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True Detective: I was thinking about that time when you
True Detective: were nine, when you were skating and you
True Detective: fell through the ice, you know.
Duncan: I, um, I don't really remember a lot of
Duncan: that, so you know all I do.
True Detective: I wake up dreaming of it sometimes.
True Detective: One second you were there, I turned around
True Detective: and boom, you're gone Under the ice.
True Detective: The current took you.
True Detective: I had to run out ahead of you and try to
True Detective: break through with an ice axe.
True Detective: I kept hacking until I got through and then
True Detective: I pulled you out.
True Detective: Then, on the way to the hospital, I knew I
True Detective: had to keep you awake, just keep you awake.
True Detective: I felt like we were driving.
True Detective: For days I was Family stuff, right Fucking
True Detective: family.
Drop it, duncan and bo come correct.
Bo: It's about time people started
Bo: acknowledging.
Duncan: I think there's a bit 10 people started
Duncan: peeing Um as far as yeah, I hadn't gone
Duncan: that far with it yet.
Bo: To be honest, I wasn't looking to monetize
Bo: admiration just yet, but you're right.
Bo: Here's what we Duncan, here's what we need
Bo: to do.
True Detective: We need to do a masterworks class Head talk.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: Something that people gotta pay for, you
Bo: know, put it behind a paywall.
Bo: Maybe we just only fancy this shit.
Duncan: How you lesson.
Duncan: It could be the way forward.
Bo: Can I ask you a serious but stupid question?
Bo: I genuinely don't know the answer to it.
Duncan: Yes, please, by all means, ask me a serious
Duncan: question.
Bo: What is sex?
Bo: No, what do I?
Bo: Do you have to be fucking to be on OnlyFans?
Duncan: No.
Bo: Okay, because that's the only connotation.
Duncan: I hear it in no, so OnlyFans, like
Duncan: inherently, has become the way that all
Duncan: things on line and press and media go.
Duncan: Inevitably they go towards sex because you
Duncan: know that's what our brain thinks of like
Duncan: 90% of the time.
Duncan: But no, originally I think it was just for
Duncan: a way for specific people to own control of
Duncan: how they, how their fans, interacted with
Duncan: them, and I think that's the original
Duncan: premise for it.
Duncan: But I think, very, very quickly, adelaide
Duncan: entertainers were like hmm, like I could
Duncan: use this, there are like musicians, actors
Duncan: and actresses, um, authors, I think, have
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Duncan: them access to Q&As, like, etc.
Duncan: Etc.
Duncan: I don't think those people make nearly as
Duncan: much money as those that are very
Duncan: attractive and get their breasts out.
Bo: But yeah.
Bo: So is it just being naked, or can you fog?
Duncan: Can you go that far?
Bo: I believe that you can go full penny on it,
Bo: okay, because see, to me that makes a ton
Bo: of sense.
Duncan: And certain porn stars do.
Duncan: And the only reason I know this is because
Duncan: I was listening to a podcast recently where
Duncan: a porn star was interviewed about, you know,
Duncan: myth, myth-busting in the industry, how
Duncan: they got into, etc.
Duncan: Etc.
Duncan: Longevity and stuff, and basically what
Duncan: they were saying is as it stands just now,
Duncan: it's kind of never been a better time to be
Duncan: a porn star, in that you can sign with a
Duncan: production company, you can sign with an
Duncan: agency, you can do all those movies and
Duncan: make like money for doing those movies, and
Duncan: then you can have this complete side hustle
Duncan: that allows people to see behind the scenes
Duncan: of basically what happens.
Duncan: But then, moreover, on top of that, you can
Duncan: get like connections between other adult
Duncan: entertainers that are also on OnlyFans, so
Duncan: they can kind of cross the stream, so to
Duncan: speak, of their things.
Duncan: So you pay like a higher premium for them
Duncan: having sex with people that they've always
Duncan: wanted to, you know, almost pair up dream
Duncan: matches and stuff like that.
Duncan: So they make a fortune from it, which is
Duncan: kind of great, because that industry in
Duncan: particular is only in the last what 10, 15
Duncan: years kind of started to like get its act
Duncan: together in terms of better pay, better
Duncan: representation, you know and like more
Duncan: transparency on the studios that actually
Duncan: do what they need to do and given those
Duncan: people the opportunity to actually take
Duncan: control of how they are perceived, consumed,
Duncan: etc.
Bo: online is a huge plus bonus and obviously
Bo: the pandemic helped Sure yeah, well, and I
Bo: think there's something immediately
Bo: satisfying and I don't mean just the sexual
Bo: way, but like there's something about like
Bo: if you are really into a guy or girl and
Bo: are like I just want to see them, fuck, I
Bo: don't care about all this other stuff, I
Bo: just want to see them, you know, jerking it
Bo: or rubbing it or Remove the story, do
Bo: whatever.
Duncan: Yeah, basically the modern this is now the
Duncan: modern equivalent of phone sex, telephone
Duncan: sex people used to phone into like adult
Duncan: entertaining channels that would run at
Duncan: night and it was basically someone on a cam
Duncan: and they would take calls and do certain
Duncan: things.
Duncan: So as basal to that, they've just moved it
Duncan: to the internet and monetized the fuck out
Duncan: of it.
Bo: Yeah, like last summer I kind of went down
Bo: a weird rabbit hole of like that kind of
Bo: thing on Twitch.
Bo: Like I wasn't subscribing to a bunch of
Bo: girls in pools and stuff, but I did look at
Bo: a bunch of channels because I was like, is
Bo: this really all it is?
Bo: And it kind of is, but, like you said, it's
Bo: sort of phone sex, because it's like people
Bo: in chat being like hey, I did this many
Bo: likes or I did this many referrals or
Bo: whatever the fuck.
Duncan: And so now you've got a bunch of names on
Duncan: my list, yeah, so, and I think there's
Duncan: you're talking about instant gratification
Duncan: in terms of if they're watching someone
Duncan: have sex, I play with them, whatever, and
Duncan: then instantly that person then says their
Duncan: name.
Duncan: You know what I mean.
Duncan: That's like it's essentially breaking the
Duncan: kind of fourth wall for them.
Duncan: So it's not quite you and the fantasy, but
Duncan: it might as well be because they've just so
Duncan: all that stuff.
Duncan: I think it's.
Duncan: And the thing is they build like from what
Duncan: was said in that interview like they build
Duncan: communities around it so that they're being
Duncan: paid, yes, and all the rest, but it's not a
Duncan: case of their view that, purely as a source
Duncan: of income, those that are paying the money
Duncan: on is actually they build their own
Duncan: community because they understand that's
Duncan: their fan base and the more engagement they
Duncan: have with their fan base, the more their
Duncan: next video that comes out or the next
Duncan: production they do gets a lot of buzz
Duncan: online.
Duncan: It boosts their online presence through
Duncan: Instagram and Twitter, which you wouldn't
Duncan: think would need to be a thing for adult
Duncan: entertainers.
Duncan: But it is like the higher the profile, the
Duncan: more likely they are they're going to get
Duncan: better offers, etc.
Duncan: More interest, more digital presence online
Duncan: and all the rest.
Duncan: So it kind of all goes hand in hand.
Duncan: But they have whole production.
Duncan: Like the woman that was being interviewed
Duncan: says that she hires just very, very, very
Duncan: well.
Duncan: I think it was like 90 grand a month is
Duncan: what she earns just off only fans, and
Duncan: that's enough to employ her.
Duncan: I think it's her little sister to do all
Duncan: her online presence for a full time.
Duncan: So our sister does all her social media, so
Duncan: she employs her from that money and she has
Duncan: a team of two people that she films, that
Duncan: she trusts, who do all the like, say,
Duncan: decoration filming for all her scenes and
Duncan: all the rest.
Duncan: So she actually is in a weird way she's
Duncan: providing jobs.
Bo: So yeah, yeah, I mean you know.
Bo: Look, I think you and I are both of the
Bo: mind that, like you know, sex workers are
Bo: certainly providing a service and it's
Bo: legitimate.
Duncan: Oh God, yes, yeah, yeah yeah.
Bo: So yeah, I'm kind of glad that in a weird
Bo: way it's shaken out like this, because that
Bo: way they're protected too and it's not,
Bo: like you know, going out to meet some high
Bo: roller like for five grand a night, like
Bo: I'm gonna fuck this porn star.
Duncan: Yeah, where there's five grand like yeah,
Duncan: and there's no protection over that, you
Duncan: know, like all the rest, it's all secure
Duncan: and I think that's kind of awesome.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, that seems real smart.
Bo: By the way, this is Duncan and Bo.
Duncan: come correct If you hadn't noticed Emphasis
Duncan: on the cum.
Bo: Yeah, Duncan and Bo correct.
Bo: That's how it sounds when I work at
Bo: something it's supposed to be that noise.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, I think it's probably not,
Bo: probably not.
Duncan: It means?
Duncan: It means it's like a cartoon spittin.
Bo: Wow, it's got velocity.
Bo: That's what I like about it.
Duncan: It's, I mean, really really quick, I was
Duncan: going more for the aim, but like, yeah, but
Duncan: it also works as well.
Bo: Yeah, oh look, I'm a terrible aim at
Bo: anything I do, duncan.
Bo: Consistently bad, consistently bad aim,
Bo: doesn't matter, doesn't matter in what
Bo: context, but yeah, so here we are.
Bo: We are on the penultimate episode.
Duncan: In fact, we were just talking about how
Duncan: Neither one of us has got the episode 6 yet
Duncan: and the internet hasn't spoiled it, which I
Duncan: will give them.
Duncan: There's a lot of people on the internet
Duncan: that didn't like it, but then there's a lot
Duncan: of people just in general have not liked
Duncan: this season, but like according to the
Duncan: critics.
Duncan: The critics think this thing lands strong
Duncan: and, moreover, boran's thought, moreover
Duncan: than that the numbers were so good for this
Duncan: season that HBO opened that checkbook and
Duncan: said to Issa Lopez, do you want to do a
Duncan: season 5?
Duncan: And she has said yes, and she will be
Duncan: returning season 5, making that bank.
Duncan: And I'll tell you right now that makes DBCC
Duncan: very fucking happy.
Bo: Yeah, we are definitely pro Issa Lopez
Bo: around these parts.
Duncan: She's just a ton of articles coming out
Duncan: right now about Nick Pizzalato and his mini
Duncan: Instagram rant he had when the thing
Duncan: finished, about how they destroyed
Duncan: everything, blah, blah, blah.
Duncan: And there's just loads of articles coming
Duncan: out just saying, if you'd forgotten, I know
Duncan: he was away for a little while, but Nick
Duncan: Pizzalato kinda a dick, and then this
Duncan: article was going back over.
Duncan: Well, he said this at this point.
Duncan: He was this about this.
Duncan: So, yeah, he's not happy that this season
Duncan: did much better numbers than any of the
Duncan: seasons he was in charge of when he was at
Duncan: HBO.
Bo: Yeah, well, I mean, look, it was a great
Bo: cast and you know Issa Lopez is a great
Bo: director and it's really moody and it had
Bo: people dealing with the first season did
Bo: which was speculating and talking about it,
Bo: and you know that's a different medium.
Duncan: Now that's the thing Like when True
Duncan: Detective came out, we hadn't fully really
Duncan: jumped on.
Duncan: Hbo has its own channel online.
Duncan: You know 2013,.
Duncan: There wasn't really anything like that out
Duncan: with your Netflix in terms of dedicated
Duncan: streaming sites, and now we have that.
Duncan: So audiences can, you know, interact with
Duncan: things either on your conventional
Duncan: television or check out on their streaming
Duncan: channel on their computer or whatever.
Duncan: However, they're consuming that, which is
Duncan: going to help the numbers.
Duncan: But the biggest thing is like who is
Duncan: executive producer of True Detective season
Duncan: four?
Duncan: Nick Pizzalato.
Duncan: So he's shooting himself.
Duncan: If I worked for HBO, why would I ever hire
Duncan: this guy to do anything for me again in
Duncan: terms of running a show or pitching a show
Duncan: or anything, when he is basically verbally
Duncan: trying to massacre the thing that just did
Duncan: record numbers on our channel?
Duncan: And you never burn the bridge, even when
Duncan: you get to the other side of it, because
Duncan: you may have to cross it.
Bo: Right, you're right.
Bo: Right, I mean that feels like a bear, I
Bo: like.
Bo: I know he's not a young man, but that feels
Bo: like a young man's move of, just like yeah
Bo: fuck him.
Bo: And it's like no man.
Bo: There's a way to be political about this,
Bo: where you don't shut that door, yeah, right.
Bo: Right, like, even if he didn't like the
Bo: season, he's still getting that paycheck.
Bo: And like, don't be a hypocrite.
Bo: If that's how he feels about it, make sure
Bo: you're returning the checks.
Duncan: Even David Fincher went back to work with
Duncan: the film studio that destroyed his love of
Duncan: making he's very first movie, alien 3.
Duncan: He went back and worked with him 20 years
Duncan: later, even after he said he would never
Duncan: work with that studio again, he would never
Duncan: fuck it like he was the most miserable
Duncan: experience.
Duncan: What is his name off that movie?
Duncan: Et cetera, et cetera.
Duncan: He did go back 20 years later.
Duncan: So, like it's not, there's only so many
Duncan: places you can eat.
Duncan: So you know, and I just don't, I just don't
Duncan: get.
Duncan: But yes, both myself and Bo have been
Duncan: champing it a bit to get into the finale.
Duncan: Can't believe it's almost here.
Duncan: But what we were saying before we hit
Duncan: record was after seeing this episode I'm
Duncan: just going to flex.
Duncan: We have been right on so many of the things
Duncan: revealed from almost episode one or two.
Duncan: A lot of it we've hit square on the head.
Duncan: And yeah, I mean I'm just going to say
Duncan: we've still to see the ending.
Duncan: More people still on the table.
Bo: Absolutely a hundred percent.
Bo: They are as well as as crap.
Bo: People who would?
Bo: Live in tunnels under the ground, Bo there
Bo: is a callback I've got for this episode, as
Bo: a matter of fact, that I was really happy.
Duncan: Don't call it a callback.
Bo: Yeah, I've been here for years, baby Anyway
Bo: so let's talk about some movies, good and
Bo: bad.
Bo: If you don't mind, I want to kick us off
Bo: with a good.
Bo: Please do, just because I watched it last
Bo: night and I'm still I'm still high on it,
Bo: duncan still feeling the vibe.
Bo: I rewatched Darkman.
Bo: Oh, that man is so much fun, dude, it is
Bo: such a good time and it's it's such a great
Bo: period of rainy where he still got the evil
Bo: dead running through the veins, yep, and
Bo: run him through my veins, I can't get him
Bo: out.
Bo: But at the same time you can see the
Bo: glimmers of, you know, spider-man and all
Bo: the stuff that came after.
Bo: Yeah, and it's, it's a really nice
Bo: interstitial kind of film for him, where
Bo: it's still just grungy and B movie as fuck,
Bo: but it it has all the trappings of the big
Bo: budget stuff that he would go on to do and,
Bo: yeah, I had so much fun with it.
Bo: It's kind of mean spirited and huge.
Bo: I mean, look, if you cannot enjoy Liam
Bo: Neeson prancing around in that movie when
Bo: he's like coming to get the freak and
Bo: you're just like man.
Bo: You are going for it.
Duncan: I love Liam.
Bo: Neeson, you rarely see you.
Duncan: It is full Gonzo Liam Neeson and I fucking
Duncan: love it.
Duncan: Within a couple of years of making this
Duncan: movie.
Duncan: He plays Rob Roy McGregor in the movie of
Duncan: Rob Roy and it is the most sobering
Duncan: portrayal of a Scotsman you will ever see.
Duncan: And before he's, he's like fucking.
Duncan: He's.
Duncan: He's fucking breaks a guy's fingers at a
Duncan: carnival to get a teddy bear.
Bo: It's man, that scene is so goddamn good
Bo: it's because it almost has like a creep
Bo: show level of like red backgrounds and oh
Bo: it's still on.
Bo: I still on man.
Bo: I love that movie.
Bo: It is so good.
Bo: I mean it's completely not a perfect movie,
Bo: like it's got all kinds of flaws, but
Bo: there's just so much spirit to it.
Bo: And the moment when the Oldsmobile shows up
Bo: with the Coen Brothers driving it.
Bo: I'm like, yeah, you know, it's just it's
Bo: such a movie, nerd kind of movie.
Bo: I think I really dig it.
Bo: It's so good, so that's my good.
Bo: I mean, you can go on and on about Darkman
Bo: if you want, but everybody's seen it.
Bo: I just my enthusiasm was overflowing and I
Bo: could not resist giving it that shout out.
Duncan: My good.
Duncan: My good is one that I'd seen before, but I
Duncan: watched recently on a workstrip and it
Duncan: filled up a very easy one two and three
Duncan: quarter hours and it reminded me why.
Duncan: Whether you like him or you, load them, and
Duncan: we spoke about them recently, but there is
Duncan: absolutely no dispute that Quentin
Duncan: Tarantino reign supreme above everyone.
Duncan: I watch once upon a time in Hollywood.
Duncan: Oh and it is Well.
Duncan: That's maybe my seventh time seeing that
Duncan: movie now and it is just aging like a fine
Duncan: wine.
Bo: Yeah, that is rapidly climbing the list for
Bo: me of my favorite.
Duncan: Tarantino film.
Duncan: I think it might now be my favorite
Duncan: Tarantino movie.
Bo: It's real goddamn good, I mean it much like
Bo: the holdovers when I was describing that
Bo: movie to you have like settling into like
Bo: an old comforter of a movie, and that's how
Bo: I feel when I watch once upon a time in
Bo: Hollywood.
Bo: Yeah just like, oh, let me just let this
Bo: movie just wash over me.
Bo: And, you know, the only time that I even
Bo: perk up from that days of good moviemaking
Bo: is the scene when Brad Pitt is climbing the
Bo: roof and I'm just like don't fuck yourself
Bo: like you can.
Bo: How do you look that good in your 73 years,
Bo: jesus Christ?
Duncan: I think we mentioned it when we first look
Duncan: at it as well.
Duncan: It's maybe the only movie where the
Duncan: filmmaker can have the audacity to have a
Duncan: five minute scene of feeding a dog and you
Duncan: just roll with it.
Duncan: You're like I could watch him.
Duncan: I could watch him watch the dishes.
Bo: Yeah, it's one of my favorite scenes in the
Bo: movie.
Bo: It really is.
Bo: I mean, there's that the bit about him kind
Bo: of controlling the dog, which pays off
Bo: later.
Bo: Yeah, but it's just watching handsome ass
Bo: Brad Pitt smoking a cigarette and feeding
Bo: his sloppy ass dog and like, yes, I wish
Bo: this was my life.
Bo: I wish I could just come home and this is
Bo: what was happening.
Duncan: Yeah, it's absolutely excellent front to
Duncan: back, so that that was my good.
Bo: I'm the devil and I'm here to devil shit or
Bo: something, it's he really does it like in
Bo: this.
Duncan: I remember like all the criticism which
Duncan: seemed to miss a point in the movie about
Duncan: the way he changed history at the end and
Duncan: all the rest.
Duncan: And they missed the point that what he's
Duncan: doing is he's declawing a thing that like
Duncan: still looks very large over America.
Duncan: It was like that.
Duncan: That was that's what destroyed quote
Duncan: unquote the summer of love.
Duncan: That was.
Duncan: That was the end of it.
Duncan: Like the free love movement died the day
Duncan: that Sharon Tate died and he de-claws it by
Duncan: making them fucking imbeciles, like just
Duncan: absolute fucking morons.
Duncan: And he does it like the same way and then
Duncan: glorious bastards.
Duncan: He makes the Nazis like not withstanding
Duncan: Christopher's, but he makes like a Hitler
Duncan: and all that just fucking idiots.
Duncan: So, yeah, it's really.
Duncan: Yeah, it's really really good and it's a,
Duncan: it's a fairy tale.
Duncan: The whole point is the whole point.
Bo: Yeah, like movies are magic and fairy tales
Bo: and this is a fairy tale version of that
Bo: and where the good guys win and everybody
Bo: like it's.
Bo: It's his most upbeat, optimistic movie that
Bo: he's fucking done, and maybe that's when
Bo: people bristle out there like I wanted
Bo: everyone to die.
Bo: You know where's Jennifer Jason Lee
Bo: murdering everyone, but yeah, so my bad
Bo: Look again.
Bo: This will come as a surprise to no one
Bo: who's ever heard me on a show ever.
Bo: I don't need your pity.
Bo: Go on bull.
True Detective: But I don't need your pity.
Duncan: Go on bull, but I like a good creature
Duncan: feature and.
Bo: I even like a bad creature feature on
Bo: occasion and I somehow or another, I had
Bo: never gotten around to the sequel to
Bo: Blackwater, the killer crocodile movie
Bo: called Blackwater Abyss.
True Detective: Yeah, no, it's really not like all.
Duncan: And okay but the it's frustrating.
Bo: It's frustratingly dumb, like really Right
Bo: in all the characters, like all the shit
Bo: about.
Duncan: Like you know, I'm pregnant.
Bo: Oh, but I forgot.
Bo: We're having a fight.
Bo: Who?
Duncan: gives a fuck like deal with this shit later.
Bo: Wait till you get home.
Bo: Precipes Donna.
Bo: God damn it Donna.
Duncan: Precipes Um.
Bo: So, um yeah, that was real stupid.
Bo: But the reason to bring it up is just to do
Bo: a shout out for a much better crocodile
Bo: movie, which is Greg McLean's Rogue, which
Bo: is a great killer project, great movie,
Bo: yeah, like doesn't we don't have to deal
Bo: with a bunch of who fuck to who's having a
Bo: fair bullshit.
Bo: It is just crocodile V people and crocodile
Bo: wins a lot.
Bo: And that's what I want out of those movies
Bo: Like why did they always screw up the
Bo: recipe of?
Bo: Like well, we've got to make people care
Bo: about the characters.
Bo: No, I don't care about the characters.
Bo: All I need to know is why they're there,
Bo: and then seeing them struggle will make me
Bo: like them.
Bo: So, anyway, that's my bad, but also a good,
Bo: hidden inside like a little, a little new
Bo: get center of my bad.
Bo: What?
Bo: What's your bad?
Duncan: Um, so I am finally got into something.
Duncan: I have a shutter subscription, right, and I
Duncan: am absolutely fucking terrible at using my
Duncan: shutter subscription.
Duncan: What happens is I forget I have it, and
Duncan: then there's a movie that gets a bit of
Duncan: traction and then, like that, I should.
Duncan: I still have my.
Duncan: Oh, I still have my oh, I should go and
Duncan: check it out.
Duncan: I somehow completely missed the fact that
Duncan: VHS 85 came out last year.
Duncan: Oh, yeah.
Duncan: Now, I didn't hate VHS.
Duncan: What was it?
Duncan: Ninety, nine or whatever.
Duncan: It was 94.
Duncan: I thought it was 99 because it like it's
Duncan: set during Y2.
True Detective: OK, one of them is I'm sorry.
Duncan: Right.
True Detective: Sorry, yeah, the other yeah, yeah who
True Detective: carried you.
Duncan: It's just like there's there's like 30 of
Duncan: these movies by now, so yeah, I remember
Duncan: kind of thinking it wasn't there, was it
Duncan: like one or two segments that were just
Duncan: like inherently shit, but all of them have
Duncan: that.
Duncan: But there was a couple that I thought were
Duncan: pretty cool, including the one that the one
Duncan: that was set in hell.
Duncan: Oh yeah, the one that was directed by the
Duncan: dude that did the found footage movie.
Duncan: That was fucking great.
Bo: Yeah, I can't think of the name.
Bo: It's not Deadstream, but something like
Bo: that.
Duncan: Deadstream is.
Duncan: Deadstream, deadstream, yeah, so the the
Duncan: guy did it, so that was really good and I
Duncan: want to see there was Was an internet based
Duncan: one, or whatever.
Duncan: It was Like like a lot of it was good,
Duncan: right, but not all of it.
Duncan: There was a vampire one that I really liked
Duncan: and an interest was throw away, and so I'd
Duncan: somehow completely Missed the fact that if
Duncan: I had come out and David Brugner did one I
Duncan: like David Brugner as a director Scott
Duncan: Derrickson did one I like Scott Derrickson
Duncan: I was like I'm going to check this out.
Duncan: Piece of shit Front to back, piece of shit,
Duncan: just I don't know, not good, no, it's not.
Duncan: And I think the problem was that the tone
Duncan: is all the same throughout it and the tone
Duncan: is pretty shay and like there wasn't any
Duncan: that I necessarily felt Try to do something
Duncan: substantially different from any of the
Duncan: others.
Duncan: Like they all seem to kind of.
Duncan: The problem is they all end kind of the
Duncan: same way, which is a trope with the VHS
Duncan: movies, is they all kind of?
Duncan: They're all kind of trying to make Many
Duncan: found footage movies and they all end the
Duncan: tiresome found food sort of way.
Duncan: And yeah, it was a slog.
Duncan: I felt like I was watching it for like in
Duncan: between recordings here with you, like a
Duncan: fellow in on for days, and I think there's
Duncan: another one coming.
Duncan: I think like cause you're there now.
Duncan: I essentially think own VHS, the rights
Duncan: that they can just turn them out every year
Duncan: now and I don't think that's necessarily a
Duncan: great idea.
Bo: I think it's bloody disgusting.
Bo: Who owns it and you've got to deal with.
Bo: Yeah, I see.
Duncan: Even worse.
Duncan: Oh, at this point, like just I just put it
Duncan: to bed, I think we've had enough.
Duncan: Yeah, that's got it.
Bo: It feels like the Scott Derrickson was
Bo: really the the thing in it.
Bo: I mean it's the longest by far and feels
Bo: like an actual short film.
Duncan: Yes, and I like one, but and principle has
Duncan: a cool idea, yeah, and I just think it.
Duncan: I think I isn't aided by the fact that it's
Duncan: not really got enough time or money to
Duncan: flesh it out in any fully meaningful way
Duncan: and it cuts a lot of corners.
Duncan: And then I'm just used to.
Duncan: To me, scott Derrickson is just a bigger
Duncan: director than that now and it's kind of
Duncan: great that he wants to give something back
Duncan: and do something short form.
Duncan: But that did command huge budgets now, so
Duncan: he should be off commanding huge budgets.
Duncan: Blackphone was a great fucking movie, you
Duncan: know.
Duncan: I mean I like that.
Duncan: That's what he did prior to this and I
Duncan: can't equate the two, because one is he
Duncan: very well made like, really well acted,
Duncan: really well put together adaptation of a
Duncan: Joe Hill novel, and this is beneath him.
Duncan: I won't say that we're getting a black
Duncan: phone to.
Duncan: I don't know how that works, except it made
Duncan: a lot of money and it's just a bad idea and
Duncan: I probably won't enjoy it.
Duncan: But yeah, it was really bad.
Duncan: I didn't like it at all.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, that's a real crap outing that
Bo: VR one is especially like.
Bo: Why are we even wasting our time with any
Bo: of this Like?
Duncan: yeah, the VR one is just basically an
Duncan: exercise and like can I kick you in the
Duncan: testicles again please?
Duncan: Oh, excellent.
Bo: Yeah, like yeah, right, yes, there's a guy
Bo: in the VR, the computer oh my God,
Bo: computers are aware of us Like.
Bo: This is the tiredest ass shit.
Duncan: Next to be making movies about bad AI.
Duncan: Oh, I mean, all those positive movies on AI
Duncan: at the moment are just really just the AI
Duncan: narrative is being skewed.
Bo: Just so stupid.
Bo: Anyway, all right, so let's get into this
Bo: episode, Duncan.
Bo: Yeah we got a lot of material to cover here.
Duncan: There's tons of things being tied up, and
Duncan: then there's a lot of things being kind of
Duncan: set up for this final episode.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, so we open on like where we
Bo: left it last time was at the place where we
Bo: see Navarro coming out of here, since like
Bo: Total Clif anger.
Duncan: What the fuck is going on with the front?
Bo: Yeah and, and that is largely never
Bo: discussed- no, because we we jump forward
Bo: six days.
Duncan: Yeah, it's like that.
Duncan: No, so I don't know.
Duncan: I'm kind of hoping, I'm in two thoughts
Duncan: with us.
Duncan: I'm kind of hoping that in episode six we
Duncan: fill in some of the blanks there.
Duncan: But then I also think I, if it was super
Duncan: important, they would have covered it in
Duncan: episode six, even if it was a callback to a
Duncan: previous conversation.
Duncan: And maybe it's just not that important,
Duncan: like because our ear, ear drums were
Duncan: bleeding but they appear to be fine now.
Bo: So yeah, and you know, and we know that
Bo: there are degrees of this, because of
Bo: something we'll get to later, but so we'll
Bo: put a pin in that.
Bo: But so that's not where we open, though we
Bo: open on the cremation of Julia, oh fuck's
Bo: sake yeah.
Bo: And, as she is being like, burned, placed
Bo: in this rock machine to you know, turn it
Bo: all into dust and and put it in her own and
Bo: then just hand it over to Navarro who, like
Bo: I said, you know, seems totally fine at
Bo: this point.
Bo: And the the most brutal moment of this for
Bo: me is when the woman says careful with that,
Bo: it's hot.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: It's like, oh, what in the fuck?
Duncan: Yeah, Couldn't do anything to kill it.
Duncan: You know, like blast freeze or something.
Duncan: Before we hand it over we had to handle
Duncan: overstile smoldering.
Bo: Awesome and her kind of like blowing on a
Bo: little bit was a little in portaste, I
Bo: thought.
Bo: Oh, she said and I was like oh, that seems
Bo: heartless really.
Duncan: She was wearing a pepper pink oven mitts.
Duncan: I mean that was pretty bad for yeah yeah.
Bo: Then she drops it.
Bo: Oops, oh, but it's sealed up, it's fine.
Duncan: Yeah, hicks it bending over and the giant
Duncan: dent in the side of the metal.
Bo: I'll give you 10 bucks off On our scratched
Bo: and dent sales before she offers a 10 bucks.
Duncan: That almost never happens.
Bo: Don't tell anyone.
Bo: You were here, ok, so we're going to help.
Duncan: We're going to help.
Bo: Danvers, meanwhile, is at the hospital
Bo: where you know they've brought Otis highs,
Bo: and she's told by the nurse like hey, you
Bo: can't talk to him for more than about 10
Bo: minutes because he's detoxing.
Bo: Yeah because he likes to write the pony,
Bo: and so we do get an interview, though it's
Bo: Danvers talking to Otis and it's like you
Bo: know, tell me about Mr Clark, dr Lector,
Bo: and he, he's like I didn't, I didn't really
Bo: know Clark, and but Clark came to him
Bo: because he had survived whatever happened,
Bo: right, and we're going to get into that,
Bo: the night country shit.
Bo: But he says Clark wants to know how he
Bo: survived and he's like, well, how did you
Bo: survive, dr Lector?
True Detective: And he's like, do you?
Bo: think I did like my eyes.
True Detective: Oh, I know.
Duncan: Get a wash case with the rose.
Duncan: His eyes are fucking white.
Duncan: He's like his face is all narrow.
Bo: These nurses have gone to shit.
Bo: Yeah, yeah.
Duncan: I'm doing fine, like this guy here Shagger
Duncan: Shagger's doing fine right now.
Bo: You know God's been a real pal to me.
Bo: He threw a truck.
Bo: Sorry, We've got a.
Bo: We've got a couple of opportunities to do
Bo: some dead zone riffs when you while they're
Bo: remaking it.
Duncan: If you've been following the news today, I
Duncan: saw that.
Bo: So who's directing?
Bo: And then we did we did.
Duncan: We do the studio of options for a remake of
Duncan: the dead zone and the remake of American
Duncan: cycle, which are two bizarre titles to be
Duncan: picking, and that's only to the venim's.
Duncan: So I guess it's dead zone makes sense to me
Duncan: because of the political climate.
Duncan: I think there's loads you can do there, or
Duncan: that one American cycle less so because I
Duncan: imagine if they're redoing that, it's still
Duncan: set in the 80s, like Brett Nellis has like
Duncan: a tight grip on that.
Duncan: You're going to have to do that and it's
Duncan: always going to be compared to Christian
Duncan: Bale and I'm sorry, christian Bale is
Duncan: Patrick Bateman.
Duncan: Having read the book, christian Bale is
Duncan: Patrick Bateman and I don't care who you
Duncan: put in that role, it ain't going to work.
Duncan: Ain't going to work.
Bo: What if they bring him back for it?
Bo: He's just older.
Duncan: So I would watch that and he'll never do it.
Duncan: I do.
Duncan: You know what, what, what happens if they
Duncan: bring what who's who's?
Duncan: The second one again, I forgot one.
Duncan: Yeah, what me?
Duncan: I couldn't see Stalker.
Duncan: She could come back, although she did kill
Duncan: Bill Shatner, so he won't be coming back.
Bo: No, it's going to be a long, long time.
True Detective: But yeah, that's a good opportunity.
Duncan: He's about this is going to break.
Bo: Yeah, very pointedly.
Bo: But yeah, and so Danvers is like tell me
Bo: about the night country, doctor Lector, and
Bo: he's like what I don't know what you're
Bo: talking about I was fucking stowed out of
Bo: my balls.
Bo: And she says, well, you were saying
Bo: something.
Bo: She's awake, yeah, and he's.
Bo: He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a Clark
Bo: had said that to me and you know, danvers
Bo: has the flashback of her kid and I've had a
Bo: really interesting theory about the, the
Bo: visions that people are having.
Bo: Oh yeah, Is it because of the toxins?
Duncan: That's what I've been reading.
Duncan: Could it?
Duncan: Could it be?
Bo: I had that.
Bo: I literally have not read this.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: This has been my like the thing about like
Bo: oh, people see dead people around here.
Bo: It's like, oh well, the water Right.
Duncan: Yeah, the water is bad.
Duncan: That's, you know, like your body having a
Duncan: weird side effect and trying to work itself
Duncan: through.
Duncan: That way, when you eat some really bad,
Duncan: like fucking Indian food or something, and
Duncan: you're you're you.
Duncan: Basically you see things you're not
Duncan: supposed to see because your stomach is is
Duncan: ruined and your brain is trying to put you
Duncan: in some sort of meditative happy place, so
Duncan: you don't have to go through the pain that
Duncan: your body is now right.
Duncan: That was the first one.
Duncan: The second thing that I read, which I
Duncan: instantly disproved within three seconds of
Duncan: just I don't know, having watched the show,
Duncan: is that Rose isn't real.
Duncan: She's a ghost, because only Navarro has
Duncan: actually spoken to her.
Bo: Back to me, but that's I thought about that
Bo: earlier, but that's not the case.
Duncan: It can't be.
Duncan: And you want to know why it can't be?
Duncan: Because, yeah, she called in the bodies and
Duncan: it was the first thing I like when I read.
Duncan: It was like that.
Duncan: But she called in the bodies.
Duncan: So I just physically went back to the first
Duncan: episode and, yeah, she called in the bodies,
Duncan: right, yeah, so I just think people are
Duncan: reaching Bo, they're reaching, they're not,
Duncan: they're not grounded in their investigation
Duncan: like we are, and we will prove it as we
Duncan: review this episode and call it all the
Duncan: things that we got right from the start yes.
Bo: I mean, look, we are scientists, if nothing
Bo: else, science.
Bo: So he eventually tells the story of like
Bo: why Clark wanted to find him in the first
Bo: place, how he got hurt.
Bo: And there it was.
Bo: They were fucking around in the ice caves.
Bo: Yes, he had a bunch of, you know, other men
Bo: and there was a collapse and so some men
Bo: were trapped inside, heist and a bunch of
Bo: other dudes go for help.
Bo: But as they're leaving, the way he puts it
Bo: is like, you know, we heard him moan and
Bo: everybody started to go towards it and I
Bo: chased after him.
Bo: And then she's like and then what happened,
Bo: dr Lector?
Bo: And just on the edge of her seat, quit pro
Bo: quo, dr Lector, what happened to you after
Bo: the ice cave?
Bo: And and he's like oh, fucking no, he's like.
Bo: I woke up and my eyes were fucked up, my
Bo: ears are jacked.
Bo: And she's like are you kidding me?
Bo: And then she literally looked at the camera
Bo: and was like are you serious?
Duncan: This is in the back, go, look that.
Duncan: Trust the process.
Duncan: Trust the process.
Bo: Yeah, and so she shows him this map of the
Bo: area and he's like yeah, the cave's
Bo: entrance is here, but you can't go down
Bo: there because of how, how thin the ice is
Bo: and what could happen, duncan, the ice is
Bo: going to break Right.
Bo: And so she she says, well, don't worry
Bo: about that, dr Lector, because you're
Bo: coming with me.
Duncan: And he's like what?
Bo: Well, the only way I'm coming with you is
Bo: if I get well well, we went right and she's
Bo: like I don't understand what that means.
Bo: Get my medicine, we medicine, yeah Ha keep
Bo: going, keep going, gank.
Bo: Clean burning propane.
Bo: Yes and yeah, I have that written into my
Bo: notes, by the way, of course you do.
Bo: So Navarro is waiting in the truck and
Bo: Danvers gets in and is like, hey, we're
Bo: good to go to the entrance of this place.
Bo: I've got it on the map.
Bo: And she's like are you up for it?
Bo: Dr Lector and Navarro is like yeah, I'm
Bo: good.
Bo: And she looks back and Danvers looks back
Bo: and in the backseat, like, with the
Bo: seatbelt buckled over, it is the urn, yeah,
Bo: and she goes.
Bo: Do you want to talk about it?
Bo: Dr Lector and Navarro is like nah, and
Bo: she's like all right, and then they just go.
Bo: But it's a nice moment where it's like, if
Bo: you want to talk about this weekend, she's
Bo: just like nah, it's not worth it right now.
Duncan: Let's just move on.
Duncan: She is.
Duncan: She is putting a lot of personal shit on
Duncan: hold to she solves this case, yeah, and
Duncan: then it's going to come crashing down.
Bo: Oh yeah, she is going to need some time off.
Bo: So Pete gets to kick the fuck out in the
Bo: next scene and that's really all that
Bo: happens.
Bo: But he gets kicked the fuck out Like.
Duncan: To be honest, the previous conversation we
Duncan: saw, which was apparently six days ago, he
Duncan: basically said to his wife like you blame
Duncan: me for having a kid and tying you down to
Duncan: this life, which I mean that's never.
Duncan: I'll be honest, that's never.
Duncan: That's never a great thing to say to your
Duncan: wife, who is desperately trying to sleep.
Bo: Right, right, right yeah, let me go after
Bo: the very nature of your existence right now.
Bo: Yeah, not great, not great pillow talk.
Bo: Um, so, anyway, back to the truck where, uh,
Bo: Danvers and Navarro are barreling across
Bo: the frozen tundra and Navarro points out
Bo: like that, all the caves are in Silver
Bo: Skyland.
Bo: And then after that we have another kind of
Bo: personal moment where she's like, hey, I
Bo: meant to ask how's Leah doing?
Bo: And uh, she's like she's just doing this to
Bo: piss me off, dr Lecter.
Bo: And she's like, well, yeah, but you know
Bo: that there's something wrong with the water.
Bo: And she gets defensive in a way where she's
Bo: like I know, I know, you know where.
Bo: She's like, I understand how bad this is,
Bo: but again, we've talked about this, right?
Duncan: Yeah, she's.
Duncan: She is following any key footsteps, and
Duncan: everything Danvers tries to do is just
Duncan: pushing her further along that way.
Bo: Yeah, there's a.
Bo: Leah has a surprisingly good evaluation of
Bo: her in this episode that we'll get to but I
Bo: really like it.
Duncan: Leah.
Duncan: Like the roles are like.
Duncan: Leah has the adults part in the
Duncan: conversation between the two later on.
Duncan: Yes, and you're just like what, like how,
Duncan: how, yeah.
Bo: Um so anyway.
Bo: So they're going to uh the entrance of the
Bo: ice caves.
True Detective: They're on their way.
Bo: Meanwhile, speaking of Leah, cut to her
Bo: with her girlfriend.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: Uh, as they are at a protest and she's
Bo: doing like the, the streak of black across
Bo: the mouth and they're grabbing picket signs
Bo: and they are.
Bo: They're ready to do an old fashioned
Bo: protest, Duncan.
Duncan: Yep.
Bo: Um, so then we check back in with Denver,
Bo: danvers and Navarro, who make it to the
Bo: entrance of this cave only to find that it
Bo: has been completely covered over.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: And like the people in the town of Ennis,
Duncan: miles away, can hear Navarro's reaction
Duncan: where she's like fuck, she loses it on the
Duncan: ice man.
Bo: It's yeah, it is truly one for the ages.
Bo: She lets it go in a borrow like storms,
Bo: back to the truck, all pissed off and it's
Bo: just you know.
Bo: You know this is just their luck, right,
Bo: Like every, every time they get a lead, it
Bo: gets shut down.
Duncan: I mean, it does look like it's been
Duncan: deliberately closed.
Bo: Oh, absolutely they.
Bo: They say like it looks like it's been blown,
Bo: yeah, so then John Hawks in a really nice
Bo: month.
Bo: This whole sequence, I think, is really
Bo: good where John Hawks, who previously in
Bo: one of the episodes they Pete, and I think
Bo: it's being Danvers are talking about how
Bo: it's Pete and Leah.
Duncan: Okay, pete and Leah, about different their
Duncan: parents where before them.
Bo: Right, right, right, right, right Right.
Bo: And Pete's talking about how he's never
Bo: heard his dad play music.
Bo: And sure enough, you know, because he's
Bo: kicked out and he's got his bags packed.
Bo: He is going to his dad's house and he stops
Bo: outside because he hears him playing and he
Bo: just stops and listens to him play this
Bo: incredibly depressing song.
Duncan: That's the most depressing song.
Duncan: This might be why he never made it as a
Duncan: musician, right.
Bo: Every time you listen to one of his songs,
Bo: you were like I can't listen to any more.
Duncan: I know anything?
Duncan: Do you know anything about Pete?
Bo: Yeah, of course the God has forsaken me
Bo: Right, like the opening line is like there
Bo: is no God in the world.
Bo: You're like, wow, this was that written by
Bo: Tom Waits.
Bo: There is no God in this old town.
Duncan: Oh man, yeah, but like he's, he's, he's
Duncan: playing that and Pete stands outside and
Duncan: kind of takes it in and listens to his dad.
Duncan: This song is interspersed, Like it's played
Duncan: over the background of, basically like how
Duncan: fucked Ennis is as a place.
Duncan: Like the disparity of what is going on in
Duncan: this town on this night is absolutely
Duncan: incredible.
Duncan: But we see lots of stuff to do with the
Duncan: protests specifically.
Duncan: But yeah, it's just like it's.
Duncan: It's miserable and like take it from, if
Duncan: you take it from like John Hawks point of
Duncan: view.
Duncan: He literally has his mail order bride,
Duncan: which we find out may have been financed
Duncan: for from hush money, I mean that's.
Duncan: He says I have none of that money anymore.
Duncan: And it makes you wonder how long's that
Duncan: hustle being going with that mail order
Duncan: bride and how much money is he giving away
Duncan: to her.
Duncan: Like was he spending his money on an Ennis
Duncan: Nothing?
Bo: Right, right.
Bo: Yeah, I mean it's booze and you know so,
Bo: like all this, blood money.
Duncan: All this and we'll touch on what the blood
Duncan: money's actually for, but all this blood
Duncan: money is essentially went on someone who
Duncan: has catfished him.
Bo: Right.
Duncan: Yeah, I'd be singing the blues as well.
Bo: Well, of course, of course.
Bo: Yeah, he has not had it well lately and we
Bo: also, as you said there, there's some stuff
Bo: with the protests going on where we see the
Bo: security and the protesters start to get
Bo: into it a little bit and the cops are on
Bo: the way and after the after Hawks gets done
Bo: playing, pete calls him from outside and is
Bo: like hey, I just want to let you know, like
Bo: Kayla kicked me out and it looks weirdly
Bo: pleased about that as well, as if to my
Bo: son's in misery with me or you know like
Bo: you're having it, because he smiles when he
Bo: says it in a weird sort of way.
Duncan: Oh, that's terrible, oh no.
Bo: Yeah, and I mean I think there's a little
Bo: bit of misery loves company and I think
Bo: he's lonely, you know, and if it means that
Bo: he might be getting some company, then you
Bo: know all the better.
Bo: But yeah, pete lies to him and is like hey,
Bo: I'm five minutes away.
Bo: Do you mind if I say your place?
Duncan: Yeah, I say I said what he's been, what
Duncan: he's up to, and he says he's been working
Duncan: on his truck.
Bo: Yeah yeah, it doesn't even admit he was
Bo: playing his guitar.
Bo: Yeah, it's that boy.
Bo: What a fucked up family.
Duncan: And it's going to get worse oh it is.
Duncan: It is definitely getting worse.
Duncan: We're going to look back and call these
Duncan: times the good times.
Bo: These were the good old days I'm talking
Bo: about.
Bo: Yeah, this, all this all got to go so, so
Bo: bad.
Bo: But yeah, so back at the protest.
Bo: Things are really getting violent.
Bo: Navarro and the cops finally show up.
Bo: As Navarro is waiting into things, by the
Bo: way, she sees another ghost of Annie Kay.
Bo: And then we go to the show, leah's point of
Bo: view, who is getting like hustled by
Bo: another cop?
Bo: It's the same one that was hitting the girl
Bo: at the at the open of the show, you know
Bo: the cannery or whatever working the
Bo: cleaning crew and anyway he's going after.
Bo: Leah Navarro tackles them.
Bo: Leah yells for a girlfriend who is like
Bo: fuck that and takes off.
Duncan: Yeah, like no support at all.
Duncan: And Leah doesn't just like run away from
Duncan: this cop.
Duncan: This cop fucking whales on her like two
Duncan: times with a, with a big baton right across
Duncan: the top of her head, right into her ribs,
Duncan: and Navarro obviously runs across, manages
Duncan: to save Leah whilst pissing off this cop.
Duncan: And yeah, like I mean Danvers doesn't want
Duncan: to say I told you so, but like kind of you
Duncan: know what I mean.
Duncan: She did see like is that thing of fuck
Duncan: around?
Duncan: Find out.
Duncan: You don't fuck around with the police,
Duncan: don't fuck around with the five or four.
Bo: You know, I mean just just continuing with
Bo: that, because they're in the car together.
Bo: There is a great moment where Leah is like
Bo: how come you weren't there on our side.
Bo: Who said, are you on anyway?
Bo: And Navarro is like oh fuck, you're making
Bo: me side with your mom.
Bo: That's not the and.
Bo: And Leah finally just like take me home.
Bo: And Navarro is like I can't really do that.
Duncan: Yeah, Because Danvers is basically told her
Duncan: bring her in.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And Leah's response to that is fucking pigs
Bo: all of you.
Bo: Which is you?
Duncan: know, hurtful.
Bo: I mean, meanwhile we'll we'll kind of mush
Bo: these, these two scenes together, because
Bo: Danvers gets a call from Dr who saying, hey,
Bo: I need you to meet at McKintrick's office
Bo: the lady from Silver Sky and Danvers is
Bo: like what's going on, dr who?
Bo: And he's like just be there, yeah.
Bo: And she's like, oh fuck, this doesn't seem
Bo: good.
Duncan: But she gets a reprieve because Pete says
Duncan: I've been doing a little digging around and
Duncan: remember that total institute that we
Duncan: mentioned a couple of episodes ago, that
Duncan: Internet went mental about and well turns
Duncan: out they're actually owned by a company
Duncan: that's owned by a company, that's owned by
Duncan: a shell company that is actually partners
Duncan: with the main company.
Duncan: I guess who the finance?
Duncan: Remember everyone, the Salal Station, which
Duncan: means there is a direct connection between
Duncan: Salal and the main, which, by the way, I
Duncan: think we called on the episode two Yep,
Duncan: 100%.
Bo: As soon as it happened, it was like, oh OK,
Bo: well.
Bo: So as soon as they mentioned the total
Bo: group, is like, oh well, it don't spell
Bo: that.
Duncan: Yeah, and we were right, yeah, because
Duncan: we're very smart.
Duncan: We're going to be saying that a lot moving
Duncan: forward as well.
Duncan: So let's say, let's just try and keep it in
Duncan: check.
Duncan: Well, let's just try and keep it in check.
Bo: So there's there's a personal moment
Bo: between Danvers and Pete where she's like
Bo: did you, did you know that she was going to
Bo: be at the protest, dr Pete?
True Detective: And it's like no, no, no.
Bo: I, I didn't know anything that was going on
Bo: because I got kicked the fuck out.
Bo: Yeah, and Danvers was like oh well, do you
Bo: have a place to say, Dr Lector?
Bo: Yeah, and he's like look, if I stay at your
Bo: place, that is a fast track to a divorce.
Duncan: Yeah, that's a divorce right there.
Duncan: Right, well, you get read between the lanes.
Duncan: You might be the reason that I can't go
Duncan: home tonight.
Bo: Right and while Pete is laying all this
Bo: information on the stuff we just talked
Bo: about, that is where Leah is brought into
Bo: the station and, like Danvers, literally
Bo: turns her back to her.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And, but yeah.
Duncan: Leah what?
Duncan: Leah walks up to front desk, spits blood on
Duncan: the counter, says just give me my fucking
Duncan: phone call, right, because if you're going
Duncan: to do that in a movie, do it then Uh-huh.
Bo: You want to fly Danvers?
Duncan: I want to fuck with you, Sam.
Duncan: It's instantly quotable.
Duncan: Like you get me on a Robocop kick.
Duncan: We are going to be here all night, all
Duncan: night.
Bo: Danvers leave.
Bo: Oh, what are my favorite moments?
Bo: Happens here in this whole episode, when,
Bo: when Pete is walking off and Danvers is
Bo: like sorry about the divorce, dr Lector,
Bo: he's like it's not a divorce and she's like
Bo: whatever, like has zero belief that
Bo: anything is going to get worked out here.
Bo: She's just like, oh, you're fucked.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, also, I've got to go, I'm going
Bo: to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to go,
Bo: I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going
Bo: to go.
Bo: I'm going to go.
Bo: Also, I've got a key I'll give.
Bo: I'll give that to you later, don't worry
Bo: about it right now.
Duncan: This like I want to get.
Duncan: I've read some things that talked about the
Duncan: dissatisfaction that some people have with
Duncan: the writing in this season and I just don't
Duncan: get it because that, specifically in this
Duncan: episode, everything is paid off.
Duncan: All the everything that's set up is
Duncan: completely paid off, and it's paid off in a
Duncan: way when I was like that, just a chef's
Duncan: kiss, jeff's kiss.
Bo: Yeah, I right, I really enjoy doing this
Bo: with you because it forces me to go back
Bo: and watch it a second time and critically,
Bo: and as I'm doing them like man, this really
Bo: does hang together real well.
Duncan: Well, I think this is the thing people
Duncan: forget is, like in the previous seasons,
Duncan: the true detective they're focused on to
Duncan: the two cop leads.
Duncan: This season is juggling about four or five
Duncan: storylines intricate with characters and it
Duncan: is paid off.
Duncan: Like everything they've set up from almost
Duncan: episode one or introduced as episode one is
Duncan: even just a slight discussion point, is
Duncan: either paid off in this episode or, I have
Duncan: to guess, will be paid off in the finale.
Duncan: But the like the the writing is being like,
Duncan: especially this like who is this actor that
Duncan: plays Pete?
Bo: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Duncan: He's great.
True Detective: Yeah.
Duncan: He's absolutely brilliant because he's
Duncan: holding his own against, like Academy Award
Duncan: winner Fucking Jody Foster.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nuts, yeah,
Bo: it's so good.
Bo: So, speaking of, pete goes to go check on
Bo: Leah who is, you know, in her cell.
Duncan: Nobody knows the trouble I've been.
Duncan: Nobody knows.
Bo: Running across the bars.
Duncan: It gives her, it gives us.
True Detective: Yeah, now down 40 years since I anyway.
Duncan: So yeah, the thing is like there is a high
Duncan: probability that, like Danvers, keeps it in
Duncan: there for Forever.
Bo: Like, yes, it left to her devices.
Bo: Yeah, because, yeah, danvers is a real
Bo: tough love kind of person, but this is the
Bo: scene that I was talking about, where
Bo: there's a really good, I think, evaluation
Bo: of her, where.
Bo: So Pete gives Leah Pepsi and Leah is like I
Bo: don't like Pepsi, no, I don't like Pepsi.
Bo: And he's like there was no mountain doing.
Bo: The machine shut up and there they talk
Bo: about how, like her girlfriend sucks and he
Bo: got kicked out.
Bo: And then Leah tells a story that Kayla told
Bo: her about Pete where, when you know, back
Bo: in his high school football days, when he
Bo: was in a big game, and he's like, oh, is it
Bo: one you know where I won the game?
Bo: And she's like, no, actually you lost the
Bo: game because you were, you know, playing
Bo: linebacker or whatever, and kept falling
Bo: down and this guy kept getting past you.
Bo: And later on we found out that his mother
Bo: had had a stroke or whatever it was, and
Bo: she was like so you let him beat you.
Bo: And he's like I didn't do that.
Bo: She's like, look, just don't let Danvers
Bo: ruin that person.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And this is the lie I love where she says
Bo: she's not good with people she cares about.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And it's a perfect encapsulation of Danvers,
Bo: because Danvers definitely cares about Leah.
Bo: It's just does not have the emotional
Bo: capacity, because of all of her trauma, to
Bo: express that.
Bo: And yeah, it's in a lot of ways Danvers is
Bo: a really A really tortured kind of
Bo: character.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And I think there are odds that she does
Bo: not make it out of episode six.
Duncan: Oh, I was going with Navarro.
Bo: Oh, I think it's more likely, because I
Bo: think Navarro seems too likely to go down
Bo: that road and I think it's in my mind at
Bo: least it's Danvers sacrificing herself for
Bo: Navarro and for ultimately Leah through
Bo: Navarro All right.
Duncan: So I have it in my head that, like Danvers
Duncan: is refusing to listen to the ghost that has
Duncan: something to tell her, and Navarro is
Duncan: Weirdly listening to the ghost that wants
Duncan: to take her away, so oh, Interesting.
Bo: OK, well, we'll see if we're looking.
Duncan: Yeah, we don't know, we don't we stop on
Duncan: this.
Duncan: We had stopped, we were finding out.
Bo: We're finding it, but so.
Duncan: It's interesting that both of us think that
Duncan: somebody does.
Duncan: Yeah, but they're not both making it to the
Duncan: end.
Duncan: That's interesting.
Bo: Navarro tries to talk Danvers out of
Bo: holding Leah in the cell and I went well,
Bo: didn't I?
Duncan: Yeah right, she said it.
Bo: Fuck out of my business, quit fucking
Bo: around in my shit.
Bo: Basically is what she says.
Bo: And but then Danvers tells Navarro like all
Bo: the answer to the file that Pete gave her,
Bo: and she's getting dressed the whole time
Bo: because she's like I got to go meet Dr who
Bo: and McKittrick Dr Lector, so I'll be back
Bo: in a little bit.
Bo: You just keep my shitty daughter in the
Bo: jail cell, but anyway.
Bo: So Danvers is off to Silver Sky where she
Bo: buss in and like just storms into this
Bo: place like she.
Duncan: Like every, every place that Danvers goes,
Duncan: she walks in like she owns kind of while as
Duncan: a character right.
Bo: But everywhere, to borrow like a poker term.
Duncan: She thinks she has the nuts right, like she
Duncan: thinks that I don't think she doesn't in
Duncan: this Like I, like, I think I, I think I
Duncan: once again reading, like some of the the
Duncan: reviews for this episode, I actually think
Duncan: I think she's rust and cold in this
Duncan: situation.
Duncan: I think she realises halfway through this
Duncan: conversation that she is not holding all
Duncan: the cards and I think she then basically
Duncan: plays the rest of that conversation to get
Duncan: as much information as she can without
Duncan: giving anything else.
Bo: OK, all right.
Duncan: Because I think, like the start of the
Duncan: conversation, like she, like she's just,
Duncan: she's like Phillip pissing vinegar with
Duncan: them.
Bo: Because the first thing they do is they
Bo: show her the video.
Bo: They're like, they're like.
Bo: The reason we called you here, yes, is
Bo: because this video you and Avaro are in
Bo: Silver Sky property.
Bo: What the fuck are you looking for?
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And she says well, you know, we had Intel,
Bo: dr Lector, about the area.
Bo: And she's like aha, who gave you that Intel?
Bo: And she's like, well, otis highs, as it
Bo: happens.
Bo: And she's like, huh, huh, well, there's
Bo: good news, yeah, we've solved the mystery.
Bo: And she's like, oh, is that right, dr
Bo: Lector?
Duncan: Yeah, and this is also coming from the
Duncan: Kittridge, yes, and not coming from Dr who,
Duncan: like she is not the police, right, and he
Duncan: is the police and she is basically saying
Duncan: this case is closed.
Bo: Yes, because what she says happens in this
Bo: goes back to the Yadav Paz.
Duncan: Yes.
Bo: But they said there was a slab avalanche,
Bo: that all the guys had gone outside to see
Bo: the last sunset of the year and got hit by
Bo: this avalanche.
Duncan: We, we out and like they just decided to
Duncan: walk for miles Right.
Bo: Stop everything they were doing, and yeah,
Bo: so what area?
Duncan: which didn't have any hills around at all
Duncan: and were hit with avalanche, which I mean.
Duncan: I'm no like volcanologist, but I'm fairly
Duncan: sure that an avalanche rose downhill.
Bo: Yes.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And you're, Davies is pretty quick to say
Bo: fuck your weather event.
Bo: She does.
Bo: Oh she's got over and I mean it's so
Bo: inappropriate and it's completely the wrong
Bo: move to me.
Duncan: Plus, your boss is there, right.
Bo: Like it is wildly out of line.
Duncan: It's not the most out of line thing she
Duncan: says to her, though she's building up to
Duncan: that.
Bo: So yeah, well, oh man, she does go nuclear
Bo: at a certain point for no reason, Like it's
Bo: a real.
Duncan: Well, this is what makes me think the
Duncan: nuclear option is a distraction.
Bo: Yeah, so anyway, she then kind of lays down
Bo: her cards about the connection between
Bo: Tuttle and Salel and Silver Sky.
Duncan: Yeah.
Duncan: And the insinuation that she's making is if
Duncan: you have an environmental you know
Duncan: geological survey team there, that's
Duncan: basically there to identify how pure the
Duncan: ice and the you know surrounding
Duncan: environment is, and it's owned by the same
Duncan: company that owns the mining company where
Duncan: the locals are saying the water has been
Duncan: poisoned.
Duncan: Maybe a conflict of interest?
Bo: Right.
Bo: And what happens, though, is McKittrick is
Bo: like hmm, that's interesting, I'll
Bo: certainly look into it, but you know, with
Bo: the company as big as ours, it you know,
Bo: there's no conflict of interest, because
Bo: one hand doesn't really know what the other
Bo: is doing.
Bo: Most of the time, anyway.
Duncan: So I would give money to lots of different.
Bo: Yeah, and it really diffuses like there's
Bo: no, nobody was like you found this, you
Bo: know, it was just like yeah, ok, so what?
Bo: And yeah like well, but that's wrong.
Duncan: Yeah, and they're like yeah.
Bo: And then this is where she pulls the
Bo: nuclear option.
Duncan: And I think this is so she can get out of
Duncan: there.
Duncan: Yeah, like, get out of there or not, can't?
Duncan: Let's just like like you can get out of
Duncan: here and I can't, let's just get out of
Duncan: here.
Duncan: So I think what she does, she pulls it,
Duncan: pulls the pendant and the grenade right in
Duncan: front of her.
Bo: Yeah, I'm sorry your husband's such a bad
Bo: lay.
Bo: And immediately Dr who is like what the
Bo: fuck are you doing?
Bo: Like he is shot, genuinely shocked, like
Bo: what the fuck it is such a great reaction
Bo: from Christopher Eccleston.
Bo: He is just like jaw dropped of like yeah it
Bo: never entered his head that something like
Bo: this would come out of her mouth.
Duncan: And interesting dynamics.
Duncan: In this one, he's a police officer.
Duncan: She's a police officer.
Duncan: Yeah, he's sitting on the other side of the
Duncan: table.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Duncan: Like they're interrogating her and that
Duncan: that would never fucking happen, which
Duncan: makes me wonder yeah, is she contributing
Duncan: to the upcoming mayoral campaign?
Bo: Yeah, or is he just a useful idiot, or you
Bo: know, I mean how many police officers are
Bo: in because we're about to get the reveal.
Duncan: We are moments away from the reveal of
Duncan: something I called right back in that first
Duncan: episode.
Duncan: But how many does she have in her back
Duncan: pocket?
Duncan: How many?
Duncan: How many does McKittridge and this mining
Duncan: company?
Duncan: How many police officers do they have?
Duncan: Because he's not even based in that time.
Duncan: He's based in Anchorage.
Bo: So yeah, I mean.
Bo: The only reason he is there, as a matter of
Bo: fact, is because of what's going on with
Bo: Silver Sky.
Duncan: Yeah so.
Bo: I mean he had like again, he had exiled her
Bo: is the way they put it, danvers?
Duncan: Yes.
Bo: So this is an ass out in the middle of
Bo: nowhere place and not a place you would
Bo: expect him to come, unless he is there to
Bo: come.
Duncan: Yes.
Bo: Or deal with McKittrick, but anyway.
Bo: So when, when McKittrick leaves, jody
Bo: Foster still seems to think that he is kind
Bo: of on her side.
Duncan: She's.
Duncan: She's about to find out very, very quickly
Duncan: that that's not the case.
Bo: Right?
Bo: Well, because she's like impassionedly
Bo: telling him look, this cave is where Annie
Bo: Kay was murdered.
Bo: The two cases are linked, the stuff with.
Bo: You know, salal and Annie Kay, all of this
Bo: is the same thing.
Bo: We just got to figure it out.
Bo: And then Dr who is like so what about the
Bo: Wheeler case?
Duncan: Yeah, when were you going to tell me about
Duncan: this?
Bo: Right, this suicide, this supposed suicide,
Bo: and there was no suicide was there.
Bo: And she's like, where did this come from?
Bo: And then he's like, look, the case is
Bo: closed, be smart for once and just go home
Bo: to your daughter and and so all she fucks.
Duncan: Yeah Well, this is, this is his, this is
Duncan: him trying to pull the nuclear option.
Duncan: But once again, like we know where this
Duncan: goes, which makes me Like she she kind of
Duncan: plays this out to, to narrow it down, what
Duncan: this information could only have come from
Duncan: One place, right, yes, so she.
Duncan: She walks us out once again to Danverscray
Duncan: that she's like ruthlessly smart.
Duncan: Even even the explanation of what happens
Duncan: in the Wheeler case is ruthlessly fucking
Duncan: smart.
Duncan: It just took it like Ace Cop, who his wife
Duncan: had flung him at the house to crack it and
Duncan: but like was one of the assumptions we had
Duncan: made, was one of the assumptions we had
Duncan: made was that essentially, hank knew right
Duncan: and had covered up.
Duncan: What we will find out is Hank didn't
Duncan: actually know, but Hank is what's the word
Duncan: she uses Not as stupid, as he acts Right
Duncan: and and has done something that is
Duncan: basically giving him the leverage that he
Duncan: needs to fuck with Danvers.
Bo: Right.
Bo: Well, and that is the next thing where
Bo: McKittrick and Hawks are meeting kind of in
Bo: her car out in the middle.
Bo: Yes one presumes, nowhere Like this is real
Bo: secret, clandestine meeting stuff.
Bo: And McKittrick says like Danvers is not
Bo: letting this go and she cannot find that
Bo: cave and Heiss can't take her there, do you?
Duncan: understand what I mean Like.
Bo: I'm going to press and you say I will take
Bo: care of this.
Duncan: The thing is.
Duncan: The thing is I like she.
Duncan: There's a great, great part of this
Duncan: interaction where you get the feeling that
Duncan: McKittrick doesn't really know.
Duncan: It's not that she doesn't know what she's
Duncan: asking, she just doesn't understand the
Duncan: logistics of what she's asking.
Duncan: Because, like, he's like that I can't, just,
Duncan: I can't just kill a guy.
Duncan: Like I, just like I can't, like, I can't,
Duncan: just I can't just do that.
Duncan: And she's like well, he's a drug addict,
Duncan: maybe he has an accident, you know, like he
Duncan: gets lost, right, yeah, maybe, maybe he
Duncan: gets lost.
Duncan: These things happen all the time.
Duncan: And he's like and he's like, listen, you
Duncan: know, isn't like we paid you a lot of money
Duncan: that time that you did that thing for us?
Duncan: And he's like listen, I haven't, there is
Duncan: no money left.
Duncan: There is, I haven't paid him enough and
Duncan: there are none of it left, which, like I
Duncan: say, makes me think he's spent all on these
Duncan: catfish.
Duncan: Russian bride.
Bo: And he was supposed to be chief of police.
Duncan: That was the bar that was part of the deal
Duncan: as well.
Duncan: And, of course, like Mckitry says, how was
Duncan: I supposed to know that Dan versus was
Duncan: going to be, you know like essentially cast
Duncan: out and ostracized up here how?
Duncan: There's no way I would have ever known that.
Duncan: But it falls into that play of, like I
Duncan: mentioned right at the start, why did he
Duncan: have the Annie Kay case files in his house?
Duncan: Right, it's because he's doing the mines
Duncan: that we also said that we felt that he
Duncan: probably wanted that job or had had that
Duncan: job.
Duncan: No, he pretty much had that job.
Duncan: And they said full support of the mine.
Duncan: You basically tidy up for them or look in
Duncan: the other way all the way through.
Duncan: And, yeah, mckitry basically said you know,
Duncan: go forth, get any.
Duncan: So I don't even know where he is and he's
Duncan: like that, well, followed, ambers.
Duncan: I mean like I have to do your job for you
Duncan: as well.
Duncan: Do I physically have to do this for you?
Duncan: Well, that follower, she'll take you to him
Duncan: and then sort this out, which will come
Duncan: into effect at the end of this episode,
Duncan: which I have some strong takes on the end
Duncan: of this episode.
Duncan: Oh, I'm interested to see if we read the
Duncan: room the same way.
Bo: All right, yeah, but one of my favorite
Bo: moments in this whole back and forth with
Bo: Hawks and Mckitryk is when he's like look,
Bo: I've never killed anybody.
True Detective: And she's like whoa who said anything?
Bo: about killing.
Duncan: I didn't say anything.
Duncan: I didn't say anything.
Duncan: I never said it, you never heard it.
True Detective: I never said it you never heard it.
Duncan: So it's like whoa sir.
Duncan: It's going to be percussive noises with my
Duncan: mouth.
Bo: We cut over to Navarro, who has some
Bo: Japanese horror movie ghost hair, her
Bo: washing machine at the laundromat, which is
Bo: unfortunate.
Duncan: I hate when that happens as terrible, you
Duncan: know, you pull in here, you pull in here,
Duncan: and then all of a sudden Sadako comes out.
Bo: Oh, what is this little kid meowing at me?
Bo: For Jeez, I've got company coming over.
Duncan: Did I buy a grudge house?
Bo: Yeah, Tired of all your grudge ghosts.
Bo: There has to be a better way.
Bo: As soon as you cross the threshold, you are
Bo: damned for all eternity.
Bo: But that doesn't mean your guests have to
Bo: be.
Bo: Keep those spooks at a respectable distance
Bo: with grudge away, grudge away.
Bo: Take it from, take it from this user.
Bo: Yeah, that is one freaky kid.
Bo: Anyway, so while she's dealing with grudge
Bo: here in the laundromat, a cavick finds her
Bo: along with his pal and he's like hey, this
Bo: buddy of mine can identify that spiral on
Bo: the stone.
Bo: Yeah, the school that you left at my house
Bo: and she's like no shit, let's have it.
Bo: And all of true detective was like no shit,
Bo: let's have it.
Bo: And he's like, oh, it's a marker that
Bo: hunters used for places where the ice will
Bo: swallow you whole.
Bo: And also, you know, he reveals that people
Bo: in the area have referred to those ice
Bo: caves as the night country.
Duncan: Yes, and so interesting.
Duncan: Interesting theory online about the spirals
Duncan: is that the spirals and true detective go
Duncan: the other way.
Duncan: So the the the insinuation is the spirals
Duncan: and true detective that go the other way
Duncan: are about ascension and the spirals that
Duncan: are in this one that go the opposite way
Duncan: are about descending.
Bo: Hmm, okay, all right, or one is war a
Bo: warning, the other an invitation.
Duncan: Hmm, I love it, I love it.
Duncan: How very lovecraftian of you, bro, I know.
Bo: So Navarro bus in to tell Liz about this
Bo: and Navarro is very excited where she's
Bo: like look, look, we've cracked a case.
Bo: We, they call the caves the night country.
Bo: We can crack down into them from above and
Bo: the whole time, danvers is like it's over.
Bo: It's over Dr, like we're being shut down
Bo: and go on now Go on.
Duncan: Go on.
Bo: And Navarro is like fuck that, no, we'll do
Bo: it anyway.
Bo: And finally Danvers is like doctor, who
Bo: knows about Wheeler, yeah.
Bo: And she's like, oh huh, you know what?
Bo: Fuck that, who cares?
Bo: Let's get down there anyway and we can find
Bo: DNA and whatever.
Bo: We got to go.
Bo: This is our time, this is the time to do
Bo: this.
Bo: We got a strike.
Bo: And Danvers is like just refuses to, as
Bo: just like go home, we're done.
Bo: And Navarro very pointedly says, all right,
Bo: well then, annie K is yours now.
Bo: You get to carry that burden.
Bo: So you're leaving her alone down in that
Bo: cave in the dark, and she's yours now.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: And all off.
Bo: Navarro goes to.
Bo: By the way, let Lee out, that's her.
Duncan: Yeah, I'm going to stick at the Danvers
Duncan: here and she lets me out.
Bo: And Lee asked did Liz tell you to do this?
Bo: And she said fuck this yeah.
Bo: All right All right, I'm going to look
Bo: whatever.
Bo: Whatever gets me out of here, I'm down.
Duncan: Yeah, whatever gets me out.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: I'm going to get short or tease if I walk
Duncan: out this police station.
Bo: And Danvers sees her but just doesn't say
Bo: anything.
Bo: She just, she just lets it go from that
Bo: point.
Bo: But Hawks, meanwhile, is like what was that
Bo: all around, all about Pete?
Bo: And Pete's like, oh, you know, family shit.
Bo: And then he tells the story Hawks does of
Bo: Pete being a little kid and playing on the
Bo: ice and falling into it and this whole
Bo: thing where he was, like you know, the
Bo: current was pulling you so I had to get
Bo: ahead of you and bash through the ice and
Bo: grab you and I almost missed.
Bo: But you know, we got you out of there and I
Bo: got you into my car and I knew I just had
Bo: to keep you awake.
Bo: So I just kept talking to you and all the
Bo: way to the hospital, huh, family stuff,
Bo: right.
Bo: And Pete's like yeah, and then off he goes
Bo: and it's like, oh, that's dramatic.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: Someone's making it out of this episode.
Duncan: It's a very See, I look.
Duncan: I look at this as pure manipulation.
Duncan: What Hawks is not as silly as you think I
Duncan: think right to the very end.
Duncan: Here he is in film manipulation.
Bo: Oh, you think he's really.
Duncan: I think it's no, there are a couple of
Duncan: moments.
Bo: I feel like this is sort of like his last
Bo: moment, where it's just like things are
Bo: going bad.
Bo: But let me at least try to make an effort.
Duncan: He is no, no, no, no, I think there is.
Duncan: He like he is easy, easy, nasty piece of
Duncan: work.
Duncan: He forces his son to kill him, like see, if
Duncan: you go back and check that scene, his
Duncan: finger is not on the trigger.
Duncan: His finger is not on the trigger when he
Duncan: lifts that gun up to Danvers so he forces
Duncan: his kid to shoot him.
Duncan: I knew that part.
Duncan: Yeah, right, so he is.
Duncan: He is.
Duncan: Basically he's leaving his kid with that to
Duncan: deal with.
True Detective: Oh yeah.
Duncan: Like so he's not.
Duncan: He is not a good guy you can talk about.
Duncan: Like let's talk about this nice memory,
Duncan: about that time I saved your life, Like
Duncan: moments before I traumatized your life for
Duncan: the rest of your existence.
Bo: It's a fucking horrible thing to do, Well
Bo: this is a miserable piece of shit, not
Bo: defending Hawks at all as a good person.
Bo: But, as we've seen, like characters on this
Bo: show, like bad people, have good moments
Bo: and good people have bad moments and stuff.
Bo: So I felt like this was like a moment of
Bo: nostalgia for him.
Duncan: Yeah, there was also that I don't like.
Duncan: Part of me feels like there's this is kind
Duncan: of seven, two purposes.
Duncan: It's when, when crunch time comes, will you
Duncan: hold on to that time that I saved your life
Duncan: or will you need your help, and so I need
Duncan: to remind you.
Duncan: Yeah, because it comes out like like why
Duncan: would that, like that's such a weird
Duncan: conversation to have at that moment.
Duncan: You know what I mean?
Bo: Yeah yeah, you're right.
Duncan: Well, like, yeah, I like all the way
Duncan: through, like from the moment he started
Duncan: singing the blues, I was like this man's a
Duncan: bad man.
Bo: All right, I'm coming around, ok.
Bo: So then we go to Navarro, who is Rose.
Bo: Has like cut through the ice way up in the
Bo: middle of nowhere, so that Navarro can rose,
Bo: who is a real person.
Duncan: Yes, yes who exists, it exists, it's kind
Duncan: of a whole nice.
Bo: Yeah, and so that Navarro can put Julie's
Bo: ashes into the water and give her back to
Bo: the sea.
Bo: She says which is really, you know, kind of
Bo: a sweet thing to say and Rose is like, hey,
Bo: hurry up out here, because the weather is
Bo: going to shit.
Bo: They're saying it's going to be a category
Bo: for whatever that is.
Duncan: Yeah, I can't agree for for boating storm
Duncan: is coming in.
Duncan: Yes, hope that won't have any impact on the
Duncan: next episode.
Bo: And all right.
Bo: So her light starts flickering.
Bo: Yes, navarro does, after Rose is walking
Bo: away and she hears somebody calling her
Bo: name and it's a voice saying listen.
Bo: And she starts to follow and has this like
Bo: flash of the desert for a second I've like
Bo: she goes back to the combat zone from the
Bo: first episode.
Bo: Yeah, from that, like the girl who
Bo: whispered to her that had to have her the
Bo: head blown off, was like Gus from Breaking
Bo: bad.
Bo: And and then she flashes back and she's
Bo: back in the present, but she is on super
Bo: thin ice, which means Duncan.
Bo: The ice is going to break, right.
Bo: And so she has to get on her belly, and
Bo: rose does too, and kind of like, get, get
Bo: wide, yeah, so that you stand less of a
Bo: chance to go through.
Bo: And rose finally, like throw something out
Bo: to her and brings her back.
Bo: And Rose is like why didn't you hear me
Bo: calling your name?
Bo: Yeah, what were you doing?
Bo: And she's just you know, I don't know.
Duncan: Navarro listens to the ghosts that are
Duncan: trying to take her with her.
Duncan: This is what I'm saying.
Duncan: I don't think she's getting out the next
Duncan: episode, but I think she's no long for this
Duncan: world.
Bo: See, I think that's the bend of her
Bo: characters.
Bo: She's been like on that journey Right.
Bo: I think she she finds redemption and
Bo: Danvers finds.
Bo: You know like like the way that she can
Bo: help people in her demise.
Bo: You know like where she can do the most
Bo: good.
Bo: Oh, right so but anyway, we'll talk about
Bo: speculation in a minute.
Bo: So but Danvers shows up at the priors and
Bo: asked to see Leah and I originally.
Duncan: Just like, once again, she owns how she's
Duncan: boxing or having a bath.
Bo: Absolutely, and they're talking while she's
Bo: in the bath and she's in the bath and
Bo: Danvers very sweetly, I think, is like
Bo: please come home for new years, come on,
Bo: come on, come on, now Go on now.
Duncan: And Leah doesn't agree per se, but as she's
Duncan: leaving, she has the most pain line I've
Duncan: ever heard a kid say ever.
Bo: Yeah.
Bo: And she says Liz, you know, I haven't given
Bo: up on you.
Bo: And Liz doesn't say anything and she just
Bo: leaves.
Bo: So Danvers takes off.
Bo: We see that Hawks is now following her.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: Which is not very good at either, like he's,
Duncan: like the one, because, like Danvers, heads
Duncan: straight to police station so she can score
Duncan: some of that capital.
Duncan: H, no, no no, she doesn't.
Bo: She first goes to the morgue, she goes to
Bo: the morgue.
Duncan: Yeah.
Duncan: So Leah basically told her in that
Duncan: conversation do you know, like I bad water?
Duncan: She's like I know about the fucking water
Duncan: and she's like do you know about the still
Duncan: person?
Duncan: She's like, yeah, I know about the still
Duncan: person.
Duncan: She's like nine in the last month and she's
Duncan: like nine, like, yeah, nine stillborn
Duncan: babies, nine times.
Duncan: Yeah, nine times in the last month and you
Duncan: have done nothing.
Duncan: Yeah, so she makes a move to the morgue.
Duncan: I've kind of dramatic seen here.
Duncan: She goes in, basically what you find that
Duncan: is because the ground is so frozen like the
Duncan: bodies are just in coffins and storage
Duncan: Because they can't dig holes in the ground.
Duncan: So she goes in.
Duncan: She sees like all these tiny little coffins
Duncan: and it really affects her, like you can see
Duncan: her getting like because this but this is
Duncan: like, while she is like, while she's
Duncan: fucking fumbling around with these cases
Duncan: and trying to like like deal with all the
Duncan: bullshit that she's happening, there is a
Duncan: legitimate crime happening here that the
Duncan: police is not investigating because it, you
Duncan: know, it's hard to prove.
Duncan: You know, like all this stuff that you know
Duncan: that the right that the law should be taken
Duncan: care of, all this stuff, that big
Duncan: corporations and it's the theme all the way
Duncan: through true detective from the first
Duncan: fucking season, that is the abuse of people,
Duncan: of power, money and wealth to just make
Duncan: problems disappear.
Duncan: And I mean it's in my eyes.
Duncan: It's inevitable now that a theory, a kind
Duncan: of partial theory that I floated in our
Duncan: third episode is Annie Kay was
Duncan: investigating the stillborn you know
Duncan: stillborn babies related to the mind, you
Duncan: know like.
Duncan: Struck up a friendship with the guy at the
Duncan: Salal station, probably found out they were
Duncan: being funded by the same people, ended up
Duncan: in this cave, came across some sort of
Duncan: evidence and was murdered for it.
Bo: Yeah, I think all of that feels right, yeah,
Bo: so anyway, that will like think about why
Bo: take your tongue.
Duncan: I think he took her tongue.
Duncan: Hox, did no.
Duncan: I think the crazy guy at the station took
Duncan: her tongue.
Duncan: Oh, clark, I think he took her tongue
Duncan: because he felt guilty about what happened
Duncan: and he took that as a kind of partial
Duncan: souvenir.
Bo: I think that's or if it's the like, going
Bo: back to the she's awake stuff, if you've
Bo: been having visions of her because of his
Bo: guilt and this is a way for her, to get her
Bo: to stop talking to him.
Duncan: Possibly.
Duncan: Yeah, there's that.
Duncan: Yeah, I think he had.
Duncan: I think he had it and I think that's why we
Duncan: found that at the station.
Duncan: I think, when we find out what happened, I
Duncan: think he went crazy, probably through guilt.
Duncan: And you know, this is what we fucking did
Duncan: to her.
Duncan: I've got a fucking tongue which was frozen
Duncan: in her station for God knows how long, and
Duncan: that's what happened, I think.
Duncan: So I mean, that's what was going on with
Duncan: the tongue.
Bo: And so all right.
Duncan: So after Liz checks out the stillborn
Duncan: babies and that that probably she pulls a
Duncan: McConaughey from season one of true
Duncan: detective and that instead of going in for
Duncan: a big bag of cocaine, she goes in and she
Duncan: removes heroin from the from the evidence.
Duncan: From when she comes out she bumps right in
Duncan: the John Hawks who's just standing there.
Duncan: In the worst, I will follow you.
Duncan: I'm tailing a suspect.
Duncan: Yeah, like, just like.
Duncan: And it's awkward and it's fumbly, and she's
Duncan: like walks right up to him, she gets in his
Duncan: face and she's like like, what did you say
Duncan: about the wheeler case?
Duncan: And he's like the To Dr who.
Bo: Like you, I know you talked to Dr who.
Bo: You told him all about yeah.
Duncan: Yeah, she grabs Pete and takes Pete into
Duncan: the room and then we get like maybe the
Duncan: most intense like ask the right question
Duncan: session we've had in this entire series.
Duncan: And this is where you really find that Pete
Duncan: is a fucking great cop Because you wouldn't
Duncan: let go.
Duncan: She basically she says start asking
Duncan: questions.
Duncan: And he's like that Well, you know what
Duncan: happened.
Duncan: And he's like wrong question.
Duncan: Well yeah, I asked the right question and
Duncan: he's like well, did you maybe like just
Duncan: like wrong question?
Duncan: He doesn't even get the full question out.
Duncan: It's like and she's like wrong question,
Duncan: Did you wrong question, like this, and
Duncan: basically he finally hits on the right
Duncan: question, which is you remember what the
Duncan: right question is?
Bo: Did you know, wheeler was left handed.
Duncan: There we go and she's like, huh, right, and
Duncan: then we get his rationale behind it,
Duncan: basically what we the way I interpret this.
Duncan: I'm interested in if you interpret
Duncan: different.
Duncan: The way I interpret this is the.
Duncan: They've been called out there several times
Duncan: and hadn't done anything.
Duncan: Right, there'd been a lot of an action.
Duncan: Is what he's saying from the evidence here.
Duncan: The reason, like the, the hadn't done
Duncan: anything is because she was prone to hurt
Duncan: herself, or did I pick that up wrong?
Bo: Yeah, it's a little confusing because they
Bo: get it.
Bo: Pete gets into this all this business about
Bo: how the pictures were flipped.
Duncan: Yes, yeah, I got that.
Duncan: So basically what they were saying is, like
Duncan: you said, that he shot himself, but he shot
Duncan: her Right, but he couldn't have shot her
Duncan: because Wheeler was left handed and I found
Duncan: out, like the way, like the way her bruises
Duncan: were and all the subsequent like case
Duncan: pictures before they all came from the
Duncan: opposite side, so, like, almost like she'd
Duncan: hit herself.
Duncan: So you know, I then checked the picture, I
Duncan: went back and checked her yearbook photo
Duncan: and the, the, the, the crime scene photos
Duncan: that you have of her dead.
Duncan: The birthmark is on the wrong side.
Duncan: If she had shot, if she, like she, had been
Duncan: shot, you know it would make sense.
Duncan: But she killed herself, as how I
Duncan: interpreted it, she committed suicide.
Bo: Right, and so they leapt to the wrong
Bo: conclusion.
Duncan: They killed him and what they then saw,
Duncan: what I think Navarro Short thingy.
Duncan: And then I think Danvers yeah, I think
Duncan: Danvers put together and then falsified
Duncan: evidence to get Navarro out.
Duncan: Yeah, ok, all right, I mean I'm on board
Duncan: with that, which is also why I don't think
Duncan: Danvers is going to die in the next episode.
Duncan: I think Danvers is going to take the fall
Duncan: for it in the next episode.
Duncan: I think that's the sort of thing that's
Duncan: going to come up.
Duncan: I think there's going to be like Pete knows
Duncan: about that, she knows about that.
Duncan: It's clearly, it clearly weighs on her and
Duncan: I think she will confess that at the end.
Duncan: Plus fucking, what's his tips?
Duncan: Knows about it Doctor who.
Duncan: And he's not going to go away on that one.
Duncan: He's ultimately, regardless what comes out,
Duncan: the women in the mind is not going to take
Duncan: the fall, but Mckitridge is going to be
Duncan: safe because it's true detective and no one
Duncan: at the top ever takes the fall, it's all
Duncan: the people below.
Duncan: So I think it follows.
Duncan: It follows a thread.
Duncan: She will take the fall at the end of this.
Bo: OK, I'm with you.
Bo: I mean, I think somebody, I think you're
Bo: right.
Bo: I don't think this is the season where
Bo: suddenly, true detective ends with the good
Bo: guys winning an unquestionable victory.
Duncan: Yeah Well, even season one they hadn't
Duncan: really won, like they survived.
Duncan: They survived that bout, but there was an
Duncan: international pedophile fucking like scheme
Duncan: out there.
Duncan: They just managed to close the chapter that
Duncan: was on their doorstep, right, they didn't
Duncan: Well, they didn't stop.
Duncan: At season two, everyone died, except
Duncan: fucking Rachel McAdams who, like pretty
Duncan: much died.
Duncan: But everyone else died.
Duncan: The guy from John Carter of Marseille
Duncan: fucking perished horribly, and Vince Vaughn
Duncan: died bleeding out in the fucking desert and
Duncan: Conferral couldn't even text his son to
Duncan: tell me he loved him.
Duncan: He got fucking shot in some woods.
Duncan: And then in season three there's that
Duncan: insinuation that, as happy as that ending
Duncan: is, it might not be everything that
Duncan: happened.
Duncan: So, so like none of them have happy endings.
Duncan: So, I like I don't think he's a Lopez Like
Duncan: he's gonna like come in here and be like.
Duncan: You know what I'm going to give it the
Duncan: Disney ending.
Bo: Well, because, notoriously, tigers are not
Bo: afraid.
Bo: One of the happiest endings ever it doesn't?
Duncan: It's another one Like.
Duncan: I sat in a cinema with grown men balling
Duncan: their fucking eyes out watching the end of
Duncan: that movie.
Bo: Sure, yeah, that's one of them.
Bo: I did not my eyes out at the end of the day.
Duncan: One single solitary bit of moisture in my
Duncan: tear ducts when that movie finished,
Duncan: because I have a heart of stone.
Bo: Yeah, because, yeah you, there's something
Bo: broken inside you, it is.
Bo: That is not a badge of honor.
Duncan: That is my daughter, was recently a slight
Duncan: aside.
Duncan: There was a relatively emotional advert
Duncan: that was on the telly and my wife cries
Duncan: Everything and we're sitting on the couch
Duncan: and I kind of looked around and I was like,
Duncan: oh, when I was like, here come the
Duncan: waterworks, and she's like it's my mom
Duncan: crying.
Duncan: And she's like, yeah, I'm crying, I was
Duncan: like your mom cries everything, and she
Duncan: turned around and she's like that's because
Duncan: I'm not an emotionalist monster Like you.
Bo: No, it falls Frankie.
Duncan: I was like could I write in the button
Duncan: there?
Duncan: She called it, she saw it and she's right.
Duncan: I'm not to the thought, but yeah, like this.
Duncan: So I can't remember how we were related,
Duncan: but yeah, I think I think ultimately is he
Duncan: gonna have a happy.
Duncan: I think Danvers will take the fall at the
Duncan: end.
Bo: Okay, all right.
Duncan: I was gonna die just for chicks and girls.
Bo: Um, yeah, well, you know how I feel about
Bo: this.
True Detective: All right.
Duncan: So, anyway, uh, so, um, so, like you.
Duncan: Basically, she explains all of the P and
Duncan: pizza about to push forward and she's like
Duncan: that you know this conversation is now
Duncan: closed.
Duncan: And she's like oh, by the way, the password
Duncan: on your, your laptop I'm guessing it's this
Duncan: because your dad's been access now because
Duncan: you've been staying with them and he's been
Duncan: going through your computer to dig up dirt
Duncan: on me, because I told you before he may,
Duncan: actually, but he is not.
Bo: Mm, hmm, it the.
Bo: The one thing in this whole episode that I
Bo: felt like a bad note to me was, uh, this
Bo: bit with the password, because it's like,
Bo: well, we've established that Pete is kind
Bo: of somewhat tech savvy.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: And using his kids birthday is the most
Bo: obvious password in the world.
Bo: So why on earth would somebody who knew at
Bo: least a little something about this use
Bo: such a terrible password?
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: I mean it's, it's fine.
Bo: At the end of the day, it's not that big a
Bo: deal.
Bo: But it felt like not Pete, you know, like
Bo: Pete would be.
Bo: If he's the one that they hand a phone to
Bo: him like figure this out and hack it and
Bo: get it working again, then he would know to
Bo: not have you would think, but then
Bo: sometimes people are really lazy with our
Bo: computers.
Bo: Maybe, but what she does say to him is as
Bo: smart as you are, Pete you you haven't get
Bo: learned when to stop asking questions to
Bo: her.
Bo: And anyway.
Bo: So then she gives them a key, because of
Bo: course she does.
Duncan: Yeah, and it says listen, you can't stay
Duncan: with your dad anymore, like, and I know
Duncan: that you can't stay in my house because
Duncan: divorce.
Duncan: However, there is the shed out the back and
Duncan: you're welcome to stay there as long as you
Duncan: want, but get out of that house and get
Duncan: away from your dad, and I don't have to see
Duncan: you.
Bo: You don't have to see me Like you are.
Bo: You have your own space, even though it's
Bo: just like this.
Duncan: And this totally sets up the end.
Duncan: It's so fucking good.
Duncan: It's still good.
Bo: So she takes off.
Bo: Then Hux comes over to Pete.
Bo: I was like hey, what was all that about?
Bo: Bookeroo, my boy?
True Detective: Remember that to my diligent from the ace.
Duncan: You always died.
Duncan: Is everything okay yeah?
Bo: And Pete's like don't fucking touch me and
Bo: you know, get out of here, I don't want to
Bo: see you.
Bo: And so Hawks was like what do I do?
Bo: And then leaves.
Bo: He's always like John Hawks in this, not in
Bo: everything.
Duncan: He's fucking excellent.
Bo: He's great and and that kind of dopey, like
Bo: what you know, like that look that he he
Bo: throws at Pete is, and I think you're right.
Bo: I think that, in particular, is really
Bo: manipulative.
Bo: Yeah, but he's all built up.
Duncan: Like cause he doesn't know.
Duncan: This is the key to what is going to happen
Duncan: at the end of this episode is he does not
Duncan: know that Danvers has given them a key to
Duncan: stay in the back cabin.
Duncan: Because if he did know that, if this
Duncan: conversation had went differently and he
Duncan: found out that information, there is
Duncan: absolutely no way that Hank pulls what he's
Duncan: about to pull at Danvers house.
Bo: A hundred percent.
Bo: So we do have a moment where Navarro shows
Bo: up at Cavex and I like the fact that he's
Bo: the little spoon when she gets into bed
Bo: with him and like I dig that I, you know,
Bo: as a six foot plus tall man, I don't know
Bo: if I've ever been the little spoon, and I
Bo: feel like I should have been at some point.
Duncan: There is a there is a very, very, very
Duncan: funny theory about this particular scene
Duncan: and that Kavik, whose name apparently is I
Duncan: think it's in you for wolf.
Bo: Okay, yeah, cause.
Bo: Yeah, there's a book called Kavik the wolf
Bo: dog.
Bo: I remember reading when I was a kid and
Bo: he's reading.
Duncan: Did you see what he was reading?
Duncan: He's reading any sand.
Duncan: He's reading.
Duncan: Who's afraid of Virginia wolf?
Bo: Oh, that's fun.
Duncan: Right, the play, but apparently like a
Duncan: whole fucking, like, mega, mega, mega mega
Duncan: thread or read it about this.
Duncan: I've never seen the play.
Duncan: But who who's afraid of Virginia wolf is
Duncan: the story of a couple who pretend that they
Duncan: have a child and when they're confronted
Duncan: about it they claim that the child died in
Duncan: a car accident.
Duncan: And there was assumptions that, like you're
Duncan: doing the feast, I was doing that, I was
Duncan: like that.
Duncan: But we know that like holding as a real
Duncan: person, because he's been referenced in
Duncan: this show and I think this is just as a
Duncan: Lopez having some fun, which I kind of love
Duncan: it.
Duncan: She's like you know what.
Duncan: I'm just going to put this in here because
Duncan: I know how the internet works and people
Duncan: are going to look into this a little
Duncan: further than they necessarily should.
Duncan: Or maybe even like hey, here's this guy who
Duncan: sort of belongs in the area and he's like
Duncan: at peace in this land, and well, also like
Duncan: the fact that it tells a story about a very
Duncan: kind of a dysfunctional couple, and that
Duncan: could be Navarro and Kavac.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, I mean you may not have to read
Bo: too deeply into this.
Duncan: Yeah, I would read deeply at all and I just
Duncan: think it's, I just think it's fun that the
Duncan: other someone spent a long time, good, and
Duncan: I just cracked it, eureka, with one of
Duncan: those like beautiful mind yarn.
Bo: You got a red wave on the wall.
Bo: Yeah Well, kavac is actually the name of a
Bo: wolf and wolves, as we know, or furry
Bo: furries, as we know, go to conventions.
Bo: Ah, this all ends at a convention.
Bo: So, anyway.
Bo: But Danvers goes to the lighthouse to get
Bo: Heis out of there and of course she has a
Bo: little bit of yellow Conja, clean burning
Bo: propane in her pocket and she gets about
Bo: there.
Bo: It's like we're going back to my place, Dr
Bo: Hiss, and he's like, well, give me the
Bo: heroine.
Bo: She's like no, I'm not stupid, you don't
Bo: get that yet.
Bo: And so she calls Navarro to say to me to
Bo: tell Navarro to meet Danvers at her place.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: And that she's got eyes that heist and
Bo: they're going to go to the ice caves.
Bo: And if I was like I thought we were out of
Bo: this, just like, yeah, well, things change,
Bo: so get to my place.
Bo: And so Navarro is like, tells Kavac like
Bo: hey, I got to go, and heist, like one of
Bo: the things that Danvers makes high show her
Bo: is like show me the place we're going, yeah,
Bo: and so I give you this bagging you go to
Bo: the back, just in case you don't survive
Bo: the next five minutes, Right In case you
Bo: pop your last balloon like Sam Stone from
Bo: that John Prine song.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: But there's also the part like he is about
Duncan: to like shoot up drugs as well.
Duncan: So there is obviously a chance to get my OD
Duncan: with that as well.
Bo: So just give me the information first,
Bo: right, and so Navarro's on her way and we
Bo: get a weird moment where a little kid stops
Bo: in the middle of the street and points at
Bo: her like all the ghosts have done and we
Bo: get some crashes of that.
Bo: And then his mom is like quit being creepy.
Duncan: Come on, we got to go home.
Duncan: Yeah, you're a real child and not like a
Duncan: ghost.
Bo: Yeah, you're not a Grudge baby.
Bo: We have Grudge away.
Duncan: We have Grudge away.
Duncan: We pay our subscription Right, I'm paid up
Duncan: through January.
Duncan: I mean we're fine, it's nice.
Bo: It's just a thing you plug into the wallet
Bo: since out a little signal or whatever, and
Bo: the ghosts hate it.
Bo: It's the same.
Bo: It just plays over and over again.
Bo: There's like two notes that Binkman plays
Bo: when he goes to Dana Barrett's apartment.
Bo: I was like I hate this and it turns out he
Bo: was right.
Bo: They do hate that.
Bo: It's a long way to go for that joke.
Bo: Anyway so Danvers is at her place, here's a
Bo: car door open and thinks it's Navarro and
Bo: in fact goes to the door and is kind of
Bo: opening it and in walks John Hawks.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And he's like hey, I'm sorry to bother you
Bo: and everything, but you know a doctor who
Bo: called me and told me to bring Otis Heisen,
Bo: and she's like how did you know he was here?
Bo: He's like oh, he's here.
Duncan: I just came to ask you.
Duncan: I didn't know that.
Bo: I just thought maybe.
Bo: But now that I know that you know, come
Bo: with me, Otis, because Otis Heisen has come
Bo: out and Danvers immediately steps between
Bo: them.
Bo: It's like how about I give him a call Cause?
Bo: This all seems real, fucking weird.
Duncan: Yeah, I think like my.
Duncan: My theory on this is this is a two far for
Duncan: him.
Bo: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Duncan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Duncan: yeah, yeah, yeah, and like getting
Duncan: everything they ever wanted.
Duncan: And he would have got away with it too.
Duncan: But if it hadn't been for that peat in the
Duncan: shed?
Bo: So, danvers, I like the fact that the whole
Bo: time she's like, whatever's going on, we
Bo: can fix it.
Bo: Okay, yeah, listen, dr Lecter, you don't
Bo: have to shoot anybody here?
Duncan: But Heis makes a break every day you will
Duncan: walk in the beach.
Duncan: You will have like supervised.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: Yeah, plum Island.
Duncan: Yeah, that's right.
Bo: John Hawks, you don't have to do this, you
Bo: will.
Bo: We'll have a view from yourself.
Bo: We'll get one hour on the beach, supervised,
Bo: of course.
Duncan: Plum Island.
Duncan: Was that you lovely touch?
Duncan: So yeah, he shoots Heis, who has made a
Duncan: break for it right in the head, right in
Duncan: the head, like so Heis ain't coming back,
Duncan: well, but he's still flopping around a
Duncan: little bit and Hawks goes over and puts
Duncan: another bullet in him to finish the job.
Duncan: Of course, those two gunshots are enough to
Duncan: start anyone in a shed out the back.
Bo: Of course yeah.
Duncan: So yeah, like he's standing over the body
Duncan: and then he kind of turns on Danvers with
Duncan: the gun and that's when Pete comes in and
Duncan: God bless Danvers.
Duncan: Like she is like literally to Pete, like
Duncan: she is like John Knowles got their behind,
Duncan: like she is like she's like that, think,
Duncan: like be smart.
Bo: Think about this, be smart about this.
Bo: Everybody needs to drop their guns.
Bo: This is like things are wildly spinning out
Bo: control here.
Bo: We can still fix this.
Duncan: I think, I think, even I think Danvers is
Duncan: even.
Duncan: There's a part of Danvers that's even
Duncan: resigned to the fact that if, if fucking
Duncan: Hank shoots her, pete can always arrest
Duncan: Hank.
Duncan: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean you do still
Duncan: get justice, still like she done some shit.
Duncan: You know, rest him that way.
Duncan: If you kill him, you can't take that back.
Duncan: You know you can't do that.
Duncan: And, of course, the ultimate I think at
Duncan: this point it all dawns on Hank how royally
Duncan: fucked everything is.
Bo: As soon as Pete walks in the door, he's
Bo: like I think he's resigned himself.
Bo: Yeah.
Duncan: I think he's resigned himself at that point
Duncan: of I either killer and he's on side with me,
Duncan: or he puts me down.
Bo: I I slightly disagree.
Bo: I think that there's a moment of optimism
Bo: and there's a there is a specific moment
Bo: where Pete or not Pete, but where Hank
Bo: knows he's fucked.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And it's, but so he keeps asking Pete to
Bo: help him.
True Detective: Yeah.
Bo: And I say, hey, look, the I know what this
Bo: looks like, but look, I just need you to
Bo: help me.
Bo: We got to get rid of this body Remember.
Duncan: I told you when you were freezing in the
Duncan: water right, I spoke to you all the way in
Duncan: the car.
Duncan: Remember?
Duncan: I told you that five minutes ago.
Bo: Yeah, and it's when he says something to
Bo: the effect of you don't want to do this,
Bo: and then he says, son and it's the moment
Bo: he says, son, that you see the look on
Bo: Pete's face change where it goes from.
Bo: I like this whole thing has gotten out of
Bo: control to oh how dare you call me that in
Bo: this moment where and it's the like it,
Bo: dennis.
Bo: It might as well be Dennis Hopper asking
Bo: for the cigarette and true romance, like,
Bo: like Hank knows he is done.
Bo: He knows he's about to die.
Duncan: I was.
Duncan: I'm glad you were going there.
Duncan: I was going with the guineast when she's
Duncan: like that, you know, like with a cradle,
Duncan: will fall, and he's like fall back.
Duncan: And she's like, oh, no, sloth, he's not.
Bo: You've been bad.
Duncan: It's how our brains work.
Duncan: Our brains just work different.
Duncan: But yeah, like he, I think he resigns
Duncan: himself.
Duncan: But this is this is what I said, this is
Duncan: what I mean before.
Duncan: He's either prepared to fully drag his son
Duncan: into committing a fucking heinous crime and
Duncan: putting down Danvers which he will have to
Duncan: live with for the rest of his life, or,
Duncan: alternatively, kill his own dad.
Duncan: Now I also want to stress as well I think,
Duncan: when there is a scenario here where Pete
Duncan: just hits him in the shoulder and Hank
Duncan: survives and he's arrested for what he's
Duncan: done, he didn't have to shoot him in the
Duncan: head Like just maybe a slight overreaction
Duncan: here, like he could have shot him in the
Duncan: arm, disarmed them and taken them in, but
Duncan: Pete chose violence.
Duncan: And you see it, though, hank lifts the gun,
Duncan: but his finger is not on the trigger.
Duncan: He's resigning themselves.
Duncan: The fact is going to get his.
Duncan: Is this suicide by cop?
Bo: Yeah, well, and he's, he like, prefaces all
Bo: this with.
Bo: Well, there's something that you should
Bo: know.
Duncan: Yeah.
Bo: And like he's going to unburden himself
Bo: right before this last moment.
Bo: He says there's something that that you
Bo: ought to know.
Bo: I didn't kill Annie Kay, I just moved the
Bo: body.
Bo: And then he says, pete, I always love you.
Bo: And then lifts the gun, yeah, and Pete
Bo: shoots him in the fucking head, yep.
Bo: And as soon as it happens, pete just kind
Bo: of squats down in position and Danvers like
Bo: goes over and it's very maternal, yeah, you
Bo: know.
Bo: It's just like, oh man, like you are fucked,
Bo: your head is so fucked right now.
Bo: And then Navarro shows up because of where
Bo: she does.
Duncan: But Navarro like looks at this situation
Duncan: very much the same way that I imagine they
Duncan: looked at this situation when we were shot.
Duncan: And because she's like right, we need to
Duncan: clean this up and get rid of the body right
Duncan: now.
Duncan: And so they basically kind of they, they
Duncan: parse out very quickly a plan of like Hank
Duncan: is just going to disappear, like yeah, like
Duncan: they're not going to find the body, they're
Duncan: going to find nothing.
Duncan: He's just not going to be here anymore.
Duncan: And Pete, you need to.
Duncan: Like you Danvers at first says that she's
Duncan: going to clean and then Pete's like no, I
Duncan: should clean, because he kind of snaps it a
Duncan: little bit and I don't know like there's.
Duncan: It's kind of like like that's going to
Duncan: disappear.
Duncan: But I think, like I said before, I think
Duncan: there's a reckoning coming on the Wheeler
Duncan: case.
Duncan: I think it kind of has to.
Duncan: There's too much now.
Duncan: No, I think as soon as Doctor who found out
Duncan: that information and you've got to think
Duncan: that McKintrick will know about that
Duncan: information at some point it's out there
Duncan: now and someone has to take the fall for
Duncan: that.
Duncan: I reckon it's going to be her.
Duncan: But, yeah, like we end this episode, bo,
Duncan: with Pete cleaning his father's blood from
Duncan: the ground and being told to take the body
Duncan: to Rose because Rose will know what to do.
Duncan: Once again, rose is a real person.
Duncan: Like I don't know how these people like
Duncan: that, clearly, because Pete's not like
Duncan: who's Rose, that old woman that died years
Duncan: ago.
Duncan: But yeah, take it, the Rose will help you
Duncan: get rid of the body.
Duncan: We finish this with Danvers and the Varo in
Duncan: the cop car racing off to the ice through a
Duncan: fucking snowstorm.
Duncan: Credits, mm, hmm, oh that great fucking
Duncan: episode.
Duncan: I go right fucking.
Bo: Really fun, really fun episode and we've
Bo: we've been mixing in some speculation along
Bo: the way, but yeah, but I, you know, I think
Bo: what happens is we go to the cave.
Duncan: I think we've been right about all of this,
Duncan: that Annie Kay was onto some environmental
Duncan: shenanigans, which has caused everybody to
Duncan: have these visions, and to see the dead in
Duncan: Annas, and yeah, and then it's just going
Duncan: to come, I think what is likely to be in
Duncan: the caves is evidence of whatever is in the
Duncan: water.
Bo: Yeah, just barrels of some shit or whatever,
Bo: yeah that's to me makes sense.
Duncan: Yeah, that's.
Duncan: She came across that she, like she found
Duncan: out through a relationship with what's his
Duncan: face and that the NS station is drilling
Duncan: boreholes and storing the toxic waste from
Duncan: as a front Interesting.
Bo: So if that is the scenario, though, let's
Bo: get to a couple of big questions.
Bo: Yeah, I think we'll see what or what or who
Bo: is the she's awake.
Duncan: I don't know.
Duncan: That's the one thing I do.
Duncan: It's the one thing I don't know.
Duncan: It's the one thing that doesn't make sense
Duncan: to me In my head.
Duncan: If the Salal Station is purely a front for
Duncan: this, then they have been helping dispose
Duncan: of the.
Duncan: I think those guys did die from a polar
Duncan: event or something.
Duncan: I think Crazy man went crazy inside the
Duncan: building for whatever reason.
Duncan: I think there was a power cut.
Duncan: I think they all went outside Maybe he
Duncan: chased them, I don't know and they froze to
Duncan: death and they were moved.
Duncan: I think the thing that doesn't make sense
Duncan: is the clothes, and I still think there's
Duncan: going to be, I think, to do with the
Duncan: cleaners on that one, but I don't think
Duncan: they were involved with the murder.
Duncan: Or, like the environmentalists, show up and
Duncan: do something, they sabotage the power
Duncan: supply to the building and they've worked
Duncan: it out.
Duncan: But I think the member I said before they
Duncan: took fingerprints way back.
Duncan: That's come to nothing but all those
Duncan: fingerprints.
Duncan: There was fingers missing on a cat.
Duncan: She appeared in this episode, by the way.
Duncan: She was in the London Matt when Cavick was
Duncan: there.
Duncan: Why is she back for like all of three
Duncan: seconds?
Duncan: She's in the background of this.
Duncan: I think she helps dispose of the bodies.
Duncan: Somehow, I think they take them away from
Duncan: wherever they are to somewhere else and
Duncan: leave them out there.
Duncan: I don't think that's that's not the mystery.
Duncan: I think the mystery still is what happened
Duncan: to Annie Kay, and I think that's ultimately
Duncan: what we're going to find is, you know, she
Duncan: went down there.
Duncan: She was discovered, maybe by the Salal folk.
Duncan: I think they probably killed her.
Duncan: I think it kind of destroyed the brain of
Duncan: her boyfriend, who became more ostracised
Duncan: in there.
Duncan: Maybe there's a confession to someone about
Duncan: it.
Duncan: I don't know that we haven't seen yet.
Duncan: And yeah, the you know people have taken
Duncan: vengeance.
Bo: Yeah yeah, I'm kind of on board with all of
Bo: that, but also I, you know, I think both of
Bo: us interestingly.
Duncan: We're not far off.
Duncan: We're not far off.
Duncan: I think it's just the.
Duncan: The who's walking out of this episode, yeah,
Duncan: is where we diverge a little bit.
Duncan: I just think Navarro, I think she, I think
Duncan: all the ghosts are trying to get her to go,
Duncan: whereas, like the other ones we've seen
Duncan: other characters interact with, just kind
Duncan: of live with it.
Duncan: So I think it's because the other ones that
Duncan: they're seeing are not ghosts or
Duncan: hallucinations.
Duncan: I think Navarro sees ghosts.
Bo: Okay, well, that's what I was getting to is
Bo: are we going to get confirmation, or as
Bo: close to confirmation as true detective
Bo: will ever get, that there is, in fact, a
Bo: supernatural element to all of this.
Duncan: I think so.
Duncan: Yeah, I think that I think.
Duncan: I think we, I think we in part have that.
Duncan: I think there's absolutely no way Rose
Duncan: finds the bodies without Travis crossing
Duncan: the veil and doing the fire.
Duncan: What would we dance out to?
Duncan: Where the bodies are buried?
Duncan: So I think that I think there is.
Duncan: I think this particular season is all but
Duncan: saying that ghosts are real and you can tap
Duncan: into that, the same way that you know
Duncan: fucking Rustin Cole could smell the
Duncan: psychosphere.
Duncan: I think it's the.
Duncan: You know.
Duncan: There's a tangible element that exists
Duncan: beyond the reality that some characters in
Duncan: this season can tap into.
Duncan: I think the only two that can tap into our
Duncan: Rose, aguinal and Navarro, are the only two.
Duncan: I think everyone else is seeing things
Duncan: because there's toxins in the water.
Bo: Okay, all right, that's my theory.
Bo: Okay, I mean, I like it.
Duncan: I also think the, the, the, the noise that
Duncan: we heard in the caves of our screaming and
Duncan: the roaring as a polar bear, though.
Duncan: Yeah, I think that's the polar bear that
Duncan: loses the eye.
Bo: Yeah, right, and maybe Annie Kay.
Duncan: I think she survives, that.
Duncan: I think they save her.
Duncan: And then she maybe threatens them.
Duncan: They save her, they shoo away the bear, and
Duncan: then maybe she like, I know what you've
Duncan: done, that's why I was down here.
Duncan: And then they're like, oh, we've got to
Duncan: kill this woman, um, or something along
Duncan: those lines.
Bo: Oh, we got to kill this one.
Bo: Oh boy, I hate when that happens.
Duncan: But yeah, like I'm in for this, this has
Duncan: been a quick, fucking six episodes.
Duncan: I'll tell you right now, but there's one
Duncan: episode left and they have to somehow cram
Duncan: it into an ever, which I don't know how
Duncan: they're going to do.
Duncan: Um need to answer a lot, buddy.
Bo: Yeah, I'm, I'm on board with you.
Bo: Um, I feel like I've got a lot of questions
Bo: and I don't need every single thing
Bo: answered, but you know most things, I guess.
Duncan: Yeah, I'm going to answer everything, but
Duncan: if they could answer the main things, I'd
Duncan: be happy with that.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, and, and for the record, uh,
Bo: I'm looking now, uh, one hour 16 minutes,
Bo: so the longest that has ever.
Bo: Oh, oh, we're getting extra 15 minutes Yep.
Bo: Uh so.
Duncan: That doesn't my heart good.
Bo: So you know, little mini movie, not quite
Bo: full length, but but darn near it, Disney
Bo: link at least.
Bo: Yeah, Uh, all right.
Bo: So, speaking of Disney, Duncan, um, where
Bo: can?
True Detective: I don't know um?
Bo: where can people uh find more out of you
Bo: and all of your delightful uh family
Bo: centric entertainment?
Duncan: You're.
Duncan: You're only saying that because you know
Duncan: that today I dropped an episode on Cannibal
Duncan: Holocaust.
Duncan: Um, yeah, so, uh, podcasts under the stairs,
Duncan: officially back after a couple of weeks
Duncan: away because I've been working away from
Duncan: home.
Duncan: Um, so yeah, um.
Duncan: Then a group of Italian collection reviews
Duncan: Um, the first one that dropped um on a
Duncan: tputscastcom or podcast under the stairs
Duncan: on YouTube or wherever you listen to
Duncan: podcasts, is on the 4k UHD print of
Duncan: Cannibal Holocaust, released by 88 films,
Duncan: which is jaw droppingly good.
Duncan: The quality on that cut is fucking
Duncan: phenomenal.
Duncan: Like better than that movie should ever
Duncan: look.
Duncan: Um, and yeah, so I, I, I did a review on
Duncan: that.
Duncan: There'll be more coming along those lines.
Duncan: Uh, speaking of Disney, though linking this
Duncan: back in um, disney acquired a company
Duncan: called Hulu and Hulu, as of tomorrow, the
Duncan: day after we were recording, uh, dropped
Duncan: the first episode of that show gun TV show,
Duncan: which looks fucking incredible.
Duncan: I have heard good things about that.
Duncan: That sounds good.
Duncan: That's how you get me in.
Duncan: That's how you get me in.
Duncan: So, yes, I'll be, uh, I'll be jumping on
Duncan: the the show gun band wagon.
Duncan: Uh, but, yeah, tputscast podcast under the stairs
Duncan: stairs.
Duncan: Just go, go like you'll find it Great.
Bo: Uh, and if you want to hear more out of
Bo: this, uh, just, uh, drop by the dark
Bo: paradecom.
Bo: Uh, we have.
Bo: We have shifted Duncan.
Bo: Uh, we aren't doing crocheting anymore.
Duncan: Oh well, that's the last song.
Bo: Yeah, look, I think we can all agree.
Bo: It was probably not the best option for a
Bo: horror podcast to also do uh crocheting Uh,
Bo: so instead we are now doing uh fish.
Bo: So if you're interested in fish sales, fish
Bo: preparation for sale, Great Lincoln to.
Duncan: I know we did last summer.
Duncan: Yeah, I see we are down both.
Duncan: Yeah, incrucnicity.
Bo: So, uh, please, uh, drop by and uh, not
Bo: only will you hear more about, uh the
Bo: fishmonger lifestyle, but also horror
Bo: movies, and who doesn't like that?
Bo: So, everyone's like all right, and so, uh,
Bo: the last order of business, then, is for me
Bo: to say uh say, good night, duncan.
Bo: Good night, Duncan All right, let's go
Bo: watch the finale.
True Detective: Yeah.