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Manhood often feels like navigating through uncharted territory, but you don't have to walk alone. Join us as we guide a conversation about how to live intentionally so that we can join God in reclaiming the masculine restorative presence he designed us to live out. Laugh, cry, and wonder with us as we explore the ins and outs of manhood together.
Cody Buriff
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Restorative Man podcast. My name is Cody Buriff and I'm here with the awesome Jesse French. Jesse, how's it going today?
Jesse French
It's good, Cody. Good to be with you, man.
Cody Buriff
Good to be with you. Jesse, you want to tee us up? Where are going today?
Jesse French
So if you've been kind of following the arc of the podcast the last couple of weeks, we have been really with anticipation and excitement teeing up a offering at the end of September that we have called the Restorative Manhood Digital Summit, which is a gathering of a bunch of different voices, experts, thought leaders around what does it look like to pursue masculinity that is restorative, that is life giving and hopeful? And
We're pumped about that. We can talk more about that at the end of the episode, but in prep for that summit, what we want to do today is actually play a clip from one of those interviews that will be played at the summit and kind of use that clip as both hopefully some anticipation building appetizer for the summit itself. And then also some room for a conversation with you and me today, Cody. And I'm excited about it because today's clip is from
a friend of Restoration Project named Taylor Calmus, who is maybe more well known as Dude Dad. And so, like, even just saying that, like, I love that we got to interview him even more than that love that Taylor is a friend of Restoration Project has been incredibly kind to us and been supportive of our ministry. We've done some fun collaborations with him over the years. And today we're going to play a little snippet from that conversation. And I would just say this,
I loved where our conversation went with Taylor that will be part of the summit. It winds around in just some wonderful places. think in some cool ways, you kind of get the curtain pulled back a little bit on Taylor and the journey that he's been on in terms of his own work and his own life and some wonderful ways. So that's really exciting in the summit. But today we want to play a little snippet and tee up a conversation from that interview and go from there.
Taylor Calmus
Dude Dad is a culmination of everything that I've ever learned or been interested in. I've always wanted to be an entertainer since I was very little. I got my first camcorder when I was like 11 or something to film me and my brother's BMX stuff. And then we started making some sketches and went to college for theater. And then I used that as a jumping off point to move to Los Angeles to pursue acting.
And then when I was out there, everyone told me like, you got to choose a lane because I like to edit. I like to direct. I like to write. I like to act. And they're like, you don't, you can't do all that. You got to pick a lane and do the one thing. And so that's what I did.
Jesse French
Okay, let me just say, don't you want to see the original Taylor Calmus, like BMX videos with him and his brothers? Like, I wish that footage was accessible somehow.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, totally. mean guys if you've never heard of dude dad just in case I feel like I want to assume every man has heard of dude dad, but that's probably not true It is absolutely worth looking him up on YouTube on the internet and watching some of the dude dad videos. They are freaking brilliant. They are hilarious and what he does like he points out like Things that are difficult about you know being a husband or being a father or you know all these different pieces of like manhood
but does it in ways that are really clever and really funny and really relatable, frankly. And it's really fun. So, just want to say that as well. Helpful. Yeah. So I would love to see some of his early stuff. My gosh. It'd be hilarious.
Jesse French
helpful background there.
be so fun. Cody, when you hear that clip, what are a couple of reactions that you have right off the bat?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, one of the first things is I notice, you know, and granted he goes farther into his story after this clip shuts off. We cut it like right at a spot where he's like, well, I did that. But, you know, what's fascinating about Taylor is he was given this message, this overarching message of like, dude, you got to pick a lane. You can't do all the things you want to do this. You want to do that. You want to do the other. But no, you need to pick the lane. And so to give it a little bit away, like, you know who he is and what he does like.
He did that for a while and it didn't work. And then he carved out space for himself to be able to be the Jack of all trades, do the things he loves. And I'm just aware of how much I, you know, I have heard that message. think we generally have heard that message and still hear that message as men of like, yeah, you got to pick a lane. got to like.
Jesse French
Okay, pick the lane.
Cody Buriff
You know, the old school version was like you go to work at the factory nine to five every day for the rest of your life kind of thing. Like that's your job. And that isn't actually how it
Jesse French
Yeah, it's not all bad and-
Cody Buriff
No, no, no, yeah, definitely not all bad. No, great, you know, and like, that's not actually accurate representation of reality either.
Jesse French
Yeah, Cody, say a little bit more, maybe from your own experience or just even your own observation around, know, Taylor talks about moving to Los Angeles and, you know, trying to kind of get his foot in the door and get established. Obviously, you know, from a, a simple kind of age arc, right? When we find ourselves in our twenties, there is kind of this logical launching, hey,
You know, at some point there, we were trying to figure out our place, right? And, know, from an income provision security standpoint, like that's real, like, are we going to, are we going to make it, you know, job wise? And so I just like, let's even focus on that for a second. I'm just sort of that unique timeframe of that was, you know, for me and you a little while ago. And yet like that stage, right. Of post launch, trying to figure that out, hearing these message of pick a lane.
When you think back to that space for you in your life, Cody, what comes to mind in terms of like who you were then as you were trying to metabolize? I need to pick a lane. I'm trying to kind of carve my own path. Yeah. Take us back into that space for you a little bit.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, I guess for me, so coming out of college, I went straight into campus ministry, was working on a local campus in Cincinnati and there are, think we had a team of like 12 at the, initially. And the reality with that type of ministry is there is a little bit of the ability to like do multiple things, which was helpful. And yet I definitely had the like, the energy of a 22 year old trying to charge into it full blast and like,
please everybody, like, you know, I wanted to do a good job. wanted to, you know, be told that I was doing a good job. And like, I was given focuses, like places to focus my energy to develop the ministry to whatever, right. And I think over time, I also realized though, that I had things that I enjoyed doing that weren't part of what I had to do and wanted to do.
Jesse French
Let me just put you on the spot. Like, what are a couple of those examples of you realizing that?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, so mostly what I was charged with doing at the time was a lot of like interaction with with one-on-one with people, whether it was doing evangelism or discipleship or mentoring students. It was a lot of the one-on-one across from a table or in the lobby, student lobby or whatever. That was a lot of what I was supposed to be doing with my time. Some things that I enjoyed doing, frankly, like I was an artist.
I like creating things. liked making things. I like designing things. I liked getting outdoors and being in more like wildernessy, woodsy sort of contexts, whether it was, you know, camping or whatever. And I like getting my hands dirty as well. And so there are a lot of pieces of who I was made to be that, you know, at least in my work life didn't get to show up initially as I was like,
kind of more narrowly focused on this particular campus and this particular group of students and what I had to do, you know.
Jesse French
Yeah. When do you think those spaces of importance and passion where you come alive, when do you think you had an awareness kind of all along? really even early on when you started campus ministry and kind of in your early twenties of like, I mean, I would imagine you were aware of like, I enjoy those things. But when did you begin to discover or like say like, Hey, these are important to me. And I'm putting some words in your mouth, but like, it feels like there was a kind of increase.
of priority and desire for some of those spaces.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, I feel like that came as I got to know myself better. Which took some time and some tripping and you know, all that, right? Yep. And as that happened, kind of into my mid later 20s, 30s, I can't point to like specific moments, you know, but like, there is this period of which like you learn the things that you are missing as they are missing. And you figure out ways I think like you have to figure out ways to like let some of those things
Jesse French
Mmm.
Cody Buriff
happen, you know, let yourself engage some of those things, whether it's work or hobby or whatever. Ideally, you know, I know today, like people shift careers, like often like normal is to have multiple different career paths in your life at this point. And that's not a bad thing. Like that's actually like potentially a really good thing where people shift from like one job to another that used to be like, kind of looked down on.
Like you can't commit, but I think there's actually a reality of like, no, we need to like, as you discover who you are, as you, you know, you make space for that.
Jesse French
I really, really appreciate your language around you saying, as I got to know myself better, because I think that's an important shift of some of your discovery of what I hear you saying is it is not just these external activities that there's some degree of enjoyment. But when you say, I got to know myself more suddenly to me, that feels like a shifting of it's not just an external activity. No, it's actually, this is part of who I am. Like.
There is a deepening sort of discovery of that, that there's some part of the fabric of who you are that these areas need to be interwoven. And so it feels to me much more important, much more kind of connected to who you are rather than, know, I just enjoy working hard and getting my hands dirty.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, totally. just wonder how many guys have cut off parts of themselves. Sure. Because they were told that they needed to pick a lane and stay in the lane. Jesse, I'm curious for you. Like, I know you've had a, you know, a bit of a roller coaster of life, you know, and in some of those ways, what does that look like for you?
Jesse French
Yeah, I think when I think about the pick a lane and you talked about just having so much kind of energy at that, you know, that twenties phase of life of just like hard charging, going after something. And, know, people who've listened to the podcasts have heard Chris Bruno talk about, right? Like this is kind of that warrior phase of life where you're like, man, let's go take the hill, you know, type of mentality of, which is good, right. And is needed. But I think for me, there's been more.
I would say probably in the last like five or 10 years, more of the, recognition of, you you said discovery and learning about yourself. And I would say for me, like saying, man, these are some of the spaces for me around the like writing and putting words together around being in certain physical landscapes that just feed my soul.
I think I have felt more interest in like, how are those woven together? And to have, instead of like, Hey, this is the siloed time where, I get up to the mountains and fish, and this is the siloed compartmentalized time where I write to say, no, what, like, what does it look like to have more of that connected and not just, this is Jesse at the office and this is Jesse, you know, on a Saturday morning, but to say like, what could some more connectivity and integration of that look
Cody Buriff
Yeah, that's good.
Jesse French
And that's like super in process, right? Very, very much kind of a newer thought. But yeah, but I think some intrigue around that.
Cody Buriff
Yeah. So what I hear you saying is like, there are different parts of you, like that are maybe internal parts of you that show up in external situations, you know, fishing, writing at the office, whatever, you know, probably with your wife or with your kids. And, and what I hear you talking about is like, not necessarily flipping those on and off depending on where you are, but actually finding ways to keep all those things on to a degree and kind of like.
Yeah, you use the word integration.
Jesse French
I think that's a good way to put it. think the contrast away from the flipping of switches and more towards there is greater awareness of this is who I am, right? Even like the writing piece of me is still present, you know, as I'm with my kids, right? Even if I'm not writing, right? Like that is present. There's an awareness of that. You're laughing because like Cody and I work together. And so he gets the
He has to receive like be on the receiving end of a lot of random thoughts that I have. there's certain words that I get like hung up in a good way of like, I love this word. And the word that I've told you a bunch of times that has a bunch of resonance, think that connects to this is like, is this idea of confluence? Like when we think of rivers or streams of like the point of confluence of like the point of coming together. Yeah. That notion has just held intrigue and held like, and I think some of it too, one of the ways that we talk about it, restoration project.
actually in some of the spaces with dads and sons and sons entering rites of passage into manhood is, because we talk about integrity and that word, right? We really try to say like, Hey, this is integrity in connection kind of to the integer math connection of a whole number. Like integrity is the sense of being whole, right? Like I have a sense of who I am and can be whole in these different places in life.
Cody Buriff
Instead
of being dis-integrated. That's right.
Jesse French
That's right. That's right. There's a, maybe there's one story that I've appreciated. There is an author named Chris Dombrowski. I've read a bunch of his stuff and really appreciate his skill. And he is in the unique position of he is a writer and he teaches writing at the university of Montana during the school year. And then he's a fly fishing guide in the summer. And so I've heard him talk about like, especially as he was in kind of his, his younger years of feeling like,
The fishing space and the writing space are huge areas of passion for him and feeling the tension of like, man, do I need to just pick a lane and be like, man, I just need to do the prof thing or I just need to do the writing thing or I need to just do the fishing thing. And he talks about the guy who wrote Irving runs through it. A guy named Norman McLean who would come to Montana in the summers and fish and then go back to Chicago and be a professor. And McLean says like, in some ways that was this recipe for schizophrenia. Like there's such this.
crazy context switching. And I'm not quoting him, I'm paraphrasing, but like what Chris Dabrowski says is his settling in his discovery in his own life of both of these spaces have to be present in my life. And yes, from the external, they are very, very different. And yet in order for him to be whole in some of what his to do right is to say, nope.
Cody Buriff
Yeah.
Jesse French
Those are integrated. have to be able to embrace. And that's him from an occupation paycheck sort of perspective, right? Same with Taylor as he's talking about, you know, do dad in the crafting of that. But I think that integration and that process of saying, this is part of who I am. There has to be space carved out in my life for that. It feels so important, so important in our journeys.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, wonder what we would say to guys. So what I'm aware of is like, okay, some guys are able to find a space, like vocationally, where they can integrate all of those things or most of those things. Yep. And it gets to flow out. So like even for me right now, like I get to take guys out into the woods, I get to do a ton of graphic design and you know, different things and I get to develop some of RP's like swag, right?
And I get to be a part of like meaningful moments with individuals and groups of men. There are a lot of guys who just frankly don't have that opportunity, like aren't able to do that in the same way vocationally. And yet I think there is still an element of being integrated in what you're doing that lets some of those parts of you come out.
Jesse French
Yes.
Cody Buriff
Any thoughts on what that might look like or how to even just engage life that way?
Jesse French
Yeah, that's a really good question. Cause I'm with you in some ways I feel so, so lucky and fortunate that my occupation weeds a bunch of those spaces together. I mean, I think my mind goes to the place of as men consider the places that are important in their life, the places where they come alive or time stills, right? Like where there is a sense of permission and freedom.
I think my mind goes to, if those are not present or able to be woven into the bulk of your days, you know, from maybe from a job standpoint, like what does it look like to recognize and to honor like the pursuit of those spaces from something deeper than, this is just something that is fun that I enjoy, but more no, I need to go and spend some hours in this realm because there is a part of me that is able to come out.
It feels like there's some honor around that of this is deeper than entertainment. And my mind would go, if there can be some acknowledgement of what those spaces, I would then have the curiosity of like, well, what parts of you are brought out in that space, right? Like what are the elements of that realm of fill in the blank, you know, woodworking, you know, music, whatever that is, right. That says like, what parts of you are invited by that and that I wonder.
maybe gets into some of the more of the integration of that, more of the kind of valuing of that, especially if that isn't present in a guy's occupation. Like, how would you answer that? Because I think it's a really good question.
Cody Buriff
Totally.
Yeah. And it can be a really hard question. you know, I think of, know, I know a guy who's a mechanic and like, so he spends all day like changing oil and changing breaks and change, you know, whatever. Right. And that's can be very narrow. Now, granted, like he's doing that job, you know, for him, at least like he's doing it and he enjoys it. Like he's good at it. He likes it. Right. And like you can't like sit down and, you know, like write poetry or something while you're
Sure. It changes somebody's will. But he is able to engage like his craft as a craft. Not just as a J.O.B. but like, no, I'm going to do this well. Even if this person never sees it. can see it and I can enjoy that it's done well. know, God sees it. God appreciates it. He enjoys it. You know, he can have conversations with customers where he's engaging them in ways that
Maybe people otherwise can't, like especially if it's like your car is broken down, like that's a bad day. you know, like I'll be honest, yesterday I was sitting in a tow truck with a guy. not where you're be. Third time this summer. And I'm talking with him and it's like, yeah, he's been driving a truck for the last 15 years. But like, he gets to be with guys on potentially like the worst day of their year. Yeah.
Jesse French
you
Cody Buriff
They've
just gotten in an accident or they've just like their car broke down or whatever right and maybe they're ticked off or maybe that you know, but like there are just elements or ways in which like our Hearts can bleed out the things that we're gifted in can bleed out even if it's not necessarily in a in the like checklist of what we're supposed to do for our job
Jesse French
Yeah. And I think also connected to that, right? That phrase, kind of our hearts can bleed out. I love that because it, is acknowledging, right? There is like bleed and transfer and overlap, of course, right? In these different spaces. And so the way that we show up at our job with our kids, with our wives, with our friends, right? Of course is influenced.
by the different spaces that we have in our life, right? And so it is, you know, kind of to that point, it's more than just, hey, this is entertainment, right? It's like those spaces that are an expression of who we are at a fundamental level, there is going to be this natural, wonderful bleed in the presence and in the way that we show up in those different spaces.
Cody Buriff
Totally. And that's somewhat what think Taylor talks about in his interview. He gets into that a little bit more. One of the other things I noticed in that clip, Jesse, is it starts off, he's talking about how as a kid, he got this camcorder and was filming BMX stuff and all that, right? Yep. And it's interesting, I think for a lot of guys, we have a hard time even naming or discovering what is it that is in us that is our gift to the world.
in some of those ways, especially for, you know, working at J.O.B. as opposed to like maybe our calling, if you will. I think what it occurs to me is like, if we think back to like the things that we did as children, as young boys, as young men even, that made us feel alive, that made us come alive in really good ways, you know, where we were creating, where we were, we were actually working for fun.
You know, as he's filming DMX and editing and all this, like he's actually doing work. And for the love of it, for the joy of it, you know, it's like, as Jesse, if you think back to your childhood and some of the things that you engaged in that were fun, that brought you life, maybe they were work actually. And then you think about now as a man.
Jesse French
Yes.
Cody Buriff
You know, and ways that you can look back and see some of those elements of your life. Maybe not exactly the same things, but elements of that leaking out into who you are now. What do you notice?
Jesse French
Yeah.
Yeah, man, there's, there's a lot that could and should be kind of explored there. think the thing that comes to mind first for me is, man, as a little boy, like there was just this palpable exuberance to who I was. Like I use the phrase, I really did feel like life was like this kind of wet rag that was like, man, let's just ring that for like every little ounce of goodness volume connection exuberance, right?
And that part of me, right, is here with me now, right, as a 38 year old. And so just even thinking about that, I'm like, man, the spaces of, I'll use that word, like of exuberance, of unfiltered connection, volume play, like those areas are some of my favorite. so recognizing that was, that was true as a young boy and is true today. And I think there's been some awareness of like, those are important, right? Not just in the nostalgic, like,
man, those are some good days as a seven year old, like, no, those are good days now. And kind of the learning and honoring around that from when I was younger.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, I'm to give you a word. Revelry. Yeah, feel like when you're describing that like seven year old and frankly, like when I think about who you are as a man today, revelry is one of the top words that I think people would ascribe to you. Like you revel well, and it's really fun and really good to see that kind of bleed out of you for sure. Yeah.
Jesse French
Yeah, that's a good one.
Cody,
as guys are listening to this Cody, and we're inviting this consideration of who we were as we were younger. Like what are some initial questions or maybe just some entry points for someone that's like, huh, that's a new thought. Or, know, they're inviting this greater integration confluence around who we are and specifically looking at who we were as younger as the really helpful clue kind of perspective around that.
Where else does your mind go, Cody, for some of that continued reflection around that?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, I think for me, one thing I like to do and like to encourage other guys to do is actually if you're sitting down and actually trying to like give some intentional time towards that, I actually like asking it as a question directed to God. You know, God is fully aware of our story. He's fully aware of how he's wired us, how he, know, all of the things right. And so even as asking him like, OK, Lord,
Who am I? Who was I as a kid? What have I forgotten? You know, where were the moments where I felt most alive in really good and healthy ways? And how does that or how could that leak out now? As I'm an adult, as I'm a 35 year old, as I'm a 40 year old, as I'm a, you know, 60 year old, whatever, like starting to engage in that way and just asking God, creating space for him to remind you of things. To remind you that you loved
riding your bike around and why you loved riding your bike around. wasn't the riding of the bike, but it was the discovery and the exploration. Or maybe it was the, you know, why did you love building tree houses? You know, and it's like the craftsmanship and the adventure of trying something new and, you know, creating something awesome to enjoy, know, like whatever the things were, you know, for you as a kid, like why were those things?
Why did they bring you life? What was really going on there for you?
Jesse French
That's really helpful to say it is like, look at the what of the activity and to ask that deeper question of why that was important and what we might say, right? Like what was formed in that, right? What did that experience form in us? And I'm glad that you said that too of the interaction with God, like the conversation around that, right? Believing that again, like we say this all the time, like all humans.
bear the image of God, Reflect a portion of God's character. And so to go to, we believe that our lives are masterpieces, right? That that actually is work of the master. So I love that you said to actually return to him and to wonder like, Lord, you did make us and you know, all of the intricacies, the complexities and the layers and the beauty there. What might I remember again? What might I discover again in terms of how, of how you made us?
Cody Buriff
Good.
Yeah. It's like, knows all the parts. He knows the like for you, the fly fishing part and the writing part and the revelry part and all those things, you know, and how those came to be and like how to be alive as Jesse French.
Jesse French
Yeah. Yeah. Cody, I want to ask around what words might you say towards, I will language it like an experimentation around integration. Like as there is some acknowledgement of like, Hey, this is central to who I am and some of the greater awareness of these different parts within our life. What would you say in terms of.
those of us that want to experiment with that and lean into that in some intentional ways, what words would you offer for that process?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, let me step back and give maybe even a little bit more of an answer than you're asking. Great. Do it. What comes to mind as you ask that question is the reality that like, for a lot of us, some of those key ways in which we reflect the glory of God, the key ways in which we can bleed out that glory in ways nobody else can, we're come against. you know, and so
For example, like for me, I'm aware that as a little kid, like we're going back to like six year old Cody, like I was super affectionate. I liked to kiss people. And there were some, you know, there's plenty of story and jokes and things around that. But when I realized that, when I think back to like, okay, like six year old Cody was an affectionate person. And I got in trouble for that sometimes.
And the whole world around, you know, manhood and masculinity, you know, offers this caricature of like, affection is not masculine, you know, is the message. So you don't show affection, you don't, you don't have an open heart to people. You don't offer that, you know, generosity and kindness and those, you know, no, you need to have like a callous to keep yourself from getting hurt. You need to like, show up and shut up and
You don't behave that way as a man. Right. And I think for a lot of us, like it may not be like the affection, right? There's a hundred different things that are part of us from you. Maybe it was the revelry and you were told like, Hey, Jesse, be quiet, you know, like, you know, whatever, you know, we experienced those messages, those attacks on our glory and parts of our glory. And so I think for me, what I'm aware of as I am rediscovering some of those things about myself,
and trying to experiment and kind of integrate them back into my life. It's actually really hard sometimes. Sometimes it's fun. And, you know, like there are things you can do that are kind of risky or whatever, but like entering back into something that brought you life and wasn't, you know, you can do it a little bit easier, but some things were really come against. And so you're fighting a battle to make that happen. so baby steps sometimes are needed.
Jesse French
Yeah.
Cody Buriff
Sometimes we gotta take a little baby step into like, okay, I'm gonna test this out for a second intentionally with this safe person or whatever. On the flip side, other times like drastic measures are also needed. some total opposite ends of the spectrum. And, you know, you gotta like figure that out, but like sometimes you gotta like make big action, big aggressive movements to reclaim something.
Jesse French
are very different.
Cody Buriff
And maybe you gotta take a baby step before you can do that. It's not like a formula or whatever. But that's what I would say is like, sometimes it's a baby step, sometimes it's big. And we gotta experiment. We gotta test it out and try it.
Jesse French
Yeah, well said. As you said, because the image of God is at stake, right? Because there is this expression of who the living God is and the potential for that to be offered in more beautiful ways, there is contending against. And so the stakes matter. It's far deeper than just you being able to like get your hands dirty working on your Jeep, right? Like there's actually the deeper stakes of who you are and who God is, right? That is imaged by that. So.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, that's good. Jesse, let me ask you this, circling all the way back to interviewing Taylor, right? To interviewing Dude Dad. When you think about your interaction with him, maybe in the interview or even outside of that, like what was fun about interviewing him? What has been fun about interacting with him? And what would you tell people about tuning in, checking out the Restorative Manhood Summit and specifically even the interview with Dude Dad?
Jesse French
Yeah. I would say one of the really fun and meaningful pieces of that conversation that had with Taylor, that'll be part of the summit was it felt like there was more of like Taylor, the human, and not like I'm best friends with him at all. I don't want to say that, but like, you know, our family has loved watching his videos, right. And you know, the Taylor as the really successful dude dad person, but to be able to have a conversation where he's talking about.
Hey, this is my wrestling with the like pickle lane with the, is valuable to me and I'm going to go pursue it. Like I'll just leave the teaser. Like there's some awesome hilarious pieces of like, Hey, we tried this as a business venture and didn't work. Like, but I think just some of the discovery around that felt like a gift of, here's a fellow human. Here's a fellow man, right? Who yes, is now very successful and yet to be able to hear the struggle.
of pursuing that, even just the wrestling right now, right? Of like, there is a degree of success and how do we navigate family and being a husband and all of that. I just was grateful for that of his honesty, his vulnerability in some of those spaces, which is part of the reason why it's placed in the summit, right? Of as we were talking about this larger category of restorative manhood to say,
Part of that, of course, is to be able to give honest language to the struggle, right? To the reality of where we're at. And hopefully someone who, from the external is incredibly successful, someone modeling that, I hope, gives us the encouragement in our own lives of the necessity of that, right? And the beauty of that. He talks towards the end of our conversation, really, I think in some hopeful ways around the way that we talk about around brotherhood.
and deep relationship with other men and why that is important and why that's important in his life. So yeah, it felt like a deeper and a different conversation, right? Then like, Hey Taylor, how do I grow my YouTube channel to be, you know, 5 billion subscribers, right? Like, and so, so really grateful. And maybe the last thing I would say is a couple of times as I've gotten to know him, that is a true representation of who he is. As I've spent time with him, that pursuit of honesty and generosity with who he is is
I've experienced that in other ways too. Tune in.
Cody Buriff
That's
Yeah. Well guys, if you're interested and want to hear his interview, you can sign up for the summit. It is completely free and we highly encourage you to sign up soon and invite your friends. Dang it. It is, you can go to the website, the webpage, RMDSummit. It is restorationproject.net/RMDSummit, which stands for restorative manhood digital summit. Go there now, sign up for free.
and invite your friends. It's going to be awesome.
Jesse French
Yeah. Cody, thanks. Thanks for the conversation. Great to be with you,
Cody Buriff
Definitely. Thank you, Jesse.