Ju and Cleo in the Big Wide World

Julia welcomes her older sibling, Mil (also known as Cleo), to discuss their shared history and memories of growing up together. The siblings touch on a wide range of topics, including their childhood experiences showing award-winning chickens and their surreal, "fear-mongering" experiences working at a summer camp in rural North Carolina.

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Julia Laursen

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00:01
Julia
Hey, guys, we're back with a special little nasty guest. This is my older sibling, Cleo. Cleo, say hi. Hi.

00:13
Mil
My name is Mill or Cleo, AKA Cleo.

00:18
Julia
And tell us about yourself. Where do you go to school? What do you do? Like, what's the tea?

00:21
Mil
I go to Unc Chapel Hill, the better public institution in the triangle.

00:27
Julia
That's really interesting.

00:28
Mil
And let's.

00:29
Julia
Can you turn the mic so you're talking into the front of it?

00:32
Mil
Yes, I go to unc. Oh, yeah, I go to UNC Chapel Hill. I am a senior who graduates in December.

00:42
Julia
A super senior, some would say. Nope. Where my hug at? Where my hug at? And.

00:52
Mil
This is my little mister.

00:54
Julia
Oh, hey, mister. That's what. That's what Cleo says to me all the time.

00:58
Mil
Hey, mister, what's your name?

00:59
Julia
Hey, mister. Read all about it. That's what Cleo says to me.

01:03
Mil
That's all I know about me.

01:05
Julia
Okay, this is an impromptu thing because I was just like, cleo, let's go see the station. And then we walked in, and then I was like, do you want to see what you look like on a recording? And now we're recording, so maybe I'll put it into our next episode.

01:18
Mil
I think it should be published.

01:20
Julia
It should be published?

01:21
Mil
Yes.

01:21
Julia
Well, what's something that you've been wanting to say on the pod that you think should be published?

01:25
Mil
I've been wanting to say I think this is the first episode that we're gonna have pass the Bechdel test.

01:32
Julia
Okay. Cleo has always had a problem with my lack of ability to pass the Bechdel test.

01:39
Mil
Well, I just think you should at least one conversation in your life. Pass the Becky.

01:43
Julia
Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. Not all of us are in happy relationships.

01:49
Mil
Okay, well, not all of us always were.

01:51
Julia
Well, you have been for the past about two years.

01:55
Mil
Two and a half years with some breaks in there.

01:59
Julia
Some very short breaks. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh, the botal test. Okay, so tell me, what else have you been wanting to say? Because you've lowkey been begging to be on the podcast, you and Lucy.

02:20
Mil
Well, I can't say. Lucy's my best friend and my roommate. And really, this episode would be enhanced if she were here.

02:28
Julia
It's true. She's a funny guy.

02:29
Mil
What would we say if were here? We would talk about. Yeah, I don't know. Y' all don't really even say anything of substance.

02:40
Julia
What was the last episode you listened.

02:42
Mil
To a couple weeks ago?

02:47
Julia
The last. The episode that came out on Friday was of substance.

02:50
Mil
Yeah, I saw that. But it scared me. I didn't listen to it.

02:53
Julia
It scared you? Why did. Why did it scare you?

02:56
Mil
Because I don't want to be sad.

02:58
Julia
Oh. I mean, it was kind of sad. I had. I, like, listened to it and. But I only listened to the first part. In the last part. I didn't listen to the middle part because I couldn't handle hearing it again. Why? Because it was a hard conversation. I don't like hearing myself feel sad and also Kieran feel sad.

03:13
Mil
Why were you sad?

03:14
Julia
Because it was a scary conversation about stuff that we don't usually talk about. Like what? Like Bodhi Image. Because we. We started talking about. Well, it wasn't. I, Like, I wasn't personally super sad, but it was kind of a hard conversation. But because were talking about the gym, which then transitioned to Bodhi Image.

03:32
Mil
But I have muscles now. Right? I do not go to the gym. And I've been feeling recently like my muscles have atrophied and I feel weak, but I need to start riding my bike again.

03:47
Julia
You could ride your bike.

03:48
Mil
Yeah, but my body image issues are that I feel like my muscles have atrophied.

03:53
Julia
Well, you should go to the gym. Don't you like to climb on the rock?

03:56
Mil
I do, but I don't have time.

03:59
Julia
But.

03:59
Mil
But I do not have time, so.

04:01
Julia
Well, I'm sorry. I went to the gym for, like, two hours the other day.

04:06
Mil
That would be nice. I could have time. I could have time if I, like, woke up and stuff, but.

04:14
Julia
Right.

04:15
Mil
But I like. But. But I haven't been sleeping, like, and I go to bed too late, and then I want to sleep in the morning.

04:22
Julia
Right.

04:23
Mil
You know?

04:24
Julia
Yeah, yeah, we've all been there.

04:25
Mil
And then it's rainy when I wake up, and then I just want to stay in bed.

04:28
Julia
Well, that's when you. That's, like, the best time to go to the gym because it's less people there. That's why I had time to go for two hours the other day is because I, like, my class was canceled and it was rainy, and there was, like, really nothing going on, so I was like, let me go. But I did almost pass out on the StairMaster.

04:45
Mil
That's. That doesn't sound fun for me.

04:48
Julia
Well, the StairMaster isn't fun, but lifting is fun. Look at the squat rack.

04:52
Mil
I actually dreamed last night that mom got me some. Some weights, and I actually was really excited because if I had my own weights, then I would do stuff. Like, in my house, I think the thought of, like, going out to a gym and, like, all that is not nice for me because if I'm at my house and I can just go.

05:08
Julia
Right.

05:09
Mil
Take a shower. Also, I love my house.

05:11
Julia
I love my house. Well, you know, they have weights at 5 below. They're really cute, too. They're like pink. I mean, I know you don't like. I mean, pink isn't, like, your color, but, like, what if we.

05:22
Mil
I like pink.

05:22
Julia
Okay. Well, I didn't know. But, yeah, they have weights at five below that are affordable. I just, like, I was. I was like, oh, I want some. But then I was, like, having to carry a bag of weights out of five below. I don't think I could carry all the weights that I would need.

05:37
Mil
You need to work out so that you could go to five below, buy weights.

05:40
Julia
Right. And also, they don't have weights, like, because I. You can't, like, weight lift with the weights they have at five below.

05:46
Mil
Like, what do you mean? Like, you can lift them.

05:48
Julia
Yeah, but they're not heavy enough. Like, they only go up to, like, �12.

05:53
Mil
You don't need them to be super heavy. It's all about that repetition.

05:56
Julia
Well, but when I. I lift at the gym, I, like, go heavier every. Okay.

06:02
Mil
Ms. Crunch Bull, bro.

06:05
Julia
I can pick you up by your hair and swing you around.

06:07
Mil
Okay.

06:08
Julia
Okay. Sumo juice.

06:11
Mil
Okay.

06:14
Julia
Anyway, James. Okay, J. J. We were trying to pick a movie out last night, and then Cleo's like, wait, let's watch Wendy Williams clips. So then we had to watch Wendy Williams clips on my laptop.

06:25
Mil
You know the one where she's trying not to cry?

06:26
Julia
She's like, nope, nope, nope. And then do you know that one where it's like, paparazzi have found her and she's like, I would say to respect my privacy, but I never did that. No, I don't know that one. I love her. D. Eric Sparrow, who is, like, the.

06:43
Mil
Town councilman during the Flint water crisis in Michigan. And he was, like, big in the environmental movement, but he would always go up on, like, trial or whatever. And all the clips of him talking are so funny. That's the one that she's like, but.

06:57
Julia
You're over here playing on your phone. He's like, I'm not playing on my phone. I'm taking care of business. It's so.

07:05
Mil
But his mic is turned all the way up.

07:07
Julia
I'm taking care of business. I like that. It's so funny. That is silly. You got. You just got a lot of compilations.

07:18
Mil
I Think his name is Eric Sparrow. Wait, I'm gonna freak out me when.

07:21
Julia
I make it up. No. We also watched Sinners last night.

07:25
Mil
We did, Y'. All. I love that movie.

07:28
Julia
I think I would have enjoyed it more if it was at the movie theater, but I. Because my back was hurting as were sitting on the ground. But I. It was interesting. I like the, like. I like the concept. Like that scene that you showed me before we watched it, like, of him playing the guitar and, like, it, like. That was cool. I like that. And the vampires are kind of sexy, but I.

07:47
Mil
Right. No, they're not supposed to be sexy because the vampires are all of the.

07:50
Julia
White people, and white people aren't sexy.

07:54
Mil
Well, like, they're. They were supposed to be nasty. Eric Mays. Eric Maze.

08:00
Julia
Right, right. What did you say it was? Pharaoh.

08:02
Mil
Yeah. Eric Mays. He passed away, unfortunately. Oh.

08:06
Julia
Probably because the water. Yeah, yeah.

08:11
Mil
But, yeah, you should watch Sinners and honestly, just watch. Go to YouTube and watch Sinners Take me in your arms.

08:20
Julia
Clip Cleo. Clio. The Cleo. You just search up that clip.

08:26
Mil
It's real good. It is.

08:28
Julia
Really.

08:28
Mil
I've actually watched it, like, 20 times the past couple days, and I sat my roommates down and we watched it the other night, too. It's just real good. It's just, like. Gives you the chilies.

08:36
Julia
The chilies.

08:38
Mil
Yeah, it gives you the chilies.

08:39
Julia
It gives you the chilies.

08:40
Mil
It just gives you the willies.

08:41
Julia
The chili, Willy. Yeah, Chili. Let me.

08:46
Mil
You know what Rin said the other day, what were talking about? All right. I'm about to break the Bechdel test.

08:51
Julia
Shout out, Rin.

08:52
Mil
Shout out, Rin.

08:54
Julia
Okay. Well, let me just say the only time I've ever met Rin is when she was painted blue and dressed as a Smurf. So I don't really. Iconic. Yeah, I don't really know, like, what she's like in real life iconic, but.

09:04
Mil
She calls me Millie Willy and Julie.

09:07
Julia
Millie Willie.

09:08
Mil
And were talking about.

09:10
Julia
Tombow.

09:11
Mil
Talking about some explicit activities, and she was like, yeah, he wanted that Milly Willy.

09:17
Julia
And I was like, yeah, he wanted that Milly Willie. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So pretty much, we're not allowed to. We're not allowed to say things like that.

09:30
Mil
Oh, I didn't. I didn't.

09:31
Julia
We're not allowed to say things. Things like that. Actually, no, it's fine.

09:34
Mil
Okay.

09:34
Julia
I can just bleep stuff out that we're not supposed to say.

09:36
Mil
Bleep out Mill Willy.

09:37
Julia
Yeah. Stinky Winky. That's you. Let me see. Tell us about your chickens.

09:51
Mil
Well, currently, my chickens are Rosie, Bishop, penguin, arugula, and that's it, right?

10:00
Julia
Yeah.

10:01
Mil
Yeah. We did have booty.

10:03
Julia
She. She's left us.

10:04
Mil
Passed on. But the chickens I've been thinking about recently, I had three fat golden ones. One was putter, one was Dan the Man, and one was tidy. TTSI.

10:14
Julia
Tts.

10:14
Mil
And they were so fat, and you could just hold an armful of yellow fluff chicken. And they smelled like sunshine. And their cushions. The cushions are the part of their back that's, like, really fluff. And they. They're so cute.

10:31
Julia
They smell good. And Lore drop. We used to show chickens back in the day.

10:35
Mil
We did.

10:36
Julia
And they were. They. You showed Dan, didn't you?

10:38
Mil
I showed Dan the Man, and I showed Addie.

10:40
Julia
Yeah.

10:40
Mil
And I did win first place with Dan. Dan and Addie.

10:44
Julia
I got third place, but, you know, whatever. We rised, and I also sold my chickens, but Cleo made us buy back their chickens.

10:51
Mil
You're supposed to sell your chickens at the end of the show. But I had a, like, attached. I had a connection with them, so. But, like, I actually. I actually did have a connection, so.

11:00
Julia
We bought them back. Didn't. Did grandmother buy them?

11:02
Mil
Grandmother did buy them.

11:03
Julia
That. And did you get to keep the money you made?

11:05
Mil
I. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Grandmother bought my chickens from me for me.

11:12
Julia
And then gave you the money?

11:13
Mil
Ultimately, I made money and got chickens and got my chicks.

11:16
Julia
That's a win.

11:17
Mil
And won first place.

11:19
Julia
Wow. I sold my chickens and then cried lamb, and the guy was like, you can come visit them anytime you want. I was like, okay. Did you ever visit them? No. That's freaking funny, Blue. Well, he was also one of grandmother's friends. I can't remember what his name was.

11:34
Mil
The auctioneer guy. Mr. Harris?

11:36
Julia
Yes.

11:37
Mil
Yeah, girl.

11:39
Julia
Is he still with us?

11:40
Mil
I think he is.

11:41
Julia
Okay. You never know these days. Well, I really don't.

11:43
Mil
You really don't? My chickens were nice.

11:47
Julia
And tell them about teeth.

11:50
Mil
TC she was kind of a skinnier.

11:52
Julia
One, but she's, like, compact.

11:53
Mil
Oh, she smelled so good, like sunshine and like dust. And she had a hat that, like, flopped over.

12:01
Julia
And she would come, if you, like,.

12:04
Mil
Crouch down, she would run up in the yard and come in and come and hug you and lay her neck right here and go, like, settle in.

12:13
Julia
Oh, my God.

12:14
Mil
And she would. When went to go put them up, because at night, whenever it gets dark, they just put themselves to bed, and then we Would walk out there to go close the little front door to their house, and she would always run out, even though she was already in bed. She would run out and come greet us halfway across the yard, and we go.

12:37
Julia
Because she loved us. And she would. If you would, like, sit crisscross applesauce in the grass in the yard, she would come and sit, like, on your. Like, fully, like, sit down, and her butt would, like, droop over your leg, and she would just fall asleep on there. It was really.

12:51
Mil
People just don't get the hype about chickens unless you have chickens. And I remember, like, in elementary school, people would, like, laugh at me.

12:59
Julia
Wow, that is tough.

13:00
Mil
I did. Well, one time I came in crying because Nerf got beheaded that very morning, and everyone laughed at me because they were like, you're crying because your chicken died. Like, y' all do not.

13:09
Julia
You didn't understand. Nerf was a nice guy. That was a big mom.

13:12
Mil
Nerf was a big. A big, black Australope, and she was big and fat. And I would put her in the wagon with my dolls and wheel her around the yard. And I. I made her a sweater one time, and she molted. Then I insulated it with her own feathers. It's, like, tailored to herself. And I would make her hats. I would, like, paint her toenail.

13:33
Julia
She was nasty.

13:34
Mil
Yeah, she was a good chicken.

13:36
Julia
Oh, also a Titi. We had a chicken harness that.

13:39
Mil
Oh, yes.

13:39
Julia
Put Titi in and walked her down to the end of the street, and she played in the sand and stuff, because we live at the beach, so she played it.

13:44
Mil
She was a good chicken. To walk away.

13:46
Julia
She was nasty.

13:47
Mil
So that's how I feel about my chicken.

13:49
Julia
I think Titi was a lesbian.

13:50
Mil
Oh, well, Titi actually Tidy, was the transgender one. Do you remember?

13:54
Julia
I do. I mean, that's why I was like. I think I thought, she's either trans or she's a butch lesbian.

13:58
Mil
Wow. Well, so what happens is. I don't know if y' all knew this, but if there's no rooster and a chicken flock and of all lady chickens, sometimes the dominant chicken will, like, assume characteristics of a rooster. So tts just, like, one day started mounting the other ladies and started growing. Yes. Like a rooster. And her hat kind of grew a little bit bigger and, like, kind of.

14:23
Julia
A bit of a deeper Bach. Bark, bark. Bok. You ladies all right? You ladies all right? That was too thick. Yeah,.

14:33
Mil
Yeah. But if I'm cool, I don't know.

14:35
Julia
Me too. We're very queer. Friendly space. They knew that she felt safe or she Zay. Zay. Zay felt safe. Zer felt safe. Zeetzi. That's crazy, y'. All. Oh, my fuck.

15:03
Mil
Ask me another question.

15:06
Julia
Tell me about. I was recently talking to somebody about Camp Jubilee. Oh, Lord. And about how they carried a glass coffin around with a skeleton in it.

15:17
Mil
Yeah.

15:18
Julia
So we.

15:20
Mil
Back in the glory days, you and I used to work at a summer camp in the absolute middle of nowhere in North Carolina.

15:28
Julia
No, there was no service of the phone. You couldn't, like, you. Once you got there, no contact with the outside world.

15:34
Mil
And it was called. Well, should I name drop?

15:38
Julia
Well, I already said what it was.

15:39
Mil
All right, well, it was this ministry. It was for adults with disabilities.

15:44
Julia
Yeah, that's like, slay.

15:45
Mil
Yeah, slay. And the counselors are, like, paired one one with a camper and just kind of like their buddy for the week. But it was a Christian camp and a very evangelical conservative crowd.

15:58
Julia
Very, very, like. Like, the most.

16:01
Mil
Like, they're like, before the campers arrived, there was, like, a Bible study every summer where we all went into the, like, I don't know, amphitheater thing.

16:12
Julia
Yeah.

16:12
Mil
And. But only the men were allowed to speak, and only the men were allowed to pray, and the girls just had to kind of, like, sit there, and they were like, well, this is what the Bible, you know, talks about. And so that was the thing that happened.

16:27
Julia
That was later, because we boycotted that, though.

16:29
Mil
We did. Well, I went to it my first year because I was more inclined at that time to indulge in such things. And. And then the. The last week that we did, theme was the ten Commandments and the ten, like, the. The plagues that Egypt went through, death. And the. The two people who were in charge of, like, the Bible stories and, like, the skits, which, you know, every, like, church camp has to have and stuff, which is usually, like, a source of, like, joy and fun.

17:03
Julia
It's, like, a way for, like, campers to consume Bible stories in a way that doesn't gonna, like, overwhelm and, like, engage with them.

17:10
Mil
I know. Well, you know, classic, like, summer VBS stuff.

17:14
Julia
Right.

17:15
Mil
But this. These people were an older couple. They're probably, like, 2,000 years old. They sure came in a minivan which had a Donald Trump, like, sticker on the side. You know, the ones that look like they're, like, in your car, like, riding with you, and they. The lady was in a wheelchair, and she should not have been. She should not have been up there dressed.

17:37
Julia
Not ada. Accessible, like.

17:39
Mil
And you Would think it would be, wouldn't you?

17:46
Julia
But so they had a ten commandments themed week. And they, like.

17:50
Mil
All they talk about is blood and how much blood that took over the land of Egypt. And there was. It was. It was like fear mongering. I think they even, like, talked about the rapture a little bit. And then at the end of the week, they had, like, you know how King David's bones and like, etc. Etc. They had a skeleton in a glass coffin. And they're like, can I have six.

18:09
Julia
Volunteers from the crowd? And six sweet people with disabilities got up and carried. They had to carry this coffin around and around.

18:19
Mil
And were like, singing. Oh, and it was so crazy.

18:24
Julia
It was actually. That really happened. Blood, Blood, blood. And guys, let me tell you, my camper, actually, I dreamed about her the other night. I. Okay, James, We. There was, like, at the end of the week, there was, like, a campfire where you got to, like, stand up and share your, like, favorite memories at camp, whatever. But, like, so we had to bring our campers. And my camper, first of all, throughout the week was telling people that I screamed at her and dragged her out of bed every morning either. Christ.

19:00
Mil
Because.

19:00
Julia
Did that happen, June? No, because I would. I tapped her on. On the shoulder. I said, oh, it's time to wake up. And then she would get up and all would be well, and then we would go to breakfast. She'd be like, yeah, she dragged me out of bed. And I was like, that is actually insane. Picture. This is my first time doing this camp. How old were you? Like, 15. 15. And I was paired with, like, Spawn of. Of what? Of King David's bones? Yeah. Yes. Anyway, so we're at this campfire and she was throwing a fit because she, like, didn't want to go. Whatever. And I was like, well, we're going because, like, I'm not going to be canceled because you don't want to go. Like, we're going.

19:39
Julia
And then we get there, and then the entire time she is sobbing and whining and, like, throwing a fit because the counselor that she has a crush on was going off. He had to go back to work. He was like, in the reserves for the Air Force or something. And she's like, he's going to die. And I was like, girl, crazy time girl. And, like, she, like, would follow him around all week, and I had to, like, chase her around and, like, make sure, like, she. And he.

20:06
Mil
He definitely fed into it.

20:07
Julia
He fed into it.

20:08
Mil
There was some issues.

20:09
Julia
Actually pissed me off. Like, PMO. PMO. PMO me. He is like. He was. He was 18 at the time. At the time. And she was 14 and a camper and an individual disability. So what we're not going to do, actually, is feed into that crush because it made her life worse and made my life worse. Anyway, so she was sobbing in the campfire. There's, like, a ring of empty seats around us. Nobody would sit near us. And she's like, I don't want to go back to the cabin. I was like, we are going to sit here until the end.

20:38
Mil
You as tyrannical. You were a mean count.

20:42
Julia
No, because. No, no, because we will do what we signed up to do. We are not just going to give up because. I don't know. I just. You guys don't understand. You don't understand. And then she made me get up on stage and perform with her at the talent show. No warning.

20:56
Mil
That was really. What was that?

20:57
Julia
Cupid Shuffle. Oh, yeah. So I know y'. All. Y' all are jealous. You weren't there.

21:02
Mil
I have a video that. Buried in the archives.

21:04
Julia
Oh, my God. But then, of course, she ran out crying after that, so that was really cool, because Bo. I mean. Sorry, the unnamed counselor. That was evil. He. He was, like, feeding into her crush, and then he, like, you know, didn't marry her or whatever, so. Wow. I like blood. I think about that all the time. Do you know how he would, like, push her up the ramp and, like, sprint pushing the wheelchair. That's crazy.

21:27
Mil
I wonder if they're still around. They must be.

21:30
Julia
I mean, they must be. I don't think that they will ever.

21:32
Mil
Well, you know. Did I tell you Satchel went to see.

21:36
Julia
Oh, you didn't tell me about how. Yeah, how that. How was. How was social?

21:42
Mil
I don't know if Cecil was there, T. But, yeah, my man got invited to a dinner at a. Like, my man. My man got invited to, like, a dinner at this, like, homestead thing. Like a. This kind of, like, weird culty. He got, like, cold emailed, and they were like, we've read your articles. I've heard of your name. We'd like to invite you to this dinner. And the dinner just happened to be on the homestead where the director of.

22:07
Julia
This camp lives, because obviously, nationally, we know every cult leader in rural North Carolina. Obviously.

22:13
Mil
Well, yes. And so I was, like, looking at this place, and I was like, oh, my God. Well, first I saw Eddie's face. Do you remember Eddie?

22:19
Julia
I do.

22:20
Mil
He.

22:20
Julia
He was, like, in the staff section. I was like, Eddie. Eddie. And then I scrolled down and I saw Cecil, and I was like, oh. And then I saw Josh, and I was like, oh, my God. Love Josh.

22:29
Mil
Yeah. That's really. Yeah.

22:33
Julia
Wait, wait. I remember. I. Josh made my day every morning.

22:37
Mil
Because he, like, Julia from Wilmington, North Carolina. Yes.

22:42
Julia
He remembered every. Like, he could have met you for 0.2 seconds, and he will remember you for the rest of his life. He was the one that knew all the Brady Bunch episodes. Right. You could, like, say any number or whatever, and he could tell you what episode it was. He was a cool guy, and he was so sweet. Yeah. I liked him. There were, like, some. Some gyms.

22:57
Mil
No, there were awesome people there. Yes.

22:59
Julia
And then they were like, the campers are all pretty much great. And the problem was the counselors.

23:05
Mil
Oh. And then some of the counselors are really good, too, but it's just, like, rural North Carolina, like, small town.

23:11
Julia
I mean, they were all from there.

23:12
Mil
Yeah.

23:13
Julia
Like, pretty much everyone was.

23:14
Mil
They all, like, think that they're doing right and good. Like.

23:18
Julia
Yeah.

23:18
Mil
That's all anyone wants to do, right?

23:20
Julia
Well, yeah. They think they're saving everyone, which is great.

23:22
Mil
Yeah.

23:23
Julia
You know, because that's, like, what. What is good to do. But I don't think that was the way to go.

23:28
Mil
No. And I just hope and pray that someday they can break out of their evangelical sphere and see the world.

23:34
Julia
Well, they all be marrying each other. Yeah, they do. I don't think that's gonna happen for anyone, but.

23:39
Mil
Wow.

23:39
Julia
Blood. It's gonna be my new vocal stim for the next week.

23:43
Mil
Blood.

23:44
Julia
Blood. Wow.

23:48
Mil
That was.

23:49
Julia
That was. I was so tired at the end of that week. Delusional. Okay, Cleo has to go. Oh, my gosh. Rudy, pick. Rudy, pick. Whoa. That is a fantastic. Look at his ears. Can you guys see it? Hold on. He's so nice, Ste. Oh, my God. Thick. Look how its foot is propping it up. I like how its ears are, like. Like, kind of curly. Oh, my golly. No. He did not. Woo. Okay, anyway, y'all. Cleo, say bye.

24:31
Mil
Bye. Bye, y'all.

24:31
Julia
Bye, y'all. Thanks for joining us.