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What if you could get more of what you want in life? But not through pushing, forcing, or pressure.
You can.
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And Kate Northrup, Bestselling Author of Money: A Love Story and Do Less and host of Plenty, is here to help you expand your capacity to receive all of the best.
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Pull up a chair every week with top thought leaders, luminaries, and adventurers to learn how to have more abundance with ease.
I really feel like what knocks most of us off the path to creating whatever we say we want is that we keep using external definitions and looking for external validation to take our next best step. And it always comes from within. Yes. Above and within.
Kate Northrup:Hi. I'm so excited for you to meet my incredible friend, Patrice Washington. She runs a company called Seek Wisdom, and she is all about chasing purpose, not money. And in today's episode, we got to have a real catch up about how her life has transformed in recent years, post divorce, really evolving her platform from being primarily a financial personal finance expert in the media to now really diving deeper with people on personal development. She told me some really heartbreaking and yet also beautiful stories from her early days, how she lost everything after building a 7 figure business by the age of 25, and how she rebuilt.
Kate Northrup:It is such a beautiful episode for anyone who is really wanting to create wealth on all possible levels. Enjoy the conversation with Patrice. Welcome to Plenty. I'm your host Kate Northrup, and together we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty.
Kate Northrup:Let's go fill our cups.
[voiceover]:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrup brand.
Kate Northrup:Patrice, thanks for coming on my podcast finally. I'm gonna say finally. Well, I feel like I've been asking you for a long time, but in reality, I've had the podcast for just barely over a year, so it can't have been for that long.
Patrice Washington:It seems like you've had it forever.
Kate Northrup:Well, we, you know, we did have another one on the same feed starting in 2016. So it's not like I'm new, but this is like re we we did four years, then we took a four year break.
Patrice Washington:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Then I came back with this.
Patrice Washington:And it's wonderful. It's beautiful here.
Kate Northrup:Thanks for coming to my little Womb Studio. Okay. So I saw you do this really great kind of instant deep dive conversation holding your community's toes to the fire recently around the ways in which we outsource our power or give away our power during, you know, big world events.
Patrice Washington:Namely election season.
Kate Northrup:Namely election season. And, I am blessed to be in a family with people on completely opposite ends of the spectrum, which is very common for many people. And depending on who you talk to, you know, the sky is following or it's the best time ever. And it's like people are just literally living in different realities that are, mitigated and, how do I wanna say, swept away by whatever the media narrative is or whatever the world event is. So I'm curious.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. In this season, we just had a big election in The United States, but just in general, because world events are never going to stop happening. Right. What's your wisdom? What's your practice for staying centered and grounded in the truth of, like, the power inside?
Patrice Washington:For me, it's just to know that my purpose is never postponed because of what's going on in the outside world. I truly believe that we were all born with purpose, on purpose, for purpose. And no matter what's going on, there's something that we still are supposed to contribute, to do our part, to keep things, I think, flowing and being a part of the the optimistic, crew. And, yeah. I'm just like vision is not void no matter what is happening in the world.
Patrice Washington:And it's not to say that I'm not aware, but I think sometimes we can overwhelm ourselves with all of these different ideas, thoughts, opinions, just the noise, and then lose focus. Like, just lose focus on what we are supposed to be doing, what we're supposed to contribute, how we're supposed to take care of ourselves. And I'm just not here for it. Like, I'm just people are like, you should be watching the new no. I shouldn't.
Patrice Washington:Not if it's going to cause me to I will say there's a story in the Bible. It's it's, Nehemiah. And it talks about Nehemiah, having a vision to rebuild the Wall Of Jerusalem. And so while he's rebuilding this wall, he's leading people, he's doing all the things. People keep coming to distract him.
Patrice Washington:They're distracting him with the news of things that are going on inside the wall, outside the wall. They're inviting him to lunch. They're wanting to have friendly conversation debates. And he says, I'm doing a good work and I cannot come down. And that's what I felt during this entire election season where I also have friends and family that are different sides and, you know, all these things and there's so many conversations going on.
Patrice Washington:And then I think about the people that I'm called to serve and the community that I'm called to hold space for. And when I look at those people and I look at what I feel genuinely like I'm being led to do, all I keep saying to myself is, Patrice, you were doing a good work and you cannot come down. You can't come down to argue with people on social media. You can't come down to unfriend every person that you think doesn't have the same opinion. You cannot come down to get consumed with the news and all this doom and gloom, you can't come down.
Patrice Washington:There's still people you're called to serve. So what are you gonna do? And how are you going to take care of yourself in this season to make sure if everyone else is falling apart around you, you can be the one Yeah. You know, sound voice. So that's how I looked at it.
Kate Northrup:I love that. So let's talk about boundaries then because this is a conversation about boundaries. So there's, like, tech boundaries. There's boundaries in conversation. There's time boundaries.
Kate Northrup:And I just wanna know what are some of the boundaries that you have in your life and in your work right now that are your tried and true, that are, you would you would not break down on for any reason.
Patrice Washington:Mhmm. So first of all, Sherry Salata taught me governing decisions. So I don't even really see things as boundaries anymore. I really see it more as governing decisions. So before we think about a specific scenario or a person or relationship, already knowing that this is who I want to be or this is how I want to be treated or this is what I want to experience so that these things never get, compromised because, oh, it's my mom.
Patrice Washington:Oh, it's my friend. Oh, this is someone I've known since high school. Having governing decisions just means this is what it is. So I'll just start with that. Right.
Patrice Washington:So the governing decisions, I think, I would say, that I've had and held, especially in a season like this, is first of all, at redefining wealth, we have the six pillars of wealth. And so I tend to talk about things and schedule my life by the pillars. And so first and foremost, the fifth pillar for us is about becoming your best self. And so in the fifth pillar, governing decision is just I don't get to, like, take a break from therapy. I know some people can go in and out.
Patrice Washington:I'm not one of those people. Every time I try, I'm like, ah, you probably should get back in and talk to someone. So making sure that mentally, I'm always supported through either through therapy and also coaches and that type of thing. Faith pillar, grounding myself through prayer, through meditation, through journaling, just keeping those practices have been really good, and that's not one of those things I'm willing to compromise for people. Like, I had a prayer room in every home I've had for, like, the last ten years, and it is literally one of those spaces where do not cross this line.
Patrice Washington:You're not actually invited in here. This space is sacred to me. And so what goes on in here, I want you to be able to feel feel the energy or the essence of what happens in this space, but you need to feel it from the doorway because you can't come in. Mhmm. Like, I just have very specific routines and rituals and practices that I do my best not to compromise.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you gave us two pillars. What are the other four?
Patrice Washington:Oh, other four. Yeah. People pillars while creating relationships that matter. I would say a big one for for me is recognizing that there's always someone watching you who has the power to bless you, but who do they watch you be? Like, how do they watch you show up?
Patrice Washington:And so I would say a big governing decision for me when it comes to the people pillars, kind of a cross between that and work in this season of my life, is not funding frustration. Not dealing with people that frustrate the hell out of me. K? I just can't anymore. I've been, historically one of those, like, you know, what what what do they say when you're trying to see the best in people?
Patrice Washington:You're always trying to, like Yeah. Give people the benefit of the doubt. Uh-huh. And I do have to give a disclaimer. I just came off a seven day cruise, you guys, and my brain is mush.
Patrice Washington:I'm only here for Kate. So, anyway,
Kate Northrup:you're you're doing it
Patrice Washington:perfectly. My brain is like, you still want to be on the cruise drinking
Kate Northrup:champagne?
Patrice Washington:Okay. But Yeah. Giving people the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. You know?
Patrice Washington:Which is
Kate Northrup:a beautiful quality. It's cute.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. No. I don't think so. Well I think that sometimes you can do that to a fault. Absolutely.
Patrice Washington:I think
Kate Northrup:our best qualities are frequently also our worst qualities.
Patrice Washington:This has definitely been one of my worst. I have to say, when I look back over my life, historically, what I realized is that I've had a history of romanticizing people. And so in this season, I'm definitely, you know, holding the governing decision that I will not romanticize who people are in relationship. Yeah. Right?
Patrice Washington:Whether that's a friend or a romantic partner or a parent, a sibling. I I literally do not care who it is because it's a governing decision. And so I won't romanticize people anymore and do this like, well, they didn't grow up with a dad, and they didn't they, you know, because they didn't we weren't raised the way I went. Okay. The best thing about childhood is that it's over.
Patrice Washington:So now we're all adults here, and we get to choose.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. After 35, it can't be about your parents anymore. Probably after 20.
Patrice Washington:You were being kind. I'm giving you a smooth 27 and a half.
Kate Northrup:I love that. Yeah. Right about that Saturn return, it's like buck up and be an adult.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Alright. So we have we have fit, faith, people.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. We have space. It's about setting up your life to support you. I would say one of my governing decisions is, like, take care of my shit. Like, I just like my space to be what it is, and I think that got even worse having one child who was very my child was very proper as well.
Patrice Washington:So it was really Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Easy. What a blessing. What a blessing. In the space category. I will say I I I'm just like, oh my gosh.
Kate Northrup:If I did not have children, my home would be so much more exquisite. But I just have had to surrender a little bit, but only a little bit because I I teach my girls, like, you know, we live in a condo here in Miami, so it's like we don't have endless space to fill in. So we've been really devotional about what we allow in and also being real fast to let things go.
Patrice Washington:But I will say I was having a conversation with my daughter who's 17 now, maybe a month ago or so, And she was like, you know, we've always had very beautiful homes, but I don't feel like it was child friendly. Oh. Yeah. Wow. She told me that's what she would do differently when she has children.
Patrice Washington:And I said, good for you. Right. I love that for you. I love
Kate Northrup:that for you. And she said,
Patrice Washington:you know, that when you walked in my house, you just couldn't tell if a child lived there until you went to her room. Uh-huh. But I was like, this is my house. I'm just letting you stay here.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Well, but, also, that's not wrong. I mean, she's my girls all the time. They're like, well, it's my house too, and I'm like, yeah. But I pay for it.
Patrice Washington:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Right? So, like, when you have your house, you get to make your own decisions. And right now, you live in my house. And, also, it's your job to contribute Yeah. To this household because we are a community.
Kate Northrup:And so, yeah, we are and and when you live in a smaller space, like, there's not all this flexibility. Yeah. And now we have two more pillars.
Patrice Washington:So we have work pillar. It's about living your life's purpose. I would say a governing decision for me has been my mantra, which is chase purpose, not money. Like, I have just historically been someone where, of course, we make money, we manage money, we invest money, all those things, but I don't make every decision just based on the money that I can make. I really do just really seek to see, like, does this align with who I wanna be in the world?
Patrice Washington:Is this something that my daughter would be proud of? Is this something I would you know, giving advice? Like, I can tell you one story back in the day. I was on the Steve Harvey morning show, you know, that on radio for several years. But before I ended up on the TV show, they reached out a producer reached out and said, hey.
Patrice Washington:We would love for you, to finally also be on the TV show. We've been looking for an opportunity for you. This will be great. And so we have a sponsor. They're gonna pay you $15,000 for, like, a less than ten minute segment.
Patrice Washington:And I'm like, well, who wouldn't say yes to that? Like, okay. So I go, cool. Is there a script or anything? Yeah.
Patrice Washington:We'll send you the script, but this is a sure thing. They send me the script. I read it, and I'm like, I would never say this to a friend. I would never give my daughter this type of advice. I just can't do it.
Patrice Washington:So I sent them an email back, and I said, well, I like the beginning. But at the end, can Steve say that? They said, no. They need the financial expert to say that. And I said immediately replied, okay.
Patrice Washington:Well, I won't be able to do it. And the producer calls me back. She's like, are you kidding me right now? You're turning down $15,000 for less than ten minutes to you're gonna come to Chicago. And I'm like, no.
Patrice Washington:I wouldn't say that to my daughter. I just would not give that advice to a woman that I loved. So, no, I can't do it. And they thought I was crazy. Mhmm.
Patrice Washington:And I didn't I didn't lose any sleep about it. Yeah. I knew it was the right thing. I was like, okay. Whatever.
Patrice Washington:I didn't spend all these years building up this reputation to allow it to unravel for $15,000, or I wouldn't care what the amount of money is, but in that moment. And so some months went by. They went on. They did the segment with someone else. And some months go on, and they reach back out maybe three, four months later.
Patrice Washington:And they're like, hey. We have another opportunity for you to come on the show. And I'm like, okay. And it's a sponsor, and I was like, here we go. Alright.
Patrice Washington:And then they send the script, and I'm like they go, you can fill in most of it. They just they just want you to say this one line, but everything else, it's you can do what you want. And I'm like, oh, well, wonderful. And that was how I ended up on national television.
Kate Northrup:Oh, wow.
Patrice Washington:But I remember leading up to that, the whole conversation from other people around that time constantly being like, you missed your shot. That was a thing. You missed your shot. That was your break. Like, what if they go with the other person full time?
Patrice Washington:But when I did get on the show, I ended up being their consistent finance expert Because you
Kate Northrup:know what? The truth is magnetic. Yeah. And, like, people increasingly, I think, are being drawn to integrity. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Increasingly. Increasingly. You know, like, I We're working on it. I wanna affirm that. But I I love that choice, and I think it's a bold it's a bold move, and I know that was, like, a while ago.
Kate Northrup:Right? Like, that that was a a career maker for you. Yeah. And I want people to hear that. Like, nothing is ever worth sacrificing our integrity for the money.
Kate Northrup:Nothing is ever worth doing for the money if you don't wanna do it, if it doesn't feel true to you. That's really powerful. Okay.
Patrice Washington:Last pillar. It's money. Just attracting the prosperity you desire. Amazing.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Do you think that around this conversation around purpose? Right? So seek no. Chase money.
Kate Northrup:Chase no. Chase chase money, not purpose. Chase purpose, not money. Okay.
Patrice Washington:Chase purpose. On vacation?
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I mean, basically. I don't I don't drink, believe it or not. But You shouldn't. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:No. Absolutely not. You should not. Okay. So with purpose, like, do you think that people have a purpose like my purpose is to be a painter or my purpose is to be a storyteller like that?
Kate Northrup:Or is your understanding an of purpose different than, like, being so specific?
Patrice Washington:My understanding is different because I believe purpose evolves. So even with the examples that you gave, those are just job titles. Yeah. Right? So I don't believe at all that it's just about the job title because those are just modalities, and you can find different ways to exercise the same essence in the world.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:And you get to choose based on your education, your experience, the other things that light you up. But here's what I've been saying for years, Kate. First of all, I hate when people say, follow your passion and the money will come. That gets on my absolute nerve because I believe that you can be passionate about something and not proficient in it. Mhmm.
Patrice Washington:And so passion is about what lights you up, what excites you, what energizes you, and that's amazing. But just because you are excited about it, like, I'm excited to sing in the shower, you will not pay me to hear me sing. I won't even be a lounge singer on a floor.
Kate Northrup:Feel like you would be a good singer. No?
Patrice Washington:No. No. Okay. Choir voice all the way. I have to blend in with the belt.
Patrice Washington:AD Altos. Yeah. No. Right? So I can be passionate about it but not necessarily proficient.
Patrice Washington:And so for me, passion is about what excites you. It becomes purpose when it is a blessing to others. So how can you use, your gifts, your talents, your skill set to be a blessing to others? I believe that when we truly, quote, unquote, find our purpose and I wanna say I don't think anyone is, like like, purpose is hiding from people. Mhmm.
Patrice Washington:So we're like, oh, I have to find my purpose. It's not hiding. I think it's something we just have to embrace. Yeah. And they're the things that come to us naturally.
Patrice Washington:And when we see how it is a blessing to others, that's usually the thing that fills the void. It feels that it gives you the fulfillment that, wow, I'm doing something that impacts others. To me, that's purpose Mhmm. When you see how other people can relate to what you offer and contribute to the world.
Kate Northrup:And do you think that when you fill your life in that way, the money does tend to come
Patrice Washington:I do. Or not? Yeah. I I believe that it can. I believe that we still all have, you know, financial blueprints and money mindsets, and we have money blockers that can prevent it.
Patrice Washington:But I do think we're more apt to get it when we're operating from this place of pure joy Mhmm. And, like, bliss. I'm like, oh, I am good. Like, I love when I'm teaching and I get off of a a call and I go downstairs and I tell my honey, I am the bomb. I just did that.
Patrice Washington:Those ladies were on fire. Like, that was
Kate Northrup:so good. On your call, and you are so good.
Patrice Washington:It's a blessing.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. I remember the one I guested on, like, many years ago, and I literally closed the Zoom. And I was like, my face hurts. I'm smiling so hard.
Kate Northrup:Like, the whole time, I was like, like, this is not good.
Patrice Washington:But I but I'm like, I'm so energized when I
Kate Northrup:see You're clearly
Patrice Washington:limiting your purpose. Matter what I'm teaching about, and that's the thing.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:Like, a part of my purpose is just to bring ahas to people.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:I I genuinely believe that. It's to help people see their own purpose, see their own light. It's to help women find their own voice. I feel like purpose evolves.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:And when I was younger, I did think it was just, like, go to school, get a good job, and fulfill your purpose here. But my purpose is not to work and die. Absolutely not. And you taught me it's not about being a slave to the algorithm. You you said that to me.
Kate Northrup:I don't know that I use those exact words.
Patrice Washington:You said that. But really?
Kate Northrup:Yes. Because I've been
Patrice Washington:saying it ever since. Yes.
Kate Northrup:I think of you. What I said was I work for the goddess, not the algorithm, which is probably not words you would say.
Patrice Washington:No. I'm not talking about what you say publicly. I'm talking about what you told me.
Kate Northrup:Alright. Maybe I said that. Maybe I did, but I'm glad that it was useful. It was. Right.
Kate Northrup:No. Because that's not no. It's like a computer. Like, that's not and and, I mean, obviously, like, we're both here in service to the divine, you know, to God, however however each person understands that. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:I wanna go back and ask you, how is it that you became, a well known money expert in the media? Okay. I don't actually know that story, and I'm curious.
Patrice Washington:Let's see. In the media Yeah. It's really not a sexy story.
Kate Northrup:Or just even in general. It doesn't have
Patrice Washington:to be an idea. It's not a sexy story at all. So I don't know if you remember my backstory, but I owned a real estate and mortgage brokerage straight out of college, 7 figure business by 25 years old. I literally thought it would go on forever, and it did not.
Kate Northrup:Was it
Patrice Washington:it was
Kate Northrup:02/8?
Patrice Washington:Yeah. The recession hit. And, actually, when that real estate bubble was bursting, I was on hospital bed rest. So I took a fall down the stairs at twenty weeks pregnant. And when I got to the emergency room, they said, ma'am, this baby's coming any minute now.
Patrice Washington:There's nothing we can do. And I literally thought I lost my daughter at that moment, but I ended up on hospital bed rest for ten weeks. And while I was at Cedars Sinai on hospital bed rest, I was watching the news every day, and the banks were closing down left and right. At the time, I had 16 loan officers and real estate agents, and they were calling me freaking out. What are we gonna do?
Patrice Washington:The deals are falling apart. And my doctor came in one day, and she said, hey. The belt that's around your waist is monitoring the baby. If you don't stop stressing out about whatever you're stressing about out about, you will leave here two years in a row with no baby because I did have a son the year before, same hospital, same floor, same doctor, and he passed after five hours in my arms. And so that was my entry point into personal finance in general.
Patrice Washington:It was because I owned a real estate and mortgage company, and I was going all over Southern California teaching. See how that evolved? I was teaching back then, lighting people up, giving them moments, giving them hope about being able to own their first their first homes. And, yeah, I was teaching for years, and that's what Wow. You're crying.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Patrice Washington:That was the entry point. So, you know, even in sharing that, you can see how my purpose has evolved. Yeah. I thought it was just, oh, I'm a real estate broker. It was never that.
Kate Northrup:No.
Patrice Washington:It was never gonna just be that. And I think that's where we get stuck, not allowing ourselves to evolve, not allowing ourselves to pivot to sometimes the pivot is forced. Right? In this case, clearly, it was. Case, it it was a forced pivot.
Patrice Washington:But I have pivoted multiple times since then, you know, going from that to losing everything. When I got out of the hospital,
Kate Northrup:how many weeks was it that she was born?
Patrice Washington:My daughter was born ten weeks early. So she was still
Kate Northrup:thirty weeks. She was still there. For ten weeks?
Patrice Washington:I was on Verus for ten, and she was born ten weeks early. She spent three and a half weeks in the NICU. And so when we left, I had almost $400,000 in medical debt, no deals closed, and we were exhausting savings trying to keep everything afloat. So within a year, I went from this 7 figure business to literally scraping up change. Sold everything that we could on Craigslist in a weekend and fled from Southern California to Metairie, Louisiana.
Patrice Washington:Okay. Yeah. Because I owned a property there Okay. And thought, okay. Well, we'll just finish the rehab on it.
Patrice Washington:We can live in it and rent it out or sell it or and so we had been sending money to a contractor. K. We get to Metairie, Louisiana.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Patrice Washington:My former husband and I and this less than year old baby. And there were squatters in our property. The pictures that they were sending us were not our home, and we had nowhere to go. We end up moving into this 600 square foot apartment in, in Metairie. And, that's where I have what I call my come to Jesus moment.
Patrice Washington:Have you ever had a come to Jesus moment?
Kate Northrup:Many
Patrice Washington:ugly cry. Just a yeah. This is where I ended up on, food stamps. I got a a EBT card. Mhmm.
Patrice Washington:I went to the welfare office and cried in the, I don't belong here. Yeah. And the lady is like, do you want this card or not? Because we've got a line. I'm like, well, give me the card, but I don't belong here.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. Yeah. Like, every every government assistance program I could potentially get, I got there. We were getting eviction notices every single month and the straw that broke the camel's back. This is what led me to the come to Jesus moment.
Patrice Washington:In the house with the baby and the lights just go off. And I'm like, oh my goodness. Because we didn't pay the bills. And I run outside with my baby on my hip and chase down this power man. And literally, I'm, like, begging with this man to turn the lights back on.
Patrice Washington:And he's like, man, they gonna come back. They'll be back in a day or two. But he took pity on me. I'm like, I don't have the money to get more milk if my daughter's milk spoils. Like, please.
Patrice Washington:Mhmm. And, yeah. And so I went back to the house. He turns it on, and my former husband came. He got the baby, took her on a walk, and I just got in the mirror.
Patrice Washington:And I'm like, god. Why me? Like, I've been a good person. I treat people well. I'm kind.
Patrice Washington:I operate in integrity. Like, why would this be happening to me? And why would you let this happen when I have a baby? Like, I've been doing so well all up until this point. And so why now with another person to be responsible for?
Patrice Washington:Would you allow this? You know? And I'm, like, in the mirror, and I'm talking to god or myself. I don't know. And I was crying, and then I was sobbing, and then I was just ugly crying, snotting.
Patrice Washington:You know? And then before I knew it, I was on the floor in fetal position, with my forehead on the linoleum. And I'm like, you gotta do something. You gotta tell me something because this can't be it. And I heard what I refer to as that still small voice, that nudge, to get my Bible.
Patrice Washington:So I got my Bible, and I ended up on a scripture, Proverbs seventeen sixteen, and it said, what good is money in the hands of a fool if they have no desire to seek wisdom? That's why my name on Instagram is seek wisdom. What good is money in the hands of a fool if they have no desire to seek wisdom? And that was the first time it occurred to me that I had been very smart and, you know, intelligent. I went to the University of Southern California and graduated, you know, on the dean's list and all these things.
Patrice Washington:And I had been confusing information and education with wisdom. Yeah. And knowledge is the information, the education, but wisdom is how do you apply it and when do you apply it. It was the first time it dawned on me. We went through that entire ordeal and no one ever knew.
Patrice Washington:Our friends and family just thought that we politely moved to Louisiana Wow. For some opportunity that we probably made up at that time, honestly, out of embarrassment and guilt.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:But and guilt because we were the ones that made it. And then here we are in this position, and we have this baby. And it was just a lot of shame and embarrassment. And so we waited. I waited, until our back was up against the wall to even utter that there was a problem.
Patrice Washington:And I believe a lot of people do that now. Oh my god. Right? Like, they are they have a lot of shame around where they are financially. And instead of asking for help and seeking wisdom, how do I actually apply these things that I'm learning at this because we can read it and still not know what the hell to do with it.
Patrice Washington:A %. Think that's what is really dangerous about the time that we live in now because people have so much access to information. They confuse that with wisdom. Mhmm. It's not the saying.
Patrice Washington:You still need to be able to know how to apply it, when to apply it, where to apply it. And this is where I think having mentors, having guides, having coaches, having support is still really important. And we can't think, you know, three YouTube videos and a a meme on Instagram is gonna do the trick. Yes.
Kate Northrup:How true.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. So
Kate Northrup:You know, and there's also something that happens when things are so hard and so bad. I do think that there's a part of our system that takes over and doesn't allow us to fully know how bad it is that we would maybe raise the flag and be like, hey. I need help. I think it's some sort of protective mechanism that not all of us have, but it sounds like that may also have been some kind of layer for you. I have no idea, and I'm probably projecting.
Kate Northrup:But No.
Patrice Washington:You know what? It's interesting that you're saying that though because now I've been divorced for a few years now. And so I was married for fifteen years. And on the other side of divorce, I am recognizing how much my brain just completely locked things away. Yep.
Patrice Washington:I'm having new memories that I know it happened, but for some reason, I had not thought about it in ten, twelve, fifteen years. And now I'm like, what the heck? And I'm like, I think that my my brain, my spirit, my soul, something was just trying to protect me and keep me safe, and so it just literally forgot about it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And because we we have the resources we have at any given time, and there are emotional resources, energetic resources, financial resources, community resources. And sometimes, we don't have capacity to fully be in full awareness of what is going on, and we actually have to use the resources we have for taking care of our kid, paying the bills.
Patrice Washington:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:You you know, like, just getting through the day, making sure dinner's on the table. Right? And then it's such an indicator actually of wellness when we have things resurface from the past because what it shows is that we have a certain amount of health on board that now our psyche and our internal infrastructure can handle it. Yeah. So I think that's, like, I just wanna celebrate
Patrice Washington:I do too.
Kate Northrup:For you, actually. Thank you.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. I received that. I really do receive that because it's actually led me to pray more consistently. Like, god, show me the things I couldn't handle then that I'm prepared to handle now. Yeah.
Patrice Washington:And now because of how I've moved through and navigated separation, divorce, and I and I'm co parenting very well and all those things, I'm not even mad where I'm not upset. I don't feel hurt. It's a little like, wow. Wow. Woah.
Patrice Washington:How beautiful. Yeah. But I think at it surface, these different memories, had they surfaced anytime sooner, maybe three years ago, five years ago, seven years ago, it might have devastated me. Mhmm. Right now, I'm just disheartened Yeah.
Patrice Washington:But not devastated. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Two very different things. Mhmm. So in, you know, your your several years past now, if somebody's listening who is going through a divorce and in that time, and they have all this paperwork and the financial stuff to deal with, and it's overwhelming, and then they're also in heartbreak or anger or who even knows. Right? All the things that come with that kind of turmoil.
Kate Northrup:What did you learn during your divorce process that you would care to share about taking really good care of yourself financially that you could pass along to a woman listening?
Patrice Washington:What did I learn financially?
Kate Northrup:Or taking yourself care of yourself in any way, but but I would love to know the money stuff. But, yeah, of course, that's relevant.
Patrice Washington:I to be honest, I would say more women, especially in this day and age where we're building these personal brands and platforms, should know about postnuptial agreements. I didn't know.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Tell me because I don't know.
Patrice Washington:I did know about it. And, unfortunately, I didn't do one. Okay. But it is something I tell women now I would suggest at least looking into because especially when you got married. I was I was young.
Patrice Washington:Right? And so you're starting with nothing, and the idea is, like, we're starting with nothing. We're just gonna build this thing together. And the reality is sometimes one builds faster or differently, and it's something that you should consider. At least gonna have a conversation about I didn't know that postnuptial agreements existed.
Kate Northrup:That mean?
Patrice Washington:Once you're married already, you can still create something like a prenup.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So it's like a postnup prenup. It's a postnup prenup. It's a prenup after you're already married. Thank you.
Kate Northrup:I understand. I thought it was, like, some sort of agreement after you get divorced, and I was like, No.
Patrice Washington:No. It's you're already married. Post napp oh, it's
Kate Northrup:so interesting.
Patrice Washington:I think for for women CEOs I mean, really for anyone. Sure. And I'm not Either way. You know? But most most of my clients are women.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. So I do think for women, it's just something to consider. Yeah. I I think it's a
Kate Northrup:mhmm. Mhmm. Okay. So that's that's a good piece of wisdom. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:What about with the overwhelm? I you know, I have a client I was speaking with the other day who is going through a very messy divorce, and, she's also dealing with the grief of losing her husband. And she has to move, and she's taking care of her mom. It's like, I'm not losing her husband. It's losing her father.
Kate Northrup:Also, the grief of losing her husband. So, actually, that was a Freudian slip, but, yep, that's what I meant. And it's just, like, a lot. It is. And, you know, I don't know what your experience was like, but, when there's so much paperwork and and and and, like and and maybe in the past, there some of that load was done by somebody else, and now you're like, I gotta know all the logins, and I gotta, you know, and I gotta do all this on my own, and I gotta, like, really, like, handle myself.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. What what do you what wisdom do you have to pass along when with the layering of the overwhelm and the grief and the to dos.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. I would say to just pace it. Like, pace yourself Yeah. And and really focus on the things that are most important in that moment. Like, you know, we talk about focus on what's important, not urgent.
Patrice Washington:And I think that when you're in these spaces, everything seems urgent, but the reality is everything is not actually as urgent as we make it. So pacing yourself for sure and not avoiding doing the things and then waiting till the deadlines. Like, oh, court's on Tuesday. Now I need to go ahead and do the things. Like, I would say pacing yourself, having support.
Patrice Washington:It's something I have to just say for myself that I learned is that fighting for yourself doesn't have to be mean or nasty. So my whole thing when I was getting a divorce, when I decided to separate was that I wanted to divorce with dignity. I talked about it on my podcast. I wanted to divorce with dignity. I wanted to be free to dream a new dream.
Patrice Washington:And even though I decided to divorce with dignity, I didn't fight because I thought fighting had to be mean. It had to be nasty. But the reality is, what I've learned is clarity is going to be offensive to people who wanna be offended. It's always gonna be offensive. So you you know, I came out of walking on eggshells and tiptoeing around, which for some people who have known me for a while and know my platform, to know me as a speaker and to know that I have a huge voice in media and then to hear me go, but I didn't have a big voice personally.
Patrice Washington:And so I thought that my behavior would shape his behavior. And I learned that my behavior is for me. Your behavior is for you. And I need to lead with what I truly need, want, and desire. And if I'm radically honest, I didn't fight.
Patrice Washington:I wanted to be done quickly, and I was. My divorce took five months despite businesses, properties, all the things. Wow. I someone told me, oh, you'll you'll be in this for two years. And I have this thing that I say when people say things to me that I don't wanna hear.
Kate Northrup:What do you say? I don't receive it. That's what you say verbally.
Patrice Washington:Or do you just do you
Kate Northrup:energetically don't receive it?
Patrice Washington:Energetically and verbally? Great. You know?
Kate Northrup:Say I don't receive that.
Patrice Washington:I don't receive that. Right? And so my thing was, well, I don't receive that. I don't receive a three year divorce. That's wild.
Patrice Washington:Why? I don't No. Yeah. I just wanna be a good co parent and move on with my life. I'm just looking for freedom.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:Right? And so I was saying I don't receive it. And so I was like, you know what, god? I wanna do it in less than six months. Show them.
Patrice Washington:I'm gonna do it in five months. Literally, he was served on my birthday, March 15, 2022, and we were divorced by Aug. 9.
Kate Northrup:Wow.
Patrice Washington:It was less than five months. That is rapid. That was rapid. Yeah. But looking back, I will say, I don't I wouldn't have changed much, but I could have spoken up more even still.
Patrice Washington:And I think sometimes just understanding that while you're in it, you're still not who you're going to become. Yeah. Right? Like, even in it thinking that I was doing all the right things, now looking back, I'm like, no. I should've said, you know, when you after you're done with something, I should've done this.
Patrice Washington:I should've done that. But, ultimately, if I did those things, I wouldn't have been able to move on and find love again. I would have been stuck in that back and forth of, you know, and and not creating the example that I wanted to create for my daughter. And today, my daughter gets to see both her parents be happy in their individual lives. We both moved on.
Patrice Washington:We both have wonderful partners, and we're both doing our thing. And, ultimately, she gets to see the best of both of us. She never saw us argue or fight because we never did. So she didn't see any. Like, she never saw any of that, but she gets to see I think it's a different yes.
Patrice Washington:Like, a different version of me. Like, I love differently because I love myself more now. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. And what a gift for your daughter because, you know, as a are your parents divorced, married? Never married. Never married.
Kate Northrup:Okay. I come from a divorce background, and, and witnessing both of my parents happy afterwards was a really big gift because I also grew up in a household where there wasn't, like it wasn't fighting. It wasn't drama. It wasn't, you you know, it wasn't, like but I could feel the difference afterwards even though it wasn't, like, an it was an energetic.
Patrice Washington:It's it's Definitely energetic. I've learned so much about myself. I thought that I was more masculine. Do we have this talk before? I feel like I told you this before.
Kate Northrup:Tell me now again.
Patrice Washington:I feel I felt like I was masculine be or too masculine. Like, I wasn't feminine enough. And I would say this and I remember some of my girlfriends, their husbands would go, what is she talking about? What is she even talking about? But that was programming, you know, that was a bit of indoctrination in programming because I show up as a strong leader.
Patrice Washington:Like, I've always been very focused. I've always been the checklist maker. Like, make the list, check it off. Like, I've always been a make it happen type of person. And for some reason, there was this idea, this story that I couldn't be both.
Patrice Washington:I couldn't be soft and feminine and, you know, loving and all that and also but I've always had all of it. Of course. Yeah. It just needed to be inspired.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Because different relationships bring out, of course, different parts in us, and they suppress different parts in us. Yes. So who are you now? Like, who who have you been allowed to become in this new season of your life?
Patrice Washington:Oh, let's see. I've become radically honest about my needs, wants, and desires. I am very vocal about there's no more walking on eggshells or, like, is this okay to say, or should I do that? Should I none of that. I feel very confident.
Patrice Washington:I feel very sensual. I feel very sexual. I feel very loving, and lovable. I think more than anything for for me in this season, I feel lovable. Right.
Patrice Washington:And not for what I do, just for who I be. Right? Like, I definitely grew up addicted to achievement because I thought in order to be loved, I needed to perform. I needed to perform for my dad. I needed to perform for my my mom.
Patrice Washington:I didn't feel confident, in my looks. I grew up feeling like the ugly duckling all the time. And so I was, like, too tall, too dark, lips too big, eyes too weird. Everything that people could pick apart, they did. And so I was addicted to the idea of being class president and being this and captain of the basketball team and captain of this and and so I brought that addiction to achievement into relationship as an adult, but into my whole life.
Patrice Washington:Like, I have to perform in order to be loved. Mhmm. And I don't have that anymore. I don't feel like that now. I feel like I'm just lovable.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. Like, you don't like me, it's on you. Right.
Kate Northrup:Totally. Yeah. Like and you always were that way. And I always was. Yeah.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. And it's interesting to hear people say now people knew me in high school, they're like, but you were always I'm like, well, why weren't y'all saying that? You weren't vocalizing that, so I didn't feel that at all. Right. But yeah.
Patrice Washington:Now 43 years old. Yeah. I have wonderful my people pillar is very strong. I have wonderful relationships, personally and professionally, and I don't feel like I have to perform for any of them. I just I'm just Patrice.
Kate Northrup:So great. Okay. I'm realizing that so I have I have two questions because we did not finish the story
Patrice Washington:Oh, how
Kate Northrup:I got of how you ended up becoming a money expert.
Patrice Washington:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But then I wanna talk about how that has really evolved and and where you are now with your platform. Yeah. Because I know it's it's really been different since we met. Yeah. So
Patrice Washington:how that evolves? So back to the bathroom floor. Mhmm. So scripture, Proverbs seventeen sixteen.
Kate Northrup:Seek wisdom.
Patrice Washington:And it also led me to look up the true definition of wealth for some reason in that moment. And so what I found was that wealth was not just money and material possessions. The original definition was a condition of well-being. And I took that with me from that point forward. Right?
Patrice Washington:It's just about being well first and foremost. So weeks before this bathroom floor moment, I'm walking, down a street, and it's like a shopping plaza in Metairie, Louisiana, and there's a Starbucks. Of course, I have no Starbucks money at all. Right? But I'm like, they got water.
Patrice Washington:So I walk in there with my daughter, and I see these women at a table, and they have their strollers. And it's just I'm like, what are they doing? Is this a mommy meetup? So one woman comes over, and I go, are like, what what are you guys doing? She's like, we're mom bloggers.
Patrice Washington:We're mommy bloggers. And I was like, now mind you, I had a brick and mortar business before then. So I'm, like, not even into online things. I'm like, what does that mean? What's a blogger?
Patrice Washington:And so this woman gives me, like, a ten second definition, and I walk away like, that's strange. I still thought it was like, that's I don't know. Okay. But when I get up the bathroom floor, I'm like, I could blog. I had just learned the term.
Patrice Washington:Wow. I was like, well, what about blogging? I could blog. Next day, I start a free blogspot.com.
Kate Northrup:And this is 02/8,
Patrice Washington:02/00 09/00? This is 02/8. This is 02/8.
Kate Northrup:This is, like, very early adopter.
Patrice Washington:Mhmm. Love it. I start this free blog spot, and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna talk about Reagan, my daughter. I was like, that's weird. I I was literally judging no no shade to the mom bloggers.
Patrice Washington:This is just who I was in 02/8. I was just like, I don't know. But I was, really into reading proverbs every day. And so I found, like I felt like there was always a money or business lesson you can take from a proverb. So I was like, I'll blog about that because I like money.
Patrice Washington:I like talking about money. That's been my background, personal finance. And it was like the angel on one shoulder was like, yeah. You could do it. And the devil on the other shoulder was like, who do you think you are?
Patrice Washington:You just had your lights turned off. Do you wanna talk about money and business principles? And I'm so grateful that still small voice said said you lost all your money, but your mind isn't bad. You still know what you know. And if you did it before, you'll do it again.
Patrice Washington:So here we are. We're gonna blog. And I was, like, looking for jobs on LinkedIn and trying to nothing ever worked. Not nothing ever happened. I never got a callback, never got a job at all.
Patrice Washington:And I started the blog. And every week, I will blog. I will send it out to, this is how green I was. I didn't even know about BCC. I didn't know you can blind copy, so I was spamming people.
Patrice Washington:I was just like, everyone in my email is gonna get this notice about my blog. And after, like, two or three weeks, a friend of mine who was, like, a professional, you know, she's like, hey. You really can't do that. You're, like,
Kate Northrup:exposing people's
Patrice Washington:email addresses. I'm like, oh. Yeah. But after a few months That's great. So true.
Kate Northrup:You we don't know what we don't know.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. I was a mortgage broker. That happened to be a
Kate Northrup:reason to
Patrice Washington:you know, copy
Kate Northrup:Too much.
Patrice Washington:87 people before. But yeah. So I, do the blog every week faithfully. I was very consistent. It gave me something to look forward to.
Patrice Washington:And there was one week in particular I asked my mom and my husband at the time, like, hey. I was really proud of this one. Did you read my blog? And they both were like, no. You know, didn't get to it.
Patrice Washington:And then another week goes by, and I'm like, hey. Did you read? And they're like, no. And then it started to I'm used to performing at that time. So now I'm like, they're not liking the performance.
Patrice Washington:I'm not getting applauded for this. Why am I even doing this? I need a real job. I need to find something to do. And I stopped.
Patrice Washington:I have been doing it consistently for quite a few months, and I stopped. I'm like, if the two people who are the most important to me aren't listening or reading, why would I keep going? And maybe a month or so had gone by, and I got a random email from a man who said, hey. Hope you're well. Been enjoying your blog, but haven't seen you.
Patrice Washington:And I was like, who is this stranger? Wow. What is he? Like, who is this? I was so green.
Patrice Washington:I didn't know how to read the analytics. Didn't know I I had comments that I was supposed to be approving. No idea. Didn't see any of it. So because he sent me that email, I still consider that man, whoever he is, to be an angel because he taught me that an audience of one is still an audience.
Patrice Washington:And this man that I hope sees me on something one day and makes the connection literally encouraged me to keep going. I was like, my mom and my husband are not my audience. I I'm gonna keep writing for him. Yeah. But at the time, I had no idea.
Patrice Washington:Right? So now it's 02/9, and writing for that blog turned into me pitching to write for some bigger, blogs. So I started writing eventually for Hello Beautiful, Black Enterprise, and then I got picked up to write for some magazines. So Black Enterprise, upscale magazine, like Sheen magazine. And I was defending one of my articles on a radio show.
Patrice Washington:So I got tagged on Twitter, and people are like, here she is. And I was like, here I am. Like, what are they talking about? And I start reading, and I'm like, oh, they don't like me at all. They were offended by something that I wrote.
Patrice Washington:And I thought, I'm gonna go on radio and defend myself and forgot how radio worked. Like, that I would not have that much time to make my point. It's, like, thirty seconds.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. And they, like, ripped me to shreds, and I was like, well, that'll never happen again. I need to practice. Okay. That was around 2010 by then.
Patrice Washington:I had no idea that by 2014, I would end up on the Steve Harvey morning show, nationally syndicated with a weekly segment. Amazing. But in those four years, I was writing, I was blogging, I was starting to speak, and then I was going on random, like, little radio shows in random little towns. But what God was doing was building my voice Yeah. And and, building my platform.
Patrice Washington:And I didn't really know it to be a platform. I was just really doing what my first grade teacher, miss Boynton, said. What did you say? Well, first of all, I I was performing very young. Right?
Patrice Washington:So first grade, anytime she asked a question, I'm like, I got it. I got it. I got it. Yeah. And if she wouldn't call on me, I would get upset.
Patrice Washington:And one day, she told me, miss Cunningham, my maiden name, put your hand down. And I, like, I, like, was in a big huff, and then she's like, you're staying there for recess. And I'm like, oh, this crazy lady. And she keeps being for recess, and she said, it's clear you're very smart, but it doesn't mean anything if your friends don't know. Like, you should you should understand that you have a responsibility to help your friends.
Patrice Washington:It's not good enough that you know. And ever since first grade and she gave me an opportunity after that. Like, I could channel all my talks too much into good. I could channel it. I could go around the class, help people with things.
Patrice Washington:And ever since first grade, I've kinda led with this idea of when you know something, you have a responsibility to share with friends. So from the time I started the blog to launching the Redefining Wealth podcast in 2017 to now the Institute for Redefining Wealth and the app and all the things that I've done, it's really this heart of just, like, I wanna share the things that have been a blessing to me with other people. So beautiful.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I simultaneously love and find irritating that wisdom from miss Boynton or whatever her name was because what was her name?
Patrice Washington:Miss Boynton. Boynton. Okay. And I'll tell
Kate Northrup:you why. Because I too was one of those little girls who knew a lot and was smart and, like, with it. And I'm just curious what you think about this. I too was encouraged to instead of focusing on myself, like well, I don't know that anyone ever explicitly said this. I just, like, sensed in the environment that I was there supposed to help everyone else.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. But what about, like, as women, we've been so conditioned to believe it's our job to help everyone else. So, like, while you and I are a hundred percent put on this planet
Patrice Washington:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:To, like, be broadcasters and share and teach, like, we're definitely, like, I love it being of service. This is where we're meant to be. And also Mhmm. Like, I think there's a little bit of a shadow in that, and I wanna hear what you think, like, of this idea that we always need to be, like, making sure everyone else gets what they need. And, like, I kinda wanna go back and tell little Patrice, like, you just use your voice.
Kate Northrup:Like, you can just be smart. You don't have to help it.
Patrice Washington:This is the thing.
Kate Northrup:I feel like
Patrice Washington:I do have a responsibility to share. Yeah. I do. I don't have the responsibility of making you accept it. Okay.
Patrice Washington:And that's where I think, especially as women, we get caught up is we want to force people to do the things. I'm here to share. It's up to you Yeah. If you're actually gonna receive it and do something with it. But back to the boundaries or the governing decisions that we talked about earlier, I'm not here to force anyone to do anything.
Patrice Washington:Yeah. I think it's a blessing to be able to offer wisdom. What you do with it is yours.
Kate Northrup:Love that. So the way that your platform has evolved, would you still consider yourself an expert in the personal finance world?
Patrice Washington:No. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Right. No. So, like, what would you like, what's your overarching kind of defining principle at this time with your platform? What's what are you most called to make sure people know in this time, and how are you doing that? What are the avenues?
Patrice Washington:Yeah. I would say that it's definitely evolved to be more personal development. I don't believe you can have personal finance success or financial wellness without the personal development. So the Institute for Redefining Wealth is really a hybrid of two tracks that I really believe in, personal transformation and purpose acceleration. And so when people are saying, oh, I wanna make more money, and I need more money.
Patrice Washington:I need more money. That does not happen until you do your work Yep. Until you heal some things that you need to heal. Now it can happen, but will it be sustainable? Likely not.
Patrice Washington:Right? So and I believe that whenever we're not operating from a place of purpose, it continues to create a void, and that void is is the unfulfillment that leads people to financial mismanagement. So in my space, what I seek to do is offer people another lens to get to financial wellness, but it's through their own personal development and then through making sure that whatever their god given gifts are, they find a way to utilize it. Now that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be an entrepreneur
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Patrice Washington:At all. Like, at all. But knowing what what you feel called to do and then finding different modalities to express it will hopefully keep your American Express bill down. Like, because you're not out there window shopping or trying to buy friends, buy people, buy all these things, thinking that it's actually gonna fulfill. No.
Patrice Washington:That is that that's insatiable. Right, when you're literally just trying to use money to throw at all your problems or to throw at relationships. And so I would say that's how we've evolved. But, you know, when Success Magazine named me, like, one of top 25 in personal development or something, I was like, really?
Kate Northrup:Did that help you kind of, like, update your self identity?
Patrice Washington:It did. It did. And it was interesting too. I would say different things to clients or, you know, I'm like, can you guys receive more than just the money maven? I was known as America's money maven for ten years.
Patrice Washington:And I'm like, can you receive more than America's money maven? I wanna talk about, you know, different things that are now the pillars. And people were like, you always talk about that. I'm like, too high. Have I?
Patrice Washington:Oh, yeah. But it's always been a very holistic approach for me because I know the things that I've done. That's what my podcast is about. Yeah. It's about the rituals, the routines, the the behavioral shifts, the mindset shifts that I've had to undergo to rebuild.
Patrice Washington:And now even after divorce, I'm rebuilding my wealth again. You know? So to create multiple seven figure businesses and, you know, then things happen. And now to do this alone, I was married my entire adult life. You know?
Patrice Washington:So it's it's it's a journey. Exactly. But the beautiful thing is I have the tools, and we teach now from the authentic alignment tools. Right? And so these are, 12 tools that just help you stay on track with what you genuinely desire.
Patrice Washington:I really feel like what knocks most of us off the path to creating whatever we say we want is that we keep using external definitions and looking for external validation to take our next best step. And it always comes from within. Yes. Above and within. That's it.
Patrice Washington:And within.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. Yeah. And so your practice is I know, you know, you're very committed to your health, working out, prayer
Patrice Washington:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:Eating well. Mhmm. Like, obviously, you know, your beautiful space, those things. And and that's how you, like, keep that channel open to here.
Patrice Washington:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah? Anything else that you would add?
Patrice Washington:I would say too just being aware of the relationships in my life. Like, that that is I don't think we're we're all where we are because of the relationships in our lives. You live where you live. You drive what you drive. You do what you do because you probably had a conversation with someone, right, or had a connection to someone or something.
Patrice Washington:And I think relationships have been again, there's always someone watching you with the power to bless you. And keeping solid relationships and staying connected with people, you know, and and it being a genuine connection. Because I'm not one to force friendship or force connections or force anything either. Absolutely.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I mean, I think --icky. It is icky. And I think what you're speaking about around that, like, relational wealth is so important for career, but just for that feeling of well-being, like you said, the original definition Yeah. Of wealth.
Kate Northrup:Amazing. Thank you, Patrice.
Patrice Washington:Thank you.
Kate Northrup:Truly, like, I appreciate you so much. I love listening to, how I don't know. Like, I think there's something, like, graceful yet also upon unapologetic about the way you speak and you offer your wisdom, and I can always tell that you're telling the truth. Like, you're not if you're if you're talking, you're telling the truth.
Patrice Washington:Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And I just really appreciate that about you. Oh, thanks for being here. Thanks for being you.
Patrice Washington:Me finally. I don't
Kate Northrup:know why it felt like so long. I realized I was like, it's probably less than a year ago. I don't know, but I'm so happy you're here now. It's perfect timing. So if people wanna connect, learn more, dive into your stuff, where should they go?
Kate Northrup:If you wanna dive into my stuff,
Patrice Washington:I would invite you to the Redefining Wealth app. So that is my global community of we call them purpose chasers. But all things that I do, any programs, any events, book clubs, panel discussions that we have are going on in the Redefining Wealth app totally free. Great. And, yeah, you can download it on any device and That's amazing.
Patrice Washington:Seek wisdom p c w on Instagram.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So great. And we'll put it all in the show notes. And your podcast is called
Patrice Washington:Oh, Redefining Wealth. We hit seven years twenty million downloads this year. That's incredible. I know.
Kate Northrup:You listen. When you're on a podcast, you have to talk about your podcast because podcast listeners listen
Patrice Washington:to podcast and Redefining Wealth. Yeah. I remember when I thought, oh, I'll give it a year. I was in radio, and they're like, oh, maybe you should have a show, but you need to do it within three weeks. And within three weeks, I put together the redefining wealth podcast.
Patrice Washington:Seven years ago. Seven years ago, September 2017, and thought I'll give it a year. And here we are 20000000 downloads later, including years later. And it's such a beautiful community.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. So beautiful. Thank you for being here.
Kate Northrup:Thank you for having
Patrice Washington:me. Thank you.
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