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Kimberly Turner shares her powerful journey from childhood sexual abuse to healing through faith. After years of trauma and carrying heavy secrets, she discovers how God helped her trace painful family patterns and break generational curses. Her r...
A faith-forward podcast for people who love Jesus but also love being honest about how weird and wonderful life can be. Hosts Kerrye and Jill tell stories about the Bible, talk about their faith, and dig into what it looks like to follow God through the ordinary chaos of everyday, imperfect life. Real conversations. Real stories. No pretending to have it all together. Pull up a chair, turn the page, and let's go.
Speaker A: She's convinced we're never gonna show it.
Speaker B: I said if I pass away, she can make the decision. But they're in the archives forever.
Speaker C: Fair enough.
Speaker A: Fair enough.
Speaker C: Whatever.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Thanks.
Speaker A: Is that. No, no.
Speaker B: Are you okay? Okay. All right.
Speaker C: Thank you.
Speaker B: All right. He has been very sick, like, coughing. And I don't think it's just allergies, but I'm the mom, so.
Speaker C: Well, okay.
Speaker A: Did you find our opening?
Speaker B: Did you hear that, Tal?
Speaker C: That.
Speaker B: I don't think it's allergies. I think you're really sick.
Speaker A: No, you won't.
Speaker B: Listen, he'll hear it later.
Speaker A: He'll do it when he edits.
Speaker C: No, I didn't.
Speaker B: So you want to introduce it?
Speaker A: I don't have.
Speaker B: We don't ever have the same introduction. We want to, but where's.
Speaker C: Y' all need to have a. A good cold open.
Speaker A: That's what I mean. We have.
Speaker B: We did, and we can't find it now. We deleted it somehow. But we had this beautiful.
Speaker A: We recorded it once. So if we can clip it off of, like, that first episode.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: And then just add it, it'll be great.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Okay, so we'll just. All right.
Speaker A: Do you want to be called Kim or Kimberly?
Speaker C: I do prefer Kimberly.
Speaker A: Okay, perfect.
Speaker B: Okay, if.
Speaker C: If you can't. No. If you slip and it's. There's Kim, it's fine. I'm not.
Speaker A: You're not gonna look at me and be like.
Speaker C: Not, girl.
Speaker A: I said Kimberly. Okay.
Speaker C: All right.
Speaker B: Okay. Well, this is Jill and Carrie with chapter and verse, and we are here today with Kimberly Turner, and we're excited to hear her story. And we're going to turn the page.
Speaker C: That's what we always say.
Speaker B: Turn the page.
Speaker C: Perfect. I love that.
Speaker B: So, Kimberly, I'm so excited to have you on.
Speaker C: I'm so excited.
Speaker B: But we're just gonna dive right in and tell us a chapter in your story.
Speaker C: You know, I have one of those testimonies. I call it a cringe testimony.
Speaker A: Nothing's cringe.
Speaker C: You know, the first little bit of it, you're like. But it plays out into this beautiful story that really. I didn't see the whole thing. And I still don't see the whole thing. But I didn't see the whole thing. I didn't get to piece it all together until I wrote it down or typed it out. I do. I write and type. Just whatever mood I'm in. See, on these, like, I've got a
Speaker B: little bit of both.
Speaker C: But as I was typing it out, it was like a release and all of a sudden, I could piece together everything, and it was just. It was so cool. And my degree is in history. I do like to. I love that research. That's just me. That's who I am. And I love the. The red string, you know, just connecting everything, right? Yes, man. That's. That's my jam right there. So. To do it with my own story was an interesting twist for me.
Speaker A: A little cathartic.
Speaker C: It was. Yeah. Big words today. Sorry. Big words in our chapter here. No, it was. And every time I retell this, I tell it from a different point of view. It's like God reveals a different angle from it. And this angle was quite interesting. Carrie texted me last night, and I was like, yeah, I can be there. What do I talk about? And this whole time, it was like. God was like, it's your testimony.
Speaker A: You need to talk about you. And I was like, no, no, no.
Speaker C: And then I have to let go of that and just realize that it's not. This is not my story. This is God's story. Right. And he needs it to be told. And because there's other people that are dealing with maybe not the same thing that I went through, but hurt of some sort. And you're just a minor player. I really am. And I would rather stay that way at all times.
Speaker A: Same.
Speaker C: And I. That's why I don't mind telling this from that standpoint. But, yeah, I'll. I'll dive in. I think I. Sometimes I talk a little bit to skirt around the first bit of my testimony, because it's the first part. And I told you earlier, I was like, it's gonna. It may come out robotic, and that's okay. Once I get past that, I'll have more feelings with it.
Speaker A: Totally fine. However, is the most comfortable for you.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: Just, you know, roll with it. We're easy.
Speaker B: I know you are.
Speaker C: I know it doesn't make it any easier to talk about it.
Speaker B: Yeah, true.
Speaker C: Now with y'.
Speaker B: All.
Speaker C: Yes, I can. I'm good here. But, yeah, I'll stop beating around the bush. I'll just dive right into it. When I was six, I unfortunately had a cousin who became interested in sexual things that he shouldn't have at his age. I believe he was eight at that time, he began sexually molesting me. There's just. Every time we came over, we got together, which was often because our family was close at that time. This went on for two years, and he. It turned into more of a. An aggressive thing, you know, at first it was like, obviously, it was just curiosity. And then it turned into the, you know, aggression. And he would say things like, you cannot tell anybody. Threats, you know, would. Would come with this. And then it would turn into, if you tell anybody, I'll kill myself in front of you. And so, I mean, this was just thinking back on this, I'm like, how did you know? Six year old, seven year old.
Speaker A: How do they come up with this?
Speaker C: Well, like, from my point of view, how do you carry that, you know?
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker C: How do you process with that?
Speaker A: And how do you keep it just to yourself?
Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And I did. I mean, I was, I was scared, terrified. Whatever other word you want to put there that's. That's bigger than that is. That's how I was. That was very hard, very heavy burden, especially for that age.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And it's funny, I can almost tell this story as though it's not about me anymore. It's like I'm telling this about. It was like a different someone else.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Yeah. It's like I've, I've able.
Speaker A: It's not your girl anymore.
Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah. I'm able to disassociate, um, which is part of that, that healing that that came. Um, but unfortunately he did wind up committing suicide. He was 12, I was 8. Um, and that night is like forever in my memory. Um, it was thunderstorm night. I. It was spring break, so that was either March, sometimes April. I don't remember when, when it was exactly, but I remember it was a stormy night and I had gotten this news and it was like I just remained quiet because.
Speaker B: How do I.
Speaker C: How did you process that at. Whether it came with that weight or not? How do you process that at the age of 8 that you have I. 12 year old cousin who is no longer with us because he took his own life and. But then you add the weight, the burden of what I had gone through, that trauma, plus the threats that came with it.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker A: And then it's like, I mean, perceived possible guilt.
Speaker C: Exactly. I did that. I carried some major guilt with that. Because then I started wondering, did I tell any. I don't, I didn't tell anybody, you know, and then, so that started. It was like mind games started.
Speaker A: 100.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: But that night I remember and I don't know how y' all feel about this. I told Kirk about this. Sorry I've dragged you into this, honey. I've told him about this before. And for the longest time, like thunderstorm, especially at night, just terrified me. And then it got to where I was like, okay, I could stand a thunderstorm. As long as I wasn't next to a window, it was okay. But I remember I had stayed the night with. Because this was my mom's side of the family. I'll try not to connect anyone too much.
Speaker A: Gotcha. So protect the innocent. Yes.
Speaker C: Yeah. So anyways, I went and stayed with someone on my dad's side of the family so that they could deal with. With this situation. And I remember that night, I was sitting on their couch. We were getting ready to go to bed again. I had remained very quiet through the whole thing. And I just remember it's kind of like this, but it was, you know, it's a window. And I just remember looking. And again, no one was in the. It was like no one was in the living room. I think they had gone to get me some sheets or something. And. And then they were getting their own children ready for bed. But I had looked out the window. Flash of lightning. And it was one of those where it like, lit up the whole front yard. And I saw him, like, at the end of the drive, and he was just standing there and he was just staring and, you know, so that flinched. And even at that age, I thought, okay, I'm just. I'm seeing things. Flash of lightning again. And he was right there at the glass. And I mean, I. What. That was the end of my silence. Like, that prompted the. The. I don't want to say scaredy cat in me. The. The fear. It was just. It was almost like that had came with a warning that still stay quiet, you know?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I have no idea what I saw. I know to see it twice and to question myself after the first time, but then to see it again the second time, to me is not like I didn't just make that up. Right.
Speaker A: That's significant.
Speaker C: Yes. Yes. So for the longest time, I had like this. I had so many fears. I had fears of thunderstorms, you know, and like, not just fears, but like, I, like, I can't breathe. Panic attacks, you know.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I better stick to my notes here because I'm going to get off track in a hurry. But I mean, yeah, this. This came with just almost unbearable weight. Now, let me add that at one point, I didn't grow up in church. That did not stop me from believing in God because I visited church often. But my mom's side of the family, there was someone that had, I guess, a skewed view of the Bible. And that prompted her to, I think, step away from church for a moment and rightfully so. Just because of what I've. I don't want to say rightfully so.
Speaker A: Understandably. Yes, yes.
Speaker C: And looking back at it now, I know that that's. That period, that's why we didn't go to church often, was because she was still dealing with who is God, you know, because she had this skewed view of him. He was more of a dictator in their life. And not. There was no this. He was a ruler.
Speaker A: But there was no love.
Speaker C: Correct. There was no love of God. And that's the lifestyle that she grew up in. And so anyways, we visited church. That didn't really. I wouldn't say attend, but that didn't stop me from believing in God. You cannot look at this universe and not believe in a higher power of some sort.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker C: You cannot look at the ground that we walk on and just everything and how it's pieced together. Even. Even at my seven, it was probably seven. Seven year old mind. You can't escape that. I mean, there's just. It's obvious, you know. Oh, maybe that's that childlike faith.
Speaker B: I don't know.
Speaker A: It's that little measure of faith that everybody's born with. Everybody's born with.
Speaker C: What is it about a court?
Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I think. That's what Brother Dean says about a court.
Speaker C: About a court. So I had reached out to God, but I. I didn't know him at that time. That makes sense. He was also, in my mind, this kind of dictator again. But I didn't really know, like, he
Speaker A: didn't know enough for him to be mean.
Speaker C: Yeah, but just.
Speaker A: You weren't close. Yeah, you were just like, okay, he's there.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: He's in charge.
Speaker C: We were acquaintances.
Speaker A: Yeah, I knew of him.
Speaker C: I knew of him. Yes.
Speaker A: Maybe I'll talk to him. Exactly what happened.
Speaker C: Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, even at that age, not knowing who this God is, you still come to a point where you're like, okay, I've reached the end of me. I gotta find something else. Which is, I think where a lot of people come, they get into trouble because now they're. They're at the end of them.
Speaker A: Where do they go?
Speaker C: Where do they go from there? You know? So I did turn to God, but it was like a God. Make this stop. Like just. I just want out. I just want everything to end. Yes. And then whenever his life ended, you know, then it was like, now my view of, of God is dictator. You know, it's. And that. That was not God. That was the Enemy.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: He was playing those mind tricks on me.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: Yeah. And I. I hate that, that he does that. And he's so sneaky about it because people can easily get that wrong idea of who God is. Just, I mean, in a second, in a blank. Yeah, yeah. You know, they've prayed this prayer, and then all of a sudden it's.
Speaker A: It seems like it comes through, but it comes through in a way that you never would have thought.
Speaker C: Exactly.
Speaker A: Seem like it was a great idea.
Speaker B: Yeah. Like. Oh, no.
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker C: And I don't. I still don't understand that. That piece in it. That doesn't matter at this point.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker C: But they now, you know, I've got this weird view of God and it really. I drew away from him because I was like, oh, I don't know. You know, like, I asked for this and he gave me. He gave it to me. So I'm gonna step back over here and we'll just all from. From a respectful view.
Speaker A: You do you.
Speaker C: And I'm gonna do me, you know. Right. And so that's. That's how I. Moving forward after this happened. I'll just, you know, paint that picture. But I remember going on vacation with my. My mom and dad. I was like 10 or 11. I promise I'm going somewhere with this.
Speaker A: Yeah. This is exactly what we do.
Speaker C: Oh, good. Good. We had gone to Colorado, and Colorado will forever be, like, one of my favorite places because of this. But so, I mean, we're two years out from two, maybe three, from this tragedy that had happened in my family, and still no one knew what had gone on. Yes. What came with that? What was behind that? Not only was I still absolutely scared, I will also add that, you know, I didn't attend his funeral, so. Which I don't think it would have mattered because it was close. Close casket, but it was like I didn't have any. I don't want to say closure, but it was like I had nothing to make this real.
Speaker A: I guess it wasn't tangible.
Speaker C: Exactly.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And so even at one point, I was like, he's not dead. He's alive. He's faked his death and he's going to kill me. Like, he's here to, you know.
Speaker B: Well, then you've seen him. Yes.
Speaker C: Yeah. And so that's. That was the other thing.
Speaker B: That's the enemy.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those mind games. I mean, I can look back at it and, like, pinpoint. I'm like, oh, Satan, I see you there. I see you there. And now I can turn around and say, but I see God there and I see God there and. And he was there the whole time. I just, you know, I just didn't know it. I didn't know him. Yeah, but so I've have.
Speaker A: Here.
Speaker C: Here we are. I don't know how to get back on track now. I. I'm in Colorado and I just remember mom and dad had gotten. They were like looking at flowers or something, taking, you know, they. They took pictures of everything. Like. Like I want to say professional, but with a really nice camera. And I remember standing on a cliff and I'm looking at this massive. Just mountains everywhere. And at that moment it was like I real. I had like a piece just kind of hit me and. And it wasn't like at that moment, you know, it was. It was like a. That was a seed that was being planted. But I just remember. It's hard to put into words the realness of God. It was just so obvious just looking around and I was like, God created something so beautiful, so wonderful. It was like a. It was like a light bulb went off that, okay, maybe he is good and maybe there is evil, you know, it was like my brain had started to differentiate between the two and that was almost a. The beginning of a relief for me. So then on the way home. So we had stayed there for like a week, maybe more. This was back when you used to take like two week vacations.
Speaker B: You know, nobody has time for that now.
Speaker A: No one has time.
Speaker C: And we had been there for a while. But I remember on the way home, I would say, I would. I assume it was the Holy Spirit that hit me and I just had so much peace and joy and happiness and that burden was like, it was lifted off of me. Well, that started the healing process at that moment. But it was a, you know, if you do your psychology studies, there's the repression or I guess I don't want to say that wouldn't have been suppression. I guess it was, yeah, what I say, Regret, repression, repression. Yeah. And so it was like it was gone from my memory for several years, but then it started to dredge back up. My early teens, probably 15. And then I had to start dealing with it again. But I was dealing with it with. With God at that point. But still from. From a victim standpoint, you know, I had a lot of anger that. That came with it. And looking back at my teen years, I'm like, gosh, I was like, not only was I a brat, but I was just. I was a hurting brat. And no one understood that, right That I was hurting. Like, it was just.
Speaker A: I thought you had this very real wound.
Speaker C: I did. Yeah. And because of that, that has allowed me to look at people differently. You know, sometimes we meet not the nicest people. Right.
Speaker B: And everybody has a story.
Speaker C: Everybody has a story. Yes. And I try very, very hard to remember my story and that I had to go through it. And now I'm here in this chapter of my life, and only because of God did I get from there to here, you know, from A to B. And I have to remember that about people as well. Are we okay on time?
Speaker A: Yes. Oh, yeah, we're good.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker B: I'm just.
Speaker A: My phone's blown.
Speaker B: Oh, I see.
Speaker C: I mean, that doesn't stop.
Speaker B: Never.
Speaker C: Never. You know, never. His life. Let me see if I can get back on track here, because I was telling you this morning, like, I have a. Yes, good point. That I'm getting to here.
Speaker A: Wait, hold on.
Speaker C: Sorry.
Speaker B: Jill.
Speaker A: You got a preview.
Speaker B: I told you that we talked about.
Speaker A: I mean, I knew that you talked previously, but I didn't realize it was this morning.
Speaker C: No, I gave this to her as like a. Hey, is this okay? Yeah. To talk.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: All right.
Speaker A: I'll allow it.
Speaker C: Okay. Okay. Do you have Marco? Would you like me to start marking? Yeah, she does.
Speaker A: I do. You can totally. Marco, follow me anytime you want. As long as you're good with seeing me in pajamas, an occasional cat tail.
Speaker C: I love it.
Speaker A: Because, do you know, I don't wear
Speaker C: makeup a lot in mine.
Speaker A: Oh, I. I will usually have eye makeup on, but it's just pajamas.
Speaker C: That's okay. I'm okay with that.
Speaker A: Tal, you can cut that if you want.
Speaker C: Yeah. Or we can. It's whatever.
Speaker A: Or we can leave it. Yeah.
Speaker C: This is real.
Speaker A: Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker B: And what you were telling me this morning is, like, things you experienced. I don't know. You didn't tell me an age, you know, that you started experiencing the other. And so I don't know if that, you know, with your grandpa and I don't know what. When that started.
Speaker C: Yeah. So, you know, 15. I'm starting to have those. Those memories come. I mean, flooding back again. If you study the brain psychology.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: These are normal.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: These are normal things that one would expect with a trauma patient. Trauma victim, whatever. Yeah, trauma. Someone who carries trauma. I try not to call myself a victim anymore because I don't feel. Victim is victimized, you know, but at
Speaker B: the time, you still were.
Speaker A: Yeah, certainly you were then.
Speaker C: Sure. Sure. And it was maybe that same time frame 15, 16. Somewhere in there that it's like, I started to figure out that, okay, where did he learn this from? You know, this had to have come from somewhere.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: There's a root.
Speaker B: That's what I had the thought of was like, who's doing this to him?
Speaker C: There's a. But at that age of, you know,
Speaker B: six, seven, you wouldn't think.
Speaker C: You wouldn't think about.
Speaker A: No.
Speaker C: Where'd you learn this from? You know.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And. But at 16, obviously the brain is starting to develop a little bit more. But there's also that. That trauma healing that has started. And it. It stinks that that's part of the healing, that you gotta rip that wound wide open again.
Speaker A: It's surgery. It's like emotional and psychological surgery.
Speaker C: It really is. But who knows that? I mean, at that age.
Speaker A: Certainly nobody at that age. And when you're in the middle of it, you don't realize what you're doing. You're just like, why do I have to do this?
Speaker C: Yes. And. But I started figuring out just, you know, I'm like, I'm tracing back that. That red string, if you will. And. And I. I've got it pinpointed to someone who. I just. In my spirit, I kind of think that this was God. That, like, I don't think it was. I don't believe I'm smart enough to go back and piece these things together.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker C: I think this was something that God had revealed to me. And I do believe a hundred percent that I know who is behind this, which is also, unfortunately, the same person that was gave the skewed view of their Bible learnings, you know, to my mother. And so we've. We've got this. This person who's. I was very angry with this person. I mean,
Speaker A: livid.
Speaker C: I remember at one point even saying, like, I cannot wait for this man to die because I will dance on his grave. And after I said that, I was like, like, whoa. That was. Where did that come from? And it was at that point that I realized maybe I should. Maybe I should start trying to forgive them. But at that time, it wasn't even a. Like, forgive wasn't even the right word. I. Maybe I was like, I just got to figure out a way to get away from them and get over this. It wasn't until much later, unfortunately, like, into my adult life that I was. That I finally figured out, after becoming quite close with. With God, learning who God is and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and how to go to each one of them and. And how They're. They. Each role that they play in my life, you know, and. But which is amazing in itself that I could even get away from all of that and. And still wind up in the arms of Jesus and at his feet. I mean, how does that even happen
Speaker B: as he pursues us?
Speaker A: Grace.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker C: Yeah. Because realistically, I should not be here. I should not be in church. I should not be.
Speaker B: Yeah. You have every reason to be mad and turn your back on everything.
Speaker C: Yes, yes. Yes. And that's the. That's the reason why I want to tell my. My story. I don't want to. If I'm being very honest, I would much rather just.
Speaker B: You're being obedient.
Speaker C: I am. I'm being obedient because I know that. That someone else can very much benefit from this. That there is healing. God is good. I mean, God is love. And it's. If you'll just let go and surrender. Even when it doesn't make sense, even when you feel like he's the reason for all of this, he's not. Because remember, we live in a world of good and evil, and you can't
Speaker B: attribute the evil to God.
Speaker C: No, no. And once you can figure that out, once you can start making those connections, you'll go places. I mean, and the devil's gonna do all that he can to keep you blind and keep you from seeing that. And that's gonna be things like pride or anger or you're. You know, you feel justified to. To be this way. You know, I'm this way because I'm hurt. Right. Excuse me.
Speaker A: You know, valid.
Speaker C: Exactly. Exactly. And if. If Satan can trick you into having those thoughts rather than handing them to God and letting God handle the situations, I mean, that's where we are today.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Well, and it's one thing to say, you know, the hurt is valid. The blaming of the sovereign is not. Sure, you know.
Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A: You can. You can have valid hurt. It's not okay to put that on God.
Speaker C: And.
Speaker A: And when you realize that that's where God can stand, start to heal that hurt and be like, okay, now just
Speaker C: give it to me.
Speaker A: Yes, give it to me. It's not mine. Yeah, but give it to me and then you'll be better.
Speaker C: That's good. It's not mine, but I'll still. I'm gonna take it anyways.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Wow, that's good stuff. That's. I always say you can preach on that. I'll find little nuggets here and there that I'm like, preach on that. Turn a whole sermon into that.
Speaker A: To your notes.
Speaker C: I certainly will.
Speaker A: I give permission.
Speaker C: Thank you. And I'll even put a sidebar nuggets from Jill. But once I. I came to the realization of people, okay. I'm like, okay, I have hurt. It's valid. And that turned me into kind of a monster for a moment. I mean, I. I would rather just not even talk about my teen years because that was a bad, bad time of.
Speaker B: It'll be next time, next chapter.
Speaker C: Oh, I'd rather skip it for now. Yeah, skip it. If we can just rip that chapter out, I'll be okay with that. Such a. That was just. That carried a lot of shame and guilt and, you know, all the things that chapter did. But, yes, that's. That's for a different day. But I started connecting. Okay, I'm hurting because of this. Where did his hurt come from? Right? This man. And then it was like a light bulb came off. And I started researching more into our family history, and I realized, okay, this man was raised by a drunk. And his mother. His mother was. She practiced sorcery, witchcraft of some sort. Like, there's. We have diaries of. And, like, she has. Like, she was doing things, and it was just insane. I mean, I remember reading these things, and I stood up and I walked away from the table for a moment, and I was like, I don't. I share blood, a bloodline with these people. And it was like. I don't know. It was like, just a door. Yeah.
Speaker B: And it's like a.
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: I just say, like, you have a. Well, I mean, this could get really blurry, but you have watchers, you know, in families, and they stick around until you tell them to go.
Speaker A: Yes, they do.
Speaker B: And break that. So.
Speaker C: Well, they're gone now.
Speaker B: Good.
Speaker C: Now that. That came to light, I mean, I walked away for a moment, and I was like. I just. I just speechless. And that was like a new. I don't know. I don't want to say hurt. It was just a weird feeling that I carried for a little bit. And then I remembered, oh, yeah, give it to God. Yeah. So I went and laid it back down at his feet, and. And that was something that he helped me get through. And again, he just shed light and helped me connect things. And then I started speaking over my bloodline and my. My children and children's children, you know, And I was. And then just. It was like. It was very real to me. That generational curse, broken, gone. That's no longer part of our bloodline. You know, it's Like. And it. I could even get into really blurry, weird things where I can show, literally from some of my test results, because, you know, I've dealt with thyroid stuff. I can show you from, like, test results where things have things shifted in my. My test results.
Speaker B: Well, we like to say blurry, but it's really not.
Speaker C: I mean, it's.
Speaker A: It's only blurry if you aren't looking at it.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: You gotta change your aperture.
Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
Speaker A: Sharpens right into focus. Yes.
Speaker B: So.
Speaker C: And it. That only happened. This is a very sidebar thing that only happened because I had laid my results next to one another, just trying to get a feel for my thyroid baseline. Yeah, yeah. You know, what's your clinical picture look like? Yes. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay, here's what it was before. Here it is now. And. And I was like, oh, yeah, everything's looking better. And then I was like, whoa, everything's looking better. And then it was like, I really started researching all of these things, and I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, this is not.
Speaker A: This isn't supposed to be better like this. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C: And. And then. I don't know, again, it was just something that the Holy Spirit just kind of instilled in me, that he was like, I changed.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: I. I healed, you know?
Speaker B: Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker C: Yeah. Yep. And.
Speaker A: And you have documentation to go with it, so.
Speaker B: Yeah, take that.
Speaker A: You know,
Speaker C: but seeing where this man came from, all of a sudden, it was like I had apathy for him. I was like, oh, I know why he's messed up. Yeah. I mean, you know, to put it lightly, like, I hate to say that so and so was messed up, but this dude's crazy.
Speaker B: I mean, he can see why. I mean, family was inviting in.
Speaker C: Oh, yes.
Speaker B: All the things. Yes, of course.
Speaker C: Yeah. And he didn't grow up with love of any kind. I mean, father who's a drunk just beat the snot out of him just for no good reason. And then a mother who's practicing witchcraft in their own house. Yeah. Where's the love in that? There's absolutely. There's no good and evil there. There is only evil in that picture. So now he has this also skewed view of good, of who God is. Right. And then he was drafted into the. The Vietnam War, and. Which I. I found out that right before, or I guess right after he was drafted, he. He was saved. But again, just based on what I'm looking at and. And what God has shed, I think that was more out of A selfish. Kind of like, I might die going to war. Right. Maybe I should surface. Yeah. Maybe I should just say the prayer. Yeah, say the prayer. Make sure I'm good, you know?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: So I don't think that was like a surrender. I think it was just a. Let me make sure that.
Speaker A: Check this box.
Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: But now while he was fighting in Vietnam, I can. I, you know, can read through letters and diaries and things like that and find that. Okay, he did start to become curious about God and he.
Speaker A: He
Speaker C: started diving deeper into his word. And even he himself was making connections because that's in some of his letters and in some of those diaries. So he was. Now he's having light shed on things and he's. Now he's seeing this.
Speaker B: This as it all goes back to. We're all given a measure of faith.
Speaker C: Oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker B: He had the same measure.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Everybody else does. But does it grow?
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: And.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Seek and you will find. So if you start looking, God will show up. He will show himself to you, man.
Speaker C: That is so true.
Speaker B: Yep.
Speaker C: But unfortunately, he. He was an artilleryman. Artillery man. I don't know. Artillery man.
Speaker A: Potato, potato.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: I'm sure somebody will let us know at some point six years from now.
Speaker C: Please be nice, people. Correct us politely. But he, he was shooting what's called a howitzer, I guess a 102M howitzer. And because. So here's your. Your history lesson for the day. Because we had gone to war so quickly and we were just, I mean, dumping men into this war, they were not getting the proper training because they were just like.
Speaker A: They were just warm bodies and uniforms. Yeah.
Speaker C: Here's your basic boot camp. Here's you a gun. Good luck, you know. And they were off to war. So they, they weren't properly trained certainly at that time. I would think there's no mental training either. But even if there was, again, there's no time for it. It was just get in, shoot and call it good. And because we didn't have the proper training, we didn't have the time. We didn't have the. The air support. Yeah. Air support that really we needed at that time. So now we're relying heavily on ground support and we are relying heavily on these men to. It was. For them, it was almost like, hey, the more bodies, the more enemy bodies, the better success we are. Right.
Speaker A: That's how they were looking at success.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Because there wasn't, from what I understand. I'm not a historian.
Speaker C: Sure, sure.
Speaker A: But from what I understand, there was never Really a clear identifier of what is our goal, what's our objective, and how do you measure success when you don't have a clear goal.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: And how did they.
Speaker C: Bodies, bodies, bodies. And then it was. It became. He was seeing that, you know, civilians, innocent civilians were now being killed and their bodies are being counted as enemy bodies. And so now he has also. He's a baby Christian who's come from a witchcraft family, an abusive family. Baby Christian does not really have an idea of what love, true love is. You have put him in charge of killing hundreds, and now he's finding out that he's taking innocent lives.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And the government is now sanctioning, or
Speaker A: like, not sanctioning it, but like, saying, that's okay. Approving.
Speaker B: Sure.
Speaker C: Yeah. And it's. But they're. They're skewing the numbers a little bit. They're, you know, now these innocent people are being counted as enemy.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker A: They're. They're manipulating data to make it look like we're winning when really we're killing people.
Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So what does that. What is that doing mentally to a person? And as a baby Christian who has no idea really what love is, what has that done to him mentally? So now God revealed these things to me and now have apathy. And I was like, I don't know if I want, you know, I don't have sympathy for this man. And I was like, what is happening? You know, And I was like, this is a man that I just absolutely loathed, hated, and I carried just such bitterness. And now God has shed light light on, okay, this is why he is the way that he is. Now, I will say that there's still no relationship there because he has a lot of pride. He's just that rooted in him. And it's not one that I've seen him pluck and get rid of or be willing to get rid of. He continued to dig into God's word and then he would. He was doing things that were changing, Twisting God's word, you know, his interpretation, right. Oh, no, no, no. I. I see that this is what it says, but this is what it really means. This is a metaphor for.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker C: This. Oh, I live with one of those. And now I still have sympathy for him because he's still, you know, mentally. There's just these burdens that He, I'm sure, is carrying.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And when you don't know love, you, I mean, don't really have a grasp on it. And you don't really understand, truly, who God is. It's very difficult to lay these things down at the feet of someone that you have no idea. Yeah. Who they really are and then trust them to take care of these things. So he's never done that in his life. So I do have sympathy. I'm still praying for him. I would love to see him have this turning point in his life and this new chapter. But for now, it's. I will pray from afar. Because while I still have nothing wrong with that, I mean, I still have sympathy, I do love him now, and I have truly forgiven him. And there are things that, you know, I've not talked about here that. That I forgave him for. That are major things. But if you're struggling with forgiveness of a specific person, specific issue, I would challenge you to, first of all, take it to God. Just be honest and say, look, I know that your word says we need to forgive, but I'm struggling with this. You see what they did to. You know, you saw everything.
Speaker B: And I've had those conversations. I didn't do anything.
Speaker C: I mean, they did.
Speaker B: I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker A: Why do I have to give?
Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A: I have to forgive. This is not okay.
Speaker C: Oh, for sure.
Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not going to be the one.
Speaker C: I've said that to him.
Speaker B: I won't be the one. And then guess who's the one?
Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
Speaker B: Because you give in when you're open to God, if you open yourself up. I mean, I've literally laid on the floor and been like, just do surgery. You know, I fasted. You know, you had to fast forward surgery anyway. Yeah, yeah, I just get it done.
Speaker A: She's NPO spiritually over here.
Speaker B: That's hilarious. But I have done that several times because I'm like, okay, I know it's gonna be me, but I can't do it. Yeah, you're gonna have to help me to do it.
Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's. It's not fun. No. But you get on the other side of that curtain and holy moly. Is it pretty, like, worth every. Every bit of it?
Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Speaker C: So it's just.
Speaker A: There's such a shift when you can get to the point where you forgive someone and you know that you have fully forgiven them because you can start to genuinely see them the way God sees them instead of the way you saw them in your heart.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Holy moly. Is that different, man?
Speaker C: You know when you have that. That moment and you're.
Speaker B: And.
Speaker A: And it clicks for you and you're like, oh, this is how you see them.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: Like, I still don't want to hang out with them, but I get it now.
Speaker C: Sure. Sure.
Speaker B: And I'm.
Speaker A: I'm good.
Speaker B: Yeah. We talked about this earlier, but, you know, God requires us to forgive, but he does not require us to have. Have a relationship 100%. So I think people get hung up on that.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: All God really requires of us is obedience. You know, the.
Speaker B: In.
Speaker A: That's it. We're required to forgive. We need to be obedient in our forgiveness. But unless God says, no, you need to have a relationship like, I want you to. To extend your olive ranch and go further than just forgiving. Like, nope. Yeah, you don't have to do that.
Speaker C: But if he asks you, then he's going to provide.
Speaker A: Exactly.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: Yep. You just have to have that dialogue with him and be like, I will be obedient. I need assurance that you are going to provide me with the tools required to do the obedient thing.
Speaker C: Right. Yeah. Yeah. You're still. You're still gonna walk with me, right?
Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm gonna need you to move my feet.
Speaker B: And I don't think he expects that. You know, just when you're thinking of surgery, you go through re. He knows you're not ready to go through another surgery.
Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
Speaker B: For a while, sure. You know, like. And there was a time in my life where I was like, I've had enough.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: Surgery for now. Like, I can't get back on that table for a little while. And he gives me time.
Speaker C: Recovery, rest and recovery.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: We're so medical today.
Speaker B: We are really.
Speaker C: You know, but, gosh, there's. There's peace and freedom. I mean, everything that God's word says is true with every bit of that. And I get to a point where sometimes I'm like, why did I have a moment where I didn't believe that you're.
Speaker A: For your word to be true?
Speaker C: I've seen it be true with everything else. Yeah.
Speaker A: You know, where does that doubt come from, Devil?
Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Speaker A: You know, but. Yeah, it's just, like, when do I grow up enough to know, like, just the first time you say it, it'll happen.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Sure. Now I am.
Speaker A: I'm still not there yet, But I
Speaker C: was gonna say, I am in a season where now I'm not perfect. I still have the moment, but I've been trying to catch myself because God says to take your thoughts captive, so I'm trying to do that. And I told him, I said, okay, I'm gonna do It. But I need your help. But I've learned to invite him into everything. I mean, everything. And it's like Kirk and I were tearing apart a shark vac. Not vacuum, like, steam mop the other day. We had to tear it apart, pull it apart to get to the inside so that we could clean it, because the steam mechanism thing was totally clogged. Oh, it was my fault. I didn't know that you couldn't put anything other than water in there.
Speaker A: Oh, man.
Speaker C: That's very much my fault. And I was like, I'm sorry. You know, and he's frustrated, and you know how it is with your spouse. Like, you're on the verge of divorce
Speaker A: when it comes to these projects.
Speaker C: And so I finally stepped in, and I was like, okay, it's gonna sound really weird. Can we pray over this? And he shot me a look that was like, get away from you. And I was like, I'm not being silly right now. Like, I. I'm being serious. We took a moment, we prayed over it, and the whole thing was we couldn't get. As. There were two screws that we couldn't get out. And it's. There are certain screws. He called them security bits. Security screws. And you have to have a security bit on all of these. You know, it all lines up perfectly. But his was too fat. It wouldn't fit down in there. And. And I'm staring at his tools, and I said, God, I think one of these tools will work. You've given me, literally, tools. Can you show me which one will work? And it was like, I. I reached. I remember going, this one. This one. And I finally got to one, and I cannot tell you what I reached for. I have no idea. It was some sort of a screwdriver. It was a tiny one. And I put it in, and it hooked perfectly where we had sworn that the screw was stripped and we were not getting it out. It hooked it perfectly, and it came out, and I. I was still twisting, and I was looking at Kirk with my mouth open, and I was like,
Speaker A: see, the mouth open part is where I would have been wrong, because the mouth open is like, can you believe this? Whereas I just know me in that moment, I would have been turning it, like, see? Mouth closed, smir fully present.
Speaker B: Nicer than you, Jill. She is.
Speaker C: Well, I did.
Speaker A: Like, who wanted to pray and who
Speaker C: didn't want to pray? Look at it. No, I did let him. I handed the screwdriver to him, and I was like, let him do it. Yeah. I said, try the Last one. I was like, just try it. Let's see. Hooked.
Speaker A: And it.
Speaker C: I mean, and he kind of did the same thing. He was like, this is like butter. And he said. And then we were talking about how dumb it was that you have to have a security bit, and those things cost, like, 40 bucks. And he was like, all of this is to keep all of your stuff secure so that not just a random person can come and strip stuff off of your equipment. And all it takes is this teeny, tiny, little bitty screwdriver that will, like, hook perfectly. And. And. And he was like, you know, he was just as. He was blown away. I have no idea if this will work any again. It may have just been a Holy spirit. We may try it again and be like, oh, it's not working.
Speaker B: But you invited him in.
Speaker C: I did, yeah. And it's. I've just learned to do that with everything of my life, or try to. I. I fail miserably at it. But at the end of the day, I do go back and think, oh, I could have invited him in here. I got frustrated here, and I didn't. I didn't even think to go to God. And that's just our. You know, that's our flesh, obviously. But I'm trying to fight my flesh. I'm trying to draw closer to God and just have that mentality. But I've also. I have grace with me because I used to get to where I was like, oh, you know, Kimberly, why didn't you do it this way? You know, you said that you were going to draw closer to God, and look at me. Here you are, you know, and so I was kind of kicking myself around and again. Which is their tactic of the enemy.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I'm telling you, whenever you can start seeing these things, you're like, I see you. I like, you have camo on, but I see you out there, you know, sniper rifle. I see you.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And. And then you can kind of. You can walk in the. If we're going with this weird theme, I guess, military theme that we're going to stay on.
Speaker A: Sure.
Speaker C: You can walk around in the wilderness with. With no weapon, knowing that there's snipers somewhere in the hill, and. And you can feel totally at peace and very safe in that moment and not have a fear in the world. And I have experienced those moments. Do I have them every day or every moment? No, but I've experienced them. I know that they're real, which makes me want more. And whenever you can just have. That just takes that One tangible moment is all that it is. Just have that one tangible moment. You're going to see how real it is, and you're going to. I really believe that. That you will start drawing closer, and he's going to start drawing closer to you.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker C: You know, but I guess the theme of today is grace and mercy and seeing people, yourself included, with the eyes of our Savior through that. That lens, I guess, filtered through the blood, if you will.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And I like that, man. That's good stuff. Comes from that.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: And, yeah, I even wrote down what you had said while ago, which was like, seeing others through. Through God, through that godly love. Like, that's not. You start to understand the true meaning of love, the true definition. And here lately, I've. I've been doing my own little deep dive of looking into Hebrew translations and the English dictionary. English words, they don't carry an emotion behind them. So a lot of the times it's hard for us to connect to God's word because there's no emotion behind the English words. But the Hebrew words, Roman, Greek, you start looking into those, and each one has a true meaning, definition behind it. So if you're curious with that, I would challenge y', all to anyone listening to, do your own research and. And dig into that so that you can start feeling, understanding the emotions that are behind God's Word. And I think that that will flip a switch with someone and just allow that connection to just take place.
Speaker B: There's always more to learn. Every time you open the Bible, like, yeah, things are like, I should have seen this a long time ago.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: But it's living. So you don't see it all the time. You don't. Can't.
Speaker A: It's pertinent to now also, like, relevant. Yeah.
Speaker B: Yeah. Well, we always end with asking a question. So we got a question for you. If you could go back and watch in real time any chapter in the
Speaker C: Bible, any Bible event, story. Yeah. What would you watch? We.
Speaker A: On the last one, we asked. Except the crucifixion, because I feel like fiction is kind of a. Yeah, everybody would.
Speaker B: I mean.
Speaker A: Or like the Resurrection. Except for, like, the. The Jesus Resurrection Easter story. Aside from that.
Speaker B: Because that is. I mean. Yeah, that would be almost everybody's answer. I want to see that
Speaker A: as much as I don't want to see it. I want to see it.
Speaker B: Yeah. It was hard to watch. I remember when, you know, I watched the Passion, I watched it one time. I don't think I could watch it again. Like, I'm Glad I watched it.
Speaker C: Sure.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker B: But, you know, they did a good job at portraying the crucifixion. I'm assuming, you know, like, from Bible stuff and. And studying about crucifixions. But I don't want to sit there and watch it all the time. It's just too hard to see.
Speaker A: So aside from that story, which one would you want to watch?
Speaker C: I do. I have a funny one, and it's one of my favorites. But it makes me laugh, and it shouldn't. It should not make me laugh. And I need to ask God to give me a better point of view on it. But it's Eutychus. When he falls out of the window, he falls asleep.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: And he listening to God's word, and he falls out the window to his death.
Speaker B: Never would have guessed that one.
Speaker A: You were wrong.
Speaker B: I guessed.
Speaker A: Watch would say, she had a guess.
Speaker C: What was it?
Speaker B: Creation.
Speaker C: Creation. Oh.
Speaker B: But I like that other one, too.
Speaker A: Yeah. You guys is great.
Speaker B: I think yours is gonna be very unique. I don't think anybody else.
Speaker A: Anybody is either. I would never have guessed that.
Speaker C: I just. But it makes me giggle every time. And I wish that I could paint a story, I think, in pictures more. So, like, 95% of what goes through my mind is pictures.
Speaker A: Visual.
Speaker C: Yeah. Or song lyrics. Disney quotes. That's how I live. My Is kindred. Yes. And, like, I will chuckle. It will be in the living room. Kirk is, you know, in a. Into a show, and I'm. Sometimes I'm not. But I just like being next to him. So.
Speaker A: Girl, that's my whole life. I don't get to choose what's on tv. I'm just hanging out with dude bro.
Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm okay with that.
Speaker B: He.
Speaker C: Sometimes he asks me what I want to watch, and I'm like, Ben never
Speaker A: asks me because he knows he'd hate it.
Speaker C: I always. He'll hand me the remote, and I always go, what is this exactly?
Speaker A: As a joke?
Speaker C: Like, I don't know how to operate this.
Speaker A: Are you leaving me?
Speaker C: Where are you going? Where are you going? No, but I just love to sit next to him. I just. I love to be in his presence. But I will start. I will not even be looking at my phone. I'll just giggle. And he's looking at the tv, and he's looking at me, and he's like, did I miss something? What was funny? And I was like, oh, it's something. It's the thought that I had.
Speaker A: It's just in my head.
Speaker C: Yeah. And he's like, go ahead, share. I want to know. So. And one night it was. It was Uticus. And I said, you know the story of Uticus? And he falls out the window and he goes, uticus? Is that how you say his name? And I was like, I think so. That's how I've been pronouncing it. So, yeah.
Speaker B: Hey, it's you, Tychus.
Speaker C: I'm just kidding.
Speaker B: I'm totally kidding.
Speaker C: Now forever, I'll be like, oh, no, no. How do I say it? Oh, man, Reddit never said it.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker C: But I said, I really wish that we could incorporate that into our play. And he was like, what? And I was like, no, no, just
Speaker B: hang with me the next practice.
Speaker C: I'm doing it.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. And I was like, hang with me. And I said, we could have a Uticus. We could have a double. Two guys dressed in the same costume.
Speaker A: The Ly Twins.
Speaker C: The Ly Twins. This is perfect. Might have to put a wig on them, maybe. I just saw David this weekend at Sight and Sound. So now I'm thinking, now you're like, got your. Yeah, Sight and Sound. And I was like, okay, so we can have one spotlight. He's at the window, and, you know, he's nodding, and then he can like, oh, kind of sort of fall. Spotlight goes off. Spotlight ground to crumpled version of Uticus. And I was like, it's super simple. Very like, just, we have a balcony.
Speaker A: Why wouldn't we?
Speaker B: I mean.
Speaker C: Yeah. And he was like, yeah, super simple, you know? And I was like, he's. He's the. The backhand, the back stage crew. And I was like, you could totally.
Speaker B: I mean, you've got kind of a connection to Crystal. So maybe she was, hello.
Speaker C: Yeah, I was like, work your magic.
Speaker A: We have some revisions we'd like to incorporate.
Speaker C: I have some ideas. And I was like, it's very simple. Just do it this way. And he was like, I mean, yeah, I guess that could work. And I said, but here's the. The part that makes me giggle is Paul. I just picture him running down the stairs like, oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, what have I done?
Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's the part that quit killing people. That's not supposed to happen anymore.
Speaker C: And, you know, and it's like with every step, that's what I'm. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C: With every step that he's going down. And finally he gets to him and he embraces him and he comes back to life and he's like, he's okay. Oh, thank God he's okay.
Speaker B: We have to do that as an object lesson in assignment or something.
Speaker C: Yes. And, you know, the Chosen kind of opened my eyes to the humor.
Speaker A: Yes. Yes.
Speaker C: Because you can read the Bible in almost. A dry.
Speaker A: Bible's funny, but the Bible's hilarious.
Speaker C: Yeah. And I'm like, okay. There's no context to it, but just because it doesn't, you know, it doesn't read like a novel. He said with gusto. You know, just because it doesn't read that way doesn't mean that's not how it played out. Right. And so I've learned to just kind of open my mind to it. And now this is.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: The picture that goes through my mind.
Speaker A: It's the picture that goes through my head now, too.
Speaker B: I will forever remember that now.
Speaker C: Yes.
Speaker B: Well, thank you for joining us. We want to have you back on definitely, 100%. So start preparing, because it's tomorrow. I'm kidding. I gave her so little notice.
Speaker C: This is good. Yes, I can do it.
Speaker A: Glad that we were able to get it in and.
Speaker B: Yeah, it was very interesting, man.
Speaker C: And you ladies are. Y' all carry knowledge that I just.
Speaker A: I don't know. I feel like we're. We're just rolling with it.
Speaker C: Oh, no. I mean, y' all have some. Some good stuff rolling around in your minds, and so I. I like being able to. To pick your brains with you. That's.
Speaker B: Well, then we may invite you on our next, like, Jerks of the Bible. We did our first one. Yeah, we did our first Jonah that. We've got more to talk about, so we may invite you as, like, a color commentary.
Speaker C: You know, we'll give you time to prepare. Well, and it's funny. Jonah was actually kind of one of the first ones that went through my mind when you asked me that. And I was like, I don't know. Do I really want to. Like what? I want to see Jonah. And then that's when I turned to Uticus. So it's funny that you bring up Jonah, because I was like, that was actually the first one that happened.
Speaker B: He's a jerk.
Speaker A: He was.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: But as we pointed out on that episode, we don't know nothing else is said about him, like, just this one little tiny chapter, this one story. And then we don't know. He just really turned around. Maybe he was, like, a great guy.
Speaker C: Sure. Maybe.
Speaker A: Or maybe he stayed being a jerk, and that's why we don't hear from
Speaker B: him, because we'll talk to him in heaven. I'm sure he's there.
Speaker C: Jonah, I have questions.
Speaker B: When Jesus came down to preach to the captives, I'm sure everyone's like, man, sorry.
Speaker C: Hey, I'll go.
Speaker A: Exactly. Hey, Jesus, I'm with you. I've been here long enough. Way longer than that. Three days in the fish's belly. Goodness, yeah.
Speaker C: Can I come with you? Will you let me go?
Speaker B: Please? You know. Okay, well, we're signing off now. Thank again.
Speaker A: We'll see you next time. I got to hit hit stop on our thing.
Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. I got cotton mouth, too.