Season 5 SAVED Rivals, Gambit is BROKEN and NERF Psylocke FT Madlilg and Mikesaboveeu

In this episode of the pod hosts Coach Mills and ‪Captain Coach sit down with special guests Madlilg‬ and ‪Mikesaboveeu to talk about Season 5 of Marvel Rivals!!!

What is Clear Comms Podcast?

A Marvel Rivals Podcast hosted by Coach Mills and CaptainCoach, two creator and educators for Marvel Rivals. We discuss all things Rivals including META, balance and the future of development. We will often debate controversial topics that surround the game and plan to bring on many exciting guests from pros to devs!!!

Matthew Mills (00:01.086)
What's up guys, welcome to Clearcoms here with a new episode. We got two exciting guests, Mad Little G and Mike's Above EU. Welcome guys, how y'all doing? Yeah. What's up guys? What's up, what's up?

Mike (00:04.91)
Mic's above you!

Madlilg (00:09.754)
doing fabulous.

CaptainCoach (00:12.93)
I'm, yeah, we threw, yeah, we threw this together last minute, man. Hit up the homies, hit up, see you guys in game all the time. Big fan of your content, both of you guys. So happy to have you guys on,

Mike (00:13.262)
Okay.

Madlilg (00:13.968)
What's going on guys? Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me.

Matthew Mills (00:18.012)
Of course.

Mike (00:19.63)
Thank you.

Madlilg (00:22.821)
solid.

Madlilg (00:27.527)
W's

Matthew Mills (00:29.076)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure, you know, hey, I know the chat's already gonna be mad or comments are gonna be mad that we didn't get a support player on, but Mike's is a new reform support player now. Let's go, let's go. So how you liking Gambit, bro? How you liking it?

Mike (00:29.358)
Same to you.

Madlilg (00:37.19)
Might be playing, yeah. That's right. Mic us up now.

Mike (00:37.292)
That... I'm reformed! I'm reformed!

He is the best addition to this game of all time. There's no addition better than Gambit. And you can debate me about that. There's nobody better than Gambit. Ever.

Matthew Mills (00:52.968)
That's from the Torch guy, that's crazy. yeah, yeah, you're like, man, I G's going for Daredevil.

Madlilg (00:53.704)
I don't know, Daredevil was fire. Daredevil was pretty good, Daredevil was pretty good. Pretty good ad.

CaptainCoach (01:00.716)
So we talking good for the game in terms of just like fun to play or you talking like more as the game as a whole?

Mike (01:08.194)
I'm talking everything bro, he's fun to play, he's the only support to where you can actually fight back to like a diver, because if you're on Luna, if you're on Mantis, or like any other CC person, you gotta pray that you hit like a snowball or sleep, but with Gambit you can actually just fight back, which is something that's like never been done by his support. And he's forgiving, yeah.

CaptainCoach (01:28.876)
So he's more forgiving to play, you would say.

Madlilg (01:29.277)
This is true.

Matthew Mills (01:31.944)
Do you think that that's because of, because I've been playing him a lot too, and I think, do you think it's because of his mobility that creates those opportunities? Like what is it exactly about him that lets him like fight back?

Mike (01:42.338)
So his mobility and his he's able to burst heal and he like he's very versatile meaning that where if you get dived by like a BP you can you know dash up in the air and heal yourself which is really important you can heal yourself and deal damage like that is unheard of for a strategist it's really just unheard of

Madlilg (02:01.383)
He's that versatile because he was supposed to be a DPS they had the last minute that shit they had that last minute it bro They had to bro. They had to otherwise everyone was quitting the game. Let's be honest. Let me be honest. They had to

Matthew Mills (02:01.652)
except for like,

they tweaked it!

yeah. That's actually crazy. That's funny to think about because they might have legitimately like changed the character.

CaptainCoach (02:11.179)
So.

Mike (02:12.386)
Y'all rolling.

Madlilg (02:15.975)
It is like they literally have damage cards and then they swapped and then they added another one That's exactly the copy and paste but they heal instead. It is literally exactly what they did 100 % He's literally tft that could heal now bro. This is what it is twisted family

Matthew Mills (02:24.232)
That's fucking wild. That's actually wild. That's actually wild to think about.

CaptainCoach (02:29.515)
But yeah, so we're seeing then DPS players finally getting drawn to the role of support in the game, which I think up until this point, we haven't really seen people want to play the support characters because, and this has been the hot topic on this podcast in particular, a lot of people think that support players are, you know, the role is easier to play because of the character design. Thoughts on that?

Madlilg (02:56.391)
Well, I Ultron was appealing but then he was just boring as fuck, you know So I mean they could have done more with that, but I know what you're saying I think Gambit looks a lot more fun I think that's the problem with this game is all the healers feel like heal bots and that's all you're doing you look away They're Gambit. He could kind of like play the game. You know what mean? You could like heal and do damage, you know

Matthew Mills (03:03.954)
Is it?

Matthew Mills (03:13.3)
Yeah, I mean, this is like probably the first support that has actually taken like a full on DPS player like Mike's and actually convinced him to grind like that. Like there's no other like that's a dub. And I think like in general, if you can create characters that take people from other roles and make them try the role, that's a fucking dub.

Mike (03:13.36)
Yeah.

Madlilg (03:26.919)
This is true.

Madlilg (03:33.831)
But I think it'll make filling easier too with Gambit, right? Cause like DPS players, want to play fun characters. There's no fun subs, but now they have Gambit. So there's a bit of a challenge. So it'll make people want to feel, you know, like, uh, it was kind like Overwatch. I don't know if you guys played Overwatch, bro, but like on Overwatch, if I had to fill and play a sub, I was down, bro. The subs on that game are fun, you know, like a lot of skill expression. You know what I mean? Like I felt like this game, no, go ahead. Sorry.

Mike (03:49.992)
Yeah. Ha ha.

Matthew Mills (03:50.036)
You're locking Zed? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (03:52.61)
How much do you think people playing Gambert right now is him being fun versus him being OP? Because he's OP. For sure is the most busted character in the game. He's probably S++.

Madlilg (04:02.455)
Yeah, yeah. Nah, his... I don't know why they keep making these fucking AoE ults that give damage and heal at the same time. I don't know why they keep doing these ults. Like I said, bro, I think you're supposed to be DPS, but then they're like lazy riding these sup ults, bro. They all have the same ult. Mantis, Luna, Gambit. They all do the same shit, just like a little bit of different mixes. Like, where's all the fun ults at, bro? They don't make any fun ults? Like, the supports have no fun ults?

Matthew Mills (04:08.212)
Mike's like watch out watch out don't get him banned don't get him banned. He said don't get him banned don't get him banned

CaptainCoach (04:09.569)
It's like, nah, that's my character.

Mike (04:14.702)
I object!

CaptainCoach (04:21.365)
Ha ha ha.

Matthew Mills (04:29.34)
Yeah. That's what I had joked.

CaptainCoach (04:31.135)
Hmm.

Madlilg (04:31.423)
I Gambit's is really cool, but it's like it's fucking insane, bro. Have you ever, dude, on Daredevil, you know how like Daredevil every time someone looks at him, it does the tick, like the damage? When Gambit is ulting with him, it does double damage, because every time you do damage with Gambit's ult, it does the card throw. So with Daredevil, it does like doubles, it like double ticks. It's like, it sounds fucking insane. You got to try it. It's broken.

Matthew Mills (04:39.016)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (04:48.321)
damn. I didn't know that.

Matthew Mills (04:49.456)
That's kind of what I wanted to talk about because I know you play a lot of Daredevil and like Daredevil is legit and he's obviously super strong. Were you surprised that going into this patch he didn't get any nerfs at all? They just like, they kind of went the opposite way where they're just like, let's just buff everything. Let's not make any nerfs.

Madlilg (05:04.901)
Honestly, it.

Mmm. I know was really nervous. I thought he was gonna get the iron fist treatment. so I'm really happy they didn't but I think the reason they didn't is because If they would have nerfed him, he's like a hard hero to nerf, right? If you nerf anything on him, he'll be like dogshit kind of I think the only thing you can safe nerf on daredevil is maybe his like sustain his health a little bit and I don't think his damage y'all think his damage is crazy, but it's the baton glitch, bro If you throw the baton, sometimes it can one-shot support So that's why everyone hates daredevil if they just fix that then his damage would be fine

Matthew Mills (05:11.474)
Right.

CaptainCoach (05:37.205)
What do you think would be a bigger nerf to him? A nerf to his base health or his shielding?

Madlilg (05:37.68)
but

Madlilg (05:43.336)
I don't know, like the shielding because it helps a lot with like playmaking, you know what mean? Like, I like playmaking heroes, that's why I played a lot of Iron Fist. I don't know, I feel like his deflects. I don't know, it's cool. I don't know, I feel like... I don't know, he's hard hero to nerf, Because if they take away any of his like his fury, that's how he gets his resets. If they like take any ability that gives him fury reset away, then he'll be like not fun to play, his character won't be smooth. It's just, it would be bad for him, honestly.

Matthew Mills (05:47.922)
They could make his deflect maybe a little longer, maybe deflect a little shorter.

Matthew Mills (05:58.502)
It's... It's...

CaptainCoach (05:59.948)
Well, you-

CaptainCoach (06:12.071)
You're like known for your...

Madlilg (06:12.475)
I think at most they can maybe do some damage, know? Damage or sustain. Like he doesn't need 325 HP. They could just put him at like 300 and then maybe give him a little less shields when he uses abilities. And I think he'd be fine. And then just fix the glitch that could one shot something, you know? They could fix that.

Mike (06:21.476)
You

Matthew Mills (06:24.914)
A little bit easier to punish if he fucks up. Yeah.

Mike (06:25.445)
Yes.

Yeah

CaptainCoach (06:29.427)
You're kind of known for your short content, right? Madlil G? Yeah, like how much- how many like more clips have you gotten just with the introduction of Daredevil into the game? Like has it been crazy or- because I feel like he gets like really good clips.

Madlilg (06:33.479)
I'd say so,

Madlilg (06:45.031)
Yeah, I'd say so. I feel like the clips are harder to watch because like when you watch Daredevil gameplay, you're like, what the fuck is going on? And like I kind of I kind of spammed up, but I spammed the batons. So it's like I just look at the floor kind of like cap shield and I'm just like throwing shit at the floor. So the clips are like hard to watch because it's like I'm looking at the floor the whole time, just throwing the billy clubs at the ground and people are like, what the fuck going on? And you just see the kills popping up, you know what I mean? So it is kind of it is kind of fucked up, but definitely a lot, you know, definitely could like walk teams to their spawn is like what I call it like.

Matthew Mills (06:49.748)
I'm a stupid man.

CaptainCoach (06:57.793)
You

CaptainCoach (07:04.289)
That's funny. Yeah.

Mike (07:04.405)
Yes.

Madlilg (07:14.151)
walk them to their spawn. Mike knows it. He plays with me all the time. I stay walking them to spawn. And I die for it, but it's just, that's how it goes. Getting the clips.

Matthew Mills (07:16.18)
That's It is what it is so that that's something that's interesting like going into this patch like going into five season five I think a lot of people like probably expected some amount of venom nerfs some amount of daredevil nerfs Psylocke nerfs support nerfs and instead of doing any any nerfs they didn't zero nerfs They just gave like 20 characters buffs. How do y'all feel about just cranking shit up power creeping the fuck out of the game? How do y'all feel do you think it creates good gameplay?

CaptainCoach (07:21.492)
haha

Mike (07:23.234)
It's the best season ever bro

Madlilg (07:31.398)
Yeah.

Madlilg (07:40.763)
I think it was good. I think it was good.

Matthew Mills (07:44.02)
Because I've been having a lot of fun in season five. I think season five has been a really good time and I was surprised. It's surprising.

Madlilg (07:47.026)
I feel like this season has been pretty good. I just feel like there's more shit to ban this season. Every season it's felt like there was just hard ban this, hard ban that. This season it's like, you can kind of mix it up a little bit, know, like Groot's a viable ban now, Psylocke, all that same shit. You know, like you can just ban a lot of good stuff now. Daredevil's still good ban. But like last season it was like, if you don't ban Venom, you don't ban HELLO, you just call Raps now, you know. Or like the season before, it was Torch, bro. You don't ban Torch, you gotta match it, you're fucked. You know, so it was just, I think it was good, dude. I think the...

A lot of people were mad when they didn't nerf anyone, I think buffing what's weak is better for games. I don't know if you guys played Helldivers, but that's how Helldivers died. They fucking nerfed everything to the ground instead of buffing what was bad. And then it made the game unplayable and no one liked it. It was unfun. I think every character should feel good, you know? Like every character should feel fun.

Matthew Mills (08:30.516)
Do you think they can keep doing that forever? Or you think there's a point of no return or diminishing returns? You said, keep pumping, keep pumping, bro.

Madlilg (08:34.631)
Well obviously at some point they have to kind of like balance out, you know what I mean? But I mean I just feel like there's a lot of heroes that need some more, you know, like I'm sure Captain Coach knows he plays Tank bro, but like when I look at the Tank role I'm like bro, there's like not one fun fucking Tank except for Groot dude. Like I don't know how you play Hulk bro. I don't know how you guys do it bro. Because it's like Magneto and Emma dominate, like why play anything else though, you know? That's why this season's better because they actually made a lot of the Tanks better but...

Mike (08:36.97)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (08:39.777)
I think they can.

Matthew Mills (08:52.412)
Why? No, no, no.

CaptainCoach (08:53.825)
I'll tell you why

Mike (08:55.021)
Mm. Thank

Madlilg (09:03.195)
I still think Hulk is ass, bro. don't know how you do it, bro. Every time I play that dude, just like you jump in, you just like blow a shield and you jump out.

CaptainCoach (09:05.951)
Well... They-

Well, the thing is, they didn't make Brawl meta like it was when Thing was released, but they made Brawl playable. Like everything right now, I feel like is kind of playable because they buffed the tanks and that gets enough people to play Brawl, which Coach Millis, you said, can they keep it up? As long as they keep the Brawly, easy to hit heroes popular, people are gonna play those because they're easy and fun and want the melee, because most heroes usually don't really have that.

And then the ranged characters can be like, okay, yeah, like it's a good metaphor. Everyone is what I'm saying. And I think buffing, like I think the cap change is one of the best changes they could make to the game. What they need to do now is just nerf the support alts. Cause what you're doing is you're taking power away from the supports and moving them to the tanks. I'm talking about the, alt reduction with shields. Make that like a cap exclusive thing. Make that his identity is like, okay, he's all about stalling. Right. And then you can kind of like take power away from these support alts and make them fun, like Gambit and not have it ruin the game.

Madlilg (09:39.175)
you

Mike (09:42.188)
Yeah. you

Madlilg (09:43.334)
Yeah.

Madlilg (09:51.92)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (09:56.596)
The old, the old, yeah yeah.

CaptainCoach (10:06.497)
Cause I feel like Gambit Alt's like really good, but it's like kinda balanced. Apart from the broken thing you were talking about.

Mike (10:10.192)
Dude he's so broken like of course like of course I play gambit of course I play gambit but the fact like I wouldn't blame if he wasn't fun, but he's so Unbelievably broken you can anti-heal you can cleanse you can deal damage to any diver you can Like do anything you do anything

Matthew Mills (10:10.772)
I kinda- wait wait wait wait my mics what do you think? What do you think about Gavin mics? What do you think about his old-

Madlilg (10:11.284)
It's pretty it's pretty good, bro. It makes everyone fast. They do way damage. They cook it cooks

Matthew Mills (10:20.446)
That's he's broke.

CaptainCoach (10:21.044)
Yeah

Madlilg (10:22.247)
It's pretty strong,

Matthew Mills (10:33.17)
Yeah, the cleansing cleansing Angela is fucking wall, by the way. This is the way it's like. well, that's the thing. So like after playing Gambit, I legitimately think they need to rework Ultron. Like you cannot go back to Ultron and tell me that that character doesn't demand a rework. And I honestly would would argue that they should rework the Ultimates of like at least like two supports. Like if if Ultimates are just like I talked about this in the last part, it's like.

Mike (10:39.086)
Yes, bro, it's crazy.

Madlilg (10:47.76)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (10:48.565)
Mmm.

Matthew Mills (11:00.39)
If ultimates are either press Q to save your team or press Q to kill, they're just like pretty boring, un-interactive ultimates. Like I think ult should have like some type of play. Yeah, it's Psylocke too. Like what the, why is a character that has like such high skill just have like a brain dead ultimate? Like I don't understand why they did that. That seems so weird.

Madlilg (11:06.983)
Psylocke.

Mike (11:11.982)
Yeah Yeah

Madlilg (11:14.887)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (11:17.025)
I might be a...

Madlilg (11:17.509)
Yeah, I don't know.

Matthew Mills (11:19.038)
But like I think Hulk Old is a good old. It's actually it's like that's like an actual real old like.

Madlilg (11:20.935)
Well, didn't they take away that juggling mechanic or did bring that back? Okay.

CaptainCoach (11:22.049)
Well, that's all I saying.

Nah, they brought it back, doesn't b- I guess what I meant in terms of the Gambit, it's fun to play with. Like, I like when a Gambit's on my team. With like, Aluna and Mantis, I don't really- I'm like, okay, I just can't die. But like, Gambit, I'm like, okay, we got the big jumps, the big- Like, it's just- He's fun. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (11:31.425)
that's true. That is true.

Madlilg (11:38.255)
Yeah, well it's so aggressive. It's so fun. I like playing Groot with it because I could get a big hop and throw like a massive Groot ult just over all the shields and everything. I think it's a good ad.

Matthew Mills (11:43.729)
Yeah.

Mike (11:44.184)
Yes

Matthew Mills (11:46.396)
Yeah, I think that group that changed the group was actually insane too, like really good.

Madlilg (11:51.3)
Yeah, because like, let's be honest, there's so many characters that could displace in this game and the Groot was just like, he has so many, you know, you can't ban them all, so it's, yeah.

Mike (11:53.134)
Yeah

Matthew Mills (11:57.298)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucking insane to put your wall like somewhere behind a corner and then you're just saying that Bucky can't hook you. You're just like, fuck you. Like that's insane.

Madlilg (12:05.571)
I was amazing. Yeah, well, because I feel like Groot should feel like the tank of the game. You know what mean? Like, and they did. I think it was a good ad. Especially with buffing Wolverine and everything. Yeah. Well, he's just the one that's like on point. He's the one that gets fucking beat up, you know, like he's the one that takes the shit to the face. You know, every other tank is really mobile, bro, except for Groot. Every tank has a dash of some sort or their like base MS is quicker. Groot is so slow, you know, so it's just like they needed that. They needed that.

Matthew Mills (12:10.763)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually a good point. He was the one that got booped around. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Mills (12:19.987)
Yeah.

Mike (12:22.11)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (12:22.632)
Yeah.

Mike (12:30.43)
Yeah. you

Matthew Mills (12:30.6)
That's true, yeah, yeah. Getting fucking hooked by Angela, Wolverine grabbed, yeah, you just, yeah.

Madlilg (12:33.763)
Yeah, it's just like nothing, right? Just get tossed. Fucking Jeff shoots a ball and it knocks you. It's just annoying. It's like everything, dude. Everything throwing him around.

Matthew Mills (12:37.968)
Hahaha!

CaptainCoach (12:39.777)
Yeah, does, I mean that Ironwood wall, the one you're talking about that makes him CC immune within 15 meters, pretty much took away his major weakness, which was like displacement and getting hooked. Do you think Groot has enough weaknesses now, or do you think like that's like, do you think that's good for the game?

Madlilg (12:48.87)
Mm-hmm.

Madlilg (12:54.363)
I think it's still good. it's kind of like Penny, right? You know, if it's like, you know, shoot her nest, she's going to live forever. So it's like the same shit, right? You got to find Groot's wall. You got to find Penny's nest, you know, it's like the same thing. I think it was good for Groot though, dude. I felt like Groot was, it hasn't really been played since earlier seasons. You know what I mean? Like you barely see Groot. And it's only 15 meters. It's not like insane, you know, he's got to play pretty close to the point. It's not like I could place the wall and then walk to their spawn, you know, like you got to find the wall.

Mike (12:56.884)
you

Matthew Mills (13:09.384)
I- Yeah, yeah, I- Yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (13:10.017)
There's definitely counterplay. Like you just fill the wall. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (13:18.388)
Yeah. I also think in the state of Wolverine, those characters have such polarizing matchups where Wolverine's just gonna always fuck up Groot in his old state, that you're either gonna have to make Wolverine a permaban or unplayable in order for Groot to be good. And now you don't really have to. think Groot's have... They're still not great in the matchup, but you have some counterplay. You can do something about it.

CaptainCoach (13:18.401)
I think it was a good change.

Madlilg (13:35.014)
Yeah.

Madlilg (13:40.793)
Yeah, I think it's good. I think a lot of Wolverine players are mad because Wolverine's like sole purpose was for group I felt like but he's still really good against a lot of other tanks, know displacing and shit. I hate Wolverine. He's annoying

CaptainCoach (13:49.612)
Well, it raises an interesting question, which is, do you think it's better to balance the game around buffing characters or nerfing characters? And I mean, based off of that argument, you would say buffing, right? Because it helps them with the counterplay, keeps them in the meta. You could say, like, OK, we need to nerf Wulve and nerf this. So do you guys just want everything in the game to be OP then? Do you think that's a good direction for the game?

Mike (14:08.516)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Madlilg (14:10.971)
I think it was, I mean it was kinda like season zero right? Like I think that's why a lot of people had a lot of fun. But it was also because everyone was figuring shit out. But there was a lot in season zero that was like super strong you know? And it was just like over time more and more people found out. And then like a lot of changes needed to be made though for sure. Like BP, Iron Fist.

Matthew Mills (14:25.524)
It's kind of interesting because I think that this meta will be solved like eventually But because the game changes so fast if they just do big patches like this every season We'll never have enough time to figure shit out and we'll just have the fun period You can just have like that fun period by the time people are finally figuring shit out They're like, all right. No new shit. Everything's new new balance new buffs new stuff like that

Mike (14:44.69)
Yeah.

Madlilg (14:45.563)
Mmm.

CaptainCoach (14:47.649)
You were gonna say something, Mike?

Mike (14:49.962)
yeah, I hate Penny bro, I really I hate it I Hate I hate that character so much. I hate that character so much

Matthew Mills (14:52.54)
hahahahah

Madlilg (14:54.651)
Me too bro, me too. I think her changes were fucked up bro, those changes were fucked up. Nah, her healing is actually insane dude. It's not-

Matthew Mills (14:56.98)
Bro, that's it.

CaptainCoach (15:03.541)
But it kind of just goes back to what you're saying. Just find the walls, shoot it, find the mines, shoot it. Or else you don't win.

Mike (15:03.765)
I go

Mike (15:07.422)
You can't find the mods for a penny though. Yeah. Yeah, that shit's so broken, man.

Madlilg (15:08.071)
Fuck dude. Yeah, but when she's got the team up with Rocket bro, and it's like I play melee heroes like you said there's a lot of melee heroes sometimes it's hard to get those fucking nests bro.

Matthew Mills (15:08.306)
Yeah, on some of the show, there's just nowhere to go.

CaptainCoach (15:12.458)
It's.

CaptainCoach (15:17.363)
It's kind of funny that the entire game basically revolves around this little mini game of you being able to find this tiny thing on the map and just shoot it until it dies. it's kind of funny that that's pretty much where Penny is at right now. Cause I think she's like totally, I banned Penny, I banned her.

Matthew Mills (15:26.078)
Yeah.

Mike (15:27.029)
Yeah.

Madlilg (15:30.587)
Yeah.

Mike (15:31.854)
Yeah, Penny has a 61 % win rate in all ranks. No character has ever been over 60 % and Penny just randomly gets to 61%. Like, that's crazy.

Madlilg (15:34.011)
Yeah, no, she's a good band.

Matthew Mills (15:37.012)
Yeah, it, you it.

The thing is she's only broken in rank though like if you had any coordination or like people were willing to swap they would just counter so easily if you just like went like star side flyers spammers pokers But like the problem is ranked people would just run it fucking down into the end of the penny Non-stop and they keep dying over and over and over again. I Mean, I don't know how you balance that though. What do you do? How do you balance that? What do you you just make the character dog shit all the time? I don't

Madlilg (15:42.566)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (15:50.101)
Yeah.

Madlilg (16:00.232)
you

CaptainCoach (16:02.591)
Net- Netis?

They have been very clear. Mettys does not think Penny is OP. Apparently. Apparently.

Madlilg (16:09.639)
That's tough. Yeah, they want to keep adding melee heroes and then not think Penny's OP is crazy. I think the melee heroes are good ad though, because it's like the majority of the people that play this game are on like console and console loves the fucking here. Like the melee. I heard they barely play Hella and shit on ranked over there. It's all like Captain America, Iron Fist, fucking just melee heroes. Yeah, there's like they see Hella on PC and they're like, why the fuck there's so many Hella players? Like no Hella players on P- on

Matthew Mills (16:11.88)
Yeah, yeah, I did that.

Mike (16:12.012)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (16:29.896)
Magic, a lot of fucking magic,

Mike (16:32.014)
Yeah Yeah

Matthew Mills (16:35.834)
Yeah

CaptainCoach (16:38.015)
Yeah, that's an interesting.

Madlilg (16:38.727)
I think that's why a lot of balancing is fucked up because you know we're always on PC like why they fucking nerf and melee heroes what the fuck but then on like console they're dominating you know it's kind of weird

Matthew Mills (16:48.329)
Right.

CaptainCoach (16:49.365)
Yeah, that's actually something I should probably look at is the win rates on characters on console versus PC. That'd probably help us a lot actually, Coach Mills was just looking at like their philosophy behind design. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (16:56.372)
Yeah. Understanding it. Right, right, right.

Madlilg (17:00.327)
Yeah, because I think the bigger majority is definitely on console, At least for this game.

Mike (17:04.396)
Yeah, not a single not a single person plays torch on console either like that character is just unheard of he's just

Matthew Mills (17:04.519)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Madlilg (17:09.712)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (17:10.066)
Yeah, it's also like a problem with like characters like BP. You can get pretty close to the skill ceiling on that comparatively on the console. Like there's really good BP players on console. But like the hitscan players like trying to track a BP is way harder. Like we can 180 and fucking hit a sleep on a BP on PC. They ain't doing that shit on console, not reliably. So it's really hard. Like we ask, like it makes sense that the communities like split in some ways. And like one of the things that they did in Overwatch that I wonder what y'all think about is

Mike (17:19.769)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is a great idea.

CaptainCoach (17:24.501)
Yeah.

Madlilg (17:30.011)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (17:38.74)
They actually had different balance patches for console and PC. It's a slippery slope though. It's hard because like then all of sudden guide videos are kind of fucking weird, tier lists are disconnected. The community is not on the same page. Someone's like, oh, you're just this rank because you're boosted by, it's buffed on, you know, like it's weird. Like I can get it, but I don't know if it's a great thing. Right, you do.

CaptainCoach (17:42.101)
Now that's a good idea.

Madlilg (17:42.791)
it would make sense.

Madlilg (17:50.733)
Mmm, it's true.

Madlilg (17:54.938)
As true.

Mike (17:58.686)
Yeah. Yeah

CaptainCoach (18:01.974)
You definitely divide your community and the competitive. I don't know how many people in the competitive scene are console players though, like are there any? I don't think so.

Madlilg (18:02.277)
I think... I

Matthew Mills (18:07.892)
No, they all play console on PC. Like there are console pros, but they're on PC. They play on PC.

CaptainCoach (18:13.663)
Yeah, so it would.

Madlilg (18:14.183)
Yeah, there's a, yeah, I was gonna say all the good controller players are on PC.

CaptainCoach (18:17.619)
Okay. So then it wouldn't matter then. To most people. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (18:18.428)
Yeah. Well, yeah, just mainly the splitting the community is the big problem. It's just like you further divide the community. And I think probably like cross play is a little harder, I guess. Cross play, cross by the lobbies, cross play gaming.

Mike (18:18.59)
Yeah Yeah yeah, that would be horrible because it would just be it would just be like such a skill gap cuz it I did a challenge where I did a

CaptainCoach (18:31.509)
yeah.

Madlilg (18:32.44)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (18:33.915)
yet.

Mike (18:38.712)
Bronson double hundred on controller and it was way easier. It was way way easier than PC I'm gonna say it loud like if you put I'm gonna say it loud. I'm gonna say loud

Madlilg (18:42.631)
Don't say it too loud, bro. Just kidding. gonna have everyone in his comments.

Matthew Mills (18:42.676)
You thought so.

CaptainCoach (18:43.073)
Really? Wow, yeah.

Matthew Mills (18:46.196)
Yeah, that's how I'm gonna say it. Bro, bro, didn't you play Torch though? You played Torch though. Like, yeah, like, I mean, I mean, it's gonna be easier if you're on Torch for sure. Because they have to shoot. They can't shoot. yeah, because I did the same thing I did to Celestial on Magic.

CaptainCoach (18:48.545)
Alright, here it goes.

CaptainCoach (18:54.581)
he's got his name right up there too, like he ain't hiding from anybody, about to come to his chat

Mike (19:02.22)
The- like... Like... The thing is, they- like the enemy team can't shoot you, but your healers also can't shoot you. You know what mean?

CaptainCoach (19:02.785)
You know where to find them.

Matthew Mills (19:14.374)
And I don't feel like it was easier at all because it was all fucking things and pennies every game. Like that's all people played. And I'm like, okay, all right, well, that doesn't have to play against, but I do get like, yeah, flying. guess like flying, yeah, but.

Mike (19:19.267)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (19:19.989)
Hehehehehe

Mike (19:24.418)
Yeah.

Cause like they always, from my experience, again, this from my experience. I'm not hating on console. This is from my experience. players, console players play the easier characters. every single, if you compare a grand master console versus a grand master PC comps, like what they run, the comp on console is always going to be an easier.

Matthew Mills (19:35.06)
He's hating, he's hating comments. Roast them up, bro. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, I'm kidding.

Mike (19:54.412)
like to play character than PC. It's just how it is.

Madlilg (19:57.618)
Makes a good point. I wonder what the pick rates for Hello are on console.

Matthew Mills (19:59.58)
It's probably low. they're high?

Mike (20:01.282)
They're really high in high elo, in high elo like, yeah, in the high elo of the console and PC, they're like the exact same, but anywhere below like top of 100, the comps are like completely different.

Madlilg (20:06.084)
I'm actually.

Madlilg (20:11.239)
That's why balancing this game is hard, bro. Because in like Diamond and Lower, they're banning Wanda and Iron Man every game. And it's like, what the fuck are you doing? It doesn't make any sense.

Mike (20:16.13)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (20:16.487)
You

Matthew Mills (20:17.298)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that that speaking of Wanda like basically because they buff so many things, I think all the things that didn't get buffed in this patch that weren't broken in the last patch are like fucking terrible. Like characters like Wanda that they were already not good and they were one of the few characters that did not get a buff. Right. Like any character that meets that that like, you know, anything that was just not buffed like Ultron. I mean, Ultron was already not that good last patch. Didn't get buffed here.

Mike (20:35.532)
Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (20:47.294)
So he's just like basically unplayable. I think that's pretty much true. Thor. Thor was okay. Didn't get buffed. Now he's fucking terrible, you know?

Madlilg (20:53.969)
feel like, I feel like they're keeping, go ahead, sorry.

CaptainCoach (20:54.363)
one... I just wanted to ask Mike about that because we, I mean, we just talked about earlier how we kind of liked the idea of everybody getting buffed. And then it seems like, like they over-corrected on Torch and I feel like he just got like way over-nerfed. I mean, we got, we got Human Torch like taking up half our screen, you know, we got to talk about it, right?

Matthew Mills (20:59.284)
you

Mike (21:08.635)
yeah. Yeah, it's so bad. It's horrible.

Matthew Mills (21:09.881)
yeah, cause- yeah yeah yeah

Madlilg (21:14.375)
Well, that's what they like to do. They did that with Ironfish. They like over buffed him for season two, like way too hard. And then they just removed everything they did plus more. It was like, what? What the fuck? Why'd you do that? And he was like unplayable for a minute there. Then they gave him more percentage damage and then we just kind of balanced out, but.

Matthew Mills (21:15.278)
what?

Matthew Mills (21:24.85)
What? That's a name.

Matthew Mills (21:30.644)
How do you feel about Iron Fist right now? Like just overall?

Madlilg (21:32.326)
Hmm dude, I don't know with all the new changes and everything like iron fist. He's literally just a he's well He's just a tank goat now. He literally just like you really have to play Like he's really good against tanks looking me wrong, especially because they get more damage to tanks But like increasing all the health on the supports and everything It's like it's so hard to like secure a kill like almost all the iron fist players have quit except for like bencer bro like it's literally only bencer and like a few people in rank that swap to iron fist when they need like tank buster

Matthew Mills (21:36.274)
He doesn't seem terrible.

Just fucks up to, yeah.

Matthew Mills (21:48.852)
It's just really hard to make sense.

Matthew Mills (21:54.324)
Yeah. I forgot you.

Mike (21:55.51)
They

CaptainCoach (22:00.565)
Mike, did you want to give us your thoughts on what they should have done to torch?

Mike (22:06.19)
It's really hard because if they give him any minor buff he just becomes like the best character in the game Well, like not a minor buff, but a buff that like increases his uptime He's gonna be the best character game like hands down but the the fact is his neutral is so bad and I don't know why they didn't get given many buffs because he has a 0.5 percent pick rate which is That's the lowest has ever been in the game. Yeah, it's the lowest it's ever been

Matthew Mills (22:16.916)
Right.

Madlilg (22:18.055)
See ya.

Matthew Mills (22:26.644)
It's just so fucking terrible. Well, they mentioned it in the patch notes that they said that the meta has become way more diverse because of the fall of flyers. So like what it seems to me is they're having a really hard time balancing flyers. Like they don't know, they try to give characters tools, know, like thing can ground stuff and they try to give tools, Bucky can ground stuff, but it's hard because some characters just can't interact with flyers like at all.

Madlilg (22:27.111)
That's like the lowest.

Mike (22:36.931)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (22:47.425)
I know what they need to do. It's really easy. You just, when they go past a certain range away from the fight, you just lower their damage to the point where it's like never worth it to do that. Just get them to fight closer everybody. That's literally that'll fit. And then you can balance it way easier. That's all they got to do.

Matthew Mills (22:52.328)
You

Mike (22:56.717)
Yeah, I agree Yeah

Matthew Mills (22:56.948)
Just to get him to fly closer. They could also rework Torch to where he's like a more forward moving character instead of a height character. Like he has more forward momentum, you know, he's like flying through the battlefield instead of like above the battlefield. I don't know. I feel like flyers are really hard. Like they need to be careful every time they make a new flyer because it does that. Like it breaks the game.

Madlilg (23:02.218)
or

Madlilg (23:20.133)
Yeah, well I just... I feel like with this game, uptime is everything, right? You always want to be shooting, always want to be doing something. So whenever they take a character's uptime away, it's just like, I'm not playing that shit. You know what I mean? It's like, that's why I hate Spider-Man, bro, because it's like, you do a combo and you gotta go fuck off for a couple seconds, you know? And it's like, I think Spider-Man would be more fun, like, I think they should buff him, but not his damage. Everyone thinks they need to make him an assassin like a one-shot. He just needs more playtime. You know, that's why I Iron Fist or Daredevil, because I could just fucking...

Mike (23:22.97)
Yeah Yeah Yeah

Matthew Mills (23:25.15)
Okay

Mike (23:32.622)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (23:37.512)
Yeah

Matthew Mills (23:48.086)
Stay in that shit. Yeah.

Madlilg (23:48.2)
I can just be in there as long as I want, you know what I mean? That's why Captain Coach likes Hulk, because he's just fucking in there. He just likes to hit shit. You know, there's nothing more boring than a character where you gotta wait. I hate waiting. I hate waiting. Yeah, exactly. That's why I think BP should have more uptime instead of just like a quick burst, you know? They could add a burst- I don't know.

CaptainCoach (23:48.491)
Yeah.

light

Matthew Mills (23:53.632)
Yeah, it's yeah, yeah It's like like BP like that's like the big problem with BP. That's why yeah, yeah that's yeah, that's a That's the shout out to my boy car cat He wanted the car cat wanted like a like an uptime complete change like half his damage double his cooldowns know, you're fucking you're in there. You're in there like

CaptainCoach (23:53.781)
Dude, there's nothing like it. You're just always fighting.

Mike (23:58.542)
yeah, he's so boring Yeah Yeah

CaptainCoach (23:58.572)
Yeah, man.

Madlilg (24:12.689)
Yeah, because uptime is just more fun, know, more playmaking and like it doesn't piss support players off. Support players, the only thing they hate is being one shot. There's nothing they hate. That's why they won't make Widow one shot. That's why people hate BP. That's why they hate Spider-Man. But if they just like take away some of their damage and just give them more like resets and more uptime, like more fun to play, I think it'd be a lot better.

Matthew Mills (24:21.97)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

CaptainCoach (24:32.203)
feel like that's kind of the direction the game's going really is like higher APM stuff, like with the introduction of Gambit. And I think that really is, because they kind of the one-shot characters, Hawkeye and Widow, they're kind of like trying out different stuff with them, with the team ups, right? With like Widow now being able to heal. Curious to hear your thoughts on that. if like with like BP in particular, do think they should just lower his cool downs or?

Matthew Mills (24:32.21)
Hey, I can...

Mike (24:38.766)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah Yeah

Madlilg (24:59.143)
I don't know. I want him to have like more abilities. I don't think he should just be spirit dash, spirit dash. I feel like he should be able to like kind of brawl a little more, you know what I mean? Because like in the movies, he's a brawler, you know, like make him a little more lore accurate to the movies. Like Spider-Man, his base MS is so low. Why can't Spider-Man run as fast as he can on the walls on the ground? I think that'd be a good change. What the fuck? But yeah.

Matthew Mills (25:10.484)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (25:10.847)
Okay, so then with the.

CaptainCoach (25:18.155)
So with like the Widow and Hawkeye, then do you think that's what they were going for? Because they're both like more brawly technically, right?

Madlilg (25:23.631)
Yeah, I think that'd be cool. I think a complete rework on Widow would be tough. So she's not just like a sniper only like she could actually do a little more. I don't know. I hate Widow though, dude. She's like low-key the best anti-dive and no one talks about it. She's literally the best anti-dive in the game and no one talks about it. It's so broken. It's broken. And she can kick, she could kick the Hulk and then zipline me. And it's like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? It doesn't even make sense. I think it's dumb.

Mike (25:31.006)
Yeah, yeah

Matthew Mills (25:33.78)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, her kick her kick is literally Emma grab like it's like the same shit. It's actually the same shit Yeah, yeah, yeah

CaptainCoach (25:37.27)
Yeah.

Mike (25:39.954)
Yeah, it is Yeah Yeah

CaptainCoach (25:40.723)
She's, she's OP, she just doesn't fit into the game.

yeah.

Matthew Mills (25:47.528)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

CaptainCoach (25:48.704)
You know, she's totally broken. She just doesn't fit into like how these games are, which is like, you, need to push people off at checkpoints and get like, like just a ton of damage sometimes. And she just doesn't offer you, like, I just don't feel like, I feel like that's what her issue is. She just doesn't do enough damage and like keep moments. She's like too unreliable.

Madlilg (25:52.185)
Yeah, she's just weird. Yeah, she's just weird in the game.

Matthew Mills (25:53.265)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Madlilg (26:01.745)
Mmm. But yeah.

Matthew Mills (26:03.356)
Yeah, and and Mike, I know you've been playing a lot on Gambit and I always say that like, cause I basically only been playing Gambit since the new season. I feel like it's kind of addicting having all these like fucking abilities to use, bro. Like dash up, fucking anti-backline. Like you're, it just feels like super stimulating. Like you're fucking, it just feels really good. and I wish you go over to Ultron. It's like throw a drone, shoot. Like, like, like what the fuck is that? Like, like, yeah.

Mike (26:13.646)
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm saying there

Madlilg (26:26.503)
Yeah, I call him an Autobot like he just autos he just autos the whole fucking time,

Matthew Mills (26:31.784)
Like they didn't even make like the Iron Man team up with Ultron, like the beam, like people said that that should be an ability, like 100%. Yeah, for sure, why not?

Mike (26:36.342)
Yeah

CaptainCoach (26:36.639)
I'm gonna... I'm gonna... Hey, hey, I'm gonna go into the defense of Ultron. I like Ultron. I think he's chill. He's super chill to play. I think some people just wanna play something chill.

Madlilg (26:38.075)
That should just be added to his kit. That should have just been an ad.

Matthew Mills (26:47.642)
I mean, chill like fucking this, yo, like, I'm gonna nap.

Madlilg (26:48.205)
Yeah... Well that's true, that's true. I feel like they do make heroes for like lower elo or people that are a little more chill. That's why we have Wanda, you know? And that's why they won't buff Wanda because then she'd be a fucking prom in low elo. They have to keep Wanda where she is.

Matthew Mills (27:00.372)
Thank you.

CaptainCoach (27:00.737)
bro you know what it is? madliljc sees ultron and like i can't get a- this isn't a clip? there's nothing clip-worthy here he says zzzz

Matthew Mills (27:03.668)
I might be on... You might not agree with me, but I don't think you should be able to falsely play any character. I want every character like more. Like you need to be caffeineed up, fucking locked in. Like... If you could just stand there and like hide in a corner and just fucking only heal.

Mike (27:05.794)
Yeah. I agree. I agree.

Madlilg (27:06.279)
I played lot of Ultron actually, but...

CaptainCoach (27:10.987)
haha

CaptainCoach (27:17.355)
Mmm. Mmm.

Madlilg (27:17.413)
Well Sam, that's why I don't play Iron Fist anymore, because there's not enough buttons to press. Like, Iron Fist gameplay is stimulating, but there's not enough buttons. That's why Daredevil is like, nice. It's like, just like pushes so many buttons.

Madlilg (27:31.399)
Rocket

Matthew Mills (27:31.7)
I'm talking about fucking rocket you need something different like I wish like I know they just gave rocket buffs And I understand why he was good already they gave him both Well, yeah, but if you're gonna buff him Why not give him like a completely different ability something something more engaging cuz like he just has long distance fucking heal and then throw something that reses people nothing interactive about his kit at all

Mike (27:33.418)
Yeah.

Madlilg (27:36.315)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (27:40.415)
Nah, he needed the buffs. He needed them. Buff rocket.

CaptainCoach (27:52.427)
They should give him the teleporter that Star-Lord gets.

Matthew Mills (27:56.916)
I don't know what does that yet. Give him a fucking guided missile that you could like, you know, like move around or some shit. I don't know. Give him something, something cool. Like, I don't know.

Madlilg (27:58.256)
Nah, he's already hard enough to lock up. Fuck that. Hell nah, I'm good.

Mike (27:59.516)
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah,

CaptainCoach (28:01.153)
I like Rocket, he's a...

Madlilg (28:06.746)
Rocky

CaptainCoach (28:07.713)
He's an old- He's an old man character for me, man.

Madlilg (28:11.045)
Rocketed Jeff for a hard to change in buff, dude. I'm not gonna lie, those characters are ridiculous.

CaptainCoach (28:17.323)
Okay, do you need characters like Rocket and Jeff so characters like Gambit can exist?

Matthew Mills (28:17.662)
deal.

Mike (28:22.058)
Yes, rocket and jump need to exist because if you just have like these healers that are easy to dive and kill nobody's gonna want to play healer like not a single person is gonna want to get dope like 100 % without any escape ability so like

Madlilg (28:31.879)
Bro I fucking hate you dude. That guy is so dumb dude.

Matthew Mills (28:32.315)
Yeah. Okay, here's a hot thing I have. think Jeff has a really high skill ceiling. I actually think Jeff has, I'm not talking about his power level, but I think his design is good. I don't know if y'all agree or disagree. He might be too strong.

Mike (28:35.308)
That's what saying, like,

CaptainCoach (28:35.777)
I'm in.

Mike (28:40.708)
Yeah, he does.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. DPS Jeff? my god, dude, that was...

CaptainCoach (28:45.718)
No, I like-

Madlilg (28:45.871)
I think he's a little better now, but before this season, before his changes, I'd say he was like unhealthy for the game, dude. His fucking kit is just so bad. In terms of like what he's supposed to do. Yeah. Hell yeah. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know. just, I, I'm just talking about like, yeah, like the state of the character just makes no fucking sense. Like people can't figure out what to do with him, you know, but now they understand. Now Jeff is like ridiculous.

Matthew Mills (28:52.912)
You think so?

Matthew Mills (28:58.091)
you're talking about DBS Jeff is a different story, but yeah.

Matthew Mills (29:05.052)
You

CaptainCoach (29:06.059)
DPS Jeff might have been the best 1v1 character in the game. Probably was.

Mike (29:08.131)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (29:08.5)
I mean he looks cool. I mean think Diddy right now, Daredevil could probably fuck him up. Like older version probably. yeah. The thing I like about Jeff is Jeff is really good at enabling dive comps. He plays really well with a Daredevil, with a Venom. That's really cool.

Madlilg (29:12.165)
Nah, he was insane. Yeah, I literally have a chat command, bro, that says don't 1v1 the creature because Jeff would always win the ones.

CaptainCoach (29:22.505)
Yeah, probably. Yeah, there's been some serious power creep with the game, 100%.

Madlilg (29:23.738)
Yeah.

Mike (29:32.195)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (29:36.124)
Like all these supports that just play front to back, play main, they're really bad with like dive and mobility. Like we don't really have like a Lucio in this game or like any true dive enablers. The best we got is like Jeff, Rocket, now kind of Gambit, you know? They don't have to play like back of the pack, you know, just standing around.

Madlilg (29:48.453)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mike (29:50.348)
Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Madlilg (29:53.414)
Well, triple sup with Ultron's pretty good at that. Like, I'll have like Flow play with me he'll give me like bot and we'll just go like kill the backline. So some things work, but yeah, I what mean.

Matthew Mills (29:55.988)
That's true, that's Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh.

CaptainCoach (30:03.115)
Triple support, still pretty good now, yeah. Maybe even...

Madlilg (30:06.031)
Yeah, it's pretty annoying. Sick of it.

Matthew Mills (30:06.674)
Might be what is the solved thing, like the solved meta when the game, like then the dust settles. Gambit triple probably broken, most likely. What do think, Mike?

Mike (30:15.632)
I think I think gambit countership support because the anti's are so fat and is all you can you can kill you can kill through any support ult if you're like coordinated enough with the gambit ult So all you do is just pop a gambit ult you maybe like a Punisher ult whatever high damage ult and you anti any healer they just die like it's yeah

Matthew Mills (30:19.582)
That's actually true.

Matthew Mills (30:31.892)
So that's the secret. Because what I was saying is like, how do they add a support with a whole bunch of utility and power without making them busted and triple? You just have to make anti on that support. If you give that support anti, then they can't, then like, if it's unbanned, then it's not gonna be in it because it could counter it. Yeah, yeah.

Mike (30:42.284)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Mike (30:48.622)
Exactly,

CaptainCoach (30:49.087)
Are there any other counters they could do like that that could be added in the future potentially? Like a support out counter and another support out so like never die out aren't just always the best? Like.

Madlilg (30:49.594)
Awesome.

Madlilg (30:55.557)
late to garner by counters to triple sport

Mike (31:03.338)
Maybe like an Ana, like an Ana Nano Boost? I feel like a Nano Boost would be cool. I feel like that would be really cool in the game.

CaptainCoach (31:06.751)
Nanobus.

Matthew Mills (31:07.316)
We were up, yeah, we talked about it before, like.

Madlilg (31:07.333)
Yeah Or like a damage support or like a lari I think it's a lari right? the one that shoots like the sun or some shit iliana iliana iliana iliana

CaptainCoach (31:12.469)
Maybe something, or maybe something that just like cancels, like buffs.

Matthew Mills (31:13.48)
A lorry?

Matthew Mills (31:17.952)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, think it is I think it is a lar, I think you're right, yeah, I didn't know you were talking about over. We did talk about it in a previous podcap, but like, Mordekaiser ult, like, like getting someone in an arena, you know, like force, force 1v1s, that'd be cool. Cause you could like, you could like take their only DPS out of the fight and they don't have any damage, you know, that-

Madlilg (31:32.537)
It'll be tough, it'll be tough, it'll be tough.

Mike (31:32.767)
yeah, that's a good idea.

CaptainCoach (31:35.039)
Yeah, that'd be really good. Yeah, I think they need to try to keep being like more creative with the ults and abilities.

Mike (31:36.78)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (31:40.98)
That's also something that Venom is actually really good against Triple. He's one of the best counters against Triple because most Triple support comps don't have enough damage to kill the Venom. Like, you need hard damage to clear him out. So like, I don't know how to create characters like Venom, but just characters that like, they're punished for not having enough damage to deal with you. I do think actually Groot is pretty good against Triple. Like, Groot being good is, he's definitely one that like, if you can't fucking break the walls, like your tanks are gonna die, doesn't matter how much healing you have, like.

Madlilg (31:43.175)
This was.

Mike (32:02.38)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (32:09.025)
Groot and Amor, Groot Moon Knight. There's definitely counterplay to it, more than I've seen in the past now that more characters are just kinda good. I think the meta is in honestly a decent spot right now. Which I haven't said in a couple seasons. Which is crazy because I think the game's more imbalanced than it's ever been, really.

Mike (32:19.342)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (32:28.363)
yeah.

Madlilg (32:29.039)
Yeah, it feels pretty good this season, honestly.

Matthew Mills (32:32.168)
Yeah, and Rivals got nominated for ongoing Game of the Year award, you said, Captain? Final Fantasy, Fortnite, Helldivers, No Man's Sky, and Rivals? What do y'all think about that? Rivals wins?

CaptainCoach (32:37.29)
Yeah.

Mike (32:41.741)
Rivals winning there's no way Rivals does not win Rivals puts out the most content they have the most creativity

Madlilg (32:41.873)
Damn, hell divers.

Mike (32:47.128)
They have the most everything. like the only, I would say the only thing holding us back is probably a lot of people in the community are like a little bit toxic from my experience at least. think if our, if the Marvel Rivals community tightens up and like, know, pushes a more positive scene, I think that this game will be the best game ever. That's my thoughts. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Literally.

Matthew Mills (33:05.126)
positive scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a ho-

CaptainCoach (33:05.589)
I think it probably deserves.

Madlilg (33:06.833)
That's a hard one to fix though. Cause like they used to be on Overwatch and then they came here. So it's like, that's what happened. I talk to Frankie all the time. He says all the fucking other shitters came over here. Yeah. All the like toxic people came over here. He said it's like Overwatch is like

Matthew Mills (33:15.503)
All the worst to the worst from Overwatch. Like me, like fucking us. Like me and Mad Little G. Nah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I got banned from Overwatch, that's why I'm here. Nah, I'm just kidding.

Mike (33:17.289)
Yeah.

Mike (33:24.098)
Yeah. Yep. That's how it... Yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (33:26.847)
Okay, speaking of Overwatch, so Rivals has been out for a year now, this is another thing I have for you guys. Already has the same number of characters as Overwatch.

Madlilg (33:27.057)
Haha, yeah.

Madlilg (33:36.121)
Yeah, I hated that with Overwatch, dude. The game just felt so boring because of that. Like there was just no one new people to play. And then the characters they would drop weren't even that crazy. You'd be like, damn, it's waited two years for this? Man. You know?

Matthew Mills (33:37.428)
fucking crazy. I like that shit a lot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Mills (33:48.244)
Hey, bro, imagine imagine you wait an entire year and you get fucking like Emma or like Ultron or like some some bullshit like Like I'll wait for a gambit I'll wait for a gambit But if you give me like broken gene for six months after waiting like I'm leaving like I'm not playing that game

Mike (33:53.938)
Yeah

Madlilg (33:54.447)
Yeah, Ultron it's like...

Mike (33:56.974)
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Madlilg (33:59.528)
I

Madlilg (34:05.487)
I think they're on like a, they're following the right script here, you know? They're kind of like doing what League of Legends does and League of Legends is very successful. And I think they should just stay doing that. I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't mind if there's 130 characters on this game. Fuck balancing. It's gonna be fun and it's gonna bring a lot more people in. Well, cause it's Marvel. It's an IP. It's gonna bring a lot of people in. Every time they drop a new hero, boom, everyone's gonna come in. like, shit, dude, fuck yeah. Deadpool. That's my favorite. Let's go. Or whoever else they had, you know?

Matthew Mills (34:18.671)
That's

CaptainCoach (34:20.277)
Bye, toilet crew.

Matthew Mills (34:26.098)
Yeah

It's gonna be wild when you, like every 10 games you see a character you haven't seen in 10 games, you're like, shit, they're playing that character, I haven't seen that guy in

Mike (34:29.211)
I can't wait for Deadpool. Can't wait for that character, Yeah. Yeah.

Madlilg (34:35.813)
I'm not gonna lie, they've already added so many characters, they already need to do TLCs for the old characters. Like Adam Warlock, he needs something, bro. This character is so dumb and boring and just shit. Like, Adam Warlock should be cooler. I think some TLC.

Matthew Mills (34:43.99)
They should do a rework touch. A rework, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (34:44.747)
Yo, I agree, I agree actually. I think now that the game's like paces, yeah for sure. What do you think about now, bans? Do we have enough bans?

Mike (34:51.182)
Yeah, I agree. agree. I agree.

Madlilg (34:54.533)
Nah, definitely need to start moving to the three bands now. Like the tournament shit, I don't care about the protecting, but bring in like the three bands.

Matthew Mills (34:58.132)
Maybe just no double bands. What about that? No doubles?

Madlilg (35:03.577)
Or yeah, like let each team band first. One team bands and then, I don't know, that's hard to, well.

Matthew Mills (35:06.577)
Or like if the second most, like if your team bans like three people ban one, two people ban the other, if that one is gonna get banned?

Madlilg (35:12.421)
Well, how does Overwatch do it? Don't they like all show it on screen? They don't show banners or anything, right?

Mike (35:12.834)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (35:16.048)
You also like the, yeah, you select it pre. Like everyone selects it before and it just does the math.

Madlilg (35:19.975)
I think they should do that too, bro. They should start hiding the banners and shit, because in top five, people start knowing what you play and then they start banning your shit. You gotta like swap your banners out actively and stuff. And that could be annoying. Especially as one trick, so like coach probably gets all the times fucking random banning a hole and he's like, you know, that's probably hell in-

Mike (35:25.274)
yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (35:25.744)
Yeah, that is kinda fucking annoying,

Matthew Mills (35:33.862)
Yeah, yo

CaptainCoach (35:34.795)
Nobody banned Sulk. Nobody banned Sulk.

Madlilg (35:37.849)
So if they do, you know why.

Matthew Mills (35:38.536)
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was just going to say what you put on here about a strange portal. I think this is a conversation that's coming up a lot is should strange portal be on a cool down when you swap to the character or should you just be able to port? Cause that's what some people say. Like it discourages people from playing strange cause you can't portal back. It creates like these super stall situations where like everyone gets a refight no matter what.

CaptainCoach (35:39.521)
Yep. Oh yeah, what were you gonna say?

CaptainCoach (35:48.726)
Yeah.

Mike (35:53.388)
Yes.

Madlilg (35:59.464)
It is kind of nice.

Matthew Mills (36:03.7)
I'm on the fence, because I think it's cool to be able to win a fight no matter what. No matter how down you are, you could pull it back. But it also is fucking annoying that you just... I mean, they could just die, then they play to die, and then they have Cloak and Dagger coming out of the portal, and you're just like, this is bullshit.

Mike (36:03.886)
I'm sorry.

Madlilg (36:13.541)
It is super crutchy.

Madlilg (36:22.319)
Yeah, it's annoying. Well, it's hard when you're like almost winning a battle in overtime and then you're like about to get it and then here comes the portal and it's just like you got to fight for another two cycles. I feel like yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I think that I think that would be a good change. Like if you want portal, you have to have a strange stay on strange, you know, that's that might be a good ad because that shit is crutch.

Mike (36:32.185)
I think that's good. I think it's good in the game

CaptainCoach (36:32.385)
Bye.

CaptainCoach (36:40.299)
They should do that, and then as a, counteract the nerf, they should make it so anytime you get a kill or a teammate gets a kill who has just used your portal, the cooldown on it gets lowered.

Matthew Mills (36:53.172)
Oh, okay. Okay, so you can't be abused by other people, but you get it.

CaptainCoach (36:56.961)
It would encourage Doctor Stranges to use it aggressively and to make plays and

Madlilg (36:59.985)
to yeah, to like use it more instead of just for last fight.

Mike (37:02.139)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're that that's actually right. That's actually right

Matthew Mills (37:03.476)
You also get rewarded for just like playing strange too.

CaptainCoach (37:06.389)
Because if you use it to stall, like the 15 seconds, you're never gonna be able to do it. So it's gonna be used proactively.

Madlilg (37:07.185)
That's true.

That's true. Well, because like, yeah, because like back in season zero, you had them using portals to do like crazy old school shit. It's like how strange was meant to be played and no one does that anymore because they only save it for last fight. So I know what you mean.

Mike (37:14.414)
I agree, that's actually great.

CaptainCoach (37:22.955)
Yeah, just if we weren't clear. So that comboed with the, when you swap to strange, there's a 15 second cool down on portal. So you can't use it to stall. That's what I just, just to be clear. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (37:30.674)
Yeah, Yeah,

Mike (37:33.356)
Yeah, I like that No, I love that shit. I love that I love that

CaptainCoach (37:42.346)
I mean you gotta be good.

Madlilg (37:42.408)
Then he's taking away his blowy-uppy ability. Fucking hate that shit. Nah, dude, the blow everything up in an area? Fuck that. Hell nah, just give him another ability. I hate it. I hate it. Yeah, dude, on my way out and then he just... And then it's like, bro, what the fuck?

Matthew Mills (37:46.0)
Hey, you know like is E is E available? Wait, that's the whole reason to play the character. I know for as a diver as as a diver you definitely hate that because I love it. I love it against divers because Yeah

CaptainCoach (37:47.841)
It would Okay, I don't-

Mike (37:53.087)
Hahaha

CaptainCoach (37:59.232)
I mean, Code Mills, that's already a buff to Strange just because now it's, don't have to have, right, because it's always a risk when you have a Strange on your team that you might not get a portal for that stall, right? So effectively you don't want a teammate to be on Dr. Strange because of that. But if both teams can't do it, right, then it would be a buff to him technically.

Mike (38:12.526)
Yeah. you

Matthew Mills (38:16.562)
Right. But if they are... If Portal is only available to someone that's been on Strange, right? Then I just probably would just play Strange every game. And I would just make sure I die first on a teamfight.

Mike (38:30.062)
I like that. yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (38:30.827)
See, I don't think it would make Strange Hard Meta if you did that. No, mean, thoughts? I I know you guys don't really play Strange. I don't think that would make them Hard Meta.

Matthew Mills (38:33.855)
you don't think so? Okay. That's interesting.

Matthew Mills (38:41.096)
Well, just the idea of having a second fight for free is really appealing. I think it's like hard.

Madlilg (38:41.287)
I don't know, I mean...

Madlilg (38:45.211)
All I know is strange and like season zero was a monster and let's never do that again. Never do that again. He was a straight up DPS bro. DPS with a fucking shield.

Matthew Mills (38:49.108)
I also, I don't mind if Strange is hard meta by the way, think Strange is actually healthier.

CaptainCoach (38:49.929)
I know.

CaptainCoach (38:55.905)
Is that? I'd say, I'm just bringing it up, because he's probably, I'd say he's probably one of the weaker tanks right now. I still think he's good, but he's definitely, yeah.

Matthew Mills (39:02.12)
He's good, but yeah. Yeah, he definitely is weaker. I think it's good when he's meta too, because he has a little bit more counterplay than someone like Magneto, think, like overall on Emma. Because you could break his shield. And if he ever got too strong, you could just nerf his shield health slightly, give people reason to poke him out, you know, and it's fine. It's no big deal. Magneto? yeah. Bro. That's fucking wild that they did that, by the way. And he has a strong ass Gambit team up too. It's just like nuts.

Mike (39:03.7)
Yeah Yeah yeah He has two bubbles now too which is crazy he has two bubbles he has two bubbles I Don't know

Madlilg (39:04.272)
Yeah

Madlilg (39:21.115)
Yeah, they need to quit buffing Mag, bro. They need to quit buffing Mag.

That was so dumb.

Mike (39:27.265)
I know why they did that.

Madlilg (39:30.319)
Yeah, nah, it was dumb.

Matthew Mills (39:31.316)
Like, I... But like, here's the thing about characters like Mag, I kinda made this point before, is like, no one ever feels like they lose to a Mag. Like, Mag is... Like, if a Daredevil runs it down and goes like 45 and 2, they're like, we fucking lost to that Daredevil. No one ever feels that way about Mag. They're never like, this Mag single-handedly carried the game. Cause he's not a character that is gonna take over. It's kinda similar to Luna, where it's a Norni. I mean, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Mike (39:33.238)
It's, yeah.

Mike (39:47.901)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madlilg (39:51.368)
That's true. I don't know. In tournaments, I'd say it's different. In tournaments, feel like Mags definitely carry. Cause like when we were in MRC, bro, having a good Magneto changes the game, like destroys supports.

Matthew Mills (40:00.884)
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, agree.

CaptainCoach (40:02.237)
It pretty much enables your whole team. I mean, you offer just consistent chip damage to backline, which at any point you can just like blow up somebody.

Mike (40:04.202)
you you

Madlilg (40:06.181)
Yeah. Yeah. Magneto is almost like a strategist for real. He's like, you rely on his ult to do what he needs to do when it's time to do it. He's not the type to walk your team down, but like he's the type to make the play making, you know, like the game change the fight. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (40:09.076)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Matthew Mills (40:17.81)
Right, agreed, agreed, agreed. But I think that they're okay with those characters being meta, because they don't get people pissed off. Like if Black Panther's meta, people are fucking pissed. Cause that character feels like he won the game by himself. Unlike other characters, you know.

Mike (40:26.035)
yeah. Yeah. And then you gotta fully rely, yeah.

Madlilg (40:26.983)
Yeah.

Madlilg (40:31.269)
I definitely feel like there should be more like ults in the game that could deal with like supports, you know? I feel like there's a lot of ults in this game where if you just ult and support ults you're just like, well guess I'll fucking stand around for the next 12 seconds. I hate it bro. I hate it. Like Daredevil, Iron Fist, it don't matter who I ult with bro, you just ult and you're just like, ugh. Well, I guess I baited some shit. Whatever I guess.

Matthew Mills (40:40.082)
Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Mills (40:48.252)
Yeah, we had, we had Samido on a while back and what he wanted is less ult charge, so just less ultimates overall, like global ult nerf and then a global duration nerf. like, you know, even Psylocke, Luna, like every time based ult is just gonna be down. So it's like, you're not sitting in ultimates slop for like the whole game, basically.

Madlilg (41:10.755)
Yeah, I think that's good. It's kind of like Punisher, dude. Like his ultimate is ridiculous. Every time you think it's over, it's not. Yeah, like you hear him shoot and he's shooting, you're like, all right, can I go around the corner now? And then he's still shooting. You're like, dude. And now he's insane with Gambit now because he gets all that full movement from Gambit and can still shoot for his solid 12 seconds or whatever it is. No, it's insane with him.

Matthew Mills (41:15.412)
It's just odd for fucking ever again.

Matthew Mills (41:20.436)
Hey

CaptainCoach (41:21.633)
You

Matthew Mills (41:28.054)
yeah, yeah, the gambit combo is sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was surprised that Gambit could target like a whole bunch of people. I thought it was only one person and himself, but no, it's like everybody. Everyone you could see. Seems so nuts.

Mike (41:31.203)
What?

Yeah I I like I like all the old because I think from a viewer perspective if there was less holes in the game I feel like it'd be it'd be worse to watch because like there is just like a neutral game at that point and I Exactly exactly. So I think

Madlilg (41:39.003)
Yeah, I don't know why they think all the ults in this game need to be so long. That's true. A lot of ults that are really long.

Matthew Mills (41:54.527)
you think it'd just be too pokey? Just like you, sit around. I could see that happen too.

CaptainCoach (41:55.233)
Mmm.

Mike (41:59.264)
Olts needs to be in the game because if Olts in the game if if like someone is watching MRI and it's just a poke battle just a 50-50 poke battle like 90 % of the game that's just gonna be boring to watch and nobody's gonna like to watch that you need Olts in the game

CaptainCoach (41:59.714)
interesting.

Madlilg (42:07.889)
Well true. I think like, they need to turn down the ult durations. Like the amount of times we get ult is cool, but like some ults last way too fucking long. Like 12 seconds you can't peek a fucking Punisher is insane bro. It's like, are you serious? Dude. You know.

Mike (42:12.556)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (42:19.868)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (42:22.069)
Well, it puts dive in particular on a timer, unless your goal is to go and enforce and all, but then you have to wait.

Madlilg (42:28.295)
Yeah, at least for me like when I was on Iron Fist or Daredevil, know, like I bait out a supple I gotta wait go back in get the other one got away there's a third sup. They're doing theirs now. Fuck dude. I can't play some more, know, and it's like characters like Iron Fist I can't charge my ult unless I'm doing damage and if they're all fucking popping that shit then I'm just like Well, get something to hang around, you know

CaptainCoach (42:38.951)
I got it.

Matthew Mills (42:46.991)
Yeah

CaptainCoach (42:47.957)
Yeah, how much do you think like you diving, like your target, I guess, is based off of, cause I feel like it's pretty much the whole game revolves around basically tracking support out. So like how much of diving is just like only that versus, okay, let's try to make a play here with like my tank on their tank. know, like I feel like most divers only ever dive back line. And I feel like that's maybe like not always the way you want to play.

Madlilg (43:10.551)
I mean that's why I like with iron fist now like when I use ult I used to just like run supports down But it's like not even worth the time you like it's almost better just to like group up with your team and just like burst down a tank With like iron fist ult because like dude I could chase a rocket my whole 12 seconds is iron fist and not kill him You know what mean? I fucking I hate rocket but it's all over the place

Mike (43:26.728)
Yeah

CaptainCoach (43:29.377)
Do you, if they're not gonna lower support, all cool down to, know, cause that's like one of the, like they get out of jail free card. Do you think they need to make them harder to dive right now? And if so, do you think that's like healing or versus like, versus like their actual kids?

Madlilg (43:41.039)
I think supports already broken. They already they just increased the health on cloak and everything and cloak was already ridiculous She throws her bubble down and no one could kill anything in cloak bubble that fucking thing is broken and you take that shit out of the game Yeah, yeah, they didn't take it out of the game But dude after her full cycle like she'll be in there healing and everything and then she'll just like going to fade away come down fight Blind your ass and then by the time you get back on her again. She's got it again. You know what I mean? Like she's got the whole loop

Mike (43:48.09)
Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah

CaptainCoach (43:50.901)
Yeah, when Clark does bubble down, I just go do something else. I'm like, I got the cool down. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (43:53.012)
Well, didn't make a character.

Matthew Mills (44:05.076)
Bro, they need to make a character that has an ability that can swipe away other abilities. Like, what if you could bait out bubble and like, you could swipe that shit away? Like, Invis uses her shield, you could swipe that shit away? Like, it's a skillshot or something, but... Yeah. Well, yeah. You could probably find a way to balance it, but it would be sick. It'd be sick to like, counterplay. Yeah.

Mike (44:05.248)
Yeah. wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

CaptainCoach (44:14.666)
I like that.

Madlilg (44:17.977)
Yeah. And then doing that shit with Invis was kind of dumb.

CaptainCoach (44:18.315)
that immediately make it the best character in the game though. I mean, it would, that would...

Mike (44:21.102)
Yeah. Invis is fucking stupid. She is stupid.

Madlilg (44:25.607)
was dumb. I was dumb. Well, I just feel like I feel like every support like they have a way of like going against the dive. They have the mobility or they have a way to like super self-heal you right? Like Envyz has the shield in front of her now. Loki lamps, cloak, bubble, fade away. Shark, you can't kill the fucking thing when he's on the ground. He just dips. He just does whatever they need. They need to nerf his how long he can be under the ground again because bro. Oh yeah.

CaptainCoach (44:28.203)
They should, they should add a character like that.

Matthew Mills (44:46.728)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Mike (44:49.791)
I'm I'm glad I'm glad that like these supports are like alive for that long if Realistically you could like kill them very fast Nobody's gonna play it like the game just becomes horrible because nobody's gonna want to play fucking support and Your own supports aren't gonna play support either Yeah

Matthew Mills (44:52.926)
Think so?

I mean, yeah.

Madlilg (45:04.837)
No true, but it adds pressure, but there's almost like no pressure now. That's why I like Daredevil, because before, like Iron Fist, that's why Iron Fist, can't even dive backline now. He's like not enough of a threat. Supports could heal their tanks and then occasionally heal themselves through Iron Fist and survive. Daredevil, he adds that pressure now that we didn't have before, because it's like, fuck, we better start healing each other. That's why think Daredevil was a good ad.

Mike (45:19.885)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (45:26.216)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (45:26.625)
Mike is the first, I think, DPS player we've had come on. I think we've had about five or six now that has basically said that supports being OP is kind of okay. I'm curious to hear why do you think that's your viewpoint overall? I know you kind of gave your basic reasoning, but you're one of the highest ranked DPS players in the world, right? So it's just like, why do you think support being like that? Is it good for the health of the game? Is that more your view?

Mike (45:42.03)
Yeah, it's good for the healthy game because like let's say both teams are running a BP and BP just like this is hypothetically both teams are running a really good BP and your healers are getting shit on they're not having fun, but you're sitting on their healers not having fun like

Matthew Mills (45:46.138)
Yeah.

Madlilg (45:47.217)
Ha

Mike (46:07.95)
Your healers are just gonna swap off you like nobody wants to play inside is gonna be born for your healers So you need healers to have some way to like kind of gig a heal themselves if you want a healer on your team Like that's the only reason why I like it

Madlilg (46:17.669)
I don't think that's the sub's fault though, I think that's BP's fault, like the character, the way they built the other heroes, you know what mean? I know what you're saying, like, obviously. But I think... No, I think the reason... I think the reason, I think the reason people... Supports get shit on in no matter what game, but I think the thing that would make supports more fun is if they made the supports more fun. I think people don't play supports that's not fun, not because they die. Not because they die to shit, it's because they heal bot and then die. You know what I mean?

CaptainCoach (46:18.347)
Wait.

Mike (46:22.21)
I'm saying hypothetically, hypothetically.

CaptainCoach (46:25.765)
Mike's like, all these players come from my job, man. He's like, you play healer, make the roll, ping, I'll find a way to kill him anyway.

Mike (46:29.41)
Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like I need a healer. Like I need a healer. That's all I want. I just want a healer.

Matthew Mills (46:30.786)
Yeah

Yeah, yeah!

Mike (46:41.506)
Yes.

CaptainCoach (46:45.963)
Let him fight back.

Matthew Mills (46:46.676)
Right, yeah. But, yeah. To your point earlier about Overwatch, I felt back in Overwatch, had, like I always loved it when Divers came after me. Cause like, I might get fucked, but like I felt like I had a chance to win that shit, you know? right. You're very right.

Madlilg (46:46.929)
They're not making plays, know? It's like really hard to make plays with the subs on Rivals.

Mike (46:47.352)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (46:50.315)
Gambit has some insane clips.

Mike (46:51.404)
That's why I love Gambit, exactly.

Madlilg (47:01.127)
Yeah, but you were like I could 1v1 this, you know what mean? Like Ana you hit asleep and you could like, eh, you wanna dive and shit? You know, like I know what you mean, like it was fun. But it's like if Luna freezes me and I'm on Daredevil and Iron Fist, the moment they hit me I just block and run away. You know what I mean? Like there's just, supports aren't killing nothing.

Mike (47:02.168)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (47:07.184)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Mike (47:07.714)
Yeah.

Mike (47:13.482)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (47:13.492)
Right, right. But that's like a fold of their design. Like they could definitely tweak some things. Take some power away from the healing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (47:13.929)
I I

Madlilg (47:18.981)
That's what I'm saying, that's why I said they need to make the supports a little more fun. Yeah, well I just don't think they should heal as much, you know what mean? Like, make it so people do less damage so the supports don't have to healbot the whole game. And the supports could actually play the game. When I played Overwatch, I felt like I could do damage, you know? Like, more or less I throw a healing ball at my team and then go do damage, you know what I mean? Like, it was fun, you could do shit. On this game, I feel like I reload and my tank dies, you know what I mean? It's like, bro, what the fuck? Like, it really, there's a lot of damage on this game and I think that's the problem, is there's too much damage.

CaptainCoach (47:23.028)
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Matthew Mills (47:34.93)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matthew Mills (47:40.484)
Yeah, that is true. I agree.

Mike (47:42.218)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

CaptainCoach (47:44.598)
I pride myself, I pride myself on like never dying to dive on Rocket, but the only thing that could ever kill me was Spider-Man. And I finally figured out a strategy for him. You just go inside. That's all you do. And then you're just good. You just hide indoors and he can't like swing in. You just shoot him when he walks in and you're good.

Mike (47:55.273)
Yeah. It's got to be appealing. It's got to appeal.

Matthew Mills (47:55.892)
The- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the- the-

Madlilg (48:02.673)
and i'm around there's a lot of supports that want to just heal bot that's why they have rocket you that's why coach likes it he's like fuck it take a break this game but i just think they should have like more fun subs like that's why gambit's cool because it's like nice i could play the game yeah same

Matthew Mills (48:07.014)
Yeah, yeah, just- Where are they gonna-

CaptainCoach (48:07.573)
No. Yeah, rock it. If I have to heal, I'm not turning my brain off. I'm just like, OK, here we go. I'm not putting effort into that, man.

Matthew Mills (48:17.94)
Yeah, cool. I hope they double down on that shit too. Yeah, yeah. Because it's kind of funny because back in Overwatch, everyone gave shit to Mercy. Like everyone gave shit to Mercy as like a no aim support. But like they basically like took parts of Mercy and like put her throughout the support class, like a lot of supports. Just like free value that doesn't need to be earned or aimed for. And like it's funny because it's like even like they could have just.

Mike (48:20.716)
Yeah.

I agree.

Madlilg (48:29.415)
Yeah, because it's only like brainless heal, right?

Matthew Mills (48:46.184)
gave us like a Mercy type character, like a rocket or whatever, and then made all these other supports like more skill intensive, like more abilities to outplay. And like Gambit, I think Gambit's a great direction. I hope they double down on that.

Mike (48:56.199)
Yeah I think I think man says I think messages four-star I think message for something that's it

CaptainCoach (48:56.959)
Enc- Encouraging?

Madlilg (48:57.479)
Well, because all the subs were only three star, right? Until Gambit? I believe so. There was nothing over three.

Matthew Mills (49:00.484)
Yyyyy

CaptainCoach (49:00.863)
Is that true?

Yeah.

Matthew Mills (49:05.076)
Yeah, I was.

Madlilg (49:05.906)
but she does the same thing Luna does.

Mike (49:07.24)
She's not even like fucking hard, like she's...

Matthew Mills (49:07.878)
Yeah, it just looks like that's the thing is like just aiming alone is not enough skill expression or like interactivity like like Ultron's pure aim. It's not that interesting to just shoot like

CaptainCoach (49:08.99)
haha

Mike (49:12.288)
Maybe.

Madlilg (49:13.497)
Yeah, exactly.

CaptainCoach (49:18.749)
Encouraging your good players to play the most important role is always going to be good for your game, in my opinion. I think it's always going be good for your game. Because if it's like the most inf- You never want to the most impactful role, which I think support is, be curious to hear your guys' thoughts, being played by someone who like isn't the best player or like, you know, like isn't- You have to be- You should have to be the best player to like win games, I guess is what I'm saying.

Mike (49:18.818)
Yeah.

Mike (49:25.811)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madlilg (49:28.613)
Yeah, that's why a nice balance. Go ahead.

Matthew Mills (49:43.828)
That's why I like a Loki meta. I wish we went back to more Loki. I think Loki required a lot of skill and great players were Loki players. No, he definitely was. He definitely was.

CaptainCoach (49:51.221)
I agree.

Madlilg (49:51.826)
True. Loki was annoying though, I can't lie. That shit was annoying. The double- it was the double Luna ult for me. Loki wasn't annoying, it was the double Luna ult. It was like, my god, bro. 12 more seconds of this shit. Nah, dude. Nah, that was like the worst season, bro.

Mike (49:53.96)
But yeah, but she's fucking yeah, he's good. He's good. Yeah

CaptainCoach (49:56.469)
Look, he was definitely OP.

Mike (50:00.007)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (50:00.276)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 12 seconds, 24 seconds of bullshit and then... And then you had to bait out the totem, so it's just so much, it's just too much. It's just like way too much.

CaptainCoach (50:01.407)
Yeah.

Mike (50:05.484)
Hahaha

CaptainCoach (50:06.121)
Well, I have s-

Mike (50:11.565)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (50:12.213)
I have started to see Loki again though. Have you guys seen any, like what do think the best comps you've seen are so far? Like in season five? Yeah.

Madlilg (50:12.475)
way too much sustain.

Mike (50:14.902)
No. I got one. I got one. It's it's triple support. You run Gambit, Mantis and probably like a Rocket. And then you run Solo. You could run 2DPS. You could run Storm and either Punisher or like any sort of Pogue like a Bucky. And you just run Solo Mag. Like there's nothing you can do because the Storm the Storm is fucking she's giga broken this season. If you can damage boost a Gambit and Mantis damage boost to a Punisher.

Matthew Mills (50:18.94)
Mike (50:44.012)
Like there's not, yeah, you just, yeah. That's like what I, that's what I've been playing in like comp, yeah.

Matthew Mills (50:44.276)
That's just fucking so much damage, raw damage, that makes sense, yeah.

CaptainCoach (50:48.545)
That seems miserable.

Matthew Mills (50:49.8)
You need like Diddy Dive to counter that shit or something like Cap Diddy. That's the only way to do something about that stuff.

Mike (50:54.252)
Then, yeah. Yeah, but then you also got like rocket and gambit heels in the back and it's just fucking insane. It's just... Yeah.

Matthew Mills (50:59.412)
That's true. That is true. No, that's sick. That sounds sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds sick.

Madlilg (51:04.251)
Definitely a lot more like, metas this season I feel like, you know? It's not like... Like I feel like dive is super viable, flyers could be good this season, triple sup, double sup, like there's actually a lot that's good this season. I still think they needed to take Hela out of the game, but, nah. And I don't know why they gave Psylocke a better ult, that was stupid. That was dumb. They need to revert that, they need to revert that change. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (51:07.176)
Yeah, it's... All this talk, yeah.

Mike (51:07.21)
Yeah.

Mike (51:15.545)
Yeah, I like it a lot Yeah I like that I like that

CaptainCoach (51:16.353)
I still haven't seen a...

Yeah, that was pretty OP.

Matthew Mills (51:23.924)
Yeah, so I don't know they they they don't understand what they're doing with silo. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna nerf anything ever again, bro They're just gonna buff shit from now on. It's oh

CaptainCoach (51:31.969)
It does seem that way.

Madlilg (51:32.057)
I think they need a buff once a week for sure, but like the sly log hole is ridiculous. The sly log hole is too much.

CaptainCoach (51:37.257)
Have you seen any Captain America, like triple tank, triple healer, stall comp or anything like that yet?

Madlilg (51:42.616)
Yeah, yeah, that's what happened to us the other day, bro. We were about to win this game and they hit us with that spawn hole triple sup, three tank bullshit with cap and it's just like.

Mike (51:42.901)
CaptainCoach (51:45.589)
Really?

Madlilg (51:51.848)
The only way you can honestly beat that is if you have good dive. You have to dive that backline. If you're not killing the backline, nothing's gonna die ever. You're not killing the three tanks. Everyone thinks that you have to shoot the tanks like, play Punisher, Wolverine, we kill the tanks. You're not killing no tank with three heals. It's just not gonna happen. So you have to do dive. You have to kill the subs. It's the only way. We learned that in MRC. Well, Mike, we literally do that you only have to run a fucking dive into the spawn hold shit.

Mike (52:10.011)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that you run a dive or you just run a like a punisher and you just got a full.

Build that wall and just win the fight. Those are the two only options you have. Yeah. Yeah, like...

Madlilg (52:22.919)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (52:24.212)
I watched y'all play y'all played or C together, right? I watched I think I watched a lot of it now My boy Mike won't be on the rocket bro. He'll be on the fucking game. Let's go, baby

Madlilg (52:27.547)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (52:32.705)
You

Mike (52:34.422)
I can't wait for I can't wait for like, I feel like in tournament, I Gambit is going to be one of the, I think it's the best edition ever because I think everybody's going be wanting to watch a Gambit.

Matthew Mills (52:40.82)
He's gonna be perma banded tournament, bro. That's no way he makes it past the band phase. I mean, maybe we'll see but he's It just seems really strong I mean if a team thinks that they could diff your Gambit like all teams are gonna be like we have the best Gambit players So they like they'll just let it run through But well, so hey, what do y'all think about all of the extra features and modes that they were adding to the game? Like they did the zombies mode. They just added the world like the Times Square people can just hang out

Madlilg (52:48.167)
It depends on how good people get with him and shit, but the anti-heal is insane, dude. There's like no reason for like blade anymore. It's just like...

Mike (52:50.531)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (53:00.033)
Hmm.

Matthew Mills (53:10.164)
They're just like adding a lot of these random features. What do you think about all that stuff? That's fair

Mike (53:10.414)
Yeah. I it's... Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's I was gonna say too, bro.

Madlilg (53:13.479)
I really don't give a fuck about it, but I think it's good for the community. I like Try'm Out. like, yeah, this is cool, but I'd rather play Vampire Survivors if I'm playing PvE. Play something a little better. But a lot of people like that shit. They like getting the name tag, the Queen Slayer. It's bringing a lot of people back. And guess the Times Square thing has been popping off. I think that's fun. I think it's good ads.

Matthew Mills (53:22.004)
Right

Matthew Mills (53:34.322)
I'm telling you, if they make a real story mode though, that shit would be crazy. It would go pretty hard.

Madlilg (53:37.039)
Yeah, well, I mean, they're kind of they're kind of taking the Fortnite effect, bro, and it works. They're just making all these different universes for people to hang out in. And it's Marvel IP. So I think it'll keep a lot of people in if they keep doing it.

Mike (53:38.064)
yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (53:46.315)
Man, I'm saying they should have made Times Square one of the maps, man. That's a...

Mike (53:50.373)
Agree, I thought it was gonna be mad. I was so hype and then I saw it was like a that random shit. was like, I don't know

Madlilg (53:51.268)
Yeah, I think they're catering a lot more to casuals and just hanging out over the fucking competitive, bro. We need some new maps or bring back the old maps.

Matthew Mills (53:57.606)
Yeah, I'm gonna keep bitching about this every every every part I'm gonna bitch about this But why do we still have map pools man? Just let me play shin shibuya already like that map has been fucking in in gulag for How many seasons like two three seasons? Yeah Right right right or just like don't

Mike (54:07.66)
Yeah. Yeah. That map is fun too. That map is really fun too.

Madlilg (54:12.263)
I don't know why they don't have them in there or like they cycle them out every season. I really don't understand that. And I feel like a lot of these maps are kind of designed bad. Like there's a lot of narrow alleys in this game. Like in the Spider-Verse bro, I hate that map. know like the spider map with all the fucking buildings where you can't like climb straight up it. It's just like you fall right off. Like what the fuck? Like how have they not fixed that yet for the climbing characters? I don't know. There's a lot of like weird map flaw designs and then...

Matthew Mills (54:22.356)
Yeah, yeah, they really are. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (54:30.601)
Yeah, I

Matthew Mills (54:33.991)
They, yeah.

CaptainCoach (54:34.049)
I think.

Matthew Mills (54:36.958)
They could fix it too and it would feel fresh, if they just reworked some maps every once in a while, you know?

CaptainCoach (54:42.901)
I think they're reworking Shin Shibuya, is why they're probably... Because the first checkpoint on that map was incredibly hard to cap, but then the last one was also really hard, because of how long and how far away your spawn was. So I'm thinking that's why.

Mike (54:43.694)
Yeah. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (54:54.782)
Yeah, I do think that people just didn't understand how to play that, like play the game. Like back then, like there was a lot of dumb shit that people did back then, in my opinion. Maybe it's just a hard like annoying choke, but I don't think that that joke is like more annoying than like the Dracula Castle choke point. Like that's definitely like just like worse. Like there's no, at least that one was wide. You could break the side building and like.

Mike (55:02.83)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, bro, I'm glad.

CaptainCoach (55:13.462)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (55:20.213)
That map is so stressful, bro. I hate that map.

Matthew Mills (55:22.504)
You hate the Dracula one or... or Sinsabuja? I...

Madlilg (55:24.176)
I feel like...

CaptainCoach (55:25.269)
I hate, I know the Dracula's castle. I used to love that map. I do. They can come from behind with like the flyers. It's like, got to, I mean, I guess on Hulk, it's kind of nice. Like I usually do pretty good on the second, but I hate that ledge where you can get pulled off. Just I basically, I don't even play them cause I'm so, so easy to get like hooked or Angela or something. I just.

Mike (55:40.696)
Yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Madlilg (55:43.336)
Do you guys ever feel like the maps are too small? some of the spots, kind of like the Dracula map, like you were talking about, like that whole first point, dude, there's so much fucking small side rooms and the point is small, more like small. Yeah, I guess you're right, because I hate the, what's the Wakanda map, bro, with the payload where you have to take the first point. For diving on that map is like the worst. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? That map sucks for dive, bro. I hate playing Iron Fist there.

Matthew Mills (55:47.604)
They do feel a little claustrophobic, yeah.

CaptainCoach (55:52.871)
Mm. That kind of lets melee characters play the game a lot of the time. I kind of like it.

CaptainCoach (56:02.497)
Jesus. Hall of the Jollia.

Matthew Mills (56:07.005)
It is really annoying when you get first point health. Yeah. Yeah.

CaptainCoach (56:09.333)
Yeah, all right. Yeah, no, it does.

Madlilg (56:11.843)
It's like so hard to get in there. I guess you're right. I didn't think about it for like melee characters but a lot of the times it feels so like like just clumped on a lot of these maps

CaptainCoach (56:15.871)
Well, yeah, yeah, I'll just swap the thing.

Matthew Mills (56:19.686)
It really sucks to get first point held there though, you feel like you didn't even play the map like at all, but yeah, on the Dracula's Castle one. But, I do like, they're probably fucking with ranges, like on the first point, like maybe Widow sucks, second point Widow's better, like, like, or range is better, yeah, as a hypothetical, but.

Mike (56:19.716)
Yeah.

Madlilg (56:34.085)
Yeah, I feel like there's not a lot of good like ranged maps. There's like, Klintar. That's like... I mean, me neither.

Mike (56:38.75)
I'm glad I'm glad bro. I don't want to play a poke meta. I'm glad like range Exactly, that's what I'm I Feel like a black widow mantis on a full poke map. I would just not want to play the fucking game at all

Matthew Mills (56:38.868)
when

Matthew Mills (56:42.502)
Yeah, poke's good enough even without good like range. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Madlilg (56:51.875)
Yeah, but they increase fucking Phoenix's fall off damage and then someone else's fall off damage. So it's like whatever or decreased it like they do more damage from further now. Dumb.

Mike (56:58.221)
Yeah.

Yeah. Wait, uh, do you guys know if the resource rumble is ever going to be added in comp? I don't know anything about that. Do you guys know? Same. Yeah. I think if they add it, I think the game might die, bro. The game might die if they add that.

Matthew Mills (57:01.512)
But,

CaptainCoach (57:06.305)
I hope not.

Madlilg (57:07.189)
was that that weird map they did?

Matthew Mills (57:09.508)
I don't even know if they're gonna add that shit or not at all.

Madlilg (57:11.751)
I don't know if enough people liked it. I thought it was cool at first, but I couldn't imagine playing a fucking 40 minute game. Oh, it sucks so bad. Cause that game could literally go forever.

Matthew Mills (57:15.13)
yeah. yeah. Do y'all have any? Yeah, yeah, it looks like it needs a lot of polish if they were going to bring it to comp.

CaptainCoach (57:16.094)
Yeah.

Mike (57:23.778)
Yeah. Yeah, wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me a take! Take!

CaptainCoach (57:27.039)
The map, too, was not good for that game mode. It was not good.

Matthew Mills (57:30.228)
Do y'all have any speculations about Rogue? Y'all any theories? I think she's gonna be a tank bro. She's gonna be a tank bro. She's definitely a tank.

Madlilg (57:30.362)
Yeah.

Madlilg (57:33.895)
I hope shh no, I hope she's a support. No, I hope she's a sub dude I hope she's a sub otherwise it's gonna be the same shit with like Emma Frost, bro They need to make her a sub. I think they need to give the love to the subs Just give them two subs call it a day and then they could go back to adding cool, you know, Yeah, she probably will be but like Emma Frost bro, like Emma Frost shouldn't even be a tank Emma Frost shouldn't be a tank She's tiny like compared to these other tanks

Matthew Mills (57:42.236)
No, it yeah Bro, it is cheese bro. You seen her thought bro. Her thighs are this fucking big bro. She's not a tough that not I said I'm just saying

CaptainCoach (57:50.187)
Dude... Did you-

Did nobody see? Did no one see the promotional art where Gambit's like full body hugging her and she's just standing there just like, yeah, like, it's a tank, dude. It's a tank.

Mike (58:01.964)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, she'd be like Zarya, bro.

Matthew Mills (58:02.036)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's, no. Nah, she definitely is. And she's gonna fly too. She's gonna fly.

Madlilg (58:06.967)
I don't know dude, I just feel like there's so much better tanks they could add to the game over just trying to make characters not tanky tanky. You know what mean?

Matthew Mills (58:12.308)
Well, here's the argument. Here's the argument. Because when you try to get people from certain roles to play other roles, it's not just about making them fun or whatever for a certain role. It's also about getting people that were fans of that character. So I think there's a lot of girls or just people in general that think Rogue is super sick and they expected that character to be a support. And that character being Tank kind of encourages them to try a new role that they wouldn't normally try. In the same way that Mike's...

Mike (58:36.777)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madlilg (58:39.399)
That's interesting.

Matthew Mills (58:39.964)
Or like, like, Mike's is gonna be playing a lot of Gambit because of his playstyle. I'm gonna be playing a lot of Gambit because Gambit's my favorite fucking character and I would have, I would have played him no matter what he was, you know what saying?

Madlilg (58:47.803)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. was gonna I feel like that's a big thing to like Marvel, right? Like I love Marvel and shit and like I feel like if I feel like a character is gonna be like that kind of a character like a DPS or something like imagine they make Daredevil support, bro. I'm not playing that. That pissed me off. You know what I mean? So they got to be careful with that too, you know? You're right and like they made it work with Gambit, but Gambit can make sense, bro. He's like throws cards and shit and he has like a bunch of different abilities. But I kind of like when they match the lore a little bit, you know what I mean? And like I guess Rogue could be a tank, but I feel like she would just be better and like sup.

CaptainCoach (58:49.047)
really?

Mike (58:59.985)
You

CaptainCoach (59:01.161)
Matthew Mills (59:01.192)
But some people would though. But some people would though. You know...

Matthew Mills (59:08.605)
Right, right, right, right.

Mike (59:12.805)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a great idea, actually.

Matthew Mills (59:15.444)
All I'm saying is Ultron should have been Namor. Like throwing little sentries and those shooting. That doesn't make really make sense for Namor in my opinion. I think that should have been like an Ultron type character. Yeah, like he's building fucking like a robot that shoots, you know, I don't know that.

Madlilg (59:17.115)
I feel like it'd just be better to sub.

Madlilg (59:26.713)
Ultron thing, yeah.

Madlilg (59:31.737)
Yeah, I was mad when they dropped Ultron and he was like so boring. I was like, dude, what?

CaptainCoach (59:32.16)
Yo.

CaptainCoach (59:36.332)
Yo, Coach Mills, you know what we forgot to do last time that we should do right now while we're on the subject? Talk about, well, what's your favorite character, but then what character do you want to see added to the game? Since we're on the subject, did you want to, I mean, I'll do mine first just to show you guys. So obviously I play Hulk and I'm hoping they add Thanos as like a melee anchor tank and just have him just like walk around and spin his shield and like block projectiles and stuff and just have him just be like.

Matthew Mills (59:36.421)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's that?

Matthew Mills (59:46.428)
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

Mike (59:50.643)
yeah, that'd be sick.

Matthew Mills (59:50.654)
Yeah, yeah.

Madlilg (59:59.62)
Okay, yeah, well what kind of form of Thanos do you want? Gauntlet or like pre-gauntlet? Okay, good. Good answer. Bro, cause gauntlet Thanos would be too much, bro. It'd be too much.

CaptainCoach (01:00:03.329)
Pre-gauntlet, end game. Thanos.

Matthew Mills (01:00:08.34)
Does he use his O?

CaptainCoach (01:00:11.489)
Yeah, that'd be too much. Well, mean, Phoenix is in the game and she's like a cosmic entity, but yeah, like Thanos, just like with the battle armor and stuff.

Madlilg (01:00:16.057)
Yeah, but like unless they want to do his gauntlet and give him a bunch of abilities, but I feel like

Matthew Mills (01:00:16.5)
Yeah. What's his ult look like?

Mike (01:00:21.313)
You just snaps the team away, bro

CaptainCoach (01:00:21.924)
I think if he's gonna be a melee anchor tank, most of it should be like, he just walks around with Aura where he just kinda walks everywhere, because he just knows he's gonna win sort of thing, and then his ult would be him breaking out and going battle mode. So I think it should be like a stance base where he could have... Yeah, so should just be...

Matthew Mills (01:00:36.265)
like a tran- like a transform- yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. I see what you're saying.

Madlilg (01:00:38.759)
Yeah, I feel like a battle mode would be cool. Like he kind of beefs up and just like goes ham like a blood thirst mode kind of like more beefy more health kind of like getting nano'd like getting nano'd and just cooking but it's just for himself. I guess Hulk does that.

CaptainCoach (01:00:43.647)
Yeah, sort of like the, I mean.

Matthew Mills (01:00:43.794)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually

That's actually cool, it's like two forms. Like a tank with two forms, one offensive and one defensive, that'd be kind cool.

CaptainCoach (01:00:48.577)
And you get

Well, he should, yeah, he should get bonus to killing blows because in the lore he's just doing it for the goddess of death. Like that's all the only reason he's on his conquest to like kill half the life. So it should be something like that. It gets like like, like aggressive mode where he can kill people easier sort of thing. I think, yeah.

Madlilg (01:01:08.935)
Bro, what are they giving like, Sion passive from League, That would actually be cool, bro. That would actually be kinda cool.

CaptainCoach (01:01:12.457)
Yo, I would love permanently stacking characters. Actually, that would be sick. Like, get more kills, your health goes up permanently as the game goes on. I would play that character non-

Madlilg (01:01:21.721)
Or like, you know how when he dies he goes into that like blood rage mode where he punches? That could be cool too.

Matthew Mills (01:01:22.396)
That would be actually, that's insane as a mechanic. You reward people for not swapping and they play the characters throughout the game.

CaptainCoach (01:01:25.923)
yeah, yeah, dude. Well, that's, yeah, that's why League of Legends is so popular is they have broken stuff like that in the game. That's just like super addicting, like gameplay loops.

Madlilg (01:01:35.245)
And it's really fun too, like, because every time you were gonna go in, you're like, how many stacks can I get this game? how many stacks can I get this game? That would be a good ad. That'd be a fun ad.

CaptainCoach (01:01:39.541)
Bro that's... Yo, they added a stack! Man, well what-

Matthew Mills (01:01:44.276)
Yeah, so if you get off to a really good start, you could be really like power scale really fast and fucking be broken and...

CaptainCoach (01:01:50.114)
What character would best fit that then in Marvel? I'm sure it's like people in the comments probably know immediately, but I'm just trying to think of what character could like be like a scaling or is he already in the game?

Mike (01:01:54.698)
Yeah. I feel like...

Madlilg (01:01:56.944)
Or maybe instead of like permanent stacks, they do like small stacks, like kind of like snowball-y, right? You know how like Daredevil, every time I get a kill with a thing within the amount of seconds, then maybe it'll give me more damage for the next person I like target or mark, you know what mean? But only towards the person I mark. Maybe something like that could be kind of cool, know, like characters that could like snowball. Cause I feel like permanent stacks, I don't know if that'd fit the game too good, cause it's not really like building or CS or money involved.

CaptainCoach (01:02:18.325)
Yeah.

Yeah, no totally it definitely doesn't fit

Matthew Mills (01:02:21.556)
What character for you? What do you think, Mike?

Madlilg (01:02:24.155)
But if were to fit on any character, feel like Thanos would be tough.

Mike (01:02:26.595)
I feel like I feel like the best fit would it would be like guru I mean just make sense you like growing and shit, but I don't know anybody else Or like or like poison ivy or yeah, we know it's poison ivy in the notice poison ivy is like DC, right?

CaptainCoach (01:02:31.105)
yeah. Maybe his walls.

Madlilg (01:02:31.697)
True, or he could grow, yeah. Like after... Like each time he kills someone, he could like take a seed out of them.

Matthew Mills (01:02:32.5)
that's good. That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

CaptainCoach (01:02:39.092)
Ahaha

Mike (01:02:42.37)
I feel like any plant-based character, that would be like perfect. Any plant-based character would be perfect. Like a sapling or some shit.

Matthew Mills (01:02:43.76)
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What, what, what?

CaptainCoach (01:02:47.295)
Yeah, you could start off as like a smaller group and get bigger. More health, but easier to hit. Yeah.

Matthew Mills (01:02:49.084)
Yeah, I get big in overtime. That's actually that would actually look really visually cool Like you kill enemies and it drops like little saplings or some shit you like grab them and you're like fucking and growing That's actually great. And then you you start again like that that'd be actually kind of cool, too You just like start again. That's another one. It's like it's not every the whole game It's just like every life you like go three three forms that you build up, you know So you have to kind of play passive, but you're like doing a mini game trying to get bigger and you unlock abilities. Hey

Madlilg (01:02:51.035)
Yeah, like...

Madlilg (01:02:55.877)
He just gets big. Some Cho'Gath shit. That'd be like some Cho'Gath shit.

CaptainCoach (01:02:56.117)
You start off... You start off with lower health. Yeah, Cho'Gath, exactly. Exactly.

Mike (01:02:56.158)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (01:03:05.409)
Mike (01:03:09.128)
That would be crazy. That would be crazy.

CaptainCoach (01:03:12.149)
Yeah, Neddies.

Matthew Mills (01:03:17.916)
Hey, right, that's just... That's actually cool. That's actually cool. Right.

CaptainCoach (01:03:18.677)
That is, hire this man, hire this man.

Mike (01:03:18.86)
That would be tough, that's a good idea.

Madlilg (01:03:19.366)
Nah.

Hey bro, and if this game got the longevity, I could maybe see it coming. But that's when they needed TLC for some of these other characters, because it's going to make characters like Adam and shit not playable, bro. No one's going to play that over Cho'Gath growing, you know, like. Well, that's why feel like Gambit kind of kills the support role for the rest of the subs, because it's like, why are you not playing Gambit over those shit? Because he's literally does everything but better, right? I know they all got their own thing.

Matthew Mills (01:03:25.758)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (01:03:29.829)
They got a, we need a patch like this where they rework like five characters, 10 characters, add new abilities.

Matthew Mills (01:03:39.866)
Heheheheh... That... Yeah.

Mike (01:03:40.483)
Yeah.

CaptainCoach (01:03:44.042)
parts of that house

Matthew Mills (01:03:45.106)
Okay, you did Thanos, what about you, MattyLilG? What do you think? What character? Lore, what did they do? Nightcrawler? Bro, Nightcrawler, I'm telling you, bro, Nightcrawler's gonna be a support. You're not gonna like it, but he's gonna be a support. They're gonna tell it, you know, that's literally what they're gonna do.

Madlilg (01:03:48.751)
Mmm nightcrawler, bro. I'm waiting for nightcrawler

CaptainCoach (01:03:51.562)
Nightcrawler, yeah.

Madlilg (01:03:55.784)
Nah, bro, and I I can see it too. I've kind of said it too I was like he better not just be like teleport to a teammate teleport him out of danger kind of bullshit Because he does that a lot in the movies. No, I want him from like, you know that scene where he's in the white house I want like that kind of nightcrawler Yeah, bro, like I need I need that dude like I want him to be Like the only assassin in the game like the glass cannon the rengar of the game the kha'zix of the game you know what I mean like

CaptainCoach (01:04:03.585)
Mmm

Matthew Mills (01:04:08.172)
dude, that's like maybe the best scene out of all the Expo movies like for sure like

Matthew Mills (01:04:19.156)
Uhhhh

CaptainCoach (01:04:19.393)
Mmm.

Madlilg (01:04:21.957)
As much as support so I hate it I feel like but I want him to be like so glass caniney like if he goes in there like he could dive really hard like I want him to be like a high skill ceiling but do a fuck ton of damage but you have to do it perfectly I don't know

CaptainCoach (01:04:30.977)
I a question. What do you think about having two different versions of the same character, one for like a different role and then one for like a nightcrawler DPS, then a nightcrawler support. And it's designed slightly differently, but it's effectively like the same abilities, right? So like, you know, you could use it on teammates with one loadout. Like, do you want like something like that in the game or? Cause I feel like with Iron Man, you could do like Hulkbuster Iron Man and he would just be a tank. It'd be kind of like a different character.

Mike (01:04:32.112)
you you

Matthew Mills (01:04:51.758)
like a form.

Madlilg (01:04:56.077)
Interesting. Yeah, that would be that would be cool, huh? Like each character you could choose like a loadout and I would be that'd be a cool game low-key like Iron Man It depends on what suit Iron Man puts on he could either heal he could do damage or he could tank

Matthew Mills (01:04:59.912)
They'll probably do that with Spider-Man, someone in the Spider-Verse.

Mike (01:05:05.605)
That is bad. That's horrible.

Matthew Mills (01:05:06.952)
Yeah, I'd actually be sick. Yeah

CaptainCoach (01:05:08.289)
Because it is kind of lame. It's like Iron Man is one of the most popular Marvel characters. I mean, at least in the competitive scene, he's not really that fun or meta, in my opinion. Right?

Madlilg (01:05:08.935)
That'd be pretty cool.

Madlilg (01:05:13.093)
and he's kind of like boring.

Matthew Mills (01:05:19.188)
What about you?

Madlilg (01:05:19.237)
I think he's cool and he did a lot of damage. He was fun in the first season of the game, but now he just gets tapped. He's just too big of a target in this guy. They made him too beefy, Loki. They made him too... thick. He just gets shit on.

Mike (01:05:20.462)
I think Quicksilver or Cyclops. I think those are my two best because Quicksilver, he would be some like fast. I think it's like, obviously there's like a Spider-Man and shit, but I feel like a ground really fast character. Surfer, I like that.

Matthew Mills (01:05:29.972)
What about you Mike? about you? What do think?

CaptainCoach (01:05:30.507)
Yeah.

Matthew Mills (01:05:47.348)
Surfing around that would be fucking that feel good. That'd feel really good. Oh Oh, I'm fucking trolling. Oh, yeah, right. Oh, I thought it was like about craig tome. Oh shit You just want to straight up like speed guy, No, it's interesting how they'll make it cuz I know in a lot of Marvel games They just do speedsters by slowing everyone down which you can't really do in a competitive game They probably just make you go like fucking mock 10 and you just have to react. He does that the like or

CaptainCoach (01:05:50.815)
Wait. You're thinking of Silv- Yeah, it's Quicksilver. Yeah.

Mike (01:05:50.914)
Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, like speedster in the game or cyclops. Yeah.

Madlilg (01:05:51.153)
No, that's Silver Surfer, he's talking about Quicksilver, the- the Speedster, the Speedster.

CaptainCoach (01:05:59.466)
I said that in one of our past-

Madlilg (01:05:59.944)
Nah, spacer would be mad tough.

Mike (01:06:08.684)
Yeah. Like Tracer, he can be like Tracer.

CaptainCoach (01:06:10.229)
He's just gonna teleport.

Madlilg (01:06:11.451)
They should have saved Psylocke ult for the speedster. That would make sense. Am I right? Cause like...

Matthew Mills (01:06:15.28)
That's actually a good point, right? Why didn't they they make they need to make silo like Dragonblade like it should have been like that where you're controlling it Yeah, yeah, that's actually sick and then Damn now. I want quick silver now that I accidentally misunderstood that. Yeah. Yeah, but anyways good. Yeah quick silver would be sick Cyclops. I think they're gonna make Cyclops a support, bro. I Think they're gonna make him. I know I keep saying that Because he it's like a bard command because he's the leader of the X-Men So he does like commanding shout and shit and he gives like buffs to your team

CaptainCoach (01:06:16.897)
Yeah

Madlilg (01:06:20.719)
Yeah, like literally Genji for real, like more fun, especially with how divey she is, you know.

Mike (01:06:34.292)
Socklops is so cool though, like imagine he's just like a fucking beam

CaptainCoach (01:06:37.109)
Wait, how would he be a support?

CaptainCoach (01:06:44.479)
Babe, isn't he, his whole thing is just a laser beam that kills things. Like how is that, like what are you talking about? No, it's not.

Matthew Mills (01:06:45.552)
I think they would do that. Yeah, yeah, but he's the- I'm just telling you, it's Commanding Shout, Bro, Gavott does not heal in the lore. Adam Warlock is not healing shit. He's fucking killing shit. But anyways, wait, wait, wait. no, no, that's a tank for sure. No, it's kidding. but-

Madlilg (01:06:45.799)
See it Yeah, I was gonna alright. I think they need to keep DPS and DPS tanks and tanks and supports and supports

Mike (01:06:48.546)
Hahaha

CaptainCoach (01:06:57.857)
Ugh.

Mike (01:06:57.932)
Yo, what about Professor X though? What about Professor X? Imagine he's a DPS though, bro.

CaptainCoach (01:07:01.247)
He's definitely a support. He has to be, right? Mind healing.

Madlilg (01:07:03.622)
Yeah.

Madlilg (01:07:06.993)
He'd be in the coach slot on the side,

Mike (01:07:09.478)
yo, what if, what if, yo, Loki, what if Professor X like controlled like an enemy? You just like take control of one of their enemies. That would be tough. Nah, that would be so tough.

CaptainCoach (01:07:09.81)
Matthew Mills (01:07:14.798)
shit. They would be so mad, but it'd be hilarious, bro. It'd be so funny.

CaptainCoach (01:07:15.374)
Yo, that would be sick. I mean, I basically already do that on Hulk.

Madlilg (01:07:15.825)
People would hate that though.

That'd be like an insane CC, bro. Imagine. That'd be like insane CC, dude. That would piss people off.

Mike (01:07:23.106)
That would be so tough though.

CaptainCoach (01:07:25.385)
I mean I do that on Hulk, I lock people in CC for like 10 seconds sometimes. It's in the game already.

Matthew Mills (01:07:26.376)
Because like for that force like that mortar Kaiser force 1v1 all we thought about it for a professor X

Madlilg (01:07:29.127)
That's true, that's true.

But you can be stopped. If he takes them over, they can't stop that shit. They just, you're deal with it.

Matthew Mills (01:07:36.972)
So, okay, all right, so I stole this from a chatter but yeah, how do you feel about this Bishop so Bishop can like absorb energy and shit What if he's a support that he can bubble himself and then how much damage he takes he can convert that to healing or damage depending on like like a beam or like a healing So he has like he has like counterplay, but he has to be in the fight You know if he wants high up time like high heals or high whatever he needs to be in the fight Like he can't just be hiding against the trade damage

Mike (01:07:51.373)
Oh, that's that's a good idea that's actually gonna do

CaptainCoach (01:07:52.587)
Yeah, that sounds fun.

Mike (01:08:01.102)
Yeah

Madlilg (01:08:01.512)
That's what they should have done with BP's Subaru. You know what I mean? Like his Wakanda Subaru, whenever he takes damage, he can like blow it out during the movies. I don't know why they didn't add that. That's kind of what that reminds me of. I've never heard of Bishop though.

Matthew Mills (01:08:08.548)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like...

bishops is dope, but this is sick.

CaptainCoach (01:08:13.515)
Bro, that's what I was saying they should have added for the team up is like a gamma powered vibranium suit instead of the shield that they gave them and let them do like an AOE like knockback thing. That would have been so much better than what they did with the Hulk team up.

Madlilg (01:08:23.941)
Yeah, kinda feel bad for BP. This character's so bad right now.

Matthew Mills (01:08:24.215)
Yeah. All right. Yeah, I did too. All right. All right. To wrap things up, we'll be going for about an hour and 10 minutes. I just want everyone to give me out of 10. What's the review? What's the score for season five? Captain, you first. What do you think?

Mike (01:08:24.75)
I love you!

CaptainCoach (01:08:27.297)
You

CaptainCoach (01:08:39.769)
well, I don't know if you see right there, Coach Mills, I got a Season 5W. I think it's written on the whiteboard here, also Buff Hulk. I actually really like this patch. I like how they're pushing everything to be OP rather than underpowered. They just, I still think they gotta like, be careful. Like characters like Psylocke are way too strong still. So I can't give it like a perfect grade because there's a lot of characters that are just too broken.

Matthew Mills (01:08:44.564)
W shit shit

CaptainCoach (01:09:08.725)
And the game's definitely the most imbalanced it's ever been. That being said, it's probably the most fun it's been since I want to say like season one. So I'm going to give it an eight out of 10. I think this is a really good patch. And I think people are to look back at this patch as hopefully like the turning point where they figured things out and started just doubling down on making the game fun. Yeah. So I'm really happy with it.

Madlilg (01:09:08.935)
Hello?

Mike (01:09:17.202)
Yeah. You bet.

Matthew Mills (01:09:30.484)
Okay, Matt, G, do think?

Madlilg (01:09:33.128)
Hmm. Well, I'm just really happy that they didn't nerve Daredevil after the first season. So think after that, because I think he was a healthy add to the game, bro. We needed something fun, something new, something fresh, someone that did damage, especially after all the other ads they had. You know, I feel like all the other characters they added sucked unless it was like Emma. Emma was like the last good ad that was broken. So I think it's good. I want to say this season, probably like, probably like an eight, nine. Let's do nine. think nine's a pretty solid spot. Yeah, that's the only reason though. The only reason it's nine.

Matthew Mills (01:09:36.899)
Thank you.

Matthew Mills (01:09:55.22)
Alright, now they dodge that DD nerf the Diddy nerf nice What do you have that's the only reason yeah, what so watch yourself rivals you can't there you can't ever them What about what do you your mics? What do you think?

Madlilg (01:10:02.979)
Yeah, dude. Yeah.

Mike (01:10:09.23)
I would say a 10 out of 10 but the fact that Penny is as good as she is now and Torch is if Torch just didn't get any buffs for some reason he's as like the lowest picker in the game I would give it a 9 out of 10 because it is the most fun I've had in this game since release like it nothing in this game really is unfun of course if you play like Killbot rocket but like Gambit is the greatest release of this game every character's giga broken like it's just the most fun I've ever had in this game

Matthew Mills (01:10:16.134)
Hahaha

Mike (01:10:39.276)
like honestly.

Matthew Mills (01:10:39.476)
Yeah, yeah, no, I actually I think I think right now I'm feeling a 10 out of 10 I do feel like by the end of the season I'm probably gonna be feeling like a 7 out of 10 like I just know I know that that's gonna happen but I'm not gonna worry about balance of the future at the expense of the fun So I'm just gonna have the fun. I'm gonna ride the 10 out of 10 It's probably gonna be shit later, but let's not worry about later. Let's just have a good time

CaptainCoach (01:10:41.093)
yeah.

CaptainCoach (01:10:45.941)
Wow.

There's too much OP stuff.

Madlilg (01:10:53.23)
Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Mike (01:10:57.442)
Yeah. Yeah. Now that's tough. Now that's tough. Now that's tough. That's tough.

Madlilg (01:11:01.647)
Our ranks are probably that high because of this last season's were so bad you think right? The last season's have been so bad so this one's like nice.

Matthew Mills (01:11:04.988)
Yeah

CaptainCoach (01:11:05.761)
you

Matthew Mills (01:11:08.86)
Yeah, but I appreciate both of y'all coming on. And Mad, tell people where to find you. Tell people where to follow you.

Madlilg (01:11:14.632)
just scroll on shorts long enough,

Matthew Mills (01:11:18.816)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody. Nobody's up. Hey, dude, that's it. It is. is. What about you, Mike?

CaptainCoach (01:11:19.233)
That's Aura. That's Aura, bro.

Madlilg (01:11:20.881)
Find it. Find it.

Mike (01:11:26.254)
Mike's mobile every platform rank one gambit rank one torch. I know where to find me

Matthew Mills (01:11:31.489)
Let's go. I appreciate y'all for coming by. Catch y'all later.

Madlilg (01:11:31.932)
Sounds good. Hey, appreciate you guys having me. JG's. Yeah, those is.

Mike (01:11:33.09)
Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Have a great rest of your day.

CaptainCoach (01:11:33.345)
was a pleasure, boys.

CaptainCoach (01:11:37.442)
Bye.