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Join us as we explore a wide range of topics including craft beers, nostalgic candies, skateboarding, and the evolution of athletic performance. This episode is packed with insights, personal stories, and a dash of humor that will entertain and inform. In this engaging episode, hosts delve into the emotional depths of anime, the art of storytelling, and the shared experience of fandom. They explore their favorite series, the impact of anticipation, and the power of media to evoke genuine feelings.
Hosts:
Grizz:
Ice Bear:
Untappd Accounts:
Takeaways:
Craft beer tasting and reviews
Nostalgic candies and childhood memories
Skateboarding tricks and gear customization
The evolution of athletic performance and doping
Cultural references in collectibles and pop culture The emotional impact of anime like Gantz and Clannad
The significance of anticipation in media consumption
The art of storytelling—tragedy vs comedy
Favorite anime series and their emotional resonance
The shared experience and camaraderie among fans
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction and Microphone Setup
01:26 Craft Beer Tasting Begins
08:27 Nostalgic Snacks and 90s Advertising
20:24 Sports Commentary: Wemby's Impressive Skills
23:45 The Evolution of Athletic Performance
26:23 The Fearlessness of Young Athletes
27:23 Performance Enhancers and the Future of Sports
31:03 Beer Tasting and Lighthearted Banter
47:35 Celebrating Pow Days and Craft Beer
50:39 The Philosophy of Storytelling in Anime
01:00:25 The Impact of Endings in Fiction
01:10:23 The Anticipation of Weekly Releases
01:14:54 Introduction to Anime Recommendations
01:15:27 The Struggle with Steins Gate
01:16:20 The Emotional Impact of Clannad
01:19:23 Sleeper Anime Recommendations
01:21:29 Exploring F: A Tale of Memories
01:25:25 Winter 2026 Anime Highlights
01:29:23 Final Thoughts and Beer Ratings
01:39:37 Episode Outro 37.mp4
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Resources:
Black Raven Brewing - https://blackravenbrewing.com
Callaboogee Brewing - https://callaboogee.com
Town Brewery - https://townbrewery.com
Nintendo Power - https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/games/nintendo-power
Game Informer - https://www.gameinformer.com
Gantz Manga - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Gantz+manga
Clannad Anime - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=example
Steins Gate - https://www.crunchyroll.com/steins-gate
Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack - https://music.apple.com/us/album/cowboy-bebop-soundtrack/123456789
Anime F Series - https://www.anime-website.com/f-series
Keywords:
craft beer, nostalgia, skateboarding, athletic performance, gaming, pop culture, beverages, collectibles anime, storytelling, emotional impact, fandom, series analysis, anticipation, media effects
Creators and Guests
What is 2 Bears 2 Beers?
"2 Bears 2 Beers" is a fun and laid-back podcast where two friends, often indulging in a beer or two, chat about anything and everything. From quirky stories to random thoughts, it’s all about enjoying great conversation and sharing laughs in a relaxed, no-pressure vibe. Perfect for anyone looking to unwind and have a good time!
Grizz (00:34)
Dang, I feel like that was a, I feel like the microphones picked up that and crack way better than they have been in the last couple of times. You think so? You guys probably right, right?
Ice Bear (00:42)
I think we're angling them better. think we've learned
the sweet spot. It's the wisdom of being two seasons deep. To be, to be. Season two, episode two. To be, to be.
Grizz (00:48)
Look at us. Look at us. It's like we just
It's like a, dude.
Ice Bear (01:03)
You know what I was also thinking about? We need an excuse to use the other opening.
Grizz (01:11)
⁓ yeah. mean.
Ice Bear (01:12)
two best two best
two best two best. That was an equal banger.
Grizz (01:16)
It was really good. do we do need to use it. We could also eventually trying to find time to where we can do a Bears After Dark thing.
Ice Bear (01:26)
Because
that was the original plan, right? That was going to be the opening for a Bears After Dark. Yes. Which would be very funny. For us, if no one else, then that's all that really matters.
Grizz (01:29)
Yeah.
Yeah, I think we gotta do it.
You know what? We got like homey
in India, Spain and Portugal. And don't think I forgot about you, Thailand.
Ice Bear (01:47)
The official... I was gonna say trifecta but we added a fourth one in there. The square of bear solidarity. Square bears. Thank you square bears. We love you square bears.
Grizz (01:57)
Look at that. Squared bears is a beautiful thing.
Squared bears for life.
Ice Bear (02:06)
Well, what are you drinking over there in the pack northwest?
Grizz (02:11)
Alright, so this one actually I'm very, very, very excited for. I got this one when the tiger was in the old P &O. So a you know, I'm going go off. No, no, no. Actually, I'll say so there's a brewing company that now is beautiful. That was beautiful. That was like a nice. That was a nice again. Like you're just dipping into a lemon meringue pie. I can hold that back up. Look, that does look like a lemon. Look at that. That lemon meringue.
Ice Bear (02:33)
you
Grizz (02:43)
That's powerful.
Ice Bear (02:43)
⁓
Like a menacing lizard. Lizard, lizard.
Grizz (02:48)
Look at that.
eating the brains. All right. This is from a brewery from one of the first breweries I had when I was visiting this area. This is from the super cool Black Raven Brewing. They had the Trickster. Yeah. Awesome. This. They have the Mecca Raven. Yes. Yeah. So they, had the Mecca Raven and initially I had the Trickster IPA. That was the first one I had from them. And then I had the Mecca.
Ice Bear (02:53)
I'm eating the beer brains.
⁓ yeah, great name. Were they the ones with the Mecha Zord? Yeah.
Grizz (03:20)
This one right here is going to be a 6 % and it says you unlock this door with the key of imagination beyond. It is another dimension, a dimension of aroma, a dimension of a mouthfeel, a dimension of taste. You're moving into the land of both tartness and fruit. You've been crossed over into the alternate dimension.
Ice Bear (03:48)
And is that a four-eyed raven?
Grizz (03:52)
This is alternate dimension of four eyed raven for this.
Ice Bear (03:54)
Watermelon
mint sour. I would fuck that up.
Grizz (03:58)
This looked absolutely amazing. had to get it. It's.
Ice Bear (04:00)
That sounds fantastic. I
would give that beer the old one-two skidoo.
Grizz (04:07)
I've had this since like a little after Christmas, like before New Year's and I've been, it's been burning a hole. Look at that color.
Ice Bear (04:14)
⁓
I hope you like it because I'm super sure I would love that.
Grizz (04:25)
And you get this hint of sour. I'm not getting a lot of watermelon, but I am getting mint.
Ice Bear (04:42)
brains.
Grizz (04:47)
My first initial thing, so I think this can go either way. It's either going to become too strong or too overbearing or it's going to be great. But I'm getting like, ⁓
What's the gum with the bird or the duck? Is it hubba bubba or is it a bubba-licious? Yeah, come on, the fucking the kids chewing gum. They had like them blocks and they had a duck on it and had like a duck with a gum mohawk sometimes.
Ice Bear (05:06)
with the duck.
⁓
⁓
I do know what you're talking about. Is that hubba bubba? Because didn't the wrapping paper have a tattoo at one point, like a temporary like.
Grizz (05:24)
All
right. No, I think that that one's the zoo one you're talking of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now the one I'm talking about is I think they had taped for a little bit and then they went to like squares and there was like two tiered tastes right and it had like like put bubble go. So they had to tape one but then they went to these squares and I do like like do put bubble gum duck watermelon.
Ice Bear (05:27)
zoo-zoolicious or something.
Okay, yeah, yeah, bu-bubble tape!
Okay, bubble gum, duck, water.
investigating hard-hitting journalism as always.
This really failed hard. I love AI. Bubblegum duck watermelon likely refers to Bubble Yum's duck mascot Floyd the Duck paired with the watermelon flavor option. Does that sound right? Does Floyd the Duck sound familiar?
Grizz (06:29)
Google Floyd D duck.
Ice Bear (06:31)
the
Grizz (06:35)
Yep, that's my boy right there. Yeah from both bubble yum. That's my fucking dude. Look at that bubble gum mohawk
Ice Bear (06:36)
that's that's your boy Floyd D duck
I need to find the Floyd.
Grizz (06:45)
Look at this fucking dude and he has a fucking
nose ring and everything. Look at this fucking guy. Look at that guy right there. Yeah, he's awesome. He was fucking great.
Ice Bear (06:51)
he is intense. I,
I missed out on this whole part of the bubble yum legacy. I didn't know he was their mascot. I've never seen him before.
Grizz (07:02)
Yeah, and so there was a watermelon flavor, right? So like.
So those are watermelon flavor, right? This is fucking peak 90s too. An awesome peak 90s really.
Ice Bear (07:17)
That really is. That duck goes so hand in hand with like a pair of Jinkos and a nice Spitfire shirt and a Walkman that weighs nine pounds.
Grizz (07:24)
Dude, fuck yeah.
day, Spitfire was pretty cool. I remember when I was like a little skater kid in the 90s, early 2000s, I had a world industries board and I thought it was the coolest shit ever.
Ice Bear (07:42)
Oh, you're a bad boy. You're a
Grizz (07:45)
⁓ and
then one time for a while, you know, I had a a gunner premonition. I had a hookup sport, the nurse one. That was the coolest shit ever. then, wonder I felt like liked anime.
Ice Bear (08:00)
You know, but you groomed yourself. That's amazing. What the hell?
Grizz (08:02)
Did you ever see the hookup sports? ⁓ did do myself.
So I'm just gonna,
or ditching. Anyway, so this, beer tastes like that watermelon flavor a little bit or whatever it was with a hint, with a hint of like, it feels like I'm drinking watermelon juice while I'm chewing like a spearmint gum.
Ice Bear (08:17)
Okay.
Interesting. Okay. I still think I would like it.
Grizz (08:30)
As of we stand now, I do like it.
Ice Bear (08:34)
how, are we on the sour front? Like how sour are we talking?
Grizz (08:39)
Honestly, it's very mild.
Ice Bear (08:41)
Okay, so I would probably love that then. Because I don't need Sours to be like a warhead. I prefer when the Sours more of a kind of a back end thing.
Grizz (08:53)
Yeah, it is actually it's very nice and I am enjoying it to a large degree so far. And I'm going to hope it stays that way. All right, look, to give you an idea. Actually, what the fuck am I doing? I can just share the screen. That's primitive. put white. Yeah, are you?
Ice Bear (08:55)
Mm.
You silly goose.
you're pulling that up. Let me tell you about this over here. And I'm going to have to apologize to my fellow maples because there's several towns that I feel like I'm going to butcher because I've never seen these or heard anyone say them before. This is from what I'm guessing is Callaboogee Brewing.
Grizz (09:31)
the fuck?
Ice Bear (09:32)
Yes, this is from ⁓ handcrafted in the Ottawa Valley, brewed in Kalabugi and Kanata, Ontario. This is Kalabugi booings, pale ale, winter solstice. This is a simple, simple, elegant, ⁓ 5.7. So not terribly strong. The reason I got this is for this flavor profile. The winter solstice is smooth.
Grizz (09:46)
I love that, like the monochrome.
Ice Bear (10:02)
tropical and pine, brood in small batches. So I saw that and I was like, probably gonna like it. And as it so happens, I still like all those things. So this is, this is in fact, a good beer. ⁓ Much like the other few that I've had with this kind of like flavor profile. It's just hard capped at a B because it's good and it's none of them are doing anything special anymore.
Grizz (10:08)
I like all those things. Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Ice Bear (10:32)
I've had so many of these that are, they are very good. And if this is the first time you've had this combo flavors, I can see someone giving it an A easy because it's quite tasty. But we've had, we're, mean, we're what? 37 episode? What is this? What episode is this going to be? We're, we're, we're a lot of episodes deep on average to two beers per episode. So realistically.
Grizz (10:51)
A lot. I don't know.
Ice Bear (11:02)
just in the recorded era, we've had a hundred different little bruskadoos. And we also did this for two years before we started recording it.
Grizz (11:16)
It's been up there for sure it's been up there like we've we've most definitely
Ice Bear (11:19)
So, so like,
realistically, we've both had, I think, safely, just in in in the context of to be to be a couple hundred. And then we also both have been professional drinkers for decades. So I mean, the amount of crap, the amount of craft beers we've had. It's it's a high number. So at this point, I'm just getting nitpicky. Just getting.
Grizz (11:37)
for a little too long.
Yeah, that's very true.
Ice Bear (11:49)
getting little stricter with migrating in 2026.
Grizz (11:53)
That's perfectly fine. Look at this.
Ice Bear (11:56)
⁓ yeah, I can see why you like, I can see why you like this.
Grizz (12:03)
as a
wee young 12, 13 year old lad.
Ice Bear (12:06)
The, ⁓ that leopard
print one looks like something our fallen brother was a fan of, Yeah. They got Chun Li. wait, so are these like actual characters? they like, like were these like co-labs or did they just kind of steal the art?
Grizz (12:11)
Lump.
I love them, they're fucking awesome.
What? Did I get time leave?
So they
did collapse, but they were primarily doing just regular, I guess, original characters, or they would do like homages to other anime stuff at the time.
Ice Bear (12:35)
So wait, what's the WWF one? Is that supposed to be Sable? Or China? Who's that supposed to be?
Grizz (12:43)
Let's see. Ooh, actually, I never ever thought about it being China. That's a...
No, because China didn't have a one piece. had this she took the top and the bottom right. So like, they had definitely not that I think this just
Ice Bear (12:58)
just a random?
Grizz (12:59)
Yeah.
But yeah, yeah, they're cool. Yeah, I had one of those. I had the nurse one. It was just like.
Ice Bear (13:03)
These are cool. These are cool skateboards.
So wait,
did you have like a standard deck or did you do like a mini or a long?
Grizz (13:15)
by standard.
Ice Bear (13:17)
see, I when I was a Ute, I also did just normal decks. And I somewhere along the way, I lost my ability to ride those completely. And so now like when the seal and I go out and about, we both have long boards, and they're super fun. But if you give me a normal deck, I don't know if I can skate anymore. I think I might fall over.
Grizz (13:38)
had one for a little bit like a few years ago. And I was like, I was surprised I was still able to do very honest.
Ice Bear (13:41)
The thing.
The thing about long boards that I really enjoy are you can you can kind of bomb hills better.
Grizz (13:51)
Yeah, I can imagine that for sure.
Ice Bear (13:53)
And like the seals hers, I love getting dried hers because she has like a drop deck. like, you know, like if you're real well and the board will drop over and that like the amount of turn, especially if you loosen the trucks a little bit, like you can really rip corners, which is super fun because my balance is not great. So I love anything that like the boards kind of allowing me to be a little more adventurous.
Grizz (14:02)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I had this board specific back in the day.
Ice Bear (14:28)
Very nice. Now, did you did you like custom your wheels or did you just stick with like the stock shit?
Grizz (14:34)
Uh, let's talk, I mean, I would always have like, um, yeah, it would just be like, uh, so for my, for me, the skate shop back in the day was fast forward was one of them. And so like, we would, uh, we would just have that, right. So like, um, did I stop sharing? Okay, cool. Yeah. So like, uh, so like, there's a, maybe I make sure cause I was like,
Ice Bear (14:47)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
You did. Yes. Here,
here, here, here, vintage hentai collection is safe. Don't worry.
Grizz (15:06)
Yeah. Yeah,
nice. So like I would have like the usually would just be like the whatever wheels like like bones or like whatever like skate shops, whatever wheels. The only thing I kind of cared about back then was like kind of the trucks, but more of just the bearings and I would only just be the same bearings ever. And I didn't really even know that much, but it was just that.
Ice Bear (15:16)
Mm.
Mm. Yeah.
Grizz (15:31)
In this game magazines, I keep seeing bone Swiss sounds like that's one I want bone Swiss. I had bones read a couple of times been a bones Swiss because they were faster. I don't know if they were faster, but in my head they were.
Ice Bear (15:35)
You
I was so,
so incredibly manipulated by advertising in that age, like from like 10 to like 16, God damn did ads work on me. They still do. But like, especially back then they worked on me. There were things that I would want almost need. I didn't even know what the benefit was.
Grizz (15:55)
fuck yeah. I kinda do.
Ice Bear (16:09)
But I was like, shit, saw that and slam or Nintendo Power or whatever periodical young me was reading at the time.
Grizz (16:15)
The Nintendo power
was such a good fucking magazine. That Nintendo power and game informer were fucking great.
Ice Bear (16:27)
Game Informer was great. Yes.
The only reason I leaned into Nintendo Power is at the time, I didn't get anything else until the PlayStation 3 came out. That was my first non-Nintendo system. But the reason I liked Nintendo Power, Nintendo fanboyism aside, I really liked the way they did their grading system. Because you'd get through all the new kind of like previews of games and reviews and shit and then...
Grizz (16:50)
Mm.
Ice Bear (16:54)
They had that like grade system at the end. I found it very easy to understand in my little elementary middle school mind. It's like, ah, yes, a 9.5. Perfect. This is better than Ocarina of Time or like, you know.
Grizz (17:08)
True, but yes.
Yeah, that's that's it. And I have a good grading system. I remember specifically, I think I was like in fifth grade and in a game informer magazine, there was a girl with whatever game. was like, this is like the prettiest girl I've seen in my life. Right. And I was like, yeah. And then I saw her and because I was like a beach one, there was like a super bad project being made.
Ice Bear (17:29)
You
Uh-huh.
Grizz (17:41)
And
one of the musicians was like, that was his wife. And I was like, what the fuck? And then I found out I found out she did. Nudie films. And. I felt like a dirty birdie. I felt I was I was like, oh, my God, I. It's like a moralist corrupt cub. I was was so I was I was so ashamed I was like.
Ice Bear (17:50)
⁓ my lanta.
You were, you were, you're an absolute deviant.
I was purely there for the articles.
God was looking down at you with just sad, sad eyes. Where have I gone wrong with him?
Grizz (18:22)
Miss Ashi would have been disappointed with me.
Ice Bear (18:25)
coveting another man's wife.
Grizz (18:29)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (18:30)
I wonder who it was.
shit i can't remember any of the people from back then i remember ⁓ what's there was someone that i feel like got their start not start but like got famous because of ⁓ nintendo power
The one that the one that cosplayed Pikachu like it's just some random white girl, but now she's like very famous. what is her name?
Grizz (18:59)
⁓
it's the one I'm thinking of, doesn't it? agree. Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Ice Bear (19:02)
Yep, that's her Jessica. Yep. Yep.
Because yeah, she was in a Nintendo Power way back when. And it was, yeah, because she's like, I think a little bit older than us. So it was probably like, she's like, 1819 something. And I was 14 or 15. Who knows? Yeah, it was just and it wasn't even a good one. It was a bad Pikachu cosplay, but she got so famous.
Grizz (19:09)
I didn't even know that.
Yeah, I knew her when she was already like a bigger cosplayer when like the cosplay scene wasn't huge You know what mean?
Ice Bear (19:39)
Yeah, the weirdest thing like that that I ever had was Yaya Han was at a con in Montreal, and there's a dude just like freaking out because she signed his DS. And I didn't know who it was. So just like, I don't need not or I don't know who you are.
Grizz (19:59)
Let's
see if that is a lot more thought.
Ice Bear (20:02)
I should have. I should have.
Grizz (20:04)
You
hit him with this or you want to be like slightly more engaging but less want to get him one of these Just keep what while you walk just keep walking
Ice Bear (20:12)
Ha ha.
Nothing better than a little passive finger gun.
Grizz (20:24)
yeah.
Ice Bear (20:26)
that's this is why our listeners are here from from the countries they're like dating dating advice.
Grizz (20:34)
Sure.
Just saying you want to sift between just a regular tie girl and a ladyboy. You just do give them one of these. And if they hit you with a double, it's probably a ladyboy. Single.
Ice Bear (20:56)
Well, Thailand, once again, we apologize. Sorry, our apologies. Oopsie daisy.
Grizz (21:06)
We love you.
Ice Bear (21:10)
Well, let me tell you, I really want my second one, I have to earn it. I have to finish this thing first.
Grizz (21:18)
same. I'm actually really enjoying this. The flavors that I thought that were going to be overbearing have stayed consistently the same. But like in a good way. So like it's actually just very enjoyable the entire way through. I'm really really liking this.
Ice Bear (21:19)
Mm.
Nice.
Very nice.
Well done, four-eyed raven. What's it called again?
Grizz (21:38)
alternate dimension.
Ice Bear (21:39)
alternate dimensions.
Sweet. Bless you. Bless you, sir. Speaking of alternate dimensions. Have you seen Sir Wemby since he's gone bald? He's now bald head.
Grizz (21:44)
you
I am not.
Ice Bear (22:02)
He now looks more alien-like, and he's I think more powerful due to the lack of wind resistance.
Grizz (22:08)
could see that. think there's a certain amount of drag with them fucking locks.
Ice Bear (22:12)
He there's there's a couple things in his last games that he's been doing consistently that if he can stay healthy, he's going to be a nightmare for people. One is if he posts up top of the key, like free throw line adjacent. He can spin and dunk from there. Like he needs one step and he can dunk from there. So it's like you can't you can't defend it. And the other thing is he has started adding a
like spinning fade away three. from the logo where a lot of guys are like just yeeting stuff from now. He'll come not fully in the corner, but like on that kind of like angle of the three point line. And he just gets there and he just, I bet he's shooting like 45 % in the past three weeks.
Grizz (22:45)
How about
Ice Bear (23:03)
And it's no one is tall enough to block him, especially fading away. So it's like, he, he can just hit that semi consistently, there's nothing that anyone can do unless they're just going to foul him or try and hurt him. That's, that's the only answer.
Grizz (23:18)
That's the crazy thing, like.
I can say we've gotten all the talks like with like, you know, like all the goat talks are like, kind of like just the next flame kind of thing. I've been kind of getting in like impromptu with other people like so and but, it is crazy how much guys nowadays are just like fucking like borderline anomalies.
Ice Bear (23:28)
you
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (23:45)
You know, I guess it's kind of like the thing of like when the first person dealt with it a thousand pounds and then like after that, like people sort of fucking hitting it and a little more off because like that ceiling's gone and people see what like what's possible. therefore like can train to it kind of thing. Yeah. So it's, it's kind of, it's just crazy to see how like the next generations kind of are, are just pushing it past more and more. what's, and what's normal is like, was amazing back then.
Ice Bear (23:52)
Yes. Yeah.
Exactly. Dude, I think about this all the time in terms of how society pushes forward over the years. If you were to throw me back in the 30s, I'm an Olympian for track. Mile times were not that, mile times have gotten that much better. Like a sub six mile time was insane back then.
just absolutely bananas. And now you have a ton of dudes that are sub four. And it's I think it's only a matter of time before someone gets a three minute mile. I can I can absolutely see it.
Grizz (24:51)
I take those little boys that are fucking do some crazy ass shit on the skateboard and stuff. Now, like they're doing like the first ever. Like a 12 year old. Yeah. And it's like, what the fuck is this?
Ice Bear (24:57)
⁓ yeah, absolutely. my god, there's like 12 year olds that are outstanding. Absolutely outstanding.
Especially like park runs. Holy shit, they use every bit of the park. They're not scared to try crazy shit either. So like, no sense of danger.
Grizz (25:10)
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's the thing, there's like, there's a little,
yeah, there's like self preservation hasn't like fully hit them yet. So they're able to just like full send stuff. And I think that's a, know, that's a huge part of it as well.
Ice Bear (25:54)
I got really distracted researching mile times over the years. Because yeah, so you had for just forever, no one could hit a four-minute mile, like a sub-four. It just wasn't possible. And then some dude in 1954 gets 359. And then since then, it's just shaving it lower and lower and lower. And now.
Grizz (26:01)
What are we talking?
Ice Bear (26:23)
Some guy had a three minute 43 second mile.
So it's just, you it's it'll happen. Just people, people get, you know, the other thing I'm very curious about, have you heard they're doing some sort of Olympics that's like you're encouraged to do performance enhancers? I can't remember the name of it. It's like the real games or the enhanced, I think enhanced games, maybe. Which is absolutely wild, like, fucking kill yourself. We don't care, but I am curious.
Grizz (26:50)
yeah, yeah.
Ice Bear (26:58)
to see what a person can do if they're just absolutely right out of their minds.
Let them do the experiment for us.
Grizz (27:11)
I mean.
Ice Bear (27:15)
as long as they know what they're getting into.
Grizz (27:19)
for it. 1000 % I'm all for it.
Ice Bear (27:23)
Because I'm curious, like, if you let Hafthor Bjornsson or Eddie Hull, if you let them blast and cruise and just like line a coke right before a lift, like, what can they pull? What's their real limit?
Grizz (27:38)
Exactly.
The thing that's like, you know, everybody already already cycles and they just have to like, game the thing and they have to like time that and everything like, if they just take away that form that that level of like, having the curve off or like that anxiety board or whatever they can just dial in and just focus on what we already know they're doing. Like, you know, how much more dope it's gonna be like,
Ice Bear (28:00)
Yeah.
That's the thing that I really wonder. So you think it's all of them? Do you think they're all already using some sort of, yeah.
Grizz (28:12)
Yeah. Some, some
form. mean, cause it, cause the thing is she was like either that or it's what fucking like, cause okay. You, have to think that most people that are running gear aren't running it like they weren't before. Right. Like it's more steady pace dose, dosing kind of thing. More low doses kind of just consistently throughout the year, instead of hitting fucking crazy hard cycles and then fucking tapering on and off. Like they figured out a better way to do it. Right. There's even dudes that are like low level things are just running fucking tests.
Ice Bear (28:33)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Grizz (28:42)
Right. And they're not even running anything else. ⁓ so like, okay, the guy gets on TRT. It's not much fucking different. Okay. Grant, you're talking about seven, eight, nine times the dose of a regular TRT hit, but it's essentially kind of just a more extreme version of it. Like, I don't know, man. It's
Ice Bear (28:49)
Yeah.
Grizz (29:04)
Again, I think most people all are already doing it.
especially at that level.
Again, if you want to push your body to that level to do the thing like, if I can do it.
That's why I love like the untested fucking meats and shit like in parallel thing and stuff. Like it's fucking great.
Ice Bear (29:30)
Yeah.
Yeah. Does, is SPF still untested?
Grizz (29:39)
Most of it is I think they do have tested lines, even like, we've been like, yeah, cause even like USPA they had untested and tested. All right. And I think, ⁓ USA PL was the only one that had just complete tested.
Ice Bear (29:42)
They have a test division now.
Mmm.
I've been out of the knowledge pool of that for a bit now. Have they settled down on the bullshit brand loyalty? Because there's a stretch there, so you still have to have an Inzer singlet or something.
Grizz (30:10)
for IPF.
Well, so like it's IPF, right? So that's like, you know, say if you're on IPF, like to be IPF approved, you have to pay fucking like hundreds of thousands of dollars to get approved. Yeah. Yeah. With IPF, IPF sluicing support. I guess if he has also losing support in general.
Ice Bear (30:22)
So there is still bullshit. Okay. There is still bullshit. All right.
And that's like,
the thing is, like, if you're going to make it awful and expensive, of course people are going to go to where it's more fun. And, and last time I looked into it, like there were sometimes like prizes, like cash prizes, like if you're going to. So if your option is spend thousands to have a mediocre time wearing gear that you don't really like, or have the potential to win money, having fun.
Grizz (30:45)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (30:58)
wearing whatever the fuck you want. like, what are people going to pick? Of course, they're going to go that route. It's an absolute no brainer.
Grizz (31:01)
Yeah.
1000%.
Yeah, that was a, there was a lot, there's, know, so like, know like even now, like with this new rule book changing for 2026, there's been a, I haven't been like actually read it, right? Yeah, but I didn't, I haven't been seeing like people flare up about, you still supporting the IPF now with these rules changes kind of thing. I got to look into it, but I have been seeing that pop up here and there.
Ice Bear (31:35)
⁓ or do they have like some sort of like trans regulation or something?
Grizz (31:39)
They did a while back, but like it was like it was just one of those like that one was years ago and they had support and think against, know, for that one. ⁓ But no, think this was just general like rule changes.
Because I think that one was like two, three years ago when we were, some people were pissed off that like male to female is currently competing female.
Ice Bear (32:11)
a
Grizz (32:14)
Some people always have it, some people weren't.
Ice Bear (32:21)
Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, that's in the Supreme Court right now, is it not? Or up on the docket?
Grizz (32:27)
I know
if they're actually going to. They never, they rarely ever, they're,
Ice Bear (32:30)
I think that was...
I'm scared. I'm scared. I didn't say beer wench. now I said beer wench. Don't hit me! Don't hit me! Not again! Not again! ⁓ well was... Ow! Did you hurt yourself? What happened? How did you perish? no, this is terrible. No! No!
Grizz (32:45)
Hahaha!
Challenging to a false sense of security.
You sick, you sick the wolf.
Ice Bear (33:07)
The wolf came to murder his mother. Jesus. That is terrible loyalty. Terrible loyalty. You just fell to the ground. He's like, well, time to eat you. We don't want this food to go to waste.
Grizz (33:22)
What is what is
he a cat or a small dog?
Ice Bear (33:26)
He's a small doggo. A small 130 pound doggo. ⁓ God. ⁓ no. ⁓ no. hello. Kissy. Kissy. Give him a kiss. He's like, why would you do that, Mommy? I'm cute. What chaotic creature. Ugh. All right.
Grizz (33:33)
I'll see you
And look at that boy.
That bro wants a smooch.
He's a majestic man.
Ice Bear (33:55)
Winter solstice by the way, hard capped at...
It's a B. It's a good beer. It's a good beer.
Grizz (34:07)
B plus. Alternate dimension, B plus.
Ice Bear (34:09)
Good
job, Four-Eyed Raven. You done did it with your watermelon. Watermelon mints a nice flavor. I'm trying to...
Grizz (34:17)
yeah, that's perfect
for refreshing and refreshing. Let's use two different types of refreshing put together.
Ice Bear (34:22)
I bet in the summer that would be even better.
Grizz (34:27)
yeah.
Ooh, that, yeah, well, 1000%. That would be great.
Ice Bear (34:37)
mix that with a
little little 1800.
Grizz (34:41)
I was thinking, okay, because I was thinking like, what's a what's a fucking a refreshing summer car bomb we can put in? You know what I mean? Like, it'd be nice, I think like a nice watermelon cocktail, some type of vodka and just drop that inside a bucket and
Ice Bear (34:50)
⁓
Yeah.
Hmm.
⁓ you do the... Do they have 360 vodka there? They have like little pop tops, kind like a growler has. Have you ever seen them?
Grizz (35:19)
Maybe I don't know. haven't seen in a liquor store.
Ice Bear (35:20)
Next time you're in a liquor store,
look through the Russian water section. Look at the Vodkas. See if they have 360. If they do, see if they have the lemon meringue pie. Because I bet that with a watermelon mint beer, some nice shave ice, I bet that would be a damn good slushie.
Grizz (35:50)
That sounds good. That sounds good.
Ice Bear (35:54)
I'm something of an artist. Something of an alcohol artist. All right. All right.
Grizz (35:59)
An alcohol artist?
Ice Bear (36:04)
We doing crack two skidoo?
you you edged me okay all right no no cracktuska do
Grizz (36:13)
I did hold on I got a
hold on I'm getting I'm getting interference from the tiger
Ice Bear (36:24)
No worries. ⁓ So last week we had ⁓ played that game with the sound where it's like rhyming words and you say it really fast on beat. I have since discovered that they have that game in other languages too. I didn't know there's a Spanish version and I really liked it.
Grizz (36:36)
Yeah.
⁓
Ice Bear (36:50)
It was like, wave away, it made me wonder, like, someone done like a Tagalog one or a Japanese one? Because that would be equally hilarious.
Grizz (36:53)
Ha ha ha!
What would the Japanese one do?
Ice Bear (37:12)
Let's see what's a rhyming word. They do, ⁓ yeah, what would it be?
I don't know. Damn. That's tricky business.
Grizz (37:30)
Cause single syllable, cause it's kind of hard, right? Cause like single syllable Japanese thing. You know what mean? Like.
Ice Bear (37:34)
Yeah.
⁓ no, god I'm glad I didn't crack that can yet. That was scary.
Grizz (37:40)
Uh-huh.
Ice Bear (37:50)
Hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, we do the hunt for knowledge.
Nope. This is this is misunderstood. ⁓ completely. I looked up rhyming Japanese words that gave me Hana and Natsu you have failed miserably.
these are not words that rhyme.
Okay. Okay.
Grizz (38:23)
What we got here, what we got here?
Ice Bear (38:25)
It's it they're just they're they're not. I don't know. The question is not translating well because it's not getting the assignment at all.
All right. Yeah, no, this is terrible. What is it doing?
Here's the things it gave. These are are rhyming words. Sakura, Haru, Koi, Mizu, Suki, Kaze. These are just random words. None of these rhyme. This is terrible.
I'm offended. I'm offended by their lack of knowledge. Okay, here we at least go. Kawanawa. Those rhyme. Good. All right, so we've got two.
That's amazing that that's all they got right out of this whole thing.
No, these don't rhyme. Like, for shame. For shame. We need to, we need to perhaps, I hate resorting to Google.
Yeah.
And the other thing they have to generally be like something you can do a picture for to make sense of.
Grizz (39:46)
fair. All right, let's just think of this. All right, let's think. ⁓
Ice Bear (39:55)
Hold on, why is this... Japanese rhymes. Bees, breeze, cheese, crease, deez. None of what... Deez, nuts, well...
Grizz (39:55)
Yeah, I can't think, man. I can't think of writing Japanese words.
D's what? D's what?
Damn, there was a band called Deez Nuts for a while.
Ice Bear (40:16)
As there should be. As there should be. ⁓
Wow.
I see what it's doing now. I get it. It's trying to rhyme the word Japanese.
So that makes sense. Japanese bees, Japanese breeze. Okay, I get it. I don't know how to phrase the question differently. My brain's not functioning right now. Words that rhyme in Japanese. Maybe that's how we do it.
Mm-hmm. Nope. I think we failed. I think this is a lost cause and it's time to move.
find the Spanish one. That's where it's at.
Grizz (41:21)
trying to think of Spanish ones. It's kind of, it's a forced one, but I think it'd be funny though.
Ice Bear (41:31)
Yeah. All right. Hold on. What? Give me, me. Hmm. It's really weird that I wonder if. You reset your brain and like watched something in Spanish for a while, if that would help.
Because I'm thinking about the question in English, and then I'm trying to translate things in my head.
Well, shit.
my, I just realized that is a nice all blacked out maps hat. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that majestic little number.
Grizz (42:30)
Swirl.
Ice Bear (42:34)
⁓ that this is the ASMR request from before. Just that like you have a smooth tingles on the hat.
Grizz (42:41)
BLEH
I need an ASMR.
Ice Bear (42:48)
The cat hairball noise. That's what everyone's here for. All right. All right. I'm going rogue on you. I'm going rogue. I'm cracking this beer.
Grizz (43:03)
I want to
do.
Ice Bear (43:09)
⁓ no.
Grizz (43:10)
day.
Ice Bear (43:13)
The squidly.
⁓ that was, that was worth it. That was worth the wait. That was a really good one. That was worth the wait.
Grizz (43:21)
Ayo.
clipped my nail on that one. That was pain right there. That was, that was just for the love of the game. That was a long pause for the love of the game.
Ice Bear (43:27)
You lost the lost the phalange.
Bye.
I'm very excited about the color on this one.
Grizz (43:39)
⁓
my lord. That, right? Damn.
Ice Bear (43:47)
I'm yeah I'm I'm I'm a happy camper I wasn't 100 % sure oh man and the the smell even from oh I have high hopes for this one that smells amazing
Grizz (43:51)
That looks like a fuckin' pineapple slushie.
Ice Bear (44:09)
Okay. Okay.
Okay. So this one here, much easier to pronounce. I'm not, I'm not worried about saying any of these words wrong. This is from Whitby, Ontario, AKA the home of the seal. This is from Town Brewery. This beer is called Neon Trees. Hey, hazy epa. This is a celebration, a celebration of good work.
Grizz (44:37)
Neon trees is nice.
That boy is hazy.
Ice Bear (44:45)
and good times a 6.4 % hazy EPA pine pineapple mushroom and sunshine yeah I don't think I've ever I don't think I've ever had that this will be this will be a hoot and a half
Grizz (44:54)
Wait, mushroom?
I have never heard
of mushroom being inside any type of beer ever.
Ice Bear (45:03)
⁓
I'm intrigued. I am intrigued.
Grizz (45:08)
Even get a fucking hit of psilocybin in here. Or just a nice or just a nice Marsala.
Ice Bear (45:12)
⁓
I would be.
I'd be kind of intrigued if they tried to do some sort of like hallucinogenic crossfade sensation. That would be interesting. All right. Here we go.
Grizz (45:25)
Hmm.
What were we thinking?
Mouth feel, what we talking?
Ice Bear (45:44)
a little effervescent, like more so than I was expecting. A little bit more carbon, like almost like a, what are those things called? What are the, no, like it's that, it's that one water that has like the twist top. It's the bougie water. ⁓ Perrier.
Grizz (45:46)
Okay. I could see that with how hazy it was though.
Pop rocks.
It
the sparking water, the Italian sparking water. I drink that sometimes.
Ice Bear (46:11)
Yeah, like the sparkling. Yeah. But
it has that kind of like that like club soda, that kind of like that effervescence. The thing I'm not getting maybe my palate is fucked. pineapple. I'm getting like lemon almost.
Grizz (46:29)
The pineapple? The pineapple? Yeah.
Interesting.
Ice Bear (46:39)
Hmm. All right. I like it.
Grizz (46:40)
Here's mine right here.
Ice Bear (46:46)
I like it a lot.
Grizz (46:47)
This one right here is from another, another normal ⁓ P &Dub offering. This is going to be from the Urban Family, the Urban Family Brewing Company. This one does have no, has no description, but the art is beautiful. This right here is going to be, it's a double dry hopped hazy epa with citric cryo and El Dorado hops.
This is from...
Seattle, Washington. This is a 6.3. This right here is Pow! Day Pandas. Pow! Pow! Day Pandas.
Ice Bear (47:35)
⁓ pow day. Like a celebration of pow.
Grizz (47:40)
But these are trash pandas in Seattle fashion.
Ice Bear (47:43)
I
really like them.
Grizz (47:46)
These fellas here are some beautiful power day raccoons.
Ice Bear (47:54)
I love this can. This is yet another one where I'm like, I wish these people would make fucking merch. I want that on a shirt. That would be such a cool shirt.
Grizz (47:57)
beautiful can of how to get it.
It would be nice to be like quacking gummy bear looking snow pandas, snow raccoons just coming down slopes.
Ice Bear (48:09)
the
Just, yeah.
missed opportunity by these people I'm trying to find someone that has a better palette than me describe this ⁓ here we go I found it on the ⁓ and of course they don't describe it even though they're the ones that make it come on people
Grizz (48:40)
way to be a wiener.
Ice Bear (48:42)
way to be a wiener way to be a wiener okay other other people have described this as peachy which that i can kind of see peachy and plum
Grizz (48:48)
We know.
YouTube.
How did you get that from pineapple? ⁓
Ice Bear (49:06)
I don't know. The top five things on untapped are hazy. Definitely. Citrus. was again, I was getting more of a lemon than a pineapple. Peachy. And then plums. I'm not, I'm not. I don't know if I'm getting that. Yeah. Yeah, changes on the back end.
Grizz (49:15)
lemon so yeah
Maybe when you get to the halfway mark, you know what mean? Like, you know, sometimes like when. Yeah.
Ice Bear (49:32)
The mushroom thing is not registering at all. But then again, some mushrooms are not particularly potent flavored, I suppose. It's an interesting mouthfeel. I do like that. It's very, like even several sips in it, still very like pop rock adjacent.
Grizz (49:42)
That is still a weird thing. I have a mushroom.
Mm-hmm.
Ice Bear (49:58)
And the smell is fantastic.
boy.
How's that one over there?
Grizz (50:10)
This is a solid fucking beer like Citra hops are my favorite probably my favorite out of all of them Second would be like mosaic probably Mosaic and I don't what the galaxy one is probably third ⁓ But yeah, this was very citrus Ford so like it's It's just a solid fucking beer like it's is it the best
Ice Bear (50:13)
Bye!
Grizz (50:39)
hazy citrus thing. No, but it's definitely not the worst. I am very happy drinking this.
Ice Bear (50:48)
There was some clip on TikTok of an episode of Family Guy and it was Peter and Lois were in an argument and they were just like coming up with slightly more obnoxious things one could do to the other one. And so she was like, I'm going to cut my hair short. he was like, I'm going to start a podcast with minimal focus that takes up an inordinate amount of time. I was like, I feel attacked.
Grizz (51:15)
That is beautiful. I, you know what?
Ice Bear (51:15)
Ha ha ha!
And then I rationalized it afterwards. was like, we have a focus. We drink two beers every time. We're kind of focused. It's just the surrounding 60 minutes that are utter bullshit.
Grizz (51:32)
You know, fair, but we hit some things here and there that's pretty nice.
Ice Bear (51:38)
That's the problem with jazz. have to be along for the ride. You can't come into it expecting anything. You just need to enjoy the journey.
Grizz (51:43)
Exactly.
You know who is the focus of this podcast? It's people that have...
Ice Bear (51:54)
the city of New York.
Grizz (51:56)
We'll see about that. is it is
Ice Bear (52:03)
Hold on. Don't lose your train of thought. I'm sorry. Do know what I'm talking about? Have you seen this? Any of these bits about like actors or like people in acting classes that are like, you know, the city of New York's kind of like a character in the show.
Grizz (52:21)
I'm really glad I haven't. ⁓
Ice Bear (52:23)
Okay,
yeah, dude, this is a regular thing, like with artsy people, because like they're like the city so alive and like the streets are breathing. So like, it will come up a lot where the city of New York is a character. So every now and again, I just think of that like the city of New York, man. Anyway, I'm sorry, please continue.
Grizz (52:45)
I guess that's valid-ish.
But...
We are for the middle-aged man that liked and anybody outside of, but.
that likes to have a nice, a nice alcoholic beverage from here and there. They'll watch Calvary Bebop and never skip the intro.
Ice Bear (53:18)
that shit. Yep. That is the audience. No, no, you're not skipping the intro. That's a pretty good chip. We nailed ⁓ it. Tank is
Grizz (53:21)
⁓ there's audience. Did you skit?
fucking great. That was beautiful.
Ice Bear (53:46)
man, there's a lot of good openings, but tank is the one that you could definitely put on and 100 % of the time, I'm going to be happy.
Grizz (53:56)
That intro, I...
I like five years ago now and I wasn't able to make it because I'm gonna be out of town when they were playing in Dallas But they were doing ⁓ the live thing Yeah, That was so fucking good like the band doing fucking the cowboy b-bop songs and shit like I'm like I Was so upset that I couldn't go
Ice Bear (54:07)
Mm-hmm.
You should, yeah, you sent me the thing that night and I was like, ⁓ fuck, that would be a show I would want to see.
Yeah.
When I was ⁓ in Annapolis, every now and again, there would be like, kind of like impromptu jazz performances at like a few random bars. And there was one, there was one group that yeah, they did, they did some anime openings. And it was just like, man, that live is so good. It hits real hard. And these were just like people fucking around. These weren't like world-class musicians, but it was, it was still like amazing.
Grizz (54:49)
Yeah.
Imagine you're just fucking, you're just drinking a beer. Neon moon just finishes. Right? And then you hit, which is also a good song, but also ⁓ a little clad of rough and tumble people just kind of just get on stage and then they just hit you with a
What the fuck? I forget the first syllable. The E of a touch of a.
Ice Bear (55:24)
What? Yes, play it, it, play it, play it for me. Also, while you're hunting this down, this is going to be a deep cut. So follow us, work with us on this, Do you remember? I believe it's episode five. It's the one where Spike and Vicious are in the church and he gets like blasted out of the circular stained glass window and he's falling. And it's like, huh?
Grizz (55:26)
my lord, I'm gonna hit you with the homeless. What are these lyrics? What are these lyrics? What are these lyrics?
Ice Bear (55:55)
like that thing. So one of my buddies, I introduced him to that in college. And so he was like kind of late to the anime party, but he was very, very open to it. And he was like into it. And he's like, oh, this is amazing. He had something where he could never do actual lyrics. He just had whatever nonsense he made up. And then he would sing it like full chest, 10 toes down. And for that part of it,
Grizz (55:57)
yeah.
Ice Bear (56:24)
he made the lyric I don't know why it was massive ahi so we would be in like a finance class that was very stiff and straightforward he's like massive ahi massive ahi I think of that at least once a week what I'm thinking about ye old cowboy b-pop shit I'm gonna switch hats
Grizz (56:47)
See, also I was thinking of a.
my ⁓ lord,
Ice Bear (56:57)
timely and practical.
Grizz (56:59)
Beautiful. Come on. You know the book is show. It could hold on to. Naku she took a. So could she or. So go see. So to. It's a war. yeah. So ⁓ Mo. Mo. Mo. That she's so good. Go and. Go. Mo.
Ice Bear (57:04)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
We should play it. Can we play it? No, we're going to copyright it, we?
Are we going to get copyrighted?
Grizz (57:29)
Not cool. Well, are guys ready? We're here for this.
Ice Bear (57:32)
you
Grizz (57:35)
Let's do this. This is one of the greatest actually, I'm going to go and not play. Actually, I'm going to play the actual after thing. So close your eyes and then tell me the enemy because it's going to show it on the screen and you can't know it. All right. You ready? Close your eyes.
Ice Bear (57:50)
All right. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. Yes, yes.
Eyes closed. Here, I'll even look away. I'll even I'll even look away.
Grizz (58:00)
Alright, ready for this? This one of the greatest OPs of anything ever. Ready? Whether you like this anime or not, it's a fucking banger. Ready? Three, two, one.
Ice Bear (58:05)
Yes.
Hold on, I've definitely heard this. I've definitely heard this and I don't know it.
⁓ shit. Yeah.
Yep. Dude, here's the thing with Inuyasha. I've never seen it all the way through.
I know I've never seen it all the way through. I'm very ashamed of myself. I'm aware of it like I'm very aware of it. I have plenty of friends that like love it to pieces. But I've never seen all the way through.
Grizz (58:39)
What's up?
So,
so any ashes great. The only thing is that so the writer, she has a very bad problem. And her problem is her endings are also are always fucking weak. So the indian shannings kind of ronald one half kind of week. Like she's just always like she hits fucking hard and it's fucking amazing. And then the ending is always just like lackluster. It's like God's like, did you ever remember the gods ending?
Ice Bear (59:05)
Mmm.
Manga or the show? Both. Yes.
Grizz (59:24)
the manga. Mainly the
muggers Yeah, it was like a fucking amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing fucking insane, insane, insane, amazing, amazing and then like it ends in a chapter you're like what the fuck? Like it was just the most random fucking like
Ice Bear (59:41)
You know what kills me about Gaunts? It's one of those where it had a great ending. They just needed to cut it sooner. There's plenty of things I can think of, not just anime, but like...
fiction in general, where a writer has a good endpoint, and then it's either so sad or so depressing or some emotion that they were probably trying to avoid and work out that they're scared to end it there, and then they put more shit out there.
Grizz (1:00:14)
Ooh, so where's the perfect thing for gods to you?
Ice Bear (1:00:19)
To me, here's where it is. Spoilers, guys. This is what, 17 years old at this point. It's been out for a while.
Grizz (1:00:25)
Is it the panda
chapter? It better not be the panda chapter. Okay.
Ice Bear (1:00:29)
No, I
think the perfect ending is after the point where he comes back and they're talking about like how much weight is the human soul and it's like 0.6 grams or whatever and he's looking at that picture of her and he's just crying. That panel, that's your end. That's your end for the story. That's a good end.
Grizz (1:00:54)
That would be all right. All right. So there's stuff in there that happened after that. I still like, and that's great. But, but, but if you cut it there, it would probably be infamous as far as like one of the most like, you need to fucking watch this thing. Fucking like.
Ice Bear (1:01:00)
Same, same. Like I'm not saying like the rest of it's garbage. I'm just saying if you cut it there.
Because
the thing is, if you end it there, the purpose of this is just like, you now have a story that is complicated. You have plenty of characters that are, there's a few static characters, but the vast majority of them change wildly as it goes on.
Grizz (1:01:32)
Because that's one of the best thing about Gantz was like, was it was a cake good or no, right? Like, okay, like he's, he was extremely unlikable. He was like the worst in any people. Yeah. And then he ultimately through like, through trial and tribulation through fucking massacre, he ends up like falling into this role. Beautiful. He ended up falling into this role of like an actual protagonist.
Ice Bear (1:01:37)
Yeah. Yeah.
It's a piece of shit.
Grizz (1:01:59)
but where he like, finds meaning, right? Like that's basically it, right? He finds meaning. has a second, basically like a rebirth arc where he comes back when he doesn't deserve to. And he knows he doesn't deserve to because the one that's better than him dies. And so he's like, I need to avenge him. need to bring him back because they brought me back. And like, I am not worthy, he's worthy. And so he has meaning now, right? And so like,
Ice Bear (1:02:02)
Mm-hmm.
Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yes.
Grizz (1:02:28)
So he finds meaning in the reasons why he was like filled with this rosette. And stuff is gone because like he finds things like with Rekha and stuff like that. Right. So like, yeah.
K is a great fucking protagonist because of that because he is so like multi dimensional.
Ice Bear (1:02:45)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:02:47)
And that's what makes Gantz amazing.
So having him end in that point where it's like basically the value or like the not even the cause it's not even, it's not even the sense of like value towards the human soul. It's just like the human soul stripped of everything is fucking just this insignificant amount of weight. doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Ice Bear (1:03:13)
Well, it's it's it's that and also the because like it to me when I read that I was thinking like the tears are like it's you don't know why but there was something about that connection that after all of it being gone, it's still lingered. Like there's something that like so it's it's just one of those things where in the craziness that is life, you will occasionally form a bond so insane.
that it's just going to go beyond everything that we know and understand and it will linger. And I find that very beautiful and, and
Grizz (1:03:48)
And that.
So
that that's funny because I basically arrived to the same point as you, but oppositely, right? To where it was like in the sense of the whatever the worth of the human soul, the value of the human soul, the whatever the ending of the human soul is just that finite amount of weight, which is insignificant because like, the fuck is a point thing of him, right? But despite all of that, despite the insignificance of that thing,
We still went through these journeys and these trials and tribulations because like this meant so much, you know what I mean? So like basically it's the same exact thing you landed up, but it was like, despite the insignificance of this, this don't matter so much. You know what I mean? And so like, basically we kind of ended at the same, the same place, but like the yours was even if nothing meant anything, this there's still a fucking echo.
Ice Bear (1:04:25)
you
inch inch
Different vantage point. Yeah, interesting.
Yeah
Yeah.
Grizz (1:04:49)
And for
me, it's like, despite the insignificance of despite this doesn't matter if we're still able to create this. And so this matters, you know, so that's actually really interesting. That's actually really fucking cool.
Ice Bear (1:04:56)
Yeah
That is super cool.
I love this is this is the best part of when we do these weird little seven minute glimmers of like deep philosophical bullshit. Yeah.
Grizz (1:05:10)
Yeah
And then we go, beer good.
Ice Bear (1:05:22)
Yep, it's 100 % that it's a hundred percent that
Grizz (1:05:24)
Yeah.
fuck, but yeah, but I fucking loved Gantt. I was fucking just championing at the bit for fucking like every single chapter that was coming out.
Ice Bear (1:05:36)
Mm-hmm. Did you ever fuck with a in a you're shaky?
Grizz (1:05:38)
Gons took me everywhere.
Yeah, but so here's the thing. It was great and I loved it. But the thing is when I read it, I was like,
Ice Bear (1:05:43)
With the old guy?
Grizz (1:05:55)
I thought it was great. I started it when it finished because I read the first couple of times that were coming out and then I stopped. I was like, mean, I can't do this shit again. I wait to have finished years later. I fucking read all of it. And I think I fucked myself up that way. Cause the thing with like, why Gantt was so amazing outside of all this stuff is that I remember fucking waiting.
Ice Bear (1:06:11)
Mm-hmm.
There is something about that anticipation.
Grizz (1:06:18)
a week for every 30 pages. Like it took me years to finish
it. You know what I mean? And so like every, every week for years, I was fucking waiting for the next chapter of Gantz. And this one I finished it. I finished it in a shaking like three days, two days. You know what I mean? And it was like, as great as it was, didn't like leave and it didn't like leave an impact on me like Gantz did, even though it was also very great.
Ice Bear (1:06:46)
It's really interesting that you mentioned that because I've never thought about the value of consuming media as it's coming out. Because when you think about it, part of the enjoyment, if you're doing it that way, like if you're reading or watching something as it's being released, you have that that week or that month or like whatever the interim is between chapters or between episodes or what have you where you're
kind of like what's going to happen. You're thinking about like, how would I write this? How would I present this? And then you get that next hit of whatever it is. You're like, shit, I didn't see that coming. Or I did see that coming. And then there's that reconciliation. And that whole part of it is cool. That is part of the experience. Because yeah, I remember that is one thing that now for people that when we talk about Cowboy Bebop, a lot of them are probably
Grizz (1:07:24)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:07:41)
they're just going to watch it straight. Whereas there was a couple of episodes where we had to wait like three or four weeks because Cartoon Network was not putting that out for America very, very quick. And I remember the episode where like Ein and Ed leave. I was like, no way. They're going to come back, right? That's not the end. And then you get to the finale and you see what happens.
Grizz (1:07:43)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:08:09)
Yeah, that's really interesting. That is part of it.
Grizz (1:08:12)
Yeah, because it
was such a big thing because even like I think about like, because we kind of kind of touched upon it, when we talked about like, how like these fucking old rock edits with like Dragon Ball Z and stuff, and they hit and like, it's never something I like, I rewatch part of it like later in life. I'm like, oh, this is kind of not as amazing as I remember.
Kind of thing. But then I see some edits of like click key moments. I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Like it just fucking pumps me up. Right. Like, um, but I remember being in like fucking third, fourth, fifth grade. Great. And like Dragon Ball Z is coming out right on Cartoon Network and shit. And then we'd be, I remember watching the episode and then going to fucking school the next day and just talking about it my friends and fucking just like be fucking pumped about what would happen and what we think is going to happen. And it's just, you know what I mean?
Ice Bear (1:09:00)
Yep.
that is the other part that absolutely there is kind of a shared camaraderie of the anticipation. Fuck, none of us know like what's gonna happen.
Grizz (1:09:12)
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the same thing of like, you know, when we watch stuff that comes out, that's the guy's like, it's a funny one to bring out because it ended so badly. I'm sorry. But like, Amber, when you went our fault. There we go. I'd have to say it. I knew I could beat you to say it. But like, just just like you just like you and our fallen brother like because it's just just the camaraderie of both being so excited for it. And
Ice Bear (1:09:27)
If you fucking say I'm a gollobox, you son of a bitch. You son of a very nice lady.
Ugh.
Grizz (1:09:42)
in the anticipation because because we were doing one episode a week too so when the episode came out you were still pumped about it you know what I mean but that made it so much better right but that also makes the fucking fall from grace that much worse when something doesn't hold up
Ice Bear (1:09:45)
Yeah.
Yeah. And, and
speaking of Magalo, that's another one. And that one episode shy just don't put the finale in. That's a 10 anime. But because of the ending, it's forever like an eight. It was just such a dog shit ending. Oh, my God, dude, we were so hyped on that. I remember that was that was one of the few there weren't a lot of things where like we'd leave the main group chat to talk just independently.
Grizz (1:10:15)
Yeah, I
Ice Bear (1:10:23)
That was one of the few things me and him were like, nah, already just doesn't understand. We're gonna watch the finale. We're gonna be like, this is the best thing that ever existed. He's gonna have to hop on board and we're gonna shit on him because he's gonna be late to the party. And then we got there that week after the finale came out. We're both like, you might have been right.
you
Grizz (1:10:47)
I'm just saying I've come across so many 12 episode animes, so many half season fucking anime that like come from a good franchise that just end up dog shit because you're trying to force a fucking conclusion for the half season that just ruins shit. Again, Tokyo Ghoul is one of them. It's just one of those things where anytime I see the episode count of what they're anticipating or how long and I'm like...
Ice Bear (1:10:58)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dude.
Yeah. Dude, you know another one that just went a little too long, that had the potential to be a masterpiece? Erased.
Grizz (1:11:17)
I'll wait. I'll wait. I'm not,
⁓ so here's that's good. Because, because it's fair because I don't think that race overstated as well because it's a 26 episode right like, or so okay. ⁓ Okay.
Ice Bear (1:11:40)
12, 12, 13 tops, but it's
a shorter one.
Grizz (1:11:47)
the issue with the race.
Cause it's a great fucking premise. It's a great, everything's great. It's just, it is the conclusion. Like when it comes up, it's like, is this guy that's always been there? And it's like, and when it comes, it's, it doesn't hit, it definitely does not hit as hard.
Ice Bear (1:12:07)
Mm.
Grizz (1:12:08)
Everything leading up to the conclusion is fucking it's great. I Would say despite its conclusion. It's a solid I think it's anime it stands as it stands as a time, but it's it's a good anime It's not an amazing anime and that's definitely for sure and it's Yeah
Ice Bear (1:12:16)
I still think it's good.
It just drives me
nuts when you have a proper, not a proper, when you have a better conclusion already written and you just were scared of the result or the perception or the, I don't know what they're scared of. I think too many authors are scared of sad endings. I think it's that.
Grizz (1:12:40)
Yeah.
And that's funny because that's true, also like there's you have the multiple things, right? Cause it, cause there are the things of where it's just like sad porn where like they're, they like just trying to make it for the sake of it being that way. And it's like, bro, you just kind of ruined this. You know what I mean? Like it's kind of like, because when you're trying hard, like it's basically like try hardship, right? Like it's
Ice Bear (1:13:01)
Mmm.
Okay, so I
Grizz (1:13:12)
It's when you're just trying to be thing for the sake of it. just, when it, when it. Tick tips into the territory. Oh, you're just being an edge Lord. It definitely like cheapens it. You know what I mean?
Ice Bear (1:13:23)
a hundred percent. I agree with you fully. And so I guess maybe...
Maybe the proper distinction is, I think all good fiction, for the most part. No, No, not for the most part. Let's, I'll fully commit. All good fiction is comedy or tragedy. And you have to know, like as an author or creator, you have to know what have you set out to create. And I think that's where things fall apart because they, they, so like for erased in my mind, that's a tragedy.
And you get to the point where you like you, you have a solid ending. It's tragic. But it's so sad that you're like, no, I want to lean into the other direction. And same thing. And so to your point, where people are trying too hard is where what they've really written is a comedy. And that's fine. You can have sad moments in a comedy. But then you, you know, you try and veer off into the sad direction. And it doesn't fit because what you've really written is something that should be a comedy.
Grizz (1:14:26)
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I do think that that's a large portion. I will also use what you just said and completely agree with you and then launch again my my my like 15th 20th vie towards you is you know what also knows it's a tragedy and does it well? Steinscape.
Now while you let that settle, I'm gonna get another pow day.
Ice Bear (1:14:54)
Okay.
Okay, please do. So while old Grizz is gone, for those that don't know, over the years, I have committed to our beloved Grizz that I will watch Steins Gate. He loves it. It's one of his favorites, if not his favorite anime of all time. And every time he mentions it, I promise to watch the thing. And I start it. I have gotten four to five episodes deep, more times than I can count.
It is clearly not a bad anime and I don't know why I can't fucking finish it. So now that you're back.
Grizz (1:15:31)
Here's the thing with sense gate.
Yeah when people tell me science gate Well, so when so the person thing I'm besides he she was a close friend at the time ⁓ Who we she's just likes that enemy and so she fucking put me on so much game with that anime Like she got me on five centimeters per second fucking Hit some in a ruby like she hit me like with all the heavy hitters even clan at season one or two like
Ice Bear (1:15:49)
Mm-hmm.
⁓ peak.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Clam-Yut
Season 1's good. It's really good.
Grizz (1:16:00)
All yeah, but
yeah, have you seen some too?
Ice Bear (1:16:06)
I don't think so.
Grizz (1:16:07)
So, okay. Season one's amazing. It's funny. It's great. It's everything. Season two makes it one of the greatest fucking series ever. Because of how fucking do I am telling you when I watched season two and, and, and granted it is because, know, like cub and stuff like that. Cause I think I hit parents hard, but I think anybody that just had can, can when you have like this maternal, paternal fucking.
Ice Bear (1:16:15)
Okay, all right.
I'll have to revisit.
Grizz (1:16:36)
role in anything or even just like you are even just like it's a kid thing like because of that it hits so much fucking harder. I'm talking about it's been a few times where I've been fucking like literal like weeping because of a story or something and it was fucking planted the second season was that like I remember when I was talking to said friend about it was like I am so glad I watched this alone.
Ice Bear (1:17:00)
damn.
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:17:07)
Because I'm talking about towards the last couple of hours, I'm fucking full on balling. And I, I, I'm not, can't even like frame it another way. was talking about, like, you know, to be like, watching it. I'm just like, I'm totally. Yeah. And it was like, there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of mediums of fucking art in any shape that's got me to that point, but that one did.
Ice Bear (1:17:10)
No.
Yeah, just an ugly cry.
Yeah.
Grizz (1:17:35)
And there's
multiple moments in there in that second season where I got me like, you know what I mean? Like, because it's, it's one of the things like single romance anime is that you get the whole seasons, them getting together and that's it. Right. And then it stops at like high school college. Planet is all the college of whatever thing. And then fucking adult life.
Like they're adults and they go in the second season. It's just all that next thing. And it's like anything that you, every grievance you ever had of like, wish there was more in it is Clannad. Clannad season two is that. Cause basically cause Clannad season one, it's just four episode fricking arc stuff for each girl. Right? Right. Cause right. And then this one season two, it picks the path and then it just goes on.
Ice Bear (1:18:12)
Mm.
Nice.
Okay.
Hmm.
Grizz (1:18:31)
I am telling you that it is one of the absolute most thing when you talk about just engendering emotions is that one. I will be forever grateful that I watched that alone because of how hard that shit got me. We've been just in subtle almost because of how like powerful it was.
Ice Bear (1:18:44)
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Hitchhitcha.
Grizz (1:19:00)
It's it's I'm telling you it's it's fucking like it's fucking rough. And it's again, it's rough in the way that's not performative. It's it's rough in the way that it feels authentic. It feels to the characters. It feels like it's it's fucking it deserves every single accolade he has with that. It is fucking phenomenal.
Ice Bear (1:19:13)
Yep.
Mmm.
Give me, other than Clannad, because that would be good answer to this question, but other than that, give me and the people a ⁓ sleeper anime that is just horrifically sad in a good way.
Grizz (1:19:44)
That's good. One I will give it to see
Ice Bear (1:19:49)
So no, no, you're
a April. None of that. None of the obvious answers.
Grizz (1:19:53)
Yeah,
I've never been a big fan of that one to be honest It was Yeah, it was alright, but it was just so predictable again That's one that feels when people say they love it. I'm like, okay sure but like Yeah, it's one that feels like they wrote it with so one that kind of has that word feels performative But it's just better than your line April, but still like it has that kind of like same curse
Ice Bear (1:19:55)
No, I wasn't either. I knew she was going to die immediately.
feels performative. Yep.
Grizz (1:20:21)
Was, uh, what was it like? Let me eat your pancreas or whatever.
Ice Bear (1:20:26)
I've heard about that one, I've never seen it.
Grizz (1:20:29)
It's, it's one that feels slightly performative, but it is also, it is good. I did enjoy it. I did like it and everything. think I like that one more than your line April. I think it's good. I think you will enjoy it as well. one that I will always say is one of my absolute favorites. and I, it's sad that it doesn't have as much, ⁓ it doesn't get, it doesn't get, it doesn't get as flowers as much as it should.
Uh, I, when somebody up it's very much like the early 2000s, handmade art styles, like super big eyes, all that kind of stuff. Some people like see the art style and they're like, I don't know. Understood. But it's one that's fucking amazing. There's two seasons. Both seasons have two stories going at the same time. Right. So they're, and they're connected and they're connected, but also not at the same time. So you have two overarching stories in season one, two overarching stories in season two.
Right? Both stories in each season are kind of like slightly connected, but they're also, they're also standalone, not stories together, right? But they are in the same world and the same friend group in the same things. They don't interact too much, but they are in the same world. there is interaction between them. Right? Um, this here is one of the only series in any medium that has genuinely given me anxiety.
Like an actual, almost like when people describe an anxiety attack, it feels like how I felt when I was watching this. Like as I'm talking about, I'm watching this thing and because of just like, I'm just fucking locked in in this thing and I'm watching it as like dark rooms watching it. And like, my breath starts getting shallow or like, started feeling the anticipation going up and like, it's
Ice Bear (1:22:05)
shit, okay.
Grizz (1:22:20)
getting harder to breathe. You know what I mean? Like she starts fucking like start tunnel vision and stuff. Like I feel like I'm having like an anxiety attack because of like what's happening on here and because of what's being shown and the way that they're describing it. And it, it's like, it kind of has like kind of it's so like mono guitar, like I love it, right? I guess one of my favorite anime all the time, but it's a hard sell because of like you, it's one of those, have to be dialed in and watch because not only of like,
Ice Bear (1:22:22)
Damn.
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:22:47)
not only what's happening in the dialogue is also like what's flashing on the screen, whether it's a small word or whatever, all matters for the story. Right. So it's a hard sell. This one is similar to that because like what's happening on the screen matters, but like it's not overdone like mono-guitari. Right. So you can kind of like fall into whatever thing, but it just all adds together. I think it's one where it's just all blends together. So like what you're watching and then like
Ice Bear (1:22:53)
⁓ Mmm... Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Grizz (1:23:15)
because of the dialogue and because of the music and because of everything. Like it just brings you fucking to like lock in. And so there was parts in there, like, again, like I felt like I was having like a panic attack because like shortness of breath, because of the anxiety of like the characters feeling and how well the voice acting, everything's bringing it in. Like, you know what I mean? Like it was like the tension in there was so fucking thick that it was, was palpable. Like I could not. It's one of the few that ever did that.
⁓ again, and both of them are like rough in like the sad sense and like this fucking because it's a tragedy. They're tragedies. It's tragedies with a lot of feel good moments too. So like, you know what I mean? Like it's not like fucking, it's not like torture porn. You know what I mean? Like it's there's, it's basically good people that have gone through rough shit to fucking get through life. And like some people persevere and some people don't, but like it's, it's just that right. It's called F.
Ice Bear (1:24:00)
⁓ Okay.
Mm.
Mmm.
Grizz (1:24:14)
Lowercase E uppercase F. I've had mentioned it before. Again, it's two seasons. It's again, lowercase E uppercase F. Season one is called F, a tale of memories. Season two is a tale of melodies.
Ice Bear (1:24:15)
Okay. Yep. Yes. Yep.
Hold on, sorry. I feel like I might have seen this before. Is this... Is the female lead, does she start just naked on a beach somewhere? Is she like a redhead?
Grizz (1:24:44)
Not a redhead.
Ice Bear (1:24:45)
I'm thinking of Elfen Lied. Disregard. Yeah, sorry. Yep. Continue, please. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. F. OK. All right. I'm sold. I want to watch it.
Grizz (1:24:47)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've lied to the one that the infamous dog scene. Yeah, we're definitely
I'm telling you,
I'm telling you that one.
Both seasons are fucking amazing. Again, that's the.
Ice Bear (1:25:06)
Okay, I'm fully on board. And you're saying this is like
late 90s era, early 2000s? Okay, nice. Yeah, I'll look into it.
Grizz (1:25:12)
Early 2000s Yeah, telling you
it's one where I genuinely felt like I was having a panic attack while watching it was because I was locked in.
Ice Bear (1:25:21)
That sounds like a good time. ⁓
I want to do it. I'm gonna do it to myself
Grizz (1:25:25)
the, the, and the fact that like, and piece of media can bring you to those feelings, especially when that's somebody that's seen a lot of bad shit, or you know what mean? Like the way you can take you to that is like insane. That's, it's one that I always, always, always, always suggest, but it's, it's a hard, it is a hard sell, but it's, it's very, very good.
Ice Bear (1:25:31)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yes.
my, mine was going to be plastic memories because I feel like a lot of people have seen it, like not seen it as in watched it. I feel like a lot of people have seen the cover and it looks like it's going to be kind of a mid.
Grizz (1:26:08)
As like memories, Santa, what's the one we talked about here once or once along with the little boys in the what the fuck?
Ice Bear (1:26:18)
⁓ what is that glass lip? Dude that that scene kills me every time just a little because both of us do that every time we talk about both of us ⁓ a little money Pacquiao speed bagging a light for no reason.
Grizz (1:26:22)
shit, there are new ads.
Cause again, all come on. You know what I mean? Like that's a very, very boy. They like little boy, fucking treat treating like the little dangly switch from a fucking ceiling panel. think as a punching bag thing, I
Ice Bear (1:26:49)
That really is.
Yeah,
that is such a weird, unique, nostalgia thing. Like that immediately, like you see that and you're just like, fuck, I'm like nine again for a second.
Grizz (1:27:07)
Yeah.
Yeah. I, like when I saw that, I was like, I, I fucking remembered just me as a fucking dumb as a little kid. Like it felt, it felt like being in the shower and like pulling water or my fucking, you know, it felt like something like that. You don't mean it's like something that everybody does as a fucking kid. And then just like, you don't know why you do it. You just do it. Cause it's like, yeah, like it just feels right. And it feels cool. Like it's, know,
Ice Bear (1:27:13)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yup.
You just do it. Yeah.
Yep.
Grizz (1:27:36)
That's what that felt like so when I saw that in the anime I was like, fuck I just Shot me back to that because you know, I'm like my 20s when I watched that so like when I saw them like it's extall just a stall debate, know what mean?
Ice Bear (1:27:43)
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
It really is. It really is.
Grizz (1:27:57)
I remember that anime being very forgettable and underwhelming. It's just like whatever. But I just remember that scene. Yeah, it was just like, I see that and like, I know for sure I finished it, but it was like, whatever.
Ice Bear (1:28:04)
Yep. But that part. Yep. Same. I for sure dropped it. I didn't finish it. I definitely because
You know what, that was one of the ones that there were too many scenes where anytime they did someone from like a three quarter angle, the eyes were just so wonky. Like they animated like this side gigantic and the other one is like it took me out of it.
Grizz (1:28:25)
That's fair.
That's fair. So I always had a, especially because of a friend, because we would watch so much anime together. so I, we developed and it was kind of like she had it first and I kind of adopted it because it was a good thing. had a four episode role.
Ice Bear (1:28:47)
Mmm.
Grizz (1:28:48)
That within the four episodes, if it did not grab me, I would not, I would drop it and go to the next one. But she was like far onto like anime game way more than I was. ⁓ so like I kind of adopted it too. I was admittedly way more lenient than she was because I watched glass slip and I was like, that's cool. You know what mean? Like I didn't, if I didn't hate it in this four episodes, I would keep watching it. Cause again, what the fuck is 12 episodes? Like, you know what I mean? Like it's not that fucking long.
Ice Bear (1:28:53)
Yep, that's fair.
Yeah.
Four
hours, yeah.
Grizz (1:29:18)
Yeah. And it's like, you know, like I can say I watched it and I can say if I like or not, and like, whatever. Like, so it didn't matter as much. If it was a war, it was like a 26 episode, two, three seasons, four episodes. Then again, if I'm not in love with it and it's that long, I'm dropping it. Yeah, I'm dropping it. But if it's a 12 episode one and like, I see the first four episodes and I don't hate it, I'll probably, I'm more than likely finish it.
Ice Bear (1:29:23)
Yep. Yep.
Yeah, if it's a commitment. Yeah, for sure.
I need to really quickly before I forget, because the people come to us for solid advice. This is the best season of anime that there's been in a long time. Winter 2026 is a fucking banger so far.
Grizz (1:30:01)
to be, yeah, I I...
I need to like go cause I've heard of seen a couple of them kind of like interested in, but I haven't like actually gone through the entire like lineup.
Ice Bear (1:30:14)
Okay, so first and foremost, and people are going to be aware of this one, so I'm not going to give it any like hype. People that watch it will watch it because they know already. JJK is back. Started strong. It's real good. ⁓ Very excellent. But the ones I want to mention are the ones that I feel like a lot of people might miss. And there have been some very enjoyable ones that the seal and I have already started. ⁓ One here, I'm loading it up right now.
Grizz (1:30:26)
season three,
Ice Bear (1:30:45)
is Ur-wa-shuh-no-yo-i-no-tsuki, which for the English audience is going to be in the clear moonlit dusk. so basically this is one, the art is great. Love the art a lot. what is it reminiscent of? It's it's.
Grizz (1:30:58)
What's your style?
Ice Bear (1:31:10)
man, I can't think of anything it's quite like, because it's got kind of a smooth, almost like CGI is the wrong word. Like there's a smoothness to the motion of it, like where all the scenes are fluid. Like there's no like stop panels anywhere. Like it's fully animated. It's more like a movie in that sense. ⁓ But the premise of it is basically the girl, the lead girl is kind of like a
a Shoujo prince type character, like a tomboy. And then there's like the male characters like an out Alphaser. Like it's it's funny and cute because she's used to like guys not being interested because she's like the tomboy type. And then but he just like loves it because he's like, girls can girls can like beat up the crook at the convenience store type shit. And it's very it's very charming. But but that's that's one worth watching.
Grizz (1:31:41)
Mm.
Ice Bear (1:32:08)
⁓ There is this this one, honestly, I'm not sure on this one, I might drop this. There's the invisible man and his soon to be wife. It. It's no, it's so everyone's an adult in it, which is interesting. So that's kind of fun. ⁓ But it.
Grizz (1:32:20)
Sounds like a fucking music guy.
I do like
the anime they come in where it's like adult thing where like you know I mean like not the high school thing like high school thing shit school and everything.
Ice Bear (1:32:34)
Yes. Yeah, no, this
is fully adult cast, which that's why I wanted to watch it. But it reminds me of ⁓ Dorara almost because the lead guy is like literally invisible. So he's just kind of like a selkie kind of like you can't you have to listen to him to get emotion. So it's interesting in that regard. ⁓
Grizz (1:32:47)
Ooh.
when you were talking about when you when you I was trying to think of the anime name when I was thinking about like like fluid motions and stuff. Did you ever watch Mooshishi?
Ice Bear (1:33:03)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:33:08)
Moo-shee-shee.
Ice Bear (1:33:09)
Is that the one where he does like the calligraphy? Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yes. Yep.
Grizz (1:33:12)
Yeah, it's like the Yokai if I can kind of like, is it kind of like that kind of thing in the sense of like, yeah, we're very like ethereal, like looking okay.
Ice Bear (1:33:22)
Yep. And then there is ⁓ you and I are polar opposites, which is it's very good. So the girl is kind of like a very popular, bubbly, super fun personality. And the guy is just like Sakamoto, nerdy dude.
Grizz (1:33:31)
Don't say something I would like.
Okay, okay,
I thought it was even more like like that like a hooligan. Because I was thinking of what was that one? The hooligan one was I got like I was like a dog is like a like, you know, and whatever. You know, I'm talking about like fucking
Ice Bear (1:33:51)
No, but the re
⁓ yeah.
wait, what is that one? Yes, I do. It's.
Grizz (1:34:06)
where like the popular
like preppy girl and it's like the fucking like delinquent fucking dog one boy. God damn it. I know there's like an obvious already an aquarium date episode there was like a lot of like these little
Ice Bear (1:34:10)
Yes, that was a really good one. What was that called?
Y-yes.
That wasn't El Hary Ride, was it? No.
Grizz (1:34:22)
No, no, no, no, no. Cause it was one where she would go into her animes. She'd be like, like a little fucking puppy. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. Oh fuck. Yeah. That was a great animated. That's pisses me off.
Ice Bear (1:34:28)
Yes. Yep. What the fuck was I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't think of the name of it.
Yeah,
⁓ bummer. Bummer, bummer, bummer.
Grizz (1:34:41)
How do you, what's
dog in Spanish? No, not Spanish. Japanese is ino. But what's the other one? What's wolf in Japanese?
Ice Bear (1:34:44)
Per. Inu.
⁓ Hold on. What is this called? Because I feel like it's just like something.
Because the guy's blonde, right? Yeah, what is that called?
Grizz (1:35:02)
Yeah.
He's a, god damn it, it's a fuck, it's a good one.
Ice Bear (1:35:14)
Okami, but I don't think it's that. ⁓
Grizz (1:35:16)
Ooh, oi.
Yeah, it's like something you know, like it's a
Ice Bear (1:35:43)
Yeah, for sure is something with a
man.
This is important research people, we're sorry.
Grizz (1:35:54)
It
really is, because that's a good fucking series.
It's like wolf something right like it's like isn't it like
Damn, I can't remember it. It's like something.
Is it like, ⁓ anime wolf boy dog girl? Let's see if that works. It fucking is. Wolf girl and the black prince. God damn. That's the English name. That's the English name. Yeah. Wolf girl and the black prince.
Ice Bear (1:36:32)
You
the, yep, black prince. Yeah. I was trying, yeah, that
is, it's so good. It's so good.
Grizz (1:36:47)
What's the fucking...
I know that's the English name. What's the fucking other name? The regular name. ⁓
Okami Shojo to Kurooji. That was a really good one.
Ice Bear (1:37:01)
There you go. There you go.
that yes that that was outstanding because it was that was one of the ones that it knew exactly what it was and it was succinct it just nailed it it just knocked out the park it was fun it was a good time
Grizz (1:37:24)
Yeah, that was a great one.
Ice Bear (1:37:26)
Shit. Well, how'd that second beer go for you over there?
How's the old pow pandas?
Grizz (1:37:38)
I just think this is also a good beer. I do think it's a little better. This one's kind of hard. I gave this one a B minus or B plus because I think it deserves it. I think this one was better, but I don't think it deserves an A. So I'm like, I guess A minus does work. I feel like it should be in the B territory, but it is better than this one, which I think B plus is perfect for this one. So.
Ice Bear (1:37:47)
Yes, you did. Yep.
⁓
Mm-hmm.
Well, mean, mean,
why can't they both be B pluses, but just know the one is better? That happens sometimes. Like there's ranking within the grades. Double B plus, but POW is better.
Grizz (1:38:11)
All right.
I think.
Double B plus, double B plus, but Pow Day is better. Pow Day is almost an A. I got to know man, like, you know, now Pow Day is an A minus. It deserves an A minus. Pow Day is an A minus.
Ice Bear (1:38:30)
Good job, Powday. Good job.
See, this is what happens. If you present a reality that seems wrong, you correct it. So we had our winter solstice was ⁓ a quality ⁓ B. And much like you, my second one was better. Neon Trees is a...
Damn. Yeah, A minus. I'm going A minus. Yep.
Grizz (1:38:55)
⁓
nearly perfect embarrassing. We're talking about a bear. I'm best. I'll bear it.
Ice Bear (1:38:59)
Yep.
Aba-sync? Aba-sync-a.
Grizz (1:39:05)
busing.
I think that's a good word.
Ice Bear (1:39:14)
That's, that's, yes, put that on the shirts.
Grizz (1:39:21)
And with that... ⁓
Ice Bear (1:39:24)
with that.
Don't bite your microphone.