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In a world that feels increasingly chaotic, uncertain, and hard to make sense of, Realms of Curiosity with Sarah and Wendy offers a different kind of conversation.
Drawing from shamanic practice, psychology, and decades of firsthand experience with non-ordinary reality, Sarah and Wendy explore the deeper forces shaping our inner and outer worlds—from intuition and consciousness to deception, transformation, and the shifting nature of truth itself.
They don’t claim to have answers. Instead, they follow curiosity into the unknown—questioning, exploring, and inviting you to do the same.
Because in times like these, curiosity might be one of the most powerful tools we have.
Welcome to Realms of Curiosity. Listen in as two friends explore the mysteries of the universe through the lens of their otherworldly experiences.
Wendy:Hi Sarah.
Sarah:Hi Wendy.
Sarah:Today we're talking about, or we're curious about telepathy.
Wendy:I knew you were going to say that.
Sarah:Yeah. Are are you telepathic?
Sarah:I mean, that's interesting. "I knew you were gonna say that." Because one of the things that that one of the counters to there being actual telepathy is that, really, people are very skilled at predicting what other people are gonna say. Like, they have a they have a very like, you just said, I knew you were gonna say that, and I know why you said that, but people say that all the time. Right?
Sarah:It's it's like we see the patterns very, very skillfully, I think.
Wendy:Gotcha. So you think we're using logic or just or just understanding, oh, this person is paying attention to what I'm saying Yeah. And therefore, I understand where they're gonna go next. Exactly. Will tell me that they're likely gonna go here.
Sarah:Exactly. Exactly. I mean, it's it's also like when you're when you're working therapeutically with somebody, you you feel when they stop breathing, but it's also a pattern. You you know that certain subjects are gonna make them stop breathing because they're, like, PTSD kind of situation or, you know, trauma or whatever the case may be.
Wendy:Sure. Yeah.
Sarah:And I I'm very sensitive to when people stop stop breathing. But it but it also could just be a pattern, you know, that I have I think I'm really good at patterns. I think I detect when something is off in a in a situation. You know, part of being neurodivergent, I suppose, is
Wendy:Very much so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a similar kind of intense pattern recognition, but it shows up differently, I think, than yours does.
Wendy:Sounds like yours is more like, you're having the clairsentience, like you're feeling your client's physicality.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think clairsentience is a big thing for me. It's one of my
Wendy:Your superpowers.
Sarah:One of my superpowers. Yes. Exactly. So what's yours? What's what's your pattern recognition that you have?
Wendy:I don't even know how to put it into words. I think I'm so used like, I am constantly paying attention to the environment, and it may be more observational now that I'm thinking about it, where I'm aware of where everything is, how everything sounds, how everything smells, like very sensory. And if something is out of sorts, even the most minute thing
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:I will be aware of that, and then, it's kind of an alarm bell of sorts?
Sarah:Exactly. That Yeah. It's funny. I was thinking about that exact thing. I have I have that too.
Sarah:And if somebody's lying, alarm bells go off, like, a thousand percent. You know? Because I recognize something in the pattern is wrong. You know? Like, I can just I know it.
Sarah:And then for me, that's danger. If you're lying, it's dangerous. And so that's that's a big one too. Yeah. Interesting that you have that.
Wendy:Yeah. I do it with vehicles. I was washing dishes two days ago, and I heard this deep rumbling sound coming from somewhere in the house as I was running the hot water. Uh-huh. And it was super subtle.
Wendy:And I went to the basement, and I listened. And sure enough, I could hear we have an on demand hot water heater, and it was running louder than usual. But I could hear it all the way from the other side of the house over to where I was running the water. Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:And then, of course, that's like, uh-oh. It's not happy. What is the hot water heater trying to tell us?
Sarah:Yeah. Usually, something bad that's gonna involve
Wendy:And no hot water. And no
Sarah:hot water.
Wendy:So fucking spoiled. Yeah.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:Yeah. That is one of the great luxuries is having running hot water, really, if you think about it. Yeah. If the world goes to shit, which would never happen, the the loss of hot water would be to me like, ugh. That would be terrible.
Sarah:Well, you just have to move to Colorado and and get some hot springs.
Wendy:Hot springs. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Because that's pretty
Wendy:With a bunch of other people.
Sarah:A few people might think of that, but, yeah.
Wendy:Anyway, got off topic. Sorry. But, yeah, that's that's the kind of nature of my my, my pattern recognition. I think I mean, when I'm working with people, it's a little different, I guess. I have the visuals with information that maybe will drop into my head.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:And Yeah. And then Yeah. And it's maybe in conflict with what they're saying.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And then it's about presenting that information in a way that isn't unsettling or disruptive To them. Yeah. So, yeah, more as a curiosity.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Pretending, like
Sarah:Yeah. I was just thinking. Me? What about that?
Sarah:You know? The directed the direction
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:We take these things. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
Sarah:I I get that too. The I had because I'm very everything in my mind is a picture. So when they're telling, it's like I'm watching a movie. And if there's something wrong with the movie, I I get, like, a intuition on that same deal, and I'll ask them. So what about that part of the thing?
Sarah:You know?
Wendy:That very helpful, isn't it?
Sarah:Yeah. It's very helpful. Very helpful. Yeah. It's, you know, it's so weird to me that some people don't experience visuals, you know, that, like, their brain doesn't like, for me, everything is a picture that's that's going on in my mind.
Sarah:And some people have zero pictures going on in their mind.
Wendy:Right. What do you think that's about? Well, let me ask you this. Do you think everyone is capable of having pictures or clairvoyance?
Sarah:Apparently not. Apparently, some people can't. It's it's called a aphantasia. A you you
Wendy:So there if there's actual disordered.
Sarah:Yeah. Well, there's a step. There's aphantasia, and then there's hyperphantasia. And I think I'm hyperphantasia.
Wendy:It's just
Sarah:all pictures. And then some people like, some people can't journey.
Wendy:Have you found that? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But but I'm wondering if okay. If if what you're talking about and this is just, again, a curiosity.
Wendy:If if we're talking about two different things maybe, if one is, and I never thought about this before, so I'm just kind of playing with this idea right now. If if there is, in my nonscientific brain, if there's a a mechanism within our brains that allows us to create internal pictures versus true clairvoyance where the pictures are not a byproduct of your brain. You're just perceiving something that's outside of your brain. The brain has nothing to do with it. So psychic abilities versus
Sarah:Psychic ability. Yeah.
Wendy:Versus your brain's ability to conjure pictures, imaginations, you know, visualizations.
Sarah:Yeah. I think they're tied together for sure, but I don't know. When I when I was thinking about this subject earlier today, I was remembering I had a EEG. A friend of mine was doing experimentation with an EEG machine that was hooked up to you while you were journeying, and she
Wendy:had six
Sarah:different people and did six different readings to see if they were all the same, if they were different, when what's your baseline? Where does your brain go when you're journeying? And it was a pretty interesting revelation. Everybody's brain waves changed, of course, because you're going from beta to alpha to theta. You're you're moving in these different brain wave patterns.
Sarah:Right?
Wendy:Makes sense. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. So everybody's changes when they're in that more meditative state of consciousness. However, my brain did something really unusual, which I've been intrigued about ever since. This was many, many, many years ago. And, it's that my amplitude, my electrical so this machine registers your electricity in your in your brain.
Sarah:And my amplitude, my my width was way bigger than most people's.
Wendy:Okay.
Sarah:When I was journeying, like, theirs was sort of here, and mine was huge. Double that.
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Almost double that. And and she was like, oh my god. You have such amplitude. And I was like, I I don't know.
Wendy:Why thank you.
Sarah:Why thank you. It's like the snowboarders. You know? They have amplitude in their in their jumping. Anyway, I found that to be very intriguing.
Sarah:And, you know, if one had endless time and endless money, it would be interesting to experiment with that. You know? When when visualizing certain things like, what happened to your brain waves when you detected the the sound variable in the in the pattern of sound that's normally in No.
Wendy:Great question. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. I would love to know. It would be it would be so interesting to see people who are neurodivergent or hypersensitive or, you know, any of those things. It would be great to see what happens in your in your brain. You know?
Sarah:Anyway
Wendy:Did this woman explain what the greater amplitude was, I guess, demonstrating for you?
Sarah:Yeah. She we all speculated because there was no answer to the question.
Wendy:Okay.
Sarah:It it's not like there had been previous studies on people journeying and you know, I think since then, there have been other studies, and I don't know what the results are with that. But everybody seemed to regard it as a good thing as opposed to, like, uh-oh.
Wendy:Well, it's cool to be unique.
Sarah:Well, it might have meant I had a brain tumor. We didn't really know what given that it was, like, twenty years ago and I'm still alive, I'm assuming it doesn't mean I have a brain tumor.
Wendy:No. Your brain is just operate because it's it's measuring brain waves, like, as you said, electrical activity. Right? And and I don't know which wave was showing that amplitude, of the the five waves that they're measuring now, but that would be an important piece of information too because Right. My understanding, right, is at any given time, one brainwave is dominant in your Right.
Wendy:But all of them are running simultaneously. There's just one that's dominant depending on where you're focusing Right. Your attention.
Sarah:And your your intention and your and the the sound of the drum, which alters your level of consciousness. Right. I mean, there's so many so many important pieces to it. You know? Like, it would be amazing to do a longer study.
Sarah:Maybe they've been done since then.
Wendy:There have been some done. I know Hank was part of a study where they measured his brain waves, and they were, I guess, surprised at how quickly he was. He got into gamma, I think, as a that was his dominant brainwave very quickly. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah:Oh, that's super interesting.
Wendy:If I'm remembering correctly, I think
Sarah:Well, I think a a kind of more visual slash intuitive psychic guy?
Wendy:I think definitely visual. I mean yeah. I mean, his visionary experiences were epic. He wrote those books about them. They were epic.
Wendy:Yeah. But the details of them, how he was perceiving, I never asked him about that. It would have been a great conversation to have, but I never had the chance to ask him, like, how is it that he's perceiving?
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. I think it would have been a if I had that testing done now, I would have way more questions about the meaning of it all. You know? Like, I I don't think I really even understood at the time what what I don't I don't know if I even understand now.
Sarah:What is amplitude? You know? Is it we all regarded it as good. But yeah.
Wendy:It's I'll take your word for it. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. But then again, yeah, which brainwave was the one that was showing that was demonstrating that? Curious about that. Yeah.
Sarah:I really wanna know.
Wendy:Telepathy, though, what's your definition of it?
Sarah:I don't think it's, like, one thing. You know? I think I think oh, okay. My my feeling about it is that, and that's not very scientific, I know. But my feeling is that consciousness exists outside of of our brain.
Sarah:I think it's more connected to our heart soul area. And I think by being able to connect and so consciousness in my perception is everything. It's just like all the stuff exists in that big realm of consciousness. And that we, some people more than others, some people amazingly, can can connect with that thing. You know?
Sarah:Does it hold various timelines? I think so. Does it does it hold, like, all the perspectives? I think so. And so when we're able to you know, telepathy is and I don't think it's just one thing.
Sarah:Like like that uncle of mine who who was a spiritualist in in England, he did he did transchanneling. Hypothetically, he was connecting with beings that had passed. That's what the spiritualists were about.
Wendy:Yeah. Like mediumship. Yeah.
Sarah:Mediumship. Transmediumship, connecting to past beings. So I think if you asked him, he would he would feel that his capacity to leave his consciousness or not his consciousness, to leave his brain and to move into this extra dimensional consciousness and connect with beings who have passed, who, from his perspective, exist in a in a realm in the like, we're here, and then we go back to the big soup. You know? I think
Wendy:Okay.
Sarah:That's what he would say. So that's I think that's one kind of telepathic.
Wendy:How was he communicating with them? How was he perceiving those communications? Was it telepathic, or was it visual, or or do you see that all under the same umbrella?
Sarah:No. I don't see it under the same umbrella, but I think it has a lot of different prongs, you know, on the on the thing. Like, because he was in a trance and did not remember what he said after I mean, what what kind of brain waves was he in? You know? Well, that would strike me as more in the gamma realm.
Wendy:Right. Is that telepathy, though? I don't know. I don't know. Is transmediumship telepathy?
Sarah:I think so. No. I think of it all in one one big box.
Wendy:Well, I because I don't know. I mean
Sarah:What do you think, Dylan?
Wendy:I I don't know. I think maybe I'm being too simplistic, but I always I always assumed it was thought transference. You have a a a chunk of information that is now in your mind that came from
Sarah:Another mind.
Wendy:Another being. Another another yeah. I guess, mind is a very human word.
Sarah:But Another being.
Wendy:Yeah. So it it's like you didn't have the information and bink, there it is. You now have this information. It is not generated from your brain parts, and it's all in one chunk. It's just an understanding, like, have
Sarah:Download. Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. Like, reading someone's mind, reading someone's thoughts. I think that's the traditional way of looking at telepathy, right, is that I can read your thoughts, which is kind of where we started the conversation joking around. Yeah. I knew I knew you were gonna say that.
Wendy:Yeah. Exactly. The classic example currently is the telepathy tapes
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:With the, nonverbal autistic children and adults Mhmm. Who are demonstrating, it seems to me, like, valid examples of telepathy where they are reading minds. And because they most of them have apraxia, so they don't have control of their bodies. And so they found these alternative ways to get by and communicate. Yeah.
Sarah:Okay. What about so when we journey, we connect with all kinds of beings. We connect with spirit guides and other dimensional beings from the Pleiades. We we connect with, like, all kinds of stuff. Right?
Wendy:Exactly. Yeah.
Sarah:We from get them.
Wendy:Right. So maybe there's two different types. There's, like, human to human telepathy. That's a possibility, and then human to nonhuman telepathy.
Sarah:I think so. Yeah. I think it's all and even, you know, like what my uncle did, communicating with beings that used to be beings.
Wendy:But he was not aware. That's the part that I that makes me wonder, would that officially be telepathy then?
Sarah:Officially. I don't think this is officially.
Wendy:Well, I don't know. Probably depends on who you talk to. Yeah. But Most would he have to be an active participant, have an awareness of, like, oh, I have now received this information from this other being. I am going to share this information rather than being completely checked out unaware.
Wendy:I guess the awareness piece is the question mark I have. Maybe I don't know.
Sarah:I don't know. I mean
Wendy:Could be. Who's the expert on, telepathy? Once you use telepathy right now, connect with him and ask his ass what he would say about that, your your uncle.
Sarah:You want me to connect with him more?
Wendy:Right now. No pressure. Just right now.
Sarah:I I communicate with him a lot, actually, so it's not that far away. But okay. Hold on. I I've his what I felt him say, but I would not sign a document on it yet because it's a little a little spontaneous, is that he said it's all telepathy. You know what?
Sarah:I have to report back on this. I feel like I feel like I should
Wendy:Well, I didn't know you were actually gonna try it. I was just
Sarah:Oh, did she just tell me to?
Wendy:I'll be right back. If she does it, that's cool. Alright. But I didn't wanna I didn't want you to feel like you're on the spot because you know, you're not my monkey.
Sarah:No. I'm not Yeah.
Wendy:You're not my monkey.
Sarah:Well, I thought
Sarah:why not? Why not just Yeah. By you know, because he's he's one of my he's one of my middle world guides. I I do he's he's actually he's kind of like you know, when you're doing middle world work and you feel like you may have connected with something that's a little less than excellent. He's my cleanup crew.
Wendy:Oh, yeah? Yeah.
Sarah:There's a phoenix and him, and they clean me up of anything that might be middle world.
Wendy:It's very handy. Yeah.
Sarah:It's very handy. Yeah. And and he's actually I've introduced him to other clients of mine, and he appears in there.
Wendy:He works for them too. Yeah.
Sarah:Works for them too.
Wendy:Yeah. He's got a whole cleaning company in the spirit world.
Sarah:He comes with his bucket. Yeah. Exactly. A little band with a
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:Side. Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:With the phoenix on the side. Yeah. That's the Yeah.
Sarah:That's nice. It's really nice. Funnily enough, I can I can imagine him laughing his ass off about this conversation? Anyway, I don't know. I think of it as one big soup.
Sarah:You know? And Gotcha. Various
Wendy:Well, I can be a little I can put things in categories, so that's a fault I have. And so I might be just trying to do that with telepathy as well. Just trying to pigeonhole it into, like, thought transference specifically, and that the person receiving the thought probably should be aware of it. But in the case of transmediumship, perhaps not.
Sarah:Perhaps not. I've had times in my life where so my capacity to read minds or know things from people, there was a period of time when it was just kind of too much. I would just, like, pass somebody on the street, and I would get this, like, download of information about them. And it felt very invasive. They weren't asking for it.
Sarah:I wasn't asking for it.
Wendy:Right. Yeah.
Sarah:Like, bang. So I I did some work on it myself, and I realized that I think of it now as dimmer switches. You know? And when I want the dimmer switches low, I I can bring them low. When I'm working, they're high and, you know, like, if I'm in Times Square, for example.
Wendy:Very low.
Sarah:Like, shut them off. You know?
Sarah:There's so much energy there. There's so much stuff going on there, and I I can't deal with it. I become you know? And the thing is too, like, telepathically, sensitivity is a is a big part of it, and we're all sensitive in different ways. You know?
Sarah:Like, the like, the smell of someone and the information we get about about that. And I don't know. I don't
Wendy:Yeah. On such subtle levels a lot of time too because a lot of it like pheromones, we're not really consciously aware of that, but Yeah. They're having an an effect on our chemistry.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:But, yeah, I think you're right. That's a great point. We're processing a shit ton of information all the time.
Sarah:A shit ton.
Wendy:All And the time. And the tricky part for us modern western humans is that, I would say most of our interior worlds are dominated by our minds, our thoughts. Yeah. And it makes for a very noisy interior world, which makes it really hard to pick up all of this other information that could actually make life a lot easier. The shortcuts of those psychic perceptions.
Wendy:Right? Totally. Totally. Instead, our brains wanna just get in the middle of it all and organize everything, and then wanna understand it and come up with a plan, and then come up with a different plan because the first plan sucked. And that's because so and so gave me bad information, And I need to understand why that person did that, so then you go off on that tangent.
Wendy:Yeah. And then you get pissed at them, then you have a whole dialogue in your head about what you really wanted to say to them. You get my point.
Sarah:I do.
Wendy:That's the shit we do.
Sarah:That's the shit we do. And, you know, like, think about communicating with plants. Like, now they're doing all kinds of information about about plant communication. I've been communicating with plants since I started shamanically working. They they communicate.
Sarah:You can hear them. They like, they communicate. Plants, trees, the earth, like, all of it communicates. I mean, that's telepathy.
Wendy:Yeah? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Sarah:Category, but they're not people.
Wendy:But they're beings.
Sarah:They're beings. Yeah. Okay. So they're beings.
Wendy:Yeah. So you have to be in an open state to be able to receive that information.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:And I I think that's the key to all of this stuff. Right? In talking about getting back to brain waves. Right? Any of us can perceive.
Wendy:It just depends on where you point your focus. Yep. Most of us are pointing our focus in the physical world, so we're just perceiving Yeah. The material reality, alleged material reality. I mean, who knows if it's real or not.
Wendy:Right? But it feels like it is. So we're focused on that
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And missing a lot of like, if you focus so that's alpha.
Sarah:Isn't it the other I thought beta was the the regular information processing.
Wendy:Yes. You're right. I'm sorry. I flipped that. Beta is Yeah.
Wendy:Beta is the everyday aware awake. That's right. Sorry about that. Yeah.
Sarah:And then alpha then theta.
Wendy:Alpha is the light meditative state.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And then theta is, yeah, the creative visionary state
Sarah:Yep.
Wendy:If you're awake and dreaming when you're asleep. Exactly. Then Delta's Delta's very deep, relaxed, restorative sleep.
Sarah:Yeah. Well, I mean right. We're we're most of what we talk about is different angles on on things, and, you know, you and I have given a lot of thought to a lot of speculative explorers. You know?
Wendy:And bullshit artists. Yes. Exactly.
Sarah:We are not bullshit artists.
Sarah:Yeah. But I I don't think we bullshit. I I I don't. I think we like I said, we're navigators. You know?
Sarah:We we try and figure out stuff by putting the pieces together. And, like, there's only you know, how like like, if we go back to my vision of consciousness as this big, endless everything everywhere all at once place or not place, but realm, It's not I mean, it's not bullshit. It's just like, what's this? You know? What what what is that?
Sarah:You know? The first time you meet another dimensional being from another level of reality in your in your journey, it's it's pretty shocking. I mean, for me, when I started journeying, it never occurred to me that that would happen. And then maybe a year or two years into it, another dimensional being came.
Sarah:And Yeah.
Sarah:And, like, from another reality. You know? And I was like, woah. And they have proven to be the most intelligent beings that I communicate with.
Wendy:Right. And that's your direct experience, which
Sarah:Yes.
Wendy:It's such a personal intimate thing. Like, I did not meet your interdimensional beings, but you did, and you have a relationship with them. Right? And I've had my experiences, which
Sarah:With other dimensional beings?
Wendy:Well, I'm assuming they're in other dimensions, but I don't know what to I mean, I don't
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:They're they're helpers. I I don't know. I just refer to them as helpers Helpers. Yeah. Allies or whatever.
Wendy:Invisible friends mostly.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:And not imaginary friends, invisible friends.
Sarah:Might be who might be actually the same, but that's another story.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. So how we interpret those experiences is an intimate thing for us to figure out.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And no one can take it away from you. That's the cool thing. But when you start talking about it out loud to other people like we're doing right now, we're sharing our experiences with each other, it takes on a different dimension because now it's, like, exposing this nonphysical stuff that can't be proven.
Sarah:You know, the way the way I have found it to be quite proven is that I've been told things where I thought, what is that? And then I research after, and there's actually scientific evidence of the thing that was told to me. Right. And I was not, like, miss science in in school. I was virtually asleep during most of science.
Sarah:And which I Where
Wendy:did I get that information?
Sarah:Where did that information come from?
Wendy:I think you shared one of those stories in a previous one of our conversations.
Sarah:Oh, did I? I don't remember.
Wendy:Yeah. You did. And you got information in one of these journey experiences and looked it up, and it was like, sure enough. That is a thing.
Sarah:Yeah. Oh, like,
Wendy:I think
Sarah:it was it the story of dark matter? Because that was pretty mind blowing for me, the question.
Wendy:It may have been. Yeah. Let's forgive my postmenopausal brain, and it's and it's crappy memory.
Sarah:Yeah. Mine too. But, you know, dark matter was certainly something where that happened. And and now there's so much information about that. And at the time, like, I literally had never heard of that.
Wendy:Right. But that's what helps, I think, each individual feel vindicated in a way when they have an experience is when you have it validated in physical reality. Like, holy shit. Yeah. No.
Wendy:I've I've certainly had some experiences like that too that were like, no shit. Yeah. That's real? Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah:It's very interesting.
Wendy:Yeah.
Sarah:It's so rich. You know? It's so rich, and you talk about, like, our brains being caught in this, like, horrifically detailed realm of Insanity. Insanity. In and fucking sanity for sure.
Sarah:I guess it it's functional, but, boy, oh, boy. I mean, look what the world is doing now. Anyway, let's not go down that path, Sarah. I forgot about that. But
Wendy:it points out I don't know if you feel this way. What it points out to me is that what we humans are accessing is probably just a minute tip of
Sarah:So minute.
Wendy:Of the reality iceberg. It's like Yeah. There's I can't even begin to fathom. And I've had some really cool experiences over the years, but I can't begin to fathom how expansive and extraordinary the possibilities are beyond our physical experience here. I mean, it's just yeah.
Wendy:The whole orchestration of all of it is mind baffling. I don't think my wee brain could even begin to comprehend or it will wanna categorize, and it wouldn't be able to.
Sarah:Exactly. Exactly.
Wendy:What the the truth is about how reality actually works.
Sarah:And, you know, like, my perception of consciousness and you know, is everything everywhere all at once. It's it's, how does how does our mind comprehend that? We we can't. We can't even like we like like you said, teeny, teeny, teeny. Mhmm.
Sarah:You know?
Wendy:Yeah. And so we have these brain waves that depending on where you put your focus helps you focus on one aspect of reality.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:And it's such a small aspect. Exactly. So, like, to access the psychic realm, you have to be able to get into alpha to be able to access your interior world and then be open to perceiving.
Sarah:Yes. Exactly.
Wendy:But then your brain wants to kick in and start analyzing it and making assumptions about it and understanding it. And maybe that's the design is that we're not supposed to be here to be that kind of open, or maybe the goal is to try to be more open to get past ourselves. Maybe just it's just the modern human that's gotten off the path of living that way Well a less mental way.
Sarah:Yeah. I think we we I think we have been more telepathic, more open in in I don't know when. But Well,
Wendy:pre language, for sure. We had to have been. Exactly.
Sarah:Pre language must have been such a trip because you had to be able to, like, communicate. Like, let's go get the woolly mammoth. You know? Like Mhmm. Or whatever was going on then.
Sarah:And I've met other beings in my journeys who were who were not verbal, who were just just completely telepathic. I mean, they're all telepathic in the sense that you're not having a conversation with them. You're have but you're
Wendy:But their mouths are not moving. Yeah.
Sarah:Mouths are not moving, but you're having a conversation in your in your mind. So that's actually telepathic.
Wendy:Yeah. Exactly. That that's what I would, by definition, call telepathy. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:But then the human to human telepathy is probably a possibility all the time. It's just a skill that you have to learn, or some people have it naturally. Mhmm. I don't know.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, I think people who are often who come from traumatic childhoods, who become hypervigilant people, often slide a little more easily into the realms of telepathy because they've they've been they've been constantly like, their awareness field has been has been bigger.
Wendy:Well, yeah, I guess for survival reasons, it's like yeah. I gotta really know what's going on.
Sarah:Yeah. Because it's dangerous.
Wendy:Exactly. Yeah. No. I've seen that in some clients as well.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, for myself, absolutely true. I was just hypervigilant, always watching. Where is this going? What's the danger?
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah:And and there is a certain kind of telepathic connections that start to form in that. You know? Like, knowing without without knowing, without you know?
Wendy:Very handy, I imagine. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Very handy.
Wendy:How cool that you just sort of, like, instinctively went in that direction But people intending to.
Sarah:You know, I work with a lot of writers and and and actors, etcetera. And actors get such a bad rap, but they're really highly sensitive people. And I find often those peep writers, actors, etcetera, that that are in Hollywood are people that have had traumatic childhoods for one reason or another and who have become hypervigilant. And it it makes perfect sense. You know?
Sarah:If you're gonna be writing
Wendy:It kinda does. Yeah.
Sarah:How do you know all this stuff about people? You know? It's you've you've been you've been clocking it, you know, as you've as you've gone along in your your childhood.
Wendy:Are you talking about the deep kind of empathy too? Like, they have to be able to okay. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Deep empathy, deep deep understanding, deep like, a lot of the stuff. You know? Actors, it's it's so terrible because often these people are are highly, highly sensitive, highly intuitive, and then they're flung into this world of just really bad.
Wendy:You You're talking about the industry itself?
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a a little dip into that when I lived in LA, and I could see what you're talking about. It's ugly.
Sarah:It's really ugly. And I don't even mean, like, ugly, like Harvey Weinstein ugly. I mean, ugly, like, every day ugly.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. No. There is the Harvey Weinstein ugliness, the big secret that nobody ever talked about, but then there's the just the way the industry works. Yeah.
Sarah:You're you're just doing auditions, and then you don't even get a call to say you didn't get the job. You're just like, well, I guess I didn't get the job.
Wendy:Yeah. Left hanging.
Sarah:Left hanging, the rejection you feel, all the stuff. You know? And so, anyway, I mean, I don't mean to get carried away with what happens in Los Angeles, but I think I think highly sensitive people, people who are very skilled at knowing, reading, seeing, like, these these are I think it I think it cracks the the daily brain that you're talking about. You know? It gets it gets broken a little bit, but then it but then it's a good thing.
Sarah:You know? You know?
Wendy:Right? Yeah. Well, it makes them really good at their work. Right? I mean, makes them capable of of stepping into a completely different character.
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So I don't know that we've I think we've asked so many questions that we haven't really answered.
Wendy:Well, can we answer these questions? I don't know. I honestly don't I don't feel like I I haven't really thought about telepathy a lot. So I don't know if I had anything really constructive to contribute to our conversation other than just questions and thoughts I had or my ideas of what I thought it was.
Sarah:But Mhmm.
Wendy:But it's fun to contemplate.
Sarah:Yeah. It's really fun to contemplate. And, you know, we didn't even talk about the spectrum, the autism spectrum, people that those tapes are made about. And, I mean, that's so interesting.
Wendy:It's very telling, and I think it's it's amazing that it there's attention being pointed in this direction.
Sarah:Yeah. Super interesting. And not all autistic kids have that capability either. It's not like
Wendy:It depends on who you talk to. I just listened to an episode this morning, the most recent one, where the nonverbal autistic adult man was asked that question, do all nonverbal autistic children have that capacity? And he said, yes. They can all be telepathic.
Sarah:But isn't that true for everybody, really?
Wendy:Yeah. But I think I I I thought that's what you were just saying that I don't think everyone can. Yeah. Unless I misunderstood you. Yeah.
Sarah:No. I I I probably said contradictory things. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I I worked with autistic kids for a couple of years in my first jobs right out of college.
Wendy:No kidding.
Sarah:No. And these were it was in an institution, a residential treatment program for these kids. And, wow. You know, I think about them and what would it have been if these these kinds of ideas Exactly. Yeah.
Sarah:Happened because these kids were, like
Wendy:Just lost. So lost. They slipped through giant cracks, crevices.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And all of that just yeah. Because my understanding of apraxia is that their brains are functioning just fine. They just don't connect with their bodies. And they cannot operate their mouths to speak or they can't operate their limbs or depending on how it manifests in each person. I'm not an expert, but it's yeah.
Wendy:And the more they're able to communicate what they're actually experiencing, the more heartbreaking it is to know that so many for how many decades
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Well, have gone, like, just as prisoners, just lived as prisoners in their own bodies. They were in their own in their own world.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. I wish I had been more aware of all of these things when I worked with them.
Wendy:Of course. Yeah. Of course.
Sarah:I experimented. The at the time, the big thing was diet, you know, that they have food. Give them better food. No nuts. No this.
Sarah:No that. Didn't do any good whatsoever as far as I could tell.
Wendy:Yeah. I I don't Well, clearly, I mean, progress wasn't made.
Sarah:Progress was not made.
Wendy:Until they were able to find a way to communicate, and then even then there was controversy around it. Yeah. But now they're they're getting over that, it sounds like.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so our time is has closed
Wendy:on Yeah. But We'll just keep bullshitting.
Sarah:We will. And we'll see where we end up. Yeah. I feel like this topic is maybe not finished. I don't know.
Wendy:I don't know. Well, I mean, it'll probably be interwoven into other conversations. I mean because we're doing that all the time. We're talking about all these different things that we've kind of touched on, and we come back and forth and which makes it fun. I think it makes it more fun.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:I don't think we have to accomplish anything specific in each conversation other than exploring. Thank god. Yeah.
Sarah:No pressure. No pressure. Alright, honey.
Wendy:I will see you next time.
Sarah:Next time. Bye.