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Join feminist coaches Taina Brown and Becky Mollenkamp for casual (and often deep) conversations about business, current events, politics, pop culture, and more. We’re not perfect activists or allies! These are our real-time, messy feminist perspectives on the world around us.
This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions like:
• Why is feminism important today?
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• What does liberation mean?
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Becky Mollenkamp (00:01.027)
Hi. How are you doing this morning?
Taina Brown she/hers (00:01.858)
Hi.
Your flowers look good.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:06.563)
Thank you. I don't know. think they'll show up because the full screen view, but yes, our garden is getting a little low on supplies at the moment. I think we're in that transitioning kind of period from the early spring stuff to a little later spring stuff. But I managed to pull something together. I was like, I'm going to be on a call with Taina. And last week we talked about floral arranging and I had promised I would do it, which I did. And I sent you a photo. I did, but all those had died. So was like, you know what? I'm going to go do another because I do love going to the garden and making a bouquet. And it does make me happy. So.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:16.64)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:26.677)
You did! Yeah, you sent me a photo.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:36.461)
And I wanted to like, I like the accountability.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:39.053)
Oh, yeah, no, they look good. They look good. We have some rose bushes, but they haven't given us any flowers yet this season. They're small.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:47.715)
Yeah. My mom's garden is gorgeous. She has beautiful roses and all kinds of stuff blooming. I'm like, I should drive over there and steal some of hers.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:55.413)
You should, you definitely should. You definitely should. But there's, there is.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:58.703)
Yeah, here's the thing about flowers. I get precious about it. Like, I don't want to take them from the yard because then they won't be in the yard and they won't look pretty. But they're going to die soon anyway. And so why wouldn't I bring them in and enjoy them? So I'm trying to like move past that.
Taina Brown she/hers (01:07.723)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the pruning also helps them produce more. Yeah. So you're all set. There's a tree right outside my window. I'm facing our driveway. It's a magnolia tree. And some of the magnolias have started popping off. So I have that view.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:15.727)
Okay, good. Well, there we go.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:24.815)
nice. Yeah, you're north of me because our magnolias are basically done. Yeah, we're like, I can't remember, you know, how they have the chart. I think we're like zone three or four. You're probably like higher.
Taina Brown she/hers (01:32.332)
really?
Taina Brown she/hers (01:40.095)
wow, yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah. I don't remember what zone I'm in, but yeah, we're definitely further north.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:44.633)
You're probably five, six or something, five. Anyway, we didn't, the reason we're rambling is because we didn't discuss before we got on here what we're gonna talk about. So you get to hear the part we normally do before we get on, which is what do you wanna talk about today?
Taina Brown she/hers (01:57.641)
Yeah, all the chit chat.
Becky Mollenkamp (02:00.271)
This chit chat, is there anything particularly interesting going on and not interesting, that's a lot of pressure, but what's going on in your mind these days or what have you been thinking about?
Taina Brown she/hers (02:08.653)
Yeah, I went back to therapy yesterday after a break.
Becky Mollenkamp (02:12.547)
Whoa, that's right. said it was a, it was a heavy session.
Taina Brown she/hers (02:16.605)
It was my first session. The first few are usually just like consultations. It's a new therapist, But it was still quite heavy just because I've been feeling really raw lately. And if you're listening and you haven't been to therapy ever, the first session with a new therapist, usually ask you what brings you to therapy now? Like why now?
Becky Mollenkamp (02:21.583)
always as a new therapist.
Taina Brown she/hers (02:46.112)
Right? And so then you have to go into what that reasoning is. And, you know, for me, it was I was reading a fanfic as everyone who's listening now knows that that's I'm in my fanfic era. What did you say? Obsessively, yes, definitely. It's my new hyper fixation, my new way to disassociate. But but yeah, no, and one of one of the fanfics like just
Becky Mollenkamp (02:59.631)
Obsessively shall we say? Obsessively maybe?
Taina Brown she/hers (03:15.228)
one of the characters had a chronic illness and so it just like really really triggered me and I haven't I haven't quite been able to like move on and so was like it's this is probably a good time to because I've been thinking about revisiting therapy because I was taking a break because I had a therapist last fall but it just wasn't a good fit so was like I'm just gonna take a break for a few months and so but after
Becky Mollenkamp (03:19.951)
Mmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (03:40.591)
Well, for people who don't know you have a chronic illness and that is so that's why it's jiggering. Yeah. Can I also, yeah. Can I quickly point out to you? I just want to say, because some people, hear this from people, they go to therapy, it doesn't work and they don't go back. And I just want to say, one, if somebody's not working for you, you should say, this isn't working for me. And, or if you're not empowered to do that, you can ghost them. But I recommend actually advocating for yourself to say, this isn't working for me. Because first of all, that therapist may be able to adjust to make it work for you. So you could
Taina Brown she/hers (03:43.648)
I have a chronic illness. Yeah, that's why it was triggering, yes.
Taina Brown she/hers (03:58.561)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (04:05.098)
Yeah.
Right.
Becky Mollenkamp (04:08.607)
the chance, there could be a reason, right? And they don't know until they know more about you. But also, I just always want people to know if a therapist doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean all therapists won't and therapy won't. It might just be that relationship is not the right relationship. So keep looking. So that's...
Taina Brown she/hers (04:17.769)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like dating. It's like dating, right? You keep looking if you're into dating, you keep looking until you find someone that's a good fit. That's the compatibility is there because different therapists use different methods. They have different levels of experience, you know? And so the therapists that I was seeing last year, they were great. They were queer. They weren't a person of color. So that's always a little like.
that's some negotiating that I have to do, because it's like, how much can you understand in terms of what I'm going to be sharing during sessions? But no, they were great. were still under supervision. They were like a newer therapist. And because of the level of trauma that I knew I was bringing to the table, quote unquote, it just...
Becky Mollenkamp (04:50.958)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (05:18.091)
it didn't feel like a really good fit. And so I was like, okay, I'm just, I'm going to take a break and then I'm going to revisit this in a few months. And then after getting triggered about the chronic illness stuff, I was like, okay, this is probably my cue that it's time to, to get back in there. Cause I literally, so yesterday was my first appointment with this new therapist. And then yesterday afternoon, like I was,
thinking about the fanfic and I just like broke down in the kitchen while I was trying to make lunch. This was before the therapy appointment.
Becky Mollenkamp (05:53.849)
Right. And it's not the fanfic. It's what it's bringing up for you in your personal life, right? And that's something for everyone to watch for when there's something that feels like you have like an outsized response to what you intellectually understand it maybe ought to be based on the thing. That's often a good sign that there's something happening that's stirring up some sort of trauma or something in a good place to have a conversation.
Taina Brown she/hers (05:59.443)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:07.284)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:17.818)
Yes, yeah, definitely. And so I was like, this is perfect because I have therapy in a couple hours. So it'll be really fresh and raw for sure. But it went well. This new therapist is she's a Black woman. Yeah, she has experience with chronic illness and trauma and things like that. And yeah, so I feel really good afterwards.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:34.601)
that's great.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:41.07)
Awesome.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:44.591)
Yeah, because as you know, there are not enough therapists of color and specifically black women who are therapists. It's a massive problem because as you said, like a therapist in theory should be able to help anyone in the same way a coach in theory should be able to help anyone. And we have to bring in the reality of lived experience and just being able to have that basic empathy and understanding of another person's experience. That's just impossible when you don't share a particular identity and you're never going to find somebody who has all of your identities and understands
Taina Brown she/hers (06:50.823)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:58.396)
Yeah
Taina Brown she/hers (07:03.581)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (07:09.469)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (07:13.04)
Right, right.
Becky Mollenkamp (07:13.551)
of your experience, but there are some pretty big things that can be challenging when a person can't understand that lived experience around something as big as your racial identity or, you know, in your case, the situation specifically dealing with issues around chronic illness or disability that that might be an area where you want to have somebody. So anyway, I wish there were more therapists of color. It's a problem in this world. And, you know, hopefully beginning to change that. So I'm glad you found somebody.
Taina Brown she/hers (07:20.541)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (07:27.645)
Yeah
Taina Brown she/hers (07:34.525)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (07:38.442)
Yeah, yeah. And I was glad that I found her and was able to get an appointment pretty quickly. So which is unusual. Yeah. Yeah. Because usually they're, you like, if you are a person of color, a black person and you're looking for someone who has that lived experience. One, like you said, it's hard to find someone. Two, in general with therapy, it's hard to find someone sometimes who takes insurance.
Becky Mollenkamp (07:47.053)
Yeah, that's the other thing. It can be hard to get in. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:08.172)
Yep, very hard now. Well, and because they make so much less when they do it through insurance. So that is really becoming a bigger challenge. Another reason our healthcare system is totally fucked up.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:08.285)
Just because insurance is a hassle, yeah, for practitioners. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. And so it's hard to get the care that you need. And then usually when you do find someone who hits all those things, there's usually a long wait to get an appointment. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:29.165)
It can be, I mean, it can be months and months, wait, especially also for child care, for child therapists, which are really hard to find now too. My bestie is a child therapist. And like, there is no shortage, you know, because kids now that are, you know, five, six, like they're seven, these are kids that have, they're both of their awareness is in this post COVID era and in a Trump era and all like,
Taina Brown she/hers (08:35.301)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:42.202)
Of people who need, of kids, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:56.779)
It is a highly traumatic time to be a child. And so yeah, it's really hard to find people, but yeah. Well, isn't that true? We're just living through collective trauma daily.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:58.682)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we're all traumatized for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But and I think also like what you were saying, know, just in addition to the lived experience, therapists, specialize in different things too. So even within something like child therapy, like they might specialize even like more niche ground than that play therapy, art therapy, you know, like they have, again, there are different methods, right?
Becky Mollenkamp (09:26.351)
play therapy.
Taina Brown she/hers (09:32.242)
that a therapist can employ and so finding the right fit can be a little bit tricky. I felt lucky the first time I went to therapy, it was like, was that, Hazel?
Becky Mollenkamp (09:43.669)
This is how, Hazel, I'm gonna keep talking, cause I can hear you, but I gotta grab this thing.
Taina Brown she/hers (09:48.123)
Okay. Yeah, the first time I tried therapy, which was a little over 10 years ago, the first time I sat down with the therapist, it was like the perfect match. And so, and it was such a good experience and just really helped me just like get through a lot of stuff. And so the bar was set really high for me from there. And so since then, whenever I'm like,
going back to therapy because I will take breaks intermittently. But whenever I go back to therapy, I'm like, and not that it has to be exactly the same as that first one, but the level of support has to be the same as that first one. so like with my first therapist, I was in college at the time and I remember coming in one day and I was just so exhausted from like school and work and like emotional stuff. And she was like, you know what, why don't you just take a nap for 20 minutes and then we'll come back and we'll talk.
And I'm like, that's the kind of support that like your therapist should be giving you, right? That kind of flexibility to like meet your need right there in the moment and not just like follow this like script.
Becky Mollenkamp (10:44.483)
Lastly...
Becky Mollenkamp (10:56.143)
That's so rare. You know, this is a bit of a turn, but not entirely. It's related to what you said. And I maybe have shared this story before, but it just makes me think of it because I went to a session. I had signed up. It was a few years back for the session. I think it's called the Rooted Village or the Global Rooted Village, something like that. If I can find the organization, I'll put it in the show notes, but I don't know if I can. But there was a session with Resma Minicum, who is the author of My Grandmother's Hands. I really respect his work.
Taina Brown she/hers (10:59.783)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (11:25.655)
I was really excited to hear him speak because I've never seen him live. And this was like a live session in a Zoom room where you are going to be able to ask questions and sort of be there with him. And I was super excited about it. It was a free event, which was amazing. And there were hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of people there. And he showed up and was trying really hard to like answer questions and stuff. And the facilitator started to notice. And I think everybody could tell that he just seemed to be struggling. He seemed either.
Taina Brown she/hers (11:32.743)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (11:51.439)
tired or something and she asked and he said he was just dealing with a really bad headache and was, you know, feeling a little tired, but he's like, it's okay, let's just keep going. And after it didn't take long for this amazing facility facilitator, a black woman said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop us here because Resma, I can tell that you're tired and that you need rest. And I think the thing that I can do here is to say, go take that rest, right? Like that.
Taina Brown she/hers (11:58.888)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (12:15.515)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (12:16.411)
we need to model what we're talking about because he's there talking about all the things that we talk about in my grandmother's hands, which is like the somatic experience and how to treat your body through tension and stress and specifically trauma around race. And so she said, I want you to go sleep, like leave. And he was like feeling bad, but he eventually, like it didn't take long for him to say, you know what? Thank you. Thank you. That is what I need.
Taina Brown she/hers (12:24.271)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (12:33.563)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (12:39.32)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (12:40.643)
And I am going to do that and thank you. And so he left after just like maybe, maybe five, 10 minutes tops of his like hour thing. And I could sense, like I knew that there was this piece of like, right? I came for this and he's gone. But that was so quickly, that little voice got so replaced in me with, wow, this is what it looks like to model what we're talking about. Because I know I probably wouldn't have done that.
Taina Brown she/hers (12:54.012)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:03.162)
Bye.
Becky Mollenkamp (13:08.259)
Right? I don't know that I hope maybe now I would, but certainly a few years ago when I was there, I don't think I had that understanding capacity, ability to say, you're my premier person. You're the reason all these people are in this room. We're all excited about it. I'm going to tell you to leave the room. I don't think I could have done that. And I was blown away. And I just thought that is what it looks like to model, to do the work in action at whatever price. Right. And then it turned into this most amazing session with everyone there.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:08.379)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:22.632)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:26.426)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:30.98)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (13:38.278)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (13:38.307)
talking about what we had just witnessed and how we experienced it, what it meant for us, how we want to repeat that and emulate that in other spaces. And then it turned into all this beautiful session of rest, where we were then all encouraged to rest and we were doing some rest activities. It was when I was introduced to Joy Olu-Dukin, who's an amazing singer because someone suggested her song. said, let's play a couple of songs. It was just the most beautiful experience. And I just think that like,
Taina Brown she/hers (13:50.767)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (14:00.666)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:04.665)
getting to witness that, whether it's in therapy or at a session, like when people understand the importance of rest, value that, or whatever the thing is, but where they model it in action, even if it goes against what we're trained we should, quote unquote, do. Because I think a lot of therapists would not have said rest.
Taina Brown she/hers (14:14.895)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (14:19.099)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they would have been like, no, let's optimize our hour, right? Because you only have an hour. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's part of the messiness of life, like paying attention to the messiness of life. And so often,
Becky Mollenkamp (14:26.165)
talk about the why are we feeling so tired right and let's let's figure out why you're feeling so tired instead of just saying let's just honor that you're tired and let you rest
Taina Brown she/hers (14:47.29)
We wanted to, like in theory we're like, yeah, life is messy, blah, blah, But then we stick to our scripts, our patterns, the way that we think things should be, right? And we're like, no, we don't wanna veer too far from what the expectation was or what we want it to look like.
Becky Mollenkamp (14:55.203)
Yep. Finish the move. Yep.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:04.526)
Well, especially again, when the cost feels too big. Like in the case of therapy, potentially you could have said, you know, she, like it could have also just been, I'm not even gonna have this session that I'm gonna sleep, right? And that could have potentially cost her money. And she may have still made that choice. In this case, it was the reputation potential risk of having these people in this room for the specific thing in them and then not delivering, right? Like there's a risk, a cost. And that's when, like that integrity word that I talk to my son all the time about, like,
Taina Brown she/hers (15:08.185)
Mm-hmm
Taina Brown she/hers (15:17.263)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (15:21.892)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (15:26.745)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (15:33.773)
It's not just doing it when it's easy. It's doing it when there's a potential cost, when there's a risk. That's when you're showing integrity, right? When you do it, even when you know it might cost you something. And that's important. I just recorded an episode of assigned reading yesterday with Kim Romaine, who you know, and we talked about Barbara J. Love's developing a deliberatory consciousness, which I don't know if you've read, but I'm gonna bet maybe, no, you haven't. Okay, great. Well, or not great, but I hope you read it, because it's amazing. So really short, it's like five pages.
Taina Brown she/hers (15:38.157)
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (15:56.239)
Uh-uh.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:03.095)
And her is talking about, it's like actionable ideas. It's what does it look like to develop this liberatory mindset, let's call it, or consciousness. And there's these four steps. First is awareness. So being aware of what's going on, being aware of the, not just the moment. Like it's not just noticing that Resma's tired, but it's understanding or being aware of all the context around that. He's a black man. He's giving, he's teaching. He's in a room with probably a lot of white people having to do this labor. Like there's all of this.
Taina Brown she/hers (16:10.891)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (16:20.826)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (16:30.552)
Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (16:32.216)
context involved in that, right? And once you have the awareness of what's happening, then it goes into analysis, analyzing what are the choices I could make here, right? So then that facilitator is probably thinking I could continue and what would that look like? And is that the thing that's the most helpful here? Is that the liberatory action I could take? I could say, let's let him go. And then what are the costs associated with that? Am I ready? Can I do that? analyzing what are the actions that I could take here and which of those are the ones that are actually
Taina Brown she/hers (16:41.24)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (16:44.878)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (16:53.411)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:01.633)
most aligned with my values around liberation. And then it's action, it's taking the action, right? So that's that piece of, you may know, I might've thought I should probably let them go to sleep, right? But then the cost feels so real that I don't take that action. So then it's, I actually take the action that is the most liberated sort of action here? And then the last piece, the last one is accountability and allyship, which also looks like, how do we do this not always alone? How do we do this together? And she brought that into by saying,
Taina Brown she/hers (17:03.443)
Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:12.974)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:27.779)
Hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:30.401)
Now we as a community, as a group in this space, we're going to talk about what just happened. We're going to talk about how, why that happened and how we can bring that back into ourselves and then spread this amazing action outward, right? So like, it was such an example of those four steps of this process and that we have to like, that shift in thinking is what makes us, because you can bring those four steps into anything, right? At any moment. It's as simple as like the person, the cashier.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:35.656)
Yeah
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:43.992)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:47.876)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (17:54.529)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (17:58.415)
kind of being rude to somebody in front of you who's a person of color, right? So like, just even noticing it, understanding the power dynamics. It's a white cashier, it's a black customer, right? Like, what are the power, what are the dynamics here at play? What is my role inside of that? Like, here I am now, I also share this power identity, understanding all of that, analyzing what could I do here? What would be the most, is the right thing for me to step in? Is it for me to ignore? Is it for me to talk to the cashier or to talk to the customer? Like, analyzing all those choices.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:01.774)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:08.12)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:25.369)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:27.363)
then deciding, okay, now that I know what is the most liberated action, can I take it? Am I ready? Let me do that thing and actually follow through, have the integrity to do it, even if there's a potential cost, even if I might be embarrassed, even if they might yell at me, they may tell me they won't help me, whatever, right? And then also that last piece around that accountability and allyship of like, then it's like, how do I go back and bring this to my community to talk about this more?
Taina Brown she/hers (18:32.653)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:36.93)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:50.584)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (18:51.459)
to bring others in to maybe also afterwards ask other people, did I do the right thing? Right. Bringing in support. So anyway, I just think it's such a great reminder of like, if you are thinking about these things and then like, okay, but how do I actually do it? Just remember those four steps and you can use that anytime.
Taina Brown she/hers (18:56.299)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (19:05.203)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. So awareness, analysis, action, and accountability. Okay. Or allyship, yeah. Okay.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:12.943)
or allyship, but yeah, she uses both accountability and allyship because that last piece is just really around like community, not just doing it alone because she also talks about like part of that is also then once you know better, educating, helping others because helping them get to awareness, it's almost like the circle, even it's not like linear, it's like the circle because now when you've got to that place, then you can have some responsibility in helping to educate others so that they begin to develop that awareness, right? So it goes kind of around.
Taina Brown she/hers (19:19.756)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (19:27.181)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (19:40.484)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that because it's easy to remember. And I think a lot of times we are looking for formulas, right? We're looking for like a thing that will tell us if we do one, two, and three, then we will get X, right? But that method, it doesn't guarantee a specific outcome. It's just a structure, right? That you can adapt.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:42.563)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (19:48.335)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (20:10.335)
as needed, right? So in one circumstance, the only thing to do might be to be aware and analyze, there might not be an action to take, right? Because of safety, right, right, because of safety, or just because of, you know, whatever reason, right? But in another circumstance, there might be action to take, right? And so and if there's no action, yeah, and if there's no action to take, you can still do the accountability and allyship piece, right? Like it's
Becky Mollenkamp (20:18.735)
or it may not be your action. There you go.
Becky Mollenkamp (20:25.743)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
That's why I like it too.
Becky Mollenkamp (20:36.717)
Yes, right.
Taina Brown she/hers (20:38.135)
Like you said, it's not linear, it's a circular thing. These are like entry points into being like a more equitable intersection or leading a more equitable and intersectional kind of life or having that intersectional lens as you go about your day.
Becky Mollenkamp (20:52.761)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt appropriate with what we're talking about here because it's sort of that, like, how do you make those difficult choices? But also I like the part of you, right? Sometimes the action, even after you've analyzed the actions, the action you may take may not be the liberated one for whatever reason, right? And then it is maybe then the accountability pieces later doing some accountability within yourself about what happened, what kept you from taking that action.
Taina Brown she/hers (20:59.552)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (21:11.349)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (21:19.105)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (21:20.567)
What might you be able to change in the future so that comes up again, you would feel more resourced or safe or ready to make that action. So yeah, anyway, I really love it.
Taina Brown she/hers (21:22.018)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Talking about action, the one thing that is coming up for me right now is even not taking an action is still a choice. That's still an action. And I think sometimes we feel like we don't have a choice in things. But if you get through the awareness and the analysis and then you choose not to do something, that's still an action that you're taking.
And you're also exercising your ability to choose for yourself. And that's empowering. And that's a really powerful place to be, as opposed to coming from a place where you're overwhelmed and you don't know what to do. And then you just don't do anything because you feel stuck. I know you probably talked about this in the Assigned Reading Podcast. So I don't want to get into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:15.183)
Well, it's not coming out till July 1st, that episode. So people can wait a while for that one, but I'm giving you a sneak peek. But I agree. Like, I think that's something I always talk about with folks too, because there's people, there's such like this fear of rejection. This is a little different maybe, but the same idea of where people are afraid to ask for something or to do something out of this fear of rejection or failure or whatever. And it's important, I think, to reframe that to remember the not doing the thing is also a choice that has a consequence, right? In some ways, you're still delivering the same result.
Taina Brown she/hers (22:32.642)
Hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (22:41.089)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (22:43.855)
by choosing not to take the risk, you're also not, you're choosing not to have the potential reward, right? And you're ending up in a similar place, but sometimes even a place that feels worse because you didn't even try, right? So like, I think when we can start to analyze our, what we're doing in anything, this isn't just around liberation either. It's just like in any part of our life, when I choose to say, I think I'm just gonna watch this other show because I don't feel like.
Taina Brown she/hers (22:49.11)
Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (22:54.049)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:09.241)
you know, going outside or whatever that and it may feel like you don't have a choice, but that still is a choice. That's a bad example, but you know what I'm saying? Like, not doing something is still a choice. And I just, and it still has a consequence. And it doesn't mean that you don't do it, but I think it's the awareness around the fact that I am still making a choice here. And I do have power in any moment.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:15.394)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:21.536)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:31.168)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (23:33.775)
whether the choice I'm making feels like it's an empowered choice or not, it's still, have this power to make a different decision or the decision I'm making also has consequences. Like every no is also a yes and every yes is also a no. When you yes to one thing, you're saying no to other potential things, right? And when you say no to something, you may be saying yes to all this, something else that could come your way.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:38.657)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:43.862)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:50.827)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (23:54.965)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who did not think this conversation was gonna go this way, but this is good.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:01.775)
No, I didn't either, because I was just going to say, let's talk about stuff that we love. But you know what? I want to talk about something else, though, that you mentioned, because you said your hyper fixation with your fanfic. And I find it interesting, because just today in Slack, in a message we were talking about, I had said I spent two hours working on a new game thing on my website. You go to beckymollincamp.com slash game. It's can you tell the difference between corporate speak and sort of just real talk or liberated talk?
Taina Brown she/hers (24:07.329)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (24:21.598)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:29.517)
And it's this fun little game where you pull the little things into the different bins and you get a score at the end. And I did it with AI, right? With ChatGPT. We walked through it, helped me develop all the HTML code and it took two hours, which was funny because you said two hours. And I was like, is that not a long time or is it a long time? Because in my mind, it wasn't that long for what it created. I'm blown away by what I can do. I wouldn't...
Taina Brown she/hers (24:46.4)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (24:51.489)
Literally never been able to do it or if I had to learn HTML and learn everything it would take me years and it took me two hours, right? So I thought it was nothing and you were like, my god, I can't focus on anything for that long But you can read fanfic for 12 hours in a sitting or stay up all night watching queer love or whatever that show was like So I just think that's interesting as you're saying like I can't do anything for two hours I think that's my current fixation my hyper obsession because I was gonna tell you
Taina Brown she/hers (24:56.201)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (25:05.565)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah!
Becky Mollenkamp (25:17.901)
It's my ADHD, because I can get really hyper-focused on something when I'm like into it. And that's how I'm dealing these days with like doing this, like experimenting with AI tools and web design and stuff. Like I get so into it that I don't want to get up and go to the bathroom. don't like, I don't want to do anything until it's finished, because I'm so excited about it. So I feel like that's, you acted like, I felt like you were kind of like, I can't believe that. But then I'm like, mirror? Because.
Taina Brown she/hers (25:20.594)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (25:25.94)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (25:32.884)
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (25:43.631)
I mean, it'd be the same thing, but I mean, you're doing it in a different way, but your fanfic is like hours at a time.
Taina Brown she/hers (25:47.2)
Yeah, yeah, it's it is ours. Like I like on Saturday I just I spent the whole day reading it. I mean, I things in between, but I think for for things like that, like it's an escape for me. Again, it's dissociating. Like I'm just so I'm hardcore dissociating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I and the other thing is I didn't say this in the slide, but like I when you.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:03.983)
That's how I am with AI though. Like when I'm doing that, I am so in that the world has just disappeared.
Taina Brown she/hers (26:16.063)
when I first saw your message about spending two hours, because Kim had also posted something about corporate speak and it was like a list of like corporate lingo translated into like Gen Z language. And so then when I saw your post, I thought it was also a list. I didn't realize it was like a whole website, a whole page on your website. Yeah. So I was like, my God, like, and I know.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:37.561)
No, it's like a whole interactive game thing with, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (26:44.127)
how you get sometimes with like a new idea. You're just like a dog with a bone. Like you just like cannot let go of it. And so I was like, oh my gosh, she literally, you literally got off the call where you couldn't stop yawning because you were so tired. And then you said you spent two hours in that thing. And I'm like, why? Like you were exhausted.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:48.303)
I'm a dog with a bone.
Becky Mollenkamp (26:58.047)
You're right and I- Yes! You're right!
Becky Mollenkamp (27:06.211)
and not yawning at all. Like, because as soon as I was doing that, I was, yeah, that is interesting because I was saying on the call, I'm not bored, I'm just tired. And I wasn't bored, but there's something that just switched, because you're right, I get, it's, guess it's the ADHD, even though I'm not diagnosed, I really think I have that because I do get, I get hyper fixated on something that's really interesting to me, and it's usually around like,
Taina Brown she/hers (27:14.717)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (27:22.333)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:30.677)
Learning or creativity, those are the kinds of things that will pull me in like that. Like something like that that combines both of those where I'm like learning this new tool and I'm getting to be super creative and like that stuff, man, I forget everything. I'm not tired. I like literally there are times where I could do that and I would probably I could stay up for 12 hours, 24 hours. Like I would be able to do it nonstop. And then it's like you're in a daze. This is probably how you are with your fanfic, because then as soon as you like come out of it, once you finally stop, all of sudden you're like
Taina Brown she/hers (27:32.759)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (27:39.72)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (27:51.24)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (27:56.425)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (27:59.961)
my God, I'm so tired. But like while you're doing it, we didn't notice that you're tired or hungry or whatever the thing is.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:01.287)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a slow drip of like dopamine. Like it's just constantly hitting. I don't know, maybe I have ADHD too. I've never been.
Becky Mollenkamp (28:14.073)
I'm sorry to think everyone does and I'm not saying that in a flip kind of way. I think it is that sort of that I think I have a feeling that in in the same way we have discovered autism as a spectrum. I think within a few years, it's going to be like there is no such thing as whatever the opposite of neurodivergent is neuro typical. There is no neuro typical. We're all on this like neuro spectrum and our brains
Taina Brown she/hers (28:17.138)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:25.138)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:32.166)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (28:38.125)
Like, I don't, again, that does not take away from people who need medication or anything else because I think those things are super important. And I think this idea that there is some normal of anything is where like that binary of it's like, it's either normal or it's not, is the problem. Because just like we understand with gender and sexuality and almost everything else, there is no, like even when we talk about race, know, like black can look so different, white can look so different.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:42.418)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:47.462)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (28:53.715)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (29:00.733)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:06.351)
because it's all a construct. It's all just nonsense in a way. So yeah, think we're all neurodivergent.
Taina Brown she/hers (29:08.191)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, neurodivergent, yeah. I think also the culture that we live in, with like the attention economy and like all these like different things, like that has an effect on our brains, like that has an effect on our bodies. And so, yes.
like neurodivergent people have been around forever, but I think we're also like creating a type of neurodivergence that maybe is exacerbated by like all these things that we have access to right now.
Becky Mollenkamp (29:50.959)
for sure.
Yeah, I humans evolve and technology is a part of that evolution. We evolve to adapt to the different technologies that are out there. There's a really great book called Stolen Focus by Johann Hari. It's one of the only books I've ever seen that talks about like attention economy and these issues and, you know, social media and technology and all that in a way that is through this lens of like sociology and anthropology and like understanding the
Taina Brown she/hers (29:58.238)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (30:12.999)
Bye.
Taina Brown she/hers (30:19.506)
Bye!
Becky Mollenkamp (30:20.875)
the totality of human existence, instead of it being through this like, either how to be more productive or how to just avoid these things or whatever. It's more like just explaining how we have evolved, how our focus has evolved, how our attention has evolved and how these things that are at play are changing how we show up. It's really, really good and thought provoking. Sometimes we ought to rate it for book club, because it's so good. That could be a good one. But yeah, I highly recommend it for people who are interested in
Taina Brown she/hers (30:28.594)
Thank
Taina Brown she/hers (30:32.541)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (30:42.173)
Mmm.
yeah, yeah, for book club and the coaches.
Becky Mollenkamp (30:49.399)
those things through a very different lens because just most of what I see out there that's talking about like, you know, digital minimalism, Cal Newport and atomic habits and like all these things that are out there, they still feel very focused on like productivity. It's like either how do we reduce the noise so that we can get more done or how do we like use the technology in more efficient ways? Like all of this is not remotely that. And so I think it's really good.
Taina Brown she/hers (31:02.716)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (31:13.051)
Yeah, yeah, I think that would be a good book for book club in the coaches circle sometime. My dog still has pneumonia, so she's going to be. Yeah, yeah. The dog who lived. The dog who lived. I mean, she's going to be an antibiotics for.
Becky Mollenkamp (31:18.979)
Yeah, I agree.
What else is going on? We saw a few minutes ago, is anything else you want to talk about?
and still isn't dead. This dog is a miracle. Like they should study her for science, yes.
Taina Brown she/hers (31:40.509)
at least three more weeks. So, because apparently, so we took her to the vet last week as a follow-up. They did an x-ray, which is like $600. And she still has like pneumonia in her lungs. Not a lot, but still a little bit. And you're supposed to, she's supposed to stay on the antibiotics for two weeks after the x-rays come back clear.
So she's going to be on antibiotics for at least another three weeks. Well, at this point, about two and a half weeks. she giving her the meds is like she hates it because it's in a syringe and you have to like force it into her mouth. And then she gets all mad afterwards.
Becky Mollenkamp (32:19.438)
battle.
And I love her, no offense, but she does have a bit of a crypt keepery look at this point, because she is so old. So I can only imagine that face like when she's like, away from me. Like it's got to be scary.
Taina Brown she/hers (32:27.939)
No, she does. She does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like whining and like she'll start barking if she gets like really angry and just like pacing. Sometimes she'll angry pee. Yeah. Yeah. She's she's a little bit of a bitch. Yeah. But we love her. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (32:37.463)
it.
Becky Mollenkamp (32:44.623)
She seems like a lot of a bitch, but still, you gotta love her. Like what tenacity, what resilience. Like I think that she, she's like our role model in a way. Like I love her. She's just like, oh, you think I'm done? Fuck you. No, I'll keep on going then, right? Like, yeah, she's got that kind of spirit and I love it. Where it reminds me of my father-in-law to a degree because he also was dealing with pneumonia after he's battling lung cancer, has gone through chemo and radiation, up, finished all of his treatments and then got pneumonia. He's been in the hospital.
Taina Brown she/hers (32:59.26)
Yeah, yeah, she's...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She definitely does.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:12.368)
don't know. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (33:18.595)
But similarly, every time we start to think like, God, hope it's like this, he's 82, I mean, he's 83. Then they'll be like, actually, he's looking really good now, he's turning around. And like, I think he's gonna be heading home soon and getting home healthcare while he finishes recovering, because the pneumonia, think he's, I mean, pneumonia had spread to his blood. Like this, where we're like, God, like every time, and then he just, he pulls through, man, the man's a fighter, you know? So there are just some people that are built that way, I think.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:24.409)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:29.478)
Yeah.
Wow.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:38.202)
Wow.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:43.036)
Yeah, refusing to go. just refusing to go.
Becky Mollenkamp (33:46.447)
but also has some of that same spirit of like, fuck this and I hate this and that, you know, like But sometimes I think that's part of what keeps you alive longer. Some of the people who have lived the life, so interesting when they interview people who've lived like the octogenarians and stuff who've lived 80 to a hundred years. And some of them are like, oh yeah, it was because of my healthy lifestyle and I walk and whatever. But so often what you hear is these people are like, well, I drink every day and I like, it's because I play poker or like these things that you think.
Taina Brown she/hers (33:51.066)
Yeah, crotchety, crotchety old people's spirit. Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (34:05.531)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (34:10.671)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's because I never got married. I've been a slut my whole life.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:16.363)
Right? I have my, I have, well that part there's science behind never getting married that L thing, but, or like I ate sugar, I had my ice cream every day. Like some of the things that they'll say, you're like, wait a minute, that's everything they say not to do. And somehow you're living to be 106. I think it's genetics, y'all.
Taina Brown she/hers (34:28.515)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that fighting spirit, you know, like, yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (34:36.067)
And that too. Yeah, like your dog, just like that. I'm not going.
Taina Brown she/hers (34:40.987)
Yeah, she's like, there's too much delicious food to be had. Why would I go? Why would I go?
Becky Mollenkamp (34:44.367)
That's basically how I feel about life. As long as croissants exist in this world, I'm going to be fighting to stay here and eat them. I love croissants. I love baked goods. if I were to... I don't want to tempt fate here, but if I were to suddenly be told I had celiac or something, I don't know that I could go on. If you could tell me that I couldn't eat meat ever again, I'd be like, all right, we'll make it work.
Taina Brown she/hers (34:55.259)
Oh my god.
Taina Brown she/hers (35:07.279)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:14.255)
Maybe dairy, although I do love ice cream, like there's a lot of things. Gluten? No, I just don't for me personally. I don't know that I can see a world where I eat so much bread. love, I love all baked goods. nothing I love more than a bakery. Like walking into that smell.
Taina Brown she/hers (35:15.759)
Yeah, but gluten.
Taina Brown she/hers (35:21.402)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (35:25.722)
Yeah.
Yeah, me too. Me too.
It's Nirvana. It's Nirvana.
Becky Mollenkamp (35:37.783)
And sadly, my kid got that gene from me. We went to get donuts the other day and he walked in, he's like, before we even got in, he's like, oh, it smells so good, mom. like, that's the smell of heaven. I was like, oh boy. Yeah, that's not right.
Taina Brown she/hers (35:45.274)
hahahahah
Taina Brown she/hers (35:53.018)
It's funny, the first time we, the first time, god that sounds so fucking pretentious, we went to Paris on our honeymoon. And I was like, you know what I wanna do? I just wanna buy a baguette and just walk down the street and just eat it and just like have the baguette. Like, we did that. And the first time I bit into it, I was like,
Becky Mollenkamp (36:01.941)
I was wondering what was going to sound pretentious. A little bit, a little bit.
Taina Brown she/hers (36:20.34)
I see why the French Revolution happened because this bread is so good. Like, it's so yummy. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:25.607)
Yeah, we have a James Beard winning French patisserie in town that also does baked goods and everything. I mean, the amount of money is obscene. Talk about pretentious. Like it's obscene. And I like just crave it all the time and think about it all the time. And I go maybe once a month. was I if I could, I would go daily. They make the most amazing baked goods and
Taina Brown she/hers (36:31.79)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (36:42.691)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (36:53.241)
They also have these wonderful patisserie, which you can't get anywhere else. And that doll sounds very pretentious, but you know what? If you've never tried French patisserie, if you've never been to a true French bakery, if you've never had like a real croissant, not the bullshit bready stuff you get at the grocery store, but like a true flaky, crispy outside, flaky inside, watery, then you haven't lived.
Taina Brown she/hers (37:02.102)
You need to go.
Taina Brown she/hers (37:06.734)
Yeah, but the real flaky one where it's just like, yes, it just falls apart. Yeah. If you put it in a brown paper bag, the back should be greasy afterwards because of the butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:18.415)
Oh, for sure. For sure. Like, because you're not using it enough better if you're not doing that. And that's not the it's not the French way. And again, I'm going to be pretentious, but at least once I think everyone in their life at least one should have a phenomenal, true croissant.
Taina Brown she/hers (37:33.238)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. There's nothing like a really legit croissant. Because I feel like a lot of... We're kidding. So we're all over the place. I feel like a lot of the croissants that you get out there are bready. Croissants are supposed to be light. They're supposed to be light. Yeah, because of the layers and things like that. It's supposed to be super light. The lamination.
Becky Mollenkamp (37:41.727)
It's food porn! This is turning into food porn!
Becky Mollenkamp (37:49.805)
Yes, they should not be bready.
And the lamination, if you don't watch the Great British Bake Off, you can learn more about Chris Lund. It's lamination. It's folding that dough with the butter. They put layers like it's supposed to be layers of not just like, a little spread of butter. If you watch them make it, it's layers of thick frozen butter and then, and it's so, so not good for your heart. And then still the French people live forever. So see, I think.
Taina Brown she/hers (38:05.615)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (38:13.314)
It's layers of butter, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (38:22.497)
Yeah, because they walk a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of food science here for you and for for people who are listening. like the lamination in the croissants, it's the same concept with like a really good pie dough. When you get like the little like the chunks of butter in there. What happens is when you bake it, there's water in that butter.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:24.195)
Well, that is the thing. They walk to get that croissant instead of like, have to do drive to get that croissant. They live walkable. I don't have that. So there is a part.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:43.096)
Mm-mm.
Taina Brown she/hers (38:51.811)
that evaporates that creates air pockets. And so that's why when you get like a really good croissant or a biscuit or pie dough, it's, even though it's a bread, it feels, and it has a lot of butter, it feels really light on your palate because of those air pockets. So.
Becky Mollenkamp (38:56.803)
or a biscuit.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:07.289)
Great.
And it's supposed to, and you have to use frozen butter. If you've ever tried to make biscuits and you're not using frozen butter, they turn out flat. And that's the problem with a lot of what you see as people are doing it that really, cause it takes more work. It's more effort. It takes more time. Like, and that's why it's so good. It's made with love. This one. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:13.312)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:18.723)
Flat, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:24.673)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because frozen butter retains the water. So if the butter's melted or soft, it's like the water's already gone from it, you know? yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (39:35.215)
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work and it just flattens everything. You don't get those beautiful air pockets that make it so delicious. Okay, this was a weird episode, but also good. Like heavy, helpful, and fun. Yeah, what more could you want people? Like we're delivering here. You're not paying a penny for this magic. I feel really good about that. All right.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:41.035)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:44.985)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:48.59)
And then light with the croissants.
Taina Brown she/hers (39:54.509)
Ha ha ha!
Taina Brown she/hers (39:59.385)
Thanks for listening in on my therapy journey so far.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:05.537)
Yeah, thanks for all of this. And thanks for continuing to tell us about your fanfic. Go to beckymollencamp.com slash game if you want to play my little game that AI helped me build. If you have questions about how it happened, let me know. But I would encourage people to explore with AI. like it's once you get past the get off my lawn part, which I, know, that still pops its head up for me. But it is really interesting to see the fun things that you can start to do, like that I would have never been able to do before in my life, like to express myself in all these new ways. It's really exciting. So anyway.
Taina Brown she/hers (40:13.143)
Yes, yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (40:22.595)
Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (40:30.7)
Yeah. Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:35.939)
When are you gonna write some fanfic, by the way? I want you to do that.
Taina Brown she/hers (40:38.841)
I used to write a lot when I was younger and I have been thinking about it and I'm just like, haven't, never read the Harry Potter books. So I'm like, I don't feel like I know the characters well enough to write them. Maybe, maybe, but there's a TikTok creator. Maybe, it's a niche. Yeah, yeah. No, there's a TikTok creator who writes, but also will.
Becky Mollenkamp (40:48.601)
I feel like you know enough from the fanfic.
Could you write Danfic about Danfic?
Becky Mollenkamp (40:58.319)
If anyone could, it would be you. It would be you.
Taina Brown she/hers (41:04.953)
create plot bunnies and in the world of like fanfic plot bunnies are ideas that haven't been written. And so sometimes she'll say, this plot bunny is up for adoption. So that means anybody can write it. And I read one, I saw one the other day that I was like, ooh, I feel like I want to write that. So maybe.
Becky Mollenkamp (41:22.179)
See, I think we should almost turn this podcast into an accountability session with each other while we pick a project to do. Like I did my flowers today because of this. And I'm like, that kind of excites me to think about like if I knew I was having this weekly checkpoints on a bigger project. So anyway, something to think about. Okay. You have to go host a call for our coaches circle. Don't forget to join if you're a coach and interested in being part of all of this kind of wacky fun all the time. Thanks, Taina. Love you.
Taina Brown she/hers (41:25.804)
Yeah
Taina Brown she/hers (41:32.62)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (41:41.93)
Yeah. Love you too.