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What do you do when the bottom drops out and life breaks in ways you never imagined? Charlie and Jill LeBlanc have walked that road, and through their personal story of loss, they’ve discovered the sustaining power of God's presence. In this podcast, they offer heartfelt conversations, Scripture-based encouragement, and the kind of hope that only comes from experience. Whether you're grieving, struggling, or searching for peace in the middle of chaos, this space is for you.
Charlie & Jill (00:10.562)
Hey everyone, welcome. This is the Finding Hope podcast for Charlie and Jilla Blanc, and we have some special guests with us here today. Right. We have some special friends that are from England that have some amazing stories of what God has done in their lives, and they have some things to share that God has brought them through. So we'd like to introduce Andrew and Selena Brown to you right now.
Welcome you guys. Thanks so much for coming and joining us.
Selina (00:42.42)
Thank you. Pleasure to be with you today. It is.
Charlie & Jill (00:46.112)
Yeah, well it's a pleasure to have you with us. Yes, absolutely. And we're really excited about this this show because we know that when Jesus changes a life and transforms a life, so many people get helped by hearing how people have gone through difficulty. And and Selena, you have been through so an incredible testimony.
In fact, we models tell them up front, but we'll say it more often. In your book, No Longer I Who Live, you share your testimony very clearly about everything you went through. But I just wanted to pop that in there real quick. But you know, the the subtitle of our show is is Getting Through What You Never Asked For. And so, you know, there's so much that we've all been through.
That we've never asked for. And you guys now have been married, is it what a little over seven years? Almost eight. Almost eight years. And today is actually Selena's 10th birthday in the Lord. Yes. Right? So it was it was 10 years ago that that Selena was in a grace and faith meeting. In fact, we just finished recently.
a big conference in the UK in England and it was it's called Grace and Faith. We do it every year. And 10 years ago, today, Selena was at that that meeting and she gave her life to Jesus and her life was totally transformed. So Selena, we just want you to try to share, I know you can I know there's a lot
But just try to share, including the headlines that were in the paper, but just share a little bit about you know what you've what you've been through and how the Lord has redeemed your life.
Selina (02:55.55)
Okay, so I'm gonna do it really like brief because it would take a long time otherwise. So yeah, do know, I was adopted. So I started off life living with a great family, really, really good family. They loved me, they gave me everything. But you know, I guess somewhere deep inside there was a kind of a loss, a grief, something I didn't understand, something that was deep. And that...
became the pattern for my whole life of rejection and wanting to be loved and wanting to belong. And that kind of led me along a path of trying to find belonging and love in the wrong places. So rebellion, addiction, relationships with men that were older than me, smoking drugs, just running around doing crazy things at a really young age.
And it all led to me ending up with six children by the time I was 20 years old. Yeah, with two different fathers. So the first father of my eldest two, he got married to someone else. He hadn't arranged marriage. He was a Muslim. And then the father of the youngest four, he decided that he didn't want responsibility. So he kind of vanished before the youngest was born. So I was on my own with the six children.
And then from there, I just went into another disastrous relationship, 13 years of just abuse, again, addiction, suicidal thoughts, depression, anxiety, know, physical, mental, emotional issues. you know, it was a mess. It was like a 13-year nightmare. And it was, you know, I'd heard about God. I was raised a Catholic, but God was just somebody, you know, up in the clouds, shaking his head at me, waiting for me to get my act together.
you know, be a good person, which is impossible. I tried, I tried everything, didn't work. And then, yeah, I ended up at the conference, which was completely supernatural because I'd never heard of Grace and Faith. I'd never heard of anyone connected to it. You know, I didn't go there with friends. I went there on my own. I had to catch a train, catch a bus, then walk and walked into that conference just not knowing what to expect. And I did go for two days and it was on the second day.
Charlie & Jill (05:04.491)
Really?
Selina (05:14.538)
where I actually heard the gospel for the first time, like the real gospel, what's actually in the Bible, that, you know, God sent Jesus because we couldn't be good enough. And I was remember sitting there thinking, well, hang on a minute. I've been trying my whole life to be a good person so God would accept me. And then I realized that Jesus has already, he'd sorted that out. And when I realized that and, you know, kind of realized that I could actually get saved and step into this new, new identity, that's what I did.
So at Grace and Faith, 10 years ago, 10 years today, I remember giving my life to the Lord and just hearing God say to me in audible voice that you belong to me now. And for me, that whole search of identity, of belonging, of where am I meant to be, I would say ended that night because I realized, wow, I do belong somewhere. This is where I belong. And yeah, from then till now, that is just a crazy journey that God's taken me on.
But yeah, it is worth saying that you guys were leading worship the night that I got saved. You guys were playing piano, Jill, in the background as I was getting saved. And when I look back now, it's surreal. It's kind of like, wow, look what God did. So yeah, that's a real brief overview.
Charlie & Jill (06:17.836)
That's right.
Charlie & Jill (06:22.933)
Wow.
Charlie & Jill (06:28.672)
Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Well it's such a miraculous testimony, you know, and so many people have are are grieving over their daughters or their sons who've gone astray and they're they're really troubled as as as a lot of people have been through the years with their their children, and yet and yet look what God can do, boom, in an instant like this, and just change a situation. That is such a powerful
hope, you know, to to to have when you're when you're when your children are astray is to see a testimony like you that Jesus is that good, he's that big, he's that amazing, the power of the Holy Spirit is that amazing that it can just grab you like that, even after all the years that you were astray, but can arrest you and totally transform your life. That is just incredible.
And now you and your husband, when when did Andrew, when did y'all meet? Tell tell us how you met.
Selina (07:38.463)
We met in the same year that Selena was born again. We met about three months that she was born again. So Selena, the day after she got born again, she signed up to Carries Bible College. And so during the summer, during the summer of that year, we had a Bible school during the summer. And it came along to one of the sessions, came again. And I think I was there.
Charlie & Jill (07:42.686)
Okay.
Charlie & Jill (07:51.733)
Ooh.
Selina (08:04.444)
at one of the sessions she came to. were playing drums. I was playing drums in the worship team and she saw me and she was, you know, awed by me. And then we met for the first time around a table. Somebody asked Selena to pray and I saw that she was quite uncomfortable praying openly. So I stepped in and I prayed and I think that was our first kind of meeting. So yeah.
Charlie & Jill (08:14.381)
A
Charlie & Jill (08:33.453)
Wow. Beautiful. Love it. That's a great beginning. You know, Jill and I actually, when we were just friends, we would pray together a lot. like we were with this youth group. And it was prayer that kind of started binding us together a little bit. Interestingly for you as well. Now, Andrew, you you had been through a very difficult time yourself. you hit you you're you're you would tell us a little bit about.
Selina (08:34.346)
I'm not a vaccine.
Selina (08:52.862)
Yeah,
Selina (08:59.113)
Hmm.
Charlie & Jill (09:03.361)
you know, your your situation in in the pre your first marriage and so forth.
Selina (09:07.117)
Yeah, so I was married for 12 years, four children, four boys, and that marriage came to an end. And I found myself, I was going to say loose end, but it wasn't a loose end. was a, when it finished so suddenly, without any kind of warning, it was one day, it was okay. The next day it was over. And to be honest,
Charlie & Jill (09:12.619)
Hmm. Wow.
Selina (09:35.5)
I mean, this is, we're talking 12 years, 10, 12 years now, and it's affecting my daily life, still thoughts of regret, what I could have done this better, I could have done that better. It's still there. it's a long, obviously my children have been affected by it as well. And the family have been affected. There's been relationships broken because of it.
Charlie & Jill (09:56.405)
Yeah. Yeah.
Selina (10:00.971)
So it's been a long road and I don't think without the Lord, you know, I would have made it this far to be honest because there was a lot of things that was in between that and if the Lord wasn't there, things could have gone and taken a completely different road. yeah.
Charlie & Jill (10:01.921)
Yeah. Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (10:18.529)
Yeah. Well, I appreciate you sharing that because you know, when we lost our son, the pain of that separation was so incredible. But right really right after that, I started thinking about a lot of my dearest friends who had been through divorces, whom their their spouse just left them. And I I immediately started feeling a little bit of what they feel because
Selina (10:26.592)
Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (10:45.001)
in a lot of ways, and we talk about that sometimes on the podcast, in a lot of ways, a divorce is similar to to losing a loved one. You you your your hopes are broken, your the pain and the separation, you were one with that person. And then like you said, the children involved and and that whole situation is it's very tough. But thank God for Jesus, right? I mean thank God that he's the one who brings us through things like this.
Selina (11:06.815)
it is.
Charlie & Jill (11:14.631)
And and gives us a hope for our future. And yet look what God has done. I mean, I know we we continue to feel things and we continue to deal with things. He as the Lord continues to to heal our broken hearts, but but at the same time, without him, we would never make it. And look what the Lord has done in bringing you two together to support each other to get through those difficult times. And so now you both have been married for l over seven years.
Selina (11:35.913)
Yes.
Charlie & Jill (11:43.691)
You're both now pastoring, right?
Selina (11:47.593)
Yes, indeed we are.
Charlie & Jill (11:49.527)
How did that how did that birth? I mean, wow.
Selina (11:53.462)
So during COVID, we were meeting in a bubble. And as the time went on, there was more people joining our bubble. So we ended up with like 30 people in our bubble during COVID. We would just go to the park. We'd have picnics, play football, sit around just talking about the word and just what God was doing, those kind of things. And just maybe a few months before COVID came to an end, the actual lockdown.
Charlie & Jill (12:04.886)
Uh-huh.
Selina (12:21.257)
God said to me, what are going to do with all of these people? And I said, I don't know. What are you going to do with all of these people? And he said, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. He said, no, want you to start a church. So I was like, OK. So I spoke to Selena and Selena said no immediately. She said, think you're right. I don't think you heard from the Lord. I think you heard from somebody else. But the Holy Spirit.
Charlie & Jill (12:27.597)
Turn it back on him.
Selina (12:47.839)
The Holy Spirit spoke to Selena a few weeks and then she came back to me and said, you know, think we should start a church. So when Covid came to an end, we started meeting every second Sunday in a church that we rented. That went on for two years and then somebody gave us a building and we've been in that building now just over three years. And today we are looking for a larger building. yeah, it's great. Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (13:14.829)
That's amazing. And and we have been with you guys now, I think two times already. And and we will be with you again real soon for another service together. And you just have a great church, you have wonderful people there. And and again, it's just miraculous to see what God has done in your in your lives. You know, we sing this song even in the conferences is look what the Lord has done, you know, and
Selina (13:21.29)
Yes.
Selina (13:24.949)
You will endager.
Charlie & Jill (13:44.395)
And he he really has transformed you guys and changed you. And Selena, you have the six kids, right? And and and you have four. Andrew. Andrew. And so Selena, your daughters, Well let me just say, so between the two of them, they have ten kids. Whoa. And what's the age of the youngest?
Selina (14:09.723)
The youngest is 16 and the eldest is 27. Wow. And every eye is in between.
Charlie & Jill (14:12.152)
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. Hands are full. Yeah. And so and so s both of I I I can't remember, Andrew, do do any of your children have children? Okay, but but Selena, your your children do have you do have grandchildren, yes.
Selina (14:26.921)
No, not the dance.
Yes.
Selina (14:35.059)
Yeah, we have three grandchildren.
Charlie & Jill (14:39.406)
Great. And you lost one, unfortunately.
Selina (14:44.555)
Yeah, so the eldest one, so Caden, that was back in 2019, so he was 19 months old. So he'd be eight now. Yeah, he'd be eight years old now.
Charlie & Jill (14:56.184)
Hmm. my gosh, that is so hard to think about those kinds of things. So can you tell us a little bit about that story? for those for those who are listening who have lost children like we have, and even some that have lost children when they were young like that. That it's so it's so painful to watch any child go through pain in any way.
Selina (15:10.869)
Yeah.
Selina (15:24.724)
Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (15:25.792)
and then to lose them on top of it. But yeah, just tell us a little bit about what you guys went through and then and then how you how you've coped with it.
Selina (15:36.844)
Yeah, well, um, so Kayden's mom, Sophie, so that's my third child. So she was just 16 when she had Kayden. Um, and he was, he had a syndrome. So he was, he wasn't like, um, severely unwell, but he did have a few things that we had to deal with. So he had to be tube fed for, for most of his life. Um, we were working on it because he was born with a, he was born with a cleft, cleft lip.
Charlie & Jill (16:01.198)
Mm.
Selina (16:06.123)
So he had the gap in his lip and the roof of his mouth, but they fixed that. And there was no kind of indication that he wouldn't live a normal life. But when Sophie was 17, it literally, she was staying with somebody and one night we just got, well, actually, no one morning we got a phone call about half past six in the morning from the person she was staying with. And they just said, you need to, you need to come to the house now. Something's happened, but I'm not going to tell you over the phone.
And I remember like, I just got out of the shower and I remember thinking, you know, this must be bad because why wouldn't they tell me over the phone? And I said to Andrew, you know, we need to go, we need to go to where Sophie is. And we didn't actually say a lot to each other. We didn't speak a lot, but on the way there, I remember thinking, you know, something happened to Sophie, something happened to Kayden. You know, I had no idea what was going on.
But I did like literally around the corner from the house. God showed me what I was going to see, which was when we pulled up to the house, there were, there was a police car, there was an ambulance, there was a paramedic, blue flashing lights everywhere. And the house was cordoned off. And again, we didn't speak, did we? say anything to each other. we pulled up and I got out one side, Andrew got out the other side, and I just walked towards the house and the bottom of the stairs was cordoned off. So I just walked past police officers into the living room.
And Sophie was standing there and she turned around and looked at me. She just started crying. And I remember going over to her and hugging her and just saying, Sophie, what happened? And the person she was staying with, she was the one who came over and said, I'm so sorry. Kayden passed away in the night. And in that moment, like, because it was such a shock, I didn't say anything. And to be honest, I can't remember if Andrew was in the room, if he walked in the room at that point.
I do remember that she went on to say, you know, I think she was trying to comfort Sophie because she's not a believer at the moment, this other person. And she said to her, well, know, Sophie, God only takes the best. And do know what? I was so glad we were there and we hadn't understand him because straight away I was able to say to Sophie, you know, God didn't do this, nothing to do with God. But what happened was Caden literally just died in his sleep. So he didn't have any indications of it.
Charlie & Jill (18:08.738)
Sure.
Selina (18:31.275)
Afterwards, you know, they had to do an autopsy. had to because it was a, he died for no reason. And even, you know, it took them a very long time to come to the conclusion that he died of natural causes. And there was no reason for it to happen. mean, Sophie was only 17 at the time. And it was, you know, for everyone, it was a shock because when someone's not ill, you know, when they literally just go to, you know, and then he just didn't wake up. So, I mean,
That day now I can remember it very, very well and I'm sure Andrea as well. And Sophie, she, I mean, she'd been staying away from home, but she came home that night. And the other children that, you know, they'd gone to stay with my parents. We'd asked them, you know, just if we could just be with just Sophie just for tonight. And it was, do you know what? It was just really surreal. And at the time, because, you know, Kayden was our grandchild. So obviously we were devastated, but...
Having Sophie in the middle as well, knowing Sophie's his mom and knowing that she was even more devastated than us meant that even though we wanted to fall apart and we couldn't because Sophie still needed to be looked after as well. then all the other kids, mean, it actually happened on my son's birthday. So my youngest son turned 16, it was his birthday. So yeah, so there were all these emotions of like, I felt bad for my son because
We'd rushed out the house in the morning and said to him, don't open your presents, know, we'll be back soon. And then we haven't seen him again that day because we'd been at the hospital, we'd been with Sophie. And then the other, the other children were, I mean, the eldest Aisha, she was only, she would have been 19. And the youngest Reese was, I think he was 13 or 14. So they were all quite young. So all of them were like processing that Kayden had died. And even my parents, you know,
everybody and we kind of felt like, you know, it would have been nice to fall apart. But we were probably, you know, because we were the only believers. I mean, some of my children are born again, but we were the only believers in the family, the only ones that had an understanding of God and, you know, that God is good and that he doesn't take people and that Cadam was still alive, but just, you know, in the spirit. We were the ones that kind of had to be, I guess we had to be strong for everybody else.
Charlie & Jill (20:54.018)
Yeah. Yeah.
Selina (20:54.345)
So yeah, that's what happened.
Charlie & Jill (20:57.206)
Yeah. That's that's really hard when you when you're in that situation and you have to be strong when you can't grieve yourself, you know, because you just have to be strong for them. But I'm sure that you've had your moments when you were alone just remembering him and and and dealing with the pain of losing a grandchild. I I I I know that many people we have some close dear friends whose
Grandson was murdered, believe it or not. And and it was just a horrific situation. And and they were so angry and and they dealt with a lot of things. And one of the things that you've shared with us before, Selena, is is just how tragic was the situation where they they had to do this autopsy, and then then on top of the pain of the grief of the loss, there were even some suspicion.
by the authorities to clarify that that this was just a normal passing, a normal death, they was they had to go through their system of of qu making sure that there wasn't any foul play in it. Yeah.
Selina (21:59.788)
Yeah.
Selina (22:09.763)
Yeah, I think in, I mean, I don't know about other countries, but in England, if somebody dies for no reason, so there's no actual cause of death, especially if it's a child, they treat it as suspicious until they can prove that it's not suspicious. So, yeah, definitely, we, you know, we were made, and us were made to feel like we'd done something, that they were trying to find evidence of some sort of foul play. did, you know, it was uncomfortable. It wasn't very nice because you're trying to...
to grieve, but at the same time, you know, people are asking questions and police are investigating. And so it was, it was a horrible situation and especially, know, Sophie was 17. So for her to have to process everything and answer questions and it was, it wasn't a good time at all.
Charlie & Jill (22:56.108)
Yeah, no, that's tough. That's very tough. And how is Sophie doing now?
Selina (23:01.877)
You know, Sophie's good, know, she's very, she's very resilient. She's very strong. And, you know, she was devastated to lose Kayden 100%. And, know, for a long time, you could see that, you know, she kind of didn't have any hope. She didn't have really much to live for. But, you know, praise God, she, met, because she, she'd not, she was already separated from Kayden's father and she met her now partner.
who she's been with now for like seven years, maybe six years. And they have a daughter now, Neveah, who's she's just turned four. And I think definitely, you know, when Neveah was born, you could see that, you know, this was Neveah brought hope. Do you know what mean? She brought hope. And I think she reminds, well, she reminds us all of Caden, because I mean, he was only 19 months old, but he had his, little character and his personality and his, little sister is, you know, she's got his personality and.
Charlie & Jill (23:31.565)
Okay.
Selina (23:58.536)
I think Sophie just thrives, she's a mother, even though Caden wasn't there, she was still his mom, you know what mean? So having Nevea, she's been able to be the mom that she was. I believe she's got a long way to go. She's got a lot of healing, but she's getting there. She's in a good place now.
Charlie & Jill (24:05.729)
Right.
Charlie & Jill (24:15.182)
Sure.
Charlie & Jill (24:20.01)
And and how old is Nivea is it? How old how old is she now? She just turned four, so it's been four years. It's very tough. Yeah, we have one of our nieces who actually her baby was still stillborn. And it was just tragic 'cause my brother and sister were there and and rushed over there.
Selina (24:24.341)
Yes. it's them four. Four years old.
Charlie & Jill (24:49.652)
And it was just a very tragic thing and she yeah, she she's she's been pained with that for a number of years. But you know, we we do know that Jesus, the scripture's very clear that he heals broken hearts and and he comforts those who mourn. And and you know, I know that in our case, in your case, that the Holy Spirit was was the only hope and your your daughters as well.
And God's love and God's spirit, God's compassion, the scripture says He's the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. He comforts us in all of our tribulation so that we can comfort others with the same comfort that we have received from the Lord, from him, and through him. And so, you know, I know that like you said at the beginning, you guys just had to be real strong, but at the same time in your lonely hours of just saying, How could this have happened?
And you know, we know that all good things come from God and and evil. The Satan goes about s seeking whom he may devour and he comes to steal, kill, and to destroy. And we just get can get really get mad at the enemy for some of these things that he's done. And you guys are a great example, you know, like for us, you know, we we've continued to lead worship.
But we had this book in our hearts to write about loss and write o to to to speak up for those who don't speak, who can't speak, those who are in the pews that have had losses and pain, but they're afraid to say anything because in our circles it's like you you're not given any permission to mourn. You're you're you're only told that you need rejoice in the Lord all the time, all the time, all the time. But scripture clearly shows us.
Great men and women of God grieved over the losses of their loved ones, and it was perfectly fine, and it was perfectly acceptable. In fact, Jesus, Scripture says that He keeps our tears in his bottles, in a bottle. He he loves us. He he it says he's close to the suffering. He suffers with those who suffer, as scripture says in Isaiah. And he and the scripture tells us to weep with those who weep. So we just like to encourage the listeners a lot of times that.
Charlie & Jill (27:12.01)
It's okay to grieve. It's okay to be sorrowful. I like to encourage people to do it with the Lord, with the Holy Spirit. When I would weep uncontrollably at times, even I even went to a doctor and said, Hey, can you help me? You know, because I'm crying all the time. And you know, he said, Charlie, you don't need any drugs, you know, you just need to get through this. But once I realized that the Lord loved me and that he was comforting me and he was going to help me through this.
that you know then i then i realized that i could grieve and he would hold me in those very very tough and difficult times but one of the things that we've done like you guys have is it's made us more angry at at the enemy and what he does in people's lives and and andrew you and I were talking about this today about when Jesus was at the tomb of Lazarus and how the scripture says he was angered at first
Selina (27:59.03)
Yes.
Selina (28:08.235)
Mm.
Charlie & Jill (28:08.458)
And you know, I believe he was angered because he saw what the devil does to people's lives. He saw the pain that the enemy brings into people's lives and the pain he's brought into your lives through through years of of of living, you know, away from him, and then now with even with a a grandchild losing and then what us losing our son. The pain of all that, I think Jesus wept because of that.
as well, but but you know you guys have done what we have you've turned this thing around and and you've decided to go and preach the gospel you've decided to just fight the enemy and destroy the works of the of the of the enemy to pray for the sick to to preach the gospel to get people saved and we just love that about you guys that you guys are so zealous you go on missions trips all the time
Selina (28:43.851)
Amen.
Charlie & Jill (29:04.736)
And tell us a little bit about that. Like like Andrew, like what w what birthed in your heart, you know, at at one point did I know you guys just love the Lord and you just w what what birthed this ministry? I mean, obviously pastoring, you love people, you want to help people, but Andrew, what what birthed this thing of like you guys go all over the nations and you do street witnessing? So how did that come to pass?
Selina (29:25.971)
Amen. Yeah. That came about really when Selena wanted to share the gospel with her daughter. And so God gave her a clear way to do that. And so that was the beginning of Reboot Ministry. The gospel, the way that Selena would share it with her daughter was just the way you switch your phone on and you switch it off.
when you have an issue, you switch it off and you restart it, your phone has been rebooted. And so that was kind of the concept of the way Selena would spread the gospel. And when we got together, Selena shared that with me and we believe that that was God giving us our start and formula as it were.
to actually bring in the gospel to everybody that had a smartphone, a computer or any kind of gadget which ranges from a six year old boy or girl up to an 80, 90 year old pensioner who've got smartphones. They understand if you switch it off and you switch it back on, you get rebooted. And so that was the concept. So with that concept, it was easy to share the gospel. People understood it. So as we did that locally,
Charlie & Jill (30:32.59)
Mm.
Selina (30:41.097)
You know, we believe that God has put that in our heart now to spread it internationally. So we take teams from England into different countries in the world and then we do mission trips. We do pastors meetings. We go to prisons. We do street outreach. We do schools. We do orphanages. You know, and we explain the gospel and people get it. People are being born again. People are being healed.
people have been transformed. And then we brought that back again into England and we've been teams from different countries to England. We go to different cities and we do the same. So we're seeing people born again on the streets now in England as well. And it's for us, when you've been transformed and it's a reality to you that God is real, you can't help but go and tell people. You know, it takes me back to the story when Jesus, he speaks to the demonic.
the guy who had the legion inside of him. His first kind of commission was Jesus said go back and tell people what the Lord has done for you. And it said he went and started to tell and people were amazed. And that was kind of like the beginning when you've met the Lord that's what you do you go you tell and people get amazed. So that was kind of the birth in place of what we do and from then God has just increased the vision.
And with the vision increasing, there's more resources needed, but the actual mission is the same. We can do one-to-one, or we can do it in a group, we can do it with a church, we can do it with a ministry, but the basis is when you're touched with the gospel and you know it's real, the first thing you want to do is go and tell people about Jesus. that's what we do.
Charlie & Jill (32:08.47)
Praise God.
Charlie & Jill (32:23.342)
Praise God. That is so awesome. I don't think I've ever asked you where the word reboot came from. And that that's just awesome. I love that. And so, friends, if you're hearing this, they have a they have a ministry called Reboot Ministry where they go all over the world. I mean, we've been talking with them. I mean, they're just they've already got three or four missions trips already planned in the next few months. They're going all over the world preaching the gospel. They do street ministry, they do drama.
Selina (32:28.319)
No.
Charlie & Jill (32:50.996)
And they share Jesus with people. It's just amazing. Door to door. Doing yeah, door-to-door stuff as well. And then besides that, they have their Sunday morning services at Keystone, Keystone Church. So if you could, if you desire to support them, you'll be supporting reaching people with the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Keystone Ministries. I mean, I'm sorry, Keystone Church or Reboot Ministries. Reboot Ministries is really the part that they go all over the world and preach the gospel.
Selina (33:19.498)
Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (33:20.984)
So and we also encourage you again to to look at their to get their book. Selena, is it on Amazon as well?
Selina (33:31.349)
So it is on Amazon. You can get it from there. You can also get it via my website. So I can then send personalized signed copies. So if you want a signed copy, can get it via me, or you can get it on Amazon.
Charlie & Jill (33:42.582)
Mm-hmm.
I don't think we have one. We do have one. Do we? sorry. And I've read it and it's awesome. Yeah.
Selina (33:50.923)
Thanks.
Yeah, it's better for me if people order them directly for me and then I get the opportunity to personalize them as well. I believe they're available in England anyway in different bookstores as well, but Amazon definitely.
Charlie & Jill (34:05.838)
Praise God. Well, it's so great that you've you've gotten this book out. I I know how that feels because we felt it once we got all this stuff out of our hearts when we put out our book, and for you to finally get all of this on paper so people can understand everything that you've been through. It's just beautiful. And then I see a forward by Andrew Walmack. So Andrew was actually the night you got saved ten years ago, he was
Selina (34:21.867)
Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (34:35.33)
doing the final message, right, that that made you come up.
Selina (34:38.525)
Yeah, he actually spoke about the woman with the issue of blood actually that night. I went back recently and listened to the message and at first I was a little surprised. I was like, okay, that's what he spoke about. But then as I listened to it and I was reminded of what he spoke about, he was talking about taking action, about hearing the word of God and acting on it. And I think it really impacted me. First, I'd heard the gospel the night before.
And then I heard Andrew speaking about how this woman, she'd heard about Jesus and she acted on it and she put a demand on the gospel basically. And when I heard that, it really stirred up something in me that I was like, okay, well, if this worked for her, do you know what mean? If we can put a demand, if we can say, okay, God, know, I'm done with this mess, I'm done with this life, I want it to be different, then let me try it. And yeah, Andrew.
He preached that message and then he did an altar call. He actually did this altar call for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So about 200 people went forward and I went forward with them, but I was thinking to myself, well, he just said that you need to be born again before you get the baptism. So I don't know how this is going to work for me. But he did actually say, he said, know, if there's anybody here that's not born again, you need to get born again first. And I think I was possibly one of two people.
Charlie & Jill (35:39.918)
Mm.
Charlie & Jill (35:52.962)
Yeah.
Selina (36:02.025)
that raised our hands to receive salvation. So yeah, he was the one that preached the gospel that night. He led me, not personally, from the stage, he led me in a prayer of salvation, so yeah.
Charlie & Jill (36:12.44)
Yeah. Well he's been so so blessed by your life and by your testimony, both of you, and and what God has done, how you've just pressed on with your church, with the reboot ministry. And it's such a blessing that he he put a forward in this book for you. And you know, we just know that that he loves you guys, we love you guys, and you guys have just a a real sparkling light for Jesus and we're real proud of you.
Now you recently put a video out for your ten year anniversary of of of just the in a nutshell. Was it like three or four minutes long or something like that? Okay. It's just fantastic. I I looked at it the other night and we were so blessed by it. And is that on YouTube yet?
Selina (36:53.083)
a bit longer, it's probably about six minutes I think.
Selina (37:04.179)
It is. It's on our Reboot Ministry and Keystone Church YouTube page. So it's on there. Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (37:09.408)
Okay. Okay. So actually they would just type in reboot ministries or and keystone. I mean, how would they find you on on YouTube?
Selina (37:18.025)
read the history, our page should come up.
Charlie & Jill (37:21.59)
Okay. We'll we'll have links below as well. Well yeah, I encourage you. So go ahead, sorry.
Selina (37:25.044)
And the other video is actually called You Belong to Me Now. So the title of is You Belong to Me Now. But it is on the YouTube page now, yeah.
Charlie & Jill (37:30.544)
yeah.
That is so awesome. I love that title. You belong to me now. Praise God. Well, I'll tell you, you've been through, both of you have been through a lot, and God has brought you through. Doesn't mean you won't have still won't have some trouble. I know these issues come up. Life is full of situations that we all have to get through but by his grace. But you guys have just really gotten through some really tough times by the grace of God, and you've really just shined for Jesus.
You continue to walk with him in faith. And we know that God has many, many more exciting years ahead of you and and powerful times of ministry. And we're really looking forward to being with you guys on Sunday morning. In fact, part of time you hear this, we will have already been there. And so you can you can probably go to our site or to their site and see that that Sunday morning that we do. So yeah, Joe, you have anything you want to
Say or close with. So thank you guys for joining us. I know that some things that you shared have really helped some people. And we just appreciate your lives and your story, your your tenacity to just keep going for it in the Lord and and the way that God has used you to pour into so many people and and ignite that fire in them for leading others to the Lord is just so it's just amazing. Yeah. So
We're honored to share this time with you. So thank you so much for joining us. Is there anything else that you'd like to share with the people, Selena, before we close, you know, or prayer or anything?
Selina (39:14.411)
One thing that I was thinking of was that when when Kaden passed away, I remember actually saying something to Andrew the same day. I probably could have phrased it differently looking back now. But I remember feeling so kind of like, you know, when somebody passes away, it's it's like it's it's final, isn't it? You know what mean? They're gone. And for me, I've never lost anybody. I'd lost my grandparents when I was a child. But
Charlie & Jill (39:37.262)
Yeah.
Selina (39:42.444)
as an adult, nobody had passed away. And I remember the day Caden died, I remember actually looking at my kids and looking at Andrew, looking at my parents and thinking to myself, you lot can't help me. And I remember actually saying to Andrew, you can't help me. And I don't know, I think maybe, I probably didn't word it that well, because you probably didn't understand what I was trying to say, but it was just a total realization that this pain was...
nobody could help me apart from God. And I remember that realization and I think sometimes we, you know, in the journey or in the moment, we forget that nobody can help us apart from God. know, people can comfort us, people can kind of get us through moments and days, but nobody can really help us apart from God. And I think that's so important because for me, even, you know, even though I knew that straight away, it's still and it still is because I mean, it's only been
Charlie & Jill (40:13.761)
Right.
Selina (40:40.971)
Caden passed away in 2019. So it's been like seven years, but it's still a journey. And I remember even five years after Caden passed away. And I remember telling Andrew this, I was driving my car and I remember thinking, know, Reese's turn in 21 this year. And then I thought, whoa, Caden must have been gone for five years because it Reese's birthday. And it hit me that it had been five years. And I actually realized in that moment that
I'd allowed the enemy to kind of steal my joy for five years. There was a, I mean, I was still happy. I was still joyful. We planted the church during those five years. We went on mission trips. We celebrated family occasions. We went on holiday. We did all sorts of stuff. But there was a moment of realization that I'd allowed the enemy to steal a part of joy that I shouldn't have done. And it was five years after Cade and I, and I remember thinking, man, this can't continue. This has to stop now.
Charlie & Jill (41:13.848)
Hmm. Wow.
Yeah.
Selina (41:39.667)
And I think it is, you know, that we sometimes just forget that God's the only one that can fix it. He's the only one that can help. And I think in any situation, getting that perspective is going to help because otherwise we go elsewhere. We try everything else and nothing else works.
Charlie & Jill (41:39.703)
Mm.
Charlie & Jill (41:56.611)
That's really good. That's that's excellent, excellent, excellent advice. 'Cause it's so true. You know, we he he is the only one that can re I mean, even as a husband and wife losing a child, you know, I knew Joe really couldn't pull me through this. And I and she knew I couldn't pull her through this. we we both had to find that place like you did, with Jesus alone.
Selina (42:02.571)
Yeah.
Charlie & Jill (42:23.15)
Trusting him to help us get because our journeys were different. our grief journeys, our pain, her pain, my reaction to it, her reaction was different. And only God can help you get through those, those very difficult things. And and I also like what you said about him, the enemy trying to steal your joy, because it I remember several times where I just thought, you know what? I'm not gonna let the enemy continue to to just destroy my heart, destroy my
You know, yes, I miss my son, but yes, I know he's in heaven. And and yes, it's still hard, yes, I still grieve, but I I just refuse to allow the enemy to because that's that's a problem. People, it's okay to grieve, it's okay to mourn. There's a time and a season for everything, Ecclesiastes says. But we do have to be careful that we don't allow let the enemy just beat us down and totally destroy us in the long run. We have some friends that years and years later they're still just kind of like,
you know, I don't know what to do. I don't know why this happened. I don't know, you know. And we're just like you know, we're trying our best to help them get through that because you've gotta come to a place where you realize that there is spiritual warfare and the enemy is trying to totally steal your life, steal your future. We realize that pretty pretty early in the journey that the enemy, you know, was just trying to destroy us, destroy our ministry, destroy our our music, destroy our future, because I really easily
wanted to walk away from everything that had anything that labeled with God on it because we felt he had failed us, you know, in a sense. So but yeah, we we've got to be aware, the scripture says be not ignorant of his devices. And we've got to we've got to be aware of that fine line sometimes between having godly sorrow and having a moment where you miss your loved one, but not allowing the enemy to just totally destroy you in those moments.
Selina (43:59.018)
Yeah.
Selina (44:06.494)
Yeah.
Selina (44:20.359)
Yes, I think that's why as well it's so important for us as well to help people to not only receive the gospel but to understand the truth about God because from our experience you know the only way you're going to survive something you know like loss, like grief is being born again because otherwise how you know God can't comfort you but you know even being born again you don't understand you know the truth about God I mean we had those same thoughts you know
Charlie & Jill (44:32.27)
Yeah.
Selina (44:50.067)
Why has this happened? know, God, why didn't you tell us? Why didn't you stop it? Why didn't you do something? And only knowing, you know, I think I heard someone say once, don't let what you don't know, you know, stop what you do know. And for us, we knew God was good, but we didn't know why Caden died. So we had to focus on the fact that God was good and forget about why did he die. Because otherwise, if you don't focus on the truth, then you will end up in a downward spiral. So for me, sometimes
Charlie & Jill (44:53.622)
Right. yeah.
Selina (45:18.759)
seeing people grieving and them not knowing the Lord, for me it's like if you can just explain the gospel, get them to understand who God is, then you they can be helped because otherwise you can't help them because there's you know there's no truth, there's no light, so it's so important to understand the truth.
Charlie & Jill (45:34.658)
Yeah, that's really true.
Yeah, that's it's so true. God's really good the truth will set you free. And if you listen to the lies of the enemy, you will be destroyed. Yeah. So anyway. Andrew, I wonder if you could close us out in prayer and just pray for the people who are listening. Some of them maybe have we started at the beginning, maybe have children that have gone astray. We have others who have lost loved ones.
Selina (45:43.445)
Yeah.
Selina (45:48.267)
You will.
Charlie & Jill (46:04.852)
And so if you could just close us in in a prayer to just love on them and help them and get through this difficulty.
Selina (46:13.195)
So Father we just thank you Lord for your goodness, for your mercy and for your love Father. That in every situation Father, you tell us that you see it, you hear it, you feel it and that you are there with us without fail, even when we don't feel it. It says you're working behind the scenes for those that love you and are called to your purpose Father. And so Father we just pray right today Father, for those that have lost loved ones.
Charlie & Jill (46:23.821)
Yeah.
Selina (46:41.717)
that have lost families or friends, father, God or children, that there's just a real deep revelation of the love that you have for them personally. That you see and you feel and that you know what they're going through. They're not alone right now. Even if they feel like they're alone. That there is something deeper that is drawing them into a relationship.
goes beyond the natural feelings that we have of loss. Father, that you would just continue by your Holy Spirit just to bring people around that would comfort those people, Father, and that would have the understanding of your love so that they can bring the right understanding, the right words, the right touch, the right understanding to what they're feeling, Father God. Father God, there would just be an outpouring again of your Spirit, Father God.
Charlie & Jill (47:31.336)
Mm-hmm. Thank you.
Charlie & Jill (47:38.851)
Mm-hmm.
Selina (47:39.476)
Where hurt is father god they find restoration. Where loss is father god they find relationship. Where doubt is father god they see and understand to believe in how good you are father god.
Charlie & Jill (47:46.935)
Yes.
Charlie & Jill (47:54.124)
Yeah.
Selina (47:54.73)
So Father, as people just continue on this journey, Father God, of trying to comprehend what's happened, Father, we know that your Spirit is doing these things. praying right now. We know that you do it because this is who you are. You are love and you are understanding. You are goodness. You are mercy, Father. I believe that right now people are starting to feel a tangible feel of your love in their hearts right now, Father God. There are minds that are being transformed to the reality of who you are.
And I believe there's even people listening today who don't know who you are because words are being spoken and the spirit that is in those words. They're asking themselves, should I believe in this God? Can I believe in this God? And your spirit is bringing that reassurance and that confirmation that this is the only way that they can get through their situation.
Charlie & Jill (48:28.622)
Hm.
Selina (48:46.175)
that they will reach out to people who they know already know you Father and they will ask, how do I know this God? How can I know this God that shows this much mercy, shows this much love and that they will be pointed to you and they will give their lives to you Father God. That they will get revived Father God from this podcast Father God. That the words that go out and the comfort that goes out Father God, people will start to be drawn back to you.
Charlie & Jill (49:01.301)
Mm-hmm.
Selina (49:11.549)
in multitudes, Father God. So we just thank you today. We thank you for your love, your understanding, Father God. And we just know that this podcast, Father God, is blessing people by your spirit. And Father God, that you're going to increase the range, Father God, that this podcast is going, Father God, just to touch people's lives and transform them, Father God. We speak this, Father God, we believe it, and we know that you're going to change many hearts, Father God, in the wonderful name.
Charlie & Jill (49:32.27)
Amen.
Charlie & Jill (49:37.87)
Amen.
Selina (49:40.007)
Amen. I just want to pray as well very quickly, just for the parents out there that have children that have gone astray, whether they're young or whether they're grown up, I just pray that you would just give them peace and you would just comfort them and you would just allow them to release their children to you so that they don't have to worry and be anxious and concerned all the time of what's going to happen. But actually you will reassure them that you have their children, that you are their father as well.
And I thank you that you are the one that draws people to you and that as human beings, all we can do is share your truth. And then we have to step back and allow your spirit to do the work. So right now I just thank you for comforting people. I thank you for that feeling of release, that feeling of peace that is going to come over people listening who realize that actually they can release their hold on their children, on their grandchildren or whoever it is that they're just praying for to come back to you, that they can release them to you. that actually
Charlie & Jill (50:05.453)
Thank you.
Charlie & Jill (50:26.615)
Mm-hmm.
Selina (50:33.919)
You're much better than us at drawing people. So I thank you for the people that are going to be restored to you, the people that are going to realise that you are the way and the truth and the life and that, you know, there is no other way but through you. So I just give you thanks that you are going to come into situations and change them in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thanks. Amen.
Charlie & Jill (50:52.27)
Amen. That's powerful, you guys. Thank you so much. Yeah. Gosh. Great. Yeah. Well, thanks so much again for being on the podcast, as Jill said earlier. We want to remind everybody to go to Reboot Ministries, go to Keystone Church, send them an offering, help them reach more people. And their book, get it on Amazon or go to their website and grab one. You can get assigned.
Selina (51:00.521)
enough.
Selina (51:22.786)
Amen.
Charlie & Jill (51:23.19)
Amen. All right. Well, thanks again, guys. We love y'all. And we'll talk to you guys later. Well, God bless everybody. Thank you for joining us on the podcast. And we'll see you again for the next broadcast on next Tuesday. So God bless.