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Welcome to "This is Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness" your source for insightful discussions with economist and author, Dr. Murray Sabrin. Join us as we challenge convention, expand minds, and pursue truth.
Murray Sabrin (00:01.972)
Welcome to Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I'm Murray Sabrin, B A, A, Ph D. There's no BS in my background, never has been and never will be. On this podcast, we explore the ideas, people, and principles that shape healthier lives, greater prosperity, and human flourishing. In each episode, we'll challenge conventional wisdom on healthcare, economics, politics, and personal freedom so you can think independently, make better decisions.
Gregory Wrightstone (00:14.989)
Okay.
Murray Sabrin (00:31.116)
And pursue your happiness. Thanks for joining us today. I'm excited to have our guest who I'll introduce in just a moment because he's going to talk about an issue that's been in the news, God, for years, if not decades, and that is climate. So let me introduce our special guest, Gregory Brightstone. He's a geologist, best-selling author, and senior fellow of the CO2 Coalition, the preeminent scientific organization in the world that disputes the so-called consensus.
Narrative of man-made catastrophic warming. He was accepted as an expert reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. His first book, Inconvenient Facts, The Science That Al Gore Doesn't Want You To Know, was a number one bestseller in several categories on Amazon multiple times. His most recent book on the science of climate change, A Very Convenient Warming, How Modest Warming and More CO2 are benefiting humanity was published in 2024.
Gregory Wrightstone (01:02.788)
Yeah.
Gregory Wrightstone (01:17.996)
Mm-hmm.
Murray Sabrin (01:29.6)
In twenty twenty five, he created his first science based illustrated children's book, Chloe The Clownfish Sleeps Well. Greg, welcome to Health, Wealth and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Gregory Wrightstone (01:42.756)
Well, good to be on with you today, Murray. Yeah, there's a lot to talk about as usual in the climate change arena.
Murray Sabrin (01:48.363)
Absolutely. L so let's start with the first idea and for for full disclosure, I'm a member of the CO two coalition, so I just want to get that out there so people know that what my affiliation is with the CO two coalition. So let's start with the question that everyone has been talking about or asserting that we are in a climate crisis. So what's your perspective? What's the coalition's perspective on our is the earth in a climate crisis?
Gregory Wrightstone (02:16.897)
absolutely not. And in fact, my first book, Inconvenient Facts, I you've got it right there, thank you. Very runaway bestseller. it's been w wonderful. People just loved it. I've been told by many it's the best most readable book about this subject. And and in it, I was driven to write this book because I knew as a geologist some of the things that we were being told were incorrect. Like ocean acidification. That's one. I
As a geologist, I know the oceans had never acidified even at CO two levels in the atmosphere that were ten, twenty times as much as they are today. And and so I I I did this. I said, Well, I'm gonna I suspected other things were wrong. And so I what I said was I'm gonna take a c a close look and I'm not gonna trust anybody. I'm gonna go back and look at the base data and see what it tells me. And I did that deep dive and what I found angered me and led me
to to write inconvenient facts. What I found was virtually everything we're being told about these climate crises or the data just does not support them. You know, forest fires, sea level rise, you name it, you know, they've got all these crazy things, increasing toenail fungus and I mean just crazy things that they're they're saying. And it just and so that that was the genesis. Inconvenient facts was the
it is the result of my exploration, personal exploration for the truth. And in it I documented that there is no climate crisis, that there's a whole litany of these things we can go through, claims of increasing fire wrong. We're twenty percent of the number and area burned of fires in the United States globally, fires are dec dec declining, sea level rises seven inches per century, and it's not accelerating.
we can handle seven inches per century. And so when your great, great, great, great, great grandchildren, 100 years from now, the sea level rise will be just above their ankles. That's not we can deal with that. the Netherlands and New Orleans are both underwater and we can deal with it there. Just there were so many things that we went through and we can point out. The newest my newest book, we move beyond that there is no climate crisis.
Gregory Wrightstone (04:40.811)
And in this book, I explore how the many benefits of modest warming and more CO2. That's right. Climate change is benefiting humanity. And we see that by almost every metric, Earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering, and humanity's benefiting. And it's I call it the greatest untold story of the twenty-first century, that of a thriving planet, and how the human condition's improving. And it's something we should celebrate. And instead it's being demonized.
And your viewers are frankly being lied to on a daily basis about these it's fear-mongering is what we're getting.
Murray Sabrin (05:19.214)
Well, let's go some of these inconvenient truths that you list in your in your book here. And let's talk about something that I've heard and I I was puzzled when I first heard this years ago, because I remember taking general science in junior high school and we learned about sp photosynthesis and how CO two is critical for plants and and agriculture, and we expel CO2 when we exhale.
And the plants take in the CO two and give us oxygen. So the first thing you talk about or n one of the first things you talk about is first and foremost, CO two is a plant food. Yet why is CO two been such so demonized?
Gregory Wrightstone (05:51.691)
Mm.
Gregory Wrightstone (06:00.289)
That's a good question. They they can't dispute that increasing CO two are driving huge increases of crop productivity. And it's not just crops, it's it's every plant and every every organism that uses s photosynthesis and th that includes phytoplankton and algae and things like that in the oceans. they're all th that's fueling that, but every plant is s is
benefiting from CO2 increases. It's an equal opportunity fertilizer. So they can't dispute that. It's if you ask me, well what's you're telling me that there are benefits to CO2 and climate change. And the greatest of those is this increasing agricultural productivity. Part of it, there there are several reasons. We've got technical advances of course and and different farming practices.
But if you're having a technical advance, that's readily adopted pretty quickly. And you'd see a step change in productivity, wouldn't you? While we've gone from, you know, X-type attractor to another that's really good. And farmers will adapt to that really quickly. But we don't see that. We see just this gradual increase of crop productivity going up and up. Part of it's doing due to increasing temperature. And you'll probably go, what? What are you talking about? Increasing temperature is bad for crops. No, it's not.
Not at all. What it does is provides a longer growing season. And with that i in the contiguous United States, growing season has lengthened nearly two weeks since 1900. That means s killing frosts end earlier in the spring, arrive later in the fall, more plantings. if you've got an apple orchard in New York or Pennsylvania or Michigan, what do you fear the most? It's a late spring killing frost. And because of this
We have fewer of those late spring killing frosts. They still occur. There was a bad one this past year in Pennsylvania, in some areas of the northeast where we had one. And it it it can really devastate but a farmer or an orchard grower, but we have fewer of those. so this this is a huge benefit. And we see this increase in productivity from the coldest nations on earth, Scandinavia and Russia, to
Gregory Wrightstone (08:23.213)
The warmest, like India. India's productivity is is skyrocketing, breaking records year after year. And then that's turbocharge by increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We're at about 430 parts per million today. The average throughout Earth's history has been 2600. And so that's one-sixth of what the average has been.
so our CO two levels are still at suboptimal levels to maximize plant growth and crop growth and incre incre mm.
Murray Sabrin (09:02.318)
So w so when the no no, I I just want to get into something that I I find really interesting in this whole debate. when you hear companies are gonna go carbon neutral, what does that mean and does that make any sense?
Gregory Wrightstone (09:07.917)
Mm-hmm.
Gregory Wrightstone (09:19.041)
means you shouldn't buy their stock. that's that's number one. Don't buy their stock 'cause you know that that's what they're they're pushing. And we see that the universities are being pushed to go, you know, carbon's net zero. but they're as a fiduciary have fiduciary, and they've been told by their their their people looking over the their their donate their funds is that no you have a fiduciary responsibility to your
Murray Sabrin (09:21.65)
huh.
Gregory Wrightstone (09:48.588)
the the the universities and your donors to provide the best returns and it's not pushing companies that are doing net zero. It's just not. And so they're they they have a fiduciary responsibility to not do it rather than to do it. And so it's it's it's it's it's crazy for for anybody to to be pursuing these net zero options.
Murray Sabrin (10:15.863)
So so where did the idea come from that CO two is a pollutant?
Gregory Wrightstone (10:21.341)
Well, it's it was actually pretty smart on their part, their being the people. If you think that the people pushing this have an agenda, they probably do. and I've been told some people will assert that those doing this want to harm the Western world, America, want to bring down capitalism. And if you're gonna do that, th choosing CO2
as the demon molecules a pretty good thing to do because what you're going to do, we need fossil fuels to supercharge and run our economy. Our economy is energy based. We need low-cost, abundant, affordable energy to go to hit on all cylinders in our economy. And that's that's that's a given. and if you if you cut that out in your what they're the the object of net zero, the object of these carbon
taxes, it's to intentionally increase your energy costs. That's its goal. They want to drive you away from anything derived from fossil fuels. electricity's fine if it's from renewables because they're they're carbon free. Well no they're not. There are a lot of things wrong with them. so and it's much more expensive and and it's not reliable. It's not abundant. I mean you can't y you need huge
tens of thousands of square miles of solar panels and tens of thousands of acres of taken covered by s by wind turbines to replace coal fire and you're not gonna replace them anyhow, coal fired, natural gas fired and nuclear, 'cause those are reliable. They run twenty four seven just every day of the week, every every hour of the day.
Murray Sabrin (12:09.272)
Let me follow up on something that you said that we're at the one of the lowest points in in what human history regarding CO two in the atmosphere. Is that is that what you said?
Gregory Wrightstone (12:16.515)
Well, in human history, it's it's higher today than it was at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. We're at 430, it was two eighty five, so it's been a we we've seen about a fifty percent increase in CO two, which l sounds like a lot until you look at put it in the big term perspective. And we've had I in my book I I show a forty one million dangerous decline of CO two from about twenty six hundred parts per million heading
right to what I call the line of death.
Murray Sabrin (12:46.926)
Well what would that what what are the implications for that if the CO two concentration in the atmosphere keeps on declining? What are the implications for fruit food productivity, standard of living, health, wealth and the pursuit of happiness?
Gregory Wrightstone (12:50.441)
horrible.
Gregory Wrightstone (13:00.803)
Well well thankfully it's increasing now because we're using s we're burning fossil fuels. We're liberating all of this this carbon that was the one of the reasons that we had such low CO two levels is because it was sequestered if you were taken out of the atmosphere and locked up into into things like coal and natural gah these oil and gas formations, fossil fuels, and they they hold vast quantities of carbon.
Murray Sabrin (13:03.17)
Okay.
Gregory Wrightstone (13:29.207)
That were taken out of the atmosphere. And so I I call fossil fuels nature's solar-powered battery because it was solar power and photosynthesis that that created them. the coal swamps. They were all photosynthesis. Trees lived, died, fell over, accumulated in coal swamps, vast amounts and call it's called the Carboniferous period. And interesting, when they first the first trees and
we call the the grasses and trees first arose. there was no there was no mechanism, bacteria or organism that could degrade the cellulose and and the within the within the trees. So they just accumulated millions of years after millions of years into these large coal coal beds that we're now so we're now releasing that carbon into the atmosphere that had been that had been sequestered. And the same thing with
Oil and gas. Oil and gas for the most part are from the oceans, near near shore oceans where algae and phytoplankton would bloom and die and fall to the fall to the b bottom, bloom and die, bloom and die, bloom and die. And they just accumulate into these thick black or highly organic rich beds, which were then buried and then when they get heated up with deep burial, it's converted to oil.
And then that with more heating, it's natural gas.
Murray Sabrin (14:59.298)
Okay, so let's get into what are the real threats to human flourishing. w what are some of the things that we should worry about that and that we should take action against that undermine people's health and prosperity?
Gregory Wrightstone (15:02.903)
Mm-mm.
Gregory Wrightstone (15:15.607)
Well, that would be net zero would be the number one. People promoting that. People promoting what they're taking you away from from h hydrocarbons and fossil fuel ch
Murray Sabrin (15:18.07)
Okay.
Gregory Wrightstone (15:28.033)
derived electricity, taking us away. That's what brought us to this point with eight billion people. We've got eight times the number of people now because we're able to feed them and and transport and give us the quality of life because of fossil fuels and fossil fuel derived energy. And so that's that's probably the biggest. and if you get if you go to a net zero
which they're gonna do, well that's that's the proposal. That requires them to stop using nitrogen based fertilizer. There's a push on a on for that. Well, nitrogen is essential for crop growth. And if you you would see in my book, there's a a great shot of a wheat field. One side there's no nitrogen applied, the other side was nitrogen applied. Now nitrogen you if you have a a a yard, you put nitrogen
fertilizer on your yard to make it green and make it grow. I just watered my I've got bush shrubs and things, flowering shrubs around my home. I used a nitrogen based fertilizer this morning that I do once a week on them. and it's and it's derived nitrogen is derived from f burning or derived from fossil fuels, mainly natural gas. if they go to net zero, it would lead
Potentially, no, not potentially, it would necessarily lead to declines in productivity and probably famine and starvation. That's that's not a good thing. And and again, they w there there's there was talk by they went to John Deere and some of the others i i i in international harvest or some of these companies, we're gonna we need electric
har combines and tractors. Well that's just stupid. I mean I grew up on a farm and my granddad he worked long. He when when it was time to harvest, it was it was start before dawn and get back in after after it got dark. And he needs a tractor that he can he can do that all day and quickly refuel it. These electric if you have an electric tractor, an electric combine, whatever it is,
Gregory Wrightstone (17:40.534)
it it takes you hours to to recharge it. It just doesn't make sense. And they're extremely heavy. And if you know anything about gardening or just crops growth, man, you don't want to compact that soil. I know I I I r I've raised beds and that's the reason you've raised beds, 'cause you don't wanna walk and compact the ground, 'cause it does really bad things for for a number of reasons. And and any any wet these these tractors are they can they could double the weight because of these
lithium-ion batteries are so heavy.
Murray Sabrin (18:13.102)
So what's the what's what about the criticism that coal burning youth power plants are are a problem for human beings? Is there any truth to that that that the pollu that i first of all, are they polluting? And if so, what can be done about it?
Gregory Wrightstone (18:15.937)
Yeah.
Gregory Wrightstone (18:30.327)
Well, modern coal fired plant plants are pretty clean. It's clean coal technology we use. Coal fired without the old coal plants like they had in ch in China, it wasn't very good. Last time I was in China, we were fortunate we were there. In fact I was the keynote speaker at one of the first
shale gas conferences held in China and I was there fortunate we we'd four blue sky days they called it. 'Cause usually you can't even see the blue sky. It's ju it was just brown and you couldn't see the sk really anything. But they've gotten away from that. China's actually leading the world in what's called supercritical technology for coal for coal fired electricity. And we can burn it very, very quick clean. So the only thing that comes out of that stack is C O two
and water vapor. And that's that should be neither of which are are pollutants. And so that we can do this in the United States. And unfortunately there's only one of those in the United States and that's the turk plant down in Arkansas. And but we the other we have pretty clean burning plants. A lot of the a lot of the old pollutants can be can be stripped out and they do it already. In fact you may not be aware but the gypsum from your
sheetrock that you use in in homes, that's mainly it had been up until now been derived by scraping that it's it's it's a byproduct of removing some of the I believe it's nitrogen that comes out of the out of there that they strip it out. So they they then sell that as a product for sheetrock.
and now we're having because coal fired plants are being shut down, your sheetrock costs, if you you may not be aware, have have gone up over the last ten years significantly. And that's because they're having to mine the gypsum instead of getting it from the coal fired power plants.
Gregory Wrightstone (20:27.031)
And so we can burn we can burn using clean coal technology pretty easily. Natural gas is a very clean we don't have the the the particulate matter that we have with coal, but the particulate matter again with coal, that's that's a real easy thing to remove. And that's why we you know, today a a typical coal fired plow power plant, we don't see the problems we had fifty and sixty and eighty years ago.
Murray Sabrin (20:51.458)
Now what about nuclear? some people have argued that nuclear power is the way to go because it's clean, it's efficient, it's fairly low cost as I understand it. What so what's your perspective on nuclear power?
Gregory Wrightstone (21:03.967)
nuclear I think would be a great option. These small modular reactors, SMR plants, they're I think that's gonna be the way to go for the AI centers, data centers. that's that would be wonderful technology. You can you can scale them up by getting these modules and and and fitting them to the needs of your of your data center. but it's we're not
to where we're not at the point where it's scalable and I'm not sure how many that have been actually constructed and it and put online in the United States. I I think it's it's maybe a handful, it's not many. And but and we're probably a few or several or maybe a lot more years away from having small modular reactors that are that are being constructed and available at scale for
use by these da data centers. and there was just a there was an article today, Murray, concerning, it was in the Washington Examiner about how the United States is is basically out outpacing China by using natural gas powered
electric generation facilities for these data centers. And that is true. but the the thing w we have to understand with these with natural gas, number one, natural gas, we have huge amounts of natural gas in this country. We're just awash. We have generations of gat natural gas. I was involved at the at the very beginning of this natural gas, shale gas revolution starting back in two thousand four
two thousand seven, two thousand eight, I spoke again in twenty ten in China at a chill I did a lot. I was right at the cutting edge of this. It was an exciting time. But we find now there's just vast quantities, like I say generations of available of natural gas. And in fact I coined a term mega giant field back in twenty eleven. a a giant field, giant gas field is
Gregory Wrightstone (23:16.275)
Is three TCF trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserves, recoverable, a supergiant's thirty TCF of gas reserves. And for this new these new giant fields that we were finding, I coined the term mega giant fields, anything that's 300 TCF or more. And so there were four of those across around the world, three of them in the United States, two of them in the Appalachian Basin of the Northeast United States. And so we've got these these huge
huge amounts of natural gas that that'll be the way I think in the short term they're gonna go. But and there's a big but. and we are building a lot of them. We're just not building them fast enough. And the problem there is there's this huge natural gas electric there's a gas turbine that's needed for these electrical facilities. there are three big
turbine manufacturers, G E Vernova, they're they all have year many years backlog.
of the turbines when they're GE Vernova, they're they're booking now. If you book today to buy a natural gas turbine, you'll get a 2031 delivery five years from now. sim Siemens Energy lead times are going three years or more. And Mitsubishi they're scheduling deliveries deliveries right now for 2028 to 2030. And so this is this is we we are building these natural gas fired electricity facilities
Murray Sabrin (24:17.518)
Hm.
Gregory Wrightstone (24:46.729)
And and I think we've just reported today was fifty percent more than last year, which is good, but it's nowhere at the scale that's needed to for this for these data centers. So and I'm not sure how we get around this. you're you're an expert on economy and you know that, you know, when when demand outstrips supply, what happens? It Yeah, but we haven't seen it yet.
Murray Sabrin (25:07.16)
Sure. Prices go up.
Gregory Wrightstone (25:11.681)
We just haven't seen it. Well, we're seeing we're electricity pri well, we have. We've seen e electricity prices go up all over a little bit. but the really big, big increases have been in the s the main mainly the blue states that are that have latched on to renewables, wind and solar, and they're they're going away from nuclear and going away from coal. that's where you see mm.
Murray Sabrin (25:16.791)
Yeah.
Murray Sabrin (25:34.028)
Let me ask you let me ask you this about this has been in the news about the Straits of Hormuz and the and the products coming out of there. How and with with the with the geopolitical s situation there, how is that gonna affect fertilizer, nitrogen and all the other things that we that you discussed about making sure that crop yields ke stay high?
Gregory Wrightstone (25:58.946)
Yeah, that could have i I nitrogen has gone up in this country. And I'm not sure if it has to do with the the natural we have again, we have abundant, really, really abundant natural gas reserves here in the United States, but it does affect worldwide supplies. They're they're being impacted around the world with declines in natural gas productivity or natural gas deliveries for this liquefied natural gas. so I I'm I'm not exactly sure
How much of that is the Hormuz situation's impacting it? but natur farmers need nitrogen for their fields and they just have to have it or their their crop pro productivity declines significantly.
Murray Sabrin (26:42.616)
So if there's a problem, we should see that what, an increased food prices because the farmers can't produce as much as they have in the past?
Gregory Wrightstone (26:50.411)
Yeah, if if if that would occur, I don't think we're not seeing it i in a really significant amount right yet.
Murray Sabrin (26:59.424)
Interesting. Interesting. So let's see. We've got your first book, The Inconvenient Facts. And you have sixty inconvenient facts here. A book is heavily referenced, a lot of charts and tables about the history of the climate in in the world. And your conclusion is that there's no climate crisis, there's nothing to worry about, that there's just a lot of what misinformation? is that how you would basically categorize this?
Gregory Wrightstone (27:01.547)
Thank
Gregory Wrightstone (27:27.265)
Yeah, l in fact, let's just let's expose one thing. All right. This this will this is this will give a good example of of how your viewers are are are being misinformed. One of that is sea level rise. We've all you've all heard, everybody listening here has heard that there are islands around the world that'll be underwater in twenty or thirty years and it's because of rising sea levels due to melting ice. number one
You can melt the entire North Pole and it wouldn't do anything to sea level rise. And the reason is the ice is floating on water in the Arctic and Bering Seas. It's floating, and when you melt ice that's floating, there's no change in in the level. You can do that experiment just at home. Do that right, do it this evening. Put some ice in a jar or or a jar or a big glass. Make sure the ice isn't on the bottom. it has to be floating.
Mark the level and when it melts, the sea the level of the ice of the water is the same before and after. And that's the Arctic Ocean, where you do get sea level rise from melting ice is from land based glaciers. And we're seeing that. Greenland, you're yeah, there there's a lot in Arctic, Antarctic. You can't it's so crazy. They're they're saying, Well, Greenland's melting. No, it's not. The average temperature on Greenland's about minus thirty-one degrees Celsius.
Even if it increased five degrees, it's still well, well, well, well, well, well below freezing. And so it's crazy. but we do see retreats of land-based glaciers in in the northern hemisphere. Mainly it's northern hemisphere, because there are very few glaciers in the southern hemisphere because of just where they're situated. And and that's that's contributing to sea level rise.
But but let's go back and and why while before we go on from glaciers, bear in mind glacial retreat, and in that book I've I took a look at a a gentleman study that he did, he looked at 169 glaciers globally and and saw that glaciers started retreating in the early 1800s, and by eighteen fifty, glacial retreat was about the same rate as it is today. and that matches sea level rise also about the same time we see it.
Gregory Wrightstone (29:49.128)
And so we started retreat the glaciers started retreating 120 years before we sta started adding a lot of CO two to the atmosphere. So it predated our C our CO two increases. But let's get back to sea level rise. And so the greatest the island chain, according to the United Nations, that's at risk are the Maldives that are located in the Indian Ocean. it's a chain of these
originally volcanic islands, but now they're corals surrounded by coral reefs. fifteen thousand years ago the Maldives were also just above sea level, excuse me, eighteen thousand years ago. And since that time, sea level has risen four hundred feet. Why are the Maldives not under four hundred feet of water, you might ask? Good question.
And that's because of a geologic process known as accretion. So we've had 400 feet of sea level rise, but yet here are the Maldives and all the other islands that are still just above sea level, even though 400 feet of sea level rise. And it's a it's called accretion. It's it's a process where coral reefs grow really fast. They can keep up with extremely rapid sea level rise. And the s the coral reefs are degraded by storms, they get broken apart.
Parrot fish, about eighty percent of the sands ringing the islands are from parrot fish. They eat the corals, goes in one end and out the other as as sand. They digest the polyps. And so these coral reefs during storms, the sands get washed up onto the islands, the shore face, and then winds and critters move it around the island and the island slowly grows. And again, if you don't just just search for island accretion.
learn more about that. And you can see it's not just me saying that. It's it's that's the scientific explanation for why this these islands are not underwater. And so we're rising sea level at seven inches per century. And they're saying that this island will be on islands will be under water by 2050. That's about two inches of sea level rise. So think about this. What they're telling you is the last 400 feet of sea level rise didn't put those islands underwater.
Gregory Wrightstone (32:09.165)
But the next two inches, look out, they're gonna be underwater. Well that's just silly. That's just stupid. I mean, anybody with any clear thinking person will look at that and go, no, they're wrong. They're they're just dead wrong.
Murray Sabrin (32:11.426)
Yeah.
Murray Sabrin (32:23.414)
Greg, th this has been wonderful. educating the public about a very important issue that has huge financial impacts on not only the federal budget, people's pocketbooks, the profitability of corporations so they can stay in business and grow and increase their goods and services they provide to we the consumers. So how can people get a hold of your books? The inconvenient facts.
A very inconvenient warming and Chloe, the clownfish, sleeps well. Where can they get those books?
Gregory Wrightstone (32:56.813)
Well for in for a very convenient warming, just search for two words. Convenient warming, and that'll take you to most people buy it at Amazon and so that'll take you there. inconvenient facts, just search for that, you'll find it. Chloe the clownfish is not available on Amazon right now. it's if you go to the CO two coalition website, it's at our standalone education site. It's it's the the key there is
co2learningcenter.com, cotolearningcenter.com and it's a wonderful education supplies. Our our mission there is to provide free books, videos, and lesson plans for we cater to the homeschool community and charter schools. We've been welcomed warmly by the homeschool community and it's it's just a wonderful I'm really proud of what we've done there.
Murray Sabrin (33:54.67)
That's great. Now now that schools have started, all you educators out there from K through twelve and even at the college level, here's your opportunity to get a perspective on climate that you probably haven't been exposed to. So th thank you, Greg, for providing us with this information and hopefully the C O two coalition will get their message out about the climate and we could have a real debate in this country, a civil debate about climate change. So thanks, Greg, and
All the work that you do to educate the public about climate issues. So thank you for listening and watching Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I'm Maurice Sabre. Until next time, keep questioning conventional wisdom, keep pursuing truth, and keep striving for a healthier, freer, more prosperous life. And next week we'll have our returning guest, Dr. Glenn Garrow, talking about health and aging. You don't want to miss this session. So thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week.