Inside Marketing with MarketSurge

In this episode of Inside Marketing with MarketSurge, Reed Hansen sits down with Charles Craggett, founder of Become the Authority and creator of the Job Flow Framework — a system built specifically to help home service businesses stop wasting leads and start compounding revenue.
Here’s the uncomfortable truth:
Most contractors don’t have a marketing problem.
They have a systems problem.
While everyone else is selling more ads and more leads, Charles focuses on the internal structure that actually converts those leads into:
✔ Booked jobs
✔ 5-star reviews
✔ Referrals
✔ Repeat business
✔ Lower acquisition costs
If you’re in roofing, HVAC, plumbing, flooring, or any home services trade — this conversation could completely change how you look at growth.
💡 What You’ll Learn:
• Why most home service businesses are losing money before marketing even starts
• The real reason response time kills conversions
• How to use AI without removing the human touch
• Why your email & SMS list may be your most valuable asset
• How Google Reviews lower your paid ad costs
• The Job Flow Framework explained step-by-step
• Why “more leads” is often the wrong answer
🔥 Key Takeaways
✅ Marketing without internal systems = wasted ad spend
✅ Fast response time dramatically increases booked jobs
✅ Authority is built through visibility across multiple channels
✅ Reviews + SEO + paid ads compound together
✅ Your existing customer list is a hidden revenue machine
🌐 Connect with Charles Craggett:
Website:
👉 https://getjobflowsystem.com
Find him on Facebook (look for the tiger 🐅 profile photo)
Instagram: @charles.nwm
📈 At MarketSurge, we help businesses turn scattered tools into scalable growth machines.
Whether you're in home services or any service-based business, systems beat tactics — every time.
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Speaker: Welcome to Inside
Marketing With Market Surge.

Your front row seat to the
boldest ideas and smartest

strategies in the marketing game.

Your host is Reed Hansen, chief
Growth Officer at Market Surge.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hello and
welcome back to Inside Marketing with

Market Surge, where we separate marketing
myths from money making systems.

I'm your host, Reed Hansen, chief
Growth Officer at Market Surge, where

we help businesses turn scattered
tools into scalable growth machines.

I am so grateful to have Charles
Kragt today who is the founder

of Become the Authority, and he's
on a mission to fix something.

Most home service businesses are
doing completely backward while

everyone else is selling ads, SEO
packages, and even just more leads.

Charles billed what most.

Contractors never knew they were missing
the internal structure that actually

converts those leads into book jobs.

Five star reviews and review
referrals that compound.

He calls it the job flow framework.

And today we're breaking down
why most local businesses aren't

losing because of marketing.

They're losing because of systems.

Charles, welcome to the show.

I'm so glad to have you.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Glad to be on Reid.

It's good to meet you.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah, likewise.

So Charles, first of all, you say
that most home services businesses

are doing marketing backwards.

what would you say in general
they're getting wrong?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So what we typically see is two issues.

One, they're not doing
any marketing at all.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
they're doing completely word of

mouth and you know, that might
be fine, especially with some of

the industries that we work in.

When it comes to things like
roofing, gutter replacement, stuff

like that, you could stumble into a
pretty decent amount of revenue just

because the margins are so high and
the cost and everything like that.

Right.

that's the first issue is that
they're not doing any marketing at

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
second issue that we see is that

they are doing marketing, but they
don't really have something that

allows them to understand the data.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Oh.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
They don't understand.

How much it costs per lead, how
much it costs to acquire a customer,

and then what the lifetime value of
that customer is once they're in the

door, because there's no processes.

And then there's also the intangibles
where a customer could be valuable.

Where you're like, Hey, is this
person giving me referrals?

Is this person leaving a Google Review?

That there's so many areas where we're
just not maximizing the amount of value

we can get out of each person that
comes through our door, and that's what

we build our systems in order to fix.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

How did you find yourself working
with home services businesses?

Is this a background that you have
in, in the space or connections or,

Charles Craggett Become The Authority: No.

So I actually stumbled into this.

My background is in insurance

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: well.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
I used to be a agency owner for

a life insurance brokerage, and.

During COVID, we used to go out and we'd
see people in person when we were doing

ourselves and writing policies and stuff.

But when COVID happened, they switched
us to a really rinky dink kind

of phone system that just did not
work for me or anything like that.

And I said, well.

I'm an agency owner, I have a little
bit more freedom than the average bear.

I'm gonna build my own system.

So I started getting exposed to CRMs
and paid ads and things of that nature.

Built my own system for my insurance
agency and we were able to not

only survive during CO but thrive.

And one of my friends reached
out to me who's in the window

replacement business and said, Hey,
this looks really cool, Charles.

Could you build something
like this for my company?

And I'm like.

Sure.

Yeah.

And I remember at the time I
might have charged him maybe

like a couple hundred dollars.

I didn't know what I was
doing, but I built that.

He got a lot of value from it, and
it made me realize, wow, this is a

problem that I could potentially solve.

Because the more that I
talked to people who were.

his network that also own
different trades businesses.

The more I'm like, you guys have
the same problems, your internal

systems are a mess and you don't have
a consistent lead flow coming in.

You know, and even if you did, it would
be going into so many different inboxes

areas, there'd be no organization to it,
so you'd just be burning money anyway.

And so as a result we just
decided to start the agency.

It's about three years old now.

We're doing very well.

We, we have an average growth rate for
our client who comes through the door.

We help them grow anywhere from
40 to 60% year over year as far

as their annual revenue goes.

And they weren't doing anything wrong.

They just needed better organization and
better leads coming through the door.

They already understood how to sell.

They already understood how to run
their business and everything like that.

We were just able to
kind of optimize them.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Well, um, you know, you've referenced
a job flow framework, so, you know,

I, I think frameworks are a good thing
in, in the marketing space so we can,

uh, do things in a repeatable way.

And you know, like take, take,
because I'm sure like when you say

home services business, there's some
tweaks you need to make between an

HVAC business and a roofing business.

Tell us a little bit about
this framework job flow.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So job flow is the just simplified

breakdown of how we do what we

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Ultimately it's just using the proper

marketing channels to bring in the leads,
putting them into a system that allows

for those leads to convert and then.

Compounding on all of that
advertising to where we can get

either repeat business or the sort
of intangibles again, like referrals,

Google reviews, things like that.

So what we typically do with
our clients is we do what we

call a marketing and systems

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Now, if they reach out to us and they book

a call, suddenly they'll start to get.

Us trying to get in contact with them.

We're gonna go through their
website and fill out their forms.

We're going to call their phone number.

We're gonna track all of the response
times and just see how are you

doing as far as intaking leads?

And unfortunately, this is where a
lot of home service businesses fail

because I'll reach out to someone, let's
say I'm reaching out to a plumber you

respond to me four or five hours later.

I was really, really, really
trying to get my toilet fixed.

I don't have four or five
hours to wait my friend.

So,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Right.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So we're able to show that to people and

say, Hey, look, this is what a consumer is
going through when they try to reach out

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So when you do bring a lead in,

this is what they're going through.

Do you really think this is the best
use of your marketing dollars or is this

the best way to bring a customer in?

I'm telling you that it's not,
and you can now see that it's not.

'cause a lot of the times we're not all
the way in the weeds of what's happen.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah, yeah,

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Right.

we're running the business, or in
their case, they're home service guys.

So they're up on the roof, they're
doing repairs, they're doing all

sorts of stuff, and they don't have
time to look at the internal systems.

They're just kinda like,
oh, I saw that lead.

I, I, maybe I'll give 'em a call
today or something like that.

That's how a lot of these guys are
functioning, unfortunately, you know,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: yeah.

Absolutely.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So it's, it starts with that audit where

we can show them all the sort of gaps
and leaks and everything like that.

Then we build a custom marketing strategy
for them based around whether we're

going to run ads on Facebook, maybe
take a more Google centric approach

SEO everything in between, right?

Even answer engine optimization.

We're working on that right now.

We'll be rolling it out.

But we do all of those things and we
put together a custom stack that's kind

of based on where they are in business.

And then once they decide that
they want to get started with

us, we're off to the races.

We start building a custom CRM for
them, building out all of their

different internal systems doing all
of the creatives and then launching

their ad campaigns and, know.

It just kind of rocks from there.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: So tell me,
uh, you know, you've, you work with a

lot of different home service businesses.

What are some of, maybe if we go into
a little bit of some of the specifics?

So, and maybe I'm making some assumptions
here, but you, you work with specific

kinds of home service businesses.

Are there specific approaches that
work in roofing, that don't work in

hvac, that don't work in plumbing?

Are, are there any, um, have you
noticed any things that are like

particularly different about the buying
act activities of different clients?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So on a surface level, no.

where we

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
that differentiation helps is when

we focus on how can we make the
messaging not only more personalized,

but also more local centric.

Okay, so let's say for instance,
we're talking about a roofer, right?

We're not gonna put together just
a generic cookie cutter roofing

campaign and, and do the same
roofing campaign for someone out in

California where it's bright and sunny.

we're over here on the East Coast
where we get rain, we get snow, we

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
like

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Why do these two people have

the same sort of roofing

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
They

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Sure.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Right.

So in our case, we're like, let's look at.

Hey, let's talk about storm damage.

Let's talk about the things that
are happening in our backyard right

now and incorporate that into our
marketing so that these people know

that we aren't just sending out some
cookie cutter blasting messages.

We took some time, we understood
what their unique situation is,

we started reaching out to them.

So it's really about our messaging is.

Pretty much the same across all
of the different industries where

we're identifying the core problem
that our services can solve.

But then we take it a step further
and we're like, let's talk about

the specific problems you might
be facing in your area right now.

We know that there was
just a storm last week.

That means it's time to go ahead and
do a storm focused campaign and push

that out to everybody in your list,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
it, it's just stuff like that.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Now you mentioned response time as
being one of the first places you start

to identify leaks or inefficiencies.

Do you, uh, utilize the AI
agents either for the messaging

or for the responding to calls?

You know, I, I know you use CRM technology
that has, has that embedded, do you

have you had any experience with that?

Like, do you have any opinions on that?

I mean, you've got a roofer on the
roof, you can't always grab the phone.

What do you think about
the AI fast response?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
I like AI response

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority: do.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
But I do have mixed feelings on them

simply because the more that I talk
to consumers, the more that I'm like,

consumers are not a huge fan of talking to

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So what I like to tell my clients,

'cause typically we work with
more established businesses

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So they have some sort of

receptionist or office person or
something of that nature, right?

And so we'll tell them, we're
going to make it very easy for

this person to field calls.

So we want that office person to
field most of the calls, but in the

event that somebody reaches out and
that, and we aren't able to get to

the phone, then we can default to
the AI so that nothing slips through

the cracks, but we want the top.

The, the priority person to be a human
so that people can get that interaction.

And you know, a lot of people
will say, okay, well that,

that might be inefficient.

It might be this, but it's like
we have to remember that we're

still doing business with people.

We have to do what we can to make
those people feel comfortable

when they're working with us.

So sometimes picking up the phone and
hearing a human on the other line is

going to make them feel more at peace
working with you and everything like that.

Now we do use, where we primarily use
AI is in our text and email blast.

Okay?

So.

We'll send out a message and we
like to call it the Yes campaign.

We present a problem to the person
and we say, we can help you with this

reply Yes, and we can reach out to you.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Once they reply, yes, that triggers the

bot to start doing the intake, asking
all of those qualifying questions and

everything like that, and we train it.

What we do is we sit down with the
business owner and we have a conversation

with them and interview them.

We take that information, we feed it to
the bot, and we use that to train the

bot on how the person speaks and talks.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So once that bot is going back and

forth with them, it's using their lingo,
it's using the way that they talk,

it's using, maybe if this person is a
short texter, it uses short messages.

If this person is kind of a longer more
long-winded person, we might throw a

couple extra words in there, right?

We try to make it as human
sounding as as possible.

We get all of their information
and then we say, okay, perfect.

You can either book on our calendar or
one of us is gonna be reaching out to you.

And of course we push all that data
over to the office manager and the

office manager can reach out to them,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Awesome.

Thanks.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
we like ai.

There's nothing wrong with ai, but
I think we just have to, we can't.

Optimize ourselves out of existence.

We have to still remember
the human element of customer

service, sales and marketing.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Well said.

I like that.

Now Charles, you call your
business become the authority.

So I assume that authority building
is a big part of your process.

How does that, how do you do
that for a trade business?

You know, or what, what does that mean?

Are there certain tasks?

Certain channels that you emphasize or,
or you know, how, how do you do that?

How do you make somebody the authority?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So something that makes a person,

the authority inside of their
space is, visibility, just

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
up visibility, right?

The more that people know that.

only do you do this thing, but
you're the guy that does this thing.

You're the roofing guy, you're the
HVAC guy, you're the flooring guy,

you're the gutter replacement guy.

so, what we focus on is creating as
many channels to optimize visibility.

So we have some customers that are local
to us, where we're also doing social

media management for them as well.

So we do social media to
do the organic visibility.

We'll do paid ads and SEO to
get that organic visibility on

the SEO side and then the paid
ads to start bringing people in.

We're posting on their Google
My Business page so that people

can see that it's active.

We're bringing in new reviews
so that they can see Wow.

It wasn't six months ago that
somebody had a positive experience.

It was literally yesterday, right?

And so the more that people can look
online and see that social proof

that you are who you say you are,
you deliver good work and people

are actively transacting with you.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
As well as the fact that everywhere

I go now, I can't escape you.

You

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
No matter which channel you're on,

whether you're on Instagram, Google,
Facebook, whatever, you can escape the,

the flooring guy, the roofing guy, the
HVAC guy that creates a lot of authority

and it just keeps a person top of mind.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Yeah.

And so once a person has a problem
that we can solve, we tend to be

the first call, even if they weren't
ready to do business with us.

You know, six months ago when they
first saw the ad, we just kept

hammering at home because we knew
that, hey, you are a homeowner.

You do live in this area.

You might have a problem
we can solve at some point.

And then when that storm
rolls through, hey, here we

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
you know.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

No, that's, that's great.

Tell me a little bit about how, you know,
as we're talking about Google and, um, how

do re reviews and referrals help, uh, push
business, you know, and, and are you, you

know, can you amplify those uh, channels?

Can you, can you get more
leads from those channels?

Are there certain processes
you like to use for those?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So what we like to do is we like

to optimize the Google My Business

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
We wanna have as many services

on there as humanly possible.

We want it, the website,
pushing the right way.

We want a phone number with
active tracking on there.

We wanna consistently put up
new photos so that people can

see new project work and stuff.

And what a lot of people don't
realize About all of these systems

is that everything is connected.

These algorithms run very deep
and all of these companies are

selling their data to each other.

I don't care what anyone says, I
don't care what you clicked at the

bottom somehow, some way they're
going to sell your data to somebody

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Right.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
right?

So.

And I say that to say this, by
optimizing the Google My Business

page, you're going to see a
progressive decline in your overall

costs when it comes to running ads.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Right.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
this is about building it up to

where Google knows you're serious.

It's going to show your
stuff to more people.

They know that you're an authority
person because they can see this

person has a lot of reviews.

This person can consistently is on
our platform posting and engaging.

So.

If he's putting money behind his ads,
we're going to put more effort into the

algorithm to push him to more people
because we understand these are the kinds

of businesses that we wanna work with.

Now that's a really simplified version
of the Google algorithm, right?

But that's essentially how it works.

The more willing to put time in.

When it comes to optimizing your stuff,
getting those reviews, making the page

active, showing the satisfied customers,
showing the good projects, the more

that Google will be incentivized to push
you out, and that means you're going to

be shown more people and progressively
reduce your overall lead cost over time.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: So thank you,
Charles, that I think that's a great

overview and I I mean, I, I feel like
that is low hanging fruit that most small

businesses or medium sized businesses can.

Yeah, exactly.

And you know, they can see a lot of
value by making those changes today.

So maybe last question.

If a home service business, were
listening right now, an owner we're

listening right now and could only fix
one thing in the next 30 days to increase

profit, what would you tell them to do?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
I would tell them to book a call

with me, but honest to God I would
tell them to take a look at their

internal systems and say, how often
am I communicating with these people?

Right, because we're, yeah, of
course we're going to run ads.

We're going to get leads in, right?

Leads are fine, but leads, if you have
a decent close rate, we're talking

maybe 20, 30, maybe 40% on your close
rate when it comes to leads, right?

those referrals, those
repeat businesses, a list.

contact list that's built optimized and
allows for you to text and email your

people offers at will is significantly
more valuable than any paid ads campaign.

Right.

I'm sure you're familiar with Hor Mozy.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Sure.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
talks about the power of having your

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
So I would say go look.

Your list.

You have customers inside of your list.

When was the last time you
texted everybody in your

list and said, I have this

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Right.

Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
When was the last time you sent everybody

an email and said, we're doing this,
this, and this in the community today?

Or, we just finished this project?

Would you like us to come look at yours?

When was the last time you reminded.

This list of people who already
know, like, and trust you, that

you exist, you're still doing
business and you can help them.

So that would be the first thing
that I would start doing is looking

at, do I have the capability to text
and email a massive list of people?

I don't, why don't I have that?

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
they're losing money.

Just, just right there.

By not having consistent communication
with people and everybody's

like, oh, I need more leads.

I gotta spend more money.

I

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
a very nominal fee to send

out emails and text messages.

The ROI on sending texts and emails is
massive, and I'm sure you know that.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Absolutely.

Well, awesome.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
that's what I would focus on.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Well,
that's a great response and you've

shared a lot of great insight.

I hope that home service businesses
in the audience would reach out to

you talk to you sounds like you have a
great process with, with your job flow.

Now, if people would like to reach
you, where can they find you?

Where are the best links
to get ahold of you?

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
I was gonna say, so we've

got our website right now.

You could go to www.getjobflowsystem.com

if you're interested in working with us.

If you wanna find me on Facebook,
you can just look up my name.

I will be sitting next to a tiger.

I was over in Thailand.

I, I fight Muay Thai,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
was over in Thailand and I

got to hang out with a tiger.

So I've been using that
as my profile picture.

So, if you see me sitting next to
a tiger, you found the right place.

And you can also follow me on
Instagram at charles dot nw

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority: m.

Yep.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: right.

Well Charles, so great to
have you on the podcast.

I appreciate all your experience
and wisdom and, you know,

hopefully we can stay in touch.

Thanks so much, Charles.

Charles Craggett Become The Authority:
Absolutely Reid.

Have a great

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: You too.

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