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Jake and Rach talk their biggest passions, pitfalls, and everything in between
Rachel Scott: [00:00:00] Welcome back.
Jake Scott: Welcome back.
Rachel Scott: Welcome back
Jake Scott: to Biggest Fan. This is part two
Rachel Scott: of Jake,
Jake Scott: my Origin Stories in music, in case you were really hanging off a cliff on the last episode. Hello, Mickey. She's our girl. Is she seven or eight?
Rachel Scott: Oh, Jake, she is.
Jake Scott: I al I don't know why I get it mixed up every single time.
Rachel Scott: Stop.
You're making me feel horrible. She was born in 2018, so she's seven. My math could be wrong there. No, is correct.
Jake Scott: This is why, this is why neither of us should ever go into finance.
Rachel Scott: A lot of reasons we should.
Jake Scott: Oh, okay. Yeah. I was like, what? You finding a career pivot? No, no, no. Yeah, we would. We would lead people to,
Rachel Scott: okay.
Okay. Okay. Back to you. Back to you. Back to you. Back to you by John Mayer. That was one of my back to me. No, but back to you, John Mayer. Great song.
Jake Scott: Back to you. Oh yeah.
Rachel Scott: I listen to that every day of my sophomore year of high school.
Jake Scott: What
Rachel Scott: was going on? I was heartbroken over a guy.
Jake Scott: What's his name?
Rachel Scott: I'm not telling you his name, he's not a shout out type of guy.
Right. But, uh, [00:01:00]
Jake Scott: I know his name.
Rachel Scott: No honey. She knows that you need her. Okay. Okay, okay. Okay. Back to you. For real.
Jake Scott: Okay,
Rachel Scott: so we, where were we? We were for real. Where were we?
Jake Scott: Well, I know this 'cause we just listened to Thes sound bite. He knows right where we were. I've been studying. No, uh, you
Rachel Scott: Well, I know I was saying to, I remember talking about how we need to look at this through line of insecurity.
Jake Scott: Oh yeah. Not good enough.
Rachel Scott: But what was the latest thing you were insecure about in the story
Jake Scott: you had just asked me about? Like, uh, releasing my first ever EP is Tossing Copper. Why I chose Oh, versus
Rachel Scott: Jake Scott.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Why I chose to make it a band name versus just a solo artist.
Rachel Scott: He will not remember. A single thing, but he will remember
Jake Scott: I watched the clip of it 30 seconds ago.
I watched the video.
Rachel Scott: Okay. I know.
Jake Scott: 10 minutes
Rachel Scott: ago. You love your stories. Okay, let's go.
Jake Scott: And I will never forget what I got to talk about myself. Um, so I was basically, [00:02:00] um, I was working on music. I had the opportunity to go record it for the people who didn't listen to the last episode. I was just about to release my first ep, my senior year of college, 2013.
And I had this, this, these like five songs that I had recorded. We recorded six, but one of them I decided to be really ambitious and do it literally live. Mike's in a room violinist in the room. Just me, him do the mic. Oh,
Rachel Scott: you say this last time. So there's a secret seven.
Jake Scott: There's a secret six. Oh, there's a six.
I only released five of them because we listened back to the recording and it was dark.
Rachel Scott: I think that, I think
Jake Scott: it's so bad
Rachel Scott: that with the release of this episode, you should release that
Jake Scott: song. I gotta find it. I don't know where it is. It's on a hard drive somewhere. I've literally been looking for,
Rachel Scott: it's not in a shrine somewhere.
Jake Scott: It is definitely part of the shrine, um, that I have in the back closet. But you don't know about it.
Rachel Scott: I
Jake Scott: know about it. You know about it'll, but, um, yeah, that one, I don't even remember what it was called, but I don't think it'll ever see the light day. 'cause I remember the violinist [00:03:00] was like, after we were done, he was like, yeah, that was an adventure.
Oh man. I was like, it was terrible, wasn't it? And he was like, no, no, no, man. Maybe, maybe your voice is just a little tired.
Rachel Scott: Oh, what? That's awful.
Jake Scott: This is a nice way of being like, you suck, bro.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Wild.
Jake Scott: It's okay. Hey guys, we've grown and he's dead. We've come a long way and he's no longer with us.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Well,
Jake Scott: just kidding.
I
Rachel Scott: love him. Well, yeah. We, we love him.
Jake Scott: We have worked together since and he's phenomenally talented.
Rachel Scott: So take him off the list.
Jake Scott: Yeah, he's off the list. He's actually on the, the, the,
Rachel Scott: the high
Jake Scott: list. The good list.
Rachel Scott: Hey. And I like the honesty because your voice probably was tired.
Jake Scott: Oh, I was, yeah. I was day end of day five of, uh.
I also didn't really know, and this is, this is not
Rachel Scott: important. Let's get the train back on track. Get on track. The train is down Shady Lane right now. Okay. So I still think before we move to the next part, that the fact that five of the six songs that you recorded were good enough to make it on the EP and then knowing where the EP led you, I mean, that's pretty amazing considering you had no real experience producing [00:04:00] anything.
Jake Scott: Yeah, I, well, thank you. I mean, it was, it was one of those things where it's like, you know, they were, you know, some of the first, I've probably at this point had written like 10 songs.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And then these were the five that I, or the six that I was like, okay, I think these ones are the ones I wanna try to record.
Rachel Scott: Would you still release those today?
Jake Scott: Well,
Rachel Scott: alright, Mickey.
Jake Scott: I mean, yeah, honestly, I listen back to 'em and I'm like, these aren't bad.
Rachel Scott: No, I mean, I think they're great.
Jake Scott: They're not bad and, and like, you know, some things I would do differently. Definitely do differently on like a production standpoint. 'cause I had no idea what I was doing.
Like I didn't know the difference of like how you, you know, dynamics in a production. Like you don't want to start the song with all the bells and whistles because then you have nowhere to go. You know, you
Rachel Scott: start Yeah. But you know what they sound, obviously I've listened to this EP and they do feel some stuff that you've produced over the years.
I'm like, oh that feels very, uh, 2016 or whatever. But they feel there's a timeless element to them.
Jake Scott: Yeah. [00:05:00]
Rachel Scott: And to the writing. Thank you. That feels like why we can still enjoy listening to them today.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Thank you.
Rachel Scott: And maybe. I think leading into the next part of the story, why they did open, why that EP did open so many doors for you.
Mm. So you, you're a senior in college.
Jake Scott: Senior college,
Rachel Scott: your fall semester.
Jake Scott: Yep.
Rachel Scott: You put the EP out on iTunes. What is your hope? And be honest, not you're just like front facing. Oh, it's a hobby, it's fun. What's your, well, what are you telling people? And then Yeah, what is your actual hope for it?
Jake Scott: Of course, I'm telling people like, oh, you know,
Rachel Scott: it means nothing.
Jake Scott: I'm embarrassed to talk about it.
Rachel Scott: I know what you mean
Jake Scott: because I'm humiliated to talk about it. 'cause everyone's like, oh, you had made a, you've been made an album. And I was like, yeah. They're like, what's your band called? I was like, tossing copper. They're like, whoa, I like flopping copper. Wow. And I was like, I got that daily, or tossing Cooper or whatever.
And people would just, I mean to, as of like five days ago I got ribbed for the name Tossing Copper, uh, by a friend. [00:06:00] And uh, it was just one of those things where I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Y'all don't get it yet. Maybe you never will, because maybe this thing is gonna be a huge disaster. And it was just kind of a fun little moment I had, uh, thinking I could do this, but I had to just convince myself like, Hey, I, I believe this is good and I gotta put it out there even though my friends are making fun of me for it in, in a, in a loving way.
They weren't being mean about it, they were just
Rachel Scott: riving me. So they, because you said last time that they were supportive of your music stuff where like, hey, play at the party. You were kind of Yeah. But, but it was like, it doesn't sound like anyone was making fun of you for trying to make an ep. It was more just good hearted, like, oh, tossing golfer.
Jake Scott: Yeah. They were just giving me a hard time and like, which is totally fine. Yeah. You know,
Rachel Scott: so, okay.
Jake Scott: It still makes me, it still made me at the time be like, is this a terrible idea? Like, I'm about to humiliate
Rachel Scott: myself. Well, of course, of course. It made you feel like that.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And so
Rachel Scott: how long, um. Okay. You get the [00:07:00] demos back, you get them to the finish line, and then you're like, okay, I'm releasing it one month from today.
Yeah.
Jake Scott: It was kinda like that.
Rachel Scott: Kinda like that. And so you're leading up for that month and as it gets closer, you like boom,
Jake Scott: boom. Oh yeah. I was terrified. 'cause I was,
Rachel Scott: and also excited.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, but I think genuinely, genuinely, genuinely heart of hearts, like I didn't think anything was actually going to happen.
I knew I had a lot of friends
Rachel Scott: who
Jake Scott: would listen
Rachel Scott: at
Jake Scott: the University of Arkansas that would listen to it. And I had enough friends at other campuses that like, you know, I may get like a couple hundred people to like buy the EP on iTunes, but that would kind of be the end of it, you know? And if I was lucky, like they would all tell one friend.
And so maybe like,
Rachel Scott: yeah. You thought it would be like a stepping stone maybe. But you would still take at this point, had you taken the job in Memphis?
Jake Scott: I, yeah. I had a worship leading job lined up in Memphis to go. So you're
Rachel Scott: gonna graduate college? Go.
Jake Scott: You graduate college. Mo moved to Memphis. Start working at this church.
And, uh,
Rachel Scott: and like you said last time, maybe just do music on the side as a hobby. Yeah. I,
Jake Scott: so here your like, [00:08:00] okay.
Rachel Scott: First step in the hobby world.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. And I was clo you know, Memphis is close to Nashville, so I was like, okay, sweet. Like, I will live in Memphis, work in Memphis. Music is technically my job, and then I'll kind of moonlight to Nashville, uh, certain times when I've got like a new song that I wanna go report or whatever, you know, that was, that was at the, at that point, that was totally the, the height of my, my expectation, my dream was, yeah, you know, whoever Ryan Seacrest is gonna pick it up and run wild with this.
Oh yeah, we all have those. I'm gonna be a breakthrough sensation overnight. But like, you know, I didn't actually real, me didn't actually think that was gonna happen. I, I genuinely thought nothing was gonna really come of this. Um, and I thought like, okay, sweet. I'll start gigging in coffee shops. I'll start like, oh, cute.
Yeah. 'cause I was just like, this is how you do it. I guess you just. Start gigging. Yeah. Start playing shows anywhere you can. Um, shout out Ben Rector, who was the only singer songwriter I [00:09:00] had seen come through the University of Arkansas. And so I looked to him and be like, okay, how did he build his career?
He would, every weekend go to a different college campus and play a gig somewhere, like a sorority house or a fraternity house. So the cool
Rachel Scott: And you had a season of that later?
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I was like, I can do that. Mm-hmm. I can, I can start that process. And then I released the ep, um, as tossing copper. And
Rachel Scott: the day of, did it feel like Christmas morning?
Jake Scott: Yeah. It was cool because the day of it released and like immediately was on like the top 200
Rachel Scott: right away.
Jake Scott: On the iTunes charts? Yeah, like the iTunes.
Rachel Scott: And this was pre Spotify,
Jake Scott: so
Rachel Scott: that
Jake Scott: was like, this was before Spotify was really, it was a thing, but it wasn't, it wasn't even close to what it is now. iTunes was still the king.
Rachel Scott: Spotify was a thing. Then
Jake Scott: 2011 it came out and this was 2013.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Yeah.
Jake Scott: So it was like, it was
Rachel Scott: iTunes was king.
Jake Scott: Yeah. I had a couple friends who were like, oh, I'm on Spotify. I'm like, dude, yeah. Right. Like that's ever gonna be a thing.
Rachel Scott: You're like, the people
Jake Scott: who, and I [00:10:00] was like, iTunes is it, bro. And uh, and I had like filmed a couple YouTube videos and was like, cool, this is gonna be my like, rollout, you know?
Yeah. Like I posted about it. There's, the video still exists,
Rachel Scott: honey, when we were falling in love, I watched those videos a lot. They were so cute. I gotta go back to that. It
Jake Scott: was gracious, but like, yeah, that was it. And, and you know, I released it and that day it got in like the top 200 and I was freaking out with all my friends.
It was like, oh, this is the top 200. Uh, and I was like, this is amazing. And I was like, cool that, that's it. Done. And then the next day it was in like the top 50. Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh my gosh. And then the next day it was in the top 20, and then the next day it got to number four on the singer songwriter charts on iTunes.
Then that's when I started being like, oh wow. Like, I don't really know what's happening right now. And then I literally walked into my fraternity house and they started cheering for me.
Rachel Scott: Oh, honey.
Jake Scott: And I
Rachel Scott: was, you've never [00:11:00] told me that.
Jake Scott: Well, yeah. I've never actually said that out loud. Um, but I walked in the, the kitchen and they were like, you know, 50 people in there and they were all like, all right, tossing copper.
And
Rachel Scott: I was like,
Jake Scott: what? And they're like, yeah dude, we heard your, your albums out or whatever. And I was like, yeah. And they were like, good for you, man. Like, I don't really like it, but I like that it's pop. I like that people are buying it. And I was like, cool. Thanks man. Um, 'cause like a lot of my friends were like, you know, all they listened to was Top 40 country.
And so like,
Rachel Scott: yeah, I You gotta be
Jake Scott: kept
Rachel Scott: humble by
Jake Scott: someone. Yeah. My angsty singer songwriter folk music, they were kinda like, I don't really get it, but good for you man. Mm-hmm. And um, and then it was kind of this like, fun. Miniature moment of like, feeling like things were really happening because like, I started getting dms from like record labels.
Mm-hmm. And, um, all these a and r people being like, Hey man, I got your ep. Like, tell me what else you got going on. And I was like, secretly freaking out because I was like, I don't have anything
Rachel Scott: else. Well, yeah,
Jake Scott: like I don't have any other [00:12:00] songs. You, you've heard it baby. You said this is the, this is the extent of my catalog.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: And uh, and they were all like, what, you know, what, what can you attribute this success to? And I was like, I don't know. Like God and my friends, I guess I don't You're
Rachel Scott: DMing that to recognize
Jake Scott: Yeah. Verbatim said that. And, uh,
Rachel Scott: so sweet.
Jake Scott: And yeah, I was just kinda like, oh wow, this is crazy. Like, maybe,
Rachel Scott: maybe
Jake Scott: it could be
Rachel Scott: something,
Jake Scott: maybe I should like think about pursuing this.
Yeah. Because like, you know, this is like catching some traction. And then I get an emailed by the by billboard and they're like, Hey, congrats for charting your song. Your EP is in the, the heat secret chart. You're number four on the heat secret chart. And I was like, for real? Like, this is crazy. This is Billboard Magazine.
And um,
Rachel Scott: was your name in the magazine?
Jake Scott: Yeah, they were like, moniker Tossing Copper. This, who was actually Jake Scott, this kid from Arkansas. And I was like, this is insane. Like, I genuinely, like, I didn't know what to do with it, so I was just [00:13:00] like, okay, cool. Like, I guess I just need to start writing more songs.
And then I remember very distinctly, um, I was, I was hanging out with some friends and then, uh, a friend of a friend's or one of my family friends, one of my dad's best friends that, that said that horribly. But one of my dad's best friends, um, came up to me and was like, Hey man, I heard your ep. It's, it's good.
Like, I like it. And I was like, thank you. And, and he was like, I met this guy at a conference. Years ago, and we exchanged emails. He's a, he's a singer songwriter. He is in the music industry. Big producer. He is had, he's had a lot of hits. Um, I could try to email it to him and I was like, yeah, sure. He was like, here, just, he's probably not gonna email me back.
So like, don't get your hopes up, but like, I'll send it to him, see what he says. And I was like, yeah, sweet. Let's, let's, let's do that.
Rachel Scott: But secretly you're excited.
Jake Scott: Secretly I was freaking out.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Yeah. Was
Mr.
Rachel Scott: Like Sure. Yeah. No,
Jake Scott: no, no, no. I was like, oh, wow. That would be amazing.
Rachel Scott: [00:14:00] Yeah.
Jake Scott: But yeah, he probably won't email me back, so like, I'm not gonna hope.
But
Rachel Scott: you
Jake Scott: didn't
Rachel Scott: have a little more hope now because of everything happening.
Jake Scott: No, this, because this dude, he was like, this guy's won Grammys.
Rachel Scott: He's really prefacing it with hope.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Zero. Yeah. He was really like, don't get your hopes up, but I will try.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Yeah. So go
Jake Scott: on. And then I got lunch with that guy like two weeks later.
'cause I was like really curious of like, Hey, did you send the email? Mm-hmm. And I asked him, I was like, Hey, did, did you email that guy? He's like, you know what, I didn't, I forgot, but I'm gonna send it to him today. And then he emailed him and then he texted me like two days later and was like, Hey. He emailed me back, he wants your number, he's gonna call you Shivers.
And I then, then I freaked out. Well, yeah, because I was like, oh my gosh. And this guy's name is David Hodges and he was in the band Evanescence. And we love David, we love David. Mm-hmm. Shout out David Hodges. And he was a band Evanescence. He wrote, he had tons of hit songs, Grammy two Grammys, like so many hits.
Um, and so I'm, you know, he gets my number. I'm googling him and I'm just like, holy crap. Like,
Rachel Scott: you, you [00:15:00] get the double
Jake Scott: sugars. This is like, this guy is real, this, this, this is a for real dude. And, uh,
Rachel Scott: he's also from Arkansas. He
Jake Scott: is from the
Rachel Scott: Cool
Jake Scott: Yeah. Little Rock. Yeah. It was a cool like through line.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. He gets you.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, and so he, he reaches out and was like, Hey man, I got your number. Um. And I'd, I'd love to give you a call like, are you free tonight? And that's when, um, I was like, Hey man, uh, I'm kind of busy tonight. I've got fraternity chapter meeting,
Rachel Scott: fraternity chapter.
Jake Scott: Um, so I don't know if I can make time, but, uh, maybe after that he was like, uh, yeah, okay.
Rachel Scott: He's like, do I cancel this all together?
Jake Scott: What? Um, and so I called him later that night.
Rachel Scott: By the way, it's senior year, like everyone senior, I was in a sorority. I you were not like
Jake Scott: chapter nobody. Nobody. Oh my gosh. But
Rachel Scott: hey, you were the, you were the,
Jake Scott: he was a legend about it. And uh, and basically we got on the phone and he was just like, Hey man, people send me music all the time.[00:16:00]
And,
Rachel Scott: and he makes the, I like this. He makes the rule that he listens to all of it. Yeah. His thing, even though he's like, so obviously very in demand and he, he clearly takes the time and, I mean, look what happened to you
Jake Scott: because of
Rachel Scott: that.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I, I always listen. And 99% of the time it is terrible.
Like. God awful. But I listened to your EP and he was like, and man, I heard the first song. I was like, this is good. But anyone can stumble into one good song. And then he listened to the second song. He was like, this is good. And then he was like, once I got to song number four, I knew, I was like, you've got the thing and you're onto something here.
And I really want to help you get better because like you're green, but you, you get it.
Rachel Scott: You've got the Yeah, the thing. Yeah. Like you said,
Jake Scott: and, and. Which
Rachel Scott: is another through line for you people supporting you in that way. Edelman.
Jake Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rachel Scott: It's
Jake Scott: true.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Champions along the way, for sure. Mm-hmm.
And, and Hodge especially like, man, I owe him so much of my life, honestly, because like,
Rachel Scott: oh, I mean, he wouldn't have met.
Jake Scott: No, he called, he was like, Hey, [00:17:00] I would love to,
Rachel Scott: because again, you're from Arkansas, you're about to move to Memphis after college, and if it, if you even were dreaming of maybe doing music, it would've been Nashville.
Jake Scott: Nashville.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: LA didn't even slightly cross my mind. No. Because I was like LA's for, you know, movie stars and like people who are insane,
Rachel Scott: people who
Jake Scott: use, which is
Rachel Scott: true. Use Spotify.
Jake Scott: Yeah. People Spotify, you who's, and, and so like, it didn't even cross my mind and he was like, Hey, you know, like. I'd love to write a song with you.
Can you come to LA
Rachel Scott: What? Gosh, triple shivs. I would be so nervous.
Jake Scott: I, oh, I was terrified. 'cause I had never co-written before. Really? You know?
Rachel Scott: Well, you'd only written 10 songs.
Jake Scott: Right. But like, I I and
Rachel Scott: one of which humiliated you with the Violent it's
Jake Scott: fricking Live takes Don't do that. He doesn't
Rachel Scott: remember the name of it.
Jake Scott: Really? Yeah, it's blocked out. It's definitely dissociated.
Rachel Scott: Okay. So you fly out like, like a month
Jake Scott: later to la
Rachel Scott: Yeah,
Jake Scott: a month later. A month later. I had a couple days fall breaker Thanksgiving break and, and uh, went out there,
Rachel Scott: which I know one part of this story that's very cute. He's sitting, David lived in this part of LA where actually we always [00:18:00] lived
Jake Scott: Studio City.
Shout out.
Rachel Scott: Shout out. And he saw this like, I don't even know the name. It was some production company for very, maybe like Hallmark movies, family friendly movies, which is, you know, has its place. But Jake was like, that's probably where like,
Jake Scott: no baby. It wasn't even Hallmark at the time. The building. With some like way off brand.
Rachel Scott: Okay.
Jake Scott: Like, I'm not gonna say the name, but it was like, it wasn't even cool enough to be the Hallmark building yet. I
Rachel Scott: Hallmark would've been, you would've been like, fainted.
Jake Scott: I got to LA for the first time in my life, never been there. And I'm looking around, I'm like,
Rachel Scott: star,
Jake Scott: everybody is so famous. There's Palm.
Rachel Scott: But you're looking at that building from the Starbucks off Ventura, and you think off
Jake Scott: Oxford Ventura. And I'm like, big stuff.
Rachel Scott: Leonardo DiCaprio's about to walk
Jake Scott: out. Big stuff is going down in that building, I guarantee you right now. Mark my words. Have they heard of tossing
Rachel Scott: copper words?
Jake Scott: And I'm here, I'm amongst it.
I'm probably gonna see Brad Pitt in five minutes.
Rachel Scott: Oh, Brad Pitt was listening to your EP babe.
Jake Scott: A hundred percent. And then, uh, now hilarious. But very innocent.
Rachel Scott: Very so sweet. That innocent.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Well, and also I remember, uh, this is stupid, but I, I landed and I was like, Hey man, I'm, [00:19:00] I'm an L Lax. He was like, cool, you gonna Uber?
And I was like, what is Uber? Oh, and I, I I had no idea it was a little mean. That's
Rachel Scott: not, that's just Well, and also back then it was just
Jake Scott: becoming a thing. It was becoming a thing. But I thought it was,
Rachel Scott: we forgive you that, not Spotify, but we forget that.
Jake Scott: But, and anyway, fast forward. He and I write a couple songs over the next two days.
Um, and
Rachel Scott: did it feel okay? You've never co-written. You get in there with him, obviously there's nerves, but did right away it feel like I know how to do this and I enjoy, like, you knew you were good at it and it was going well, or were you like, I am.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Not doing well.
Jake Scott: No. Yes, yes it did. And I don't know if that's because David is such a pro
Rachel Scott: that definitely adds to it,
Jake Scott: or if it's because I was actually good.
But he created a
Rachel Scott: combo,
Jake Scott: he created an environment that he was just kind of like, he knew to, to win, to give me space, to like explore an idea. Mm-hmm. Because I had no idea what I was doing. Yeah. And he, he never, he never like imposed [00:20:00] his opinion on me. He was really, really good about just being like, Hey, that's cool.
I even remember like. I, I got there and I was so intimidated because if you walk into a studio, there's just plaques everywhere. Like, uh, coloring the wall. So it's just hit after hit after hit. And you already
Rachel Scott: had
Jake Scott: your late
Rachel Scott: night
Jake Scott: Grammy
Rachel Scott: Google sessions,
Jake Scott: like you? Yeah. Oh yeah. And so I'm walking in there and I was just like, I, I am terrified right now.
I've been up since 5:00 AM 'cause I'm on central time and I've, I've had like six Starbucks coffees. I'm just, I am,
Rachel Scott: you're
Jake Scott: sick. I'm jacked to the back.
Rachel Scott: You're six 12 egg bites
Jake Scott: and 12 egg bites. And so I get there and I'm just, I'm so nervous. And he, he was like, all right, cool. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
And then he left the room for like a long time, like an awkwardly amount long. Okay. Let's
Rachel Scott: not out David.
Jake Scott: No, no, not, not because of that. I then learned after the fact that he did it on purpose so that I could like, get comfortable in the room,
Rachel Scott: how subtle
Jake Scott: and not feel intimidated by him.
Rachel Scott: He's very good at what he does.
Jake Scott: He's so good. And he just left. And I was like, cool. And so I sat down at his [00:21:00] piano and I started playing this little like thing.
Rachel Scott: Were you kind of hoping through the wall? He could hear it.
Jake Scott: Oh, of course, but, but I was also just kinda like, all right, I'm just gonna play. And he walks in the room, he goes, what's that?
And I was like, oh,
Rachel Scott: shivers.
Jake Scott: And I was like, oh, it's this little thing. He was like, let's write that. And I was like, uh. And he was like, do you have a melody? And I was like, well, yeah, I have this little thing. And he was like, sweet. And then he sat down at the computer and recorded me playing it, and then started laying down these things.
And like for a kid who'd never seen someone building a track as you're going, I was like, this is sorcery. Like what is happening right
Rachel Scott: now? Now? Was it intimidating or did it feel, oh my gosh, I'm so interested
Jake Scott: in It was fascinating.
Rachel Scott: Fascinating. And also I think, like you said, he set the stage, but I can see, I mean, for me creatively, if I were in that situation, for him to walk in and be like, let's dive in and not have to like,
Jake Scott: mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: What are we gonna write about? That would've ruined it. No. Yeah. But it's like, you're already playing something. No, let's dive in and
Jake Scott: go. It was like a masterful technique.
Rachel Scott: Well, and I think, again, knowing now that you. Can be the experienced writer in the room with more green people. You can still be the [00:22:00] David of that situation and have someone come in and if they don't have it, then like, it doesn't matter.
Jake Scott: No,
Rachel Scott: but it's, it's that pairing of someone who knows how to nurture talent and then someone with Yeah, the gift coming in that is like,
Jake Scott: for sure. For sure. And I've had both, several times.
Rachel Scott: Yeah, you did. And so, so you write that day.
Jake Scott: No, what I mean is I've experienced both. Now on the other side of it coming in,
Rachel Scott: sorry, I'll be so honest.
I did not even listen to a word you were saying.
Jake Scott: Classic.
Rachel Scott: You have experienced
Jake Scott: welcome to our marriage. That's just the other, it's the other way around. Um, but yeah, so like, it was such a, uh, kind of another moment in my life where I was like light bulb, like, oh, this is it. This is what I want to do. And I was watching him do his thing on the computer and, and producing and I was like, I know I can do this, but I just don't know how I need, I need to learn how to do what he's doing.
But I know my brain thinks this way. Um,
Rachel Scott: the production,
Jake Scott: the production of it, and. He was so gracious to me because I'm 21 idiot kid coming in and he's [00:23:00] this like, incredibly successful
Rachel Scott: mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: Very famous within the industry. Like, everybody knows this dude, and I'm coming in and I, he let me just, just roll with my opinions and I, like, he would throw out ideas and I was like, nah, I'm not into that, but I like this, this, and this.
Rachel Scott: I mean, I love that he did that, but I also love that you had the courage to say that to him, that he, that that just means you felt safe.
Jake Scott: I felt safe, yeah. And he made, he made it such a safe environment for me to just be like, Hey, I, I, I like that. I don't like what you're doing there. And he was like, cool, so I'll do something else.
And uh, and then we wrote a song and like, I felt like we had just conquered the world. Like, I was just like, this is, and then
Rachel Scott: how long did it take?
Jake Scott: Uh, I thought we wrote the song for three or four hours. Okay. And then, you know, five or six hours into it, the recording was done. Like we, I had ang that song and I was listening back to it and I was like.
Rachel Scott: How would you do this? What is this? Yeah, yeah.
Jake Scott: What is this man like, I can I, can we do it again? And uh, and then we did it again the next day. And then he sat me down and was basically like, Hey, you know, like [00:24:00] this trip was kind of a tryout. Like I'm starting a publishing company, which is basically for those who don't know, like a record label for songwriters.
Like they, you have a publishing company that, that they offer you a salary to come write songs. Primarily pitching them for other artists who are assigned to record labels. The record labels and the publishing companies are constantly working together to make new music for their artists in a nutshell.
So he's starting a publishing company and he was like, I would love to, you know, talk about offering you a publishing deal. 'cause I think after these two days, I want to help you become an artist. I wanna help you make your next album. And I think you're really onto something as an artist, but I also think you're probably gonna have the skillset to do what I do, which is right for other people too.
And if you can do both of those things. You can really have like a long career in this industry because, you know, on the rollercoaster ride of your artist career that it will have ups and downs. You'll always have this other means of making [00:25:00] an income.
Rachel Scott: Well, and did he even know at that point, because, not to bring it back to Spotify again, but I guess you had already self-released on iTunes, but knowing me, knowing your story, um, and that you did obviously start releasing music on Spotify, that is really what opened doors for you?
Like did he, but, but was he even aware of how much, at that point, giving you the skillset to produce would enable your artist's career? Yeah, I mean he, but I mean, I feel like at that point it wasn't as common to to to be
Jake Scott: Okay. Yeah. True.
Rachel Scott: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It was like more traditional than maybe where mm-hmm.
You know, you hire a different producer or if you do produ, uh, like there weren't. I mean, I don't really know, I'm just making assumptions, but I just know that you were at that cross hairs where things really shifted and all of a sudden people were frequently releasing music. Yeah. But the fact that you could produce your own music saved you, us thousands and thousands of dollars and enabled you to frequently release music, which is what ended up opening so many doors for you.
I mean, but like 100% it [00:26:00] felt separate at the time. Like, I'll produce for other people and I'll be an artist and, and in fact mm-hmm. The producing is what enabled your artist career.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: I mean, maybe you would've gotten there, but it would've cost a lot more money and it would've been a slower process because as you know, producers work with, you know, I
Jake Scott: don't, I mean, yeah.
I, I think I could've gotten
Rachel Scott: there. I know you would've gotten there. I
Jake Scott: just, I don't know. But like, yeah, having that skillset has given me a career. Everything. Yeah. Everything. And he told me that, I don't know if he meant it in the artist sense of it, but he was like, dude, if you can produce music. You will always have a career in this, in this industry because you're not beholden to anybody.
If you have a song that you've written, you can make it, you can turn it into a real thing. You don't have to wait for someone else. You have to pay somebody else. Yeah. You can do this for other people, which will also provide for you. Uh, and like you just are constantly in the driver's seat of your own life.
Rachel Scott: Well, yeah. And it's just crazy because, I mean, again, knowing your story, you would never have chosen to learn to produce the in the way that you did with him. No. You thought you were gonna move. I mean, [00:27:00] this, you had put this EP out, it had done well, and then you went out there with David and it was, he knew you wanted to be an artist.
And I think knowing what you've told me, you were like, great, I'll move to LA and I will put out an album and I'll get on a tour bus and I won't. Yeah. That's what I'll be doing. So maybe you'll dabble in the producing. Mm-hmm. But it was never going to be what it, in your mind, what it ended up being. Yeah.
But what it ended up being is what paved your way.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And, and I think I had this innate thing of me in me of just being like. Because I so thought like a producer, I knew when I saw him doing it, I was like, whoa, I need to learn this. Because,
Rachel Scott: because you knew you could do it.
Jake Scott: I knew I could do it, and I knew that my brain already thought like that.
'cause I produced the ep, but I didn't want to be the, the guy kind of in the traditional sense who was behind the scenes of like, Hey, the engineer is executing everything and he's doing all the computer work and I'm just kind of calling the shots.
Well,
Rachel Scott: yeah. Back then, especially I feel like it was like, well, artists aren't the producers and so Right.
You didn't wanna be put in the pigeonhole of he's a producer and writer for other people.
Jake Scott: No. Yeah. Yeah. You
Rachel Scott: [00:28:00] wanted to do that, but it wasn't, that wasn't all you wanted to do.
Jake Scott: Yes. But what I'm saying is like I knew, I knew that I had to learn how to do it to be able to execute the ideas in my head that, that were the songs.
I was like, oh, I know how I want these to sound. I don't want to depend on other people to get 'em there. Interesting. Okay. Because I was like. I know I can, I can do it. I can know. I know I'm, I am a producer and this is how I'm going to do this. I just have to learn the computer. And I, when I saw David doing it, that's when I was like, this is gonna be really annoying.
'cause I hate sitting at a computer, but I know that I have to learn how to do this. And so
Rachel Scott: I've never heard you say that. I always thought,
Jake Scott: yeah, no, weirdly, I'm kind of like,
Rachel Scott: remember
Jake Scott: as you're saying that, I'm like, well, it wasn't exactly that. It was like the second I saw it, the light bulb clicks and I was like, this is what I have to learn.
Rachel Scott: Wow. Yeah. You just were, you just knew Intuitively.
Jake Scott: I knew intuitively. That's like, I gotta put in my 10,000 hours. I've only written 10 songs. I need to learn how to do this.
Rachel Scott: Well, especially you saw how fast you [00:29:00] did it.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I was just like, this is the path. Like I have to, I have to just get this program and go,
Rachel Scott: okay, so then, okay, that's, I love.
Learning new things about chip learning, because I thought it was like you ended up learning it, but you had seen it. No,
Jake Scott: it wasn't one of those things where it was just kinda like, oh, I guess I'll, it was like I knew like, this is what I'm going to learn.
Rachel Scott: But you still have said to me a million times, and I know you still feel like at the same time you were gonna move there and get on a bus.
Jake Scott: Yes.
Rachel Scott: And be like,
Jake Scott: well, yeah, but I thought the only extent of me learning how to do this was for myself.
Rachel Scott: Right.
Jake Scott: Because I was like, I'm an artist. I'm about to go, you know, start writing a ton of songs. I'm gonna learn how to do this, but I'm gonna get on a tour bus and start touring, and that's gonna be my dream.
That's what I'm gonna be doing.
Rachel Scott: So you have that first trip, you end up accepting the publishing deal.
Jake Scott: Yes.
Rachel Scott: And then you moved,
Jake Scott: I mean, the next part of the story is, is kind of like, we can go more bullet points, but like, yeah, we
Rachel Scott: don't want bullet points. We want the meat
Jake Scott: the next, this is actually funny, I will say [00:30:00] the story, he was kinda like, this was like, you know, Thanksgiving of my senior year.
So he was like, so obviously you're gonna drop out and move to la. Like you're not gonna finish college. You know, it's like. I mean, I've only got six months left. Like I've got one semester left to graduate,
Rachel Scott: which is actually like three months.
Jake Scott: Which is only, yeah, exactly. I was like, dude, I'm so close to the finish line, like I think I'm just gonna graduate.
And he was like, oh yeah, cool, cool. He thought I could see in his eyes. I was like, dude, you're so, you idiot soak
Rachel Scott: that three
Jake Scott: months
Rachel Scott: could have made it.
Jake Scott: It could. It could have made a difference. But anyway, so the next semester I like structured my schedule to where I had two full days a week to just write and learn production.
And it was an absolute disaster of me trying to teach myself. 'cause for some reason the light bulb didn't click that I could watch YouTube videos teach
Rachel Scott: again. I feel like that was kind of new back then to
Jake Scott: even, no, that is El That at the, at that point, like I was already such a consumer of YouTube that it just didn't connect in my head of like, I bet someone made a tutorial video about this.
Rachel Scott: Yes. But all that kind of stuff was new.
Jake Scott: Ish.
Rachel Scott: [00:31:00] Ish.
Jake Scott: I look back on it and a lot of my friends who came up with the exact same time were like, yeah, I just taught myself on YouTube.
Rachel Scott: So did you learn anything?
Jake Scott: I did not think about that. No, I nothing. And like,
Rachel Scott: but you were writing songs and I, I just love,
Jake Scott: I was writing songs.
I was
Rachel Scott: writing like Yeah, that discipline is what sets you apart too, to actually Thank you do that. Because I think that can be hard. It's
Jake Scott: so hard. Self It was hard. I was sitting there alone and my friends were like, oh yeah, J writing songs. And I was like, Hey guys, I'm gonna be a professional
Rachel Scott: self. I mean, at this point they probably took you
Jake Scott: a little seriously at this point.
Was a like, they took it a lot more seriously. 'cause like,
Rachel Scott: you're moving to la You
Jake Scott: got it. Yeah. Yeah. I was moving to la I was working with Hodge, but
Rachel Scott: they still have to rib you
Jake Scott: just very re all the time. But like, you know, I was starting to play shows here and there around town that were going well and stuff like that.
Anyway, all this's to say Fast forward graduate. And then summer of 2014, I moved to la Uh, met you.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: That's a whole nother podcast. That's a whole nother episode.
Rachel Scott: Let's stick to the music.
Jake Scott: And uh, got there, went straight to Hodge's house and was just like, all right bro. Like, I'm [00:32:00] here, let's do it. And before, before this, he was kinda like, Hey, move to la.
A publishing company isn't fully like set up yet, but it will be by, you know, the beginning of 2015, that that's when like, things will really be rolling. And I was kinda like, well, I'm not gonna just sit in my apartment for six months waiting for this publishing deal to come about. So I was like, can I be like your intern at your studio?
Mm-hmm. Can I just kind of like watch you do your thing? And he was like, yeah, I'm not gonna pay you, but like, sure, like you can come intern for me. And I was like, sweet. 'cause I just wanna learn. I just wanna watch. I wanna learn how you produce. I wanna be a part of it. And so that's what I did. I moved to LA immediately started interning for him for six months and he just let me pull up a chair next to him and just watch him work
Rachel Scott: well and didn't he start being like pretty quickly, like, all right Jake, you take over, throwing you in the deep
Jake Scott: end.
Six weeks in, he, so his way of teaching me, which I so appreciate now, was like, sit here, [00:33:00] watch me, and ask questions. Um. Because he's producing all the demos that he'd been writing that day. So I wasn't usually in the session early on. I would come in after the fact, after the other co-writers had left.
Right? And he's like, all right, this sounds terrible right now. Let's clean it up. Watch me do this. And then he, yeah, at the six week point, he had a session that day and he was like, Hey, you're coming in on the session. I was like, okay, sweet. And he was like, oh, you're gonna be building the track today. And I was like, today?
And he was like, yep. I was like, bro, I'm not ready for this. And he was like, gotta be ready.
Rachel Scott: I gosh, I love it. It's like, I'm
Jake Scott: ready. Your, and he had this chair in the back of the room and he just sat there and like folded his hands. And I was like, do
Rachel Scott: you think he was trying to
Jake Scott: inate? Oh yeah. He definitely was.
I, I love him for that. He is very like, ceremonial about it, but uh, yeah. And so he just tossed me into the, did you
Rachel Scott: just utterly fail?
Jake Scott: He was. No, I didn't. I didn't because I had seen him do his thing and it was fast. I was So then you found,
Rachel Scott: oh, it has osmosis a little bit.
Jake Scott: It [00:34:00] has a little bit. But then I would kind of turn around and be like, Hey, David.
Mm-hmm. What's that? What's that? Uh, you know, quick key thing. And like, he, he was helping me, obviously. Yeah, he's helping me. But at the end of the day, how he was like, Hey, nice. Good job. Oh,
Rachel Scott: and you lived off that for
Jake Scott: months? Oh, I'm still living on it. It's been, it's been 10 years. Um, but anyway, so the next, I signed the publishing deal beginning of 2015, and then I'm like officially doing it.
He gave me my own room in the studio.
Rachel Scott: Did you find yourself falling in love with the producing, or did it feel like the way that you did the writing and the performing, or did it feel different?
Jake Scott: I, yes.
Rachel Scott: Obviously you knew you wanted to learn it, but
Jake Scott: Yes, I think I, I think I did. I think production to me has always felt a little bit more like work than writing.
Writing still feels like magic to me. Because it is such a spiritual experience of just like, whoa, what is this thing? I'm receiving this. This is, I've never heard this before. I've never said this before, and it just p happens. Production is kind of like, okay, I have this vision in my [00:35:00] head and how do I not f it up on the way to execution?
Rachel Scott: Is there any passion in it?
Jake Scott: Yes.
Rachel Scott: Any magic.
Jake Scott: Yes, there is magic in it, especially when you get an idea or you accidentally hit a button and it does something and you're like, whoa, I would've never thought to do that. But that sounds awesome. Like that sounds really cool. And also like I feel like this is probably for everybody.
Like even if you're just really good at making a spreadsheet, like when you're good at doing something and you're just rolling, there's this innate sense of like, wow. Like I love what I do. I am I'm, I love that. I am good at this. I love that I can do it. I love getting. The ability to do this. And I love when I can execute what's in my head.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Because it took me a long years to get to the point where like if I had a vision, I could pretty much, pretty much capture it.
Rachel Scott: Right.
Jake Scott: Not every time, but like when that happens, it, there's, it's an [00:36:00] incredible feeling.
Rachel Scott: Right. Yeah. And I mean, I watched you because I met you so quickly after moving that I was a witness to pretty much all of this.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And what I saw was you became better and better and over within the first couple of years you started producing music for our friends who were mm-hmm. Pursuing it. And that became paid work for you. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was like your first
Jake Scott: keeping my, my
Rachel Scott: lights on. Yeah. But, but obviously you also had, I mean, I think anything musical you are natural at, you have a knack for even that more mathy, like production's more mathy.
Right?
Jake Scott: Totally.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. So even that, all of it, you, you have that ability to do, which not, is not true for every musician.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: But I, what I remember. That I wanna hear you talk about is, you know, you moved there with the ultimate dream of being an artist. You had released your ep, you did end up under Tossing, copper, releasing an album, what, a year later?
A year in
Jake Scott: something like
Rachel Scott: that? Yeah. And some great music, like some of my favorite songs Yeah. Of yours are on that. But after that, and, and, and even in that, you know, [00:37:00] you made that album, but it was also like, okay, but I'm also still really focusing on producing and writing for other people and
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: You put that album out.
Yeah. And then you had kind of, what I witnessed was you convinced yourself, really, I'm gonna be a songwriter and a producer.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Like, talk about that, like the first couple years there, why you
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Went down that path and,
Jake Scott: well, even when you asked me the question of like, did you fall in love with the production of it, I think I got really, really, really caught up in the game.
You know?
Rachel Scott: Well, tell us about the game.
Jake Scott: Well, what I mean by that is like. Oh, there's an industry here. There are, there's a, there's a new ladder to climb that I didn't even know existed. I had no idea that this industry of writers and producers was a thing. And David showed me that and I was kind of like, oh, I want to conquer this game.
I want to be the best producer and the best writer that I can possibly be. I want cuts on all the biggest albums. I want the biggest [00:38:00] artists, you know, because I'm seeing these like a-list songwriters coming through the Yeah, the studio every day.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. You're seeing the best of the best,
Jake Scott: best of the best working with, with Hodges.
Rachel Scott: And it's also like they, you are loving that part of it. Love the writing and producing. So it's like, okay, this is a, an active ladder I can climb. And yes, it's very accessible to me.
Jake Scott: Yes. But like you're saying, it was. It was like a placebo ladder.
Rachel Scott: But you didn't know that at
Jake Scott: the time? No, I had no clue.
'cause I, you thought it was at the time, I was like, oh, I'm learning so much. This is, so, it is scratching the itch of this, this passion that I have of making music, of producing and writing. I'm surrounded by these like huge songwriters who were talking about the cuts they're having on like Bieber's Next record and all these huge people.
Just like, it is crazy. The, the, the, the people I was around at the time, and I got very caught up in the, the fact of like, okay, well this is still making music, you know, like I'm still doing the thing I'm passionate about, but I, I didn't notice it at the time, but I was very quickly distracted from [00:39:00] my ultimate dream and my ultimate goal.
And then got really, really caught up in the current of like, okay, this is a, a parallel, not even parallel. This is kind of like I'm slowly getting off track and like. So slowly and subtly that I didn't even really notice it until like two years into it.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: That I was like, oh wow. I'm so far away from where I actually like want to be.
Rachel Scott: Well, and by that point, by two years into living in LA, how much of your time was focused on writing your own music compared to other people?
Jake Scott: Zero.
Rachel Scott: Zero. So you're doing zero for your artist career. Fully writing and producing, which is like an ama. I mean this is, I'll never forget you saying it to me. An amazing career.
An amazing career. Oh yeah. Which is why I think you were, what's the word? Distracted into it, because it is a big part of what you're meant to do.
Jake Scott: Right.
Rachel Scott: But your deepest heart, your deepest, biggest dream is to do your own music.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And that's why I got into it in the first place. And so like for me, I think it happened subtly and it happened quickly that [00:40:00] I, 'cause we, I got there, made the Tossing Copper album with Hodges like the first month I was there.
And then I just put it on the back burner. 'cause I was like, I got so much to learn.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And things are moving really fast.
Rachel Scott: Thank God you did that. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, you needed those years of. Learning to produce, and I've just, uh, what's the word?
Jake Scott: I mean,
Rachel Scott: not the 10, grinding your teeth, striking your match,
Jake Scott: putting your hours grinding.
I don't,
Rachel Scott: cutting your teeth, grinding your teeth, cutting your teeth,
Jake Scott: grinding your teeth, being super stressed.
Rachel Scott: You needed to not sleeping. You needed to cut your teeth.
Jake Scott: I needed to cut my teeth. And like, I knew I had to put in my 10,000 hours and those three years,
Rachel Scott: which is humility,
Jake Scott: were my,
Rachel Scott: yeah.
Jake Scott: 10,000 hours.
And yeah, there was humility in it, but I'm not gonna say it was altruistic. Like, I also was kind of like, I wanna win this game.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. I was about to say, and that, that's another, along with the insecurity piece. I think a big piece for you, a battle in your life is if there's a ladder, you wanna climb it.
Jake Scott: Yes.
Rachel Scott: Like, you could end up being like, wow, all of a sudden I'm a bus driver. That's right. Because I got on a bus once and that guy was so good at it, and I wanted to learn how
Jake Scott: mean I could
Rachel Scott: [00:41:00] drive this bus. And then, and then you're in, like, in another state, I
Jake Scott: could whip this thing
Rachel Scott: around. I'm a frigging dart bus.
I
Jake Scott: know that's, that's another, that's another podcast. But like, um. Yeah, I think, I think
Rachel Scott: so. What's your turning point?
So
Jake Scott: I remember it.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Very clearly. I'll, I'll tell the quick version of it. I opened for a friend at a show and you were there, and this was probably two and a half years into my three year publishing deal.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And you, we got home that night
Rachel Scott: because we were married at this
Jake Scott: point. We were married and we were laying in bed and you were like, Hey, right now, gun to your head. If you had to choose, if you're gonna be a full-time writer for the rest of your life, or a full-time artist for the rest of your life, what would you choose?
And I said, full-time artist. And you were like, well, you're not getting any younger, so if this is gonna happen, you gotta jump now. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's right. Like, and you were, you were so right. You're like, what are you doing?
Rachel Scott: Well, and I remember the conversation. I remember almost more than I do remember that obviously.
But a couple weeks prior to that, you know, I was. [00:42:00] Getting to know you as you were becoming this songwriter producer. But then as I got to know you and heard about, obviously ended up, ended up marrying you. I knew about your real dream of being an artist and I remember sitting in the backyard when we were engaged at my outlet house.
Mm-hmm. And you, you like trying to convince me, all I wanna do is songwriting is amazing. What's wrong with it? And I was like, it's an incredible career. You are like one of the 1% of people who would get to do this. What a blessing. Yeah. But it, but is that actually what you wanna do? And your mo I now know so well is to deny it first.
So you've fully denied to yourself. No, no, no. This is what I want. I don't, yeah, maybe I'll be an artist, but like this is the career path. I'm gonna focus kind of back to your, you know, original when you put the EP out, I'm gonna be a worship leader and this will be my hobby. Yeah. So then you found a more stable career, songwriting and producing.
Jake Scott: Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Rachel Scott: Well stable compared to trying to do your own
Jake Scott: music. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's all crazy, but within
Rachel Scott: crazy it's all crazy.
Jake Scott: It's a more predictable, crazy.
Rachel Scott: Yeah, it is. I mean, 'cause you can produce for multiple people. Yes. As you had already found you. You can only, you're only betting on [00:43:00] yourself if you're putting out your own music.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: So you had tried to convince me of that. And I don't, I'm sure I do remember fighting you, but I must have laid it down. But then it was like a couple weeks later at the show, when I remember I do, I remember watching you and then I obviously remember that conversation. And then that was it. That was all you needed.
Jake Scott: Well, and God gave me you. No
Rachel Scott: God. Yay.
Jake Scott: Shout out they bomb.
Rachel Scott: Oh, I did. I just sing.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Babe, come on. Give the world what they want. But
Rachel Scott: please,
Jake Scott: like God knew what he's doing by bringing you into my life. Because I can convince myself and I will fully believe
Rachel Scott: it. Hey, bus driver. I know,
Jake Scott: I know. But like I will not ask questions for 15 years.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Until I finally wake up. I'm like, wait, what? Where am I? Why
Rachel Scott: am
Jake Scott: I
Rachel Scott: mining coal? Like
Jake Scott: you are so good. 'cause you were like, you were like, Hey. I don't really believe what you're saying to me right now. Like, I see that you, you believe it, but I don't think you really, I don't think you, you had those
Rachel Scott: twisty
Jake Scott: ice and I was mad at you.
'cause I was like, what are you talking about? Like, this is what I'm doing. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm only gonna write and produce for other people for the rest of my life and it's [00:44:00] gonna be amazing. Well, and you were like, okay, if that's what you want, but like I, you're pushing and then that seed got in there, that
Rachel Scott: seed got in and then it obviously was watered and bloomed the next couple weeks.
Yeah. Because you always come around once, once I popped your denial.
Jake Scott: Yeah, you do. I always do. Come
Rachel Scott: around. It festers my poison gets in there. Yeah. And, and poisons you from the inside out. And then you're ready to go like a month later. Please man. But you, I, I mean, it doesn't matter what we do, we're all meant to do different things.
Mm-hmm. Like that's the, that's the thing. It, I don't care what you do, I don't care what you wanna do. I just want you to do what you wanna do. Right. And not take the easy way. Like, I'd rather you be a failed musician than a successful singer songwriter. I'm sorry. I'd rather you be a failed. Uh, musician, solo artist, then a successful producer,
Jake Scott: bus driver.
Rachel Scott: But no. Or successful, no, I know. What is anything else? Because fail at what you love.
Jake Scott: Yeah, yeah.
Rachel Scott: Instead of being good at something that is, that is safe that you don't fully love.
Jake Scott: Well, that is like a, not placebo. I'm not trying to talk down about
Rachel Scott: it's, it's not. But that's
Jake Scott: being a writer producer. 'cause like I have so many people that's like, [00:45:00] that's what they're
Rachel Scott: called to do this with Friday.
But it has nothing to do.
Jake Scott: Absolutely.
Rachel Scott: Crush me. Like, like switch out the names. If you wanna be a circus artist, that's your path. I, and it may be for you being that was top of mine. But I also think, honey, I also think oftentimes people. People flip it and they think, well, I should want to be the star. But actually what they wanna do is be the behind the scenes person.
Behind scenes. Yeah. And that means that that is the path. Don't be a star. Don't star whatever. Don't be the artist yourself. Like go follow that path. It has nothing to do with what career it is. It just has to do with what you want. You know what you actually want, want and what God put in your heart
Jake Scott: did you actually want.
Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And, and you are the most obvious. I mean, you're like stars in your eyes to be an artist, but then you're like, no, I'm gonna be a bus driver. And it's just like, no, you're not. Yeah. Go do this thing
Jake Scott: anyway. And I forbids myself that. I love it. But also, yeah, I mean, I think, I think deep down I had this sense of like, one day I'll pick up my artistry again.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. Once I've like,
Jake Scott: but then you were like,
Rachel Scott: grinded your teeth.
Jake Scott: Yeah. You grind, grinded them teeth. But you were like, Hey, now is, it's now or never, like,
Rachel Scott: and you were like
Jake Scott: 20 at the time. I'm like, youre getting old. Yeah. I was so, so [00:46:00] young. But like.
Rachel Scott: Woke. But what I was trying, it woke me up to say was, Hey, why now is the time?
Now is the time.
Jake Scott: Like what are you doing? You're, if you wait forever, you're gonna be waiting forever.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. And you, and you jumped, I mean, the next year of your life was, was starting to focus, like you told your team, you told your people. Yeah. David included, like, I wanna focus on my own music.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And
Jake Scott: which was another weird, uh, thing of like, even like back to when I was about to release my first EP to all my friends being like, Hey, I'm gonna do this.
And they're all kind of like, oh, all right. Yeah. Good for you bro. Mm-hmm. Like, go try to do your thing. When you are in the music industry and you have kind of established yourself as a writer, producer for other people, and you say you want to start doing being an artist, people are kind of like, oh, okay.
You know, like, well, yeah, go get it outta your system, bro. You'll come back. Mm-hmm. And I remember being really like, frustrated by that. 'cause I was like, you don't get it. I'm, I really mean this. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm gonna go do it and I'm gonna try to do this. You
Rachel Scott: want it to be taken seriously. [00:47:00]
Jake Scott: I wanna taken seriously.
And, and so I started prioritizing a lot more days in my schedule. And then
Rachel Scott: to write for your own
Jake Scott: music. To write for myself Yeah. Rather than to write for other people. And then slowly but surely, um, you know, my, my contract was up with the initial publishing deal
Rachel Scott: with David's
Jake Scott: Company. Yeah. With, with Hodges.
And we had a very, very mutual, uh, parting of ways at the end of that contract. 'cause he was just like, Hey, if I offer you another deal, like obviously, like I need you to be writing for other people, you know, five days a week. And I was like, I totally respect that and understand that, but like, if I am gonna give this artist thing a real shot, like I, I've gotta give it my all.
Rachel Scott: Which, like, you're glossing over that. But that was a pivotal moment for us because that was, I mean, I was working, but that was half of our income was Yeah. That publishing deal. And so then the thing that had been the biggest deal for your music career was this publishing deal. This. You know,
Jake Scott: got me into the industry.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. And remind me you still had your room or had he moved at this point? He had [00:48:00] moved, yeah. So David had moved to Nashville. So you weren't working in his studio anymore. You were working from home. So the one connection you had to like, um, stability was
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: This publishing deal.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And you lose the publishing deal
Jake Scott: and being Hodge's, like
Rachel Scott: Hodge's guy.
Yeah. Hodge's guy.
Jake Scott: And you know, that opens so many doors
Rachel Scott: for you. Yeah. And I mean, naturally and, and you kind of are going off on your own path. You don't, you, you and your manager part ways at the time. Mm-hmm. Who had you had been more of I'm a songwriter for other people. And so, so you're fully alone for the first time in your career, like career at this point.
Yeah. No money coming in.
Jake Scott: Yeah,
Rachel Scott: no money. You're married to a high maintenance. Girly
Jake Scott: hot.
Rachel Scott: You are hot
Jake Scott: than high maintenance.
Rachel Scott: That is my bio
Jake Scott: baby. That's, that's your memoir.
Rachel Scott: Proud of it. So. No money coming in, no relationships. Loser.
Jake Scott: Absolute peace.
Rachel Scott: Absolute sc there. But you, like I will never forget, and I think this is kind of part of what we're talking about with this podcast with you and I is like, for passion, [00:49:00] we will die.
Jake Scott: Oh yeah.
Rachel Scott: So like we
Jake Scott: leaping
Rachel Scott: on, we had a rent LA which is expensive, and I was doing, you know, odd jobs at the time that like they brought money in, but you know, we lost half our money and so.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: But we were, I was like, let's do this baby. Yeah. And so were you, I think we had a day. It was more, it was less fear and more just sadness of like, okay, this is the end of that era.
And that's always gonna be sad, especially for a nostalgic sucker like you. Oh
Jake Scott: yeah.
Rachel Scott: But, but it was so good and I think it was one of the first jump off a cliff moments for us.
Jake Scott: Big time
Rachel Scott: that hugely paid off. Yeah. And so, so at that point, was that 2017?
Jake Scott: 2017.
Rachel Scott: So then the next January well actually talk about how you got the idea.
To release a song a month. 'cause at this point you've been writing for yourself, but you have released no solo music since the tossing copper stuff.
Jake Scott: 2015. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: So it's been years since you've released. Yeah. You don't know if anyone likes you anymore.
Jake Scott: Yeah. I'm, I am a absolute
Rachel Scott: loser. You are A paper bag in the wind.[00:50:00]
What's that? That's that Katy Paris song.
Jake Scott: You're ripping firework right now, babe.
Rachel Scott: A love. Hey, fire firework Jake Scott YouTube. Check it out. One of the reasons I fell in love.
Jake Scott: Roar. Babe. Come. Come
Rachel Scott: on. Roar. Roar. Shoot. Jake, get
Jake Scott: my references right?
Rachel Scott: You said
Jake Scott: firework. We were married.
Rachel Scott: I know. It all blends. Okay.
Jake Scott: Anyway. Yeah, I did a cover of Roar back in 2013.
Rachel Scott: Check it out.
Jake Scott: Check it out. You wanna see growth?
Rachel Scott: I'll never forget I had food poisoning one day when we were engaged and I watched that over and over and then I was vomiting every year. Okay. Okay. Gosh, so, so you've released no music, you're a loser. What's
Jake Scott: next?
Yeah, and then it's like, wow, sweet. I have a rock bottom. No,
Rachel Scott: no. We thrive off rock
Jake Scott: bottom. Yeah, we loved it and, and it was a leap of faith and we both agreed like, okay. We're gonna go for this. Like, you know,
Rachel Scott: had you, had you met Dylan yet?
Jake Scott: We Yes. Yeah, we were, we were already working.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. So, I mean, that's a big part of the story.
He met a, yeah. Wonderful. A manager
Jake Scott: had a manager at the time. Who was, who believed,
Rachel Scott: shout out. Dylan. Dylan. Dylan
Jake Scott: Born
Rachel Scott: Yes. Believed in you as an artist.
Jake Scott: Believed in me so much and I, and I [00:51:00] needed, I needed that so bad at that time. 'cause I was like, dude, what am I even doing? And he was just like, bro, you've got these songs.
These are really good. You should put 'em out. And I was like, yeah, alright, alright.
Rachel Scott: You needed that. So
Jake Scott: I needed it so much. And, and I remember at the time the way I got the concept for, for, because I was writing and producing for so many other independent artists who, who quite frankly had not a whole lot going on like myself.
Like all of us till something goes like all of us. Yeah. Yeah. When you're first getting started, you have these dreams of being this huge artist who's operating with on the traditional. You know, rollout schedule of like, you spend two years making an album, you roll out three singles and you drop the album and you go on this big tour.
But like, that only works when you're already huge. When the world is waiting for your next album, you
Rachel Scott: know, or you get a record deal and you're built from
Jake Scott: Yeah. And you've got a machine behind you. But that was
Rachel Scott: the way it was.
Jake Scott: But when you don't have that, the biggest mistake I saw so many artists do that I was [00:52:00] working for, that I was making their songs, was they would just wait so long and put all their eggs in the basket of this one song when, you know, it would come out.
And inevitably, like you get pretty much crickets at the beginning. Mm-hmm. Because like, no one knows who you are yet. Yeah. And that's okay. And I think the, the hardest thing to swallow as an independent artist is like, I'm not famous and I, the world is not waiting for this body of work. Probably no one's even gonna know that I really, it's for that body right song, but like, but instead of putting all my hope, can you please
Rachel Scott: laugh at that?
Okay, go ahead.
Jake Scott: All, all of my hope can't be in this one thing because this is all building up to something bigger. And
Rachel Scott: you, I remember you being like, uh, people, and maybe this was Sherry Short who had this conversation with you, like,
Jake Scott: with Yeah,
Rachel Scott: yeah. Like, um, stop trying to make things perfect. Like the song is good enough.
Release it.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And, and exactly. And so like, my thing was like, I have the [00:53:00] ability now after writing and producing so many songs for so many different people, I can turn a song around fast.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: I can, I can get it done within like a, a couple days, like, um, which is so cool. But like, I don't have to wait six months to release this single, like, if it feels good today, I'm putting it out next
Rachel Scott: week.
So, so then you got to the place where you're like,
Jake Scott: well, I was like, instead of releasing 12 songs at a time, and that's like your traditional album format, why would I not
Rachel Scott: Yes.
Jake Scott: Have a, an album. Worth of music and release him one song a month and build the album over the course of a year. And then people slowly get to snowball and get these new songs and, and discover them.
And so I was like, I'm gonna try that. So January, 2018, I released my first single Tuesdays. Tuesdays, which is still a song for me. That's been hugely Yeah. Um, you know, important for my impactful, yeah. Impactful for my career. But that was the first one that I started releasing. And like, I, you know, started with really small growth on the, on the first year of it, because I thought, I'm only gonna commit to doing this for one [00:54:00] year.
And if
Rachel Scott: there's, and I think you also, you told me this after the fact, but I think you had expectations. Like you put out your first EP with tossing copper, and boom, there was stuff and you put Tuesdays out and like, it did well, but it didn't do what you wanted it to do.
Jake Scott: No. Yeah. And so I thought, I was like, oh, this is gonna go viral overnight.
Yeah. Or I like had this, this, you know, hope that it would Well,
Rachel Scott: naturally.
Jake Scott: And I put it out and it didn't, it didn't like it did fine, like you said. But it, it didn't go viral and
Rachel Scott: so it didn't do what you were dreaming of it doing, and then the next didn't and the next didn't. But I think that was the best thing that ever happened to you.
Jake Scott: Well, it instantly made me be like, okay, I'm playing the long game.
Rachel Scott: Right? Exactly.
Jake Scott: I, this is not gonna be overnight. This is not gonna be viral.
Rachel Scott: And you can't attach so much to every move you make to every song you release. 'cause you will be inevitably disappointed.
Jake Scott: And, and shout out to my father, Brad Scott, who loves a good sports analogy.
He was like, son, you can't always go up to the plate looking for a home run base hits, win the game. So you just need to put together a lot of base hits,
Rachel Scott: man. Nothing has been truer for you.
Jake Scott: For me, that has been absolutely true because. You know, there has been, if [00:55:00] even still looking back, there is not one song that has been the thing that
Rachel Scott: started everything.
No. But you've had some triples and some home, like you've had the moments to Yeah, I
Jake Scott: haven't had a home run, but I've had some, some doubles
Rachel Scott: and triples. Well, I mean, it's all perspective. You're a college student, you release an EP and you get a publishing deal with one of the best singer songwriters in the world.
Okay. That's a home run dog fair. Okay.
Jake Scott: Fair. Thank
Rachel Scott: you. Let's, let's, let's think about that. Okay. So you start releasing, we roll into 2019. Mm-hmm. You, you continue releasing.
Jake Scott: Yeah. So I started out thinking it was gonna be one year there was enough data to be like, all right, I should keep going.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: So I went into a second year of it.
Rachel Scott: And there was a grace for it, because I think, and we'll get into this in a second, but you, you were thinking about doing this again and it's just like, this isn't the season for that, but it was the season for you to be doing that. Oh yeah. You had the, you had the amount of songs and you were also just able to, on the fly write, release record.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: You know, within two weeks. Yeah.
Jake Scott: And I was, I was just kind of on this good, you know, cadence of like, I'm just, I'm just constantly got this thing rolling. But also at the time, my music wasn't making [00:56:00] enough money to sustain us, so I was still producing for other people. So I had it kind of dialed to where if I could spend 10 days of the month
Rachel Scott: Yes.
Jake Scott: Working on my own music, that was enough. And then I could spend the rest of the time working for other people producing songs for people that was keeping our bills paid. You know, like
Rachel Scott: Yeah. And we were just happy for that. Yeah. I mean, we didn't, it got to a point after the first six months, first year into the next year.
Um, in 2019 is when things started shifting in the upward, but before that we just, it was just like, this is life. Yeah. We, we support ourself creatively. Yeah. That's a huge, like, we weren't disappointed that, you know, of course. I think there was always like, okay, I want a break. We were hoping Yeah, yeah. But I don't remember us being like,
Jake Scott: when things were slow, very slowly but steadily climbing.
Rachel Scott: They were climbing, but I don't even remember being focused on that.
Jake Scott: We really weren't.
Rachel Scott: No,
Jake Scott: we really weren't.
Rachel Scott: I mean, and we, you, you may have, it was your career, so you may have been more, but I, I know you tell me everything and so I don't feel like it was consuming our life. I feel like it was built on [00:57:00] slow and steady wins the race.
Yeah. And, and that's what, 'cause what the song that changed things was what? Favorite T-shirt. Favorite
Jake Scott: t-shirt.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Yeah. So,
Rachel Scott: and at the same time going in the Waco show, getting booking agents.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So.
Rachel Scott: It's okay. Bullet points. Jake really, really wants to tell you on January, I gotta get off it.
Second 2019. I gotta get off. So you've been releasing a single a month all of 2018. Most of 2019.
Jake Scott: Oh my goodness.
Rachel Scott: Things have been building. You released
Jake Scott: it. Building favorite t-shirt comes out end of 2019. And, and
Rachel Scott: at that point you were like, whatever, it was a great song, but you did not even have any expectation
Jake Scott: for anything.
This is how this, this is how much I didn't because, uh, you know, nowadays anyone in the music industry is like, you have to put a song in the portal minimum of four weeks before you release a song. There's no chance you're gonna get a playlist if you don't get it four weeks ahead. And I released the favorite t-shirt.
I put it into the portal six days before it was released. Yeah. Because I was just like, who cares? Spotify doesn't care. I'm not getting playlisted anyway, so like I'll [00:58:00] just put it out. I like the song. It sounds good. And then,
Rachel Scott: and you and right before that, like this, which came out later, but you had gotten some attention like.
This company was gonna work with you? Yeah. 'cause of like this.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And they were great, but it ended up falling through, which was probably one of the bigger disappointments of the moment. So then by the next month when you're releasing favorite t-shirt, it's like
Jake Scott: Yeah,
Rachel Scott: okay. Was like,
Jake Scott: who cares?
Rachel Scott: Yeah. Who we didn't even think about it.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I put it out and then I remember that was the first time I got on any like major editorial. Yeah. You
Rachel Scott: got on new music Friday,
Jake Scott: got new music Friday on Spotify, which was
Rachel Scott: like, but this is how much you didn't care. You found out because like four hours after it came out, one of your friends was like, one
Jake Scott: My buddies text new music Friday.
Rachel Scott: Oh. And I mean, Jake was,
Jake Scott: oh we, that was the closest thing to like the, that thing you do moment when they hear the song on the radio for the first time and they're like running down the streets and they're like, I, we literally ran down the street. We ran down the street and we were like,
Rachel Scott: we went to a bar, didn't
Jake Scott: we?
We went to a bar and I think we took a shot and had a great time. It was so fun.
Rachel Scott: Yes.
Jake Scott: And it was like, yeah, it was a great moment of like, and that genuinely was when like, there I felt a [00:59:00] very momentum, tangible shift in momentum of like. Very slow incremental growth.
Rachel Scott: Your next
Jake Scott: to like who and
Rachel Scott: shoot, I mean it was like that.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And, and it was like the next next four songs got on new music Friday and I started getting all this playlisting from Spotify. Shout
Rachel Scott: out all this record labels reaching out, like
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: People, managers reaching
Jake Scott: out. Yeah. And I played a show in, in Texas that like, you know, I was expecting there to be like 50 people and it like, there was like over 500 people there,
Rachel Scott: which is sold out.
Who knew?
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I was like, whoa, what? This is insane. And then I got a booking agent and with the best
Rachel Scott: agency
Jake Scott: in the
Rachel Scott: world,
Jake Scott: shout out Toea. And then, um,
Rachel Scott: wonder how many times we've said shout out.
Jake Scott: Seriously. We gotta work on that. But um, we're, we
Rachel Scott: like to give credit where credit is
Jake Scott: too.
Exactly. So anyway, there was just this momentum happening and then. That's when I started getting really, really, really, really, really toxically consumed with numbers. But that's a different podcast.
Rachel Scott: No, that's, I think this podcast, because, I mean, we don't have to dive super deep, but I think that's a huge part of your story and why you are where you are [01:00:00] now.
Mm. Because, yeah, you continue in 2020, you sell out a tour, you're releasing music. Yeah. And you got lost along the way.
Jake Scott: Oh, I completely got consumed by it. Like it was like tails all the time.
Rachel Scott: Your whole identity. Yeah.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Well, it was the ladder climbing thing in you, but this was like the golden ladder that you actually wanted to climb.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And yeah, and it was working.
Rachel Scott: And it was working, and it was all working in a very like synergistic all at the same time. Mm-hmm. Like if you could have written it. I mean, right before COVID, you're getting offered a $4 million record deal. Mm-hmm. Like that was crazy. It didn't happen, by the way. It didn't happen.
But I mean, well 'cause COVID shut everything down and then, I mean, I guess, I don't remember if that was connected, but I know that you got offered, that didn't happen. COVID happens. And then even during COVID, like you're doing the Instagram live, like things are moving for you. Mm-hmm. But you are, and I don't think I, no, I did know that you were getting consumed, I mean, you were still you, but it was like your whole,
Jake Scott: it was everything.
Rachel Scott: You were wrapped up.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: In it,
Jake Scott: it was my complete and [01:01:00] total identity spears that I was in a super dark place.
Rachel Scott: I mean, that was 125% the hardest year of our marriage
Jake Scott: by far.
Rachel Scott: Worst year. Terrible. 2020. Mm-hmm. Which many people, I mean, COVID was hard, but it had nothing to do with COVID for us.
Jake Scott: No, it wasn't. It was like, I had just, like you said, like it just completely consumed me and I lost myself in it, like a hundred percent.
Lost myself.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And. Lost sight of everything I believed in. Lost sight of everything I cared about. It became your God. Really? It became everything.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: Like I cared about it way more than anything else. And
Rachel Scott: it felt like this
Jake Scott: is my chance. And it was at the time, it was giving, giving it back to me.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Like I was, I was giving all of myself to it, and it was giving back and I was like, this is it. This is all I want. I don't need anything. I don't need anyone or anything. I don't need God, that's for sure. I just am gonna keep doing my thing. Yeah. And, and I'm the man. Yeah. And
Rachel Scott: I mean, you still believed in God, but it was definitely And like questioning things.
Yeah. And it, it was just, I think, I don't even know that you're putting that much thought [01:02:00] into anything else. It was just like, this is, I wasn't, yeah. It's like it was
Jake Scott: all I cared about. This
Rachel Scott: is all I cared about. And so that led to a breakdown. Mm,
Jake Scott: yeah.
Rachel Scott: Led to a breakdown in our marriage, led to a breakdown.
I mean, I don't, I think that that's been the unraveling you've been in with work because it,
Jake Scott: for five
Rachel Scott: years we came to a point, which is definitely a different podcast that we'll do, but in our marriage where it was just like, I, this is not the man I married. What is happening? Mm-hmm. I don't, you know
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Care about any of this. I don't see you anymore. Where did you go?
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And
Jake Scott: I really did lose myself.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. And then coming out of that, into, into kind of the season we're in now, it's like, I think, I mean, I wanna hear your comments on this, but like, you, it, it has been a slow unraveling of, because this did not, this whole putting your worth in success did not begin with this music.
No. This has been, and many, many people deal with this, but you certainly do. I know you do. And I do too. It has been a lifelong wound in you of I [01:03:00] have to be successful
Jake Scott: mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And accepted and belong to be Worthy.
Jake Scott: Was it, that's what you talked about. Um. That through line of like, I'm not good enough.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And so I'm co I was constantly my whole life searching for proof that I am good enough.
Rachel Scott: Well, even when you got it, Jake, there's many points in the story where you got the proof, but then the line moves well,
Jake Scott: wasn't enough. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: It's never enough. It's never, ever, ever enough. And especially in with what you do, because there's, you know, yeah, you were having success, but there's always more success.
And so I think that breakdown had to happen and thank God it did. Mm-hmm. And I mean, why don't you talk about kind of where you are now with things. 'cause you continued having sold out tours and having this success, but it, what you've told me started feeling very empty as you woke up to where you were.
Jake Scott: I think in a, in a, in a succinct way to say it. I think where I am, and
Rachel Scott: I'm li
Jake Scott: it's just lean to Brooke. I
Rachel Scott: gotta sit up
Jake Scott: where I, [01:04:00] I think where I'm at now, because that was 2020, it's we're five years later, I think. My consum, my, my obsession, my losing myself in it. That bubble initially started popping in 2020 of me just being like, if I keep going down this road, I'm going to destroy everything I care about.
Mm-hmm. And everything I am. And this is not who I want to be.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And thank God I saw that like, relatively early, um, because I feel like God kind of like saved me from destruction.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And was like, Hey, you are heading towards a path that you will not be able to come back from. Yeah. So like,
Rachel Scott: you were like whispering at
Jake Scott: right now.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And I was like, oh my gosh. Like, what, what, where have I been? Like what? I felt like I woke up from a spell.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And, and it's, it's been this like shifting back towards God and who I am and who I care about and what I believe in. But then also like from this musical standpoint, like it's been this lot, a [01:05:00] lot slower.
Prying my fingers off of this thing that it's just like I, this is everything to me. And it's been like, it's taken five years to get to where I'm at right now, which is like, I'm finally at a place where I'm just like, I am so ready to just completely let this go. And I love it. I'm passionate about it. I feel called to do it, but I do not want it if it is on my own back, if it's on my own blood, sweat, and tears if I'm just looking to it to be my sense of worth or identity.
And, um, you know, I think, I think I'm finally at this turning point 'cause, you know, from 2020 I released more music. I released an album, I went on tours that did really well. And then, you know, now I'm here at this.
Rachel Scott: Well, I think, uh, before you go on, an important like moment to touch on in this is that. You kind of lost yourself musically too?
Jake Scott: Oh,
Rachel Scott: a hundred percent. I think, because I think you have a lot of, I think it all starts innocently, like you, like a lot of different [01:06:00] genres of music, so you can do a lot of different things and want to do a lot of different things. But it became what will get me on the playlist, what will get me more po you know, more streams.
What, what is working for other people? I'm just gonna do that. Whether, whether or not you like it, who cares what I'm about. Like,
Jake Scott: well, it's the same thing. I mean, we were joking earlier about like, if, if I decided to be a bus driver, I would do that. Like it, same thing happened to me with music of just like, I don't even care what my artistic instinct is like, or,
Rachel Scott: or even maybe it gets muted over time.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And, and I think I lost my way completely in the process of like, even as an artist of like, I'm not even asking the question of like, what kind of art do I wanna make? Who am I as an artist?
Rachel Scott: What's moving me right now?
Jake Scott: What's I was totally just consumed with what's gonna be popular, right? What's gonna make me, what's working for other people's people?
What's gonna help me be accepted by the people? 'cause that's the point of my entire life.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And so. You know, I look back on my music and it's not that I hate my music or anything like that, but I look back on it now where I am and [01:07:00] I can feel the, the, the motive, the engine behind that music was what's gonna make me popular.
Right. And as I sing, I just went on tour this summer and it was great. I had a great time. I had a great time and, and, and I learned a lot. But the thing that I felt the most is like, I'm singing these songs every night that I'm just like, I can feel the striving, I can feel where I was in 2019 writing the song that I'm singing now.
And I just feel like, man, I'm such a different person now and I care about so many different things now. And like, my, my, my motor is completely different than it was then. And it made me really sad to see how far away from myself I had gotten. And how far away
from,
Rachel Scott: and even more recent than that, I feel like you're just like some of the music that not it's all great and all of it has a piece of you in it, but I feel like up until now I haven't seen you.
I think you were too scared to sit with yourself in a room and [01:08:00] be like, what am I meant to do? Is it music? Okay. We got to where I think it's music.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: But is it, what, what do I like God? What are you putting on my heart? And, and like you're just now unfolding in that.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. Truly. And, and, and, uh. It's, I feel like it's taken too long for me to finally get here.
Rachel Scott: That's just not true. Because this is everyone's battle of life.
Jake Scott: Yeah, true,
Rachel Scott: true. This is the battle of life.
Jake Scott: You're right.
Rachel Scott: Separating yourself from what you do, separating your worth from people's opinions. Like that's just our battle.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Everyone. And I can definitely make my problems the biggest thing in the world.
So like,
Rachel Scott: no, I just mean go easy on yourself. Like there, there you're on a journey and a path and you, you had a very easy hit, a real easy drug, put a song out. Ooh, yeah, it's doing well. That feels good. I'll make more of that
Jake Scott: feedback.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. And you kind of slowly separate from whatever that original artistry was, but now you are at this place where it's like, I mean, 'cause I've seen you, I feel like maybe a year ago at a place where like, okay, [01:09:00] I'm gonna go back to my roots to what I really love.
Jake Scott: Mm.
Rachel Scott: But even that can get tainted because it's like, well yeah, when other people go back to their roots. Yeah. It becomes this. So maybe I'll uhhuh, but now it's like, yeah. I, I feel like, and there's gonna be levels of this the rest of your life.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And you're gonna grow and transform. Like this is just a moment, but it's an important moment for you.
Jake Scott: Oh, it's a life changing moment for me. It's
Rachel Scott: a life
Jake Scott: changing moment. I genuinely feel like I'm at like a huge turning point in my life. Not only as a, as an artist, as a, as a person, as a man. Everything. Everything. I feel like, yeah. I feel, uh, I feel like it started in 20, like the shift started in 2020 and I'm finally there.
Yeah. Where I'm like, okay, God. Like, like you said. Is this even what I'm supposed to do anymore? Like
Rachel Scott: Well, I feel like we've turned that page. Yeah,
Jake Scott: we've turned that page. I do feel like this is what I'm meant to do. That
Rachel Scott: was August
Jake Scott: and we're in again, biggest fan. We get so passionate about everything and we're very extreme.
So like that. Yeah. Two months ago I was kinda like,
Rachel Scott: no, you took some weeks. I also think we both knew in the back, [01:10:00] I think you had to, after that tour, that experience you just talked about, you had to lay everything down.
Jake Scott: I did.
Rachel Scott: Because I think you went into that tour thinking, okay, I've done the work, like I can do this now.
Mm-hmm. And then it was like, oh, this is like an empty truck. This doesn't work anymore. Doesn't work anymore. Not that like, again, those shows were amazing and were amazing. I know how much you love doing it, but there's just more for you. Yeah. And once you've tasted, the more the old thing does not feel good anymore.
Jake Scott: Yeah. It's like you're trying on old clothes don't fit. Right. It's
Rachel Scott: you're, you're eating a lot of candy and it tasted good at first, and then you're like
Jake Scott: kinda a little sick.
Rachel Scott: You got a little sour tummy.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Like, like Ruby said, she is like, I have that sugar feeling in my tummy. You're like,
Rachel Scott: you babe. You had, you
Jake Scott: can't just eat sugar all day.
Rachel Scott: You, you think you can, you had that sugar tummy and so had
Jake Scott: that sugar tummy,
Rachel Scott: and then you've laid it down. And I, I mean, I I I will say as your wife having been able to see through every BS moment you've ever had. Mm.
Jake Scott: Hallelujah.
Rachel Scott: And so I was supposed to be a joke, but it's true.
Jake Scott: That's true.
Rachel Scott: You
Jake Scott: brutally.
Rachel Scott: So I feel like I am seeing [01:11:00] you.
I used to feel like I would have to kind of tiptoe around like, hey, um, I have this opinion. I mean, I always gave you my opinions, but like, I'm trying to think of how to say this without fully outing you out. You, babe. Well, okay. Like
Jake Scott: that's the whole point of this. Rip me to shreds.
Rachel Scott: I know, but it's too specific.
But I'm just gonna do
Jake Scott: it. Relate to me to pieces. I just referenced
Rachel Scott: my own song. That's
Jake Scott: terrible show. I'm sorry that I did that.
Rachel Scott: Oh, is that what we're singing?
Jake Scott: That was my song. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Can you please delete that from this? Fuck this clip. Let's
Jake Scott: cut that out with this.
Rachel Scott: Cut it. Now keep it. Everyone needs to know.
Okay. I mean,
Jake Scott: narciss is,
Rachel Scott: um. Recently he's making all this music and I'm obs love so much of it. But I was hearing him play an old song and I was like, I do feel like you have this other genre in you too. Like, I feel like your music's gonna be kind of genre less 'cause you're gonna have different moments.
And so what about this other genre? And if I had said that to you a year or two ago, your alarm bells would've gone off like panicked. Okay. I only need to make that kind of music. 'cause you can also be so codependent with me. Like, but I represent the world at large too. So if Rachel [01:12:00] thinks I need to make that, that's what I need to make.
Mm-hmm. And I was afraid to even say it to you a couple weeks ago and you're like, yeah, you know what? I've thought that, but like, we'll see. I'm good. I'm gonna see what comes up in the day. And I, I literally, Jake was like, whoa. Because do you, could you feel, I mean, that is just such a, a massive shift where I can give an opinion that may or may not even be correct and you can sit solid where you are and trust the process you're in and trust what God is doing creatively with you.
I mean, that is my, that is like a different planet.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, I feel it.
Rachel Scott: It's presence as well, because you used to ping around like a one of those things at the arcades, you know?
Jake Scott: Mm. I mean, I mean,
Rachel Scott: what's that game called?
Jake Scott: Pinball.
Rachel Scott: Pinball. You'd be, you would pinball I'd say one thing and you're like, okay, it's, you released a whole album of that genre.
True. And I'm like,
Jake Scott: whoa. It's true, dog. It's true. Because, because when your whole life is on the line and your whole sense of worth is on, like, wait, I'm doing it wrong. I need to, I need to shift gears right now and move a million miles [01:13:00] an hour towards the thing that, that someone else is saying is gonna work for me.
And I think I've, I, I finally, this tour truly finally broke something in me where I was like,
Rachel Scott: finished breaking,
Jake Scott: uh, yes. True. I will not get ahead of God ever again.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. Or your own
Jake Scott: process by the grace of God. Yes. I, but I'm just like, for me, what I will do is I will get a nugget of an idea, and then I will sprint that direction until I hit a brick wall.
Yeah. I'm like, wait, why have I hit a brick wall again? And I'm, I sit down and look at him. Its 'cause you didn't slow down for five seconds to just ask yourself like, is this right? Is this what I want to do? Hey God, is this where I should go? I'm just like, sweet, I'll see you in Vegas. I'm gone. I'm there.
I'm already there. I'm on a plane. And you're like, wait. She knows. Know
Rachel Scott: too well. I know.
Jake Scott: And so I'm, so I'm finally at a point where I'm just like, I will stay one step behind you in this whole process. Whatever that means. Wherever we're going, I'm not leading the way anymore. [01:14:00] And
Rachel Scott: or making other people God's voice in your life because
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: You know, that's what you're also doing. Like if I have an opinion, if the world at large is loving this certain type of music, that became your compass. Yeah. And it failed you over and over.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And, okay, so we're here now, which is so exciting. And I mean, I think the music you're writing right now is, obviously I'm biased, but I'm also honest with you.
Jake Scott: Oh, brave. You're freaking brutal.
Rachel Scott: It
Jake Scott: is. You are, you are cutthroat.
Rachel Scott: I'm so excited. It just
Jake Scott: let the record show this girl's. She I'll walk in and play something. She's like, this is,
Rachel Scott: this is is trash honey. You just sang your own song. All right. Someone's gotta be over here. Fine. Fricking with a poker.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Okay. But how does your passion now for it compared to your passion is that, you know, 6-year-old idolizing shades dreaming?
Jake Scott: If I'm being totally honest.
Rachel Scott: Well, that's what we want.
Jake Scott: Uh, part of me is still really scared to go there.
Rachel Scott: Go [01:15:00] where?
Jake Scott: Because I've been so disappointed. Part of me is really scared to let myself dream like that 6-year-old kid again, because I think for a long time.
I was like, it's gonna work. It's gonna work. I'll just give it time. It's gonna work. I'm, I'm gonna get there. And then when I started finally getting a microcosm of a taste of it, I, I'm, I'm aware that like I am, no Taylor Swift, I have not had like, global success, but like, I started getting what I wanted.
In your want. In my version of it, I started getting it. And like, Taylor's old as time, it was cripplingly unsatisfying. And like you said, the, the goal kept moving. Like I finally got that one playlist that I wanted and I was like, well, that's not enough. I want this one. And then,
Rachel Scott: well, or
Jake Scott: or the
Rachel Scott: next song.
Oh wait, it didn't get that playlist.
Jake Scott: Didn't get, yeah. Didn't get the same. What went
Rachel Scott: wrong? Why did my numbers dip?
Jake Scott: Yeah. Like, should I change everything about my sound? All everything. All the stuff. And so I think when I started experiencing some, some disappointments, like around when my lavender album came out and it didn't [01:16:00] change my life, and when I put up a tour after the first one that didn't sell out in a week, you know, like.
I started going like, oh no. Oh no. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? What's what? What am I doing wrong? I need to change everything about myself. I need, I need to change. I need to abandon every instinct I have. And then I started feeling this fear of like, well, if I get my hopes up, I'm gonna be crushed.
And so now I'm at this place where I'm finally, finally feeling the most surrendered to it that I ever have. I'm just kinda like, I don't want this to be the weight of my world. I don't want this to control me anymore. But there is still this part of me that's just kinda like, I still just think it's gonna work.
Like I don't, I can't explain it, but I think one day I'm gonna get there. But then it's quickly followed up with like, for real. Like, you, you think you're gonna get there? You sure you wanna get your hopes in that? And also there's this like, you know, innocent fear in me that's just kinda like, Hey bro, don't make this thing your world again.
Like,
Rachel Scott: that's true.
Jake Scott: I that [01:17:00] that is true. But there's also, it can get confused.
Rachel Scott: Being passionate
Jake Scott: like, like what is wisdom? And also what is then like insecurity.
Rachel Scott: Okay. And I think you're asking the wrong question because if Ruby w, what's something, a gardener like if she was like, dad, all I wanna do is be a gardener, would you be like, well, if you're gonna fail, you know,
Jake Scott: probably shouldn't even try.
Rachel Scott: No, it doesn't. Failure and success is such the wrong, like I understand we have to make a living, but that has to be a separate conversation from you. Pursuing music success and failure is the worst barometer to do anything by, because you will never do anything. Yeah, you will never, because one, you're gonna have successes and failures, like you will absolutely fail again.
You'll absolutely be crushed again. For sure. You'll be disappointed again. And you'll also have successes. Again. Both of them killed you. So throw that barometer out and have the new barometer of, this [01:18:00] is in my heart and this is a day-to-day thing for every human, but. I'm going to pursue this because it's in me and I'm gonna honor what God put in my heart and what I love to do.
In the same way that watching our kids just live is like the greatest joy because they're doing what they're meant to do. What, what they're created to do to just be kids right now to play. Mm-hmm. That is you. And you're gonna have to detox from the point of view of this is all about success or failure.
Now it's all about you just going for it. Yeah. And it, and just expecting both and not slowly over time. The satisfaction of doing what you love is going to beat out any success or failure. I mean, success is more toxic than failure.
Jake Scott: Mm. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And
Jake Scott: for me, historically, yes.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. But you, you just, just not letting yourself ask that question and like tending to that part of you that has been so hurt.
Mm. That is, yeah, that needs like care right now. But at the same time, in the same way that if Ruby came home and [01:19:00] was like, Hey, I. Some failure in her life. Like you would comfort her through it. Yeah. But you would not let that define her.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And that, yeah. I mean, that's a good way to shift the perspective, like how I would view it for her.
It's not the weight of your world and it's not what defines you. And it's also, it's, that's also, it's,
Rachel Scott: it's gonna happen.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. But, and also too, like if your, if your worth isn't secured on the front end, then yeah. Like this is going to kill you.
Rachel Scott: Oh. A hundred.
Jake Scott: Like, it is going to upend your life
Rachel Scott: a hundred percent.
Jake Scott: So you have to find it outside of this thing. Yes. So that this thing has a chance to be pure. I'm not saying it's gonna be, 'cause like anything I do, I'm always like, even in my purest moment, like, there's a part of me that's like, maybe it goes viral, you know, like maybe it, it'll finally, maybe this is the song that will change the world for me.
But
Rachel Scott: like, I think so. But I also think, remember back to what we just talked about, 2019 when favorite t-shirt was the shirt, the song [01:20:00] that changed things for you. You didn't put it out, that voice had gone at that point. Mm-hmm. And you were just doing, you had one mission. I'm just gonna release music and live my life.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And I think clearly you still had a lot to work through at that point, but I think getting back to that, like, yes, that question might be in your mind, but I truly think as you're in this place of transforming, like it will be a lesson and less. And if it does go viral, it has got to be a blip for you.
Jake Scott: Oh, for sure.
Rachel Scott: Cool. I'm not gonna look at any of it. I'm not gonna do this drug. Mm-hmm. Like I am gonna keep making music and doing what I love, period. Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, and this is the battle. This is ever the battle of a life for every human. Yeah. Um, but it's certainly been your battle and
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And I think though it's very important for you as we like wrap this up because I asked you, is the passion there? And you said, I'm afraid.
Mm.
Rachel Scott: But it sounds like the passion is there and you're just still seeing fear to let yourself fully dive into it.
Jake Scott: I think what it is, is that correct? I think what it is, and I'm feeling this as you're talking.
It [01:21:00] is like, it is a unique thing when your passion becomes your job.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: When it becomes your career. And it is a really tricky thing to balance in a healthy way. And I thank God for it because it has, it has brought me to my knees in a good way of just being like, God, I, I love this. I love it. I love it.
Nothing makes me feel more alive than this, than when I'm doing that, but it has consumed me, and I don't want this thing that you gave me to be such a gift to kill me. And so I want to hold it in a way that's like, I want to enjoy this and honor you with this and glorify you with this, but at the same time, like, I, I don't want, I'm scared to let myself love it too much, you know?
Mm-hmm. And, and, and shifting the perspective of like, same thing with like our kids, you know, it's like if I give them. Shepherd's obsessed, obsessed with his PAW [01:22:00] Patrol bike helmet right now. Mm-hmm. And it's like, all he wants is that thing. And he wants to talk about it. And, you know, like I, it would break my heart if he came to me and, and he like, was like, Hey, I'm not gonna touch that thing because I don't wanna love it more than, than I wanna love you for giving it to me.
Because I'd be like, no, I want you to enjoy that. But like, don't, don't let it be the only thing in your life that you care about. Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Rachel Scott: Yeah. It makes complete sense. And, and I think that's, I mean, I think you have to remind yourself that the way you're approaching it now is so differently than the way you ever approached it.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Like maybe in the very beginning there's innocence in it, but like, you hadn't done the work yet, now you've done this work and now it's like, God, I'm doing this with you.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And
Jake Scott: mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: That there is a difference in getting in a really amazing way, like consumed by the enjoyment of writing a song and what that the pleasure and God is good.
He made us. To get, to enjoy the things that we do, the things that we're meant to [01:23:00] do. It's like a puzzle piece. It feels amazing. Mm-hmm. And saying, now this is all that matters. This is my worth there. That becomes dark. It doesn't feel as good as like, I love this and now let me go celebrate with my family.
Let me go thank you, God for giving me this moment, and now onto the next, like mm-hmm. You're already doing it differently and you know how to, and fear is just trying to keep you trapped in the past, but it's also you're learning a new way.
Jake Scott: Learning a new way and, and, and like what you were just saying of like, it's al it's almost like when you're, when you allow yourself to get caught up in the, the enjoyment of it, the pleasure of it with God.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. With him,
Jake Scott: then it becomes this like beautiful dance rather than this like dark secret where you're like, Hey God, stay out of the room a hundred percent. I'm gonna, now this is all I care about,
Rachel Scott: you know? Well, and that's, that's the lie because the truth is God gave you this and wants to enjoy it with you.
I think the other thing I have found lately that has helped me so much. Is like the way to grow and heal is not to focus on the things we need to fix. It's to focus [01:24:00] on God. It's to focus on, okay, God, I'm just gonna let me love you.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And, and actually loving him is making music like Yeah. That is a way that you love him.
Mm-hmm. It is an expression of love, but also just like, as your passion for God increases, there's, there's just nothing else can compete.
Jake Scott: Yeah. It's true. It's so true.
Rachel Scott: And I mean, sometimes you writing a song, in fact, I think every time when you're in that headspace, writing a song is worship is, is is you.
Mm-hmm. Just, just being one with God. But, but yeah. The world, just, just life itself, whatever you wanna say is gonna want us to segment all these things off and then it gets choked and then it becomes our identity.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And yeah,
Jake Scott: I think you, I think what you like, that made me think of like if, if you are constantly feeding in like watering that grass.
For lack of a better analogy of like, if you're constantly like, oh no, I have to, I, I can't, I can't let these other weeds get too big. And it's like, well, if you just [01:25:00] really focus on watering the soil that's actually like what you like got like your love for God, yes, your passion for God, then all these other things will fall into place.
If that is like your core passion and desire and your core identity, if like, I just want to enjoy you, God, and I want to enjoy what you've given me a gift in doing and enjoy the fact that yeah, this is how I provide for my family is doing this thing that you've given me to do. And it's a, it's a tricky balance and, and I don't have to get it perfect and I don't have to stare at the problem.
I need to stare at God and God will help me hold the problem, you know, thousand in a, in a healthy way.
Rachel Scott: I just heard this thing. Um, it is so life changing. It's exactly what we're talking about. One of my friends talked about the mustard seed verse about how if you have faith as a mustard seed, you'll be able to move this mountain, which I know that's a little.
You know, off there, but that's the heart of the verse. If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can move mountains, right?
Jake Scott: Yeah. So
Rachel Scott: yeah, it's the gist. So we all have always taken that to mean you just have to have a little bit of faith and you can move a mountain, right?
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: So then you're like, well, shoot, I think I [01:26:00] have a little faith, but there's not even, I can't even move that cup of 50 coffee over there.
So this woman was like, actually, you have to know that this was an agricultural community back then, and that a mustard seed, the, when you plant a mustard seed it, it's small obviously, and you plant it, but it actually grows so quickly. It takes over the entire garden and snuffs everything else out. She's like, that's what faith is.
Just plant that tiny faith. And when you walk, look at that little tiny seed. It it, you don't have to go pull the weeds. That faith, that seed snuffs everything else out. Yeah. Wow. Wow. It's like the mint we planted in our rental that we were in Oh my gosh. For one year. And it took over the whole garden in la That's how mustard seeds are.
I mean, and think about that. That is so life changing and it's what we're talking about. So focus on this mustard seed you have right now of I'm passionate for you, God, you, you are it. But, but God, when you love God, like everything you do is about that. It's not like I love God and then my family and then music and then dah dah.
Yeah. No, God is it. And everything is through [01:27:00] that.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And so he's a part of all of it. Yep. And then you start having this feeling of like, this feels good. This feels like what I should be doing. Okay, now I'm doing this with you. Mm. This isn't, maybe this isn't the best thing for me, I'm gonna turn away from that.
But it's that mustard seed and as you focus on that, that becomes so much more enticing than living these other ways that you start seeing the darkness in
Jake Scott: mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: The selfish ways, the My Worth is tied up in this way is all of that. Okay. Wow. We did it.
Jake Scott: Dropped the mic, babe. That was beautiful.
Rachel Scott: Well, the mustard seed thing was a our bestie Derek, and that he found a woman off Instagram and I forget her name.
Maybe Healing Mothers or something.
Jake Scott: Take credit babe. Come on.
Rachel Scott: No, I can't take credit. Okay. Anyway,
Jake Scott: I love it.
Rachel Scott: Love you. I'm proud of you. I admire you and I'm inspired by you and I am so excited to see where your life goes next. And I will jump off a cliff with you any day of the week.
Jake Scott: Let's jump off. Cliffs
Rachel Scott: Deal dog.
Jake Scott: Biggest fan.
Rachel Scott: Biggest fan. That's Jake Scott's [01:28:00] life.