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What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.
What's going on?
My name is Josh Weitzer.
She's Jamie Latimer.
She's Carolyn Pivo.
We're all here.
It's the weekend.
I've been driving like every weekend.
I am so done driving.
Next weekend, I'm not going anywhere.
And then I go to the games
like a couple weeks, days after that.
But I need to like park the
car for a little bit.
Are you driving to the games?
No.
Okay.
Okay.
If you remember,
the only reason I'm going
is because I got a round trip for $200.
Yep, that's right.
And I couldn't pass up the deal.
So Bruce and Kenneth are already here.
What's up, guys?
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Hit that notifier.
We've got so much happening this week.
If you have not hit that
little bell to know what's going on,
you're going to miss a ton.
A ton.
So, uh,
Kenneth says a rare hair down Prevo
night.
It's cause I showered and
then it's just air dried.
Um,
so have you guys watched the opening
ceremonies Olympics this weekend at all?
No.
Oh yeah.
I've watched like, I mean,
everything that I could, um,
not the 3 0 AM ones normally, probably,
probably this week when we
head to the gym.
Cause we normally are up at
three 45 Lex and I,
so we'll be catching some
of the very early ones.
But yeah, we watched opening ceremonies.
We watched, what did we watch today?
Men's basketball.
I watched some soccer, the horse.
Yeah.
A little bit of everything.
The, the, the kayak crazy.
I love the launch at the
kayak where you like,
they drop you off of a ledge and,
Yeah.
And how they,
they have to turn back and
not hit any of the posts or
like those little floating thingies.
Yeah.
It's just cool to watch
different sports that you
don't get to watch throughout the year.
Essentially some,
most of these sports I only
get to watch every four years.
Yeah.
You can tell it's it's a
sports we don't normally watch.
Cause you're like, you know,
when you go around the
thingy and you drop off the
ledge and then, you know, you got to back,
you know,
we don't even use any of the
correct terms.
but I watched I watched
rugby today I watched um
swimming of course I
watched some gymnastics
simone boz is just a cyborg
like that is just not even
fair that how fast she
flips is insane is it fault
what was going on so they
were they were doing
everything today to qualify
for team finals okay
but she did the vault and flipped so fast.
I was just in awe.
And then I, I missed her floor routine,
but when I heard that was just insane.
It's just,
it's the height that she gets to,
and she comes from such a
small body and she just is
able to generate so much power, um,
in her tumbling.
It's, it's crazy.
I watched the men.
I think the men were yesterday.
Um,
That was very cool to watch as well.
Yeah.
I mean, everything's just,
you're just looking at the
best of every sport.
It's, it's my favorite time of the year.
I love watching the Olympics
because I love watching sports.
Yeah.
So what I've, you know,
I'm a big swimming fan, right?
I'm watching as much as I
can of the swimming,
but I'm finding myself
almost rooting against
China more than for the U S
because of that drug thing.
Yeah.
28 people popped for,
for performance dancing drugs.
I, I don't,
it's almost like I don't care
if the U S wins.
I just don't want China to podium.
I just don't get how they're
allowed to compete.
It makes no sense to me.
What did they say?
It was all like tainted meat
and they were... They said
they all went out to dinner together.
And... Really?
Like we've heard all the excuses.
Right.
And that just break down the
fairway of excuses.
Yeah,
and we have plenty of excuses in our
sport.
Yeah.
We've heard them all.
Right.
So I just...
So anyway,
I was happy that we're doing okay,
but I'm just glad China is
not doing okay.
Yeah.
I was sad for Team Canada's soccer team.
I don't know if you saw that.
There's like a drone gate.
The military tech of women's soccer?
Essentially, Jamie,
if you're not up to date,
the Canadian women's soccer team,
their staff flew a drone over Canada
New Zealand,
I think it was their soccer
teams closed practice and
you're not allowed to film anything.
Yeah.
I had read that one of the,
the guy flying the drone
was getting like eight
months to like in prison or
something because it's like
illegal to film things that
are closed also in their country.
But the head coach got a
year suspension and two of
the assistant coach are also gone for the,
for the whole competition.
And they deducted six points
from Team Canada.
So right now,
there's only three games in the pool play,
and each game is worth three points.
Canada's the defending
Olympic champions as well.
And so now they have zero points.
They just beat France today.
They've won both games,
but it still might not even
be enough to move on
because they some six full points.
So now they're at zero.
So they essentially need to
win the next game.
And then they might need
like someone else to tie as well.
Or I think they should be good.
Maybe if they win the next game,
but I was just so invested
for the girls today because I mean,
they train all four years
and it's not like,
the players fault like
they're like they're
getting punished in my
opinion for not knowing
what was going on like they
were apparently not in the
know that that happened so
it just it sucks so just to
see the girls win today I
was like just super pumped
yeah and I agree with you
if the if they did not know
and they did not take part
in it they're being
punished way too severely for this
But yeah, it was,
everybody's coming out of
the woodwork now saying
that they feel like it's
been done to them as well.
Like it's been going on for years.
So,
and I think Andrew Sten said something
about that as well.
And he's a huge soccer guy.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I mean,
unless you know what's been
happening in all the other
teams and everyone's kind
of on the same playing field,
if it really is just a Canada thing,
then do they have a
competitive – even if the
girls didn't know about it,
do they have a competitive
advantage from the coaching
knowledge that was passed down?
I mean – Yeah.
It's the whole New England
Patriots thing all over again.
Like Bill Belichick, Spygate, Deflategate,
whatever.
Did the players get a
competitive advantage or not?
Right.
It's an extremely harsh
penalty that was handed out.
But, I mean,
it's just going to prevent
other teams to do it, right?
Like you want a harsh
penalty because if the
penalty is not harsh enough,
then you have this
continuing to happen and
people will just lose their
coaches and it's all good.
Yeah.
I just felt like six points is a lot,
but it is what it is.
And they can only do what they can do now.
So they're playing basically
without coaches and they've
won two games.
So it's exciting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bruce is bringing up the Astros.
Did it stealing signals?
One, one, a world series.
Like it happens in sports all the time.
And I think the penalty does
have to be severe or it's
just going to continue to happen.
I typed this in right before
we went on the air.
I was looking at the metal count,
and it puts all the silver, the gold,
the bronze, and the total at the end,
but it's in order of gold.
When you think of metal count,
do you think all the metals?
Is that good enough,
or do you think gold only?
I think total metals, personally.
I mean, podium's podium.
Same here.
I like looking at the total,
but I also like looking at
the countries just
dominating in gold medals.
But I normally try to look at the total.
Of course, everybody does that.
They want to compete against
the other countries.
But it's kind of unfair
because basketball gets one medal count,
yet you have a team of men
that have done this.
And then the 100 butterfly
gets a medal count.
Right.
So it's kind of
disproportionate because for years,
like when we send our best
basketball players, nobody touched us.
Right.
Right.
But you only get one gold medal for that.
So it kind of goes down the
line of some other things
we're going to talk about tonight.
So Jeffrey Birchfield says total medals,
Bruce Wayne, total medals.
It's a team sport.
Yeah.
Before we dive into all the news that is,
uh, masters interviews.
I put out a post last night.
Wow.
The response, um, that, uh,
calling all legends,
which legends is running
the masters competition.
Uh, if you are a masters games athlete,
I'm trying to profile as
many as I can before the
masters CrossFit games.
I got a,
an overwhelming response and there
are still some in my inbox
that I haven't even been
able to touch yet.
Um,
So if you're in that inbox,
please be patient.
I will get to you.
It just takes a lot of back
and forth to schedule and
to make a thumbnail,
to be able to put it into
StreamYard and all that stuff.
But we are really booked up for this week.
I think I can show
StreamYard real quick and
just show you kind of what
we have on deck here.
Because it is insane.
Here we go.
So I will try to blow this up.
So we have Denise Moore and
Cindy Hinkle doing it together.
Carleen Matthews, Brett Owsley,
Brandon Fontenot, Julie Schaefer,
Kelly Friel, Laura Redman,
and Haley Queller.
Yeah.
And there are still,
we've done two already.
There are at least 10 in my
inbox that I'm trying to schedule.
So yeah, it's, it's stacked up.
but if you missed the first two we did, uh,
with, uh,
Alison and Alison stall and Ryan Redkey,
they were awesome.
Uh, Alison is eight months postpartum.
She competed in semis last year, pregnant.
Uh,
it was fun to kind of see how that has
affected her in her
training and the battle
she's going through because of that.
Um, and then, uh,
with ryan retke who won fear
factor back in 2003 uh when
he had a full head of hair
he is now bald um and his
kids call the fear factor
days his when dad had hair
um and it was it was funny
because I said yeah joe
rogan did too um and he was
not as popular back then as he is today
I watched the full episode that he was on.
It was crazy what he went
through to win that.
Um, but yeah,
and we talk about it pretty
in depth on the episode,
but those are the cool
backstories that you get, uh,
when you're interviewing
the masters athletes who
have a ton of life experience.
Uh,
many of them are working full-time jobs
as they're doing this thing,
just like the two ladies on
my show with me tonight,
working full-time jobs and
trying to pull this off.
So, uh,
With that,
do we want to get into what Dave
had to say this week?
Yeah.
I need to hold on.
Okay.
So he, in his weekend review,
I believe said that the
number on the happy star
was not the weight of the happy star.
So we wanted to clarify that.
Do we believe them?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think it's odd that
it would be written like that,
unless that's the max that it can take.
I don't know.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
And if it's not, if it's not taught,
like it's easier to lift, right?
Like,
So it depends on how not taught it is.
Like we have one that's like
60% full and I feel like
it's the hardest one to lift.
It's so floppy.
Yeah, I agree.
When they're like, when they're more full,
they're almost easier.
They just kind of just grab them.
They're just kind of like,
like it's super hard to
touch and go cleans with
the sandbags when they're not, um, full.
I have only done a handful
of sandbags that didn't have a handle.
And when they're taught,
I find getting your hand under is harder.
Like getting under it to start.
But I see what you mean.
It's just too floppy.
If it was just like bear hug carries, yeah,
you might want it a little empty.
Although with this being the
star and basically having...
areas to put your arm um I
think it I think it's fine
you're gonna want a pretty
full the starts like to me
would be easier for the
carry but maybe that'll
allow more speed if they're
running with it so it's not
like as easy to fold over
or something or thumb fall
might just be easier
In addition,
Dave has finished all 79 interviews.
Plus, he interviewed Matt O'Keefe,
which we'll get into in a second.
His last one was Danielle.
I know the barbell spin put out a poll.
Many people said it would be Danielle.
In fact, it was Danielle.
And she got a full hour.
Yeah.
Did you guys watch?
I did watch it.
Yeah, I watched it.
thoughts?
I actually thought it was a
good interview.
I liked when she talked
about her behavior at the 21 games.
It's very introspective.
I haven't seen her really
touch on that in anything else she's done,
even that
rad tapes that they did um
which you would have
thought maybe she would
have gotten more into that
there um yeah I i liked it
it was a little bit of a
different side of her for
parts of it yeah I like
that they went through the
whole history of her
crossfit games experience
and just where she began
her time with the demo team
um the book that he gave
her um we saw him post that on the story
And I agree with you.
I like this when she talked
about the 2021 games and
just that experience,
because that was obviously
a very difficult time for her,
but it also like boosted
her following so much that year.
I mean,
it was already really high and then
that just took it over even more.
So while there may have been
negative that she felt from that,
there was a lot of positive,
I think that she could take
away from that experience.
Yeah.
Jay Burch asked the flipping off incident.
It was actually more than that.
Yeah, it was more than that, Jeff.
She, she talked a lot about like,
she's like, I was like a brat.
Like I, you know, she didn't necessarily,
she was embarrassed of her behavior.
She just learned more about
herself and she could have
handled everything, the whole,
the entire games process just better.
You'll have to give it a watch.
It's, it's good.
She called it all a learning experience.
That she could have used
that energy in a different
way to help her perform as
opposed to hurt her.
And I do think in her documentary,
she was a little
introspective at times
during that documentary.
And so I have noticed her
being a little more
introspective this year.
One,
she's not out there in the media all
the time this year.
She's pretty much stayed to herself.
But yeah,
Bruce said probably her best
interview to date.
I agree.
Yeah, I would agree.
And I do think Dave got
better as he went along.
I think Dave got to be a
better interviewer as he went along.
Like if you compare Brooke
at the start to Danielle
and both being his favorite athletes,
if I were to say it, like I,
it was a little bit cringy
with Brooke and I did not
feel that way really with Danielle.
Right.
I thought it got better throughout.
And like you said, um,
he was able to get deeper,
especially in the later
ones that were getting a
little bit longer.
Like it started off around
the 10 to 15 and then a lot
more of them were beginning
to be closer to the 20 minute.
And obviously we got Pat
with the 30 minute one.
Um,
But yeah, I like those interviews a lot.
Learned a lot about the
athletes and I'm excited to
watch them in less than two weeks.
It's coming up.
Vice says it did feel a
little weird that some
athletes got 11 and she got an hour.
I can say just from an
interviewer's perspective,
there are some athletes
that give you so much more.
Like interviewing Ryan Redkey,
I could have gone on for
three hours because when
you ask him a question,
he gives you details about
the story that you don't have to like,
you don't have to pull out of him.
Right.
He just does.
When I, when I talked to Ariel, it just,
it just flows because she's
naturally a person who just
likes to talk.
Right.
Um,
And so you have some
interviews that it just
goes a lot easier.
Well,
it doesn't surprise me that the last
couple were longer.
He's essentially done and he
cares less about the time.
Imagine if you had started
at 30 minutes to 45 minutes.
That would have felt overwhelming.
Yeah.
If I'm doing seven in a day,
they're going to all be short.
When that was the last one
or only one on that day and
he doesn't have any more scheduled, sure.
Great point, Bruce.
Fee as well.
Fee is someone that when I
sit down and talk to, it just goes.
And we don't even talk about
anything in the sport most of the time.
You have some of those
people that that's just natural.
And I'll say when we've had Danielle on,
she has been very open and
transparent during our talks.
And that's probably why
they're the highest rated
shows we have on this channel.
Because every time she's on,
it just explodes.
But, yeah.
Again, Vi,
it's not about who's been here
the longest.
There's just some people
that you naturally have conversation with,
and the conversation just flows, right?
My favorite interviewer was still Pat.
I thought he pushed back
more than any other athlete
in terms of his opinion on
stuff and just the
experience that he has.
I thought that it was hard
to even tell who was
interviewing who between
those two because it was good.
That was my favorite.
And I love Pat.
That's a perfect segue, Carolyn.
Chris Alford asks,
did you see Dave on Savant's podcast?
I went through it at two
speed today because I went
to celebrate my daughter's
birthday with her this
weekend and tried to catch
up on everything.
Yes,
they talked about the Pat interview
during that conversation
and Dave was kind of
defensive about some of the
comments Pat made about that
Because Pat then came on Savant,
said some things,
and then Dave responded to
the follow-up of Pat,
which was that if you're
not watching other events
and you don't know the
names of the athletes,
do you care about the sport?
And Dave was very adamant
that nobody cares about the
sport more than he does.
He's like, it was on my ranch.
It started there.
I've built this thing.
Nobody cares about it as much as I do.
I still think...
That he can learn a lot from
other competitions to not
make the same mistake.
But that's why I think a lot
of input from his team is
crucial because I'm sure
they watch other competitions,
which I know that they would.
So he might not have to,
but as long as someone from
the team is in the know of
what's going on, what's been programmed,
what works, what doesn't,
what's safe for the athletes,
I think that's where
It's beneficial to be
looking at what's going on
in the sport elsewhere.
They did talk about the
monetization as well.
And through that conversation,
it became clear to me that
Dave has monetized his channel.
He just chose not to
monetize those interviews.
And he said there is like
his hunting content.
He monetizes.
There are some things he does monetize,
but he chose not to
monetize the interviews.
which we had a private
discussion this week during
Danielle's interview
because it looked like
there was a monetization marker on it,
but it just meant you could
do super chats,
but he wasn't monetizing it through ads.
And it was kind of explained.
If you do YouTube,
you understood it when he
was talking about it yesterday.
So...
But he did interview Matt O'Keefe, too,
and he was asked to do that
by people at HQ to
interview partners at the games.
And HWPO is doing some activations.
I think O'Keefe said like
164 different activations
during the week.
And so they interviewed him about that.
And in that conversation,
Dave announced that they
were going to give an award
for the best training camp.
He explained a little more
in this interview with Siobhan as well.
But basically,
each camp can pick three
athletes to represent them.
And based on where they score,
they can get a point or where they finish,
they get a number of points.
I must have missed the three.
Each camp picks three athletes part.
He said that in the O'Keefe interview.
Oh.
Yeah.
It would be like a golf score.
I don't know.
Let's say Pat's HWPO now and
other athletes.
If Pat got second and
someone else got fourth or
at six points total or
added a third athlete,
whoever has the lowest
would essentially win the top camp,
if you want to call it.
Which is different than the affiliate cup,
apparently.
Correct.
So, Carolyn,
as someone who's not a part of a camp,
what are your overall
thoughts that they're going
down this path?
Or does it not bother you?
I just think...
It's interesting to look at
camps when half of them
don't even train together, like ever.
They just follow the program
versus an actual training
camp where they're training
one-on-one or whatever, like together.
I don't know.
I feel like they already get
a lot of advantages in the sport.
That's just another thing
that they're given,
a little trophy or whatever they'll get.
I don't know.
I don't know that it really means much.
It just, it helps the bigger camps,
I guess, show which one's best.
I feel like most of the
analysts or the journalists, I should say,
will write about which camp
did the best anyways.
But yeah, it's just hard.
Yeah.
Some of them don't even
follow the program and they just,
they'll take the money or
the sponsorships that that
camp will give them.
And that's the other issue too.
Like,
if you look at certain
athletes that were very recently,
let's say changed camps or acquired,
or even like last year,
like let's say Colton, right?
Like he was not proven.
And then he was proven and
whatever sponsorship he's
getting through that, like right away,
like, like they'll,
they'll claim him right away, but like,
we all know he was built, you know,
from his,
from his farm and doing his own
stuff or whoever he was following before,
just like the underdogs
moving to prove it now a
few weeks before the games, like,
are they proven or are they underdogs?
Like, yes, they're technically proven now,
but how long have they been
training there?
Like that's another factor.
So I have in my notes,
there should be a minimum
month requirement,
but when Dave talked about it yesterday,
he was like, listen,
it means nothing and it means everything,
was his quote.
And it just gets people to talk.
And what he was looking into
was that they have to
declare when they sign in for the game.
So if...
bailey martin shows up at
the games and he's like you
know what I identify more
as underdogs than proven I
want to go under underdogs
this year boom he then he's
publicly declared as an
underdog athlete and he
goes I don't care if they
did anything under them or
they did whatever but you
have to publicly declare
whatever it is um
I think it just gets to be messy though,
when it,
when you're that freewheeling by
it and and then do people
get signed up just as a,
as a number to win this award?
Yeah.
I mean,
at some point it probably would
monetarily benefit one of
these camps to get one of
these big names last minute,
be on their team.
That's going to be the
winning team and more
people are going to sign up
for that programming.
Yeah.
Is it like, is it better to finish,
get three athletes that
finish high or get 10
athletes that qualify?
Right.
That's another thing too.
Like, but yeah, I don't know.
I don't really have an opinion.
I don't really,
I don't follow any training camp program.
my own stuff john young says
you telling me pat is doing
frazier's programming
carolyn or is he doing the
same deal with latondra
they ain't influencing
nothing it's just in the
name only unless you know
something I don't no to me
he's he is michelle's
athlete and he's doing deca
which is now acquired by hwpl he's
To me,
I think it's so weird that he's HWPO.
To me, he's DECA.
It's even weird for certain
athletes that are switching
training camps now.
It's just a name.
It's just sponsorships.
They'll do what they'll want
to get more money or support,
whether it's access to
treatment at the games,
access to information at the games,
whatever.
Being a part of a training
camp is helpful at times.
Again, like I said earlier,
like Dave's idea of at
least people are talking
about it and that's what his goal is.
I just don't think that's
like big thinking marketing
in this day and age.
That's great in 2012 when
you're a small sport coming up.
But at some point you have
to prove that you're doing
things the right way.
Not people talking.
And are they even affiliated half the time,
these like training camps or whatever,
right?
So like underdogs is a program,
but I don't think that's an
actual affiliate underdogs CrossFit.
So it has other, I don't know,
other repercussions, I guess.
To me, the affiliate cup is a team stuff.
The journalists and stuff
and the analysts will say
which one's the best camp anyways.
I don't think it's, I mean,
if he wants to do it, he wants to do it.
It's a little...
It's a fun little award.
It's a Spirit of the Games award.
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah.
It's like the last-minute
drop of the Triple Crown
that Dave tried to say.
Well,
when you do it in the middle of the
Triple Crown and nobody
knew it even existed,
is it really a Triple Crown?
Right.
And the scoring was absurd anyway, but...
And then that just, to me,
that's just going to go by the wayside.
And this is another thing
that just flippantly was said,
and unless there's
something put behind it
that means something,
it's just going to go away.
So there's that.
We'll finish up with Dave
posted on his Instagram a
video of Trista Smith, demo athlete,
doing Chad.
Now, yesterday on Savan,
he said that he's the one
that took the video and he
on purposely made sure that
you could not see the box.
So does that tell you
anything or is that just another one?
I think there might be like
two circles or two pieces
of tape or something on the box.
So you have to step up and then you can –
like rotator twist the other way.
And there might be, it might be, yeah,
like you step up with both
feet need to be like this
versus you can't stand up
halfway on the box where
you can step down.
You have to stand up.
So your foot is on both parts of the,
let's say a tape line on the box.
Do you know what I mean by that or no?
There's like, yeah, like you can't,
you can't step to the far
side of the box and be ready to get down.
You need to be on this side of the box.
Then you can turn and get your feet over.
Yes.
I think,
I think there's something like
that on the box so that
you're not halfway turned
when you're doing your step up,
which would save seconds
throughout the whole movement.
Um,
so that's the first thing I thought of
was there must be something
she's stepping on there.
And then the second thing,
which we talked about was
that she was wearing knee
sleeves folded on her ankles.
So I didn't know whether every, you know,
a hundred or 200 steps,
Instead of moving a pile on,
they had to go and do one rope climb,
one weighted rope climb and
then come back to their step ups.
It's something that wouldn't
be taking that long anyways.
And then they just would do
something like that.
I don't know.
But it was interesting that
she wore knee sleeves to me
unless she thought she was going to trip.
But I don't think that you
would wear knee sleeves
during the box step ups.
The twist is that you have
to step down backwards,
which means you have to
turn on the top of the box.
Tape line makes sense.
Right.
Or chalk circles or whatever
forces them to do that.
Andrew Sten also, unpurposely.
Yes, that is official podcaster language.
And it's a secret handbook
we're given when we start a podcast.
And we know the secret words you can use.
So on purposely is one of those words.
A literal twist.
A literal twist.
Yeah.
That would be so Dave that
Chad will have a twist and
it actually is a literal twist.
Yeah.
Well,
I think, I mean,
I think Carolyn's right
that there is something else.
I mean,
he said in that conversation with
Saban that he spoke to
Chad's spouse and informed
her of the changes.
And he even said like, well,
she was testing components.
So I mean,
it sounds like there's something
else being involved in that
workout other than just the box.
So, and I, yeah, I could,
it could be the rope.
It could, I don't know.
Jay Birch,
I could see that if they were on
her knees,
but they were actually folded
down around her ankles.
Or someone in our little
chat said maybe their ankle weights.
So that would be even another twist,
but that would be crazy.
Historic agrees.
Yeah,
there's historic fitness came in with
the same thing.
I mean,
if the workouts are already super hard,
like I've, I've done it with a 35 before.
I don't think you need to add the weights.
They have a heavy clean
ladder coming right after.
Um, it's already very leg intensive.
Like your quads are gonna be blown up.
Your calves are going to be sore.
don't think the ankle
weights are needed I just
thought it was weird I i
think it was knee sleeves
um if I wear my knee
sleeves on box jumps
normally it's just in case
I would you know fall and I
don't have them rolled down
I would have them higher up
like middle of my shin in
case I jump so the fact
that they're all the way
down the only time that you
wear them all the way down
is for rope climbs so to me
and we've seen weighted
rope climbs at rogue
invitational or other
competitions um to me it
would make sense to
I wouldn't be surprised if
it's there just based off of that.
Yeah.
I wouldn't be surprised either.
I mean, we could – you could, like,
try to guess other workouts
of the earlier days.
But, I mean,
he said it's going to be well-balanced.
And I don't know that just straight Chad,
like,
without adding a gymnastics
component or something,
would be the best elimination workout.
I mean, I like the –
endurance aspect of it the
you know it is a mindset
thing but I do think
throwing something in like
a weighted rope climb would
be a good idea yeah I'm
okay with it um it would
give it would give the
judges a break from
counting yeah that's true
It just seemed like she was
taking so many steps across the top.
Maybe the box was wider.
She is short though, right?
She is short,
but you could tell it was a
wooden box by the squeaking of the shoe.
Because you don't get that
on the wide Rogue box.
I just think that there's
something where you have to stand up.
You have both your feet there,
you stand up,
and then you can rotate your foot.
I think it's the only way that I...
I think would be fair where
you're the judge can fully
see the standing up and then you rotate.
Yep.
Yeah.
Can you pull the video and
show it just so we can look
at it quickly?
Or I told Jamie,
I forgot my mouse upstairs.
So I'm not as.
Yeah.
Historic says I like 10 rounds,
100 step up plus one rope climb.
I,
Yeah, I like it.
Wasn't this like he was
training to climb a
mountain or something?
This was part of the reason
he did this workout?
I don't know.
I don't know the history of it.
I know that Dave talked
about the history of him
making it something in honor of him.
Yeah.
But
So that's, that's the video.
And you can see the black
around the bottoms of her legs.
Like, like to me,
she purposely taps that
circle or whatever's there.
It could be a counter to
count the reps so that it's,
I have no idea,
but there's something there
to tap and then you can rotate,
tap and then rotate.
Right.
Yeah.
Yep.
I totally agree.
I just, I mean, if like,
if he was a remote mountain
climber doing training for
something like that, you,
you typically will have
like a rope rope with you too,
when you go do some of that stuff.
So I could, I mean,
I can see him throwing it,
not taking away from the workout, um,
throwing like a rope climb in there.
I just like the dense step ups.
So getting them away from the box too much,
I think deviates from Chad.
Um,
So I hope that they keep it
like where you're having to
do a dense set.
I've heard different
channels talk about like
elimination factors.
I just don't see being an
elimination of Chad,
like where they cut after a
certain amount of people or
a certain amount of steps or time,
just because if two people
extend at the same time,
it would take forever to
like figure out, Oh,
which one actually stood up first.
Let me check this, you know,
the stopwatch of a judge.
Like there's no way that
they have an elimination style.
He said, everyone finishes Chad.
Everyone's going to do Chad and finish it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, fills us in Sarah Wilkinson.
His wife has spoken publicly
about his training habits,
including doing a thousand
step ups at a time while
preparing for a climb up
and can congo at the
tallest mountain in South America.
Yeah.
But this,
this announcement was made as well.
And it turns out that it is
a clean ladder and it looks
like it is an elimination
from 30 to 20 to 10.
Just for the workout, to be clear.
Correct.
Just for the workout.
This is event eight.
If you look at the top,
individual event eight,
right beside clean and jerk
or clean ladder.
So any thoughts about this?
Two events after the first cut.
And probably... No.
This is the first event after the cut.
First event after the cut.
Sorry.
I'm not surprised it's a clean ladder.
I have two...
Well, if it's right after Chad and I mean,
they'll also done a lot of
legs so far with like the
running and things going on,
even the night prior,
like their legs are like,
I think we'll be smoked going into it.
I don't see like some of the
people online were saying
like three 85 cleans.
I'm like,
there's no way like Fraser clean
three 80 and he was the
only one to clean that.
And that's, you know,
on a single platform,
like it's right as a speed ladder.
Normally it's something that's faster.
Um, I think it's out of two things,
either it's the same weight
for all three rounds and
then it's like three, two,
and then they get rid of
the one bar and now it's the two, one,
one, one.
And then they get rid of that one.
And then it's the three.
And then it just, let's say it goes,
I don't know,
245, 275, 315, 325, 345.
I don't even know.
I'm just saying numbers right now.
Let's say it ends around 345.
You get rid of that 245.
So it could be something like that,
or it gets progressively,
and then you start seeing
the heavier weights come out.
You could see either style.
Just because the way that he
wrote the bars, I felt like, oh,
maybe they're just
eliminating that top one,
and it's the same weight.
weight as the one one one
but I could see them going
heavier but not no way
that's going to 385 yeah I
i don't know that that
would even be it wouldn't
if if only a couple men are
going to get the final bar
if you make it something
like super heavy like that
is that even fun to watch
like you want to see the
race you want to see people
move the weight
Yeah, it needs to be a race.
It's a speed ladder.
And especially with 30 athletes to begin,
you don't want half the
field to also be stuck on a bar.
Right.
I mean, it'll probably be lighter, heavier,
and then heaviest.
But I don't think you're
going to see numbers like
we've seen in certain.
In the gases?
I agree.
Yeah, it's too heavy.
Yeah.
But it just, it brings the question that,
you know,
you're doing a clean ladder after cuts.
Last year,
they also did the Olympic
liftings after the first
cut and some of the
stronger athletes didn't
maybe get to showcase their strengths.
Hopefully they have some
strengths being tested in
events prior to number seven,
because we have Chad,
you have that run swim.
You have some other running implements.
I'm sure there's going to be
some strength probably in
that one involved with the mile.
Just not sure how it's going
to get scored.
But you have to think that
there's going to be
cross-city events coming up.
Gymnastics needs to be there.
And some sort of strength
needs to get tested before
they get to the clean ladder.
Does it?
I mean, he kind of touched on that.
And he's like...
You have to earn your spot to lift heavy.
Like we aren't just trying
to find the strongest person.
They're trying to find the fittest.
And they don't necessarily
want you if you're just the
strongest person there.
Like you got to get there.
Then you can show us what you can lift.
But to me,
it's too monostructural heavy on
the first part.
If you don't have a strength.
I think it'll be well-rounded.
Yeah, it should be well-rounded.
John Young says,
every speed ladder they've done,
it goes up in weight.
I think last bar is 365.
That was my guess of the
weight on the – because
Dave said that you could, like,
predict the weights each round.
That's what I guessed.
I went to 365 for the last one.
No more than that.
Julie and I have heard kind
of different subject.
What did you guys think of
Tommy forgetting Emma
Lawson on CrossFit Games
show when he listed his top 10?
So if people did not see this,
there was CrossFit Games
put out an Instagram post
where they were previewing
the games and listed just like one, two,
three,
and it was Tommy Marquez reading it.
Women to look for at the games.
Emma Lawson did not appear in the top 10.
Yeah,
I don't think that was Tommy
Marquez's picks.
I think that was... I think
he was just doing the narration.
Right.
If it was,
all three of us had her in the
top 10 when we did our
rankings last week.
So for us,
we all... We all picked her to
finish in the top 10.
It is interesting that she was left off.
Was it a...
Was it somewhat out of
respect for her to stop
having attention brought to
her name and less pressure put on her?
I don't know.
It could be a pressure thing, yeah.
I mean,
I still think you have to
acknowledge her in the top 10.
Pressure or no pressure.
That girl's a top 10 athlete.
They didn't name her,
which is the biggest name,
and then I was surprised
they didn't name Brooke as well.
It was maybe another one
coming back from last year.
I would have thought they would have...
used her, but yeah,
I was very surprised when
Emma wasn't there because
she's a podium threat for sure.
She could even threaten for
the top spot pending if Tia
has a very bad weekend.
Another event was announced
and that is a team event
which said 5x400.
The picture had Big Bob and
Carolyn thinks that I'm
overstating that Big Bob is
in the picture,
and they just grabbed a picture.
Jamie, you're agreeing with Carolyn?
Yes.
They've used two different
Big Bob pictures now.
So why do you keep grabbing
a picture with Big Bob if
that's not part of this?
No, the more I thought about it,
I think they are using it.
But I still like...
My guess that I did with you
where it's like you do one
part of the field.
Let's say one sled.
You get one part of the sled
distance and then you go
for a 400 meter run.
Let's say two athletes, male, female.
They come back.
All four athletes push
another part of the slide.
Let's say 10 meters or
whatever section 15 yards.
And then the other male,
female goes and then female, female, male,
male,
and then all four of them do the
last 400.
Just so that they have still
close to a mile of running
because in boss's interview,
he says that it mimics a
lot of the events of the individuals.
And if they're individuals
are running a mile,
like you would think the
teams are not just running
400 meters or 800 meters.
They probably have three, three to do,
and then it becomes strategy.
which male and female you put together,
maybe on which part,
who can go back to back.
I think that would be cool.
So Kenneth asked, is there an average Bob?
I think really what's
pictured is just like Bob.
There was a big Bob that
actually had pull-up bars
on it way back in the day,
but they only used it like in 15,
maybe 14, 15.
And then we haven't seen it since.
Uh, Jay Burch thinks Carolyn is right.
Uh, it's also supposed to be a relay,
maybe an 800.
So maybe I've looked at this wrong.
Isn't it like a,
like something on the field
is done with something with
the happy star, who knows hurdles,
something.
I know, no,
but I'm talking about
individuals right now.
So, so I can mimic it to the team.
Okay.
Okay.
So isn't there just like a
workout on the field and then stop, reset,
like, and then the run, the mile run?
Event six says field sprint, rest 1600.
Okay.
So why do you think that it
couldn't just be a...
relay carolyn like I think I
think it could it could
have a buy-in on on a sled
if you want and then it's a
relay yeah I would love it
was the bob rest relay and
actually do well a five by
four hundred like I legit
think it could be the five
by four hundred you would
put your most you would put
your little bit longer
endurance athlete somebody
who can run an 800 fast fourth
and just one one one one all
four it could be for sure
well I'm making a decision
I'm going to skip through
these next two really fast
because we're already at 50 minutes um
CrossFit stores back.
If you want to get CrossFit gear,
it's available.
Dave kind of said yesterday
that they might even have
some pop-up stores in the
venue next week and week and a half.
And I'm sure they'll have
something in Vendor Village.
The other thing is new uniforms,
they were for the opening ceremonies,
what it was said in the caption,
but I cannot find them now.
So they've been pulled down from,
I can't find them on GORUCK,
can't find them on TIA,
can't find them on CrossFit Games.
Wow.
So I don't know what that means.
Did Spin post them though?
I feel like Spin would have
an article with them.
He always has.
Yeah,
but it's weird that I can't find them
on Instagram.
That is weird.
Because they were definitely there.
Yeah, he did have an article with Tia.
So this will be fast because
we really got to get
through to our rankings.
They're a military type.
I thought the men's was more muted.
And that's the only picture
he has of hers.
But like they showed Adler's
and it was very muted
compared to the women's.
Yeah.
But this is supposed to be
opening ceremonies.
So I don't know if this is
for everything or just for that.
Well, I would assume it'd be similar.
Just maybe, like,
maybe there is an all-black
or an all-green or something.
I mean, that's typically how it goes,
right?
Some variations of that
opening ceremony look.
So...
I thought they were okay.
At least they're different
and not the same old, same old.
Clocks is watching CrossFit
team athletes dropping
batons all over the track
would be so much fun.
That is so much harder than it looks.
I would love to watch it personally.
The website just says it's
Tia Jersey could be exclusive for her.
I did talk to Emily Rolfe,
who was the first sponsored
athlete by go rock.
She does not have a Jersey,
which I think is pretty low,
but that's just me and I'm
friends with Emily.
And so I'm probably, you know,
I have an influence there that is bias.
So there's that.
All right.
Again,
I'm going to skip past the female
thing one more time.
We'll do the ranking.
If we have time,
we'll come back to the women thing.
We ranked the men from one to 40.
We will count them down this
week and take all abuse
given when I put Saxon
Pancheck number one.
Just kidding.
Just kidding, John Young.
This was so hard too.
So hard.
I, I, I just had to.
Yeah, it was a different way this week.
So it shows up a little bit better.
Yeah, I can see it.
Yeah.
So this is the 31 to 39.
If you recall,
the fifth place finisher
after drug tests was unable
to get a visa from Asia.
So we are only going to have
39 male athletes.
Jamie, go ahead and start with yours.
Okay, 39, Calum Clements, then Ruan Pogge,
Arthur Seminov, Bruno Marans,
Harry Lightfoot, Peter Ellis,
Kellyanne Souza, Anul Ikai,
and Cole Graysaber.
Okay, 39th, I have Ruan.
I have Souza in 38, Bruno in 37,
Peter Ellis, Arthur Seminov,
Kalem Clements.
I have Victor Hoffer in 33rd.
I will explain why after.
Harry Lightfoot.
I just don't know enough
about Harry Lightfoot and
Cole Grayshaber.
I'll let you go, Scott,
and then I'll explain.
I want to know because
weren't you demo teammates last year,
became all chummy,
and then you disrespect them like this?
She might know something.
I'm just kidding.
So I had a seminar off 39th
Ruan pot guider.
I think, uh, Kalen Clements,
Harry Lightfoot, Bruno Marins,
Cole Sager.
I just think like it's time.
Uh, Kalen Sousa,
Anola Kai and Peter Ellis in my, uh,
bottom 10, bottom nine.
Go ahead, Carolyn.
He's not a great runner.
Uh,
He has tremendous gymnastics.
On his interview with Dave,
he talked about injuries to
his calf and how he hasn't
been able to lift the same numbers,
but he's working back towards them.
I think with the amount of step ups
and the amount of running
that is programmed prior,
I think he might be,
unless there's a pure
gymnastics stuff that he
can get a hundred points on,
I think he's going to be
struggling to make the cut
just off these first few events,
knowing that his calf has,
has issued for years now.
And he's talked to, he talked,
if you go back to listen to
Dave's interview,
he talks about this injury.
Um, he had a lower back problem at rogue.
I just don't know where he's
at with some of his,
I think it was lower back problem.
Could be wrong with that, but, um,
with some of his injuries
and where that'll put him.
He's a rookie.
I think in two years,
he is going to be extremely
competitive at the games.
I think he's just needs a
little bit of time and
maybe healing for his, um,
whatever is going on with his calf.
Cause I think that's still
not a hundred percent and yeah,
go back and listen to that Dave one.
That was the, that's what I used to
put him there um I think if
he was healthier he'd be
much higher he has all the
potential I love him he was
super nice it's just based
off of where I think his
health is going into the
games fair enough for both
of you uh you don't think
cole grease saber has done
anything to improve I just
look at the people in front
of him and it's just so hard I yeah I i
I guess I don't know if he's
going to be good enough in the run.
He was my one where I'm like,
do I think he can make that first cut?
And I just was like,
somebody's got to be out.
And you're right.
It could be Cole,
but I feel like Cole always sneaks in.
So you'll see I have Cole
very slightly higher.
I don't know.
There's got to be one.
It was the same with Kyra.
So it came down to Cole for Cole.
Kind of.
It's not a direct one-to-one, but yeah.
Yeah.
I actually only have him
like two spots higher, so.
Right.
I just wanted to see your reaction.
Okay.
So we will do the next one now.
If there's handstand walking beforehand,
I guess he has a shot.
Same with Hoffer.
True.
We'll start with Carolyn, 21 to 30.
Luckett, Cole Sager, Luke Parker,
Agnola Kai, Chris Ibera, Alex Caron,
Moritz Fiebig, Jack Rosema,
Hendrik Hapelainen, Sam Cornwallier.
I had Caron 30th, Cole Griesaber 29th,
Fiebig 28th, Hoffer.
Luka Djukic, Luke Parker, Chris Ibarra,
Austin Hatfield, Guy Mejeros,
and Brandon Luckett.
I have 30th, Luke Parker, Ben Kolsager,
Chris Ibarra, Alexander Caron,
Brandon Luckett, Luka Djukic,
Victor Hoffer, Moritz Fiebig, Jack Rosema,
and Henrik Heppelainen.
I will say that...
The really hard for me is like,
I know Luka Jukic can run.
And with what's been put out
there right now, like I really,
really wanted to move him
up a little bit.
And I just, where,
like when you get into the,
it's so insane.
And I knew,
I knew John Young was going to
come at me.
Hatfield slander will be
remembered for all my days.
I, I just want to see it at the games.
I have learned in my 13
years watching this sport
that the semifinals or
regionals is way different
than the games.
And I just,
I need to see him perform at the games.
Uh, Larry young Fargo could,
if he was there.
Yeah.
Um,
And Henrik, I think,
had a good year last year, Heppelainen.
I just think he'll have a
little bit of a fallback
just with how good the field is.
I don't know.
Maybe he won't.
Sam Cournoyer,
he's a tough one because
he's so talented.
There is a lot of running right now.
He hasn't been traditionally
a great runner as well.
And he was a little bit injured last year.
He always seems to be sick at the games.
Yeah.
And until he can actually
prove to me at the games
and not a Wadapalooza that
he can kind of correct there,
I kind of just left him
right there close to that cut line,
which is exactly where I
think he finished last year.
I hope to see him make the
cut because I think he's
got really good potential.
I just don't know with some
of the events that have
been programmed so far where he'll stack.
Yeah.
And how many events before the second cut?
Because we don't know that part, right?
It's the end of the day on Saturday.
So on Sunday they'll start with the 20.
So yeah, but we, yeah, we don't know.
We don't even know how many
total events there are or yeah.
My tough one here was Jack
Rosema and it kind of goes
like hand in hand with Hatfield.
Like I've talked about
Hatfield for a long time.
I really, really like Jack.
I really hope,
I really hope he can make it
to the final day.
So, so Jack is my John's Hatfield, right?
Yeah.
And I think it's a good pick.
Yeah, I think – I mean,
I even considered – yeah,
I was stuck with Rosema and Ibera.
I just thought with being rookies,
like they could – those are
two that I think really
could propel themselves
inside that top 20.
But I just figured they're rookies.
I put – I went with Hatfield
just based off of his year –
like a crash and a few other
events that he's had just
went by gut gut for him
over those other two
rookies that are there.
Let's hit a couple of these comments.
Jay Birch says,
John Hatfield ain't got that dog.
I don't,
I don't necessarily agree with that.
I just think he needs a year at the games.
Lynn says, and Guy, Scott,
I thought we talked about this last week.
He's going to be top five in
speed ladder and top 10 in sprint.
I got to see it.
I need to see that he's
worked on the other stuff.
We don't even fully know
what the sprint is to say that.
Right.
Guy will be top 15 if he
gets to the clean ladder.
He will have another home
run in the ladder events.
I don't know.
I just don't know.
I don't have... So... There we go.
So then let's go to the
next... To get these to blow up,
it is not the easiest thing to do.
Here we go.
I'll lead off the 11 to 20.
I have Heinrich Heiplein in 20th,
just barely making the cut.
Bailey Martin with a little
bit of a slip back this year.
BKG, Travis Mayer, James Sprague in 16th,
Sam Korn, 15th, Jason Hopper, 14th,
Sam Korn, 13th, Rosema, 12th, Yellowhosta,
11th.
Okay.
Me?
Gosh, Carol,
I cannot believe how similar
we are on these.
Okay, I have 20th, Travis Mayer.
Then Hatfield, Sam Cornwaye, Gee,
James Sprague, Bailey Martin, BKG,
Saxon Panchik, Sam Quant, and Yala Hoste.
Travis Mayer, another good runner.
Luca, I had a gut instinct just for Luca,
and I'd like to see him do
well at the games.
Austin Hadfield,
I think that's my highest
rookie finisher.
I just think for the rookies,
it's rare to see them get
close to that top 10.
We did see that last couple
years with female athletes.
We saw it with Yelahosta last year.
This field just seems to be so deep.
Could Austin finish higher?
Maybe, but we'll see.
Gee, Bailey Martin in 17th, BKG, Saxon,
Yelahosta.
James Sprague,
I think he'll have a great year.
I think he's looking awesome.
Super impressed by him in the semifinals.
And Sam Quant, 11th.
So the big thing here is,
I had Jason Hopper in the top 10,
but I said last year after
the games that I am not
trusting him ever again.
He burns me every year.
And so I dropped him down
and I looked at him as he's
just become another Sam Quant.
Like, depending on programming,
he could get a top 10,
but this is really the
normalization of where
Jason Hopper is going to be.
I hope he proves me wrong
because he has looked like
a different athlete this year,
but he always looks
different in semifinals.
I need to see it at the games.
James Stig, I saw in the comments,
people are like, I think he's top 10.
Again,
semifinals are so different than the
games.
It's a lot longer and...
James has been dealing with a hip issue.
So with that longer format at the games,
I don't have him in the top 10.
And with this field,
to make the jump from not
making the cut last year to
making the top 10 in the
men's side is insane.
To me,
he's my most improved for my male pick,
most improved for the year.
And my rookie of the year is
Austin for the men.
And I don't know if they'll
have male and female.
And I think I had Walton on
the female side being my highest rookie.
Anything from you, Jimmy?
Hmm.
No, I, Travis is a hard one for me.
I always want him to,
I always want to pick him hard,
much higher than I have him here.
Um,
I'm hoping he can do enough to make it
to the last day, but I mean, I think,
I think what we've seen
stacks up for him pretty well.
Uh, but I was,
I had hoped he would do
better at semis than he did.
So.
Um, yeah.
So what's funny is, uh,
I'm the only one that's
seen all three of our top
picks and they're, they're,
they're actually going to be very similar,
um, when we get there.
But, um, this talk,
like I put out a poll
question a couple of weeks ago,
is this the deepest men's
field we've ever seen?
And I could not believe that
it was not a hundred percent.
Because how you get someone
into the top 10, going in just in my mind,
I'm thinking, yeah,
he's a top 10 athlete.
But I don't know where to put him.
Now,
the one thing you will notice is Saxon
Pancheck has not made my list yet.
John Young.
Just saying.
Saxon's still available on my top 10.
So with that, let's go to the top 10.
There it is.
Bam.
Go ahead, Jamie.
Okay.
10th, Jason Hopper.
9th, Lazard Jujkic.
Jay Crouch, Brent Fikowski, Dalen Pepper,
Justin Medeiros, Pat Bellner,
Roman Kronikoff, Ricky Garrard,
Jeff Adler.
I'll go.
Jay Crouch, Lazar, Jason Hopper, Dallin,
Brent Fikowski, Justin Medeiros.
I think we'll have a great
bounce back here.
Roman Krennikoff, Pat Vellner,
Ricky Gerard, and Jeff Adler.
And I went Lazar Jukic, Brent Fikowski,
Saxon Panczek, Jay Crouch, Dallin Pepper,
Roman Krennikoff, Justin Medeiros,
Pat Vellner, Ricky Gerard, Jeff Adler.
So we all have Jeff Adler
and Ricky Garrard 1-2.
What shocked me to death is
the biggest Pat Vellner fan
does not have him in the top three.
I'm, like, so sad about this right now.
What the heck, guys?
So I thought a lot about
what Carolyn said with last
year's programming was
super upper body pulling, like,
great for Gazan.
And it's true for Pat, too.
And it makes me think, like,
will we see different programming?
And, like, what if it goes back to, like,
the year before was so,
so shoulder intensive?
And we know Pat starts to
struggle in those long
shoulder endurance stuff.
So I started thinking if we just get –
a shit ton of shoulder
overheads or snatches.
I mean,
is he going to pull out another
podium finish?
And it just, it scares me.
I just, I don't know.
It's got to line up for him good.
And I don't know that it's
going to be a bunch of
upper body pulling again this year.
I think that's extremely
valid points that you're making.
I struggled a little bit with Brent.
I wanted to put him,
I think closer towards the 10th.
I went with just Brent,
history a little bit and
just where I think he was
last year and he said he's
feeling the healthiest this
year but I feel like he
said that every year and
he's had issues with his
knees or hamstring or
something like that um my
heart went with pat and on
the podium over roman so I
couldn't put pat off the
podium um yeah I think all
of these guys are gonna be
battling really um all weekend long
So here's my big take.
I've said Jeff Adler for two years, right?
I think he's the most
well-rounded athlete there
is in the sport right now.
There's something deep
inside of me that believes
that Justin is taking all of this stuff,
bottling it up,
and is going to have
another great year and
watch him quietly win the
games for the third time.
I just,
nobody paid attention to him the
entire semifinal,
and at the end of the weekend, he won.
Just like he did the other
two years at the games.
He is being quiet about all this stuff,
and I truly think he is
back to having some fun with this,
and he's back to the old Justin,
and it would not shock me
because nobody is putting
Justin Medeiros on the podium.
I've watched every show.
Nobody has Justin on the, in the podium.
I think that's because, well, like we've,
he just doesn't seem to have home runs.
Like he might be consistent, but I,
I think with this field,
you're going to have to have someone like,
you know, there's an event Jeff can win.
And we know that, like,
I don't know if we can say
that about Justin.
And I think that's why it's
hard to give him a even podium.
Like,
We have him in fourth or fifth,
basically all of us.
But to say he's going to
even get third is tough if
you can't say he can win
one or two events.
Yeah,
seventh best and everything won't be
good enough, exactly.
Sarah Cooper says, please no.
Winning overall but not
winning an event annoys me
for no valid reason.
It annoys me for no reason.
But there's something
telling me that that's what
this is going to be this year.
I think you're going to have
to win an event this year with this feel.
It's so deep that you need
to win an event.
To me, this past year,
the Rogue Invitational,
the other competitions,
I think Roman had a quieter offseason.
I thought he was going to be
a little bit more dominant at semifinals.
I normally would have had him probably
in first or second,
but I just haven't seen
that in him this past year,
but maybe he'll turn it on
at the games like he did
last year and everything
will be peaking at the right time,
which is what you want to
do as an athlete.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a solid list.
I think you're right.
Scott, like Justin could be on the podium.
Do I see him winning?
I don't know.
He is very consistent.
He's looking good in his training.
He's looking, he looked good at semis.
I'd be happy for him to do that comeback.
It's like the magic goatee
came in and took over.
Yeah.
I just, I couldn't,
this is where I've been all year,
so I didn't want to change
it up too much at the top.
But that's really how I'm
feeling at this point in
the season is I just think he's going to,
he's going to have a great
year and I have not Justin
fan through this whole thing.
Yeah, that's true.
Did you also submit your spin pool?
I did.
Did you spend exactly this 40?
Exactly this.
Wow.
I have mine's I think a little different.
I don't think much, but yeah,
I knew we were doing this.
So I just screenshot it as I
went through it.
So that I could,
it just made it easier with
all my travel this weekend.
So with all of our women's
picks and men's picks,
who's your rookie of the
year and who's your most improved?
I believe Grace Wallen is
also my rookie of the year women.
And I think,
so Hatfield would be my rookie
of the year here in 19th.
Do you have someone that is
your most improved?
That just jumped up from before?
I don't know.
It'd probably be James.
Yeah.
I, uh,
I I'm just going by memory cause I
don't remember where I put them, but I,
I do have Hattie pretty
high on the women's side.
I think I have her 15th.
Uh, and I, that's ahead of grace.
Um, gosh, just trying to,
there's so many rookies.
Like I know,
I feel like I'm forgetting somebody.
How high did you have Jack Rosamond?
Jack was 15th, I think.
13th.
So he would be your rookie.
Yeah,
Rosamund would be my rookie of the year.
And then most improved,
I think I'd have to go with John Young.
I think Abby Doman I have
jump in the most.
Yeah, I have her pretty high.
That might be more than a
James Sprague for me.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think I have her eighth.
Oh, I don't have her that high.
Yeah.
I have her with a big jump,
so I think that's my most improved.
And my comeback player of
the year is Saxon Panjack.
I mean,
your comeback would technically be
Justin on these picks.
Well,
Saxon came back from not even being
at the games.
That's true.
Mine, I guess,
would be Hopper for a comeback.
I don't think like Hopper
would be most improved
because he's already been
in the top 10 before, like,
I think he got six or seven, six,
seven to one year.
So to me it would be if
you're consistently lower
and then you made a big jump to me,
that's what most improve is,
but it could be off your last year,
but I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, Larry young, thank you for the 4 99.
I borrow is rookie men, rookie men's.
Um, and they're right.
I Ricky would, if I go with,
it wasn't there to where
they are at Ricky.
I have second, right?
yeah we all do so yeah uh
how many more events will
get released before the
games you think three three
that's a lot I don't know
uh jonathan most improved
from not attending the
games to winning the games
Yeah, you're right.
Can you give a seven-time
champion most improved?
No.
Anyway, I think three is too much,
but are these really released events?
Because we still don't know
anything about them.
I think Dave wants people talking.
Right.
I think it's great that I mean,
a lot of the athletes don't
like them released.
I like them when they're released.
Personally,
I don't mind practicing some stuff.
But it does get, you know,
people talking about them
people speculating about
the movements or what it can be.
I think this is positive,
right without giving exact
details on the workouts.
I think it's, it's good.
Yeah.
They're teasers, or appetizers.
I just think it's
interesting that the team
workouts will be close.
Not all of them,
but Bosman did say that
they were close to the individuals.
I just wonder how they go
about programming that.
Does Boz have to wait for
Dave to program the
individual ones so that he
can do similar ones that works?
I think that would be interesting to see.
ask Boz on how they work on
their programming so that they have,
you know,
similar concepts or are
utilizing the rings on the
same workouts and just equipment stuff.
Right.
And he did say that they're
going to mimic some of the
things that they're doing.
So if Dave is programming the individuals,
I would assume that Boz has
to wait a little bit for
some of the information and
then try to think of something,
but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I agree.
That is an interesting take because,
I mean,
he did say they're like separate
and Boz is doing team, but...
is he really for one and for two,
I feel like it,
it makes the most sense to
mimic that workout as much as possible.
One, just for setting up the field,
but the people that just watched,
if you get new people watching,
at least if you watched the individual,
which is usually a little
bit easier to follow,
then you understand what's
happening in the team a little easier.
If it's a very, if it's a similar workout,
when you just throw a whole
nother workout out there,
people are like,
Like last year was so confusing.
There was workouts out there.
I was like, man,
I hope people are not
watching this on TV right now.
Like I would be lost.
Yeah.
Some of the team events in
the last couple of years
have been really hard,
really hard to watch.
They're fun to do.
They're great tests,
but they're not just not
watchable sometimes.
Right.
Kenneth says, I want a full-blown release,
all details,
a video of demo team doing the workout,
the whole kit and caboodle.
And the response to that
from Jonathan Ortega, hold the phone.
It's kit and caboodle,
not kitten caboodle?
Yeah, it's kit and caboodle, yes.
I've never heard of either, so.
Oh, that's funny.
Larry Young says, it's only 11 days away.
So I think he's saying three
more events in 11 days is a lot to ask.
Did you ever have a caboodle, Carolyn?
I have no idea what you guys
are talking about.
Oh, God.
Pull up a caboodle, please, Scott.
It's like your little
container for makeup or whatever.
You put hair thing.
I don't know.
You put whatever in it.
caboodle yeah maybe if I see
it I don't know I never
call it up scott what the
heck is a caboodle oh god
it might be that old um wow
okay I didn't know what one
of these I just I've heard
the phrase oh gee but I
have uh never I didn't know
it was a thing
So a caboodle is this like
kit that you put all your makeup in.
Yeah.
Okay.
My sister's had them.
Not me.
So that is a caboodle.
And it actually starts with a C,
not a K. Yeah.
I feel,
I sort of feel like maybe the
phrase is older than this.
And then the caboodle got named because of,
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
This is the Kitten Caboodle
Doodle Edition.
Can't say I put my makeup in
there growing up.
I'm pretty sure I had one.
It looks like what I used to
put fishing lures in.
Yeah, yes.
Yeah.
Like a tackle box, exactly what it is.
There you go, Jeff Birchfield.
Yeah, wow.
Wow.
Well, do we want to hit this last topic?
We've had it in here for two weeks.
Let's hit it real quick,
and then maybe we run it over next week.
So when Andrew Hiller did
his top 10 based on social
media followers,
it was incredibly lopsided
to the women had way more
followers than the men.
And then he said with that,
and he just threw this out as,
if there are more followers
for the women in this sport,
should the women get paid
more than the men?
Because that has been the
concept in the reverse for
a lot of the sports that
have been going on,
that men get paid more
because more people watch,
more people follow.
But yet in this sport that has been equal,
more people are following the women.
So should the women get paid more?
I mean,
I think naturally they will based
on sponsorships because of
their following.
So that'd be the only thing I would say.
Do I think there,
do I think the first place
women's check should be
350,000 and the first place
men's should be 250 or 300?
No.
Yeah, I agree.
They're already getting the money.
based off of sponsorships
and stuff like that.
They're already making more
naturally in the sport than the men do.
So let me take that a step further.
If you're CrossFit and the
women are being followed
more than the men,
should you make sure that
the women have prime spots on ESPN,
that the women have...
prime locations of in the
weekend that they are being
featured because it it does
seem very much that the men
are talked about a lot and
the women still a lot but
not quite as much for what
you're seeing in these
numbers and it's you'd
almost have to see like the
streaming numbers for for
both as well which we don't know yeah
Because the reason I say
that is I had Holly go back
and grab who was the final
event for all of the CrossFit Games.
And in 2007, they went at the same time.
But then in 2008,
it was women doing grace.
2009 to 2014, it was the men.
And he's talking about the
men are always ending the games.
Yes.
So they're the main event type thing.
Then in 2015, the women ended the games.
2016 to 2019, it was the men again.
2020, we were the small ranch games.
They both went at the same
time because that was the Atalanta.
And then 21 and 22,
the women finished the games and 23,
the men finished the games.
Don't they alternate every
year who starts and who leaves the day?
I had Holly do the research.
I know.
I understand.
And I'm kind of wondering if
some of those years they
just didn't like... Because
I know I can picture in the
past they've like...
Say the women started the odd years.
They would do heats one and
two or however many.
If there's three heats,
then they would do heats one and two,
wait, let the men go,
and then the last heat of
the women would go.
So Holly did that research.
The last heat has been men
the majority of the time.
11 to 4,
I think I counted on your stat sheet.
just interesting like I you
would think that they would
rotate every year like I
don't think it matters but
you would think that they
would go one year it's the
men that finish one year
it's the woman that finish
um but it's just
interesting that the men
often finish the events not
on different days because
like it'll be the woman on
like they'll change every
other day but always the
last day typically in in
the history is what we're
seeing is the men will end the games
Which is just, like, I don't know.
I would argue, though,
that even if the men, like,
if the men had heats one
and two and then all three
heats of the women finish,
or two heats or however many there is,
or four heats for one year, like,
that breakup to put the men
then at the end, like,
you maybe got more eyes on
that full group of women.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It was just a thought.
We don't have hard data to go with this,
but it was just Andrew
threw it out when he did
that based on social media following.
We don't have the views on
the stream during those events.
That would be the telltale sign.
But I for sure think that
they should be paid even.
I think people in our sport
are invested in both the
men and the women field, I think,
equally.
I like the fact that it's
equal in our sport because
that's not the case in most sports.
I like that.
I know when I was young,
female tennis was more
popular than male tennis.
I don't think that the pay
back in the 80s and 90s
translated to that.
I think Billie Jean King
worked really hard to get
the women's pay basically even, I think,
or pretty close to even with the men.
Because there was a while,
like I was really into women's tennis,
and the men's game was just
boring because it was just
about the serve.
And the women actually
volleyed a lot more back then.
you're and john young's
probably serena probably
has made more money than
any tennis player ever but
that is not just from
winnings that is from like
she is a global company
herself right um and and
the williams sisters did a
lot to advance tennis for
for women so yeah
And you're right.
She should have.
She should have made more
money than anybody.
It was just something to
throw out there because of
what was said in a fleeting
moment on a post.
And I just was like, well,
let's try to find some
numbers to back that up or
how things have gone.
I think my biggest concern
with it is these are
numbers that CrossFit
should be looking at.
And I wish I had the
confidence to know that
that's what they were doing.
You know what I mean?
Like, look at the streaming numbers.
Are they lining up the
events so that the most
popular things are being
shown in the most popular time,
in the featured times?
Yeah.
I mean,
I don't even know that they look at
viewership or any of that.
I mean,
they've made a lot of poor
decisions in regards to
trying to increase viewership.
Like,
I know they can't really do a lot with
the Olympics right now, but like,
it's not a great time to
have the games going on.
I mean,
maybe you needed to move it up two
weeks this year.
Yeah.
I had that question in there.
Are you going to feel torn
with the games and Olympics
going on at the same time as a viewer?
Yeah.
I mean,
and then it's the same with the Masters.
Like, I swear they're hoping that,
they're trying to prove
that it's going to fail.
Well, yeah,
you've put it all on the same
weekend where your entire,
all the people trying to
watch have to split between
your teens and your Masters.
Like, that's just silly.
That's not how you grow.
And be like, see, we told you.
And all the other people
that are trying to be like, well,
you guys keep asking for it,
but you can't go.
No, people can't go.
They can't even go.
Moms and daughters can't even go together.
Like, it's terrible.
I am glad they're at least streaming,
live streaming the Masters
and Adaptive and Teens,
as they wrote on their Instagram.
So that's a positive.
And Sean Woodland did get
picked up for the Masters.
He got recruited.
Yeah,
we knew that would happen pretty quickly.
Yeah.
It looks like a lot of
people are not torn.
They're going to use IG for
the Olympics and watch the CrossFit,
but we're a bunch of CrossFit nerds here.
Yeah.
Well, and I'll be honest.
I am not the Olympic fanatic
that some people are.
I will watch pretty heavily
through the swimming
because that's what I did for so long.
And then when they get to track and field,
I'll start to hit a burnout
during that week of like a
week and a half of trying
to catch everything.
And then rugby's not as cool
as I thought it was.
And fencing, well,
maybe not as exciting as I
thought it was in week one.
And I'll probably just dive
over to the CrossFit.
But
Yeah, I'll be watching both,
but I want to make sure my
heat one picks are in line.
So I got to I got to be
paying attention to the
games workouts as well.
I just hope that the Wi-Fi
at the arena is better than Madison.
Do it the night before.
But a lot of the Olympic
stuff are very early in the morning.
So it could work from where
I am right now in California.
So I think I'll be able to
watch both of them.
As an old man,
I love that I get to watch
the primetime Olympic events at 2 p.m.
It doesn't affect my bedtime.
It doesn't affect anything.
I love it.
Larry, who's not going?
I don't feel like there's
any masters that were going
that are not going now.
Yeah, everyone I've talked to is going.
So, yeah.
I mean,
if you're talking like someone like Rich,
we always knew he wasn't
going to be going.
He wasn't even.
Yeah,
it's a full docket at the Masters games.
Yeah.
What helped is they kept at
least the same prizing money, right,
for the Masters as past years.
Had that gone down,
I think you would see a
difference in maybe some of
the international athletes
that would travel.
The only person that I knew
was in question is Will Morad,
but it's due to an injury,
not to anything else.
Right.
Yeah.
But everybody else I've
talked to is going.
Mm-hmm.
So there we go.
John Young is saying that if
he can get it in, I can get it in.
I just wait until the last minute.
I will admit, I am not the best planner.
And I'm going alone this year,
so I have nobody to be on
my butt about getting all
this stuff done.
I may show up at the games
mid-afternoon because I
just am not put together.
This will be the first time
in a long time I don't have someone to
Make sure I don't forget stuff.
I feel so bad next year.
We're going to have a good
team there though.
With that guys, it's been fun tonight.
Rip apart our picks.
Uh, it was really hard.
It was so hard,
much harder to do the men than the women.
Uh, it is such a deep field.
It's going to be a fun
competition to watch.
so much fun it's going to be
a just like the olympics
have come down to like
hundreds of a second this
men's competition is going
to come down as a nail
biter to the end you know
it so can't wait all right
I'll be about it john
And I'm going to finish with this.
I had Caitlin Johnson on on Friday.
I've been watching swimming.
I want to get back in the pool.
The dog is coming back out in me.
I want to supplement my
training with some swimming again.
One,
I think it'll do wonders for my
recovery and help this old
body mend faster and
Just by doing some non-impact stuff.
Now I just got to find the
pool that is open
consistently that will
allow me to do that.
But, yeah, I'm pretty fired up about that.
That's awesome.
So, yeah.
So once I get back from the games,
I got to find a membership,
get in the pool,
like two days a week swimming,
and then do my CrossFit the
rest of the week.
But just to, like,
get some low-impact time in
to feel better.
With that,
Will Moore had just posted on IG
of a pick of a box and a rock.
I know he liked the prize
money for the 35 to 39.
And he told me that if it
was staying the same,
he was going to try to get
there and make decisions on
his recovery based on that.
They stayed the same.
Maybe he's going to give it a go.
And if he is,
we'll be behind the scenes to
catch it all.
So that's going to be a blast too.
With that,
we're going to get everybody out
of here tonight.
Enjoy the Olympics this week.
We'll be back next week.
Maybe we'll do our thoughts
on who's going to win the teams.
Maybe not a full 40 or 30 breakdown.
We tried that last year,
and you might as well just
put them in a box.
Top five.
Yeah, we'll go top five.
With that, everybody, have a great week.
We'll see you next time on
Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.
Bye, guys.