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The Middle of Culture is what happens when two siblings with too many opinions and not enough chill dive headfirst into movies, music, video games, and whatever else is rotting our brains this week. It’s part pop culture podcast, part sibling rivalry, and fully unfiltered. Expect passionate arguments, niche references, unsolicited rankings, and the occasional moment of unexpected insight. If you’ve ever wanted to eavesdrop on the kind of argument you’d hear at the family dinner table—only with better audio—this is your show.
Eden
00:00
Nothing. He's useless he's useless as a teeth kind of boar hog, my friend.
Peter
00:17
Welcome back to the Middle of Culture. I am one of your hosts, Peter. And I am your other host, Eden. Eden, how are you?
Eden
00:27
I'm tired of how Mercurial the weather is. That's how I am. Okay, okay.
Peter
00:35
Tell me more.
Eden
00:36
It was Very, very warm, like 80s, and then we were in the 30s. Now we're in the forties, and it's gonna be in the eighties again on Monday, and then back down to the 40s. Huh Okay. Tired of it. Make make a decision. I'm tired of having to swap between my air conditioner and my furnace. Yeah. Anyway, how are you doing?
Peter
01:00
I am well. You know, we've had a little bit of weather whiplash, but that was geographically induced. It was spring practice last week, so we were down in St. George, and St. George was just Going for it at like 91, 92 degrees. We've cooked this world.
Eden
01:18
As we talked about on the last episode, we've truly cooked this place.
Peter
01:22
It's true. But I I I mean, you know, if we're gonna burn, I guess we'll at least enjoy it while we ha while it goes. So we were in we were hanging out at the pool, we were playing around, it was funny. I I had a funny moment at the pool. So I I have always been one of those dads that like I go to the pool and I am in the water. And I'm in the water with my kids the whole time. Right. And we're playing, we're swimming. We bought a little football that looked, you know, that was like, oh, this will be good in the water that we were throwing around and stuff. And we were there on Thursday in the pool, and Liz, Gareth, and I are hanging out in the pool. And there's a bunch of little kids looking like they're maybe like four to maybe ten. I don't know. I've gotten really, really bad at judging children's ages since mine have grown up. So So i I I don't know. But we're there and and we're just like, you know, all of a sudden these little kids, they just kind of start chatting with us and we're chatting with them and then we're like tossing the football to them too and we're playing with them. And the moms th it was like a couple different families and the moms get in the water and they're kinda talking to us and oh, they're from Idaho Falls and the dads are just like over on their phones underneath the sunshade thing sitting there and They did eventually come in and play for a little bit, and then they spent most of the time sitting under their on their phones. But it was funny at one point. One of the moms just said to me, she says, thanks for being the fun dad and playing with our kids. And I'm like, hey This is what we do when we go to the pool. We play we just play. Like I don't Lisa like to lay there and rest and she'll get in and out. And me, I'm just like, if I'm at the pool, I I I don't want to try and tan because I'm not going to. So if I'm going to be here, I'm going to be in the water. And and we're just going to be screwing around. And that's what we did. And it was a ton of fun.
Eden
03:15
I think that's really depressing. Not for you, uh, but I think it's really depressing that all those other dads just wanted to be on Polymarket and watching March Madness and I think that the phone was a mistake sometimes.
Peter
03:29
You know, I I love it. I use it. I think it's a great tool, but I cannot disagree.
Eden
03:37
Um I try to use it less and less these days. You know, occasionally I will just leave my phone and I will take my e-reader or a book. I will take my DAP. But I d uh I don't always need the phone. And if I can avoid it, that's great.
Peter
03:54
I mean, I just didn't take my phone when we went to the pool. I didn't bother to take it at all because Yeah. I I have my Apple Watch, which will tell me my time, and if there's anything urgent that needed to come through, which there really never was, but like I could be reached there if there was something like a communication thing that needed to happen. But other than that, it's like no I I'm going to the pool. I don't need my phone there. I don't want my phone there. Let me just leave it in the in the place.
Eden
04:24
The saddest part is how many of those dads were on Polymarket, ruining their lives.
Peter
04:28
Probably. I didn't even think about the fact that it was March Madness and that you were probably correct. That was Polymarket and Calci.
Eden
04:35
If I you know, there's a lot of evil in the world right now. But if I could find the guys who are in charge of Polymarket and Call She, the world would be a little bit better.
Peter
04:47
I don't disagree with you at all.
Eden
04:49
I think that the legalization of bet sports betting was a Rubicon crossing. And now that you can bet on everything, now that you can just bet on geopolitics, oh how many people are they gonna kill today in the Middle East? This is the most evil shit on the planet.
Peter
05:05
It's uh uh to its core, evil. It is reprehensible. I totally agree with you. But let's move on to something not quite so grim, perhaps. What have you been checking out lately, Eden?
Eden
05:20
You know, I I should have thought about this beforehand. I we were talking beforehand and you said you had a lot of things and I said I don't really have very many things. And now I'm drawing a complete blank. I don't even remember what we watched last week on Sunday night. I genuinely it's been one of those weeks. It was a really long week. It was It was one of those weeks where I'm annoyed at faculty because the DEOs, so DEOs, a departmental executive officer, the chair. Basically. You don't use the term chair anymore because we had to, you know, professionalize everything and give them stupid nicknames like D E O. Uh because that sounds like CEO, you know, it makes him feel special. Um I see. Anyway. the chairs of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences got into a meeting the start of the week and complained about how little help they've been getting with accessibility and how they just feel like they're out of the loop and aren't finding out that much stuff. uh which it was stoltifying to me knowing how many emails I personally have sent those very people and knowing what other emails have gone out from deans and provosts and all these people who they really should be paying the attention to the emails from. Ignore my emails, I get it. I'm just some bitch. But you should probably pay attention to the provost's email, because he's your boss's boss's boss. Uh but anyway, so most of my week was spent In synchronous and asynchronous uh modes, trying to craft what is the perfect email we can send to these people. So that they won't feel unsupported. And the answer to that is that doesn't exist. And the worst part is is they're not going to read it because if there's one thing I've learned How many emails does it take to get everyone to learn about a thing is always n plus one.
Peter
07:07
Yes.
Eden
07:08
Exactly. They don't read their emails. Even though half their job is read emails, they don't read the emails. If I read emails, if I read emails as poorly and responded as sporadically as faculty did, I would lose my job. Mm-hmm. Anyway, I I don't know. I read some books. I read some comics. I kept reading Ms. Mystic. It's cool. I got all of Death Watch 2000, which is the uh this was interesting. I haven't finished reading it yet. It's a bit it's the first big crossover by continuity comics. 20 issues, numbered zero through 19. You're flipping through them, and half the covers have very cool um gimmicks on them. One of them is mystic covers is a magic eye. Uh so you do the magic eye and then you can see things. Or one of them had like thermally reactive paper, so you put your hand on it and then you would reveal the enemy and I I i I couldn't ever see anything, but it would change color slightly. Uh or or or, you know, they would have, you know, embossed covers or spot uh like chroming or the last five issues all have Tyvek covers instead of regular paper covers. But here's the clincher. So many of these, they're advertising, hey, as soon as Death Watch 2000 is over, Rise of Magic is coming, which is our next big crossover event, which did come out. But there's one problem with Death Watch 2000. At the end of issue 19 is a cliffhanger And issue 20 never came out. No no. Even though twenty issues of the next subsequent crossover, Rise of Magic did come out. They never put out the last issue of Death Watch 2000.
Peter
09:04
That's not cool.
Eden
09:05
And here's the clincher. Rise of Magic, the next one, is the last thing they published before they went out of business. Guess what also ends on a cliffhanger?
Peter
09:16
Rise of Magic You got it in one. Called it. Called it.
Eden
09:21
This is the real problem with getting into indie explosion comics is all of these companies It was a real boom and bust scenario.
Peter
09:30
Um and when they busted, they busted real hard. Yeah. I believe that. So I am gonna get to the end and it's gonna have this climactic cliffhanger about how Ms. Mystic has to go fight some dragon that wants to eat the world. Maybe you should write some fanfic for it.
Eden
09:52
I'll never write fanfic, but that's a cute idea. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I have nothing against people who write fanfic. Absolutely nothing. You know, I'm not here to yuck any yums about that unless you write Harry Potter fanfic. Stop doing that. Stop it. No more Harry Potter. It's 2026. We're putting it in the garbage where it belonged the whole time.
Peter
10:12
Oh but anyway. Can I just say, can I just say, good Lord Almighty, we are not.
Eden
10:16
And the only reason I'm going to say that is because We we were down in St.
Peter
10:21
George and we signed into HBO Max whatever the fuck that app's called these days and every time we pressed play on anything We had to sit through the trailer for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone, the new series. Gross. Yep. We were just like
Eden
10:42
I have no respect for a single actor who chose to be in that in 2026. Sorry John Lithgau, you're on the shit list now. Sorry, Nick Frost, you're on the shit list now. Uh and also fuck Harry Potter. Fuck J. K. Rowling Uh she's the worst. And every money, every penny you spend on Harry Potter makes trans life's trans people's lives measurably worse. Every penny you spend on Harry Potter, so stop it.
Peter
11:10
I agree.
Eden
11:11
But other than that, write your fan fix. I don't care. But it's not for me. It's not for me. I respect it. I don't wanna write it. I don't wanna read it.
Peter
11:20
Yep. I'm with you I'm with you.
Eden
11:23
Anyway, what you been up to?
Peter
11:25
Well, as I said, I've got a bit of a list here. So we're gonna start and we're gonna build. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna create a little tension as we go through this because Because that's an important thing to do in in art. It is. Is build some tension. So I I finished, I I basically, you know, I had six plus hour drive each way. uh down to St. George and so listen to some more Dungeon Crawler Carl, finished book five, I'm now into book six. Uh I continue to enjoy it. Interestingly, I can see both why people who really like it. I can see why they like it. You know, it's it's interesting. It's got some humor. It's got the lit RPG elements, but they don't they're not nearly as overwhelming as in some books that I've read. Like like I really again Lit RPG was one of those genres that I discovered, dove into really hard and burned out of really, really fast.
Eden
12:23
Most of them aren't very good.
Peter
12:24
Correct. And and as I'm sitting there reading some of them and it's talking about like, you know, the main character is looking at all their different stat points constantly and adjusting this and tweaking this. And you know, that stuff's in Dungeon Crawler Carl, but it's it's like a little bit here and there. Okay, yeah, I jumped up a few levels. Or you know, that kind of stuff. It's not overwhelming. But at the same time, I can also see why the people who don't like it don't like it. I get where they're coming from. It it's working for me though, and so I continue to enjoy it. I'm on to book six. I'll probably finish book six in the next week or two and then do book seven. Then I'll have a little bit of break. Uh book eight doesn't come out until May So then I'll take a little bit of a break from that and find something else to dive into.
Eden
13:07
Here's my one question about Dungeon Crawler Crow.
Peter
13:10
Yes.
Eden
13:11
The covers that I've seen are very reminiscent of the cover to Ready Player One.
Peter
13:17
Okay.
Eden
13:18
Which is one of the most abhorrent books that has ever existed. Uh-huh. Is it anywhere close to as bad as Ready Player One? I mean, you're probably gonna say no because you like it, but like Ready Player One, we were talking about Ready Player One at the comic shop earlier today about how It is one of the most abhorrent books that has ever existed. And then it got turned into a terrible movie. One of the worst movies ever made by one of the best directors to ever live.
Peter
13:44
Proof that even a great can totally fuck it up.
Eden
13:47
And and is just like the worst slop that I can imagine. The iron giant and the gundam Running side by side to fight against Mecha Godzilla makes me want to claw my own skin from my flesh. And so I don't think Dungeon Crawler Carl is in that milieu, but the covers look like Ready Player One and make me say, this is not for me under any circumstances. This cover design makes me not want to read these books.
Peter
14:15
There are two styles of the covers, and there's There's uh the the ones that you mostly see are the very fantasy bro looking ones. You know what I'm talking about?
Eden
14:31
No, those aren't I've I've seen the ones that are like black with neon uh, you know, funky sans serif nineties font on it. And I'm like, oh, it looks like Multiplayer One.
Peter
14:44
No, so most of the time. Most of the time they're more kind of what you would think of when you think of like a fantasy, um, like a silly fantasy. So here I'm gonna grab you the image of Uh the dungeon the Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook, which is uh the third book, and I'm gonna share it here in the chat for you. The reason I like it is because the Mantars who are some of the bad guys in it, I think are kind of hilarious personally. So I kind of like the fact that uh they're on here. So there you go. You've got dungeon crawler Carl fighting a Mantar that is a man on a man centaur looking thing.
Eden
15:32
Okay. I don't like these covers either, but I don't like them. I don't dislike them as much as the other ones.
Peter
15:37
No, they're stupid and silly covers, but This is like what if someone was trying to make
Eden
15:43
a Chuck Tingle cover be bad. Because I think Chuck Tingle's covers are incredible.
Peter
15:48
Uh-huh.
Eden
15:48
It's kinda like that. But this has very Chuck Ting this I because I can see th this man getting pounded in the butt by this man of dark No, no, no. Maybe I'd read it. Maybe if it was Dungeon Carl Carl Dungeon Crawler Carl gets pounded in the butt by his loving uh buff Manitar, maybe I'd be in.
Peter
16:07
Maybe that's how we get interested. Now see notice how dungeon crawler Carl is does hand does not have any shoes on his feet in this. Uh-huh. Uh that's a key thing because very early on the AI that's running the dungeon crawl has decided that it apparently has a foot fetish for Carl's feet. Oh and so gives Carl all sorts of buffs as long as he remains uh unshawed and he gets like at one of his his upgrades he gets a pedigree kit that if he pedigrees his feet he gets more powerful. And if he stomps on enemies and kicks them, he he does extra damage and all sorts of silly things like that.
Eden
16:44
So these really are like Lit RPGs really are hey, uh 'cause I've talked about this multiple times, how every fantasy light novel from Japan everything is gamified because the lens through which they see Western fantasy is Final Fantasy and Dungeon Uh and uh Dragon Quest? Sure. Lit RPGs is just w white people trying to do light novels. That's all this is, huh? I've never read a light novel, so This is just this is just a white guy was like, Hey, I see what they're doing over there in, you know, the executioners double S rank uh squad of hottie baddies. I can do that.
Peter
17:24
There you go. There you go. But like I say, I'm enjoying them. Uh it it's it's fun. And the fun thing is, I don't know, I I do like the two main characters is you've got Carl, and then you have Princess Donut, whatever. Princess Donut is a cat. Okay. Entered the dungeon with Carl. and immediately got a biscuit that turned her into a sentient being and now she is She is not his pet, she is the party leader, actually, because she had more level points than him. That sounds great. And Princess Donut is pretty hilarious. She's a great a great character. Uh the interplay between Carl and Princess Donut is a lot of fun. So Okay. Um I've played a couple games. Tell me more. Have you ever played Satisfactory?
Eden
18:16
No, I took one look at it and saw the gaping maw that it could become optimizing the perfect factory. Satisfactory and Factorio both I have looked at and been like, this is an abyss that if I stare too long at, I will get Also I have not bitten the bullet on either of those.
Peter
18:35
I I have fallen into the abyss a little bit. I wouldn't say a ton, but over the last week or so I put in about seven hours into Satisfactory. And I'm enjoying it. It's You know, i it's a little bit elements of No Man's Sky, but not quite so certainly not as combat heavy, have to watch your back sort of thing, a little bit of exploration. You're not trying to uncover some big deep story. You're just you're you're, you know, you have a snarky AI that dumped you on this planet and You've gotta you gotta start producing shit for the company. And uh the AI constantly reminds you that you are expendable and that your your life doesn't really matter. So in some ways it it kind of feels like uh a a a light version of what we're dealing with in real life right now. I was gonna say that evokes also like outer worlds or uh some of that. Things like that to me. Yep. But it's fun. I've enjoyed it. Again, I I don't know how long I'll stick with it. I I don't know if this is something that I can see myself You know, once I once I kind of I I don't even know if I'll try and get everything done on this first planet. And I don't know if I see myself coming back, but I'm having fun right now.
Eden
19:52
That's what counts.
Peter
19:53
Um I started playing Blueprints. Uh were you familiar with that? It is a weird, weird game.
Eden
20:00
Yeah, it seems like uh it would require a little too much paying attention than what I usually want from games when I'm playing them these days.
Peter
20:08
So yes, Blueprints is very much a I am not listening to an audiobook or a podcast. I actually have the app TOT, which is a very fast little note-taking app open on my phone, and I walk into a room and I look around and then I have to hurry and dictate notes about what I'm seeing in that room into TOT. to keep track of it. But it's it's fun, you know, the uh the conceit is you're like, I think a nephew, this rich dude dies, big mansion. You inherit it all as long as you can find I think it's like the 49th room in this 48 room mansion or something like that. Yeah. And as you go through a doorway, you go up to a doorway, and as long as it's unlocked, or if it's locked, you have a key for it. You open that door. And then it randomly draws three blueprints for you of three different rooms. And then you get to pick what room you're going to play with the idea that you know that the antechamber to the last room is at the very, very end. the exactly opposite the entryway. And and so you've got to go in and you're trying to figure out you're trying to build enough that you can get to that antichamber, but you'll have to make sure that the doors are unlocked or at least whatever door you try and get into is unlocked There are puzzles as you go, a lot of things to pay attention to. Each time you go into a room, it takes away one move or one step. Uh but certain rooms like bedrooms will recharge and you can get items that make bedrooms recharge more, things like that. So uh and then you'll eventually it's kind of a roguelike in that you're gonna get to a point where You're done. You can't go any further. You've either run out of steps or you've run out of rooms to progress to. You don't have any more rooms that have an open door that you that you can add on. And then you you rest, you call it a day, and you come back the next day. And unlike other roguelikes where you're building up more you're you're buying skills or or weapons or things in between. It's your knowledge. Your knowledge is what carries over. It's the puzzles that you figured out or it's some of the some of the things about the house or the different rooms that you figured out. That's going to be what you carry over. But uh it's fun. I think I've only done about four runs so far Uh but I do think it's interesting and I I really like that it's just unique, you know? It's it's not like anything else I've ever played. It seems really cool.
Eden
22:20
Um again, I have not gotten it yet. I haven't picked it up yet. Um you know Waiting until I'm in a place where I want that kind of puzzly game, but it sure seems cool.
Peter
22:29
And I will say real good Steam Deck game So plays please plays really really well on the Steam Deck, looks great, and the controls obviously there's there's no There's no twitch, you don't have to be fast or anything. So it played really well on the Steam Deck. Um we did go and see Project Hail Mary when we were down in St. George.
Eden
22:50
And I haven't seen it yet.
Peter
22:51
I really liked it. I thought it was great. Have you read the book?
Eden
22:55
No.
Peter
22:56
Uh yeah, no.
Eden
22:57
I'm familiar with it. I know what the twist is. I'm I was annoyed that they put the twist in the trailer. You shouldn't have done that, guys, but whatever.
Peter
23:05
But uh I really I liked the book. I I've liked all three of Andy Weir's books that I've read. Artemis was my least favorite, but I liked the Martian a lot. I like Project Hail Mary. And I thought they did a great job. I thought it was It was i it had a good strong emotional core. Uh it still had moments of tension. They kind of really dialed back the science aspect. of the book, which makes sense. It makes for a better movie. It's one of the things I really liked in the book is that he really goes deep into the figuring out figuring out the astrophage and figuring out the communication and I'll just won't say anything more than that, but uh but it was a good movie and definitely, you know, the whole family liked it. Lissa uh Lys really liked it and she was like, Yeah, I'd totally go watch that again and stuff.
Eden
23:48
So so it was fun. Yeah, my my biggest complaint with Andy Weir is I think that he, you know, from what I've here heard, he writes a good book. But also he's like, I write apolitical books. I'm just out here talking about science. And you're like, that's not possible, dog. There's no that's That's not possible. Also, you did write a move a book and that got turned into a movie about a man falling in love with a a rock boy. That's gay. It was gay love. Exospecies gay love, Andy. That's political, brother.
Peter
24:27
You know, I hadn't thought about it that way, but there you go. Um, I'm gonna wrap up with music, uh in part because boy, it's been a big couple music weeks. Yeah, it's been a big was one big music week. This last Friday the new album from Winter Fileth came out there. A black metal band from England, I like them. I like them a lot. Haven't really had a chance to give their new music uh uh uh a go, but I I've liked all their others and I'm sure it will be good. Um I'm gonna run down a list of two Fridays ago. So not Not yesterday when we're recording on Saturday, but a week ago yesterday, there were six albums that dropped from bands.
Eden
25:07
Only one of them matters, so keep that one for last.
Peter
25:10
That is that's gonna be last. Don't worry. Because because here's what happened. I knew there were five albums coming out on that Friday that I was looking forward to. The first, the new album. From the band Exodus. Exodus is a thrash metal band from the US, from kind of the Bay Area. I like them a lot. Goliath, their newest album. It's a huge bummer. Like I was excited because Rob Dukes is back in the band and I like his vocals better than Zetro Susa. And like the two Exhibit A and Exhibit B are I think two of of Exodus' best albums. I haven't like listened to Goliath all the way through once. It just kind of fizzled out. So that's a bummer. Garea, Portuguese black metal band. Their previous albums have been so good. their newest album, Loss, is pretty okay. The big problem is, is on the last two albums, uh on the previous album, Coma, there were hints of this, but it's like on Lost they w really leaned into like emo black metal. I I saw this, I saw somebody on Reddit th d describe it this way and and I hate that it was so accurate. It was like, what if Black metal sleep token. And I went, oh you motherfucker. Cause you're kind of right. Like it still has teeth, but it's like It's leaning way too into the emo stuff, so uh That's not for me. Yeah, like it the I think the way I I was writing something down about it and I said, you know, it's it's giving me these so earnest you will choke on the triacle vibes.
Eden
26:48
I don't care for that.
Peter
26:49
Yeah, it's it's a little bit though I'm gonna go to emo.
Eden
26:52
I don't want that from metal.
Peter
26:53
Yeah. Uh couple others. Ethereal darkness. Echoes used to be a one-man band. This is a second album. He's got a full band. It's a melodic Death Doom with a little bit more kind of a blackened crust to it. Very good. Very good. Uh Hanging Garden, Isle of Bliss. This is just like sad boy, doomy, melodic death metal kind of what if. Insomnium and Swallow the Sun had a baby, it would sound like Hanging Garden, and it's a really good album if you're in the mood for some melancholy melodic death metal. Interestingly, we also have the third album from The Holium, Encis. Encis is, okay, take Hanging Garden, but add in some more kind of Doom metal and post-Doom flourishes to it. Out of those two, I'm liking Encis from the Holium even more. Um, but it's also a very, very good album. And I will say these albums, these last three are all good enough that I have actually listened to them start to finish. More than once in some cases, maybe only once in some cases. But, Eden, why have I not been able to listen to any of these other albums more than one time?
Eden
28:05
For the same reason that I've only been listening to one thing for the past uh week and a half. Neurosis dropped an album out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, a decade Looking nowhere. A decade since Fires Within Fires, the band, I for all intents and purposes, I thought the band broke up. Everybody did. Everybody did.
Peter
28:26
I mean last year last year Jason Roder, the drummer, who was who's also been the drummer in sleep and basically said he was like unceremoniously kicked out of sleep, starts posting up on socials, I'm getting rid of my gear. I'm selling my kits.
Eden
28:41
Yeah, no, well I thought I thought it was over. I thought it was, you know, what top three banned for me. I thought we were done. Yeah. And that's good. Okay, I'm sad, but I get it. And then all of a sudden We'd had ten years.
Peter
28:57
Ten years. Okay, maybe not ten years. But at least at least a few years cause it was you know, they kicked Scott Kelly out of the band in twenty nineteen when they found out about the allegations, immediately dumped him, but kept quiet according to everything at the request of Kelly's family. Uh-huh. And then in 2022, when he basically tried to come clean and and said all this stuff, the band actually responded with a Him coming out and saying all this now, we don't believe it. We think this is bullshit. He's this is still him being manipulative. So don't buy it. Like like hardcore. It was very much like a don't know this His quote unquote apology don't believe a word of it. And and so we've had years now. We've had two like three and a half, four years from that going Okay, I guess neurosis is over. Just to come to peace with the fact that neurosis is done.
Eden
29:50
And we were we were happy with what we got. Fires Within Fires was not their best album, but it was pretty good. Was a good way to go out.
Peter
29:58
Yeah. And then So, so timeline here. Timeline here. I go to work. I get up in the morning. I do what I do every Friday morning. First thing in the morning when I get up about five o'clock is I open up. the new music in the metal section of Apple Music and I look and see what are the new releases. And so I'd s and I'd pre-added some of these others, but I'm like, yep. I want to check that one out. I want to check that out. I want to check that out. I want to check that out. Great. Go to work. I'm in clinic. I'm playing Exodus and Garea. Just kind of background music while I'm in and out of things, not really paying attention. I come home and I have a shit ton of emails as I always do, and I sit down to go through and delete most of them. And I go through and I'm delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. And I always have on Friday a bunch from Bandcamp because any band I've ever bought anything from or any label who I've ever bought something from, they're sending out stuff about either new albums or new merch or whatever on Bank. It's a lot of emails and and Because of the way Bandcamp works, it's one of these where I I don't unsubscribe because I'm kind of like, you know what? This is probably right now in 2026, one of short of going to their concert, which most of these bands I can't Seeing what merch music or whatever these folks are putting on Bandcamp is probably the best way we can support bands we like.
Eden
31:14
Absolutely. Like you don't want to unsubscribe because what if What if you see an email from Neurosis?
Peter
31:24
What if you see an email that literally says That literally says a band camp email that says Neurosis has released a new album. And I sat there in a chair and I looked at it before I opened it. And I was like. No, they haven't. Yeah. And sometimes what'll happen, and it depends on, I think, a little bit how the band makes this happen on the back end. Sometimes the bandcamp email will say has released. When really it's they've announced it and maybe released a new song. Sure. So I tap open the email and here's a cover that does look it is in a neurosis sort of style. Uh-huh. And then I tap on it and it goes to the page on Bandcamp with all eight songs available to play. Yeah. And a thing that says purchase. Uh-huh. And then I hurry and manage to click through because me being the one I I like immediately go and I'm like, is there a vinyl variant I can find? And there was one vinyl variant that was still in stock that I was able to snag. Nice. And then I sent you it that text.
Eden
32:25
And then I yeah, and I I'm just chilling. Like, you know, it's Friday, it's cool, it's the Friday of spring break.
Peter
32:32
Right.
Eden
32:32
I'm just legitimately like zoning out. And then you send me that email and I was like, Excuse me? And I immediately rushed to Bandcamp, give them my blood money, and immediately downloaded those suckers and threw it into FUBAR. And that's been the last week and a half of listening to music.
Peter
32:52
Yes, so and and I I then I like go and I'm listening to this album and I am like I I go to a computer and I'm looking and I'm trying to see, did anybody know this was coming? And every single metal website that is announcing this. Literally is saying we had no idea this was coming. Nobody knew this was coming. In in the in 2026, how they managed to keep this under reps. Now, first of all It sounds like it came together fairly quickly. They recorded it over the course of three weekends.
Eden
33:23
Uh-huh.
Peter
33:24
And then mastered it over the course of like a few days. And then had and because they own their own record label, you know, they just then were able to Boom, stealth drop. And and here's the first and so we see this, and of course, I have to think to myself, okay, but Because based on their announcement from back in 2022, we know there's no way that Scott Kelly's back in the band. We desperately don't want Scott Kelly to be back in the band. Absolutely. And so I'm like, but neurosis is always, I mean, their the strength of their sound, you gotta have those two guitars. And there's and you've got to have the two vocalists, even though
Eden
34:02
If we're being honest, since A Sun That Never Sets, both Scott Kelly and Steve Until sound close enough that it was sometimes hard to know who was singing when the last decade bef you know The 2000s on, I have not been able to keep track of who was who really. Correct, correct.
Peter
34:19
But I can on this one.
Eden
34:21
But then we go and we look, and it's Aaron Turner. you know, from ISIS. Like dearly departed, I loved going to their final show, ISIS. Yes.
Peter
34:33
I mean, and this is a funny thing is You know, back in the early 2000s, people would make the joke of the cult of neurisus because you had Neurosis, Isis, and Cult of Luna that were like the three Titanic post-metal bands. Like here we've got Aaron Turner who did ISIS and then did Sumac and and Old Man Gloom and all this stuff, heavily like the first to admit, heavily influenced by neurosis. Oh yeah. Now he is in the band as the other guitarist and and vocalist. So Eden, tell me, you've listened to this for a little over a week. What do you think about an undying love for a burning world? We're back, baby. Oh my gosh. We are still back.
Eden
35:23
It was, you know, it was n uh ten tracks? Is it ten tracks? I think it's eight, but the last two are thirty minutes long. It's a it's an hour and a half of we're so fucking back. Yes.
Peter
35:36
So good and dog so Good. I mean Oh my god, it's so good. It is such a good album.
Eden
35:44
And And it's so and it's like I've missed 'em. Yes. You know, I uh I know that, you know, uh Through Silver's Blood is your favorite. So that's 30 years old at this point. Yeah. My favorite was given to the rising, which is 19 years old. 19 years old. And they've had a couple albums since even Given to the Rising, which I thought were fine. They weren't as good as Given to the Rising. You know, whatever. There's a couple stinkers in there that aren't as good. Some that never sets is not as good, maybe You know, I I have the you know, it it it it ebbs and flows from their peaks to their valleys. This one's a peak, man. We're back.
Peter
36:22
This is a peak. I agree. This is a huge piece.
Eden
36:31
That makes sense to me that they were able to throw it together so fast because this is this feels like it's been sitting in the slow cooker for a decade.
Peter
36:38
Yeah.
Eden
36:39
And then you just pop the lid off and give it a stir.
Peter
36:42
Yeah. And y you know, I I uh this is gonna sound silly and people who don't understand this, they don't get it, and that's okay. There are a lot of people the older I get, the more I understand that a majority I would say of the population, at least certainly here in America, listens to music and this is going to sound reductive and you know what? Good. It's fine. I'm okay with that. They listen to music that is so disposable that they don't really care about their music that much. Yeah. And we've never been like that. It doesn't matter. You know, even though we we're at a point where we have a little bit of overlap, but in a lot of ways our musical tastes have dived, that's cool. But we still like we connect with music. Like it is Yeah.
Eden
37:25
When when it hits it hits.
Peter
37:27
And this one hits. My gosh. Like when it kicks off and the first track, um, Torr whatever, uh World I d I can't even remember what it's called right now. I'm blanking on it. The word torn is in there somewhere. But it's kicks off and and Steve On Till's voice just comes in like screaming just screaming. And you know, and he says, I'm trying to pull up the lyrics here really fast. Um You know, it says we are torn wide open. The separation that burns our hearts is the root of all our disease. We have forgotten how to live, so we suffer. We've forgotten how to struggle, so we suffer. We've forgotten how to die, so we suffer. We've forgotten we are wild, so we suffer. We exist in isolation, so we suffer. And then over and over he repeats the dissonance is deafening. The dissonance is deafening. And it is such this just like primal Just shout at the universe of how we have fucked ourselves up.
Eden
38:37
How we've become so atomized and individualistic and that there is nothing L like the the the fundamental nature of humanity has been like destroyed By modern society. That's what this album is about. But that like the only thing we can do is build it again And like that's how I feel about things. Like not only does I mean the music fucking slaps. If the music if they were g growling and screaming about puppies and kittens or my little ponies, it would still be like a nine point eight out of ten album. It was the beeps are fat and the drops are heavy and the guitars are so loud and the drums are killing it and it just like it hit so hard But then also philosophically, it's hitting so many of the high notes about how I feel about like both the despair that I feel about living in 2026 and the only way through
Peter
39:39
You know, so in the song Blind, there's this passage that stuck out at me, and he says, it says, nothing shines until we feel like we are nothing. Darkness pulls the moon from the ocean, stars are blind, burning in the shallows, and then this is the line that stuck out at me. It says, while despair wipes away delusion. This is the thing about this album, and and it's this has always been a key element in Neurosis' music, but this is I mean, this feels such a vital 2026 album because because Neurosis in knows that the world is dark and that it is a darkness in many ways of our own creation. But as it says there, the despair Wipes away the delusion. So, hey, you know what? The darkness can at least help us see where we need to go from here. And it is this call that We I mean you really do just over and over on this album. I get this is this primal feeling that we need to be together. Humans need to come together and that, yeah, things fucking suck right now. And we can get through this if we can get together and we can work together and we can rebuild. Like there's they make no bones about the darkness that is in there.
Eden
41:06
No. And I and but again, this is this feels like such a vital text for this moment because I think that that is what we are seeing. is we are feeling these we are feeling this displayer. We are feeling this this like futility um in this atomized world. But also we are seeing some of the like most ennobling and like beautifully defiant uh refutations of that of that feeling and of that that way of living. You know We've talked about it so many times on this podcast. I've talked about it so many times on devotees. Um, you know, that like there is a certain nihilism that comes with living in 2026. and that there's kind of two sides to it. Some days you wake up and you say nothing matters and that's really depressing. But sometimes you wake up and you say, Well nothing inherently matters. So all the only thing that matters is what I put into this world
Peter
42:10
Yep.
Eden
42:11
And the and and the relationships I try to build and the the lightness that I try to bring to those around me, the ways I try to help and love those who are around me, because that's all I've got.
Peter
42:24
Yeah.
Eden
42:25
That's uh it's a masterful disc.
Peter
42:28
It really is. It is. I mean, I again I I forced myself to kind of listen to a couple of these other albums at least once through just to get a feel for them. And they were good. But I just keep coming back to this Neurosis album because again, like you said, not only is it musically good, but it just it feels vital. There is this and and there's some it here's the other thing that I really love about this. It doesn't f it still it how do I put this? It both does and doesn't feel like a logical continuation of where the band was. In some ways it feels like a logical Okay, yes, this still sounds like neurosis, but in other ways, this feels like a but we're not just coasting. We've you know Aaron Turner has come in, you can feel him all over this record. His guitars, his guitars have a harsher angular more angular sound to them. His vocals do. Dave Edwardson, I have to mention, bassist Dave Edwardson, his his growls have come in again, which we kind of missed on the last couple albums as well. But there's a lot more um one of the big things between neurosis and ISIS, especially back in the early two thousands was as Neurosis was really playing with a lot more silence and a lot more really mellow stuff, Neurosis played with a lot more atmosphere and and a lot with keys. Keys were a keys played into Ner to Isis's music a lot more. Well with Neurosis it was always just like they were kind of like effects in the background. And I feel like Aaron Turner being there, it's almost like he went to Noah Landis and was like, hey dude, no, come on. Like we can we let's hear you. You know, give us give us some organ sounds, give us some actual keyboard stuff, which like it fleshes out the sound more. Um yeah, it just wow. I I I I keep thinking about it, I keep listening to it, I I keep it's just it's it's a banger, man.
Eden
44:20
And then I was talking with Cassie and I was like I can't believe Neurosis is back. And then she like would pulled up their website on the phone. We were driving somewhere listening to it. And she was like, hey, they're gonna be some musical it's some music festival in Montana this summer and I was like, I mean I can't go to that, but I bet Peter will figure it out.
Peter
44:37
You know, the problem is it's it's in July and it's not very long after my uh basically two week trip to London. So I don't know if I'm I I'm I'm still trying to figure out if I could make it work. Of course, you know, where it is in London is about nine and a half hour drive from where I am because things are big out here Uh but it is, yeah, they're playing at the Fire in the Mountains Festival. A bunch of other bands got announced. Uh the Fire in the Mountains Festival is a it's a pretty cool thing. I don't know, did you look into what the Fire in the Mountains is about?
Eden
45:06
No, I saw that it was all the way out in Montana and I was like, well, not only could I like, would it be hard for me to travel, uh, I can't afford it anyway. So I just don't really look into it.
Peter
45:18
Uh Fire in the Mountains. I'm trying to remember where it is. It's a Blackfeet Nation. So it's in it's on Blackfeet Nation land. And this is something that in the last year or two, Steve Von Till actually really got involved with, which is helping promote and so a lot of what the Fire in the Mountains Festival is doing is it's raising in part money to give back to the Blackfeet nation to help with suicide prevention in First Nations teens because huge population that's just kind of ignored. So uh yeah so that's what Fire in the Mountains is all about. And you know again it it just You look at this and you go, yeah, that totally fits for this album. Like this is why they would drop this at the same day, say, and we are the the previously TBA uh uh act, you know, headline act at Fire in the Mountains because because that's something that's important to them. So well let's get on to the main topic. And uh as I suspected we went a little long. We went a little long and it'll be interesting to see. So uh a few weeks ago I said to Ian, you know what? I was just kind of glancing through and I don't remember why I caught sight of this movie and I thought, I've never seen that. Maybe we should watch that. Because as we've both said before, one of the advantages of having a podcast like this is it gives us a decent excuse to maybe Go and watch something or check something out that we haven't ever done so, but we're kind of curious enough that we go, yeah, that'd be fun to watch for the podcast. And so I propose that we watch 1981's Escape from New York, directed by John Carpenter, starring Kurt Russell. Yeah. Ian, what did you think about 1981's Escape from New York? Is John Carpenter
Eden
47:00
The best genre filmmaker. Oh
Peter
47:08
Are we gonna disagree on our opinions about this one? We are gonna disagree so fucking hard.
Eden
47:13
I I thought that as I was watching it and having a delightful time, I thought to myself, I bet Peter is not having a good time with this one. I, however, am having a blast. I think John Carpenter is exactly. Uh that soundtrack though, Jonathan, the one t the one thing I listened to that was not neurosis was when I immediately went and downloaded the soundtrack to this afterwards because I needed to listen to those crunchy synths a little bit more.
Peter
47:42
Yeah. You didn't care for this one, huh? Oh god, this movie was so fucking boring. Oh, I thought it was great. Oh, it was so boring. I mean Oh, like I I was just like I gotta stand up, I gotta walk around while this thing's playing. I gotta what can I do to not just fall asleep. That's so much fun. And look, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Can I tell you? Can I tell you what Snake Plisken does in this movie? Nothing. Not a damn thing. Nothing. He's useless. He's useless as he's doing a boarhog, my friend. Everything. You know, you know the hero of this movie? The hero of this movie. Deus X fucking Machina. Yup. That's absolutely true. Because like Oh, okay, I'm gonna give a really quick plot summary. There's not a whole lot there. There's not, there's not. So I think it's what? It starts out in 1988. Crime has risen 400%. 400%. New York, the island of Manhattan. has been walled off and turned into a prison. The prison. The prison. For the entire country. The the prison. Everybody gets dumped there. Then we fast forward to what, 1997, I think it is. We fast forward to 1997. We're, you know, we've got a couple people trying to paddle their way to off of the island. They're going through the water. They get spotted by a helicopter, and then they get blown up. Just just blown up. You know, they get told to turn around and then they blow they get blown up. Um, we see our hero. In air quotes. Snake Plisken showing up, getting ready to get checked in, and at the same time, they're running around. Oh no, there's a There's a plane that's going in David 14 as it's oh nobody knows who it is. And of course you immediately know what it is. And I will also say, as soon as this happened, I thought, oh. So this is where Phantom Liberty got the idea.
Eden
49:41
Oh yeah. No, this is Phantom Liberty is like what if Escape from New York was good? I even liked I liked Escape from again. I really enjoyed this movie Um, cause I really liked all every John Carpenter movie I've ever seen. I'm like, well, you know, that was a delight. I've to be fair, folks, I have not seen Escape from LA, which is apparently the real stinker. Um, the sequel to this very film Uh I haven't seen that one yet, because I hadn't seen this one yet. Uh everything else of Cis I've s I've loved. I mean Halloween invents the slasher flick by itself. Assault on Precinct 13 is like one of the great thrillers of all time. Uh The Thing. Well, I talked at length weeks ago about why The Thing is one of the greatest horror movies ever made. Uh he's the only guy who could make a movie about a haunted car be good. Christine's great. Uh big trouble in Little China is racially insensitive and hilarious. Uh They live. Rowdy Rowdy Piper coming in and saying, I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and I'm all out of gum. And you're like Oh, Duke Duke ripped that off. There was a cooler dude who said that seven years earlier in a very good movie. So like I was primed to like this one. But uh no, Phantom Liberty is like ten times better than anything this movie has on offer.
Peter
51:02
Yes. It was very much like I say, it it was before that even, you know So so they figure it out and all of a sudden David 14, Air Force One. I'd already figured that out, because again, it's it's obvious, and especially if you played Phantom Liberty again, you the the parallels were apparent. Anyway, so Air Force One's been taken over by uh terrorists. It's just in the midst of some nuclear comet like tr negotiation summit, whatever with US, you know, Soviet and China, whatever. Who cares? The president who is just the frumpiest dipshitti little president we've ever seen in film goes and gets in the skate pod, which I think to myself, I'm like, really? You would have a skate pod that only he fits into, really. You're trusting the president. You're gonna drop him and just be like You're good, bitch. Go for it. Good luck, buddy. Anyway, they drop him. Air Force One crashes. The the people from the prison go in and immediately, you know, the the the henchman who's just oh my gosh, he's he w this dude is overacting. It's like It's like people are either underacting or overacting. And this dude is in the I'm gonna overact till I just can't camp. Anyway, he comes out. They show the president's finger that's been cut off that's still got the ring with the presidential seal on it. And tell him the Duke's got him. If you try and rescue him, we're gonna kill him. So they go back, and then here we go. We got Snake Pliskin coming in, who's a badass for reasons that are never explained. Who's going to prison?
Eden
52:29
Well, it explains he in World War III did that exact same move on the Kremlin or some shit.
Peter
52:35
He flew something over, yes. We we flew something over Leningrad. Over Leningrad, yeah. Big whoop-ty fucking do.
Eden
52:43
What's that?
Peter
52:44
No one knows. It doesn't tell you. And and we don't really know why he's going into prison to this prison. He's getting sent to the prison. There's something about like Stealing from Knox? Yeah, some treasury, something or other. Anyway, they're gonna forgive him all of his crimes in the United States. They've got the they've got the the piece of paper saying that he's, you know, he's been pardoned if he'll go into the island and rescue the president in 23 hours. And he, you know, finally, okay, he agrees and they inject some things into his neck that are gonna explode and into his carotid arteries that in like twenty two hours will explode and he'll bleed out immediately. But they can turn him off with X-rays. So he's just got to go in and he's got to get out. So he flies a glider in Lands on top of the World Trade Center, the top fit, you know, the top floor is down to 50. There's an elevator that's got power. He takes it down, and now he's out there and he's he's looking for the president. He picks up the signal. He goes, he thinks he's found the guy. The the wrist thing that was given off the signal is on some other dude. who's just casually getting punched in the face in a bathroom in some theater that he's walked through and there's some dudes doing like a burlesque type show. The lyrics of that song were actually pretty funny.
Eden
54:04
Very funny.
Peter
54:05
Yeah, that like that was actually a Honestly, that was probably my high my highlight of the movie. It's very good. That song was funny. We meet randomly Ernest Borgnine in there. Everybody who sees Snake knows who Snake is. We don't fucking know why s everybody knows who Snake is. But everyone in everyone in Prison America knows this man. They all know who he is. Uh he he eventually, you know, he he meets up with Ernest Borgnine again, who's got a taxi. He's been driving cab on this island for 30 years. Lots of questions about that line.
Eden
54:41
Listen, sometimes your home gets turned into a prison and you just stay.
Peter
54:44
You just roll with it.
Eden
54:45
That's what you've known.
Peter
54:46
You just keep doing the job. Uh he takes him, you know, he tells him, well, the Duke's got him. He takes him to some place where The Duke's people show up and then they meet Brain and his Maggie who's with him and then anyway. They go thinking they're gonna get the president.
Eden
55:10
The president gets saved by Brain and his girlfriend.
Peter
55:14
And then and then they have to ride across the br drive across the bridge because brain has the the map to the bridge.
Eden
55:22
Because he's figured them the m all the maps have been mined. I don't know why you don't demolish them. No, they've got mines on them. But the bridges have all been mined and brain has the map, so they're driving very fast across the change with mines.
Peter
55:38
Because and and we have uh again, this is Snake being the hero. ostensibly of this movie. He doesn't listen to Brain, blows the car in half. Everybody else is fine. Except Bornisborgnine. And then Brain, as they're walking across it Screws up and steps on a mine and blows himself up. Then they get the president to the wall. Here comes Duke. Maggie. Oh, don't forget Maggie stays behind with Dead Brain. Maggie stays behind and instead of actually waiting for Duke to get close enough that her shots will do anything, she just starts firing off the gun when he's still like a couple hundred feet down the the bridge and he just runs into her and like basically cuts her in half with his car. He gets out, they throw over a harness, they pull the president up, the president gets up, Snake comes halfway up. And then the president stops Snake from coming up so that the president can then, using a machine gun, gun down Duke. And then they finally let Snake the rest of the way up. Oh, there was a tape that had something to do with tritium, and you know, they And whatever. The president gives his speech. Who knows?
Eden
57:04
And so the president is a dick to Snake once they land, and so Snake makes a choice. Hands 'em The wrong tape. And so he starts playing this. This will bring peace to the world tape. And it's the American bandstand music, folks Uh-huh. As Snake destroys the original tape.
Peter
57:23
Just starts pulling the d tape out of the cassette and and goes walking off. Uh I mean This movie fucking rules. This movie's so dumb. You had so much fun. I mean Just incomprehensible choices where as Snake is coming in and getting checked in, the dude at the prison who has this one just Nice big old fat gold earrings.
Eden
57:50
Killing it, man.
Peter
57:51
He's so slimy. He's just got this one big earring in his left ear. Anyway, the whole time going in, every time he says Pliscan, Snake's like, call me a snake. And then at the end when he calls him Snake, he's like, My name's Pliskan. He's like, Don't fuck, dude. It's so good. Snake has done. It's so much fun watching this movie, Peter So here's the thing. The soundtrack, and then the now this is an interesting thing. It were there were so many moments watching this movie that I'm like, okay. I think some of this is stylistic, but that there's a lot of this, which is the difference between how movies are made. Yeah. 20, 30, 40 years later. This is a 1981 movie, man. It is. I mean, there are so many moments where a modern movie would have so much more like the soundtrack or the score would be so much more present. And in this it's just like silent. Yeah. And and you know, in in a modern movie there would be so much more of a use of like diegetic music. And in this literally all we get is like the the play and in the car. And then the burlesque show. Like there's just not very much diegetic music throughout. And so that was a big difference. I I will say this. The foleywork in this sucks. It does. Like, it's every bad. Now, there's the extreme of like you think of like Rocky IV where every time Rocky and Drago are punching each other, it sounds like a new m a small nuclear explosion going off, which that's a little too far in the other direction. But in this it's like Every time somebody's getting hit, it just sounds like somebody's like slapping a wet tortilla on a counter or something like that. It's just like Yeah You're not wrong. So but but like I say, like I I'm I don't regret watching this at all. I don't want it to come across as I regret watching it. It was entertaining to watch. Oh no. But really, there's so many things where This thing happens in the movie just because the story needs it to happen. Like they get up to the top of the World Trade Center and a whole bunch of people are now up there. Knocking the plane off. And so then they come down to the brain's car and of course there's Duke and his people are in there. They've somehow been up on the top of the World Trade Center long enough that a dude has had time to remove the engine block of the car and climb inside the hood so that when it doesn't work and he can open the hood and he can come out of where the engine is with the gun. Yeah. They run downstairs, and this is where just magically we have no reason for Ernest Borgnine, Cabby's character, to show up to to show up. The only other dude with a car that we know of in this on this godforsaken island just shows up with a car ready to pick them up literally the second they run out of the World Trade Center. Like I I just
Eden
01:01:01
That was the clincher for me. That was when you see the snake tattoo, which it therefore implies is coiled around his um member Uh-huh. I died. I died.
Peter
01:01:14
Laughing. It was so funny. And it doesn't look like here's the thing. You're looking at and you're like That's just grease paint.
Eden
01:01:21
That's the fakest tattoo I've ever seen in a movie.
Peter
01:01:23
That's just I mean, that's just grease paint. Somebody just hurried and was like, oh shit, let's give him a snake tattoo. And they just like Uh you know, I just so many things in this movie that I was just like, I see what you're going for, but you just didn't get there for me. No, I get it. I totally get it.
Eden
01:01:41
But see, I left that movie and I was like I need to see the rest of the Carpenter films I haven't seen yet.
Peter
01:01:48
So so here's my question. Does that mean we're watching Escape from LA at some point?
Eden
01:01:52
Maybe. I don't I'm gonna give you some time. I'm gonna give you some space. I'm not saying next episode is Escape from LA. We might get there though. I think we might need to. But also But also like what's your what's your history with Carpenter? Have you seen any of Carpenter's other movies and do you like them?
Peter
01:02:08
No, uh the thing is the only other movie off the top of my head that I know I've seen. And I hate that movie because of the way it traumatized me because our father let me watch it, even though it was on TV. He still let me watch it when I was seven years old. You're too young for that Uh makes sense.
Eden
01:02:23
Um, but no, I'm looking at this list and I'm like, man, he's made some real bangers, you know? Assault on Precinct 13. Now that's a movie. You would hate that movie too though. I'm not gonna make you watch it on Precinct Thirteen. I'm just thinking about Precinct Thirteen and cogitating like rotating it in my mind alongside Escape from New York, and there's enough confluence between the two that I think you would have a terrible time with assault on place. It's a white hot night of hate, as the poster says.
Peter
01:02:54
Yeah, no, I I just looked through his directorial his his his feature films that he was either director or writer on, and I'm going to Prince of Darkness No, like this and the thing are the only ones I've seen.
Eden
01:03:08
You've never seen Halloween?
Peter
01:03:10
No. I don't watch horror movies at all. You should watch Halloween. That's one of the horror movies.
Eden
01:03:15
Uh you don't need to watch horror movies, but you should actually watch Halloween three is the one you should watch, because that's the best Halloween movie. I know that is like the you know what the best Halloween movie is, is the one that's not about Michael Myers, but it's also true. It's also about haunted masks that kids buy at fucking Spirit Halloween and then turns them all into psycho killers. And that's good stuff.
Peter
01:03:39
Okay, there you go. That's just good stuff. There you go.
Eden
01:03:42
Anyway. I had a I had a blast. I'm sorry you didn't have a fun time.
Peter
01:03:47
You know, I knew again I'm watching this and I'm thinking to myself as I'm like slapping myself to stay awake, I'm like, I bet you Eden is gonna love this movie.
Eden
01:03:56
Yeah, I just I sat on the couch the The only reason I even had to stop or get up is Liza needed to go outside. If that hadn't happened, I'd have sat there through all one hour 39 minutes of it just slowly sinking in my couch and having a grand time. Listening to those scents, duh, duh, and how my yeah that's a carpenter soundtrack, man
Peter
01:04:18
Three times. I was so proud of myself that it was only three times I tapped the remote to see how much longer does this movie have? That's there. But it was it was entertaining. It was entertaining to watch. And I think I watched it and went, yeah, I just maybe it's not for me. That's fair. And that's okay. That's fair. And that's okay.
Eden
01:04:40
That is fair. We have to find uh if I did posit as at the I did at the start of the segment that is John Carpenter maybe my favorite genre filmmaker, we need to find who your favorite genre filmmaker is.
Peter
01:04:54
Okay. We can we can make that a quest for us to discover.
Eden
01:04:58
It might it might need to be. Is it Jimmy Cameron? Do you like Jim Cameron movies? That's now there's what there's an attitude we can agree on. We were just talking earlier today because we were looking at the uh We started selling uh DVDs and Blu-rays at the comic shop because there was no place downtown to buy movies. And so it was something that my colleague Jackson, who's really into movies, wanted to get into. And I think I mentioned someone like just donated like six boxes of anime to us. So we use that to kind of, you know, as a jumping board into now having DVDs. But there's this other, you know, there's uh he's a film professor at the university, and whenever he has too many DVDs or Blu-rays, he brings them to us and we give him a little bit of store credit for them. And then Jackson was pricing them today. And there was like a box set of the first six alien movies. Okay. And as we were talking about them, I posited, I think, Aliens, the James Cameron one. It's maybe the second worst aliens movie.
Peter
01:05:58
Uh and see now I have to say, I it is the only aliens movie I've ever seen. All of. Well, you should watch Alien. And so I think Aliens was I remember liking it when I watched it, but I haven't watched it since I was a teenager. That's fair.
Eden
01:06:14
Yeah, no, I think it's uh the only one in that box set. I haven't seen uh the newest one, Romulus, because the uh I I Refuse to see it on principle alone because I hate what they're doing with AI uh home. Sorry, but my Bilbo Baggins is dead. Don't put him in the movie. Uh Alien Covenant, that is worse. Okay. But I would rather watch the very campy Alien Resurrection than I would watch Aliens again.
Peter
01:06:44
I I like Terminator 2, but again. I don't think I've it's not as good as Terminator. Terminator is I don't think I've seen Terminator 2 since again, maybe I was a teenager. That's that's a real teen movie, is the thing. Like it's one of those that I have zero desire to go back and see, and I'm looking at the rest of his filmography and I'm like Uh Avatar Haven't seen any of the other two Avatar movies because the first one I was like the look here. I went and saw Avatar in IMAX 3D i in in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, because my wife and I were there for something, and I was like, let's go do it. And that experience was cool. But I all came out of it and I thought to myself, there is no condition, there is no circumstance. on this earth that I want to watch that movie again. Mm-hmm. Um I I think we can safely say it's not Jimmy C.
Eden
01:07:42
Well, we're gonna have to think about it. Is it Ridley Scott, maybe? Riddle Scott's not really he's not really a genre filmmaker. I mean he is, but he's not. He puts out the thing about Ridley Scott is that guy just works. He's in his eighties and he still puts out a movie every year.
Peter
01:07:57
Yeah, that's the thing though, is I guarantee you, if I look at his list of movies, I probably haven't seen that many of his. Is it George Miller? Have you seen the Mad Max movies? Eh, I saw up I I watched the first three because our father loved them.
Eden
01:08:11
Yeah, they're pretty good.
Peter
01:08:13
You've never seen Fury Road? No, that's what I keep meaning to suggest we have to watch for this. Because I know everybody said it's good.
Eden
01:08:20
Spoiler alert for next episode. We're watching Mad Max Fury Road, I guess.
Peter
01:08:24
All right, perfect. Okay, so um I am looking at Ridley Scott's films, and I can look at this and literally tell you, the only Ridley Scott movie I can honestly say I have seen start to finish is The Martian. You've never seen Blade Runner? Not the whole thing. What? I've never sat down and watched all of Blade Runner because here's the thing, this stupid thing. At the time I was old enough to actually be interested in Blade Runner, there were too damn many versions of Blade Runner to watch.
Eden
01:08:54
I didn't know which fucking one to watch. That's true. It's the final cut. You watch the final cut. You've never seen 1492 Conquest of Paradise with Girard DePardu as Cristobal Cologne with Sigourney Weaver as Queen Isabel of Spain? That movie sucks. That's a real bad movie.
Peter
01:09:14
No, I have not.
Eden
01:09:15
That's a really bad movie. Well, we're gonna have to c uh we're gonna watch Fury Road. Um It is a movie that I actually don't like as much as I think most people do, even though I do like it quite a bit. It's not my favorite Mad Max movie. Road Warrior is still my favorite Mad Max movie. But if you've never seen it You gotta watch Fury Road.
Peter
01:09:36
Yeah, it's what I hear. It's what I hear.
Eden
01:09:38
So you gotta you're gonna want to turn the subwoofer up nice and loud.
Peter
01:09:43
and have a good time with it. Yep. That's what I hear. We'll have to do it. But cool. Well any other thoughts before we wrap up today?
Eden
01:09:51
No, but uh this is a gonna be a fun hunt, I think, over the next few ye months maybe to figure out Who is Peter's genre director? Who does he like?
Peter
01:10:01
And and here's what I think we're gonna discover. I've seen far fewer movies than you think I have seen. That's fair. You're gonna find out that I don't watch very many movies. Well, that's that's part of why we do this, right? It is. It is absolutely true. So well we'll be back in two weeks. And right there, folks, now you know we're gonna be talking about Mad Max Fury Road. We can skip Furiosa. We don't need to talk about that one. It's not very good. Okay. Well, we'll be back in a couple weeks. And uh go ahead, leave us a review, leave us a star rating, share it with other folks, and uh we'll talk to you in a couple weeks.
Eden
01:10:36
Bye.