Hey, everyone.
Shakyra:I'm Shakyra Mabone.
Jack:And I'm Jack Williams.
Shakyra:And welcome to Reelining It In, the podcast where we take a moment to reel in the best and worst film moments while keeping our commentary a % real.
Jack:And today, we're talking about Captain America Brave New World. Mhmm. And joining us today is Damonte. Hey, everyone. Nice,
Demonte:nice to be on. First, reeling it in episode, I'm I'm looking forward to it. So
Jack:Yeah. For sure. So let's let's grab that popcorn and reel it in.
Shakyra:Yeah. So me, Jack, and Devante decided to go see Captain America, Brave New World
Jack:Mhmm.
Shakyra:At, like, 09:00PM last night. Well, Sunday night by the time this, you know, gets dropped. But Yeah. It was really I don't know. It was a really great experience.
Shakyra:I have fun with the both of you guys. It's like the second time we went to the movies together, and Mhmm. It's always fun. It's always
Jack:a pleasure. That first time we saw, yeah, Wicked. And we did Glick It. We did Glick It.
Shakyra:I didn't do Glick It. I just did Wicked.
Jack:You did Wicked. DeMonte and I did Glick It.
Demonte:Did Glick It. Glick It was
Jack:that was a fun experience. I I liked it. Yeah. It was, it was nice to do that again after after Barbanheimer.
Demonte:Yeah. So many years Yeah.
Jack:But, yeah, Damonte, let's what are those thoughts? Let's hear them.
Demonte:You know, I love the movie. I know that's like a just a broad statement. Mhmm. I think, like, for just to provide our viewers and listeners, like, a bit of context, movie, part of the movie is about Sam Wilson who, in a Marvel Cinematic Universe, before Endgame, Avengers Endgame, he was Falcon. Mhmm.
Demonte:He's a Black Sphero, and now he's navigating, being the new Captain America after, Steve Rogers, retired. Mhmm. So but, yeah, I think, I love the movie itself. All of the critics and controversy surrounding the movie. I personally didn't see any issue of it with it.
Demonte:Mhmm. I didn't see any problems with the movie at all. Mhmm.
Shakyra:There's controversy already about it?
Jack:Yeah. Kind of it. Yeah.
Demonte:Yeah. It was, I think, honestly, just controversy even before the movie itself was announced. You know, there are, like, some things with they changed the title of the movie. Yeah.
Jack:What did it used to be?
Demonte:Yeah. I think it was called New World Order. Yeah. But, obviously, they they changed that. Yeah.
Demonte:Kevin Kevin Feige said, yeah, guys. You gotta change that. But, more so to controversy is, and, unfortunately, Sam Wilson or, the actor Anthony Mackie, playing a black Captain America. There's some people online saying there's no black Captain America. The only Captain America is Steve Rogers.
Demonte:If they read their comic books, they would know that there is a black Captain America, and that is indeed, Sam Wilson, once Steve Roger resigns. Not resigns, but retires. But, yeah, there's just controversy surrounding the movie itself. It has political undertones throughout the whole movie.
Jack:Lots of political undertones. Yeah. Which I think we should get into at some point. But
Demonte:Oh, yeah.
Shakyra:But before we get into it, to piggyback off the, you know, the controversy on how people said that, oh, there's only one Captain America, and he's a Caucasian guy. Mhmm. You know, I just don't understand why those controversies, you know, appear well, actually, I do. But it just, like, it just does not make sense because we've seen this before. You know, with Holly Bailey, The Little Mermaid as Ariel, everybody was so upset.
Shakyra:They felt like that Disney is going woke and things like that. And, you know, Marvel is a part of Disney and things like that. So they you know, when I say they, I mean, like, people, you know, the public and things like that. They constantly accuse being too woke just because they have, like, a African American actor. Like, I I or actress.
Shakyra:I just never understood that. You know, that's just, like, seriously?
Jack:Yeah. Yeah. I think you're gonna get that a lot of the times when we Yeah. Always start, sort of getting into this kind of stuff. Yeah.
Jack:But, yeah. Damonte, you liked it?
Demonte:I loved it. You know? I missed having, just the experience of going to the movies and just watching a Marvel movie. I didn't go see Deadpool and Wolverine, when it had it, theatrical release, waited for Disney plus. But, yeah, this movie, it really reminded me of, Captain America Winter Soldier, The Winter Soldier.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:It had those, spy, government, you know, conspiracy elements to the movie itself. And I think, like, I missed movies like that. Yeah. Or more so, I missed, Marvel movies where, you know, it has a message, but, you know, it follows, some kind of I'm losing my train of thought, but it just it just follows a certain trend, that was, like, very broad, in the early days of the MCU, which is, you know, it's really just a movie about Captain America. You know, the Avengers get mentioned, you know, whatnot, but it's it's really about Steve Rogers or it's about Sam Wilson.
Shakyra:Continue that legacy, you would say, basically. Yeah.
Demonte:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jack:I think a lot of with these, like, new Marvel movies, a lot of people are, I think, pretty much post that Last Avengers movie. Everyone has been the talk has been about, well, we want this sort of, like, bygone Marvel era of superhero movies. You know, we want this era where, like, the movies were good, you could watch them, they were just about one thing, and they were they were simple, you know. And I think a lot of the criticism of these newer movies is that they try to get they try to focus too much on this, like, idea of, like, a cinematic universe, you know, and, like, fitting things in. Mhmm.
Jack:And I think, certainly, in in my opinion, at least, I think this new movie definitely improved on that, like, a lot. Yeah. I think the story was a lot more interesting than a lot of other Marvel movies, or just movies in general, I guess, or like superhero movies. Now I will yeah. Go ahead.
Jack:I'm so
Shakyra:sorry. I'm just gonna, like, piggyback off that. Like, I would say, like, this, Captain America movie is far, like, really interesting than the other, like don't get me wrong. I like Civil War. Sure.
Shakyra:I think that's the one I was, like, really tapped in the most because for the longest, it kinda took me a long time to really get into the Captain America series. Like, even I didn't really read the comics, but even when I read the comics, it was just like, okay. I mean but, yeah, I would say they most definitely improved, like, the storyline and the plot line for sure. So
Jack:And I think with this one in particular, I think because obviously, you know, Captain America, right, it's it's it's a propaganda tool, you know. There's no way of getting around that. And it's really they're really blatant about it. And I think with, this one in particular, I think if you can get around that, you know, or just, like, ignore those parts, where it's, like, very blatantly, like, pushing pushing this sort of idea.
Demonte:American Pie.
Jack:There's some great storytelling there.
Demonte:Yeah.
Jack:And I I kinda miss this, like, era of, like, superhero movies where we could take a superhero and use it as, like, a vessel for telling, like, a good story and having, like, good good thoughtful, like, themes and stuff. Like, one movie that comes to mind and kinda relates to this a little is, the 02/2003 Hulk movie. Oh, yeah. Which I I talk about fairly often, because I think it's kinda we tend to forget about it. But, you know, it, that was at a time where, the Marvel Cinematic Universe obviously, like, wasn't this, like, huge thing.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:And
Jack:you could tell sort of writers and directors were just interested in telling stories. And what you had was this, like, very beautiful story of, the Hulk is, like, a metaphor for how trauma, anger, or how anger and destructiveness can be a result of child childhood trauma. And I did see that kinda sorta happening with the Red Hulk figure. Yeah. My only issue with it was just, you use the president as a the president of The United States as a mode for telling that story, which is, you know, maybe not the best person to use in that chose,
Demonte:you know, President
Jack:Ross. Yeah. Right. And and I think I mean, it
Shakyra:kinda makes sense though, because, you know, he come up at this guy as, you know, very easy to anger, I would say. Yeah. So
Jack:No. It's definitely I I did get this sort of, like, this idea coming through, through all, like, the the the typical Marvel stuff. I got this idea of, like, trying to escape your past, in the sort of the the frustration that can come from trying to escape your past and everyone's still holding you to those regards, you know?
Shakyra:Such good personal life lessons in there.
Jack:Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. A %. Like, that's a great message.
Jack:You know, I think that's an amazing message.
Shakyra:Mhmm.
Jack:The issue, in my opinion, with using the president for that message is you have to you you kinda need to dive into, like, all these political nuances, I think, if you wanna properly tell that story with that character.
Demonte:Right.
Jack:And the movie just didn't do that because it's not, you know Yeah. It's a Marvel movie. Right? We're not gonna dive into all those political movies.
Shakyra:Not gonna understand
Jack:Right. Exactly.
Shakyra:Why children is, like, sort sort of kinda like their number one audience. So Mhmm. Yeah.
Jack:Because I'm yeah. Go ahead.
Demonte:Oh, yeah. That and, you know, daddy is Ross, or thunderbolt Ross.
Shakyra:Spoiler. Well, if you know, you know.
Demonte:If you know, you know. So, yeah. Like, his character, it was, like, you know, he was, like, prominent in, like, you know, Captain America Civil War, or, you know, the Avengers Endgame or whatnot. But his character, he's a general, you know. Like, before he ran for president of The United States, he was a general.
Demonte:He was a politician. Yeah. Or not politician, but, you know, he's a military person Right. Or personnel. And so I think, just just to quickly piggyback on what you're saying, to have someone embodied Red Hulk, I guess the president of The United States, or war general or whatnot.
Demonte:Mhmm. It it was it was, interesting seeing that aspect because I think usually with like the Hulk, it's more of someone who's mild mannered or soft spoken or whatever versus someone who obviously has anger issues. But yeah. No. I I love that, the aspect that you did bring up, though.
Demonte:So
Jack:Yeah. I think that there is a story to be told there. I just didn't know about the the present. And especially because, like, I also kinda got this idea. I mean, his heart was literally quite literally corrupted, you know?
Jack:Yeah. He said he was
Shakyra:well, spoiler. But he said he was having a heart.
Demonte:He was
Jack:having a heart problem. Right. And it was I I think it works as like a metaphor of, like, his his sort of Yeah. His morals being corrupted. But it was also very literal with it.
Jack:Mhmm. And I think that other idea kinda came through of, like, he's not actually a bad person because it's just like this, like, he was corrupted by some foreign influence. And as long as you sort of get rid of this foreign influence, Captain America propaganda. That's how that kinda comes through. Because, you know, at the end Yeah.
Jack:At the end, it was, it it just we just returned to the same status quo where he's he's the good guy, and then, you know Right. The bad guy is the bad guy, and that's just they're both in the prison. They're like, it's, you know Yeah. And he gets to, you know, at the end, you have the scene where Ross gets to meet his daughter once again, and it's like, you know Yeah. But Touching.
Demonte:But Touching.
Shakyra:Very touching. So do y'all feel like the film is like a worthy Captain America installment? I personally feel like it it is because, you know, you have this new, person, this new actor taking over, the character in general. So it's just like to me, it kinda for my impression of it, it kinda seems like that it was just like a fresh start in a way, if you get what I'm saying. So
Jack:Yeah. Yeah.
Shakyra:I just wanna hear your opinions about it.
Demonte:Yeah. I think so. I think, you know, when we think of about what is Captain America movie, I think in my utmost respectful opinion, it is it's it embodies what a Captain America movie is. There is conflict. There's issues.
Demonte:There's moments where the hero is literally down, and but he gets back up. And I think, you know, this movie does a great,
Jack:very much those American ideals that
Demonte:Yeah. That we wanna see. When you get knocked down, you get back up. Yeah. Yeah.
Demonte:But, yeah, it it embodies that. I think, like, the movie itself goes even further, with the notion that, you know, Captain America is not just for America. Mhmm. He he's, like, for the world or whatnot. And I think, like, another, thing that, you know, really embodies, like, what a Captain America movie is or what a sentiment to being a Captain America movie is recognizing the past.
Demonte:I think, just touch briefly on this. Winter Soldier and Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers who, mind you, was just unthawed after, like, seventy years. He's still adjusting to, like, the new world or whatever. But he quickly finds out that shield, which, you know, Nick Fury and whatnot is, and it's secretly hydra, which, like, are the Nazis. So it's him literally struggling with the past while grappling the future.
Jack:Right.
Demonte:And I think in this new movie, you have, this new character, Isaiah Bradley.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:And for those who don't know who Isaiah Bradley is, in the Disney plus, show The Falcon and Winter Soldier, this character is briefly introduced. It is, hinted not hinted, but it is revealed that when Isaiah was in the military, in early thirties or forties or whatnot, during the Tuskegee experiments, him, along with a bunch of other plaque, soldiers were experimented on with the super soldier, with super serum Super soldier serum. Sorry. Which basically gives Steve Rogers, the strength and ability to beat Captain America. So he was the original for, black Captain America.
Demonte:And, you know, throughout the series and even throughout, like, this movie, you see that same sentiment of recognizing the past while grappling with the future. Mhmm. That's like a, I think, a different tone throughout this movie, because, Sam Wilson, he is actually just still grappling with being Captain America. Well, he's living up he's trying to live up to all these expectations, that is, you know, expected of him Mhmm. While, you know, just trying to be true to himself.
Demonte:So I think that's, like, why I had
Jack:to say that. I think, certainly, like because and that's brought up a lot, the idea that, like, it's kinda played off for jokes, but I think there's also Yeah. Sort of a very serious conflict for Sam is, he didn't take the super soldier serum.
Demonte:Yeah.
Jack:You know, and there's a you know, he has some quips about it, but I think that's because it's very much like, it was something the government did, you know. It it's it's government experimentation. Right? And on Steve Rogers, you know, we know how that went. But then with Isaiah Bradley, it went kinda south, you know.
Jack:Like, he wasn't really he didn't have that much respect. So, you know, you can kind of, I guess, understand Sam's sentiment as to not wanting to to do that, not wanting to, like, take that serum. You know, I think it, and then, you know, if we get back to sort of embodying American ideals, Mhmm. It kinda shows that, like, you don't there's this idea that you don't need anything. You don't need a super soldier serum to be, like, Captain America or to, like, be able to embody those ideals.
Jack:So Yeah. That was definitely something that Yeah.
Shakyra:I just feel like the Isaiah Bradley, storyline, it kinda got me. Like, the specific scene again, spoiler, so sorry. But when Sam was trying to convince him to come to, like, the what was it? The house the White House, it was like the It was the,
Demonte:siestral, c
Shakyra:Yeah. The announcement party. He was just like well, Isaiah would just, like, expressing how he don't wanna go because it's just, like, too painful for him because he'd been rawfully, like, locked up and stuff like that. So that really stuck out to me because in reality, that's just how things are, unfortunately. I mean, not trying to get, like, too political, but, I mean, obviously, like you said
Jack:It is a political movie.
Shakyra:You know? It's Right. Exactly. Something. So it was just, like, that was just something that, really, like, stood out to me.
Shakyra:Like, being wrongfully accused, being locked up, being experimented on, that's Yeah. Many I mean, it was reality.
Demonte:You know? Yeah. There's a the, Tuskegee experiment.
Shakyra:Exactly. Exactly.
Demonte:Yeah. And so just to, like, briefly explain to our viewers and listeners, quick history lesson. But the Tuskegee experiments, or what is, like, properly called the, Tuskegee Syphilis study Mhmm. It was a, a study of untreated syphilis in a Negro male was it was basically, as I'm reading this off, like, Google.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:But, basically, it was conducted between 1932 through 1972, by the US government and public health service, and the CDC, on a group of nearly 400, African American men with syphilis.
Jack:Mhmm.
Demonte:But basically, with this experiment, they use all of the these different kinds of drugs and medicines and whatnot and literally experimented on all of these men. Mhmm. And, you know, some died, some got sick. And, you know, a bunch of them, they were not formed of, you know, like, the serious outcomes of this kind of, study or experiment. And I think, you know, how the MCU, whether it's Kevin Feige or whoever's in charge of production for Disney plus shows, I loved how they introduced Isaiah Bradley's character, as, you know, he was this veteran.
Jack:He was a very real thing. A yeah.
Demonte:A victim of a real real of a real thing. But in this case, he was given the super soldier serum. Mhmm. And it worked, but they they locked him up in prison. His wife died.
Demonte:Mhmm. And, basically, he had all of these years and decades stripped of him. But luckily, he was exonerated. But still, it doesn't take back the time where pain, like, physically and mentally and spiritually, that had on him. Mhmm.
Demonte:So I I love how, you know, MCU just kinda, like, touched on that briefly and just kinda made that part of his story, but more so into the fact of how, you know, during during this time, Captain America was, like, actual propaganda, for World War two, for the Nazis and, the axis powers and whatnot. And, you know, the the Tuskegee Airmen, you know, they're very prominent, and they still deserve their flowers or not. Yeah. But I think, how MCU and, you know, how, you know, Marvel handled this, I think they handled it pretty well. And I think it, you know, it gave a whole bunch of people who didn't know, that, you know, this experiment existed a great eye opener without introducing them too harshly into what the experiments and study was.
Shakyra:But hopefully, it does get people to, like, wander more so they could do their own, you know, research on it about the experiment more. So yeah. I just wanted to ask you guys, like, do you feel like this film specifically was just, like, another general, like, MCU movie? Or what do you think that stood out different to y'all?
Jack:I think and I we kinda touched on this a bit, but I think, yeah, it's doing some things differently. They I think they recognize sort of that they're the the formula of, like, how they've been making movies isn't necessarily working anymore. I mean, big companies like Marvel are always gonna treat movies like a business. And I think we've kinda been seeing this sort of commercialization of superhero movies over the past few years. And I, you know, I wouldn't go as far as to say that, like, you know, a lot of people say, like, superhero movies are ruining cinema.
Jack:You know?
Demonte:Yeah. I don't
Shakyra:I don't understand why people say that.
Jack:Yeah. You know, I
Demonte:I I
Shakyra:get I feel like, I get it. It's happening. Yeah. But they feel like it's too cartoony, if that makes sense. Yeah.
Shakyra:So
Jack:I think it's yeah. But there's a lot of people who, feel that I think superhero movies are, Too cliche. For a dumber audience, which I don't I don't necessarily What are you calling it with?
Shakyra:You know? Yeah. Like, it's targeted for children, in my opinion. Right.
Jack:Yeah. It's for I mean, superhero. You know? For the movie. Mhmm.
Shakyra:So it's just like, you guys I mean, you can't really say that. Yeah. But yeah. Sorry.
Jack:Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't I don't think the cinematic universe is ruining. Like, I I totally agree. I don't think it's ruining cinema. I think when people get, like, too too kinda tangled up in this idea of, like, what connects to what, you know, and, like, who they they they want certain things.
Jack:And obviously, studios are just gonna respond to, like, what what audiences want. So Yeah. What I think what you end up happening is sort of this, like, deterioration of Marvel that we've been seeing where they they're just they're trying to make everything connect, and that's the sole focus of
Shakyra:what we've been seeing. Like, caters to, like, though that type of audience. Exactly. That's what makes it not work, I guess, in my opinion.
Jack:Well, because, like, yeah, it's not about because then it's not about telling a story. You know, then it's just about, like, how can we get butts in seats? How can we get people to care about the next thing? But if you're trying to get everyone to compare about the care about the next thing, what and then that's just everything, then you know what?
Shakyra:Yeah. It just takes the sparks out of it.
Jack:You know? Exactly. Yeah.
Shakyra:That's like any movie to be honest.
Jack:Exactly. Yeah.
Shakyra:Yeah. That's we're just, like, literally take the art out of it. But oh, yeah. Mhmm.
Demonte:Yeah. And I I think, like, the whole notion that superhero movies are killing is killing cinema, I I never really understood that. Yeah. Like, I I I never understood it. I I get, like, the notion behind it, because, like, with Marvel, especially, like I mean, even, like, DC briefly, they kinda, like, recognize, like, hey.
Demonte:We're making all of these movies, and it's not doing good, so we're just gonna scrap the whole universe Right. And reboot. I'm not saying that should be an option for Marvel. Yeah. I think It's late.
Demonte:They too
Shakyra:deep in it. Yeah.
Jack:But the DC thing, what what I found interesting is, it it almost that almost came from them trying to be too much like Marvel.
Shakyra:Yeah. I also heard of that too.
Jack:You had those Zack Snyder movies. He had, like, a plan, you know, and then it kinda fell apart Yeah. After, you know, I think his daughter passed away, and he had to, like, step away from the projects. But, after that, you know, they they wanted to try to use the Marvel model, you know? And, like, that's when you got movies like Aquaman and Shazam and all those other things, which, you know, I'm not saying are, like, terrible.
Jack:But it's The Flash.
Shakyra:I I love The Flash, and he loves his young too. So I
Demonte:I listen. I love the Flash as character, the CW show. Yeah. But the Top tier.
Shakyra:Okay.
Demonte:But the movie
Shakyra:With the movie?
Demonte:No. Yeah. But that's DC. But but yeah. I think, like, even with Marvel, you know, it's this whole sentiment of quality over quantity.
Demonte:Sure. And, like, I want to say since Avengers Endgame, it's been quantity over quality. You have, like, the the Disney plus shows. The first one being WandaVision, which was great. And then you have Moon Knight Moon Knight, excuse me, which is also good.
Demonte:But then you have Ms. Marvel, which is also a good show. Right. Me personally, I think it's about
Shakyra:Loki. How did y'all feel about that? Did y'all like that? I Sorry. No.
Shakyra:Sorry. This is a side
Demonte:note. But I liked Loki. You know, they gave him a a redemption story because that brother needed it, man. But Are you
Shakyra:trying to sell me something or get a load of this guy?
Demonte:But, but yeah. But then you have, like, Loki, then, She Hulk, and What If, then you have, like, these other movies like, Black Widow or Yeah. I'm trying to think of one or or, Ching Chi.
Shakyra:Mhmm.
Demonte:Yeah.
Jack:Yeah. And,
Demonte:The Marvels? Yeah. The marbles. You have all of these things, all of these projects happening all at once, and you're cranking it out, to the point where, you know, special effects, artists will say, actually come out and say, like, hey, guys, like,
Jack:we're exhausted. That's a whole another. Right? A whole Yeah. In, like, a different episode.
Jack:It's just like, these these artists are overworked. Yeah. That's a whole another. But yeah.
Demonte:Yeah. But, like, you have, like, that coming out. You have, obviously, piss poor reviews. Wait. Can I say that?
Jack:Sure.
Demonte:Okay. You have piss poor reviews of, like, the movies. Like, you know, it's like it's not doing well in the box office. You you're using millions and millions of dollars to make this movie just where they only make a fraction. Yeah.
Demonte:You just where it flop. Yeah. But I think, like, this movie,
Jack:and
Demonte:they'll, you know, time will tell because the movie just came out. Mhmm. I think people will be a little bit less harsh on this movie,
Jack:because headed in, like, a different direction, trying to course correct. And I think you see it too with, Fantastic Four with that trailer.
Shakyra:Oh, yeah.
Jack:It seems like they're trying to do they're trying to do a similar thing where it's like they're not it's it looks like a genuinely good story. They're not, like, trying to bait people into to they're they're they're not showing you, like, oh, well, this character's in it, so you should come see it, you know, or it's gonna it's gonna nod to this thing. And it's
Shakyra:a cool jump stunt or whatever. Yeah.
Jack:It looks, you know, it looks interesting. And I'm, then so I'm I'm excited for it, you know, looking forward. I I think I I have hopes for it, especially, you know I have hopes for the genre. It's obviously somewhat of a new genre, or in in the modern sense, it's somewhat of a new genre. Mhmm.
Jack:I I don't know exactly where it'll head in the next, you know, five years or so, five, ten years.
Shakyra:Interesting. Why do you say, like, a new genre?
Jack:I mean, I think the MCU in its, like, invention kinda set just, like, a new precedent for what we know as, like, superhero movies. You know? Like, with Iron Man, I think that just kinda, like not that, you know obviously, superhero movies existed pre February or whatever, but Yeah. It definitely set like a new, like, this is a formula we're gonna follow. This is a a type of movie we're gonna do, and I I think it's, as we've as we've identified in the last, like, thirty minutes or so, it's it's changed in a sense, like, the Iron Man or whatever.
Jack:Mhmm. But, yeah, I think in in the future
Shakyra:What's surrounding my face?
Demonte:No. I'm not. I'm thinking about people. It is like a side note, a tight side tangent. But Jack King.
Demonte:Right? But his actor, Jonathan Majors, was, fired by Disney. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, they scratched his character, and he brought doctor Doleman. That's, like, the big the the replacement big bad.
Demonte:But they brought back Robert Downey Junior. So but but my my thing is this. I think, most people forget Robert Downey Junior. He's a great actor. He is a extraordinary actor.
Jack:Right.
Demonte:But he had his problems too. Mhmm. And the disclaimer, I'm not I'm not,
Shakyra:Yeah. Disclaimer.
Demonte:I I I'm not, defending any actions, or allegations, that Johnson Majors has or have not been, proven guilty of. Disclaimer once again. But I think, like, people it's like the whole second chance thing.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:And I think, you know, I think if Marvel was to take a beat on that instead of just immediately firing him
Jack:Sure.
Demonte:Sure, whatnot. But bring it back, Ironman, or bring it back Wabordani Junior.
Shakyra:So I'm sorry. I'm a Yeah. I'm a little lost. Are you saying, like, it's not fair, if that makes sense?
Jack:Or I'm not
Demonte:saying You're
Shakyra:not saying that. Like, what are you saying, basically?
Demonte:I'm saying, it's funny that they have to bring Matt Grover Downey Junior
Shakyra:Oh, I see.
Jack:Just to
Demonte:get more seats, butts to
Shakyra:see. Yeah.
Demonte:I
Jack:mean, certainly another one of those, like, gimmicks that they're that they're trying to Yeah. Do. You know, to get people to watch the movies, which, like, you know? Mhmm. I don't know.
Jack:Don't know. That's we'll see how that we'll see how that ends up going. Yeah. Maybe we'll talk about it when that movie comes out.
Shakyra:Just on a surface level, you know, topic or, you know, point. So what was your, like, favorite moment for the movie? Like, I already have mine. But no. No.
Shakyra:No. Actually, I'm sorry. I just have to get this on my chat. The my favorite moment is when, when he was talking to what is his name again? Stern?
Jack:Or Sam Samuel Stearns. Yeah.
Demonte:Yeah.
Shakyra:Or Stern. Yeah. That guy is freaky, by the way. That whoever man, y'all did a good job because he was just, like, creeping me out the whole time.
Jack:Yeah.
Shakyra:But whenever he was like, yeah. You know, we oh, I got the people. You know, we we know information about the, you know, the game of the game and rave pills or whatever. And he was like, oh, well, you're not gonna get them because No. I got them.
Shakyra:And then his face dropped immediately. I I immediately was cracking up because it was
Jack:great scenes like that.
Shakyra:Yes. Like I
Jack:did enjoy that.
Shakyra:They really captured, like, the emotions. Like, I really felt emotionally connected to the film. Like, I know it's just, like, another Marvel movie to some people, but they really did a great job with, like, capturing the emotions. I'm sure
Jack:that there was yeah. Certainly great scenes like that. There was one scene I don't remember exactly what it but it was, Sam Wilson was talking to to Ross. Mhmm.
Demonte:Yeah. And I
Jack:I forgot exactly what they were talking about, but I just remember it was like I was like, if the rest of the movie was just like like this, I would I would enjoy these a lot more. I would be a lot more on board with you, because it was like a great, like you can tell when there's like a moment where the writer is actually, like, has a lot of agency over the scene versus, like, when it's obvious the studio just wants this. With that being said, the action was really good. Yeah. Especially that ending fight with, like, the Mhmm.
Shakyra:Oh, yeah.
Demonte:I I
Jack:it would have been really easy for them to just not include the wings, you know, and just kinda make it like Captain America as we know it. But they really, like, made use there was a lot of creativity that went into those, sequences where he's, like, flying around, you know, over the ocean. I think sequences where he's, like, flying around, you know, over the ocean, I think, was one. And then, yeah, that scene in the end were all all very good.
Shakyra:He took his shoe and really stuck it on the ground. I was like
Jack:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Shakyra:It got real.
Demonte:You're doing that with air vibranium too. Yeah. So, like, I'm thinking I mean, he's a hulk. So, you know, if he really wanted to, he could just shred it at shield in half. Yeah.
Demonte:But, yeah, I think, like, favorite scene for me I think one of the favorite scenes was when Ross was, like, kinda like he was on the ship. Mhmm. There, I think we were was at sea and, like, the, the Japanese government was, like, getting close to the, It was
Jack:like when he was freaking out. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great scene, dude. So he
Demonte:was, like, trying to, like, convince, like, the Japanese prime minister, like, yeah. That happened, but I didn't
Jack:know anything about it. He steps into
Demonte:the hall
Jack:and starts Yeah.
Demonte:And, like, he almost hoped out.
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:But, yeah, I think, like, that scene itself, it showed that even in a, you know, intense situation like that, he had, like, some sort of some war for, like, self control. Sure. Yeah. Well, up until, like, the rose garden scene, which is, like, my most second favorite scene, where he just, like, full blown hoped out. And you have a yeah.
Demonte:And and you have this, you can tell, like, this is, like, what the studios wanted to do instead of the writers. One of the reporters, I was, like, in a rose garden saying, aren't they usually green
Jack:Yeah.
Demonte:Or something like that? Yeah. But, yeah, I I think, like, the action scenes, like, the the last final fight between, Wilson and Ross, they did a phenomenal job with that. Yeah. You would have thought that you were watching a new, you know, Hulk movie itself.
Demonte:Like, if you were to show, you know, anyone, like, in, like, 02/2008 or 02/2003, that scene
Jack:Mhmm.
Demonte:They they will flip. They'll think, why is cap why why is captain America a long way. Yeah. Yeah. Like, why is captain America fighting the whole or whatever.
Demonte:But it shows, like, you know, Marvel itself came a long way, from just, like, individual projects to now, like, literally a full blown cinematic universe.
Jack:Big following too. Yeah. Following really I mean, I think it got people into the comics. So then, of course, you saw this whole, like, change of, like, how the comics worked, where, like, you would have writers sort of basing new iterations of characters on the movie versions because there is now this huge following that was like, okay, I love these movies. I'm gonna read about it a little bit.
Jack:So the comics got this big following, and they're like, okay, well, if people love Robert Downey Junior Iron Man, I'm gonna make my comic character more like Robert Downey Junior Iron Man, and then he's gonna look more like him too. So stuff like that, I think, is very interesting. You can see, like, the the movies and the comics kinda in dialogue, you know, and Mhmm. As the genre changes. And it's definitely something I'm looking forward to.
Demonte:Oh, yeah.
Shakyra:So, like, I I'm sorry. I just have, like, another question for y'all. Do you think the villain, in his story is, like, valid? Because
Jack:I think
Demonte:that is interesting.
Jack:I think Yeah. I think I think that's kinda you're you're kinda supposed to have a little bit of sympathy for for him and his cause and, you know, hating the president. Mhmm. I don't think it gave you I don't think it presented enough of his perspective.
Shakyra:Yeah.
Jack:Like I said, you know, with the ending where it's like, you're still the president still wins, and then the villain is just, like, still this evil guy. I, you know Mhmm. I feel like superhero movies have done a great job in recent years of, like, introducing a lot more nuance into villains, as opposed to just having, like, people who are just evil for the sake of being evil.
Shakyra:Right. Right.
Jack:But, you know, I I I did. It was it was a nice villain. I thought it was I thought it was cool. I kinda like the the master manipulator Yeah. Villain type, like, when it adds a bit of mystery, you know, that isn't in every
Shakyra:Yeah. All I have to say, the actor Gian Giancarlo, I think I'm saying
Jack:Yeah. Esposito. Yeah.
Shakyra:Esposito. I love him so much. I'm sorry. He's, like, the best villain. Like, he's the best actor you can get to play a villain.
Shakyra:Like, you could just see, like, his face. He's just so mysterious, and he's just, like, mischievous. Like, I just really love them. Like, he did a great job in this film too. So
Demonte:Yeah. But yeah. Oh, but yeah. That's I love the movie.
Shakyra:I like If you could give the movie a rating, well, how would you rate it?
Demonte:You know, I I don't wanna be overdramatic, and this is, like, my honest opinion. I'll give it a 10 out of 10. Yeah. You know, like, there are some writing throughout the movie that could have been a little bit better. Mhmm.
Demonte:But I think, like, overall, it it really embodies, like, what a Captain America movie is Yeah. Or what it should be. I think, you know, I'm looking at it right now. 6.1 out of 10 for IMDB. That's that's Really?
Demonte:That's critical.
Shakyra:I'm gonna check on Rotten Tomatoes
Demonte:really quick. 49% Rotten Tomatoes.
Shakyra:Okay.
Demonte:58% people like this like, that's valid. Yeah. And once again
Shakyra:You know, it just came out too, so you gotta gotta give it some time. Yeah.
Demonte:And I think, like, as I said earlier, I think most people will look back and be a little less harsh, on this movie. Like people did with Green Lantern movie. Like, when that came out, man.
Jack:Damn it. I
Demonte:love that movie. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. But, yeah, I'll give the movie, a 10 out of 10.
Demonte:Okay. So I think Marvel if Marvel just keeps that up going forward with the, the upcoming, Avengers movies, especially, like, what the big bad was talking about Mhmm. You know, I think they're they're on the right track. So yeah. Tyra?
Shakyra:Yeah. I give it a 10 out of 10 because, again, it's just like the political messages that was, like, presented throughout the film was, like, really important. And I just again, I really felt with it because, you know, being, like, a a scholarly student or whatever, we constantly have to talk about, like, those type of issues, like, every day, all day. I mean, y'all see what skin tone I am. You know, this is our reality.
Shakyra:So I just really love how our well, not ours, because I don't wanna generalize, like, everybody in my community. But, like, most people, you know, realities is actually getting recognized in a wider, you know sorry. I'm just
Jack:like Context.
Shakyra:Yes. Thank you. So I really do appreciate that. But, yeah, it's a 10 out of 10 because, again, that and then the emotions that was just, like, captured throughout the film and then the action itself, oh, yeah. Most definitely great great film.
Jack:I don't rate movies, which, we can get into maybe next episode. I I can explain my reasoning for that. I will give it a thumbs up. Definitely not a ten ten out of 10 in my in my view. I will give it a thumbs up, though.
Jack:So is it? I I liked it. You know?
Demonte:You know? Alright.
Jack:I mean, did a
Shakyra:little of this guy.
Jack:That'll be the subject for our Knicks. Why why I don't give
Demonte:it a thumbs up too.
Shakyra:Don't rate movie.
Demonte:10 out 10. I mean,
Jack:if you look at my letterbox, you will not see a single Yeah. Go. On there.
Shakyra:Really?
Jack:Nope. It's all, like, it's all heart or no heart. Okay. We'll get into that.
Shakyra:Interesting. Alright.
Jack:But in the meantime, if you disagree, if you agree with what we're saying about Captain America, email me at jack.williams@statenews.com, and we'll feature your opinion on the next episode. But until then
Shakyra:This has been Brilliant and where we keep our film commentaries a % real. I'm Kyra Maybone.
Demonte:I'm Jack Williams. I'm Amonta Thomas.
Jack:We'll see you next time.
Shakyra:Yeah. Bye.