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The Womb Room Podcast is your space to come home to your body. We go deep into womb healing, menstrual wisdom, psychic development, and the emotional crap we all carry but never talk about. No fluff, no shame just truth, power, and real conversations.
Holly Lamb (00:01.058)
Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the No Fucks Given podcast with me, your host Holly Lamb. This week I am joined by Nadine. She is a Reiki master, Oracle reader, intuitive coach, and she is a teacher of various healing modalities as well as lots of other things as women we cannot fit into these boxes. So I'd just love to welcome Nadine to the podcast. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Nadine Donselaar (00:29.816)
Thank you so much for having me today and thank you so much for the lovely introduction. Because indeed we can be so many things, we don't have to be just one.
Holly Lamb (00:39.342)
Exactly. We're not meant to fit into these boxes, but people kind of like to know, what, what is it that you do? So we have to kind of try and like encompass it into something where people can kind of understand it to a degree.
Nadine Donselaar (00:45.848)
Now you're a real bitch.
Nadine Donselaar (00:54.552)
Yeah, but then also I've chosen a lot of things because I'm also a Kundalini Yoga teacher. So I've chosen a lot of things that people are like, what is this? And I'm like, well, we can find that out along the way.
Holly Lamb (00:59.982)
the
Come and find out. Exactly, exactly. And I'd love you to dive into kind of how you kind of got to this point where you invested in yourself with all these healing modalities, where you came from to where you are now, because it is such an amazing story.
Nadine Donselaar (01:27.256)
Yeah, it is a little bit of a roller coaster. It's actually really funny. I never wanted to do this job. I always said no, no, no, I'm not gonna do it and funnily enough my friends used to call me the witch and I used to be very ashamed of that. I used to be like this is what I do in private and I can help my friends and family and that's it. So instead of doing this I did have a really big dream when I was a little kid and that was to save the world.
Holly Lamb (01:40.558)
Thank
Holly Lamb (01:47.906)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (01:54.776)
I was like, I want to do something good for the world. My first approach to that was to start studying law and from studying law, I rolled into working in politics as a children's rights advocate while I did my first master degree in children's rights. Then I did a master degree in public international law and I really focused on women's rights and gender based violence.
And while I was discovering all of this like in my professional career, I was also discovering a lot of spiritual things because ever since I can remember when I started having my sick list, I started having physical problems. And when I was 18, I was really struggling. had endometriosis and PCOS, which really put me on the bad for so much time with so much pain and then at the same time.
Holly Lamb (02:36.462)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (02:50.372)
I was struggling with complex PTSD due to sexual abuse. So it was a whole journey to just be a normal human being for whatever normal is. So when I was 18, besides all of the other cool things I did, I did started getting into yoga, meditation, and I found out that getting energy healings was actually the only way for the pain in my belly to go away. So I started learning like,
Holly Lamb (03:00.226)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (03:16.675)
Wow.
Nadine Donselaar (03:18.592)
How can I do this myself? And what can I do? So it was a really big polarity in my life, which I laugh about right now, because if I don't look back, I was like a 20 year old partying with my friends. And then the next day I would be sitting in front of my altar with all of my crystals doing my reading, doing my meditation. And it was like...
Holly Lamb (03:27.15)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (03:38.508)
Yep, I relate to that 100%.
Nadine Donselaar (03:44.544)
like looking back I'm like you have black you have white and we mesh it into a human being which is beautiful and I really really adore it and yeah then when I got older when I was 23 I decided I'm gonna travel the world and I'm gonna save the world so I started investigating like what do I want to do so I said goodbye to my beautiful apartment to my friends and family and I started traveling in Sri Lanka
Holly Lamb (03:49.784)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (04:13.112)
And later in Thailand, well, I was applying for jobs. And even though I saved myself, I did have a good resume. was like 23. I had already three years of working experience. I had experience working with NGOs. And on top of that, I had two master degrees. So was like, I'll find that job easily.
Holly Lamb (04:32.839)
Mm, no.
Nadine Donselaar (04:34.21)
Well, I've had different plans. And while I was traveling, I was like, coming way more out of the witch closet, which is really funny. Thinking back on it, because I started like, realizing, but this is also something I do. So sometimes I will teach other people how to use Oracle cards, and it will be way more into that and really doing somatic work and more yoga and like, focusing on that and realizing how much
Holly Lamb (04:44.526)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (05:01.4)
drama is stored in the body and how much we can work through that and how much better and calmer we're gonna feel. If you see a picture of me two years ago and now it's like, is this the same person? It's so funny. And then I actually found a volunteering option in India with an NGO who was like fighting sex trafficking of young girls. And I went there and with a really enthusiastic heart I was like, this is what I'm gonna do. This is my...
Holly Lamb (05:07.438)
Mmm.
Holly Lamb (05:12.472)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (05:25.23)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (05:31.288)
start of my journey and today's in due to safety reasons I had to stop and then I was back to Thailand because I had to leave the country as well and I was like what do I do and I was back in Thailand and I was realizing like shit I felt really unsafe and also the really big realization came like oh but I was doing all of this good for the world from such an angry place because I was just
angry as fuck honestly about things that were not right in my opinion like sexual violence against women also the abuse that I've experienced like I was so angry that I was creating a job out of that like if I'm gonna work in human rights I make everything right and I started to realize like maybe I don't want to work from anger maybe I want to work from love and that is kind of like how
Holly Lamb (06:02.456)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (06:15.032)
Hmm
Holly Lamb (06:24.91)
Hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (06:27.48)
my life started floating in this direction and it's a whole other roller coaster but I started doing more and more of this work and here I am a Reiki master I'm doing treatments but also teaching people how to heal themselves I'm doing Kundalini yoga I'm doing intuitive coaching which I really really adore just to help people reconnect with themselves and kind of like support them through the journey that I went through like
Holly Lamb (06:38.103)
Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (06:57.248)
all of us grow up and do the things we have to do and then we're living this life and we're like, hmm, this is it. Or we're living for the holidays or we're living for those moments of friends. And I would rather empower you to find your magic. And that is literally what I do. Just empowering to find your magic, empowering you to find all of your talents and to create a life where every day you wake up and you're like, I was so grateful. This is my life. Wow. Because I do believe that all of us can live in that.
Holly Lamb (07:04.642)
Hmm
Holly Lamb (07:23.64)
Yes.
Nadine Donselaar (07:27.948)
I do want to clarify, like, I left Europe and I was like, okay, and I'm living in Asia now and traveling around, but I do believe that you can find that life that you're dreaming of everywhere. You don't have to be as extreme as I am, because I can be a little bit extreme in those things. You can find that in the Netherlands as well, where I'm from, or in the UK, or anywhere.
Holly Lamb (07:42.743)
Okay.
Holly Lamb (07:49.974)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I completely agree. I feel like we see obviously people that are like have these big life transformations and they've gone to, know, like countries like Thailand and India, you know, but it doesn't have to be as extreme. Like for me, it wasn't. It was my diagnosis of early menopause which took me on this journey to like...
find yourself, if we use that term, like it wasn't, it was like an awakening. was like this activated something in me to be like, there's more to life than like you say, going to a job, coming home, maybe having two holidays a year if you're lucky, living for the weekends. Like that's not how we're supposed to function. That's not how, if we think back to even like a hundred years, like a couple of hundred years.
Like we weren't living like that. It was more of like the family units and coming together in tribes and supporting communities. And that's just been forgotten over the years. So it's, yeah, it's not an extreme thing. It can absolutely happen internally within you. And then when it starts to happen internally, everything starts to ripple out and it manifests into your 3D reality.
Nadine Donselaar (08:52.792)
Yeah.
It is. I do feel like sometimes getting out of that normal reality it is easier to allow yourself the space to find things out. Like it was definitely easier for me to be away from my normal life, be away from all of the distractions, to really let everything out. But at the same time, like before I left the Netherlands, I also was like on the verge of stopping drinking alcohol. I was partying way less. I was already like instead of going to a festival, I was doing my little moon ritual.
Holly Lamb (09:09.688)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (09:17.997)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (09:28.823)
No, no.
Nadine Donselaar (09:34.298)
or things like that so even if you're in the same environment that can easily happen and it's funny that you said like finding who you are because in my perception it's often also finding who you are or not because we have so many little boxes in our brain and so many things that we think we have to be like oh I have to define myself by being a girlfriend I have to define myself by being nice and I'm like
Holly Lamb (09:34.891)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (09:50.274)
you
Nadine Donselaar (10:01.782)
We can be anything at the same time. We're not supposed to have all of these labels. Like, I don't want to explain myself like, but I'm this so I cannot be this. I'm like, no, I can be the nicest and sweetest person in the world and also do the most rogue, extreme, weird things at the same time. And that doesn't make me less nice.
Holly Lamb (10:05.058)
Hmm
Holly Lamb (10:21.602)
No, exactly. And I think as well for women, it's an unlearning because we have been conditioned from being little girls, be a good girl, seen and not heard, in the corner, look nice, don't have an opinion. I mean, yes, stuff is changing, but that narrative is still there programmed into the back of our heads and unlearning that becomes really difficult.
It's not impossible, but it is difficult as we get older. So I think part of like finding out who you are and who you aren't is this unlearning of this programming that is there from birth, basically.
Nadine Donselaar (11:03.992)
I actually have the funniest example of this because I have been a really big feminist for a long time and anyone you would ask is like, don't start going into women's right directions and like all of those things because she's going to bring you to the ground. And then a couple of months ago, I had to take my copper IUD out because it was really infected and I wanted to take it out for years. But then I was like, oh, I have a partner. I'll keep it in. It's easier.
And then I had to take it out and I took it out and then few days after I found myself thinking like should I apologize for like his discomfort that I now don't take under conception anymore? And I was like poof! Because that is absolutely not my opinion if I would rationally think about it but if I
Holly Lamb (11:33.635)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (11:50.126)
Wow.
Nadine Donselaar (11:56.098)
just wouldn't listen to everything that is going on. I could just see and feel like this conditioning and this programming of like, but it is my responsibility because I'm a woman. I have to take care that this is not happening where if you're in a relationship, both partners have to make sure that there is no baby if you don't want a baby in that moment. And that was such an eye-opener to me, especially experiencing that for yourself where I was like...
Holly Lamb (12:02.51)
and
Holly Lamb (12:16.29)
Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (12:23.082)
I really thought that I did not have that much programming left and here we are having it like right in my face and I did have a big laugh with some of my friends about it. It was so funny. I called them. was like, this is going on in my brain. And we just laughed about it because obviously my partner was also not angry about it. It was just like.
Holly Lamb (12:27.511)
you
Holly Lamb (12:45.698)
Yeah, it's that programming that it's your responsibility as a woman to not get pregnant. And it's like, well, if you're in a relationship, then no, it's both responsibility and you both have to be aware of, when you're ovulating and all that stuff and just not putting all the onus on the woman and blaming the woman. So yeah, it's quite funny that that conditioning is still.
Nadine Donselaar (12:48.856)
you
Holly Lamb (13:13.556)
even now, still there and that came up in that moment.
Nadine Donselaar (13:16.946)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (13:19.754)
It runs so deep, it runs so deep. And as women, we're not taught about how to track our cycles properly and we only can get pregnant a few days out of the month. And none of this is explained. They're just given us contraception and that's it. And you're on it. And I was on it for years and years until I kind of woke up to the fact that there's so many women out there that don't understand this. And I feel like if you...
was at the point where girls were taught in school and teenagers and even boys. So boys were aware of obviously how women's reproductive systems work. It would stop all this need for hormonal contraception, which I believe completely numbs us from our deep inner wisdom and inner knowing.
Nadine Donselaar (14:08.024)
Yeah, I absolutely, I 100 % agree with that, especially I struggled from a really young age with my hormones and like when I was 18, I didn't want to have the anticonception pill anymore, the hormonal one, because it just made me turn into a complete lunatic. I would be happy and sad and I didn't have control over it. And then I had the copper ID, which did its job. It has its own negative sides.
Holly Lamb (14:16.59)
Mm.
Holly Lamb (14:26.37)
Yeah. Thanks.
Nadine Donselaar (14:35.638)
But I was still struggling with so much pain and I would go to like a gynecologist and I remember so vividly like I was 18 years old and I was alone at a gynecologist and he was like, yeah, I see a lot of cysts. Yeah, you're never gonna be pregnant. And I was an 18 year old and it wasn't even true in the end. And he was like, no, this is never gonna happen. And I was like, all of these things pop in your head and then.
I think I've been to 10 other gynecologists before I kind of like, I was like, okay, I know I have endometriosis and PCOS, but there was never fully a solution besides, okay, just take only a lot of like hormonal anticonception, or you can take your uterus out. And I was like, both not, thank you. Like, I don't want this. But then he's struggling with sinuses and to me, like, I realized...
Holly Lamb (15:25.367)
you
Nadine Donselaar (15:29.962)
that acupuncture but also like different energy healings really helped and for me a lot of the problems I was having was also coming from my sexual trauma so along the way of healing that it started being better and better but and I discovered different things that really helped like your diet doing specific meditations doing like wound cleansings which I love both physically with a Yoni scene but also
energetically that is also one of the things that I love doing with my female clients because it's such a release and you can really feel the difference but all of those things they don't give you as like support they're just like no either take everything out who will never have a child or just throw your body full with hormones which then is also not really beneficial and it's just so weird
Holly Lamb (15:56.494)
Hmm.
Holly Lamb (16:22.946)
Yeah. It's, it's again, the Western medicine is reactive, not, solution orientated. It's just here's a plaster to fix the problem. Not, these are things you can do. with women that I've worked with, with like PCOS and endometriosis, it is a whole lifestyle thing. It is looking at your diet, your exercise, your lifestyle, like alcohol consumption, sleep.
connecting back to the womb, which is obviously what you said as well, practicing cycle awareness. if you're happy to just explain a little bit more about kind of like the womb cleansing and stuff, because that is just such a beautiful thing and for other women to kind of understand what's involved in that and how it can help.
Nadine Donselaar (17:08.831)
Absolutely. Yeah, I was actually going to say, feel like with womb cleansing, you go almost another step deeper, you really go to the root of the problem because especially with things like endometriosis and PCOS, it can either be a generational thing or oftentimes it can also be an energetical thing with like experiences you've had. And I realized this recently, like so many women have been like grabbed by their butt by someone or just all those little things.
Holly Lamb (17:24.462)
Mm.
Nadine Donselaar (17:38.06)
that are really bad and not okay and people laugh about it. Almost every woman I know has been to a club or somewhere else and someone touched their ass without them wanting that. Or it's easier to have sex with someone without really wanting it and then you're not fully consenting but there's also like... And all of those things, all of those energies kind of like go sit in the womb and all of those tensions.
Holly Lamb (17:58.992)
Mm, yeah.
Holly Lamb (18:05.966)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (18:06.604)
And what you can do with a womb cleansing, it's like an energy healing, or you can call it a really deep meditation where you really connect back to the womb and you just feel whatever is there because there are so many stories of our lifetime, our experiences, but also from the women before us, like the stories of our moms, the stories of our grandmothers and their mothers are also inside of our womb energetically.
Holly Lamb (18:25.707)
of you.
Nadine Donselaar (18:32.522)
And by really reconnecting to that and releasing it, like sometimes just feeling the pain and by sometimes really being like, thank you for holding onto this pain, but now it's time to let go, which you can do through breath work, which you can do through visualization, which you can do by just shaking it out. It can be as big or as small as you want it to be.
Holly Lamb (18:32.718)
you
Nadine Donselaar (18:57.824)
you really can release a lot and that can change so much in your daily life. It can give you a lot of energy back but it can also sometimes even give you your libido back where like your body is yours again and you realize like actually I do have a libido it just has to come from within. Because obviously if there's this much tension in a room we're not really interested in having more sexual encounters where if we
Holly Lamb (19:08.216)
Mmm.
Holly Lamb (19:16.354)
Yes.
Nadine Donselaar (19:26.712)
cleanse it all out, all of a sudden you kind of like feel like it again. And sometimes it even starts with just exploring our body by yourself and realizing, wait, all of this is mine. So I have to connect first to my womb, to my breasts, to my everything before I can share it with someone else. And by building that connection, especially with the room space, we can do so much for ourselves.
Holly Lamb (19:31.842)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (19:46.05)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Holly Lamb (19:55.127)
Absolutely.
Nadine Donselaar (19:56.98)
It's all, sorry, I'm just going on and on. It just makes me so happy.
Holly Lamb (19:59.966)
No, I love it. No, carry on. I love all this stuff. So please continue.
Nadine Donselaar (20:07.475)
It's like we can do it in small daily practices by just being still and feeling into our womb space. We can do it in bigger things like writing a letter and burning it if we feel like we want to release something. And we can do it sometimes in ceremony. I love to do it either in a date ceremony or just with my girlfriends like doing a Yoni's theme together and really like coming together, sitting together and sharing our stories.
Holly Lamb (20:35.15)
Hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (20:35.212)
Because there's such a magic in starting to speak it out. Because our womb is so connected to our throat. And once we speak out everything that is inside of there, it's such a like, oof, it's gone. Because it is allowed to be there.
Holly Lamb (20:49.1)
Yes.
Yeah, and I love what you said about the connection to self and your body, because especially with my diagnosis of early menopause in 2022, it's like, I don't know whether it was listening to some of the narratives around menopause, the negative narratives, like, look all these symptoms you're going to experience and your life's over, basically. Like, what the fuck is that about? Whether it was partially like the conditioning.
but I definitely feel like I was kind of a bit disconnected anyway. And when I connected back to my womb space and awakened my vagina, because most women's vaginas are completely numb because we're just told that we can only basically have clitoral orgasms and G-spot and cervical orgasms are these mystical magical things that only some women experience, which is bullshit by the way. we can all do it. we just have to awaken.
Nadine Donselaar (21:45.098)
We can all do it.
Holly Lamb (21:50.282)
our vaginas. And this is where I feel like especially women in menopause. And I was having a few conversations last week with women who said, my libido is gone. I'm not interested. And they're like, I've done loads of the inner work. And I'm like, yeah, but have you done the womb work? And they were like, no. And I was like, okay, that's the missing, that's the missing part. That's the missing piece because it's about connecting to our
sexual energy, but in a really healthy, positive way by doing it with ourselves first. And then once we are deeply connected, like with the breast massage and like yoni gazing and yoni massage and Jade egg practices and all these things that you can integrate in order to awaken your inner sexual energy. And I mean, who doesn't want to do that because who doesn't want to have like great sex? Like, what are these people that are like, nah, it's not for me, I'm all right.
Like, what's that about?
Nadine Donselaar (22:45.314)
But it's also, it's to me not even only about sex, it's also creating. It's like with your sexual energy, you do so much more than just having sex. like, who doesn't want, who wants to miss out on that? Because it allows you to get into this whole world, which is inside of yourself of just creating. Like you can create new projects, but it can also be as easy as creating a beautiful garden.
Holly Lamb (22:49.386)
Yes.
Hmm.
100 %
Holly Lamb (23:07.982)
Mmm.
Nadine Donselaar (23:13.432)
creating art which you don't have to sell, don't have to be an artist, just creating something beautiful.
Holly Lamb (23:13.838)
See ya.
Holly Lamb (23:21.452)
Yeah, exactly. And our womb helps us become these creative beings that all women are. It's just like, there's so many women that are like, I'm not creative. And I'm like, everybody is creative. You just need to tap into that inner wisdom and allow it to come out in whatever medium that is. Like for us, it's helping other women in like the menstrual world and the womb work and all that stuff. Whereas for other women, like you said, it could just be painting for yourself.
or creating a beautiful garden at home. It doesn't have to be you creating this big life purpose. It can just be you coming home to yourself and being truly and completely happy in your life and your body. And that's what it's
Nadine Donselaar (24:09.612)
You said it so beautifully. That made me really happy. It's just coming home to your body, but I also feel like coming home to yourself and a really important part of that, which I would love to touch upon is also like the taking away the healing because we're
constantly so like hyper focused on I have to improve and I have to heal this and I have to get better and do do do do where to me a lot of this work especially of the spiritual work is to bring you back home and it's not about getting better because you're not broken it's just about finding your joy back and that is not something that is outside of you that is just a little part of you that you forgot for whatever reason is it due to
Holly Lamb (24:40.44)
Hmm.
Holly Lamb (24:51.736)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (24:54.744)
some pain that you've endured in your life? Is it just because you thought it wasn't allowed to be there? Or for whatever reason it is, it's just remembering the joy and the happiness and all the huge dreams that every little girl had huge dreams. Every grown-up woman has huge dreams. We just forgot how to dream. And I feel like by going back to our room and seeing that as just
Holly Lamb (25:15.54)
Hmm. Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (25:22.328)
Creating a relationship with ourselves, which is gonna allow us to create joy for ourselves, is such a beautiful thing. Instead of seeing it as another thing on our to-do list, like, I have to heal myself. I have to be happy. Who's gonna be happy if someone is telling you, you have to be happy? Not me. And I'll... No, no, no.
Holly Lamb (25:28.302)
Hmm.
Holly Lamb (25:35.726)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (25:40.594)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, I completely agree. Go on, sorry, what are you gonna say? It's, I feel like we can outsource this power to so many other people. And I feel like I'm in various groups on Facebook, you know, to help women in menopause and things like that. And it's always, what supplement can I take? What thing can I put in my body to help me feel better?
And I've had to stop replying because I can't just continue to repeat myself. Because some people aren't ready to hear it and that's completely fine. Everybody's on completely different journeys. Like it all starts from within. It all starts from you going inwards and tapping into your body and listening to her and seeing what she's trying to tell you. Like for example, when PMS symptoms come up, that's your body's way of telling you something's out of alignment and there's something that you need to.
to look into to heal. And like you said, you heal yourself. Me and you are here, we are the guides for you. We can give you the modalities and the tools, but it all comes down to you doing the actual work to heal yourself. Otherwise it just doesn't.
Nadine Donselaar (26:55.884)
Yeah, like that's actually the really big problem that I also have with the word energy healing. Like even as a Reiki monster, even as someone who offers energy healing, I only call it energy healing because if I say energy work or use another word, people don't understand what it is. But I always tell everyone like, I cannot do it for you. I really can't. I can support you. I can help with for a little bit.
Holly Lamb (27:02.542)
Hmm
Holly Lamb (27:13.005)
Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (27:21.506)
But you're the one who is doing all the work. And the other way around, if someone comes up to me and is like, thank you so much, this session really helps me or, yeah, we work together in this coaching and thank you so much. I'm like, no, no, no, stop. Thank yourself because you did the work. I just gave you the tools and you're the one who started doing it. All I can do is empower you and create a space where you can feel safe enough to express, but also safe enough to explore and to go inwards.
Holly Lamb (27:23.949)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (27:36.802)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (27:42.222)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (27:51.724)
Because for so many women it can be really scary to go inwards because there's such a whirlwind of emotions that we're always taught sadness and crying and anger is so bad. those are just emotions and they're here to show us something. And if we just allow them to feel and to really be there in a safe container, of course, they're gonna be gone so soon.
Holly Lamb (27:51.788)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (28:09.218)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (28:18.757)
But by pushing them away, they stay for so long.
Holly Lamb (28:19.021)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (28:22.86)
Yeah. And it's, and it's the polarity as well. You, you need to feel the anger and the sadness in order to feel the happiness. Cause how do you know how one feels without the other and, and emotions is just energy emotion. It's just about moving it through your body in whatever way that you feel you need to at that point. And I feel like that's why everybody has their own way of doing it. And there are so many modalities out there, but it
is all a very similar thing and it's about finding the modalities that you feel most drawn to, that you feel are gonna benefit you the best, because there's breath work, there's yoga, there's womb meditations, there's cycle syncing, there's all these different things, but it all comes back to coming back into your body and out of your head and into your body and healing yourself from within. that's...
That's all it is. That's all these modalities do. That's the point of it.
Nadine Donselaar (29:24.898)
There's just a million beautiful ways and I always love to say like it's just about combining and picking of obviously respectfully because a lot of the spiritual things have a lot of culture behind them and you do want to respect the culture and you do want to respect their origins but it is about experiencing all of them and finding whatever works for you to really dive deep within and to really feel safe and really feel like
Holly Lamb (29:32.898)
Mm.
Holly Lamb (29:39.724)
Yeah.
Nadine Donselaar (29:55.072)
I can explore this, but also what I feel is really important is realizing we don't only have the brain. Like in Europe, we really are so stuck in, have the brain and we go through the brain and then everything is fixed. But we also have a heart and we have our intuition and we have our body and the body keeps the score and it's really true. But also our body can help us to move through it and to heal from things. And once we explore that.
Holly Lamb (30:03.458)
Mm.
Holly Lamb (30:21.944)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I, I... Sorry, go on. There's a slight delay, I think.
Nadine Donselaar (30:25.548)
Go on. No, please.
Holly Lamb (30:33.751)
I was just gonna say there's what I've discovered and what you wrote as well about the answer to hate is love. And that is so true once we come back to being in our heart space and once we hold no anger against anybody else or especially ourselves, this is when magical things start to unfold.
within our bodies, within our lives, within our world. And this is what it all comes back to. It just comes back to being in a truly heart led place. And that's what I found and that's what you wrote and I love that.
Nadine Donselaar (31:16.554)
Yeah, I absolutely believe that. That is to me the most important thing that everything I do in my work is led by love. Because we cannot fight hate with love. We only can fight things with love. And we don't even fight with love. In the end, coming from a place of love is coming from such a place of calm that we realize I cannot force you into anything. I can just show you a different way from a place of love and trust that you will be able
Holly Lamb (31:25.239)
Hmm.
Holly Lamb (31:30.328)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (31:45.006)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (31:46.488)
to change that by yourself when you're ready for it because it's not up to me to decide when someone else is gonna do that they have to be ready and be like I want to do this and as long as they're not there it's not gonna happen no matter how hard I fight
Holly Lamb (31:48.238)
Yeah.
Holly Lamb (31:54.904)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (32:03.29)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So true. That's so beautiful. This conversation has been just so lovely. I was feeling quite tired and heavy energy this morning. So this has just been absolutely lovely and it's just really lifted me up just to talk about all things womb related and women. And it's just been so beautiful. And thank you. Thank you so much for joining me. And I'd love for you to share.
maybe what offerings you have and where people can find you and how they can work with you.
Nadine Donselaar (32:33.868)
Thank you so much. really enjoyed this conversation as well. It's amazing. They can mostly find me on my, on my Instagram. I think that's the easiest way. My Instagram is Nadine.Donceler. And what I offer is Reiki. I do online treatments and I do online Reiki level one.
which is a one-on-one program where I really go into the whole spectrum of energy healing. And then I use the Reiki Level 1 modality, which is just about healing yourself. So that is something I'm really, really passionate about. Then I also offer Oracle readings and I teach how to do Oracle readings as well, because I just believe in empowering. So most of the things that I do treatments in, also teach in how to do it themselves. Then I also offer
Holly Lamb (33:06.754)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (33:19.053)
Yes.
Nadine Donselaar (33:25.888)
a womb cleanse or a cord cutting or a refresh, however you want to call it, which is a two hour energy healing where we just really go into, what are we ready to let go? And then let it go and start over. Because I feel like we all need a new start every once in a while. And that's one of my favorite things to do. I also have an online women's circle, actually every two weeks, which is in European time in the mornings, oftentimes on Saturday.
every other day, which you can also find on my Instagram. They're more than welcome to join. It is a donation based event. And on top of that, I also teach Kundalini Yoga, which to me has been an amazing tool to just release a lot of anger but also to really reconnect with myself and to let all that creativity go. I do online one on one classes and every once in a while I also do online classes donation based.
Holly Lamb (33:55.747)
Mm-hmm.
Holly Lamb (34:25.633)
Amazing.
Nadine Donselaar (34:26.986)
And then at the end, also do coaching. I always stay away from it a little bit, but I also do coaching or guidance really in a short container. So it's either one time, three hours, or it is in container of five weeks, one hour a week, where we just really dive into how can you transform one part of your life? We're going to get deep into it. I'm going to give you all the tools that I have.
Holly Lamb (34:29.972)
Yes, you do!
Holly Lamb (34:45.56)
Mm-hmm.
Nadine Donselaar (34:54.324)
and support you in that and then after that time period I'm gonna let you fly out and of course you can always come back for support but I really believe in just needing that guidance for a little part of time and then after that you can fly out, try it and always come back home. That feels to me more natural than being like yeah come with me for years because I don't have all the answers. I can bring you back to you so you can find the answers.
So it's a bit of broad spectrum of all the things that I do, but in the end, you can tie it together as especially focused on women. just really love to empower you to find your power and to find yourself and your joy and your magic. also love to call it back. So find that on my Instagram.
Holly Lamb (35:21.041)
you
Holly Lamb (35:36.898)
Yeah, amazing. Yeah, and I'll pop all the details in the show notes so people can come and find you and reach out to you if they're interested in working with you in any of those capacities. Because like you said, it's just about bringing it home to yourself so that you can expand and grow as the woman that you're meant to be in this lifetime. So thank you, thank you so much for joining me. This has been so, so beautiful.
Nadine Donselaar (36:00.792)
Thank much.
Holly Lamb (36:04.814)
And thanks everybody for listening and I'll catch you all next week.