Deniz Perry: I always described
it as, oh, I live in a haze.
Or details just like pass me by.
I would walk by someone, uh, thinking,
who knows what I'd be thinking in my head.
And wouldn't, you know, recognize
it's a friend passing by.
So I always thought that I live
in a haze and that was just
my thing in my personality.
Jesse: Hey, my name is Jesse J.
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The show where we talk about living with
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Now let's get to the show.
Deniz, thank you for being on the show.
It's great to have you here today.
Deniz Perry: It's excellent meeting you.
Jesse: Yeah, I'm really excited
to hear more about your story.
We've connected on Instagram and sort
of, you know, we're both creating
different ADHD content on there.
And following each other and
commenting on each other's stuff.
And, uh, yeah, I'd love to kind of dig
into your, your own history with ADHD.
What was life growing up with
ADHD, whether you knew it or not,
and when did you kind of find
out that you might have ADHD.
Deniz Perry: So I did
not know, growing up.
Um, so, everything kind of came into focus
through diagnosis, looking backwards.
A lot of people probably
go through that experience.
But true kind of focus, the ADHD
came too after I met my husband.
He's my second husband and
I met him six years ago.
And we had so much in common in a
ridiculous feeling of comfort in harmony,
but in the sense that we're both kind
of messy in the same ways, and we're
not bothering each other or, um, time
blind, this is a big issue for me.
So I just, I always described
it as, oh, I live in a haze.
Or details just like pass me by.
I would walk by someone, uh, thinking,
who knows what I'd be thinking in my head.
And wouldn't, you know, recognize
it's a friend passing by.
So I always thought that I live
in a haze and that was just
my thing in my personality.
So then I met my husband.
And he was already diagnosed.
He was already on medication and some
of the things started clicking and I'm
like, well, just read about these things.
Cause I worked in biopharmaceuticals
and I'm interested in medicine.
And, uh, kind of through that,
digging through just like, uh, slowly
like the lights started shining
and I was like, wait a second.
This is me.
So that, that kind of, the kind of
self-diagnosis that I went through.
And then, you know how, when you get to
a point, you realize, little story points
pop up from your past, started connecting.
I just remembered that I was seeing
a counselor, uh, in grad school in
Boston, and I was kind of depressed,
I think, during uh, transitions, I
just fall into this over analysis
of what's going to come next.
And if you don't know what's happening
next year, it's just a little bit, those
are the times that I feel a little bit,
um, I don't know how to describe it.
It's not true depression.
But it feels frozen in time.
So I started seeing the school
counselor and she said, you might
not be depressed, but maybe you
have ADHD if you want to get tested.
And I'm super dismissive.
I just like, am the worst, when it
comes to these types of conversations,
I was like, I am totally depressed.
Let's just please tend to that.
And then, um, that memory just opened up.
Someone told me, a professional,
about ADHD and I dismissed them in
the past because I was focused on
what I thought was, you know, real.
Well, I, after that, I guess,
uh, last year, so I'm super newly
diagnosed, a baby diagnosed.
Last year, I thought,
Hey, I might as well.
Just go through and have a
formal diagnosis, uh, if I
wanted to have medication or
something and that's what I did.
Jesse: Nice.
And what, um, I know you told me
before for your diagnosis, you've
used one of those online sites
for going through that process.
And I know there's been a lot
of, kind of, I hear questions
from people like are they legit?
There's been articles that kind
of questioned some of the stuff.
And I'd love to hear, just like
what your experience was like,
was it a positive experience?
Do you recommend people do that?
If they're, cause diagnosis
is so hard to get.
Yeah.
Like what was that
experience like for you?
Deniz Perry: Uh, for me,
it's like checking a box.
So it was also, it was during pandemic.
Everyone was doing online.
You know, my doctor was online as
well, so it didn't feel like I was
doing something sketchy or separate
the rest of the medical community.
Um, it was kind of easy.
You just do like a test and
then you talked to professional.
In terms of, is it, does that
replace, uh, in-person diagnosis?
They, they are a business, right?
They want you to get diagnosed
because they have other services.
After you get diagnosed, you could
start doing therapy through them.
They could do medications
and stuff like that.
So, In their best interest that you do
have ADHD, you know, as opposed to not.
So that's, that's kind of a
judgment a person can decide if
they want to go through that or not.
Jesse: Right, right.
Deniz Perry: If you don't have access
to services or if it's too expensive,
I would totally go through it.
It's just one more data point for you
to decide if, if you're gonna keep
going or, if that's something that do
feel like maybe this is not for me.
Jesse: Right.
So after, after you figured out that
you had ADHD and, and maybe after your
diagnosis, I wonder if you went through,
well, I know for me, I went through
kind of a mourning period and like just
this major aha moment of looking back
like, oh, if I had only known I would
have done this differently and yeah.
What was that like?
Deniz Perry: It actually
still unfolds after a year.
It's very interesting.
Right.
Um, interacting with people online
has become also another step in that
unfolding for me, the details people
post, um, unlock, weird memories.
Some people are really good
especially, you know, posts like yours.
It's very pinpointing a special place.
That you never even think
about until you read it.
And then do you just, you're just
thrown for this loop of, uh, memories
and emotions that unlock your thinking.
How about that was that this other person
that's just going through the same thing.
Online community's amazing and mind
blowing how specific people can be.
And compared that with the, um, you
know, medical diagnosis criteria
with like seven entries or something,
do you make careless mistakes?
What's up time management or
whatever, whatever the questions are.
I'm not, I'm not going to
pretend to know the questions.
Um, even though I read them so many times,
But, um, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's
an unfolding thing that sometimes I
feel like I was lucky not to because
I would over analyze it and probably
hold back from certain things like
skills or the more you learn, right.
I also have illness, anxiety, which
the more I read about the disease, the
more it becomes a part of my anxiety.
And, um, even if I don't have it, I can
easily pretend to have it for a tiny bit.
So with ADHD, if I had known earlier, I
wonder if it would be a worse outcome for
me, because I actually did okay in life.
I had like a nice family.
They didn't say that I was stupid.
They were supportive.
Um, my mother probably an
undiagnosed, uh, ADHD or herself,
all these memories just going back.
I was like, oh, how did we not see that?
Right.
Um, but she was nice and
she was always there for me.
I remember many Sunday nights me,
like not having done my homework,
just to the point of tears thinking.
Jesse: Yeah,
Deniz Perry: how am I going to do that?
And then she'd be like, okay,
you'll do the math and science
and I'll do some of your homework.
Like this woman actually sat down
to help me finish my homework.
Just maybe bad parenting, but
that's what I needed at the time.
And without knowing she really
did, did a, you know, fantastic
job supporting me without making
me feel like a horrible person.
Jesse: Yeah, I don't, I don't
think that's bad parenting at all.
I think that's great.
There's I think so much of, you know,
so much of like the school system,
particularly with homework is built
around, you know, that it's, you know,
it's the round hole and we're the square
peg and like, we're just not really
fitting with what they expect us to do.
Cause I did the same thing.
I, I basically did no homework.
Deniz Perry: Why didn't
your mother do it for you?
Jesse: Well, they definitely were,
my parents were helping out with like
projects and stuff, but at some point
I just stopped telling them, I, I don't
remember I probably just, I probably
lied and just told my parents like,
oh, they don't really do homework
in high school, or I was doing it in
school or I don't know what I said, but
I definitely, I just sort of stopped
doing it and I would do well with
testing, but the actual, like homework.
I just didn't do any of it.
So I'd end up with like
Cs and Ds in classes.
Even though it was, I
was learning this stuff.
I like, I've always been a really good
learner, but actually doing that busy
work, which is what it felt like to
me, it was like, yeah, it was no good.
And I think it's great for
parents to find ways like that.
Like if you have to do the
homework for the kid, but you
know, they're still learning it.
I don't think that's
necessarily a bad thing.
I think that's great.
Deniz Perry: So I grew up in Turkey,
so I went to school in Turkey too.
And, um, I'm just living like
a whole different life with
different systems, thankfully.
Um, you know, just learning through
my son and my daughter is little.
But school seems so much nicer
here also generational, right?
Maybe it's nicer in Turkey too.
Um, a lot of more
accommodations are available.
We know a lot more about people's
learning styles and things like
that, but still, it really depends
on the teacher and the person.
You just need to be lucky
to get to the point.
I posted recently about how my
son's current teachers amazing.
She's never bothered me about anything.
And she, when, when I got to meet
her, she was just like, oh yeah,
he's a little bit passionate about
some stuff and there's this and that.
And then she said, don't
say any of this to him.
Cause he's doing just fine.
You know, she knew how to
take care of the situation.
Jesse: Yeah.
I definitely find, uh, I've got three
kids and two of them in elementary school.
And.
Yeah, that's the same.
It's, it's amazing how much the
right teacher can make a difference.
And it, it, it just feels like
some, some teachers seem to get
like how like, oh, this kid is doing
things different and that's okay.
And I can kind of adapt things
to work with their brain.
Um, yeah, cause we've definitely
experienced, we've never had a
terrible teacher with either our
kids, but we've had some teachers
where it's like, well, we'll get
through this year and we'll support
the kids at home as much as we can.
Uh, but then there's been other
years where like the teacher clearly
like, oh, this teacher really gets
it and like is really helping.
Our kid feel like they are
smart and that they're excelling
and doing great in class.
Which is great because as with ADHD, that
that is so much of what we need to hear.
That encouraging message like that, that
just like brings out the best in us.
If you tell, if you tell me I'm
doing awesome, then it's going
to make me be even more awesome.
Like I'm going to go, you know,
uh, over and above to try and
prove like, yeah, that's right.
I am doing really great at this.
Deniz Perry: That's so true.
Can I tell you something?
Jesse: Yeah,
Deniz Perry: So similarly to teacher
thing, um, currently I'm working for
a person who is like the director of
our team and he leads by only positive,
reinforcement and it's amazing.
It's like a parent, the sweetest person
ever, but in his position, he could
also be, you know, half and half.
It's it's, It's so weird.
I've never, I worked
for really nice people.
I've never worked for just like a
horrible person, but this is really, I
feel like I just, I can never work for
someone else because now I just only get,
you know, I don't know how he does it.
He just does it.
But everyone's interaction as I can
see is with positive reinforcement.
So imagine his kids, right?
The kind of.
That he gives to his kids what
a great parent to grow up.
Jesse: Right, right.
Yeah.
I've definitely found that
to be true with managers.
Like there's.
Specific managers there's a manager
had, uh, for like four years.
Am I it's still at the job.
I'm still at, he's not my manager anymore,
but he, there was something about like,
he just understood how to manage my brain.
And so, whereas I've always felt well, not
always, but often felt in previous jobs,
like I was battling my manager or like, I,
they, they didn't understand that for me.
I, I find in my job, I can be
really critical of things, but it's
because I want it to be the best.
And so, like, I find I can, I find
problems with things because I want to
fix them and I want things to be better.
Yeah.
And in the past, I've had a lot of
managers that they don't get that.
They just think like, I'm, I don't know.
I'm like I'm trying to cause
problems or like just criticizing
things or complaining or whatever.
And this manager that I had for
several years, like he understood.
Jesse's just trying to
get the best out of this.
And so he did a great job of like
redirecting my passion or whatever it was.
And so we created really great products.
It was, it was awesome.
And so, yeah, I think a manager can
have such a great effect if with that
positive encouraging sort of message.
So speaking of like, uh, careers and
stuff like that, I'd love to hear more
about how you got to where you're doing.
So what, what exactly is your job?
It's like biochemistry, science.
I don't totally understand it.
So I'd love to hear from
your words, what that's like.
Deniz Perry: I'll give
a quick, Quick summary.
So I went to school for
chemical engineering.
I always wanted to do bio, um,
ended up, doing an internship in.
Uh, Biogen in Boston, it's
a biopharmaceutical company.
I learned cell culture there, and then
I moved to Maryland for my current job.
So I worked in the lab doing, you
know, uh, cell culture development,
small bioreactors and things like that.
three years into that, I switched
to more of an informatics role.
So I would, I started developing
apps for all the data coming from
the experiments I was in R&D.
Jesse: Okay.
Deniz Perry: And I did that for 10 years,
which moved me to more kind of a UX role.
User experience, role, or
usability, or, you know, prototyping
design and things like that.
during that time also, I also did like
Six Sigma and businessy stuff and projects
in the organization, all that stuff.
It's, you know, I feel very fortunate
because my job paid for so many,
uh, trainings for me over the years.
I worked there for so
long in different roles.
Um, and the last three years I moved
to the IT organization and, uh, my
subgroup is called Tech Innovation.
So it's just a bunch of people
doing interesting stuff and I
get to do the communications
and I get to do the portfolio.
Uh it's uh, it's like a perfect ADHD job.
There's colorful stuff.
There's always interesting things
and people who know interesting
things want to talk about new things.
So, um, it's been an interesting
journey for sure, because it started
from like hands-on science to here.
And I've always wanted to, I always
enjoyed putting out some sort of
communications because when you work in
science, it's complicated and weird right?
You have to communicate it to
different levels of in business.
And I've always been bothered by looking
at these, um, you know, ADHD or is it
just check out easily, if what I'm looking
at is too many weird words, I'll just,
uh, go into the dream world or whatever.
Jesse: Like sometimes, uh, because I'm
trying to learn a lot about ADHD, I'll
be reading studies and stuff and I'll
get into a certain point in the study.
And then I just sort of eyes glaze over.
Deniz Perry: Methods.
Jesse: Ooh, this is.
Yeah.
Exactly.
is not my world.
I'm not trained in like, knowing how
these, all these research papers are done.
And it just feels like, oh, there's a lot
of bureaucracy required for this study.
And I'm sure that sort of the same
sort of thing that you run into a lot.
Deniz Perry: Yeah.
So I just became passionate about not
ever putting out communications that
are garbage for their audience and I've
practiced it all through my career.
And when I came to my current group,
there wasn't a lot that I needed to
put out, but there's a need inside
of me that wants to do slide sets.
I cannot explain.
It's like a monster.
Who wants to make a slide set?
So when I started the account, instagram
account, that's what just came out of me.
And then I
was ah, I can do whatever.
This is not a job.
I can use whatever color I want.
Uh, you know, if there was like a freedom
and it's just became kind of an obsession,
to be honest in the past six months.
Jesse: Yeah.
Yeah.
I find like what you said, kind of
taking that complex stuff and making it.
Oh, I don't know what the word
digestible or like, easy to
understand for people that don't know.
Maybe don't know all those words or
don't have the time to read through it.
I feel like a lot of what, yeah, the
content you create and similarly, the
content I create, I feel like a lot of
that is what I'm doing is I'm trying to,
like, I'm trying to learn the science
and stuff to really understand a lot
of like the complexity behind that.
And then sort of distill it down into like
something more practical and easy to, so
that you can understand this thing without
having to read the 30 page study and that
I can translate it to a tweet or like
you you'll have like your slide decks.
You'll have like several slides in a
row that really explain, uh, this topic
in a way that's easy for people to
understand and then people can learn.
You know more about how their brain
works, which then once you learn that
it makes it so much easier to just
like, adapt your own behavior in life
and kind of cope with the symptoms or
behaviors or whatever you want to call it.
And yeah.
So like what, why, why did you
decide that when you were going to
do these kinds of slides and stuff on
Instagram, that you were going to be
on ADHD and not for example, on like
the, uh, bio chemistry or whatever.
Deniz Perry: Oh, that's a great question.
Uh, one, which I don't have an answer to.
I'm just going to improvise here, it.
I started by thinking, Hey, I
want to put out something I've
been through so many trainings.
Uh, I have all this information
in my brain that I'm not
actually actively using.
So that's where it started.
I was more like, do people want
to learn about project management?
Do, what do people want to
learn about something useful?
So my earlier posts, I don't know if I
haven't archived those non-specific ones
are a little bit more, kind of project
management it, or, um, I don't know.
very short amount of time showed
me that what I really wanted to
do was a little bit more focused.
And then during that time, I was
also reading tons of ADHD stuff.
And then I started following ADHD
accounts and I thought, um, some of
them were great and some of them were
missing or misleading information.
So I was like, huh, you know, what I
can do is I can actually read stuff,
understand it, and make summaries of it
and feel good about delivering scientific,
you know, checked out information.
And I started in a very kind
of clenching place where I was
like, I had my earlier posts.
I have like sources lists.
Now I throw like the URLs here and there.
No one's, know, going there
and reading it and that's okay.
It's just like, it's been a kind of a
process of learning what Instagram really
is and what what's acceptable and how
much information can people really digest.
Jesse: Yeah, I find it's kind
of a tricky balance, figuring
that sort of stuff out because.
Um, I, I, similarly, I like, I I try to
make sure that everything I say is either
backed up by like hard evidence or studies
or whatever, or it's my own experience.
And I declare it as such.
And I think it's, it's tricky to know,
um, because you could have like the.
Like you could post the studies themselves
on there, but no, one's going to read
them and no one's going to share them.
And no one's going to
learn anything from them.
Like there's like that line you have to
figure out like, how can I, I want, you
know, I want to help people learn about
this and of communicate these things.
I'm learning about ADHD and how
can I do that in a way that isn't
off-putting because it looks like too
science-y or too complex, but also
isn't just like, I've heard people
call it like pop psych, where it's just
like, not really based in anything.
It's just sort of like make you feel good,
like pretend, psychology or like some
people have called like toxic positivity.
Where it's like, make everything
really happy and positive, even though
that's not most people's reality.
And yeah, it's, it's an interesting,
um, I, I mean, I think that's
partly why probably you're drawn
to it, why I'm drawn to it.
Cause it's almost like a game of like,
trying to figure out how can I best,
how can I best learn this so that I
can help people in a way that works.
Deniz Perry: Whenever I have a post out
it's, it's like I read multiple things
first about, uh, one thing about ADHD.
It could be about sleep or whatever.
So I just give myself some pure
just looking around and reading.
And before I post, I try to find actual
studies so that I can put the links them.
And I try to make it into a, like
a digestible theme for the post
itself, because there's so much,
and I find myself writing really big
blogs and, um, they look a mess and
then I work on them to make, make
them just really short and sweet.
And I just realize people don't really
need the whole background information
of every single thing, but you know,
maybe I kind of want to, you know,
when I tell a story, you just go
so far back that it's not needed.
No one needs it.
And it's just like you were saying,
it actually hinders the whole process.
No one's going to be able
to learn anything from that.
Jesse: Right.
Cool.
So I know lately you've posted about
life as an ADHD couple, uh, for me, my,
my wife is neuro-typical and I'm ADHD.
So that's a whole world of navigating.
And for you, you're both ADHD.
So what I'd love to hear kind of,
what that's like kind of dealing
with two of those, a radiant
brains as my friend calls it.
Uh, in the same household and
how you manage, you know, RSD.
I imagine, you know, it's difficult
enough when we have one person
that experiences it in our family.
So yeah.
What, what is that like being
married to someone with similar
sort of brain with ADHD.
Deniz Perry: Yeah, are uh, ADHD isn't the
same necessarily, but similar for sure.
He's medicated most of the
time and I'm never medicated.
Some things are just, you know,
classic meme type of stuff.
Absolutely, we don't want to pay bills.
We don't want to do the appointments
and stuff, but whoever is more
motivated about that will take over
kind of naturally or by both of us,
uh, procrastinating, you know, one of
us will have to do it like an example
is the cars, the cars, emissions test.
We didn't do it to one of the cars
and, uh, we realized four months late.
It's just like, we didn't do it.
It's only 10 minutes away.
We talk about it all the time.
So then online, we, we realized
we can actually push it another
like three months and I'm like,
yay, we have another three months.
We didn't do it.
It's like these things happen.
These are just like, sound like just
random meme stuff, but it's real life.
Bills don't get always paid on time.
Jesse: Do you have any strategies
that sort of help with managing a
household with yeah, two ADHD brains?
Deniz Perry: I mean, we sometimes do this.
We both clean up in just
like these, uh, bursts.
We try to implement like, hey, let's
just do the downstairs before we go
upstairs every night, something like that.
Where we were like a good, uh, team
when we want to do something together,
one of one of us would, uh, encourage
the other one in a, like a team spirit.
So we just get all riled up and do it.
But also I think what works is there
is like this level of compassion that
have done stuff, uh, or piles of things.
From my point of view, at least for
example, my husband's been super nice
and he's painted our whole house since
we moved which also means in an ADHD
household, paint, runs out, or, you know,
you have like the, that what I'm looking
at right now is a half painted wall.
How long is it going to be like that?
I don't care, you know, it'll be done.
So there's just like not a big push or a
feeling like, hey, you haven't done this.
Um so there's, things get
done in their own time.
And sometimes we would like, hey, you
know, we need to do this or whatever.
I think that's just kind
of like the main thing.
There's like a under, current
of little compassion happening.
Um, he'll he leaves stuff out, like milk
on the counter and I'll just put it.
And then if I leave
something, he'll put it.
We don't really talk about it that
much anymore because you know what?
It's just milk.
If it's get ruined, buy a new one.
Jesse: Yeah, I was just gonna say for
me, I think there is a, I wouldn't
say compassion, I'm not going to say
that there's a lack of compassion, but
there, there is a, sometimes like my
wife and I just don't understand each
other because our brains are different.
And so like, like those examples, like
me leaving out the milk or whatever,
like my wife is going to see it.
And like she understands
more now, you know?
Cause we talk about me having ADHD and
stuff, but we were married for 10 years
before we found out that I had ADHD.
And there is just like, she just
didn't understand what my problem was.
And like, for example, really
early on in our marriage, uh, at
some point I can't remember it.
She would, she would
know exactly what it is.
I think it was a hanger or something.
There was like a hanger that I left on
the floor next to like the front door.
And it's like this, like, of
course trivial little thing.
And every day I, she would
look over and see me step over
the hanger and not touch it.
For like, I think she counted
up for like three or four weeks
before she finally put it away.
And she was like, what, why would
he never put this hanger away?
Um, and then there's similar
things of me just like trying to
understand neuro-typical brain.
Cause that doesn't make sense for
how my brain works, but there is the,
there's obviously the other advantage
of like, she takes care of the bills.
And so like that is great.
Like I don't worry about mail,
remember to mail in the electric
bill and things like that.
It reminds me, I posted recently about
like some joke tweet about people like,
hey, people that understand finances
with ADHD, like how do you do it?
And the number one reply I got was
people that said marry an accountant or
marry somebody that's good with money,
because like, that was how they were
able to figure out their finances is
they had a neuro-typical spouse that
just sort of knew how to take care of
it, which I thought was pretty funny.
Deniz Perry: Yeah, we're
definitely not that.
I think just like the periods of, we
need to do this one thing kind of leads
us to, motivate each other in a way.
And like I would do stuff and then he
would be like, oh, she's doing stuff.
I'll do stuff too.
It's just like a weird
kind of, um, synergy.
Can I say synergy without
sounding like a weirdo?
Gosh.
Um,
we struggle with structure and schedules,
but we want the best, obviously for
the kids, you know, we do our best,
but we're not, we're not that family
that operates in a, you know, regular
cadence, like some people like, oh,
it's bedtime, it's bedtime or whatever.
And I'm like, when did
the kids bathe last?
I don't know.
Like, it's like, we're
just trying to do our best.
Everyone's healthy.
That's great.
Everyone's get taken to
wherever they need to do it go.
Um, I am super into not being,
uh, adding extra stress.
So any kind failure
during the daily thing?
I just, uh, I don't care.
Maybe just because of the age.
I don't know.
The older I the less I care, you know?
Jesse: Right.
Like some things just aren't as
important as we make them out to be.
Especially, yeah, when we're younger,
it feels like we have to have
everything, or we're told that we
have to have everything kind of lined
up and then you kind of get a little
bit older and you're like, ah, that
actually doesn't matter all that much.
That's we, that it's fine to avoid
yet doing this thing every single
week or whatever it might be.
Um, cool.
So I think that is a great time
to switch over to shiny objects.
And I'd love to hear just like
one, one or two recommendations
of something that has been, uh,
something you've been enjoying lately.
Maybe it's a movie or a TV show
or music, or maybe you've got a
fidget toy that's just a perfect or
a, I don't know, a new fancy pen.
What is something that's really been,
uh capturing your, uh, interest lately?
Deniz Perry: Okay.
I have two, uh, one is
a TV show that I love.
Uh, it's Mr.
Mayor.
It's a Tina Fey show.
Um, but Ted Danson's in it.
I don't know if people like comedy,
but that's the only thing that
I can consume 20 minutes before.
And if it's funny, then I can watch it.
Jesse: nice.
yeah, I haven't seen Mr.
Mayor, but I keep seeing the promos
for it and I love Ted Danson.
Um, my wife and I just wrapped up
the good place, which was excellent.
So good.
great ending some, so many shows, like
don't stick, the landing at the end?
but the good place was so good.
I love also how they
evolved every single season.
So that was a great show.
I'm I'll have to add Mr.
Mayor to my list because Ted Danson
is a fantastic national treasure.
Deniz Perry: Absolutely.
Did you watch 30 rock?
Because that's kind of, I
watch anything Tina Fey does,
but also Ted Danson was in it.
So it was just like so excited to watch
it and it delivers, uh, there's some
episodes it's just beautifully done.
Oh, so good.
I'm excited for you.
If you haven't watched it.
Jesse: Yeah,
Awesome.
I, I I'll need to check it out.
Uh, I have seen 30 rock.
I haven't seen all of them,
but my wife loves 30 Rock.
She's seen all, all the
seasons several times, I think.
So.
Yeah.
We'll have to add Mr.
Mayor to our watch list and we
just finished The Good Place.
So now we've got like a slot
to fill with the new show.
So maybe that'll be the one.
Deniz Perry: Do it.
Um, and then, um, my second, uh,
shiny object is a play clay for kids.
Uh, first bought it for myself.
Unlike Play-Doh it doesn't go hard.
but it turns out it's a great fidget
toy for a person who sits at their desk
and needs something in their hands.
And the, you know, creative
stuff comes out of it.
It's my thing right now, I ordered
myself a whole box of it and
hid it from the kids because.
Jesse: Yeah.
Deniz Perry: I don't do other
fidget toys necessarily, but I
think this is, this might stick.
Jesse: Awesome.
You've got to find the
one that works for you.
So that's great.
Um, I'll do a quick, uh, shiny object.
I don't know if you, uh,
do video games at all.
I'm a big video video game fan.
Um, and I just recently finished a
game called tunic, which is sort of
this wild mix of, uh, Zelda, and Fez,
and Elden Ring, and Monument Valley.
So it's kind of a weird combination
of all these different games, but it
has, it's got a very cutesy kind of
look, very kind cartoon look, but it's
very, it's full of mystery and puzzles.
It's the kind of game where I had a
little notebook because I was trying
to solve some of the mysteries in
it and like sketching down different
puzzles and stuff like that.
So it's, if you're into particularly the
game Fez, like it's very, even though.
It's not the same type of game.
It's not a side scroller, but
it has that same sort of, trying
to figure out this mystery.
Deniz Perry: I'm actually
writing these down.
Jesse: Awesome.
It's yeah, it's an awesome game.
Highly recommend checking out Tunic.
It looks very simple, but
it looks are deceiving.
So it's, there's a lot
going on in that game.
Deniz Perry: Um, Untitled Goose
Game is being played in my household
right now, but it's in row.
So fun.
I love that art style.
And, uh, obviously I had to like
read about the studio that produced
it to see if there's other ones.
Um, it turns out this was like a side
project or something that took off
and I looked at their other games
and this, this looks like the best.
Jesse: Yeah, that's a done by a Panic.
And they're a really interesting company
because they do, they do like software
for different things, for like, uh, you
know, doing websites and things like that.
But then they also have started
getting into the game world.
So they did Firewatch, which is an
older, independent game that I loved.
It's kind of like a narrative game.
And then yeah.
Then they did Untitled Goose
Game, which is just hilarious
that my kids love that one.
And yeah, I love that one too.
Deniz Perry: Cuz you have
to be horrible person.
Jesse: Yeah.
Yeah.
That's great.
And they actually, that company
Panic, they just released a console.
It's kind of like a little Game
Boy, but it has a crank on the
side, almost like a fishing reel.
Like there's a crank interface.
I dunno.
I ordered one.
I don't have it yet, but I just, they
just announced they're shipping soon.
So I'm, that may be a future, a shiny
object for me to share on the show, but
yeah, it's such an interesting company.
The stuff they do.
awesome.
So we'll have links to all
of those in the show notes.
If you want to check those out and, yeah.
Thank you so much for being here.
This is great.
Deniz Perry: It was awesome meeting
you and chatting with you as well.
Jesse: Yeah.
So where can people follow you?
If they want to see the content
you're creating and stuff like that?
Deniz Perry: Well, I'm on Instagram
and my account is at dt.perry.
And soon I will have a more
rambling YouTube channel for longer
content, but that is to be, done so.
Jesse: Awesome.
Well, we'll have uh,
links to those as well.
And, thanks again for being here.
This is great.
Deniz Perry: All right, have a good one.
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