There's different paths that you
can take with a meditation practice.
There is more of the performance
or athletic based path where you're
trying to improve the mind body
connection, your timing, your awareness.
Get caught up thinking that all
meditation is the same and it's really
not, there's movement practices, sitting
practices, standing meditation, breath
work, philosophical, training exercises
that we do to help expand the mind and
see things from different perspectives
and be more strategic in our lives.
Get involved today and make the move,
make the commitment, it'll be one
of the best things you've ever done.
Just stay consistent with it.
Welcome back to the inspired
living with autoimmunity podcast.
I'm your host, Julie Michelson.
And today we're joined by Jeff
Patterson, who has over 36 years of
experience, practicing and teaching
the meditative and martial arts as the
founder of Northwest fighting arts.
Portland Tai Chi Academy and the
Yielding Warrior, Jeff emphasizes the
transformative power of meditation,
meditative and martial arts practices,
particularly the yielding concept.
In today's conversation, we're
talking about incorporating the
meditative arts into your life.
Jeff shares his vast knowledge and
experience as a guide on how to get
started and how to create a meditative
practice that will serve you in just about
every way you can imagine, and perhaps
some ways you haven't yet thought of.
Jeff, welcome to the podcast.
Hey, thank you for having me.
I am looking forward to
today's conversation.
I'd love for you to share
with listeners your journey.
You know, how did you
become the yielding warrior?
What took you kind of
into this, this world?
Well, I've always, since I
was a young guy, uh, been
interested in the martial arts.
And so at a fairly young age, I got
involved in the martial arts and, you
know, at the time I wasn't interested in
meditation or Tai Chi or Qigong at all.
You know, I just wanted to be
a good martial artist and, and.
Really study that path.
And I remember when I was about 19 years
old, I was going to a boxing gym and
I was very much into Western boxing.
I, I love the thrill, the sport,
the challenge, the intensity.
It was just something that really
challenged me and made me focus.
And so at a, at a boxing gym, it's a
lot different than your traditional
style fitness classes and that
it's not one teacher in front of a
group of students leading a group.
It's usually four or five coaches
running around the gym and each one
of those coaches may have a handful
of fighters that they're working with.
Well, at this one particular gym.
I was, uh, really trying to get
the attention of one of the coaches
who had trained champions in both
amateur and the professional arena.
However, his fight card was full and he
wasn't really taking on any new fighters.
And so I followed him around
for about three or four months.
I'd always show up at the gym when I knew
he was going to be there and work very
hard and try to get them to notice me.
And finally after about three or
four months, he started giving me
some tips and showing me some stuff.
And.
It was only about two or three
weeks of getting to work with
him when he said something to
me that changed my life forever.
And that he said, you know, if you really
want to be a good boxer, you should
start doing meditation and Tai Chi.
Now at the time I'm this 19 year old
kid who doesn't know much of anything
thinking, you know, isn't Tai Chi for
like old people in the park, how's
that going to be a better fighter?
And, you know, I had a
lot of respect for him.
I started following the practice and.
Not only has it changed my life in many
ways through the years, you know, I've
been very fortunate here at the academy.
I've had over 26, 000 students come
through the school in the last 30 years.
And I've heard literally hundreds of
stories of how the meditative arts has
positively influenced people's lives.
And that's, what's made me so passionate
about trying to get the message out
there, writing my last couple of books
and creating my online and my teacher
training program, and just trying to share
this message with as many people as I can.
Well, thank you for that.
Um, and I want to dive in a little bit to
when, when you talk about the meditative
arts, um, listeners have heard in, you
know, many different people, whether
it's in their journey or expert advice of
meditate, find some kind of meditation.
Um, what are the three
types of meditation?
Cause I, I always say like the best
kind is the kind, you know, that
resonates with you that you'll do, right.
That you'll practice.
Um, so let's talk a little bit of, cause
you, I'm, You said you started kind of
meditation and Tai Chi at the same time.
Um, but let's talk about the, the
different, you know, we don't have to
necessarily go sit in a cave somewhere.
Do we?
Not at all.
You know, and a lot of people
think that, you know, within the
meditative arts, I always look at
it as creating an evolving life.
Practice, and there's five
different paths that you can
take with a meditation practice.
There is more of the performance
or athletic based path where you're
trying to improve the mind body
connection, your timing, your awareness.
So it helps improve your performance.
Then there's the therapeutic side
of the practice, which is good for
longevity and working through injuries
and just bringing that body awareness.
Then there's the medical
side of the practice, which.
You know, all of Chinese medicine
is based off of Qigong theory,
which is a meditative art.
Then there's the philosophical side
of the practice and then also the
spiritual side of the practice.
And so anybody coming to a meditation
journey could follow any one or
a combination of those paths.
And a lot of time people I think Get
caught up thinking that all meditation
is the same and it's really not,
you know, there's, there's movement
practices, there's sitting practices,
standing meditation, breath work, there's
philosophical, uh, training exercises
that we do to help expand the mind and
see things from different perspectives
and be more strategic in our, our lives.
And so there's, there's so
many different ways that we
can integrate these practices.
I like breaking them down into kind
of three categories where we have.
Ritual practices, active practices,
and philosophical practices.
And the ritual practice is a time
where you set a little bit of time
aside every day, and it could be a
movement practice or a still practice.
It's where you're not
listening to any audios.
You're not watching any videos and
you're just turning your focus inward.
Then there is active practices.
And these are great because.
You can do them in 60
seconds or two minutes.
You can do them when you're
walking down the street or standing
in line at the grocery store.
And they're a way to bring our awareness
back to the present and be in tune
with our body and our mind throughout
the day, because it doesn't really
make any sense to have a meditation
practice that you do every day.
And feel all at peace and then the
rest of the day you're stressed
and, and, you know, discombobulated.
And so having these different
things to help us and keep
us focused is very important.
And then the last pillar
is philosophical practices.
And these can be both
active or ritual based.
And if you use these to help build
your, um, kind of strategy with the
meditative arts, it really will help
you be successful in the practice.
Can you give us an example of, uh,
you know, active and philosophical
or how and they I'm guessing
could overlap like you said, but.
Yeah, so an example of an active
practice could be something as simple
as just counting out 10 deep breaths.
It could be some spinal rotations or a
simple movement practice, something that
helps bring our awareness back into.
Getting out of our cell phones and
getting off of the screens and just
kind of helping us stay in tune and
in touch with ourselves and then
philosophical practices, you know,
this is one of the things that in my
career I've been very passionate about,
and I really enjoy the philosophical
side of the training because.
It's so good for opening up your
perspective and helping you see
things from different angles.
And, you know, an example could be
something as simple as making sounds
to generate different kinds of
energy and having a purpose behind
that or doing some kind of a mantra.
Or there's different sayings that
we memorize, you know, one of my
old meditation teachers, he had
me memorize the Tao Te Ching,
which is a very famous book.
Um, there's 81 sayings in that.
And it's, you know, you go through
these sayings and you start to see them
and understand them, but you do them
every day and you think about them.
And you know, what you thought they
meant a year ago means something
totally different today, you know,
and so, you know, that's So when you
start to use these and really look
deeply into them, they help you really
open up your vision and so you're
not so narrow minded and focused and
thinking that everything is this one
particular way and so they're, they're
a very powerful part of the practice.
I love that.
That's amazing.
And I, I wanna highlight, and I love
that you said, you know, the, the
ritual practice is really important.
It is a practice and, and that,
you know, setting, I call it sacred
time, but however much time for
whatever your practice is daily.
But you're right, the, some people are
doing it like it's a checklist, right?
Like, oh, I meditated this
morning, and then that's it.
And they don't think.
about any of it until the next day.
So I love that you have those,
the, the different pillars and that
it's, it is, it is a way of life.
Um, but it takes intention, especially to
build and, and, um, if somebody, you know,
hasn't started any of these practices
yet, it may sound like, wow, that's a lot.
You know, it really, it's pretty easy to
integrate into your life, you know, it's,
um, you know, I always tell new students
when they come to the practice that
there's, you know, and through my career,
you know, one of the hardest things that
I've had to face is, How do I get people
to see the value in this practice so
they can make it part of their life and
really benefit from, from the training?
And so I've come up with three questions
or three thoughts that I have people
think about that I feel like if they
really put some time and energy into
these, they can get more out of the
practice and their chances of being
successful are going to increase.
And the first one is, Thinking about
why are you being drawn to the practice?
Do you want to stay healthier
into your later years to
watch your grandkids grow up?
Or maybe you're dealing with a stress
disorder or having panic attacks and
you want to learn how to overcome this.
Or maybe you're an athlete and you want
to improve your performance on the field.
Whatever that is for you.
And then not just think about that surface
level, why, but also think about if you
accomplish this, how is your life going to
change from this day forward by doing this
and say, think about all of the positive
ways that it's going to affect you.
And then also flip the coin and
think, if I don't do this, what are
all the negative things that are
going to affect me by not doing this?
And this gives you a fuel to
kind of help motivate you.
To stay consistent with the
practice, which is the next
important thing to consider
because, you know, we're all human.
We're going to get up one morning,
maybe tomorrow, next week or next month
where that we're going to, the alarm's
going to go off and you're going to be,
ah, I'll just do my practice tomorrow.
I'm going to get a
little extra sleep today.
And if you don't have a good reason
to get up and look forward to this
practice, rather than thinking of it
as a chore that you have to do all
of the time, Then you're never going
to really get deep into the practice.
And so understanding how important that
consistency is, is, is, uh, is really
vital in your development with the
practice, you know, you develop this
discipline and integrity and perseverance
by doing this on a regular basis.
And not only does this affect your
meditation practice, but it also bleeds
over into everything else you do in life.
And then the third thing that
I like people to consider is.
You need to find a guide, somebody that
can help you navigate these waters.
I mean, that's, you know, I've been
studying the meditative arts now
for 36 years and I'm still just
a student learning all the time.
And if you think that you're going to
go onto YouTube and weed through the
millions of videos out there, Or find
an app and think that you're going to
get any kind of depth in the practice.
You're kidding yourself.
You know, I've had students come in here
to the academy that have been self taught
and they've been studying 15, 20 years
and have a fairly disciplined practice,
but they're never any deeper than the
surface level under their practice.
And having somebody help guide you
and show you the shortest path to
accomplish what you want is really.
Valuable, you know, you know, our
lives are short and your time is
valuable and having somebody help
guide you along the way is essential.
And so if you think about these three
things, really having some kind of a depth
in what your why is and understanding
the consistency, having somebody
support you and a guide to navigate
the waters, you can really accomplish
a lot in a fairly short amount of time.
Yeah, I'm so glad you said that.
And, and that being said, also, I
want listeners to really know it.
You don't have to be practicing
for 30 years to feel the impact
on the rest of your life.
Um, specifically, you know, thinking about
my listeners, the, the impact that, that.
Meditative arts can have
on pain and energy, right?
Two big common themes, no matter what kind
of autumn symptoms people struggle with.
Um, you know, people always when they
asked me, you know, well, what did you do?
How did you start to improve your health?
And and I, I didn't do 1 thing at a time.
So it was a combination.
But as far as.
Really moving the needle in the beginning
for me with my, with my pain and energy
was a dedicated meditation practice.
I was definitely one of those people
who thought I'm a bad meditator.
You know, I thought my mind should just
be blank and I should sit there and
that's how it, that's what meditation was.
And so I love that you said
for me, it was finding that.
First meditation guide.
I like that word, um, that resonated
with me that, that, uh, offered a
type of practice that felt doable
at that time when I had a lot of
pain and didn't have energy and
the impact that had on my sleep.
My inflammation, my pain,
my all of it, my healing.
Um, because we can't heal if we're not
getting good sleep was, there's no way
we would be having this conversation now.
I would, I would, if I were still
alive, I definitely would not.
You I'll be doing what I'm doing in life.
So I love that you said that.
I, I think it, you know, we do
it with everything else, right?
If you wanna, I live in Colorado.
If you wanna learn to ski, you're
probably not gonna just throw on
skis and go down the mountain.
You're gonna have a guide.
And so I, I think that's
amazing advice is, is to, you
know, get that guy for sure.
Yeah, you know, and a lot of times,
you know, you mentioned how it's one
of the things that really helped you a
lot of times I'll see people and maybe
they're dealing with a stress disorder
like panic attacks or something and
they'll come and they'll say, yeah, you
know, every time I have a panic attack,
I go practice my breathing strategy
and I ask them about their meditation
practice and they don't have one.
They just try to use these
breathing strategies.
Yeah.
Exercises to help with them when they have
this attack and yeah, you know kind of
like saying, you know, i'm hungry today I
want an apple so i'm gonna go plant a seed
this morning You know You have to nurture
it and you have to build a foundation
in the practice And it doesn't mean that
it takes six years for you to see any
benefits because you'll see benefits from
the first day however That consistency in
that discipline practice is so essential
to really getting any kind of depth.
You know, and one of the most
common things I've heard people
say through the years is, you know,
I, I've tried meditation before,
but it just didn't work for me.
I couldn't quiet my mind, you know, and
somewhere along the way people got this
misguided idea that in order to be good
at meditation, you have to reach the state
of nirvana and have nothing bother you.
And, you know, it couldn't be further
from the truth, you know, further.
The last 36 years, I've been traveling
around the world training with some
very amazing meditation practitioners.
And I have never once met anybody
who doesn't get distracted.
You know, we're all human.
Our brain
is wired that way.
I, you know, I mean, I guess your
final thought will be your final
thought, but until then we're going
to have things pop up for sure.
And that is, it's my favorite.
Meditation myth to dispel because
again, because I, I had that story,
you know, I don't know where I got it.
Um, but, but I love that you, that you
said that and I, I love, I think that
was one of the things that it intrigues
me about you is you incorporate, you
know, it's not all sitting meditation.
Let's talk a little bit about moving
meditation options, because I do
think for some people, um, they
just, they hear the word meditation
and their blood pressure increases.
Stress goes through the roof, right?
Um, what are, what are some maybe
unconventional or, you know,
interesting ways that people
can incorporate meditation that
they may not have thought of?
Well, in the meditative arts, there's
movement practices like tai chi and
qigong and yoga and walking meditations,
different things that you can do to get
some movement going and a lot of times
if somebody has a difficult time thinking
about sitting in one place for 20 minutes,
I'll recommend let's step into a movement
practice like qigong and and get it.
To that mind body connection and learn how
to tap into the breath and start energy,
start learning how to circulate the energy
in the body and make these connections
because sometimes for those people who,
like you said, get stressed out when
they think about it, doing a movement
practice is an easy way to step into it,
you know, and it doesn't matter what it
Meditation style you do, whether it's a
movement or still practice or breath work
or whatever it is, there's basically five
underlying foundational principles that
you cultivate in any meditation journey.
And so I like people to really have a
clear understanding of these because
I feel that if you do, you can see
how meditation can affect any area of
your life and they are regulating the
body, regulating the breath, regulating
the mind, regulating the energy.
And regulating the spirit and briefly,
I'll kind of touch on what I mean
when I say these, so regulating the
body is the easiest one to start with.
And it's basically understanding
your skeletal alignment, your
muscular tension, and how that
affects your energetic states.
So, for example, say that.
You've been sitting in front of your
computer for three or four hours, and
you're feeling very depleted, and you're
maybe your neck's getting sore, and then
think about another time when maybe the
most important person in your world walks
in the room, and your body perks up, and
you feel like you're on top of the world.
Well, these two different energetic
states We're in a hundred percent
control of all day, every day.
And so understanding how to
regulate that is very important.
You know, when we start to feel depressed
and our shoulders are rounded forward,
and we're hunching forward and we're
breathing shallowly, just changing our
physiology can help change that state.
And then the next regulation is the
breath, and the breath is a very deep
topic, and in fact Qigong is often
referred to as the science of the breath,
because there's literally hundreds
of different breathing strategies.
And because of that, we kind
of broadly categorize them into
Yin methods and Yang methods.
Yin methods are often deeper, more
holistic style of meditations that we can
do to work with depression or anxiety or
panic attacks or boosting our creativity.
And an example of a Yin breath would be
If you ever listen to somebody sleep,
their natural breathing pattern is a
longer inhale and a shorter exhale.
And this is the body's natural way of
bringing your conscious mind into your
subconscious mind, which is where we
are when we're sleeping and dreaming.
And so if we want to emulate that
inward draw of energy in the body,
we can do longer inhales, soft
retentions at the end of the inhale
to help bring that energy inward.
Then we have the yang side of the
breath, which is more aggressive.
And an example of that would be if
you've ever had to push your car,
you pick up something heavy, your
natural instinct is to exhale and put
tension in the breath, make it audible.
And this helps generate energy and power.
And so when we understand how to
use the breath as a strategy in our
ritual and active practices, we can
now regulate our physical, mental, and
emotional wellbeing with our breath.
You know, everybody goes through the
day with emotional ups and downs,
some people may be more like a roller
coaster, others may be a little more
balanced, but when you start to see
these imbalances, and you start to get
excited, we can use the Yin side of the
breath to help bring it back down, and
we start feeling depleted, we can use
the Yang side to help build us back up.
Then we have regulating the mind, and this
is a very deep topic and something that
you'll study for the rest of your life.
We touched on this a little bit
with distractions and meditation.
And, you know, say for example,
you're sitting for 20 minutes or
doing a movement practice like Tai
Chi, and you get distracted 50 times
during that session, every time you
get distracted, if you recognize
that imbalance and use your posture,
your breath, your movement to help.
Come back to focus.
You just got 50 repetitions on how to be
off center and coming back to balance.
And if you do this every day, every
month, every year, you start to
develop this power and this ability
to find that center and to be
more focused throughout your day.
You know, there's this, uh, This story
that I really enjoy about these two old
monks, and they're walking down this
dirt road after a huge rainstorm, and
they come up to this big mud puddle, and
on the other side of the puddle is this
beautiful little girl standing there
in a white dress, and she's crying.
And the older monk, he yells across the
puddle and says, Is everything okay?
Can we help you?
And she says, I need to be somewhere,
but If I walk across this puddle,
I'm going to get my dress all dirty.
And so the older monk, he rolls up
his pant legs and he walks across the
puddle and picks her up, puts her on
his back, takes her to the other side,
drops her off, and she's off on her way.
Well, him and the younger monk are
walking a couple miles down the road.
And finally, the younger
monk is just furious.
And he says, you know, we're not
supposed to touch girls, but you
did back there at the puddle.
And the older monk says, You're
still thinking about that girl.
I left her back there at the puddle.
And how many times in life do we
need to get two miles down the muddy
road before we realize that this
imbalance and we need to let go of it.
And so regulating the mind is a
very important part of the practice.
And then the fourth regulation
regulating the energy is another
extremely deep topic and something
that we could spend hours on.
But just a brief idea is.
Once we've reached a competent level in
regulating the body, the breath and the
mind, we now have the tools to circulate
the energy in the body, to lead it inward,
to extend it outward, to get different
energetic expressions within our practice.
And then the last regulation, regulating
the spirit, is a very profound idea
and something that meditation masters
and monks will spend their entire
life's journey working towards that
ultimate stage of enlightenment.
But when you understand these five
underlying principles of the practice,
you can see that a meditation
journey can affect everything we do
in life and is extremely valuable.
Amen.
I can't, I want to underscore
literally everything you said.
Um, and, and I think back to this idea
that, you know, our misconception of
what being a good meditator is, um, it
is, Like you said, that ripple effect,
um, is, is invaluable and I can't
stress enough whether, especially for
listeners, I mean, even if, I think
there's this, Pattern that tends to
happen with people that are fighting
chronic symptoms where they start to feel
powerless or, you know, their body's not
doing what they want and, and meditation
and learning to control what's going
on in your body is, is so empowering.
Um, and then it becomes
empowering just in life, right?
Not just with how am I feeling?
Um, I always say it
gives you a pause button.
Um, and, and, you know, To not, you know,
if you're somebody who tends to have a
reactive personality or, um, or even not
it just even still if even if you have a
pause button, it gives you a longer one.
It's that alternative perspective
you were mentioning earlier.
Um, and I so I just love the Your
depth of knowledge and, and that
kind of coach approach that you take.
I was like, Oh, he's definitely a coach.
Just, you know, finding your why and your
why can change over time, but find your
why of, you know, why I guess my question
to listeners would be, why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't you create a practice
that, that supports, you know,
every, I always say it makes you,
you know, just a better human, right?
A better partner, a better
friend, a better spouse,
whatever, fill in the blank.
Like we just become better humans
when we're, We are able to, to
control what's going on inside.
Um, and I love that you mentioned the,
the, cause I have a lot of clients
who will say, Oh, I, I do breathing
exercises when I'm stressed out.
So I love that that was your example.
Cause to me, That's that same band aid
of, you know, like the Western medicine
approach of, Hey, we'll, we'll give you
a medication for the symptom, right.
To make the symptom go away.
Why not prevent the panic attack?
If you can, let's work on that
instead of, Oh, you know, it's okay.
I manage I'll breathe when
this happens or all X, one Y.
Um, and, and so, you know,
what, what an incredible.
journey you have to share with people.
Tell, tell us a little bit about how, you
know, people can get started with you.
You mentioned the importance of
a guide, which is what you do.
Um, how does that work?
What are some of the different options?
Yeah, so right now, um, if you go
to my website, the yielding warrior.
com, we have an online meditation program
that teaches you how to build an evolving
life practice with the meditative arts.
Also, if you kind of like this philosophy
and are resonating with some of the things
that we're talking about, my most recent
book, the yielding warrior, I'm giving
away a free copy of that on the website.
If you go to the yielding warrior.
com forward slash book, um, and just
pay for shipping and handling, we'll
send you out a free copy of the book.
Also on that website, we have
a teacher training program.
So for those of you out there that may be.
Have a yoga studio or a martial arts
studio, or maybe you're a life coach
and you want to learn how to integrate
this and be able to kind of write
prescriptions with some of these different
practices and help people understand
how to build an evolving life practice.
There's that avenue as well.
Amazing.
And so I'm curious in, in your journey,
like what were your first practices
and were you hooked right away?
No, not at all.
You know, I, I, uh, um, I had a lot
of respect for my old boxing coach.
And when he told me to do the practice,
I did it religiously, but for a
while I wasn't resonating with it.
You know, I wasn't making the connection.
I wasn't seeing the value.
And then one day I went down to
my basement and I looked up at the
clock and an hour and a half had gone
by and it felt like 15 minutes in.
From that point forward, I was
hooked, you know, I had this euphoric
sensation of my practice and, you
know, I was being pretty disciplined.
It was about six months
into my practice and.
From that point, my whole shift changed
and, you know, I kind of moved from having
boxing be my main thing to the meditative
arts be my main thing and really started
following that passion and that journey.
And, um, I'll always be grateful to
him for turning me onto that path.
And you were young when you started, is
it ever too late to, to create a practice?
You know, I have students coming
into the academy here that don't
start until they're in their 80s,
you know, and it, it, you know, from
day one, you can reap the benefits.
It's just, if you have the discipline
and make it a priority and do a
little bit every day, you can get a
lot out of it at any stage in life.
And it is.
It's such a gift.
Like, I really do believe not just
to yourself and our experience of our
lifetime, but everybody that we come
in contact with really can feel, you
know, you talk about the energy and we
really impact each other with energy.
And so it is that kind of gift
that keeps on giving for sure.
Yes.
So we're at the point in the conversation
where listeners are leaning in because
they know I am going to ask you for
one step that they can take starting
today to improve their health.
I would say to go through
that list of three things that
I told you to think about.
What is your why?
Understand the consistency
and find yourself a guide.
And if you do that and get involved
today and make the move, make
the commitment, it'll be one of
the best things you've ever done.
Just stay consistent with it.
Make sure you make it a way of
life and make it part of your day.
And you know, I like I said, I've
had thousands of students through the
years and everybody that I've had come
through the academy or through my online
programs that listen to this advice
and they do a ritual practice every day
for at least a year and do some active
practices and philosophical practices
and integrate this into their life.
They'll do this practice for the rest
of their life because they'll see
so many benefits from the practice
that they would be crazy to stop.
And so make the commitment,
do this, get in, get involved.
And I promise you, you'll
never regret the choice.
I love that.
And I love that you start with what is
your, why the coach and me just, you know,
that's the only way for us to create.
change is to understand our why
and, and be able to call on it.
Like you said, on those days
when the alarm clock goes off and
you think, ah, maybe not today.
And then you get up and do it anyway.
So Jeff, I so appreciate you sharing
your wisdom and, and your offer for
listeners to, to go get your free book.
Um, I, I know I'm going to repeat.
Usually I ask where's the
best place to find you.
Um, but I know it's the,
the yielding warrior.
com.
Um, it'll be in the show notes as
well, but for those that just like
to listen on the go, um, really
appreciate your contribution today.
Well, thanks for having me.
My pleasure for everyone listening.
Remember you can get those transcripts and
show notes by visiting inspired living.
show.
I hope you had a great time and
enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
If you don't already have your
practice, start your practice.
I'll see you next week.