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Flyover Film Country is a podcast about movies set in places oft-forgotten by Hollywood. Olivia Clement and Isaac Sims are your co-hosts, bringing unique perspectives from Arkansas and Oklahoma! Produced by Walter Lyle.
MOLEMAN (00:15.357)
I'm Isaac Sims.
Sue Storm (00:17.754)
I'm Olivia Clement.
MOLEMAN (00:19.488)
And this is Flyover Film Country, a film podcast hosted by residents of Arkansas and Oklahoma.
Fantastic Four!
Sue Storm (00:33.157)
you in a different direction. I just shouldn't have probably known that's where you're going. We're just continuing the Pedro Pascal summer.
MOLEMAN (00:39.414)
Yep, this is the third, yeah, this is the third Pedro Pascal movie we've covered this year. So, how fun, how fun. And I thought that Walter was gonna be on, and if he was, we would indeed be the Fantastic Four, but we're just gonna be the thrilling three or the thrant-tastic three. Luke Irvin is back with us from Agents of Mace. He is the scholar, so thanks for.
Sue Storm (00:43.437)
Yep. Yep. Have fun.
Luke Irvin (00:55.337)
Ha
MOLEMAN (01:09.002)
being back. Olivia's downstairs, I'm upstairs with a severed connection to my Nest Mesh WiFi, but we're making it work and Luke, you're in bed. So we're truly podcasting. Very, very excited to have you back.
Luke Irvin (01:10.161)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (01:23.357)
Yep.
Sue Storm (01:29.177)
Very grassroots.
Luke Irvin (01:29.257)
Thanks so much for having me. Yes.
MOLEMAN (01:31.412)
Yeah. What? Who, Luke, who do you like most align yourself with? when you look at the Fantastic Four, who do you look at and think, that's me? That member of the Fantastic Four is me.
Luke Irvin (01:45.337)
Oh, yeah. Well, so Libby and I were just kind of getting to know each other more. So I feel like she's, she'll know my answer here. But definitely read. Yeah, I mean, read all the way like, my background's in tech. Like I'm a software engineer by trade. Like that's what I've, you know, been doing since like my junior high years going from building websites to building iPhone apps.
And so, and I've always had this obsession with like space and travel and, yeah, like I just gravitate towards a lot of those things. yeah, read a hundred percent.
MOLEMAN (02:25.122)
Olivia, I feel like you're the most emotionally stable of me at least between me and Walter so maybe Sue Storm?
Sue Storm (02:31.973)
think that's true. Maybe, I mean, I don't know, she's the only female character of the four of them. But I do think I, like, I really resonate with Ben. I really like how he is just, I mean, they make this joke. I think in the trailer, I don't know if they actually make this joke in the, or the comment in the movie, but how he's just solid.
I feel like I'm pretty solid for the most part. So yeah, who do you align with?
MOLEMAN (03:08.348)
I think, so going back to like the 2000, early 2000s Fantastic Four with Yawan Gruffudd and Jessica Alba and Michael Chiklis and Chris Evans, I think I always wanted to be a scientific mind and thought of myself as a Reed Richards, but I think I'm more of a Johnny Storm.
Sue Storm (03:26.042)
Thank
Sue Storm (03:31.141)
You're a himbo. Except he's actually really smart. It's not that he's dumb.
Luke Irvin (03:31.258)
He
MOLEMAN (03:35.796)
I was, yeah, we'll get into that. I was pretty surprised when he started decoding alien languages. I was like, that seems a little bit more of a read thing, but okay, okay. That's cool. I like that.
Luke Irvin (03:39.603)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (03:40.921)
Yeah
Luke Irvin (03:45.513)
Pulling a one a 13th warrior
MOLEMAN (03:48.707)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So Luke, let's start things off. We got no preamble. We're literally, this might be the most we have ever dived right in, dove right in. Uh, cause we always say that ironically after we've, you know, shot the, shot the crap for 15 to 20 minutes. So we're literally jumping right into Fantastic Four first steps. What did you think?
Luke Irvin (03:54.089)
Sure.
You
Luke Irvin (04:06.227)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (04:09.799)
Yeah, sure.
Luke Irvin (04:21.043)
So I, so I wanted to break it down by acts first. cause there's, I mean, a, like this is the start of phase six. so we're jumping into a whole new phase, a whole new look and feel. And there's so many questions still to be answered. but.
MOLEMAN (04:26.604)
think that's very smart.
Luke Irvin (04:45.267)
For this movie, I have lot of mixed feelings and it really depends on the act, right? So I would say going into the first act of this movie, I find it fun and interesting. It's very much like a day in the life for these characters. And I think going into a world where they're already established, we don't need the full origin story. mean, the whole origin story is basically said in like 10 seconds in this movie.
But it's more of like a day in the life of what they've been through over the past four years. thought that was really interesting and really cool. Do have some issues that happened in the first act and we can get into those. The second act is probably my favorite. It's very more interstellar like, very space travel. But what they did during those moments, especially with Silver Surfer are like some of the coolest MC moments we've got.
And really, really enjoyed that. The third act I thought was okay at best. lot of issues in the third act and that's the more action heavy of getting to really showcase their powers more getting to the action sequences. But that's probably where I had the most of my issues was with the third act. But all in all, like even with the issues, I had a lot of fun watching this. mean, definitely smiling ear to ear. think the
Four really bring together what it means to be a family and really showcase their characters. I really liked the changes they did with Johnny Storm, getting him a lot more involved than he has ever been in like the past projects. is such a complex character. There's a lot more they could have done with him. And I know there's like 30 minutes that's been stated that's been cut out of this movie. So I think there's a lot more we could see with Ben, but I thought...
MOLEMAN (06:33.954)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (06:36.967)
with Reed and Sue, especially them as a married couple. I really enjoyed a lot of what they did there. Reed, I wish they'd gotten more into the sciency stuff. I think they really kind of held back on that. But I think the chemistry with these four and the energy and just the whole retro 60s vibe was really awesome to see, especially seeing this on an IMAX. Like seeing this on IMAX was like pretty, pretty incredible. So all in all, I had a great time watching it.
Sue Storm (07:00.286)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (07:07.453)
But man, again, it's like when they start these new phases, especially as a fan as I am and covering so much content around Marvel, that's when we get really nervous. And as fun as this was, I'm still a little bit nervous.
MOLEMAN (07:22.646)
Yeah, what I'm curious what the what the vibe is at the Mace headquarters. How are your, you know, compadres feeling about just from this movie moving into because y'all are looking at the big, big picture. Did did did y'all mostly enjoy it?
Luke Irvin (07:40.847)
Yeah, I mean, exactly. So we're actually recording tomorrow. I have some, I mean, yeah, I have some insights. Like I feel like I'm going to be a little bit more nitpicky, a little bit more on the harsher side than Drew or Alisa, just from the vibe that I'm getting, you know. But we've been covering the Fantastic Four for a while now. I mean, we've covered, we covered the 90s movie. We went back and watched that.
MOLEMAN (07:46.9)
Okay, cool. No spoilers.
Luke Irvin (08:08.553)
You can find that on YouTube. We covered the 2000s movie. We covered the 2015 like movie that was just like my gosh that episode and Then our latest episode is we wanted to spend a little bit more time with silver surfer so we watched the silver surfer animated series because the first three episodes are the origin of the silver surfer so we really wanted to get into the origins of the silver surfer so that way
MOLEMAN (08:16.781)
That was a funny episode. really, really liked that episode.
MOLEMAN (08:33.988)
cool.
Luke Irvin (08:37.437)
we had a little bit more insight to this character to kind of compare what they were gonna do in this movie.
MOLEMAN (08:43.693)
Cool. That's awesome. Olivia Wood. Olivia, did you get to see it in IMAX?
Sue Storm (08:48.964)
I I saw an IMAX. It was a good time. I'm really glad I saw an IMAX. One of our friends from college, Andrew, had only seen... He texted me about it because he's a big Marvel guy too. And he had said he saw it just in a regular Marvel theater. And then I was like, I think you really need to see an IMAX. And he ended up seeing it with his wife in IMAX. And he was like, that was the right call. That was the right call to see an IMAX. So it was a lot of fun. Isaac, did you see an IMAX or did you...
MOLEMAN (09:17.633)
I did, we are three for three on the IMAX. know, between like seeing that and Superman, yeah, I Superman was my last theater movie, I think, before Fantastic Four. yeah, both those movies in IMAX were really fun. I think it'd be fun later on to kind of talk a little bit more about some of the similarities. Both these movies start in media res, like, hey, he's a hero, we're going, let's do it. I think that was a really smart call for.
Sue Storm (09:18.743)
Okay.
Sue Storm (09:40.388)
Mm.
MOLEMAN (09:47.491)
for both of those unique stories. yeah, okay, so Olivia, what did you think, just broadly speaking, about the movie?
Sue Storm (09:59.652)
Overall, I really enjoyed it. I don't know if I have as many maybe issues with it as you guys might, but I also didn't like, I remember watching the Fantastic Four movies from the early 2000s as a kid, but I don't, they didn't like stick with me. They weren't super meaningful. I'm pretty sure I saw Silver Surfer in, like the second one in the theater, but I don't actually remember that for a fact. So they don't.
necessarily hold a special place in my heart like I think they do with a lot of people. Overall I really enjoyed it. I think it's it's one of the better superhero movies we've gotten in a long time. One of the better superhero like pieces of content we've gotten in really long time. So so I enjoyed it and I'll I'll get into some of my thoughts on it as we kind of break it down a little bit more. But Isaac what about you? Were you're
off the top initial overview thoughts of it.
MOLEMAN (11:00.545)
I was really, I was really blown away by how much I enjoyed it. I'm going into these movies, you know, genuinely wanting to have a good time and, you know, knowing a little bit of the background of some of the characters, but for the most part, not, especially with Fantastic Four, like I really like those movies, even the, you know, the aforementioned, you know, once that we've talked about from the two thousands. but I don't.
You know, I don't have like any strong emotional connection to them, but I was, I was blown away by a couple of things about this movie. I was glad they started in media res. I think they were leaning into the comic book aesthetic melded with like the sixties vibe. They went really, really hard on that. And I think it, it felt like a hail Mary, but not in a cynical way. It felt like, okay, we got it. We got it. Just do something different to make.
we got to try something bright. would much rather prefer some of the CGI to look bad, but to make it look like it is occurring in the daytime and not like just overcast in a studio, you know, or like, like fake sunlight. So I like seeing the blue sky. Like I thought that was great, but I was just amazed by how
little punching there was and that's what I was realizing like, there hasn't really been that much fighting. They've been like talking and kind of solving problems and it feels it like, I love that it was a, you, I think the acts you broke down Luke were really great and accurate. I love that it was like, it was a, it was a space travel movie and then a disaster movie and then like disaster in terms of like global, Hey, the world has to come together.
And the world was like functioning peaceably together and working together. And that was an unexpected thing that really blew me away in terms of like, it's positive outlook because that is not how the world is right now. I was really, I was really affected by that. So yeah. And then.
Sue Storm (13:09.677)
That's not, that's, that's how you knew it wasn't taking place in our timeline because that's not how that would work.
MOLEMAN (13:18.273)
Yes, exactly, 828, quite different. And then just to, you know, kind of finalize it, I'm kind of surprised that I liked the third act as much as I did because it sounds like you had some like quibbles with it, Luke, as well as some other people I talked to, you know, making fun of, okay, invisible woman's using her powers to...
Luke Irvin (13:38.313)
Thank you.
MOLEMAN (13:45.058)
shove Galactus through the hole. It's like, it should not have worked for me, but I felt like it was so intentionally paced compared to some of the other MCU movies that we've got before where I felt this is literally, they literally have to fight. They have tried everything. They tried to negotiating with them. They tried teleporting the earth. They tried, you know, move in Franklin and like none of it worked. And they are just like, they got their backs against the wall and they just got to fight.
And it worked for me and like I was really surprised watching it that it did. So anyway, yeah, I really enjoyed it.
MOLEMAN (14:29.869)
So, from there, what, who do you guys feel like in this, I'm gonna go back to you Luke, in this movie, Sue Storm is more of the leader.
Luke Irvin (14:30.439)
nice.
Luke Irvin (14:41.799)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (14:47.485)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (14:48.695)
And how did you like that? Because people are weirdly, you know, picky about Reed Richards being the leader and being portrayed a certain way. But how did you feel like the choice to make Sue the leader, the politician, the one kind of in front of the UN, how do you feel like that all worked? And do you feel like Pedro Pascal did a good job as Reed Richards and Vanessa Kirby is Sue?
Luke Irvin (15:21.031)
Yeah, okay, so... yeah. Okay, I think the thing's like...
MOLEMAN (15:23.159)
Go full nerd on us, you have our permission.
Sue Storm (15:25.571)
Do it.
Luke Irvin (15:30.065)
Okay, in terms of just going back into like the whole first act structure, like most of what I was like super nitpicky about was it felt like it was the entirety of like Marvel's marketing efforts for this. Like there wasn't too much in between it just because it, it was going so fast. It's just like, basically like I'm just watching all of the trailers all over again, but getting these sprinkles of things. But I thought like,
Sue Storm (15:43.737)
Mm-hmm, sure. Yeah.
Sue Storm (15:54.979)
Mm.
Luke Irvin (15:59.665)
I'm totally cool with like how they set that up. I thought that was very interesting. it, it's like, I think I'm just more weirded out by the fact that like they have like a PR team. To me, it felt like there was a little bit more, a little bit more emphasis around that. It's like, there was a lot more time of them kind of floating around in their day to day lives of like being politicians in a way and having a PR team that's helping them.
MOLEMAN (16:15.046)
yeah.
Luke Irvin (16:29.191)
Like, you you need to kind of talk to the people about this and about that. So there's like a certain, almost, especially with Reed and Sue, like house of cards element of like, you know, they're, they've got all this, you know, this knowledge and this power now. So it's like, they have a lot of weight on their shoulders, but you know, how they're handling it. I thought was fairly well throughout the movie and it's very interesting take on it, you know.
Because you can't like as much content as like I consume and just especially in the superhero world It's hard for me to look away from like well this just feels like they're just kind of taking this from like the boys or or like you know trying to understand like why they wanted to go that particular route of like and that that's my biggest thing with with Reed Richards, it's like there There wasn't enough time with him to get really science heavy
It just felt like very much like I'm a nerd in a lab coat. Let me scribble some equations on a board. But he just seems a little bit more frustrated through this whole movie than actually like really talking through like a lot of the scientific research that he's gone through or like his findings. It leans a little bit more because this movie is so focused on family and them becoming parents. Like that's the other big story.
MOLEMAN (17:45.337)
Hmm.
Luke Irvin (17:54.535)
I mean, this is, they've got powers. They've got to fight through the evils of the world now. guess what? Now we're about to be a mom and dad. And then what's this? Someone just showed up out of nowhere. It basically says like your whole planet is marked for death. How do we like juggle all of this? I mean, being a parent is difficult and it's like, I appreciate and like, yeah, I mean,
MOLEMAN (18:04.708)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (18:19.681)
Ha
Luke Irvin (18:23.397)
I've got three little boys, so it's like, I'm in that world deep. But and I think that's things like me, you know, studying science and math and things like my whole life, like, can relate, like, I just wanted so much more from reading that and that, because you can tell that he's got so much weight on his shoulders about like, what's the right decision to do. But he's definitely more concerned about
we have these gifts, what does that mean for a child? Like what kind of life is he gonna have in this world? And we can dive more into the world now or later, because I've got a few quibbles with like the world of Earth 828. Like there are certain things like I just thought I just couldn't really get on board. And it's one of those things like if I watch the movie again, I could definitely maybe try to look at it from a different angle and change my mind. But I think
MOLEMAN (18:54.756)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (19:17.775)
I was more bothered by this whole new world that we're in, which is so fascinating to me because I see everyone else is just absolutely loving it and totally on board with it.
MOLEMAN (19:28.376)
Yup. Olivia, what? was, dang it, I was like gonna segue so smoothly and it just is gone from my mind. because of my own children this morning early. So, but did, Olivia, did you feel like, you know, we had talked for a
Luke Irvin (19:40.137)
Ha
Sue Storm (19:40.944)
Ha
MOLEMAN (19:58.243)
I think maybe on one of our Marvel podcasts from a couple of years ago about like, who's going to play Reed Richards. How did you, how did you feel about like the choice? Because it was really weird watching, Pedro Pascal do. And he said, I think, I think I need to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure he said in an interview pretty soon after he got cast and they were due in pre-production that he was doing like a Clark Gable sort of more like old school thing.
Luke Irvin (20:08.521)
you
Sue Storm (20:25.1)
Yes. Yes. He did say that.
Luke Irvin (20:26.473)
Hmm.
MOLEMAN (20:26.52)
And I was like, that's interesting. I think that's a really cool choice, especially if they're going to do a period thing. And so was kind of paying attention to that. But then also like there's a very specific choices, like Matt Shackman and the whole team said. Petra Pascal is in this Reed Richards is not going to be like the tortured version that we see like obsessively like he is obsessive in this movie, but he's not obsessively, working.
in such a way that he becomes like harsh or like neurotic, um, the way that he's in some of the runs as I understand it, or like becoming like Iron Man, um, or becoming like a dark version of Mr. Fantastic. So what did you, what did you think about, I don't know, just Pedro Pascal and the way he, uh, you know, played this character, Olivia?
Luke Irvin (20:59.24)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (21:20.034)
Yeah, I really liked it. I really like this portrayal of Reed Richards. Again, I don't have a whole lot of exposure to the Fantastic Four, so I don't know really what to compare him to. I also love Pedro Pascal, and so there's probably that bias bent towards him anyway. I do think that this is obviously a different version of Reed Richards than what I think the
the Marvel comic book fan is used to seeing and so I think that changes things. But also this is a completely different universe and so you know will our typical Marvel timeline version of Reed Richards be the same? I don't know. I don't know if I really care that much right now in this moment. But I really like this portrayal of Reed all in all. I don't know if I have anything insightful.
to add to that other than I enjoyed it. But again, I'm not super into a Fantastic Four like that. So I don't know if I really can add a whole lot to that. mean, what did you guys think of his portrayal?
MOLEMAN (22:39.96)
I'll say this about Reed and kind of pivot to talking about some of the other members. One of the things that I saw this with my coworker and I told it to him and then I told it to my friend the next day when we were talking about it on the phone. And this is the other reason I like the movie is I'm a pretty pessimistic person. I'm pretty cynical. And this movie was a shot of
positivity for me in a way that I thought Superman would be, but it ended up being more Fantastic Four. But I loved watching this movie and not feeling the burden of like emotional turmoil and conflict the way that it was, was exactly what we talked about when we came on y'all's MCU phase five recap, Luke. There's just like, it's just like, there's darkness and there's turmoil and
Like there's like specifically in iron heart, like battling yourself and there, there wasn't any of that, but it wasn't that there wasn't any tension. was just that every single member had was like emotionally like mature and healed, especially after like the four years of like being a team member, Ben wasn't mad at Reed for what happened, even though you get hints at like.
He's embarrassed that the space suits let the gamma radiation in that let, that there, made Ben become a rock monster and let them all get their powers and stuff. And they're like working together. And it was, there were moments where they're in conflict, but it's not driven by like this utter brokenness that they have to like figure out. that was something that I really, really responded to.
Sue Storm (24:29.712)
And it's... Yes. I... Yes, I'm really glad you brought up the team aspect because this felt like the first time maybe ever in the I don't know if that's actually true, but maybe ever in the MCU where we've had a team... a team work together who wants to work together and like wants to like do right by the other person and isn't necessarily... like Johnny is... his whole thing is being kind of a show off anyway, right?
MOLEMAN (24:42.297)
think it might be.
Sue Storm (24:57.417)
But even that, was very, you know, sacrificial and wanted to save other people. see him, you know, he was going to sacrifice himself at the end. So spoilers, maybe, but also we've been doing this podcast long enough to know you should know that we're going to do spoilers.
Luke Irvin (25:14.089)
yeah goodness I mean the post credit scene was spoiled the day after this came out
MOLEMAN (25:15.477)
We should have done spoilers at the top, but it's okay.
Sue Storm (25:23.519)
Yeah, yeah. So, but yes, I'm glad you brought that up because it did feel like, so this is what a team is supposed to look like. It's not this ragtag bunch that's like reluctantly working together solely because it's either work together or the world or universe dies, you know? So that was really enjoyable.
Luke Irvin (25:24.233)
So yeah, it's tough.
Luke Irvin (25:47.655)
Well, I take a lot of credit to that is taking doom out of the picture. You know, all these other fantastic foreign films projects, it's always about doom and read, butting heads because, know, typically they're both extremely smart. One usually has all the resources. Read's always battling for like, how do I get grants? How do I keep funding all my science projects?
MOLEMAN (25:53.657)
Yes.
Luke Irvin (26:13.991)
You know, then there's always the love interest you can throw in there. So I appreciate them just stripping all of that away. Like not like we don't need to do that. And it's even like at the beginning, like when we get into that first, like you, United nations sequence, it's, I love like they hold on Dooms like, or like his country origin for just that extra second to like, really let you know, like he's not here. Like we're not messing with doom. Like don't, don't even think about
Like he's gone, don't worry about him. Let's just move on. So I really appreciated that. And I do agree like, again, like Ben's such a complex character. And my understanding is a bulk of the gutted scenes were for his story. And a lot more of his story with, what's her name? Natasha Lin, right? Leon, yeah.
MOLEMAN (27:01.071)
Okay.
Sue Storm (27:01.121)
you
Sue Storm (27:06.763)
Natasha Leon, yeah.
Luke Irvin (27:10.025)
I think they had a lot more screen time together and there's a lot more story there that they pulled out. But you know, I kind of like the fact that they made him a little bit more of that home body. Just, you know, I just kind of want to be at home and take care and is this, you know, he's not blood. He's not part of the actual family, but you know, you could pull like a full house here. And I feel like that's almost that vibe they were going for. Right. And I think.
Sue Storm (27:12.843)
Okay.
MOLEMAN (27:30.223)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (27:38.633)
putting the baby as the focus point probably kind of kept them from going down the path of like what you just said with Reed getting a little bit more just deep into whatever he's wanting to accomplish and work on and put his tension more to like I need to be a father. Now we can get into this whenever but I expect that's probably the route we're gonna go going into to doomsday especially go getting into secret ore.
MOLEMAN (28:05.337)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (28:06.378)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (28:07.882)
we want to save like our predictions and kind of like our, we expect is going to happen at the end of this episode. can definitely dive into that.
Sue Storm (28:14.304)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (28:16.057)
Yeah, I'll add that. Yes, I really liked, and the more I was thinking about it when I was considering the movie as a whole, there was a, and especially listening to some people, the big picture did not like this movie. And I was not surprised by that, but I was also, it was interesting kind of comparing, okay, I think.
One of the things I think they're doing is I think they're trying to do like a 1960s sort of people don't talk that way anymore for like good reason. You know, there's, there's more slang, there's more language. Our language in America is much more casual and laid back. And I think that's also another reason that, you know, Pedro Pascal's intonation is a lot more.
Sue Storm (28:52.416)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (29:11.019)
It is rubbing people the wrong way, but people criticizing the movie of saying it's everybody's kind of flat. I don't think it's flat. think it's very specific, direct, intentional communication. And that's how, that's how I received all of their dialogue, especially the back and forth between Ben and, and Johnny Joseph Quinn, thought was.
Luke Irvin (29:32.582)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (29:36.929)
really funny, but I was afraid going into it based on what I'd seen in the trailers that he wasn't going to be funny and he's, it's a different sort of humor than what Chris Evans is doing because it's the sixties instead of like early two thousands. So.
Luke Irvin (29:47.625)
Big Z here.
Luke Irvin (29:52.777)
Exactly, 100%. I think the communication style, I guess this goes into my gripes with the whole world that they're in, in this Earth 828. I don't know why it's bothering me so much. It's just like this over-idolization of the Fantastic Four with the people. I guess mostly it's just like within New York City. It's just like there's something about it that just wasn't sitting right with me. It's just like...
MOLEMAN (30:14.328)
Yes.
Sue Storm (30:14.688)
you
Luke Irvin (30:24.615)
I don't know. just feels like there's a lot more that could have been done there to really build up to that. But then it's like when you get into the moments of getting that kind of like closes out the second act leading into the third act, know, people are just like, what did you find? Who's out there? What did y'all talk about? Like, well, we met, we did find Galactus. We tried to negotiate, but he wants this.
And then it's just like the journalists are just like, they flipped the script and they're just like, well, why didn't you just do that? And the whole time they're talking about that in my brain, I'm just like, okay, are these people parents? Do they have significant others? Like, why would you be so aggressive about this? Because it's like the whole, you know, the whole like first hour that we sat in through all y'all are doing is just
MOLEMAN (31:01.497)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (31:08.773)
Uh-huh.
Sue Storm (31:08.776)
Yes, that's what I was wondering. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (31:21.877)
idolizing these people so much. And I get it, like they have these tremendous powers and they have protected you from these, you know, other evils, which I wish I would have loved to get more backstory on that. Like I felt like that was so rushed as well, you know, even a red ghost was like supposed to be in the movie for some part and, and his whole role was, completely cut out. But it's just that whole moment. And then my brain's like,
MOLEMAN (31:35.0)
Uh-huh.
Luke Irvin (31:49.481)
Are these parents talking to other parents and they're saying like sacrifice your kid? Like do you have kids? Like what happens when you go home and you have to confront your spouse that's like, do you like, do you just want to give up our child? Like, why, like, I don't know. There's just something about that. I just like didn't sit right with me and it just kind of felt like this whole world just something was wonky about it, right? Cause then you, then like you said earlier, you kind of flip into this.
MOLEMAN (31:54.063)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (32:03.943)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (32:17.001)
this other state of the world where now we're all working together as one. And which is like to your point, yeah, it's very, the last time we would see something like this was like Independence Day, right? That's the first thing that came to my mind is like, when was the last time you would see like the entire world work together to stop, you know, an evil like, right? Like really care about the planet. I really enjoyed that. think like, but it's just like the moments leading up to that just made the whole world feel.
MOLEMAN (32:27.895)
Mm-hmm, yeah.
MOLEMAN (32:32.601)
That's a great callback.
Luke Irvin (32:45.705)
feel very weird. like everyone's quick to like flip the script on you. And maybe that's a call out to the world we're in today. Right. With just, you know, the amount of events that go on day to day, the conversation can shift at any moment. Right.
MOLEMAN (33:03.494)
Yeah, you know, we, we covered materialists earlier this year and, uh, or a couple of months ago and Pedro Pascal and Dakota Johnson have really good, really great chemistry. I felt like it was hit or miss at best with him and Vanessa Kirby. Uh, Olivia, what did, know, what did you think about that? Because it kind of all kind of hinges on.
Luke Irvin (33:07.869)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (33:13.587)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (33:33.178)
You know, that's how the movie starts and it was like, this feels kind of strange.
Sue Storm (33:40.291)
I do think that he had better chemistry with Dakota Johnson than with Esther Kirby. also, going back to the point Luke just made about like the last time we saw that was maybe Independence Day, I had the thought earlier in the podcast of in Watchmen, the end of Watchmen, and how what, I don't even remember his name, the bad guy, the one who sends an alien off to the earth to, or makes an alien.
fall out of the sky where he's like, this is the only way we're gonna like save the earth as if everyone came together to defeat like a common evil. And so yes, that's his name. I not think of his name. It's been a long time since I've, I've thought about or watched anything to do with Watchmen. But going back to Paige Lasko on Vanessa Kirby, I, I love Vanessa Kirby and I think she's great. I think this is maybe the most straight-laced character.
MOLEMAN (34:19.43)
Ozymandias.
Luke Irvin (34:28.285)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (34:39.68)
I've seen her play. Is that fair?
MOLEMAN (34:42.988)
Mm-hmm. She had a good American accent and yeah, pretty pretty just straight lights Yeah
Luke Irvin (34:45.897)
For the most part, there was quite a few moments. The third act, I felt that accent was weaving in and out pretty consistently.
Sue Storm (34:46.301)
Yeah.
There were, I would say, yeah.
MOLEMAN (34:54.448)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (34:55.4)
Mm-hmm. Right, when she's doing maybe more of the like physical stuff, it was maybe harder for her to maintain her accent. But I think for the most part it was a pretty good accent. I do like her portrayal of Sue Storm. I love her address to the press at the, like towards the end, right before everything really goes down, where she's talking about how she's not going to sacrifice her son for the world, but she's also...
not going to sacrifice the world for her son. Like she's going to do her best to protect both. And I really appreciate that. I thought it was really good. But also, again, like Luke said, I don't understand why they all just like switched on them like that. When they said, we're not sacrificing our kid. I don't even have a kid. And I'm like, yeah, of course you're not. Why would you? Who would do that? Like, just it makes sense to me how quickly they were like,
Well, why not? What do mean?
MOLEMAN (35:56.679)
To both your points, just in terms of this world that they're in, and they have to fast forward so much of it, and when I was watching at the beginning of Superman, that incredible scene, I just loved the scene where Lois is interviewing Clark, and I got so pumped watching it. If there are a couple more scenes like this where it's, if this is a movie about journalistic integrity in the face of just like,
Luke Irvin (36:15.657)
Excuse me.
MOLEMAN (36:25.466)
disinformation and misinformation and papers being bought by billionaires and spinning their, you know, if it, if this is the movie that we're getting, I'm so jazzed and it ended up not being that we're just fine. But, if there was, if there was someone like, or if Matt Shackman was Brady Corbett, like, said, this is going to be a three hour epic. And it's going to be about this, like,
Sue Storm (36:26.183)
Mm.
Sue Storm (36:49.257)
Mm.
MOLEMAN (36:54.832)
world of idolizing your heroes and then like you know how society just is so fickle and turns against things and the heat of the moment and all that like there's that movie is in there somewhere maybe in the 30 or four or 30 or so minutes that they cut but I mean that's not what we got and maybe one day we will get something like that where it's like a three hour full epic so
Luke Irvin (37:20.617)
Yeah, he's, I think he's, he's trying to push like there's not going to be a director's cut or an extended cut for this. I don't think those scenes are going to make the light of day. And, and I've even seen among critics, you know, when it comes to like the whole pacing and the overall time of this movie, you know, most seem to be fine with it. I'm the opposite. I'm like, I would have been more than happy to have a two and a half to three hour.
Sue Storm (37:26.161)
Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.
MOLEMAN (37:26.296)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (37:47.581)
Fantastic for to build out this phase and world a little bit more Especially if eight to eight is kind of where we're going to end up at the end of it But at the same time I appreciate it, you know Going this route of eight to eight as of right now as far as we know, there's just a fantastic four You know, there's there's probably a Tony Stark somewhere Bruce Banner's around Peters around like We just don't know them
MOLEMAN (37:56.449)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (37:57.032)
Mm.
Luke Irvin (38:17.865)
like we do in the other world. it is in a way a completely fresh start, which is nice. But man, that extra 30 minutes would have been great.
MOLEMAN (38:26.97)
Yeah,
Okay, we haven't really talked about Galactus that much. Or Silver Surfer, so let's do that. Julie Garner plays Shalabal, right? That's this iteration's name. And then Ralph Innocent plays Galactus. I think excellent casting. Like maybe quietly the best casting of the movie in terms of, you know...
Luke Irvin (38:34.313)
or Silver Sofer.
Luke Irvin (38:43.539)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (39:00.226)
Julia Garner's doing a full mocap suit performance. I guess both of them are, but her, way they kind of projecting their voices and modulating it, it was added to, think like Marvel's best. Okay. You have a world. mean, like Marvel's been guilty of doing a
Every threat in every show or movie is a world ending threat and it kind of feels redundant. And this did not feel that way. The first time you see Galactus, when you go in, everything feels so big, especially seeing it in IMAX. I thought it was excellent. I thought it was very, very well done. thought Ralph Ines' voice is incredible and powerful. And you know, you really feel like they are escaping by the skin.
Sue Storm (39:30.185)
Yeah
Sue Storm (39:34.023)
I agree.
MOLEMAN (39:53.362)
their teeth, especially when they're leaving that scene, when they're given the ultimatum, give me your son, cause he has the power that I need to like rest and, or I will eat the earth and they're like, absolutely not. And then there's a fight and it's, you know, thought it was like all pretty good. What did you guys think about the villains of this movie?
Luke Irvin (39:58.568)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (40:16.745)
I mean, we actually got a proper surfing scene with the Silver Surfer.
MOLEMAN (40:21.211)
Yep, that was so super dope, yep.
Sue Storm (40:21.907)
Yes, that was sick. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (40:27.305)
So the funny part around all this is I had seen this and then we were reviewing our Silver Surfer episodes. So have either of you watched that series?
MOLEMAN (40:39.075)
No, is that on, is it on Disney Plus? Okay.
Luke Irvin (40:41.317)
on Disney Plus. So it's only one season, it's 13 episodes. The first three are the origins of the Silver Surfer. And it's this mixture of 2D and 3D animation styles, where Galactus is like the 3D. But it leans head, like this, what we get with Galactus leans heavy off of that style. is, Galactus is this giant being that basically floats around in
MOLEMAN (40:54.339)
cool.
Sue Storm (40:57.331)
Okay.
Luke Irvin (41:10.715)
a ship, the difference here is like the ship in the animated series is almost like this octopus like it has all these tentacles that will just stretch out attach itself to the planet. And then it just kind of like drives the planet out. It just kind of like absorbs, you know, the new whatever you want to call it. I don't know what he's really taking from the planet. All the life force. Yeah. And so watching three episodes that also
MOLEMAN (41:23.111)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (41:24.255)
Okay.
MOLEMAN (41:30.289)
Yeah, yeah. All of the life force and nutrients and stuff.
Luke Irvin (41:39.273)
The Watcher is the narrator. Thanos is floating around. Like, it's wild. It's just like, all these characters you know. They're like 20 minute episodes. there's... Uh, 90s. It was 98. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the voice actor for Silver Surfer, he's in tons of stuff. Like, he's got an uncredited role in, I think... Or no, he's like...
Sue Storm (41:42.943)
Wow.
Sue Storm (41:47.581)
Hold his a shadow.
Sue Storm (41:52.191)
How old is it? When did it come out?
Okay, okay, interesting, cool.
MOLEMAN (41:56.451)
cool, cool.
Luke Irvin (42:08.521)
the neighbor in nobody with Bob Odenkirk. So he's in a lot of different stuff. I don't know, listen to the episodes because we go into a lot of the funny things about it. But going back into this one, First Steps, I really appreciate they're trying to hone into the comics, the series of Galactus. The story is pretty much there. That story is locked in. It's very, very simple.
MOLEMAN (42:11.336)
cool.
Sue Storm (42:13.512)
Okay.
MOLEMAN (42:32.807)
Hmm.
Luke Irvin (42:37.755)
Now we're getting this whole new take on Silver Surfer. And in the comic runs, there are very versions or arcs where you can see both Norman and Shala portrayed as Silver Surfer. I'm surprised we did not get any sense of Norman. It leaned more into like Shala, I guess, was like a mother on our home planet.
because the thing with their race is about family. And we get that from Johnny throughout this movie as he's like learning their language and encoding the messages and learning how to communicate with her. There's so much story in there and there's a lot of heartbreak in that story as well. I feel like we were starting to get that a little bit. Maybe not as much as I was hoping for. almost thought they were gonna have
MOLEMAN (43:15.546)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (43:36.265)
Another unique route of Silver Surfer with Sue that we were getting from the other movies because there seems to always be a connection with those two characters. I was almost expecting we were going to get more of deeper connection with them, especially about them both being mothers, like as the Silver Surfer realizes like, oh, I have a family, I have a home. Because the whole thing is like when Silver Surfer gets the powers, their whole memory is being erased as well.
MOLEMAN (43:54.727)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (44:01.148)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (44:03.581)
So, and they're, because Galactus is giving Silver Surfer part of himself, part of his own powers, which is allowing the being to like not have to worry about eating, sleeping, you know, all of that stuff. You can just like, you know, you can do whatever you want at this point, but the downside is like you're not gonna remember anything.
MOLEMAN (44:24.653)
Isn't it like the power cosmic or something like that?
Luke Irvin (44:27.483)
It's like a cosmic power,
MOLEMAN (44:30.513)
Yeah, like it's one of those things where it's one of the movie's strengths to just lean into how ridiculous it is. know, in Rise of the Silver Surfer in 06 or 07, whenever that movie came out, Galactus is a big cloud and there's a lot more emphasis on the Silver Surfer, like I guess being his herald, but like it's a lot more.
Luke Irvin (44:44.989)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (44:48.818)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (44:56.137)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (44:57.957)
He is the figurehead of Galactus and then Galactus is just like kinda destroying stuff but he's formless and it's more CGI. Yeah, this like him having a base, having a name and having a voice most importantly is super cool and makes you feel like this is a scary force. And how are they going to
Luke Irvin (45:14.697)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (45:28.123)
deal with this. How are they going to defeat him?
Luke Irvin (45:30.569)
I And there's stories within the comics, especially between Galactus and Reed, that get really, really fascinating. Especially Reed, from a scientific approach of how much he kind of can connect with Galactus and understand what Galactus is and what he's going through to realize like he's not so much necessarily a villain.
and knows that like he could utilize him if he absolutely had to. And there are times when they could work together. Will we see that? I don't know. I mean, the events of this movie make me feel like Galactus is going to be pretty mad at the Fantastic Four and is going to go into more of a revenge story versus dealing with other villains that get in the way to the point where Galactus would be like, you know what? I can help y'all.
MOLEMAN (46:01.552)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (46:26.396)
in this case.
MOLEMAN (46:27.995)
That is one, I read a life story. I don't remember exactly who the authors are on that, but that's like, it starts in the fifties when they go up into space during the space race. And then like every 10 pages is a decade and stuff is going by and our time is going by and they're getting older.
Luke Irvin (46:43.975)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (46:48.515)
And all the while like Galactus is coming, Galactus is coming. And so it's like over the course of like three or four decades, Reed is obsessively working to like prevent it. And then his marriage falls apart and Franklin grows up and he's like mad at everyone and kind of becomes his own member of the, of the four after Johnny sacrifices himself. So it's like, it was a really cool.
Luke Irvin (47:00.259)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (47:16.763)
progression that you get like a snapshot of in this movie.
Luke Irvin (47:18.226)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (47:21.864)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (47:22.536)
So, so would you say that Reed can be like Alexander Hamilton where he's always working like he's running out of time?
MOLEMAN (47:32.007)
You could say that. You could say that. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (47:32.585)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (47:35.238)
One could
Luke Irvin (47:39.505)
Yeah, we dive deeper into that because the whole thing with Galactus, especially with what he's able to do, never really feels like it's portrayed the right way on a screen, like through the TV series or even this movie. Because we don't really know how he gets around or operates properly. Is it always just like in a linear path? Because he has the power of teleportation. Like he could easily like teleport wherever. And there's definitely
MOLEMAN (48:04.809)
yeah.
Sue Storm (48:06.749)
Peace.
Luke Irvin (48:07.687)
different story arcs when it comes to the planet where Silver Surfer is from and how it gets moved around and who who's the one that's doing the moving of the planet and It gets to a frustration point of like just make it make sense like what can and can't he do because like some of this like just feels silly at a point like He's galactic like if Just eat all the planets like I don't know like I don't know
MOLEMAN (48:25.298)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (48:35.558)
Yeah, like I thought, yeah, I thought he may just be so big, like celestial big that he could literally like bite the earth. I was kind of hoping for that. I thought that would have been like crazy, but yeah.
Luke Irvin (48:45.513)
I mean, yeah, that's, yeah, I'm going to call Drew out. So Drew be ready when he lists this episode. But yeah, I think that's what Drew's he's like, I just hope he just like, yeah. Even like, I mean, he's, it's just so fascinating. Like when, I saw a comparison video today from like, when Galactus like finally gets onto earth, you know, what's the first thing he did? He's like, takes the big scoop of like the ground and just kind of like smells it, you know?
Sue Storm (48:52.881)
you
MOLEMAN (48:54.716)
Like Goblin.
MOLEMAN (49:13.743)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (49:15.529)
And then if you look at like Snyder's Justice League, when Darkseid hits the ground, like he does like the same thing. I was like, okay, that's interesting.
Sue Storm (49:24.317)
That was interesting.
MOLEMAN (49:26.8)
And to your point, like with the plot holes, there's no reason why he... Like, as a parent, and there's some like, children in peril in this movie, not quite to the extent that like, The Flash did, which was like, pretty egregious in my opinion, with like, the baby in the microwave in that first scene. But yeah, yeah, just go walk...
Luke Irvin (49:44.862)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (49:49.705)
yeah.
Sue Storm (49:52.891)
What? That wasn't the fly-
MOLEMAN (49:55.901)
That happens at the beginning of the flash. It's a little inventive. It's a little inventive, I will say, but like a baby goes into a microwave and it's just like, we can't do this. We cannot do this. I cannot believe Warner Brothers put this in.
Luke Irvin (49:58.869)
Have you not seen the flash?
Sue Storm (50:00.955)
No. Ha-ah.
Luke Irvin (50:09.289)
there.
Luke Irvin (50:12.985)
it's worth it for all the Batman scenes, I'll just say that.
MOLEMAN (50:16.316)
Yeah, Batman's pretty cool.
Sue Storm (50:17.681)
I've heard that I've heard that from a few different people. So anyway
MOLEMAN (50:21.858)
Anyway, like as I was just gonna say real quick Olivia like as When you see silver surfer like with a jump to light speed right as she's they're getting away from her But her hand like go passes through Franklin that was like first of all that's scary second of all I would be like when is this being coming back for my baby? Because there's no reason why silver surfer couldn't just be like
Luke Irvin (50:23.027)
Anyway.
Sue Storm (50:36.453)
Yes. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (50:40.52)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (50:44.966)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (50:47.58)
boop, I'm here, I'm taking your baby. Like, there's no, it's just like the movie just sidesteps that. So, yeah, conveniently, so.
Luke Irvin (50:48.785)
Yeah, I-
Luke Irvin (50:53.523)
Yeah. I was probably more terrified of Silver Surfer than Galactus through a lot of this. And a lot of this, if we want to get into like towards the ending and like get into the post credit scene, a lot of this is specifically because of what we were shown at the end of Thunderbolts.
MOLEMAN (51:00.498)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (51:01.277)
Sure.
MOLEMAN (51:10.717)
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Luke Irvin (51:22.289)
I think I'm like questioning like are they making the right decisions in terms of these post credit scenes or how they're setting up where this is going because knowing what we saw at the end of Thunderbolts and especially getting into the third act where they're just kind of talking through like what we need to do to like you know get rid of Galactus I'm like okay well I kind of know what's that the ship is gonna go to this other dimension so
I'm not really expecting Galactus is going to make it much longer. I feel like everything you just said is exactly what we're about to see on screen. And it just becomes this mostly predictable moments of like, how is this really going to play out? And like, what's the significance of this? And like, where is this really kind of stepping us to next? And that's like one of my biggest frustrations. Like I wish there could have been a little bit more done there and not make it feel so predictable.
Sue Storm (51:53.895)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (52:18.362)
Okay, so I want to hear Luke what your predictions are, but first, Olivia, do you have like, okay, based on the end of this movie going into secret war or doomsday, what do you think is going to happen in terms of like factions and characters? Have you thought about it that much?
Sue Storm (52:42.055)
I Doomsday is gonna be hot garbage, truly.
MOLEMAN (52:45.946)
Like, just put it out there.
Luke Irvin (52:46.131)
But.
Sue Storm (52:48.157)
Here's the deal, I saw where Rebecca Romaine who plays Mystique who's coming back for Doomsday, she says she doesn't know if she's finished filming all of her scenes yet because they're still working on the script. You're telling me this movie is coming out in a year, it's gonna have all these characters with all these different sorts of know, CGI needs and this film's not done yet? There isn't, first of all, we're not getting it next.
December or whenever it's supposed to come out. And if we do, it's going to be horrific. Like, so I don't, I don't know how they're do anything with this film. I Luke, you were saying earlier that you're not really sure what they're doing with these post credit scenes. And I also feel like they're, they, feel like they haven't known what they're doing with post credit scenes. Probably for the last
Luke Irvin (53:19.835)
No, good question.
Sue Storm (53:47.773)
For sure, phase five, all of phase five. But also probably part of phase four. mean, I can't remember which phase the fourth Thor was in, Love and Thunder. But I mean, it shows the guy who plays Roy. Yeah, he's playing Hercules. The guy who plays Roy in Ted Lasso shows up as Hercules. And it's like, we're never going to see that guy again.
Luke Irvin (54:03.891)
Hercules. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (54:14.121)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (54:15.512)
It says, the war will return and Chris Hemsworth and Tycho O'Tee Dee were shocked when they saw that at end of the film. So like, what are we doing here? What? Anyway, I maybe and maybe it's because I really, really disliked Love and Thunder. But that felt like the first one that came to my mind when you're like, they don't know what they're doing. I don't think they do. And so I don't know. I don't know what to to predict or hope for.
Luke Irvin (54:32.905)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (54:44.888)
I know that Kevin Feige said recently that Miles Morales won't be in this, the MCU for really long time and that's really disappointing. especially because they teased him way back in Spider-Man Homecoming. mean, so I don't know, just, Marvel doesn't know what they're doing. It seems like it really feels like that way to me. And that's my variant.
Luke Irvin (54:54.441)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (55:11.152)
I want to make like a, do, do want to like get into like specific predictions just with the time that we have. but I want to say upfront, I think that doomsday is going to feel the way that Deadpool and Wolverine felt in this sense, in this, like in the sense of like the callbacks and the cameos and stuff like that. And Olivia kind of scoffed like, Luke, I don't know exactly how you feel about that movie. To me, that movie was like,
Sue Storm (55:16.324)
Yes, I do too.
Luke Irvin (55:18.003)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (55:39.698)
It was successful, but like, in the way that it landed, the fan pandering and all that, but I'm trying to think of how to like, this needle. I think it was successful because like, almost everyone that I talked to, like, hey, what did you think about that movie? What did you think about the cameos? They're all like, I loved it. I think that it was...
Luke Irvin (55:48.029)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (56:07.535)
insincere but successful and I think that people I think that it's going to work for most people but I don't think it's going to be at the level of endgame because like they have not earned anything you know so anyway I don't know if that makes sense but the I have a specific
Luke Irvin (56:22.665)
Hmm.
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (56:32.071)
My only specific prediction for Doomsday is the kid who played What's His Face in Iron Man 3. I think that he is going to play a grown-up version of Franklin because of like the callbacks and stuff. I don't know exactly how it's gonna go, but that's my prediction. So, because of the Iron Man kinda.
Sue Storm (56:47.768)
yeah.
Sue Storm (56:52.826)
Interesting.
Luke Irvin (56:56.613)
Okay.
Sue Storm (57:00.156)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (57:01.275)
entanglement across universes and stuff like that. So that's really my only prediction. I don't know. I don't know what else is going to happen.
Luke Irvin (57:02.715)
Yeah.
Gotcha. No, so they've already verified that it is Robert Downey Jr. in that scene. So we know that for sure. Because I was wondering, is that him? They said, no, it's him. It's him. So it's supposed to be the Doom of 828.
The big question I think we can't really determine yet is who is on the ship that the Thunderbolt see or the New Avengers, whichever one you want to call it at this point. Cause it's either going to be...
it's either going to be the Fantastic Four that they're going to get out of their universe into another one because they have to get away from Doom. It could be Franklin by himself or with someone from the Fantastic Four to get him away from Doom for safety. Because the whole thing with Doom is he's going to be building his team. The question is, like what version of Doom are we going to get? Are we going
God level Emperor Doom, are we going to go down the route where it's essentially Tony Stark version of Doom, that he just goes into this really really really dark pathway. So I don't know if he's ever calling himself Victor Doom or if he's just Tony Stark but he is Doom, he is a version of Doom. I feel like we're probably going to get some combination of both, but my feeling is like we're probably going to see
Luke Irvin (58:50.717)
Doom is going to kidnap Franklin. I think that's really what's going to happen. And that's what's going to span into like the disassemblement of a lot of people. It's hard to say if like the Fantastic Four is really going to stay together or if we're going to see that Sue would leave Reed to go essentially be with Doom just so she can protect Franklin.
MOLEMAN (59:15.069)
Yeah, that's that because that's something that happens in the comics apparently, right?
Luke Irvin (59:18.235)
Yeah, yeah, and that's a lot of like, leading into Secret Wars. It's like a lot of these characters essentially have to bow down to Doom. And it's going to be Reed behind the scenes of trying to build up like the Avengers, the X-Men. He basically will like get with all the other variants of Reed Richards, and they've got to use like all their minds to figure out how to defeat Doom.
but I feel like all of this stuff.
I'm kind of leaning into like some other fan theories that I've been looking into. I think this is how they're rebooting Marvel is is all of this is going to all of this will lead into Secret Wars where basically this group of Fantastic Four will be the victors. They are going to come out and they're going to be the victors to beat Doom and eventually make it back home and when they get back home since they haven't been on Earth 828
Sue Storm (01:00:01.692)
I've seen that.
Luke Irvin (01:00:23.399)
there's gonna be more villains that have shown up and that's gonna inspire the other people to say like, we've gotta be the heroes. So when they go back home, there will be an Iron Man, there will be a Hulk, there will be a Spider-Man, there will be a Punisher. All these people are gonna exist now in 828 and that's kind of gonna be resetting everything.
MOLEMAN (01:00:42.985)
because it's easy looking at A2A and seeing like, I could see how X-Men would exist like, you know, a couple states over, you know, in this world.
Luke Irvin (01:00:44.871)
I feel like,
Luke Irvin (01:00:50.281)
Yeah.
Right. Because I can't remember with the marvels in that post-credit scene. Did it specify which earth they were in for the X-Men post-credit?
Sue Storm (01:01:04.997)
think so. Maybe they did. It's been so long since I've seen it. I don't... I want to say they didn't.
Luke Irvin (01:01:07.785)
I need to go back and double so so now it's like we need the spiderweb grid of like what earth do we know who existed those Yeah, like who like we got it. We got to like investigate this There is there is like an AI version of this post credit scene exploding around where it actually shows our Robert Downey jr. And he actually has some like voice like I really like that. I would have loved to see that
Sue Storm (01:01:13.941)
Yeah, the Charlie Day meme.
MOLEMAN (01:01:32.263)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (01:01:38.087)
more than what we got.
MOLEMAN (01:01:38.545)
I think they should, it's kind of silly that they like, hey, we'll just spend like two or three days. Like to me, to the Disney corporation, it's like, let's spend three days to make sure that Robert Downey Jr. gets a little FaceTime. Like people would be amped if that had happened. So, but it didn't. So.
Luke Irvin (01:01:44.369)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (01:01:55.793)
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few other takes where he actually had some lines in that scene and they had to figure out what they will. I don't really, the only thing I don't know is what are they going to do with Franklin? What are they going to do with these Omega level characters? Because we've gotten glimpse of these kind of moments throughout the Disney Plus series where you get these characters that get
Sue Storm (01:02:03.388)
share.
MOLEMAN (01:02:03.39)
Yeah, and it just didn't work as well.
Luke Irvin (01:02:23.303)
the mass amount of powers that just becomes very anime like, Like, like what do you do with them? Like they're so powerful.
MOLEMAN (01:02:35.045)
It takes any like story intrigue out of it. Yeah. Yeah. So.
Luke Irvin (01:02:35.143)
What's this? Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to. Yeah, it's. It's it's not like a Dragon Ball Z. It's not where like Goku can just keep leveling up continuously season by season to fight this opponent. I mean, we're getting into this point like Franklin is Omega level to the point where like he can create a universe. That's how powerful he is. He can just go create his. He can go create his own.
Sue Storm (01:02:58.523)
Yeah, yeah, I was seeing stuff about that online. Like he creates his own pocket universe as a little kid, right? Like as a seven year old, right? And like, I also saw, I read a whole thread of like different things that he has done in the comics. And I even saw a line where he, the, the Celestials are like, oh, he is a threat. Like we have to like get rid of him. He's a threat to us.
Luke Irvin (01:03:06.427)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Luke Irvin (01:03:23.645)
Mm-hmm.
Sue Storm (01:03:24.987)
and they like zap him and he survives and he's like a kid at that point. I think it happens again when he's like a teenager, maybe a young adult and it's like, what do you do with that? It kind of feels like, what is it, One Punch Man? Where it's just like, yeah, like it's just like, he's just like probably bored.
Luke Irvin (01:03:36.169)
Mm-hmm.
MOLEMAN (01:03:39.493)
One punch!
MOLEMAN (01:03:46.184)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (01:03:46.377)
Yeah, yeah, so and a lot of this is definitely going to be if we're getting a more scientific version of doom it's like I need that power especially if we're leaning more into the cosmic magical dark side of the Marvel like doom is a magician he has power like magic powers that he can utilize and I feel like that's probably what we're gonna lean into it's just are we getting
Sue Storm (01:04:03.974)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (01:04:14.203)
Well, it seems like they're kind of headed that way with like Ironheart, Dr. Strange. I mean, it seems like we're like, we're like flirting with the idea of that. But we're not fully leaning into it.
Luke Irvin (01:04:18.31)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (01:04:24.702)
Yeah.
Luke Irvin (01:04:28.713)
They haven't yet,
MOLEMAN (01:04:29.194)
If they successfully do the... Okay, here's the magic, here's the cosmic, here's the spe... Like if they blend all of the subgenres that they really wanted to explore post-Endgame, if they successfully do it in Doomsday and Secret Wars, I'm gonna be super, super impressed because it is a tall, tall order that I don't think they're up to, but...
Luke Irvin (01:04:54.857)
to look.
MOLEMAN (01:04:57.896)
You just never, you never know.
Luke Irvin (01:04:59.049)
But there's so much gap, and especially if you look at like when Doomsday's supposed to come out, as well as Secret Wars, there's still a lot of time for unannounced projects.
MOLEMAN (01:05:10.729)
Yeah.
Sue Storm (01:05:11.205)
Sure, yeah.
Yeah, because there's just two movies coming out next year, right?
Luke Irvin (01:05:18.395)
Next year it's supposed to be Spider-Man and Doomsday.
MOLEMAN (01:05:20.394)
It's just Spider-Man, right? Yeah.
Sue Storm (01:05:22.395)
Spider-Man and Doomsday, right? That's what I thought. So they could surprise release something, I mean, on Disney Plus or whatever or announce it.
Luke Irvin (01:05:24.488)
Mm-hmm.
Luke Irvin (01:05:33.489)
I'm hopeful, I mean with the rumors of Spider-Man brand new day, I'm hoping that's gonna lead into World War Whole.
MOLEMAN (01:05:42.568)
That would be cool.
Sue Storm (01:05:42.843)
Ooh, that'd be cool.
Cool. I'll down for that.
MOLEMAN (01:05:47.519)
Hulk smash.
Luke Irvin (01:05:49.48)
I mean.
MOLEMAN (01:05:51.561)
I gotta, I gotta close us out on one quibble. CGI Baby Franklin was rrrr
Luke Irvin (01:05:56.073)
Sure. Yeah. That was rough. I agree.
Sue Storm (01:06:03.631)
Hey, it wasn't as bad as, Renesma.
Twilight movies. So that was horrific, terrifying stuff on nightmares.
Luke Irvin (01:06:11.731)
So let's see.
MOLEMAN (01:06:16.478)
Yeah. Just don't do, don't do CGI babies, please? Like, it's not that hard.
Luke Irvin (01:06:18.609)
It's that or was it sniper? Was it sniper that it was just like American sniper? That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
MOLEMAN (01:06:24.17)
Yeah, American Sniper. It was just a baby doll. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, and do y'all have any final closing thoughts before we do kind of wrap it up? Yeah.
Sue Storm (01:06:26.779)
It was an actual baby doll. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
Sue Storm (01:06:44.298)
Bye.
Luke Irvin (01:06:44.361)
mean, in phase six, we're getting Eyes of Wakanda earlier now. So instead of the end of August, we're getting it August 1st and all four episodes dropping one day. So very curious around that and how that's leading or expanding. Because a lot of what we're getting the rest of this year, like that Marvel Zombies, Wonder Man, I mean, how is all this fitting into phase six?
MOLEMAN (01:06:46.644)
We're in fave 6. Pretty good start. Yeah.
Sue Storm (01:06:50.19)
Yeah.
MOLEMAN (01:06:54.739)
Okay.
Sue Storm (01:06:58.112)
okay.
Sue Storm (01:07:12.132)
I keep forgetting about Wondermen.
Luke Irvin (01:07:14.045)
Yeah, how's all this fitting into face six?
Sue Storm (01:07:15.355)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Guess we're find out.
MOLEMAN (01:07:22.238)
Yep. Well, thank you for listening. Thank you, Luke, for joining us for this episode. Always love having you come join us and talk all things Marvel. But yes, thank you for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe on whatever platform you're currently using. Huge thank you to Walter Lyle, who is not on this episode, the Ben Grimm of our team.
Sue Storm (01:07:26.691)
Yeah, thanks Luke.
Luke Irvin (01:07:44.681)
you
Sue Storm (01:07:45.723)
Thank
MOLEMAN (01:07:48.436)
for producing this episode. Our art is by Sean Cohen. Our music is by Corden Jox. Next episode. He's in a dangerous line of work, but that's why he carries a big gun. He used to be afraid it might go off accidentally, but now he just thinks about baseball. Liam Neeson is Frank Drebin Jr. Police squad. Naked Gun is next on Flower Film Country. We're pretty excited for it.
Sue Storm (01:08:12.251)
I'm so excited. It'll be good. Can't wait.
MOLEMAN (01:08:16.584)
We will catch you guys on the flippity flip.