when listening to other stuff and clothing back versa. I sent you that whoever. Let's see. Yeah, I think it was we pursue our life in this world will lose it or something along those lines and the, there's."
2023-01-28 10:06:33.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"What if we move our life we will find it, right?"
2023-01-28 10:06:37.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Alright, that's the second part I didn't put that but that is alright and the entry cause she's a loving Jesus, more than our family, yeah, loving our family forward and how those two without family coming more import. And then Jesus. And that's the dynamic, I'm kind of working through but I kinda, I mean I am sure that I need to think about this further and that part so that's as far as I got this morning and I don't want to, I don't, I'm not experiencing feelings that I'm conscious of in relation to this except maybe a few or a failure to."
2023-01-28 10:06:39.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:06:52.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:07:13.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hey.
2023-01-28 10:07:18.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:07:24.6 PST,Robby Butler,"To do well in this area, but, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:07:27.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So the, you know, the, I guess the goal is to have you feel a sense of joy at your ability to recognize where you are failing because that is what opens the door for grace and healing and restoration."
2023-01-28 10:07:48.0 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, it's connected to that joy reference, I've been listening to John sixteen by $20 this past weekend it's morning and what she says."
2023-01-28 10:08:00.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,The four chapters.
2023-01-28 10:08:02.4 PST,Robby Butler,Five chapter sixteen to twenty. So that if you start up early on that with prior to that she's not any point my name asking you over that you're joining me before and that idea. If that was me that'd be for joy and not just enduring. You know things not being all they should be. The enduring or experience for joy is part of the kingdom.
2023-01-28 10:08:19.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yes.
2023-01-28 10:08:34.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Sir, it's also for this morning."
2023-01-28 10:08:34.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yes.
2023-01-28 10:08:37.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, I think that's actually a different place to start is. What does it mean to do things, in the name of Jesus."
2023-01-28 10:08:42.6 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:08:47.4 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:08:49.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Because I think I talked about is that a lot of what we think of us Christianity is done in the name of that.
2023-01-28 10:08:59.4 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:09:00.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"The god has told us the truth, and we must live them out, and if we lift them out, we show live if we do then we will live."
2023-01-28 10:09:10.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:09:11.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right. And focus on technique to focus on Broudy like all these things, they're not bad but they are in the name of."
2023-01-28 10:09:22.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Yup, yup."
2023-01-28 10:09:22.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know, this is one of the issues that we're dealing with in some of my per meetings where I feel like we're praying in the name of Moses. For righteous politicians and the ND equal and all these things and it's like those are legitimate cries of our heart but they're not in the name of Jesus."
2023-01-28 10:09:34.8 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:09:41.4 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:09:42.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And what is unique about Jesus? Yes.
2023-01-28 10:09:48.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"I'm gonna make this claim and we can discuss it, right? I'm not sure where you're ready there no actually or emotionally in this is that what's unique about Jesus is his vulnerability is god being vulnerable so both on the Christmas end of god becoming physically present among us, sharing our sorrows, our grief hunger, thirst etcetera, and then ultimately Jesus on the cross, you know, allowing simple man to destroy him."
2023-01-28 10:10:21.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that vulnerability the physical as all the ability and then also the emotional vulnerability. Those two things, look at the cycle is the extraordinary thing about Jesus is if he conquered through vulnerability."
2023-01-28 10:10:44.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,As opposed to Moses who concrete through force and you know literally killing people.
2023-01-28 10:10:49.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Oh, right."
2023-01-28 10:10:52.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And that is the thing that unlock this extraordinary joy.
2023-01-28 10:11:01.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Is tapping into that name, so that's kind of the system since I wanted to try to wrestling with you to see if I can get your left rain we acknowledge it or you sent me for understanding around it so that we can figure out the right way Tuesday if that makes sense."
2023-01-28 10:11:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, okay, so."
2023-01-28 10:11:31.2 PST,Robby Butler,To your contrasting well most of what we experience is Christian is a another client call center management. I'm trying to do the right thing. Again coordinates with you for $20 to lot Moses but I.
2023-01-28 10:11:41.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:11:51.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Or we're trying to get other people to do the right thing.
2023-01-28 10:11:54.0 PST,Robby Butler,"But even, even if we're focusing ourselves the right thing for what we understand Jesus wants from the scripture, which you can become another form of law. No, no, not read it in what mode. Yeah, but that make parallel that where I think you're contrasting the emotional attachment and use for term vulnerability but Jesus, I gave."
2023-01-28 10:12:25.1 PST,Robby Butler,"Even though you knew what was in the heart of man. I didn't trust themselves to them. He's still allowed shelf or, or embraced Chloe emotional attachment to broken phone creatures who denied time all the rest am I tracking somewhat waiting."
2023-01-28 10:12:46.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah I think that's definitely moving in that direction you know, and that the, and, and, and that's, you know, and, and when I hear that, right I feel dislike extraordinary joy both at the thought and at the hope that we're growing closer to this together."
2023-01-28 10:12:53.4 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:13:20.4 PST,Robby Butler,"So I, you're saying that my two waiting that triggers Troy is that what you're okay."
2023-01-28 10:13:26.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yes, and both articulation and the fact that as you are components of that joy."
2023-01-28 10:13:34.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Alright, okay."
2023-01-28 10:13:36.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, it's a fragile joy. Cause I'm not sure if we're actually connecting or understanding but even the possibility that we're getting close feels me with joy."
2023-01-28 10:13:45.0 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, yeah, good."
2023-01-28 10:13:48.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And increases my emotional connection to you, I suppose."
2023-01-28 10:13:52.8 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:13:54.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, it's fascinating is that, when you mentioned how you are feeling a little bit of or failure it at, at discovering that your failing in this area."
2023-01-28 10:14:09.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"I hear you correctly, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:14:09.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, yeah, I think, isn't that a detachment in me that cause, you know what it is my I guess, it's just a form of self preservation protection, something like that."
2023-01-28 10:14:28.9 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. Oh, that's profound, I think that really ties into that first you were saying about like, you know, you have to lose your, you just try to save your life. If you trying to preserve yourself is that the cost of losing relationship. Did you end up losing yourself cause you can't know who you are apart from relationship but if you give up that self preservation in the right way."
2023-01-28 10:14:42.6 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:14:46.2 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:14:51.6 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:14:56.4 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:14:56.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"For, for Christ, in the name of Christ. For his sake, you know, not for the sake of making other people happy with us. I think that's where you got stuck in the past. If you lose your life for other people say you're just lost but if you lose yourself for Christ's sake, then you gain everything."
2023-01-28 10:15:01.2 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:15:06.6 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:15:11.4 PST,Robby Butler,Yup.
2023-01-28 10:15:16.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Uh-huh, right."
2023-01-28 10:15:17.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, and the picture I think I had this insight a few years ago and practicing it as much harder, but the insight was still valuable which is that when I discovered that I sin or that problem I'm facing as a matter of setting and specifically mice in there's sometimes like reading process involved but the end result is that I get excited."
2023-01-28 10:15:28.2 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:15:42.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because if it's a matter of technique or resources, or capacity that it is on me, and I have to figure this out and I have to make this work, but if it is a matter of sin that it's like okay, it's no longer difficult it's simply impossible and then I just have to, now it's god's problem. It's like, oh, my god, this is the same problem. This is not a intellectual problem. This is not a technical problem. This is the same problem. It's like, okay, how do I release god's power in this area? So that he can set me free of this and I get excited because it means, I both need to, and get to discover a deeper connection to Jesus."
2023-01-28 10:15:51.0 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:16:03.6 PST,Robby Butler,Alright.
2023-01-28 10:16:32.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Then I previously known.
2023-01-28 10:16:34.8 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:16:36.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, and that is the thing that makes me most excited it's connecting to Jesus because I feel the six static union discuss Arctic release, like the thing that was holding onto that I felt like I had to defend them protect because it was so important is precisely the saying that when I let go of it, I get to experience this ecstatic union with Jesus."
2023-01-28 10:16:59.4 PST,Robby Butler,"Uh-huh, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:17:03.0 PST,Robby Butler,"So, my, hey, hey, experience, I think this is an emotional level. That's what we're talking about. This is that sense of caught maybe screwed up but I feel that should be conditioning in this area protecting myself or not attaching emotionally that I."
2023-01-28 10:17:20.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Oh.
2023-01-28 10:17:34.8 PST,Robby Butler,"May, maybe step before the, what you described. I maybe my first responses. I feel like there's something I should do to change me but I, if I do that then I feel like I'm not being me. Because what feels like me."
2023-01-28 10:17:58.8 PST,Robby Butler,"With the way accustomed to being and so there's, there's sense of I don't know how to do this in a way that is fake and artificial comes across is just making things worse because I've tried to be and it isn't you know perceived there's something other than what I want it to be perceived as probably to be perceived as what it is that many case. So that's my first reaction but as you describe the recognizing this as soon and realizing that that's something that we can be delivered from but you can't delivery yourself from."
2023-01-28 10:18:19.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:18:47.4 PST,Robby Butler,"Then I do, I see the potential for feeling that hope and etc."
2023-01-28 10:18:55.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hey, hey."
2023-01-28 10:18:57.0 PST,Robby Butler,"But I cannot make a feeling that yet, that makes sense."
2023-01-28 10:19:01.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, no that, that's exciting I mean that's kind of my goal is that like at least we can you know get our Leftbrain to see there was a possible way of being it and then we can create space got to work on I think that's a really powerful insight, right is that when we see this thing are sort of left rate executive function are instinct are conditioning no very much what it means to be civilized is to I'm like, okay how do I fix things so that I act in this way so that other people like me frankly, or at least so I can feel good about myself."
2023-01-28 10:19:25.8 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:19:40.2 PST,Robby Butler,Alright.
2023-01-28 10:19:43.8 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:19:45.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And realizing that instinct which has served as incredibly well in many contacts, is precisely the thing that is killing us."
2023-01-28 10:19:54.6 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:19:57.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That separating us from god, separating us from other people and separating us from our true self or integrate itself."
2023-01-28 10:20:03.0 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:20:06.1 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the hope that like, this is why Christ died. This is why Christ had to die is that he had to engage in this role level with humanity to be transformational level the mirror, we're and mirror laws could never touch and like, this is what he had to do and he loved us enough to do it."
2023-01-28 10:20:09.0 PST,Robby Butler,Correct.
2023-01-28 10:20:11.4 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:20:28.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:20:37.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know, the thing that you know, the trigger joy was when you talked about this deep conditioning."
2023-01-28 10:20:45.0 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:20:47.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Water, cause I think that's a great way of framing it. This is not so much human nature as a human condition."
2023-01-28 10:20:51.0 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:20:54.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"We are just do it by culture and society and our family world flushing the devil but the deeper the conditioning the deeper the redemption and it's precisely because this is too deep and you like, you have no point of leverage to, to dig underneath it because they put us leverages yourself and the self that is that very, that self, I guess they call it the fall self and eastern traditions."
2023-01-28 10:20:58.8 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:21:06.0 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:21:25.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That falls south is sort of the shovel you're using to dig with. If you can't dig beneath the shovel, like, that's the thing that sample is actually the wall the flagstone that Christ has to remove in order for the true you to be unleashed and released and reconciled and connected."
2023-01-28 10:21:31.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:21:46.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, so that gives me a direction to pray to trust them to lean into tier two transition me and invite him to show me what my part is in the edit, or something that I can do. You want me to do, but to focus on him to deliver rather than me trying to fix this thing."
2023-01-28 10:22:16.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right and like, the that delivering you from you as opposed to delivering you from the circumstances."
2023-01-28 10:22:19.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:22:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:22:26.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, I'm curious at one point like a week or so ago, you had expressed an openness or perhaps even an intent to do the letter writing thing."
2023-01-28 10:22:35.4 PST,Robby Butler,"The letter to my former self or to my, my what is it? Yeah. You too."
2023-01-28 10:22:41.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. In our child something like that, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:22:43.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, yeah, I missed all the other things going on. I have not felt drawn to do that I don't see on file for it, I don't feel a vision for what will it will lead me to, I don't do that client. I see, I so I have all the reasons why I haven't gotten to it but I have it still in my back of mind mine that's something that I'm open to doing at some point just the days all by with other part."
2023-01-28 10:23:25.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Hey, lead."
2023-01-28 10:23:28.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. But I mean this is the, given this mental framework. It is, you know, even fly that is the expected response, if that is the right thing too. Because like precisely this is not the kind of thing this false you would ever do. Yeah. It doesn't guarantee that it'll work, right. But it definitely strongly said, you know, I definitely would say this is the, this is the kind of thing that doesn't."
2023-01-28 10:23:34.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, this."
2023-01-28 10:23:59.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"As opposed to the many, many things that do not work."
2023-01-28 10:24:00.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, okay. Well, is that, is that elevated to the place or something I can do to deliver it myself? No worries, there's something for."
2023-01-28 10:24:05.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:24:12.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"No, I mean it is the whole point is that like, there is like, the way that I understand Jesus saves us is."
2023-01-28 10:24:18.0 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:24:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,Working the way I understand.
2023-01-28 10:24:26.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, one thing this."
2023-01-28 10:24:27.0 PST,Robby Butler,What's the last I heard you broke up.
2023-01-28 10:24:29.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sorry, sorry. Yeah, so, the way, the, Jesus saved us is by delivering us from ourselves from our fault. So."
2023-01-28 10:24:35.4 PST,Robby Butler,Alright.
2023-01-28 10:24:38.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, the self that we have to lose and the one thing that the self can do is the Romans 121 is to yield the self."
2023-01-28 10:24:39.0 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:24:48.0 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:24:50.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that is the idea. I mean, I think that is, that was always the original idea and perhaps even the effective part of spiritual discipline."
2023-01-28 10:24:57.6 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:25:00.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,You're told this upload is intended to be a thing where you give us your son to meet me for Jesus right now all spiritual disciplines can become corrupted is Paul said like you know they have the appearance of got be this but actually go into anything to to control. Okay so there's no sorry still there.
2023-01-28 10:25:06.6 PST,Robby Butler,Correct.
2023-01-28 10:25:18.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Oh, your break."
2023-01-28 10:25:24.0 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, yeah, so now we're back twenty seconds, whatever."
2023-01-28 10:25:28.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yes.
2023-01-28 10:25:31.2 PST,Robby Butler,Ups may breaking up. Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:25:34.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Can you hear me now? Yeah, I think there's some interface basically in this area."
2023-01-28 10:25:35.4 PST,Robby Butler,"I heard. I think, can I hear you now, man. That was the last thing I right."
2023-01-28 10:25:45.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah. Yeah, I can hear that."
2023-01-28 10:25:46.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, how about now?"
2023-01-28 10:25:50.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, I was saying that the point of spiritual discipline is to yield the self but they could all be sort of outward or even internal performances by Sam. They don't actually, you know, as Paul says, mortified the flash and so the, so there's no universal thing but doing things that are different is at least increases the likelihood of finding something that breaks through the defense mechanisms."
2023-01-28 10:25:52.8 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:26:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:26:24.6 PST,Robby Butler,"So, I think what the next thing I wanna do is to lead more into this and prayer few days and if I five since I mean the, this being the emotional attachment and recognize my condition and self conditioning."
2023-01-28 10:26:35.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:26:44.7 PST,Robby Butler,"To avoid that to protect myself and as I'm looking into Jesus to invite a confirmation about the letter to my form or south which makes more sense now in light of something that I want to be with with my former ourselves right before I didn't really know what I was, what I would try and address because mark was I think I'm okay in this I'm not sure where the problem is so, I'm not sure what to tell my former cell to."
2023-01-28 10:27:08.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:27:25.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:27:28.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Interesting. Well it's, well, I'll just mentioned to you my mind this morning part of what I, there's, there's a 247 prayer movement that has a good morning and eve, 5:10 minute meditation and this morning, it went to Augustine. You said it's not enough to have the right believe, or the right action, we also have the right desire. Yeah, I'm my, somehow that feels connected to this."
2023-01-28 10:27:38.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:27:44.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:27:50.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:28:09.6 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:28:10.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah. That was somebody I read this morning to, that really struck me is this book on enemy mode and brain science. And one thing they said is that it is only in the right brain that we develop character."
2023-01-28 10:28:24.6 PST,Robby Butler,And did you see?
2023-01-28 10:28:28.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Like we're getting information in the left brain.
2023-01-28 10:28:29.4 PST,Robby Butler,Did you call it N-M-E mode.
2023-01-28 10:28:34.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Enemy mode, the book is called a skipping enemy mode. How our brains relational circuits sat down at different layers and that keeps us from forming helping a healthy tasks to people. So, if you're in a crisis you know, if you're to sat down your relational circuits to focus on the urgent problem but it's dangerous because then you stop calculating the relational cost or even any cost to other people."
2023-01-28 10:28:35.4 PST,Robby Butler,Okay.
2023-01-28 10:28:39.0 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:29:01.8 PST,Robby Butler,That's it.
2023-01-28 10:29:04.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And so, the premise of the book and if we could reconnect, you know, this is what it means to love our enemy. It's actually not just have a intellectual, just listen to them but they actually have compassion where we feel their pain as our own."
2023-01-28 10:29:16.8 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:29:20.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that, and so, the punchline of this is that the."
2023-01-28 10:29:25.2 PST,Robby Butler,We're not there yet. Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:29:30.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,That the character is really something for me to the right brain and how we relate.
2023-01-28 10:29:34.8 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:29:38.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"The emotional experience of connecting to others and I was sharing in the chat like I feel like most of my mistakes, and most of the things that have undercut my marriage and my family, is that I tried to do the right thing from a position of emotional distant protective this and the only way out is to, and, and then, and then people don't understand either so it'll say various concrete things they want me to do differently. Like say it this way or perform these chores but if I end up just performing those tours out of my fault self it doesn't create most of the connection which is what people are actually craving."
2023-01-28 10:29:39.0 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:29:46.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:30:14.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And the only thing that actually would create the sense of emotional security for people to actually be able to be vulnerable enough to build trust.
2023-01-28 10:30:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,"It strikes me that it, there's a pattern or behavior acting even quite what we think is, right? Without considering the emotional impact. The cost is also characterized by Richard Swenson. And two on margin as the question of being overly busy when we squeezed all the margin out of our lives then as one quote I recall I become the ugliest of all things and the man or something like that."
2023-01-28 10:30:42.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Oh.
2023-01-28 10:30:56.4 PST,Robby Butler,And the?
2023-01-28 10:30:58.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, and I think you yeah, yeah, margin is very useful spiritual discipline."
2023-01-28 10:31:01.8 PST,Robby Butler,"The business understanding businesses are compounding factor. I think that's certainly been true of my life. We're trying to accomplish everything like this is not a, not the book of goal. It's anyway, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:31:05.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2023-01-28 10:31:24.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, but I mean, like that kind of makes sense because like the executive function of our brain its job is to get things done even if we don't feel like right you have to get up and go to school and you know, wash your clothes, things you don't feel like doing until like executive function has a really useful role. But like most things it's a great service for a horrible master and dizziness makes it easy for the executive sponsor to like always stay in charge. Like, you know, it's good to have a warlord if there's like an urgent crisis but you don't want to have the warlord always talk."
2023-01-28 10:31:31.8 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:31:37.8 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:31:42.0 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:31:48.0 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:31:58.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because then they end up manufacturing war. So they can stay in charge. Manufacturing business manufacturer laws. We manufacture crises to avoid facing no, yeah, some of it doesn't mean you know that's kind of the western thing is to like be busy and rational, and logical, and productive. The eastern thing is the opposite, is to just withdraw like locate the goals to return backwards to the one to the unity, to the place of piece that Tencent and you know denying the illusion."
2023-01-28 10:31:59.4 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, yeah, I'm good."
2023-01-28 10:32:06.0 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:32:15.6 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:32:19.8 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:32:29.4 PST,Robby Butler,"Uh-huh, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:32:31.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And that's not healthy either.
2023-01-28 10:32:34.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Is similar that topic that it just came up this morning on a per group for India, that one of the people that were going or noted that the people who are leaving the thing are running themselves into the ground because they, there's a cultural dynamic of the bishop or the leader it takes you know, responsibility for everything and there isn't a an effective discipleship. They were asking about other discipleship tools to help people learn healthy delegation from overbook perspective. So, I'll ask you that question or something in that area. You'd have some background with Indian culture. So, you appreciate more than I do with the context."
2023-01-28 10:33:05.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:33:17.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:33:25.8 PST,Robby Butler,Might be a problem.
2023-01-28 10:33:28.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, yeah. And the thing is the crazy thing that I'm discovery gonna, my own job with is that like there's like practical techniques of delegation but like the real issue is relationship and trust if you don't have relations, but if you don't feel that emotional investment."
2023-01-28 10:33:36.0 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:33:40.2 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:33:46.2 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:33:49.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Then, nothing actually work. It's really just command and control by a different name."
2023-01-28 10:33:54.0 PST,Robby Butler,And she did it. Great.
2023-01-28 10:33:56.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You can create threats and punishment, you know, report because just for words and punishment and minute relation."
2023-01-28 10:34:01.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Uh-huh, yeah."
2023-01-28 10:34:04.8 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, so, Jesus, telling me there's no responsibility for the great commission. He's given us a quite a bit of a thirty minute."
2023-01-28 10:34:07.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And.
2023-01-28 10:34:13.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah. And he has strong enough that he can absorb are vulnerable absorb are broken and our failure in this process."
2023-01-28 10:34:22.8 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:34:26.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And not pull away and detach emotionally to protect themselves like that is extraordinary to me.
2023-01-28 10:34:28.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:34:30.6 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:34:34.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know, and that's the thing like, what I realize how to my deep conditioning because. And then I didn't even crucify Jesus. And then I discovered that his love is deeper than that. That's where this ecstatic union comes from. It's like, yes, like the worst things I can do, increase the glory of his redemption. And so I rejoice, oh, it's not that I don't feel that the same and the grief and the sorrow. But it can swallowed up with joy."
2023-01-28 10:34:39.0 PST,Robby Butler,Uh-huh.
2023-01-28 10:34:51.0 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:35:01.8 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:35:05.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yes, the pain of childbirth that lead to the joy of new life."
2023-01-28 10:35:06.6 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:35:13.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, near the end, so we pray."
2023-01-28 10:35:13.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Yeah, that'd be great."
2023-01-28 10:35:19.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"God, I just thank you that you love us so much and so deeply and that you were working with great redemption far beyond anything we could ask or imagine and in fact you deliberately avoid giving the lesser victories it your, the greatness of your name and your damson I think you bring a season. We're all the old names are falling away and the only the name of Jesus. Save us and that's the name of Jesus can say back and you will be glorify, you will restore our heart marriages are families, our nation at our world. If we make yield ourselves to you."
2023-01-28 10:35:58.2 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:36:04.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"We give up our fault so we can receive our true names that only the email. I just, thank you for Robbie and this partnership wasn't listed and wrestling with these issues and his hunger is P. hunger for you underneath all these layers and I pray that you would just help bring that."
2023-01-28 10:36:07.2 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:36:14.4 PST,Robby Butler,Oh.
2023-01-28 10:36:26.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, in the past that lead to life for him and his family, this is Jesus name. Hey man."
2023-01-28 10:36:27.6 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:36:33.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Thank you Jesus. That we can love it with our so my strength. Okay? Sure and we can't make sure that our manage it and we can three-year redemption your spirits working our lives three living in through us we can not our neighbor is actually out of that just, I just giving myself to you and this broken this that I'm experiencing myself."
2023-01-28 10:37:07.8 PST,Robby Butler,"And somebody to work on my phone. Yeah, that."
2023-01-28 10:37:16.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Name we pray. Amen. Hey, one that came as we are praying that another. I'm going through that John resilience each month and we're in the last month of the month on a."
2023-01-28 10:37:20.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hey.
2023-01-28 10:37:36.6 PST,Robby Butler,"Let's change every that we have in our, or Jesus as our greatest treasure long he is the great treasure. I'm not quite sure how that business at solving that, but."
2023-01-28 10:37:56.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hi.
2023-01-28 10:38:01.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"No, I can go with this so increases by the things that we control."
2023-01-28 10:38:09.6 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:38:12.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know, and a lot of our behavior even, even a religious behavior, parents just behavior is about increasing our control over thing but better information, better technique more resources, etcetera, and when we realize that actually the greatest treasure is to just know Jesus. That'd be known by Jesus. And draw closer to him and become like him then we rejoice when those other things fall away. So we can see more clearly."
2023-01-28 10:38:22.2 PST,Robby Butler,Right.
2023-01-28 10:38:30.6 PST,Robby Butler,Mm-hmm.
2023-01-28 10:38:36.6 PST,Robby Butler,Yeah.
2023-01-28 10:38:40.2 PST,Robby Butler,"Alright. So oh, I'll look forward to the recording."
2023-01-28 10:38:44.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hey, man last, yeah, you're essentially okay, are you comfortable with me sharing this publicly or privately with you when you."
2023-01-28 10:38:51.0 PST,Robby Butler,"No, no, that's fine. That's okay. Yeah."
2023-01-28 10:38:55.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, great. Talk to you soon. God bless you. Bye-bye."
2023-01-28 10:38:56.4 PST,Robby Butler,"Alright, uh-huh, take care. Bye."