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The Offroad Yarnsmen Podcast is hosted by Jayden (Jag The Joker) and Brad (Red Dust Adventures) talking anything and everything offroad!
Jayden (00:10)
Alright guys, episode 2 we've made it. You know we made it when we did episode 2. We wanted to start off by saying a massive thank you. Both our minds have been blown. We talking the other day, if you've listened to episode 1 without checking out the socials, we've now created an Instagram account. Just thought that would make it easier for you guys to message in and all that sort of stuff.
with questions or feedback. we, I said to Brad the other day, was like, I'll just chuck up a questions box. You know, might get one question if we're lucky and blown away by the amount we got. You know, obviously we're not superstars yet, but it was just, haven't even, at the time of recording this episode two, we haven't even released our first episode yet and we're just absolutely blown away. So I'm sure you've got the same thing, Brad.
100%. Yeah, we were, we sort of had a bit of a giggle that day and we were just, let's, yeah, you hit me up and said like, might do and jump on that social and just do a question box. I said, why not? And then was like within 20 minutes, we'd had sort of like three quick questions. It was like, I sent you a message and said, bud, we're flooded. We're on. We're doing it. So yeah, was, it was a laugh. We were just like, yeah, it was just, it was quite cool just to think that,
Yeah, people, you know, okay, and they're questions and they will come out within this episode. They're questions were like bang on questions that we actually talk about on a regular basis. And I know around campfires all around Australia and potentially the world might the same sort of questions get brought up. It's topic of so many conversations. So now that that feedback and we've had quite a few questions since and even I know we spoke about to my we've had we've had quite a few people private messages.
Because not everyone likes to have their name and their face and stuff on socials, but just personal messages and that saying, good on you lads, like looking forward to it, keen as to get involved. I know my family's done the same thing, like if anyone can do a potty, it'd be you two, like, love ya, so yeah, get on it. And I had my oldest daughter, just send me one of the questions, but even send me a private message and I'm so proud of you, dad, I know you love this sort of stuff.
Yeah, I'm so proud of you having to go. So that's sort of all much in there. But it was pretty cool. yeah, I was definitely not expected. Like we, you know, I thought of a few people, but, you know, it was just Sarah Texas. And, know, who knows? Yeah. Well, we said we said we were dreaming the other day, like, we be sitting up north with some mics sitting around a fire and recording a party. be awesome. Yeah. Also, I just sort of run through a few other things. So yeah, Instagram is live. Send us in your
questions or even feedback or even a subject we talk about, you might want to comment on that and we can talk about the comment on the next episode or a few episodes. And also, I'm going to give it a crack. Probably won't be this episode, but I've got an audio question, audio recording. So we'll actually play that live on the podcast. So if you prefer that, you want your voice on there and say who you are. That is more than welcome. Just message us and let us know.
And there's gonna be a delay with some of your questions. So it's sort of doing in his order in order as we get them But we're sort of looking at a podcast podcast of fortnight Jesus go no can't talk today But let us know if you prefer less more Obviously work life. We both work away and work away from home and all this sort of stuff. So it does There's only so much we can do with that but
Yeah, so it could be, you know, might only do two or three questions an episode. So if you've, you know, sent in a question a bit later, then it could be potentially a month away before you get answered. But don't, don't, don't go off at us because we haven't, we've ignored you. It is coming. And from this episode, this is episode two. So episode one, we just did audio only and then we like stuff it, we'll create an Instagram account and
Episode 2 is video as well. So if you're listening to this on audio, can, if you prefer video, can go across to YouTube. And we haven't actually created the account yet, but it'll be the Off -Road Yarnsman podcast. And yeah, that's pretty much all of our little introduction. I don't feel like I had any more to that. Oh, just let us know. Once you've obviously
Listen to the first one episode one. Please just let us know. Like would you rather a visual because yeah, I'd say probably 80 % of people just do audio ones. Not everyone does visual ones. But the reality is some people might want to say ugly mugs and I might put some stuff into context, but we're to do both anyway. So yeah, let us know what you prefer or
And just give us that feedback. Feedback's everything. if you don't like something we're doing, please give us the negative feedback. only going to make us grow. We don't want vlogs on there just telling us we're muppets. If you think we're muppets, just go to the next channel. In all seriousness, just give us the negative feedback that you want us to do.
that we're not doing or whatever, but yeah, feedback, feedback's everything. Yeah, yeah. And welcome. Yeah, we're pumped. And yeah, we want this to be a bit of a people's podcast. we want to be on our field. So we sort of want to, you know, it's us yarning, but we'd really love to get you involved in all the questions and topics and all that sort of stuff. So I suppose that we want to go through the questions first, like, so we'll do a couple of questions so we don't run out of time and have to
question off or something? 100 % So, Brad's mainly the big dog on Instagram so he's got all the questions written down so what was our first one from who? Righto mate, so our first question we got sent in was from Evan, oldluxy on Insta. I've had some really good yarns with Evan, great guy and I know you have too mate, absolute legend.
And evidence in the first question being Camp Etiquette. Let's talk about Camp Etiquette. And I think everyone's got an opinion on Camp Etiquette. And I think this can be a wide scope of question on whether it just means simply how do you leave it? If you find a campsite like this, how do you leave it? Do you come and camp right next door to someone or do you just leave people alone?
or know turn in stereos down in the middle of the night and all that sort of stuff. think it's a quite a broad range of question. So do you want to start off mate on what's Camp Etiquette to you and what's a couple of the know the top topics or top rules that you stick by when you're at camp or with a miss or your mates or just even doing a bit of solo stuff or whatever. What's your go to expectations around Camp Etiquette?
Do you ever see that beast? think it's a BCF ad. As soon as I heard this question where the guys play the music really loud so they don't hear it next time. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, is such a question. and I think I've talked a bit about it on episode one is, I,
I personally don't like camping near people. Nothing against people. I'll just camp and you want to be out there by yourselves and enjoy it and just the bush and or beach or whatever, wherever you are. think it's just generally having a, you know, obviously you get some Karen's or whatever that, you know, the shits and whatever what you do. But I think it's just having a general respect for people, you know, like, and it goes both ways.
You might be playing music, you know, within a reasonable time you turn it off. Yes, you are camping, you're not at a house, know, you turn it off and then it goes the other way. If your neighbors are playing music, then have some respect. They're camping, they're enjoying their life. Don't be like, it's seven o 'clock boys, you know, you should be parking yourself, you know, like, I don't know where the time is or whatever, you know, but it goes both ways. so that sort of that sort of style.
I think, you know, obviously with the leaving a camp, how you found it or if better should be talking more rubbish away. That's a massive part. Rubbish is a big thing. be a good topic to bring up later as well. Another party or something. Yeah, I guess the question is more brought around or based around people not pissing other people off, I'm assuming. Even like a big one that I found when I've been on beaches as well.
down like say Ugarup down south here is a lot of times you go, you actually camp on the beach and normally, you you camped back a bit. It's quite a wide beach. you get some people that just come flogging past and you know, there's nothing wrong with putting a bit of boot in it on the beach and you know, cruising along and, but there's so many, a lot of the camps have kids and you know, it doesn't take, it doesn't.
not much of a hindrance to your trip if you just have to drop a couple of gears, cruise past in first or second or whatever, cruise past, give them a wave and put your bird into it again, you know? I think that's another big one that I have found that can piss or has pissed me off, you you're like bloody idiots. yeah, it doesn't. Like I said, it's just having a general respect for people of both ways of, you know, you might do something to piss someone else off, having that respect for that and
putting up with other people that might not be your thing, but I don't know what have you got to add on that. Yeah. Might be a bit too general. look, I've got a few things. There's now there's a few things I could bring up and and I'd love for people's feedback even just on my reply to this. Obviously, I know the concept of people can't provide beside you. And again, Evan hasn't stipulated exactly what he's talking about. So we're just going to make the assumption
All this can be covered in that one topic, but if you're, if it's, if it's a tight area, you've just got to camp beside people. is what it is. But if you've got a 20 acre block and people, and I know this has been covered in plenty of other podcasts or conversations around campfires and, but if there's a 20 acre block and we can all get to the water, if you can't don't war, or if you can, know, views or whatever, don't go and camp next to the, just, I don't understand the whole, I've heard
the answer of like safety and numbers, know, people want to camp. But I mean, what, what was, what was your plan B if you went to a camp spot and there was no one there, would you just drive out of there or, or do you camp on your own? it don't come to camp. So people I'm all for, like, again, I think I said, you know, in the first point of mind, I'm not about not talking to people. I love people. I love you. Clearly. But I just think sometimes it's nice. all
Nine times out of ten you go camping, I think ten times out of ten you go camping and you get away from everything. And everyone, I just like do your thing. So don't come camp beside me, unless you know me. just sort of camp over there and then we'll yarn and I mean I'm happy just to meet halfway and have a beer and light a fire there or whatever but yeah, do your thing. Another one you're touched on mate is just like packing your rubbish up and that. I mean everywhere you go nowadays you're gonna see know poo tickets and shit
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you get away from that. It just seems to be a normal thing. You know, you've got your grubs and you've got your genuine good people that go camping. Unfortunately, there's some grubs out there that don't care. But definitely if you can take stuff out with you, obviously it's not, you know, your responsibility to take everyone's rubbish out for them all the time. But if you can fit it, if you're also looking at it like this, you're finding if we're going home.
So if we're doing a weekend or whatever and there's rubbish there, poo tickets, it's easy just to go over there and light them, burn them off, happy days done. Rubbish and that, generally speaking, mate, if we're doing a weekend, we will load that rubbish into a pile and then as we're leaving, we chuck it all in with our rubbish and we go. If we're on a track, say like, so for example, the old tally track, where you're gonna be in there for like a couple of days or anything. If you're on an off grid, because we go.
pretty remote for a lot of the time. If we're away and we're not gonna see a rubbish bin for five days, we can't be in a position where we take everyone's rubbish with us and we're basically a tip truck when we drive out of there in five days time. Like there's gotta be a cutoff. So that's again, we try and focus probably if we can burn stuff, we'll go and pick it up, put it in a fire and burn it off. If it's stuff that's just not gonna break down. Yeah, take as much as we can within reason and then.
If everyone's doing that, mean, clearly the big answer people just took it in the first place, but we try and take it, you know, as much as we can without having to, like I said, carry two tons of someone else's rubbish. So that's my take on the rubbish sort of things. One of the other things, mate, you know, when you talk about the music and that, I don't know, I reckon if you're in a built up area and there's, you know, there's people everywhere. I'm sort of half on that, you know, I don't want to sound like an old fuddy duddy and an old
I just think you've got to go around that 10, 11 o 'clock you sort of thing, just like what you do at your house. You know, if you're working or even if you're having the weekend off or whatever and you've got the, you know, two o 'clock in the morning, you still got the bloke next door or the bloke two doors down and all you can hear is just boom, boom, boom. All you hear in bass all night. Sometimes that gets old, mate. You know what mean? We've all partied before and we've all done it. So sometimes, you know, you got to do it. But I think when you go out bush,
no, I don't know. I'm going to get shot down. There'll be youngsters. If young, if youngsters do listen to this general, all this potty, yeah, they'll shoot me down and say, mate, you know, it's like, they're out there and I think it is within reason, but yeah, pick your, pick your audience, I guess. And, and, show some respect with that. So if I, I'll give you a question off the back of that. What about volume? So is it acceptable at a decent hour to be full rip blasting, whether it's.
music you like, know, obviously from what I know about you, like country. What if it's like a rap song and it's full rip? What's your take on that? it acceptable to be up until 10 o 'clock? Yeah. Well, what, you know, even if it's like, you know, seven o 'clock or six o 'clock, is that a decent hour? But it's full rip and you can hear it clear as day. Is that acceptable? Well, mate, if I'm to ask answer from me, no, not really. No, it's absolutely out of me to be honest with you. But
On the same token, yeah, I don't know. Like I think it's a, it's a mood thing. Like, I don't know. Like I'll think if you're a genuinely good person and you're camping in a built up area, you don't be a flog like that where you're trying to drown each other out or you're trying to just be the loudest, you know, you're trying to run a disco there and in the middle of the bush. Um, I don't know. And I don't want to do the young old thing or whatever, like, but nine times out of 10, it'll be young blokes doing it.
On the same token, when we camped at Steep Point recently, those old salty dogs I was talking about, mate, they had the music, the rancor. And I actually think they were personally trying to piss the campers off for some of them. That's my opinion. But at end of the day, I'm not sure what was going on, but that was coming up. We were camped on 2300 meters away, mate, and that was just pumping all night. And I think, I know, he went to like two three in the morning, you know.
And there was a part of me that was just like, I don't know, just deal with it, have another book, go to sleep, whatever. And there was a part of me that, I won't lie to you, mate, I laid down and I thought, fuck, I'm first thing in the morning, mate.
Even if there's no wood down there, I'll run on me chainsaw. Like, as soon as I get up at five in the morning, I'm going down there with me chainsaw. I'll cut rocks up if I have to just to give you a bit of a bit of an idea of what our noise you were last night. But then I don't know. That's just, you know, you have those moments. And then it was just like, whatever. And then I fell asleep and life goes on. big deal. But look, I will say the other thing I want to touch on, and I'd love to people's opinions on this, because I think this is again,
People have different takes on this and people have different ways of dealing with this. So fires, putting fires out when you leave a camp and the whole concept of burying fires. Now I'm not a mad fan of burying fires. I'm a fan of, mate, I still don't understand. We've been to places and I'm sure you have and I'm sure plenty of people out there that are listening to this have, you'll come to a campsite and there's still a smoldering fire.
and it's right beside a body of water. Why that fire's not out is beyond me. That makes no sense to me. But, there's always a way. You'll have a pot or a pan or a bucket. Use your shoe. I don't care what you use. Use a plastic bag. I don't know, I don't use a plastic bag. probably have your hands off because you're silly. But you know what I'm saying? There's a way of putting a fire out. And I don't mean like there's a little bit of smoke where you just,
given up to earlier, whatever, but flames like the fact that this flame still just, it's beyond me. I don't know. I've sometimes wondered have people just like left their fire going, going, going and you know, and they're just in a vehicle, say, you know, for example, a rooftop tent and they've, they've pissed off for the day to do a day trip and then hoping they're to come back and their fire still running. Well, I've probably put out a couple of fires on those people in me time. Cause if I get there and there's a fire running and no one's there, I put it
Unless I'm going to use it. You know, if I went there and it was perfect lunch time, it's like, shit, fires running, happy days. Cook me lunch on it and say, for example, it's never really happened like that, to be honest with you. But yeah, I put them out, mate. And the reason I say about burying fires, because I know some people do bury fires. Like say you're on a beach and you have a fire and you bury it in the sand. I remember many years ago, I don't know what it was, like on a farm or something, and there was
a family that was traveling up in Lakeland National Park up in Cape York there and someone had buried a fire. Obviously, I don't know whether they tried to put it out or whatever and they buried a fire and a young girl stood on that fire and burnt her leg right up to her knee and was know, flown out of there like third degree burns in a really serious way. man, I just mortified me and we had young girls at the time too. daughters
young at the time and it absolutely mortified me. just thought I couldn't even imagine being on the trip of a lifetime and you're a week in a day in a month in the matter of stuff on the timeline. But to see my little girl in that situation like horrendous, my I'd rather I'd rather see the fire pit there. And then this might sound like a harsh thing to say. But if your child or yourself walk in that fire pit,
and it's still hot because someone hasn't put it out properly and you burn yourself. Well, the warning signs were there. So you can't do too much about the warning signs. Do you know what I mean? But if there's no warning signs and someone burns themselves like air fronting, I don't like the concept. Again, I did hear another story many, years ago about someone, you know, like back in the day, you know,
You'd light a fire, you'd grab your baked beans cans and spaghetti cans and you'd bury them in the fire to warm them up and you'd drag them out. I heard a story that someone had obviously done that the night before. Must have got on the piss or whatever and just forgotten about one and couldn't find it or whatever. And it so happens it exploded. Didn't hurt anyone, but it exploded just as when these other people, they were setting up their camp or whatever. So another group would come in the day after.
and setting up camp and all of a sudden there was this fucking almighty, almighty bang and it was a can of baked beans that exploded in the fire. And I don't know why they'd got to that point where it exploded. Luckily it didn't hurt anyone. But just that concept, you know, like, I don't know, if you can put a fire out, put a fire out, I'd love to know your opinion. I'd love to know the people out there, what their opinion is on fires. Because it's a big thing, man. They can be actually really dangerous. What you spinning on, man? It's a bit.
We're actually just talking about fire. think it's such, it's going to be a really good dynamic with having us both in different locations because we've got totally different options, different areas. So obviously down south, there's big restrictions on fires. Like you can't just light a fire anywhere or it's not like the outback, know, camping spots have to have fire pits generally. are still certain spots you can go and just have a fire, you know.
Yeah, and we've had big troubles down here down south. Obviously when a fire gets away, because it's such a built up area, there's lives at risk straight away. know, there's people's houses. yeah. You know, there's only, you know, it's still a decent body of bush or whatever, but not far away. There's a farm or a house or a town or something. So that concept is obviously many times where down here it's been caused by campers, which obviously isn't a good.
Good look for cameras and another excuse to shut trucks or stop fires totally. Yeah, same thing. I've come down and I was bang fires going. Generally in the fire pits, they're not too bad because obviously they're a big concrete. I don't think I've ever come across one really burning properly like flames. I've come across a lot of still smoking. Yep.
Yeah, and obviously the fire pits generally as long as it's not a stupid big fire and if it was going, I don't know, maybe the wind could still take it or something like that. But yeah, I've come across a lot that probably aren't far away from igniting again, a possibility which is probably how some of these fires are started. obviously wind and it gets air or whatever and takes so long, gets hot enough it will ignite again.
But yeah, like you say, you know, lot of spots I've been, there's down south, a lot of rivers or you've got the ocean there or something, there's no excuse to, even if you've only got an old water bottle, putting them, you know, going down there, filling your water bottle up and tipping it on there. And, you know, that's, I've tried to do most of time. Generally we carry a large amount of water with us or, you know, and try and do a little bit of that. Or even, I don't think I've, sort of we have,
We have done, I wish I had heard those stories before with bearing fires, because we've done little bits generally, guess we've left it exposed sort of like we'll flick a little bit of sand or something on it. All the fire was that small, like, you know, it was only a tiny fire. Certain areas down here just don't have the wood saw, so it's only very, very small. So it was probably no risk to anyone getting burnt either. Yeah.
hearing that is actually a great thing to think about. thought about that before with people standing on it and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. So obviously, especially if you get, you know, certain areas, you get some good wood, you can get a big hearty fire going. Cool. Yeah. And look, mate. Yeah, go on. Go on, mate. No, what I was going to say, mate, is like, I think too, not to keep going on too much about fires,
And again, I'm not an expert on everything. I've been doing this for a long time, you know, going away camping and stuff. I know, say, for example, yeah, if you're not around a body of water, you've carried limited water on you, you know, in your vehicle or whatever. What we do, and I'm not saying this is how everyone should do it, I'm just saying this is what we do. So don't take this as a tutorial on how to light fires and stuff like this is just my opinion. But say, for example, we did
you know, people would know that we did a double Simpson crossing a couple of years ago. And one night in particular, we camped on the bins track. Now, there was only a small group of us, myself, my wife, a couple of our best mates and my old man. And we knew that we had another few days. We didn't know whether we were going to come across water. We didn't have a mad supply of water because we'd only just come out of the Simpson Desert, went to Mount Dare, and they didn't have like a mad source of water.
And then we headed back into the bins track. So generally speaking, if we're near a body of water and you're going to have a good fire and you're going to be there for a couple of days, we dig a fire pit with it. You if we're not carrying a fire pit, we dig a fire pit. So when you and then you can have a good fire, you know, so you can put your camp up and in there. If you have a if you have a big body of coals, they don't go out for a long time. So say, for example, when we went to the bins track, we knew that we were only doing an overnighter.
We didn't have a real lot of water, so we didn't dig a hole. We just had a top of the ground fire and just kept it small, essentially for a bit of ambience, to be honest with you. And it was quite cold at the time. what we did the next day is we let it burn out overnight and then we didn't, we took some water on it, just a limited amount of water to basically put that flame out. And what we did is just spread those coals out onto the ground into a bit of a thing.
They weren't generating a ball of heat. It was just sort of spread out. Was that the right thing to do? We thought it was. We thought that was the best way to combat what we've done. But that's just, again, just my opinion, just what we do. Maybe a suggestion. It might work for other people. Other people, again, leave it in the comments and let us know if that's the right thing to do. was silly or a waste of time or whatever you want to do. But yeah, no, I just don't just make.
yeah, I'd love to hear everyone's thought, give us a message or whatever about the whole sort of thing, know, music, times, how you should leave your camp, know, pissing people off. Should you camp right near people? Should you go away? Cause I know some people let you go some caravan parks, know, your caravan or your camp trailers are just about touching, you know, so maybe they're just used to that. And then when they go out to the beach, they're just, it's what you do. But yeah, let us know, give us a message, give us some feedback.
But if there's any more on that or if you want to go on the next question? No, just to give you a bit of a shout out to Evan, If we've missed something that you wanted to talk about, yeah, let us know and give us some feedback on that if we've covered your question properly. Yeah, I think that's what you were talking about, just that broad range of stuff. So, great. A big shout out to Evan. Thanks for sending an email. You're a legend. Roll it out.
Next one was from Brent from Explore and Off -Grip. They're a Victorian couple, him and his miss -o. Another great couple. We still have some good games with these guys too and we've got a lot of respect for them. Love their high country stuff. And his question, which I think I'm sort of reasonably versed on this, and you to a certain extent you will be too, mate, but he said new versus old. Now, obviously, mate, we've got
a dinosaur 25 year old 105 series, which we absolutely love and have mad passion for. And obviously we've just gone out and bought a brand new 79 series. So we've got two Ford drivers sitting in our driveway that classed as old and new. So for me, I'm going to go straight off the bat and answer this. And then you can have, you know, you can have your spiel on it. For me, new versus old
What's my opinion or, you know, what's my take on it? If I had my way forever, I'll have old and new. Cause I think they both have a place. So I'll start off on the old. The reason we love old. And these guys run a GU with a canopy that, yeah, Brent's just like knocked up this mad canopy and, and it might, he's handy, he's a handy bloke on the tools and that. So,
Yeah, check out exploring off -grid on Insta. Yeah, absolute legends. But for me, an old vehicle is just simple. They work. Everyone knows how to work on them. Everyone knows where to get parts from. You can go anywhere in Australia and you can get parts from like your GQ, GU, 80, 105s, your 75s, your 79s to a certain extent, like your old ones, whatever.
There's parts all over Australia, probably plenty of other, high luxes and stuff like that. Yeah, and like you can just, they're just simple, mate. There's bugger all electronics, so there's bugger all to go wrong with them. You know, could be just your average punter and still work your way around it, you know, and troubleshoot it or whatever. New cars are out of everyone's league when it comes to troubleshooting, much of, you know, if you're a mechanic and you've got a scan gauge or something there, but I just love me old vehicles. I love the way they look. I love the
They're just rugged. I don't think you have to care about them as much. Obviously, you know, we don't want to be damaging their 105. But if we go into the bush, my look, if you have a look up close, there's some some pretty good war wounds in there. And we're used to this for a while. So, you know, there's there's things everywhere. There's the doors make a little noise when they open. And that's, you know, it's a 25 year old rig to drive like it feels like a man you drive. You feel like you're driving an old Acre or something, you like it's
I know you can make them feel nice and all the rest of it, but it's worked hard all its life and it's certainly not like a new car. But I love it. just the concept of doing even mod storm, like you sort of don't care if you drill a hole in them or if you have a bit of a play or whatever, or a little bit of touch up paint, there's not as much fear of it. I think you get in there and you have a crack at it with an old vehicle.
And mate, for as long as I can have my old vehicle, we will have it. you know, all this talk of electric vehicles and, you know, DPFs and pollution and all this sort of stuff, you know, you walk behind my, it was a perfect example yesterday when we went to, obviously we went and did a day trip yesterday and yeah, we had the trailer with the quad bike on it behind the 105.
Toted out to a spot, left that on the side of the road, feet jumped on the quad bike and then I drove the 79. Did our day trip, went fishing and then came back. But when, obviously when you start the 79, like there's almost no smell to it. That's a brand new car, it's a DPF, so it cuts all that sort of shit out, my understanding. You go behind the 105 and it's like, fuck! You wouldn't stand behind it for two minutes, otherwise you'd pass out.
Like, and it's not, it's not smoky per se. Like it's, it's running good and all that. But, I, well, I hope that's how they're meant to smell. Like old vehicles, just smell like that. Like, you know, it's straight through exhaust, but it's, just, that's what they smell like. So, um, yeah, like I love the old dinosaurs. Um, but then for new, my, to jump in that 79 and I know like, we had this premonition and like everyone talking about farm trucks and that, they're, they're a glorified farm truck.
the most expensive vehicle in world's history. You get better value for money out of a Bentley or a Ferrari than you do a 79 series. Let's face it, that's ridiculous and we all know it. But I mean, it's just one of those love -hate vehicles. No one loves spending the money on them because they're ridiculously overpriced. But I think when you have one, you either love it or you hate it. There's no in -between. It's not like, oh, it's not a bad rig or whatever.
You either just think, mate, so overpriced and so overrated, heap of shit, get rid of it, or you just become a part of that 79 cot where you just love your rig, you know? And we've had ours since Christmas and we're already a part of the cot. Absolutely love it. You hop in it, you know, we just drove up to the Kimberley to see Ronnie and Coralie and the Morgan family, mate. And I think was, we sat in that car, I think the first day we did 12, just under 1300 Ks, and I
brand new and I just wanted to keep driving. was loving it. just drives nice. It's comfortable. It goes well. Everything just works. It's brand new. So of course it's going to. And then, everything we threw at it over the trip, river crossings, long distance, know, road driving, gravel, four wheel drive. It just, it didn't mess with me. It was brilliant. Love it. And the concept for us, mate, is the two big reasons, just sort of a bit of
reason to why we bought the new one and why we write new vehicles over old. We can't legally get that same GVM on that 105 as we can on on the 79. So that's the main reason. Legalities is the main reason we went in 79. Otherwise, we probably I don't know whether we even would have bought a 79 potentially. But just a new vehicle might look we're in our 50s now and coming home every
with that old vehicle. just comes home with a new clunk or a new noise or a new rattle or every time you come home. you'll just, I'm constantly laying under the thing on the driveway. And so I don't have a shed and a horse and all that. We've got nothing. I just, I do everything. I did an FTE conversion in it under a car port in the Pilgrim summer. was like 53 degrees Christmas day. And I was out there working on my car, frying my brain. So the end of the day, new.
There's a place for new, mate, 100%. There's a place for new. I think if you're young and you love playing on cars and all the rest of it and affordability, clearly my 105, you can go and buy a 105 now. Even with an FTA, and they're overpriced, ridiculously overpriced on an FTA. So it's me, because if I ever wanted to sell it, you'd still get good money for it. But they're an affordable vehicle for your average person. Youngsters and older people are like a 79.
And even some of these new ranges and all, I don't really look into the ranges and the high luxes and that, but my understanding might some of these high luxes straight off the shelf, they're like 75 grand. That's like, holy shit. I can, they haven't changed a lot since for the last 10 years. Same as the, like I'm not even going to go into price in 79. So everyone knows what they're like. I'm just an inch in it. But yeah, the whole concept of a brand new car, like you'll get warranties and the feel of it and the, you know,
Advancement in technology and that sort of stuff. There's, you're in market and you can afford a newer car, 100 % you buy a new car. Look, if we could all afford brand new stuff every day, we'd just buy brand new stuff. That's the reality. But nine times out of 10, the reason people have, I shouldn't say that, because people just love old stuff. I'd say at least 50 -50. Some people, even if they're millionaires, might still buy old stuff. And that's a fact. And when we know that, people just love old stuff. People that collect old cars
old tractors, old Ford jobs or whatever. But I think if you've got the money and you look, let me put it this way. If you can afford to have both, not to know whether we can, we're just having a crack because we're silly. But 100 % have both. If you can have the best of both worlds, I would say keep your old. And then if you could have a new one, have a new one. That's sort of probably my take on it. I knew his mint man like having a new car is amazing, but that 105.
If I have my way, I be going anywhere. I absolutely love my old vehicle. What's your spin, Russ? Tell me what you reckon. Well, sort of, yeah, I'm sort of on the fence in some ways. So I've got, I'm still sitting in the shed broken for a long time. I got a 1982 Hilux, which is probably the opposite end. It's really old. It's hard to get parts for it. It's, you know, it's
but they're so bloody simple. There's no computers in them. They're just cable through your throttle. We've had it many times. I've had stuff go wrong with your clutch and bits and pieces and start a motor and every time you can get it going. Like there's no sensors, there's no this and that. I've been in situations with newer cars where you've got all these different sensors and you're trying to clean them and don't have the right thing to clean them properly because you wreck the sensor and then you're properly stuffed.
So in that aspect, older cars win every time. For, you know, if you break down, can generally get them going, you know? you know, certain, obviously certain things with the newer cars you can, but I've heard a lot of the times where, you know, you get water into something or, you know, generally an older car, if you water in something, can, I've seen some crazy stuff where they can, you know, if you get water in your motor or something, like, you you can get home.
a lot of these new cars, that's it, gearbox, this is not talking to this anymore and the gearbox isn't working. So that aspect, it wins every day. And, you know, obviously they're not, well, like as in my Hilux, it's not comfortable. Like it's, at the other end where it's really rough. We've also got a 105 and, you know, we've got a 107, you know, not going anywhere fast, but that's got. Yeah.
I don't think we'd be too far off 600 ,000 cars on it now. And got no signs of slowing down. And I've also got an N70 Hilux and it's about 300 ,000 on it now and falling a bit. It's tired, needs, I've spent some big money on it now so I'm actually gonna sell it. So they don't last like they used to but also I wanna bring up
I've worked with a bloke and also got a mate that's bought the new Ford Raptors and the technology in them is mind blowing. Like holy shit. You look at, know, I've climbed on a suspension, got wires coming out of suspension and you know, each mode, you know, you've got your different power modes and stuff and each power mode changes your suspension. And I've talked to a bloke, he's like, mate, you can sit on the beach like a highway. It feels like you're on a bitumen road and you're going over all this rough stuff.
And you know, I've told my mate, he's like, bro, I've been sitting in my car for like an hour going through the tablet in there and it's just got that much shit in there. And it's like, it's like different settings and all that, which is cool. Like it's awesome. But my question is in 10, 20 years, what's that car going to be like? know, and what like the summer options and I'm, I'm only, I don't know that much about them. I don't know what customize, like how much you can customize your car.
Obviously, I've talked to different of these new cars. I know the Y62, there was something about, you got hydraulic suspension in the front. So standard, you can only put so much weight on the front, you can't put a big bull bar and bits and pieces. it does, in one side, it brings so much comfort and technology and it's sick. But on the other side, your customization side, and also, especially if you don't know how to use the things
I had an old boss that was down the beach and he tried to get up, I think it was Warren Hill or something down there, which is quite a steep hill and couldn't get up. And it wasn't because of the car, it couldn't because he couldn't figure out how to turn the settings off of traction control and you had to put it in this certain mode. But yeah, the big thing I find is, know, like all these old cars, 75s, some of them have got some crazy cars on them or, you know, they're all getting really old now.
you know, all these newer cars, what are they going to be like in 20 years or 30 years, you know? How do say? I feel like they're just going to be in the scrap heap because you can't, you know, or you're to have to spend 20 grand on redoing the electrics and sensors and all this sort of stuff because you can't, you probably can't do it yourself unless you're an auto sparky, but the other side is, you know, they're just, they're not mechanical and they're all wires, wires get old, sensors get old. So that is my
Worry, suppose, is the newer cars. But yeah, comfort side, think they're crazy. I think, because we essentially live in a throwaway society. know, like it's everything's a consumer. Like it just, yeah, we use it for fun in some throwaway. And I think that's probably what Brent's alluding to, that the fact that, yeah, mate, in another 25 years, his G will be still going strong. Like the concept of like your 105, mate.
600 ,000 and just doing its thing like mate, it speaks volumes of old versus new, like right there, do know what I mean? And yeah, and that, and you just touched on a thing of like old and new. You jump in my 105 or an old, you know, 40 series, an old Hilux or whatever, you pretty much got your high -low stick and you're just banging it, like obviously ours is high -low just because it's all wheel drive, full -time four wheel drive, playing house to a certain extent, but you you lock your hubs.
You pull your lever and away you go. You know what mean? And I just do their thing. Right. I just been one of our recent videos. We did this Hill in the 79. I'm still learning how to use it. I've never had a car with traction control. I don't know any of that. And I would just flip the traction. You know, we drive work, you'd smaller estimate, but I mean, I don't need to play around with any of that stuff in a work. You just got to get me out to the job, you know, um, I flicked the traction control or the button thinking, well, that's it. Traction control is off.
And I was doing, I did this hill and I've had people even sort of send me messages saying, mate, check your, check your turbo boost and see if like it's not missing something or whatever. Like, cause the 79 got to the top of that hill. Like it took me like 10 guys, but it got to the top of the hill and I just, had the thing buried through the firewall and it just wouldn't go anywhere. And I was just like, that's a brand new VA. Like this thing should be just smoking this hill. And I just couldn't work out what it was doing.
Um, and then, yeah, sort of got up over the top of the hill, nearly stalled, like I was nearly, I was about a second away from banging the clutch in and trying to take off again. It was that, like that gutless. Then a few people had reached out through, um, you know, through, through the channel and stuff saying, mate, with the, and guys that have got 79 and saying with that traction control button in high range, cause I was trying, low range, couldn't even get the thing to move. Like, I don't know, just could get it up the hill. I don't know what was going
In high range, you can flick the button and that takes it off my understanding until and I'm not an expert on this, mate. I haven't ever researched because I'm not I'm not a real manual person. I just learn by just touching and feeling and experience. This is I've always done it. You know what I mean? All people tell me and then I try it. I believe if you hit the traction control button in a 79 series, I think at 30 kilometers or 40 kilometers now, it actually then just resets itself.
say, traction controls back on. I didn't know that. I don't think I was doing 30 or 40 up that hill. Maybe I fucking was, but I've now been told that to take your traction control off and lock it out, you've got to hold that button in for like, I think it's five to 10 seconds. Yeah. So yesterday when we were at Bush and we did that day trip, there was a little bit of a hill to climb out and I actually did that. I held it in and you see it just
and lights everywhere on the screen. And I drove up this little sandy hill and like laid the boot in it. And I could hear that it was a roar. It was just, you know, it's just from roosters out and roaring up the hill. And I thought, fuck, had I known that one more on, know, the dirt car, I would have been sick. I didn't, I'll stay point. I didn't know that. So and for me, a bloke who doesn't buy a brand new car or a brand new set of headphones or anything I buy, the manual stays in the box.
It's all about, no, know, but I'll try that. Yeah. And then as stuff goes wrong, then I might do some more research or whatever. But I'm more likely to ring you on site instead of grabbing the manual. It's right beside me and reading it. I'm more likely to say, hey, man, how do I work these headphones? And like, you're not even here. You don't. can't even see them, but you're like, you'll talk me through it. And that's how I learn. So new versus old. I can 100 percent say the negatives in new.
because there's so much going on in all those sensors you're talking about. Yeah, we'll lace down the test of time or we'll lay just be nothing but, you know, do a big water crossing and all of a sudden you've just got lights everywhere. Whereas the old rigs, yeah, you don't have those issues. So I think, I think Brent's, I think Brent's probably more likely to be on the side of old vehicles.
And so I'm on, I love me, I love me 105 and I know you do and love your old luxies and stuff. So yeah, I'd love to, again, I'd love to get people's feedback on that. And mate, just quickly, I do remember, I don't know whether you remember this, this is many years ago, fall drive action back in the day. Tim Bates did a trip with Ruthie and Glenn Haddon and a couple other lads. was another fellow with a GQ, can't remember his name.
But they did a trip up there somewhere in the high country, would have been with Tim Bates running it. it was pissing rain, big bog holes, Ruthie was in Milo, Glen Haddon was in his New 200 series and they were pretty new to the scene then, know? And he's pretty switched on. But anyway, they got through this water hole
There was lights come on the dash on the 200 series. And I remember Ruthie standing beside Glenn saying, well, what's the go, mate? What do you do? And he goes on, and because he's obviously one of those people that does read manuals, he's a mechanic and that. He's like, well, so you've got to, I don't know, well, something silly, mate, don't cry me on this, but something like, you you've got to turn the heater on, you've got to hold the speedo in, you've got to press all these buttons. It's like a routine, like a process.
And you got to do this and then pump the bike five times. And I remember, Ruthie, I don't remember exactly what he said. It's like, well, so what's the next thing you got to walk around the car backwards with your finger in your mouth and your thumb in your mouth or whatever. And do it like a song with this. And then because I think that that video was essentially about all versus Newt because I had no one. I had the brand new 200 series and that there. I remember saying to myself.
I think I said to the miss a fuck ever buying a new car. I think back then we had the old high license. Like, Oh, mate, you'll give me old any day of the week. That new technology just, yeah, it doesn't know why. And, know, 20 years later, here we are, just bought a brand new car full of technology, but pretty basic technology compared to like the roughly you're just talking about. We don't have any of that sort of stuff going on. So, mate, I think all versus new. If you've had, if you have your way, in my opinion, haven't both.
I think they've both got their place. Yeah, I think that's all I can say on that. I hope that's answered your question properly, Brent. What do you reckon, mate? Have you got anything else to add? What do reckon we're coupling or what? I think we're pretty much on it. my vote would be old. you know, shortly want to buy a new car, but yeah, nothing new. You know, obviously I'd love a 79, but yeah, I think, I think the 79
you know, with it being not that developed. mean, obviously the new ones out, but you know, everyone complains about the 79 not being developed. I think that's actually a good thing. Like, yeah, So mostly mechanical, you know, obviously there's bits and pieces, but you know, it's in that sort of old era, but yeah, my vote would be with old, but um, we're at 50 minutes. I don't know if we get another question in. I actually had, I don't know if you have anything you want to bring up, but I actually had something to bring up off of episode one.
Okay, yeah, yeah. 100 % brother, 100%. We talked about mapping apps. Just quickly, just quickly, guys. Sorry, mate, I just want to say thanks, Brent. Thanks for that question, mate. Absolute legend. Thank you. Yeah. Anyone that's logged in before, jump on, yeah, jump on their Instas. Old Luxie and Explore and Off Grid. Jump on there and give them a follow, give them a like, do all that sort of stuff. Thank you. Yeah, two absolute legends.
Thank you for your questions. Sorry, mate. Sorry to cut you off. that's good. I'm talking about Muffin Acts and I sort of been thinking about it since the record. I listen to the Joe Rogan podcast sometimes. I want to work and anyone that listens to Joe Rogan knows that some of the stuff they bring up is can be wild wacky and all this. And I think this one I was listening to was about past civilizations or something and all this sort of shit.
some I would just find interesting. I take it all the grain of salt, but they were talking about, people possibly have used to be able to know direction and whatever, all this sort of stuff. And it's been a lost thing over time. And then they started talking about, even these days, we are so reliant on technology now. When I was younger, it was
that arrow where you had the maps, know, and you had to, you know, find out, right, go to this page, figure it out. You all had to write it down or memorize it. And you just learned to know where you were going with these days. And I was thinking about it. I don't know where I'm going after the time, you know, obviously I got on certain Bush tracks. I remember how to get there. Navigating around, you just relying on Google or your, you know, your math. So is, are we losing?
our ability to even just navigate around basically like compasses and stuff are becoming a thing, you know, you don't even really hear that phrase anymore compass or anything like that. it's becoming so real life. Unless your app's working, you don't know where the hell you are. And you're probably too focused on your phone about where you're going to actually look around and get the basics of where's the sun and what direction we're heading. that, do you think that's becoming a problem?
Potentially for some people, if I'm to speak for myself and for how we travel. Yeah, like I said the other day, mate, in that one. We have memory maps on our iPad with a HEMA overlay, and that's essentially what we run. Even when was on the Cobb bike yesterday, we were going out to this spot. We'd been out there ages ago, but we didn't map it last time when we had a bit of a... So Fee just had her phone, which has got the exact same...
you know, smaller version of the iPad clearly. So that same mapping is on the iPhone and she just had that on her quad bike and did the mapping on the way over there. If we're just doing stuff like that, wouldn't care about sort of paper maps or whatever. But if we're so when we went into the desert, so for example, we've got all that stuff all pre loaded into our iPad and all that mapping. But we have the four desert paper maps.
And I'm asked this way where I'll end the hard copy, but he bought a book, the big, you know, Meloise, I can think we've got that exactly. All that is, is another version of the paper maps, except the paper maps are four separate maps. The book is the whole book and it gives you heaps more information on, you know, like just little tips and tricks or just other different stuff. And then we've got our mapping. So we still are 100 % believing paper mapping. And I think if
If you're just going around, if you're going down to your local beach, like at Munjan up or one of the apps, like, I don't know, say half of them ups down there in Southwest. But if you're all going to one of the apps, yeah, you probably don't need paper mapping because you can probably find your way through there and you could just pinpoint if you're mapping, essentially, if you're mapping the shit itself, I don't think you're as such going to get lost when you're heading out remote. If you don't have a paper map, I think you're fraught with danger, to be honest with you. And so I think.
and I don't, again, I don't know whether that's an older generation and the younger generation thing. I'm certainly not going to, I'm going to pick me battles, right? I'm not going to start hanging shit on the young fellas as an old fella. But, the reality is, yeah, I think if you're not, if you don't have, if you're going to an area and don't have paper maps for that area, I think you go in there a little bit underprepared, just quietly.
It's a very simple thing as you're away, if you've got one phone by yourself something, you drop your phone in the water and it buggers out or you smash it. What do you do? I don't think I do anymore. I used to have a paper book of all the maps. It was like the Southwest and always used to that in the back seat cover. I think it might have got wet or something. need to get another one. generally down South.
it's, you know, I'll be signed or something, but there is a lot of spots, you know, I like to go explore sort of off the main track and yeah, some of the spots, it's quite simple. And you know, even though some of the tricks, we've had a few tricks that we do, like, you know, if you're going around without, you know, a lot of time, you know, in a reception, you can't load maps and we haven't planned it. It's just off the cusp trip and simple things like
turn on the corner, I'll actually try and do a little broggy around the corner or like a little clutch dump just to leave a mark there so you know where you turn or what direction you come from, little simple things like that and you know you have people putting little... and even a simple thing like that you know like some of the times I haven't even needed to, I knew exactly where I'm going but there's other times I've come out and like shit which way did I actually turn? I can see my little piggy bank there and it's not as extreme as know hanging stuff in trees or something but...
little trick like that can get you out of the shit pretty quick, know? And like you say, up north, it's not like down the south here, you've got a pretty good chance of, you know, some areas are coming across someone or, you know, I've done it plenty of times where, you know, you come along and thought, you know, you're going to be the yarn and you're like, shit, where are we? Like, it's, it's a totally different thing. You know, you could end up hundreds of kilometers in the wrong direction, you know, and that's when it becomes, you know.
don't have enough fuel, have enough water, don't have enough food, you get bogged somewhere. Absolutely. And then I don't navigate. I mean, technology is amazing when it comes to all this stuff, mate. But again, when you just said about hanging stuff in trees. what we do to, yeah, and it's just something I don't know where we stumbled upon this, but you say it all the time. So, know, where surveyors, you know, they hang that like your pink ribbon, it's just like a cloth ribbon or whatever.
It's like a tape that's not sticky tape. They just tie it off on stuff. We carry that so with our quad bikes, a couple of missions were done with our quad bikes. We've got a roll of it in the car as well. But when we've gone in on the quad bikes where you're essentially making your own track, well that's the reason we bought the quad bikes so we could get to somewhere where there's maps and tracking and all the rest of it. And then just to get a little bit deeper into the bush to get to a fishing hole or whatever, we just ride through the bush on the quad bike.
And what we do, mate, is leave a ribbon everywhere. And then as we're coming back, like if, mean, generally speaking, mate, you can see your tracks anyway. But just in case, if it gets to a point where, because it's easy to get lost, especially if you're coming back in the dark or if anything happened, that just gives us a bit of a point of, like if our mapping does shoot itself, like it's a drop your phone or whatever, we just tie a ribbon in the tree. This pink ribbon, stands out like bloody dog balls.
And then on the way back, we just rip off the ribbon and we just go from ribbon to ribbon. Haven't done, had to do a lot of that, but we have, that is, we carry a box on the front of one of the quads and that's, you know, it's got a pump and tire repair kit and first aid kit. And that ribbon is a part of that box. It's like a safety box and it's got everything in there to keep us, you know, a two way and E perb, all that sort of stuff. that's, yeah, I think it's paramount, especially if you're making your own tracks.
And it's just a simple old school stuff. You know, know back in the day, like, you know, all young fellas and we're going away in the youth or whatever. you know, or not necessarily me controlling this, but, you know, blocks just put a bloody beer can shoveling it on a stick. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you get to the beer can, you turn right or turn left or whatever. Yeah. So, yeah.
Look, the technology can can one million percent let you down. We all know it. So yeah, heading out, Bolshoi or anything you do, like I think having that second back up bit of a plan B with some good old fashioned paper maps or some bit of ribbon to tie in a tree or a, you know, a lucky burnout on a, on a corner or whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever saves your bacon, mate, whatever keeps you safe. Definitely have a plan B though. Definitely have a plan B. 100%. Yeah, that just got me thinking about it. But,
I'd love to hear everyone else's tricks again. We keep saying it because we want every subject we talk about. We'd love to hear your feedback. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm sure there's little tricks and stuff that we don't know about and even better. And I'm not saying it's not an excuse to go down skids. You know what? Generally, when I've gone to skid, so we're lucky. know, you've to be proud of me. Yeah. Yeah.
We're up to an hour, is there anything else you wanted to touch on or photograph it up? Nah, think, mate, I think we, and we will explain legends out there, we made a bit of an agreement with ourselves that we were gonna try and keep these potties to an hour. We think that's a decent amount of time to sit down, whether it be a drive to work, know, sitting around a fire or just if you wanted to do a visual thing, you knock off work and you you wanna watch a potty or whatever. Yeah, we,
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