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Hosted by Jared Correia, Legal Late Night is a weekly, pop culture-infused romp through the latest & greatest business management ideas and technology tips for lawyers, featuring engaging guests, and constructed in the format of an old school television variety show.
Jared Correia (00:00):
Hello everybody. We've got a show that promises to be at least mildly interesting for your listening and watching enjoyment. That's right. It's our first ever live episode of the Legal Late Night podcast. Thank you all for coming. If you haven't listened to or watched our show before, it's like a classic late night television show with a monologue. Then we interview a guest, and after that, it's a free for all, a totally unhinged and unrelated segment or sketch, usually with a guest, and that'll be the case today. We'll have multiple guests. So let me tell you what's happening. First, I want to share with you some of my worst LinkedIn messages that I've ever received. I'm naming names and telling you how I reply, and if you want, you can get in on the Act two. So while I'm talking about that, search through your LinkedIn inbox.
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Let me know if you have any horrible messages and then we can analyze them together. After that, we've got Dr. Cain Elliott, a Filevine heard of them. Well, Dr. Cain's, the head legal futurist at Filevine, and we're going to talk about the future of Filevine, the future of legal, and there may be some mention of AI as well. Probably last, we're talking Dumb and Dumber. The classic 1994 comedy with a whole ass panel is such a fine film that it rightly deserves an audience panel. Dr. Cain's back, but we've also got Erik Bermudez, who's the VP of Strategic Partnerships at Filevine and also Mary Lyon, who is vice president of expert Teams at Filevine. Somehow we've dragged everybody into this, but before we get all the way there, let's talk about something that Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunn never had to deal with, which is stupid ass LinkedIn messages.
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There are a lot of things in the world that I view as necessary. Evils, annoyances. Here's a short list. Smartphones. Smartphones are horrible. There's absolutely no reason. Literally any asshole should be able to reach me anywhere. I happen to be totally unnecessary. Next, the internet. The internet kind of sucks. Honestly. There's no mystery in anything anymore, and I don't have to work very hard to get information. Where are all the encyclopedia salesmen? I ask you next ai. Don't get me fucking started on ai. Hey, I made a new salmon recipe using chat GPT. Well, that's great, Samantha, but it's eventually going to go rogue and kill us all. At least we'll have some dope salmon until we're eradicated. Yolo, right? Indoor plumbing, actually, indoor plumbing is pretty awesome. My bad add. Then I've got a subset of some of the same stuff. LinkedIn. LinkedIn is great for business development.
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It's also on my smartphone and makes me write things using ai. Fuck all that noise. But when you start holding yourself out on LinkedIn and you get some traction, the problem is that people start messaging you with all kinds of bullshit. Dante should write an EPILOG to the Inferno where my LinkedIn inbox is the 10th circle of hell. So I wanted to share with you some of the messages I got and from whom, and I'll tell you how I feel about these messages and how I'd respond. In the meantime, we got a small audience here, so feel free to look at the gnarliest messages in your LinkedIn inbox. And if you want to, you can read some of them live for the group. Trust me, it will be very cathartic. Let me buy you some time. First of all, here's a message from some guy I don't even know, named Ed McGee on LinkedIn.
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That's right, ed McGee. Thanks for connecting Jared. Standing out in today's crowded market is tough, isn't it? Clients have endless choices and credibility is everything. Our selection committee has identified you as an excellent candidate to be interviewed and featured a feature in top 10 innovators and Entrepreneurs Magazine puts you ahead, helping you build trust to attract more business and gain visibility. Let's discuss. Send me your email and phone number or schedule some time on my calendar. This is actually my bad because I accidentally accepted this connection. Did you know that I was one of the top 100 innovators and or entrepreneurs in the United States, perhaps the world? I didn't. Oh, sure, ed, I have no idea who you are, but here's my email and personal cell phone number. So you may be asking yourself, is there a cost to such a wonderful service as Ed McGee is offering me?
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Fortunately, there's a Reddit thread on the topic, and if I wanted to jump in, I'm looking at a $1,300 half page ad or a $2,000 full page ad that was not disclosed to me in the original LinkedIn message, as you might imagine. Message number two from Dan Griffith, hand clap emoji, followed by, congrats on another trip around the sun in your role. Here's to more wins, fewer headaches and coffee. That's always strong enough to get you through Monday morning, coffee emoji, rocket ship emoji. First of all, too many emojis, dog. My head is spinning, but there are no EP plan emojis, so I'm counting that as a win.
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So you mean the genErik role that I have that you did not take the time to actually reference is what we're talking about here. Don't even know what I do for a living. Great. Maybe Dan. Maybe I don't drink coffee, as it turns out, I don't. Anyway, who says another trip around the sun? Grandpa, let's update the messaging. Put it on chat. GPT. Talk like a younger person. Next. Gregory Drake says in six months, everyone will be fighting to get access to this AI tech. Right now, only a handful are using it. These are real appointments booked automatically. Automatically. While I slept. Want to see this before it goes mainstream? I have some questions. First, if everyone's fighting for technology, is it a physical fight? And are weapons allowed? My head will be on a swivel. I want to know this in advance. Second, are there people booking appointments overnight or Gregory Drake, do you sleep during the day?
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Third, we're talking about few people using it. How few people are we talking about? And is Leonardo DiCaprio one of them? Fourth? Why is the timeframe six months maybe. This is so fucking good. Everybody's going to be all over it in three months. And then fifth, Gregory Drake sounds like a made up name to me, frankly. Are you a superhero duck Trying to hide your identity. Maybe this is Dark Wing duck. Anybody remember Dark Wing Duck? Yes. Yeah. Okay, good. Got a bunch of old people in the room here with me. That's good to know. Next, Caitlyn Dwyer says, Hey, Jared, does your title company offer an enhanced homeowner's policy? A closing? Well, it would if I owned a title company, but I don't. Fun fact, don't even own a law firm. And with the smallest amount of research and some critical thinking, you would know that too, Caitlin.
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Alright, I got one more message is from someone named Nikita Beit, Sony, and he says, Hey, Jared, we're on the verge of launching Claris Sign and an AI that drafts negotiates and auto fills contracts in seconds before our official launch. I'm inviting a handful of top legal leaders to an exclusive preview. I'd love for you to be one of them. Yeah, well, he said that part right? At least let me know and I'll set up early access with a lifetime free account so you can feel the magic best Makita. And this was going well until you feel the magic. Yeah, that's actually what the message said. We're going very well, right until the end. Do I want to feel the magic? No. Do I want to touch the magic or be anywhere near the magic at this point? Not at all. So unfortunately, you've lost me. This has got to be some kind of euphemism, right? Am I being solicited? I guess I just mentioned the product though, so kudos to you, Nikita. You've won. All right. Does anybody have a LinkedIn message? They would like to read out loud. People are searching and if you don't, that's okay. Everyone does not want to expose their LinkedIn inbox like me. I'm like, fuck these people.
(08:34):
Alright. I tried. I tried to do some live interactive podcasting, but I failed. So let's get to it. Next up, we've got Dr. Cain Elliott, a Filevine. He makes Dr. Seuss look like a raggedy bitch by comparison, the real doctor. Well, I've effectively run out of things to say, which is awkward because this is a live podcast. So I think I'm just going to look over there for the next 45 minutes and hope no one notices. Now, I won't really do that. Andy Kaufman might be able to pull that off, not me. So let's get to our guest today. As I said, it's Dr. Cain Elliott. He's the chief legal futurist at Filevine.
Jared Correia (09:21):
Dr. Cain,
Jared Correia (09:22):
Welcome. Pleasure, chief Legal Futurist. Sounds made up.
Dr. Cain Elliott (09:27):
It is. Okay. The CEO and I literally made it up so that when anywhere I went to speak with people or talk to them, we would be sure that I could get an audience and tell them more about file line and what we do. So we did make it up.
Jared Correia (09:40):
What does the Chief League of Futurist actually do?
Dr. Cain Elliott (09:43):
So I run what I would describe as a skunkworks development team. So we built products
Jared Correia (09:49):
And would you tell the people at home and in the audience what skunkworks is? Sometimes I run into people who don't
Dr. Cain Elliott (09:54):
Know. So the idea is that we try to innovate within the company with a smaller team, build out radically crazy ideas, take all the learnings that we have from those projects, and then disseminate those in the rest of the organization. That's cool. So as File line gets larger and large, it's really important that we find creative ways to keep innovating, keep pushing the teams, and so we're part of the core of doing that.
Jared Correia (10:17):
And I'm sure because you've had the skunkworks thing going for a little while, some of the stuff that you've worked on has actually made it into the product over the course of time. Yes. Can you talk about any of those things or?
Dr. Cain Elliott (10:25):
Yeah. So for example, different learnings that we have from things like immigration, ai that was built and came out a few years ago. You see that disseminating across the product with different types of AI offerings within File Line. Sometimes it's just certain patterns that we see certain vendors we're working with that work out well. So all kinds of things, but usually things that would be in the background that you might not necessarily know came from that kind of
Jared Correia (10:52):
Process. And if you told me about some of these current skunkwork projects, you'd have to kill me, right?
Dr. Cain Elliott (10:57):
Correct.
Jared Correia (10:57):
Okay. And I would,
Dr. Cain Elliott (10:58):
Yeah,
Jared Correia (10:58):
Let's move on. I'm from Texas, so Oh, you're from Texas. Sorry. I'm not going to fuck with you then. Now. Yeah. Okay. So we're at Lex Summit right now. Well, not right now when you're listening to this probably, but right now we're at Lex Summit. But what is time? Time is just a construct. This is File vin's annual user conference, and it's a great take. I've been here a few times. How's it going for you? What do you think? And can I get one of the Filevine jackets?
Dr. Cain Elliott (11:26):
You have asked me about the jacket several times. Several times. So I will deliver on the jacket at some point. Thank God. Yes. I'll wear it proudly. Yeah, no, I'm really excited. I think for all of us, this is a great opportunity to meet with our users, to show everybody what we've been working on in the past year to talk through that. There's nothing quite the same. So look, we work in legal tech. If you do that, you're going to have vocal loud users. So we do all the time. They tell us what they think about everything. They love everything. They hate everything. They think about everything. So we hear that, but it's different and it's really meaningful. I think also it's really motivating for the team to get out there. So you hear a lot of what a users want to see in the platform or currently seeing what it is they want to happen with Filevine. And that acts as a great motivator for the company. And also, as I was telling you before we got started today, it's a great force function for the company to push hard towards objectives or goals. We've been working on the whole year
(12:26):
To try to make sure those things are out and looking the way we want when the event starts.
Jared Correia (12:31):
Also,
Dr. Cain Elliott (12:32):
A lot of people have a very good time.
Jared Correia (12:34):
That's a great, like I said, I've been here before. It's a great conference. If you haven't come out yet, make sure you go to the next one. It's going to be even bigger than this one.
Dr. Cain Elliott (12:42):
Yeah, we used to do it in Park City, and my favorite part about that was people would fly in to Salt Lake City, which was already at Elevation that some of them weren't used to then drive up to Park City and then start drinking at the conference and water. Yes. Lots of water and no, them would have lots of headaches and not wonder, not understand why they were feeling the way they were feeling at Elevation.
Jared Correia (13:05):
You got to hydrated altitude. You do. I feel like that's the thing that people should be aware of.
Dr. Cain Elliott (13:09):
Yes.
Jared Correia (13:09):
What a public service. You're performing here. We're doing our best. I think it's interesting that you source feedback like that. I feel like when people are talking shit about your legal tech online, there's a little keyboard warrior stuff going on, and then when you get somebody out of the conference, it's actually a lot easier to interact. Right?
Dr. Cain Elliott (13:28):
Yeah. Also, I don't really engage in online feedback because for the reason you said a lot of things, LinkedIn, I mean you've led with that hustle porn. I'm not into it. It's a lot of it out there. Yeah, there's a lot of it out there. I mean, a lot of people post a lot of things and with AI are posting a lot more. I interact with a lot of our
Jared Correia (13:49):
Clients. So you secretly hate AI too.
Dr. Cain Elliott (13:51):
It's not about hate ai. Just people can use any tool in any way you see fit and humans will find a way to make certain things very annoying. Yeah. My favorite thing is after we've just announced a big new raise with vin, I get millions of messages acting as if I personally raised all of that money and need financial advice from an endless supply of people hitting me up on LinkedIn.
Jared Correia (14:13):
You're like, what do you spend that money on
Dr. Cain Elliott (14:15):
Cain? Yeah. It's just
Jared Correia (14:16):
Private. The public wants to know.
Dr. Cain Elliott (14:17):
Yeah, it just goes straight to my bank
Jared Correia (14:19):
Account. The check was made out to you, right? It's a big check, I think it was. And then they hand it over to you. Yes, precisely. Good. I'm glad we cleared that up. Now everybody knows
Dr. Cain Elliott (14:26):
Publishers Clearinghouse.
Jared Correia (14:27):
Yes. One of the things I like about these conferences, you've always got a bunch of integration partners at these things, including some of some new ones, some old ones. Do you want to shout out any integration partners and some of the coolest things they're doing while we're here?
Dr. Cain Elliott (14:46):
I'm a big nerd, so I love that we have RSM here that's bring on, you can see signs everywhere for Vine skills. That's an amazing
Jared Correia (14:54):
Job. People are not here in the audience. Looking at you audience, can you tell people what each of those companies do broadly speaking?
Dr. Cain Elliott (15:02):
Yeah. So R sm, they work with accounting integrations for clients, and I love nerdy backend stuff that keeps the lights on for your business or your law firm.
Jared Correia (15:12):
So
Dr. Cain Elliott (15:13):
Love to see them here. Vine Skills partner that you can see all over. They do implementations for different partners. You'll see siki out there as well, which I think they're running the wifi at this conference. They also do a great job as a partner. And I think those partners provide a really important function in the file line ecosystem because people get on the platform. They don't necessarily have people inside their firm that are running file line or thinking about running file line all the time. Then. So they provide a really necessary function and act as a almost extension of the company itself.
Jared Correia (15:47):
Sick kid. Right. I saw that wifi passion. I'm like, is this a cry for help? Is there a sick child at the event? It's a company. You'd have to ask them about the origins of the name. Okay, I will. I will before I leave. Alright. What, so at these conferences, like announcements of Plenty are happening. So what's the most interesting stuff for you in terms of new Filevine announcements that you can talk about Right now? I
Dr. Cain Elliott (16:14):
Can't preemptively talk about people what they're going to do on main stage, but I would say prior to main stage. Prior to main stage, I would say that if you come down to, I'm going to give a plug for what we're doing in the Futurist lounge. So you will see some very fun tools that my team have actually built around social networking. But that is closed off just for legal. So I really love that you led in with the LinkedIn piece because I really, we
Jared Correia (16:42):
Didn't even plan this well. No,
Dr. Cain Elliott (16:45):
I didn't. We didn't. I know. And I personally really missed legal Twitter.
Jared Correia (16:50):
Oh, legal Twitter.
Dr. Cain Elliott (16:51):
Yeah. So it's building up a piece. Are you on legal blue sky now?
Jared Correia (16:54):
What's going on with You
Dr. Cain Elliott (16:57):
Mean I'm on
Jared Correia (16:58):
All these things. This man is looking for community.
Dr. Cain Elliott (17:00):
Yes. Yeah. So no, so I missed that. So we built some new networking features, but they're locked off that our team has locked off just to people involved in legal.
Jared Correia (17:08):
Cool.
Dr. Cain Elliott (17:09):
So trying to avoid those kinds of dms you're
Jared Correia (17:11):
Describing. Yes, that'd be great.
Dr. Cain Elliott (17:13):
Yeah,
Jared Correia (17:13):
Sign me up. Let's talk about the suite of AI products that Filevine has currently. Yeah, so I mean, I think you guys have one of the best product suites for AI on the market.
Dr. Cain Elliott (17:23):
Yeah, I think if you look the totality of the product, we have a basic thesis for all of these things, which is that, here's how I describe it Before File Line and a lot of cloud services, we used to say the problem in legal was too many inputs. So you had emails coming at you, documents coming at you texts, facts, whatever you name it, LinkedIn messages, LinkedIn messages, God forbid, all these of things. And then the post AI problem, I think is too many outputs in too many places.
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So you need a widget and tool for this AI product, for this one, for this one, and on and on and on. And so our idea is basically that what you really want is that your system of reference, your basic place where you store your documents, where you work your cases, the place where you are every day should give you those AI outputs and allow you to put those together. So what you'll see in the platform, for example, is our interface for chatting with matters or cases, it's right there built into the system. It's in what we call sidebar, where you can chat with colleagues there, but you can also chat with ai, ask questions about your case, what's going on with the status, where things are depositions, ai, which was released last year and has been enhanced a lot in the coming year. I think that's a fantastic tool just because of the stakes being very high in that kind of situation.
Jared Correia (18:47):
Hardly anybody knows about AI deposition software. I feel like that's just strictly a knowledge
Dr. Cain Elliott (18:53):
Gap. It's interesting because there's all kinds of things people are using to get better dictation capture of things that are going on in terms of audio visual capture. But in terms of the Depo AI tools that we built up, I think that this is really strong front for us to bring together the trust we've built with clients over the last 10 years that they trust us in with their most precious items, which are the items that they work with, with their own clients on, and then bring that to deposition setting where the stakes can be even higher. So those are two of the items that I would highlight. Yeah.
Jared Correia (19:33):
Okay. I got two more questions for you. Hit it if you feel like you're getting Yeah,
Dr. Cain Elliott (19:36):
Let's do it. The lighting is nice. So I'm
Jared Correia (19:40):
I'm used to it now. I was hot at first. I was sweating bullets up here, but now I've gotten used to the lighting. So as a true legal futurist, I have to ask you one of my most important AI related questions. Sure. I so badly want there to be law firms with robots.
Dr. Cain Elliott (19:58):
Yes.
Jared Correia (19:59):
Like Rosie from the Jetsons robots.
Dr. Cain Elliott (20:02):
Yes. I'm just saying yes. For anything that goes after. Yes. When is that happening? I don't know, but have you seen the guys online that built the little robotic trash cans that follow them around in their office? They went viral. I feel like I need one though. In
Jared Correia (20:15):
China, I have
Dr. Cain Elliott (20:16):
Those, they're called children. Okay. Well, in most law firms employing children to do that would be a problem. But this is a company in China that has it. So the little robot trash cans follow them around. They pick up stuff from them. And these for me, I'm like, let's start with that. Let's get those. Then let the Tesla style optimist robots in. My only worry or concern about that is actually, I feel like if you've ever been late paying a bill, not that any of us ever has never, but imagine you don't pay your optimist Bill. And that homie's like, now I'm locking it up done here. Your account is clear. You're not leaving going anywhere your bed is made because I'll just be the robot sleeping into your bed for the next three months. Yeah. So your account is current. My only thing is does it have the keys or not or something? Yeah.
Jared Correia (21:07):
I mean, this is the plot of every terrible science fiction movie. Do you have any concerns?
Dr. Cain Elliott (21:12):
No, not right now.
Jared Correia (21:14):
Okay. Genuinely none. We're good everyone. Yeah. All right. Last question for you. What do you think is the most overlooked technology application or feature that lawyers are not using? Could be a file line specific thing. Could just be in general,
Dr. Cain Elliott (21:30):
Whether they're using file line or not, process mining about what's going on inside their firm. So what I'd say is that a lot of people strictly look at whatever system they're using, but they'll just look at the output and the return and what's going on in their firm, but not all the inputs that go into that and how those vary and change. So I think that the best thing, and I think I've probably been saying that same line for years and still feel that way, which is that
Jared Correia (21:57):
You want, that's why you're legal futurist.
Dr. Cain Elliott (21:58):
Yeah. Well, I keep looking at the same thing over and over. It's like staring at the sun talking to me. So I really think that what you want to do is figure out not just that every time Sam or Susan hit a case, the value seems to go up, but what are Sam and Susan doing as part of that case that's incrementally increasing value? What is it that a particular team member adds to something, especially when there's so much AI driven material there, or access to it. So if everybody has access to more information and more material about their cases and what they're working on, it doesn't mean that it's better outcomes if nobody's utilizing it. So if you get, like I said, a lot more output, right? But nobody's bothering to go through that, it doesn't mean that you're optimizing outcomes. Gotcha. Yeah,
Jared Correia (22:47):
This is delightful.
Dr. Cain Elliott (22:49):
Pleasure as always.
Jared Correia (22:50):
Yeah. I always enjoy talking with you. Will you stick around so we can talk about the greatest film ever made? I will, yes. I was thinking about the toilet scene when you brought it up earlier. Oh my God, that was my favorite part of Citizen Cain as well. Yes, exactly. Welcome to the Counter program. It's a podcast within a podcast. This is a conversational space where we can address usually unrelated topics that I want to explore at a greater depth with my guest. Expect no rhyme and very little reason. Welcome back, Dr. Cain. Pleasure to be back. Thanks. Long time. No, see. Yes. Thanks for continuing to hang out. Hopefully you're not regretting it. Yeah. All right. I've got this all recorded too, on my glasses. Oh, good.
Dr. Cain Elliott (23:31):
Amazing. I'll my own edit.
Jared Correia (23:34):
We're also bringing on two new guests for this segment. We've got Mary Lyon, vice President expert teams of file, and then last but not least, the Lex Summit mc voice like Smooth Butter. Erik Bermudez, VP of Strategic Partnerships at File Mine. Welcome.
Erik Bermudez (24:01):
Thank you. Thank you for having us.
Mary Lyon (24:03):
Yeah, thanks.
Jared Correia (24:04):
Okay. We're going to talk about Dumb and Dumber, which is a 1994 Fairley Brothers comedy starring Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels. May I read you the IMDB summary before we begin? Do
Jared Correia (24:19):
Please. Yeah.
Jared Correia (24:21):
After a woman leaves a briefcase at the airport terminal, a dumb limo driver and his dumber friend set out on a hilarious cross country road trip to Aspen to return it. That about sums us up. Thanks for coming.
Erik Bermudez (24:36):
That's actually the first time I have ever heard anyone peg which one's dumb and which one's dumber. So that's interesting.
Jared Correia (24:43):
So yes, Lloyd is dumb, but Harry's dumber. See, I always thought it was the other way around reverse that.
Erik Bermudez (24:50):
I have thought it's been the other way around. For 31 years.
Jared Correia (24:53):
The debate ensues. All right. So Cain, do you have thoughts on who's Dumber in the movie?
Dr. Cain Elliott (24:58):
So I don't think either of them are. I think,
Jared Correia (25:01):
Wow, we're zagging already. The
Dr. Cain Elliott (25:03):
Film is,
Jared Correia (25:04):
It's like I'm a legal futurist if we're going in totally different direction.
Dr. Cain Elliott (25:07):
Yeah, no, the film is like social commentary. Right. And neither of there may be some of the more intelligent players in the comedy that is late AmErikan modern life.
Jared Correia (25:18):
Wow. Right. That is an unexpected deep cut. So deep, so deep. Wow. Tons applause right there. Okay. Did you skunk work that shit or what? Yes sir. Okay. But seriously, if you're in the audience, the non-live audience, you're probably being like, what the hell is happening? Well, I love this movie, and that should be reason enough for us to talk about it. But also, several key scenes were filmed in Utah. Did you guys know this? I did.
Mary Lyon (25:48):
I didn't know until you asked to talk about it, honestly.
Jared Correia (25:52):
Do you want to hear about some of the scenes?
Mary Lyon (25:53):
There were film? Yeah. Which ones were filled here?
Jared Correia (25:56):
Because
Erik Bermudez (25:56):
It was split, right? Somewhere in Colorado, somewhere in Utah,
Jared Correia (25:59):
I think some in California
Dr. Cain Elliott (26:00):
Maybe.
Erik Bermudez (26:01):
Well, someone
Dr. Cain Elliott (26:02):
Told me that there were scenes that were supposed to be Aspen, that were filmed in Breckenridge, and I was going to pretend like I was a story for me.
Jared Correia (26:09):
Yes. That I knew you
Mary Lyon (26:11):
Created that story,
Dr. Cain Elliott (26:11):
But
Jared Correia (26:12):
I didn't. Yeah. So someone told me about this, and I can't recall exactly who it was, but I don't believe they're on stage with me right now. But they were supposed to be in Vail, and they filmed the Vail scenes in like Breckenridge. Okay, good. And they had a sign in Breckenridge said, welcome to Vail. And nobody knew where to go. They were all screwed up. So they couldn't find the ski resort, and they thought they were in the wrong town. So they filmed some of the scenes there. The airport scenes are filmed, the Salt Lake City International Airport. The old one did
Mary Lyon (26:46):
Know that. Wait, the airport scene
Jared Correia (26:48):
At the very beginning? Yes.
Mary Lyon (26:49):
It's in the old version of the airport. That's why you didn't recognize it though.
Jared Correia (26:52):
Well, we're getting some good Utah content. All my ton fans, you're going to enjoy this stuff. And then Harry Lloyd's apartment is in Salt Lake City, two 80 South, 300th street east. If anyone's interested in going,
Mary Lyon (27:05):
Okay, go check it out.
Jared Correia (27:08):
Let's go. Go check it out. Yeah. The scene with the gas man. Wow. Erik, you are a true fan. I'm impressed. Ogden. There's the AmErikan Legion Post. They filmed some scenes there. Union Pacific Depot in Salt Lake City, and then the mansion where they dress up in the tuxedos
Jared Correia (27:26):
For,
Jared Correia (27:27):
I think it's the Owl sanctuary thing that is at Devereaux Mansion in Salt Lake City.
Mary Lyon (27:32):
Oh
Jared Correia (27:33):
Wow. And Mary's parents mansion is at six perseverance court in Park City. So there are a lot of Utah tie-ins to Dumb and Dumber. Alright, let's get
Mary Lyon (27:43):
Into this. I wouldn't guess that many.
Jared Correia (27:44):
Let's make some real decisions here. I'm never going to start. I'll take the hit. Who's the MVP of the movie and why? Mary, I'm going to start with you.
Mary Lyon (27:57):
I would have to say Jim Carrey just, I feel like he carries a lot of the movie.
Jared Correia (28:02):
Well done.
Mary Lyon (28:03):
Nice pun
Jared Correia (28:04):
Off to a good start.
Mary Lyon (28:04):
Yeah. Jim Carrey all the way.
Jared Correia (28:08):
Cain. I'll go to you next. The dark. Im going to make this a little tougher on you. The dog van. The dog fan.
Dr. Cain Elliott (28:13):
The dog van is the mv
Jared Correia (28:15):
The must cuts fan. Yes. The shagging wagon. That's
Mary Lyon (28:19):
The vehicle. If we had to leave here today with a vehicle from that movie, that would be the vehicle I would choose. So that's fair.
Dr. Cain Elliott (28:24):
No, if you had to leave here with any vehicle, wouldn't you want I would be badass to roll out of Lex and be like
Jared Correia (28:30):
A roll out in a dog car.
Mary Lyon (28:32):
It's true. True. It's true.
Jared Correia (28:34):
I feel like not only is there the opportunity for next year's conference to have a remodeled version, A theme of the shagging wagon.
Dr. Cain Elliott (28:42):
Yeah,
Jared Correia (28:43):
That would be good. So that when they're doing the
Dr. Cain Elliott (28:47):
That. Yeah. All that happens in the car.
Jared Correia (28:49):
His The car. Yeah, absolutely. Erik Cain left you with an opening by picking for the MVP of the movie, an inanimate object and not a human.
Erik Bermudez (29:00):
I've thought a lot about this. Oh, good. Over the past couple of days.
Mary Lyon (29:04):
I was like, your entire life,
Erik Bermudez (29:06):
Naturally, I think everyone in the audience and online would think that I'm going to say Jeff Daniels, but I'm not. Oh, I love, because I do think there is an individual, there's a specific scene that everybody knows. I mean, one of the most famous quotes deals with a cardigan. Does everyone know that scene? Yes. Okay. So I think the Cop Oh yeah. Is an MVP?
Jared Correia (29:28):
Yes. Oh wow. That
Erik Bermudez (29:29):
Is a deep cut. I love it. He takes a drink of something unique and something
Jared Correia (29:32):
Special. It's urine.
Erik Bermudez (29:33):
And he does this clicking if you try. When I was eight years old, I tried to do that time and time. It's really hard. So anyway, you nailing it now though. The fact that this many years down the road, I'm still talking about that. It's impress. I think he's an MVP for sure.
Jared Correia (29:54):
I love that. That's a great call. Harlan Williams, by the way, was the name of that comedian. If you're interested. He probably has a fan club. Or if not, you could start it.
Mary Lyon (30:03):
I think Erik should. Erik should.
Jared Correia (30:05):
I think we should. So I think we should mention Jeff Daniels at least, who was a big part of the movie. Yeah. Did you know that his agent was like, you cannot take this movie. That seems really correct. Yes.
Mary Lyon (30:21):
Worried it was a career killer.
Jared Correia (30:23):
Yes. His agent referred to him as a quote, serious and important actor, and this would destroy his career. So he took a set. Do you want to guess what his salary was for the movie? It's 1994, right? 1990 $4.
Mary Lyon (30:38):
1990 $4.
Jared Correia (30:41):
I know. 185,000. Oh, that's close. That's close. $50,000 is what he was paid to do this movie. Wow. No backend royalties or anything like that. He just wanted to do the
Mary Lyon (30:49):
Movie. He just thought it was funny.
Jared Correia (30:51):
Wow. He just wanted do it.
Mary Lyon (30:52):
I mean, he is an amazing actor. He has range. If you do look at all the things, full house and then all of the, no, I'm just kidding. All of the things. He has range.
Erik Bermudez (31:02):
They did play really well together.
Mary Lyon (31:04):
They did. Yes, they did.
Erik Bermudez (31:04):
I think their personalities played really, really well.
Mary Lyon (31:07):
Yeah.
Jared Correia (31:08):
All right. Let's continue on. This is going well so far. What is the best one-liner or scene in the movie? You can choose either, Erik, I'll start with you this time. I think I might be able to guess, but you can surprise me. Also,
Erik Bermudez (31:25):
There's one where there was a moment of just desperation and they're trying to figure out how they're going to survive in this just ridiculously difficult economy. And Lloyd comes up and says, we have no food. We have no jobs. Our pets heads are falling off. And I just think, I mean, that's classic. I've probably said that about three or four times a week since I was eight years old.
Mary Lyon (31:51):
I can attest to that. He walks around the office saying that all the
Erik Bermudez (31:54):
Time. I mean, there's just so much emotion and sentiment packed into that one liner. You can say that in so many situations. And immediately if you know the movie, you get it.
Jared Correia (32:03):
I love how Erik's screaming during the podcast. The audio guys ears are explo right now. Sorry sir. That that's a great, the precursor to that scene where they have the parakeet whose has fallen off and they tape it back on scotch tape and sell it to the blind kid. That is just, oh, I forgot about the kid. Okay, good one. Good one. Mary, let's go to you and then we'll go
Mary Lyon (32:30):
To, I mean, similar to Erik. I feel like there's one line that you use regularly. I think all of us use it regularly. It's in messaging or to each other. There's all the gifts out there. So you're saying there's a chance?
Jared Correia (32:47):
Oh yes.
Mary Lyon (32:48):
This is a good one. That is the line that carries throughout time.
Jared Correia (32:53):
That does. He goes, he finally meets Mary Swanson, whose name he gets wrong throughout the film.
Mary Lyon (32:58):
Yes.
Jared Correia (32:59):
Sams Knight, Slappy Flippy. And she's like, basically, I would never date you.
Mary Lyon (33:07):
Yep.
Jared Correia (33:08):
Pretty much. There's an almost non like one in a million. Yeah, one in a million chance. He's like, so you're telling me there's a chance. Excellent. Jim Carey. That is fine. Sorry, KA, what do you got?
Dr. Cain Elliott (33:17):
No, I'm good.
Jared Correia (33:18):
You're good? I'm good. Those were the two you wanted?
Dr. Cain Elliott (33:21):
Well, I was trying to think of another one that failed.
Jared Correia (33:25):
Well, can I throw out, I'm just a child actually, and my favorite scene is Jeff Daniels in the bathroom when Jim Carrey gives him laxative and the bathroom's broken, and he just goes to town for four or five minutes and you think it's over and then it continues. I could watch this all day long. Tears of laughter streaming down my face, which I'm not embarrassed to say, is a nearly 50-year-old man. I love that scene. So wait, you brought up the
Dr. Cain Elliott (33:55):
Toilet scene. I guess since we're at Lex, I'll give you a little toilet lore about file line. I figured that there's no other place this could come up other than on this podcast. It's no natural conversation right here. No, no, no. But I'm also, I'm on with Erik and Mary, who I've been at the company long enough like myself to actually know that this existed. But so when five got started, we know where this are now. Okay. We inherited a space that's, let's say, wasn't custom made for developing legal software, but was genErikally whatever was in the small building that was, what was it, an insurance shop in Provo? I thought it was
Mary Lyon (34:32):
Like a, okay. Yeah. I thought it was a printing shop of some.
Dr. Cain Elliott (34:35):
Who the hell knows what. It was very special. What I will tell you is this location had a double toilet.
Mary Lyon (34:43):
Yeah.
Dr. Cain Elliott (34:44):
Wait, just two
Jared Correia (34:46):
Toilets next to each other.
Dr. Cain Elliott (34:47):
No
Jared Correia (34:47):
Stalls, stall. Wall. Wall. Really? No dividing walls. Wait, were they facing each other?
Dr. Cain Elliott (34:52):
No, but it's like side by side. No, it's like episode hold. There's probably three, three and a half feet. No one knew why. None of us had any idea what had happened, who constructed this thing originally. But it was like that. And
Erik Bermudez (35:08):
You've upgraded since then.
Dr. Cain Elliott (35:10):
Yeah.
Erik Bermudez (35:10):
Really quick. Two comments on that though. I think this is extremely important. This is great. Let's talk
Jared Correia (35:14):
About toys.
Erik Bermudez (35:15):
We're going to talk about the upgrade right now. It shows the grit grind of Filevine back in the early days. But secondly, the first thing that came to my mind was efficiency and productivity. So I think there's reasons for you could have meetings to the floor. And third is it gave every team member the moment you walked in a question, which one are you going to use today? And you had to pause. You just have one. I don't think this guy can write your LinkedIn. Sorry. Sorry. This is, I just had to go a little deeper around the why the, this is why you're
Jared Correia (35:51):
The mc. This is great.
Mary Lyon (35:53):
I thought you were going to bring up that it brought in a lot of humility. There was no egos. If you're going into a bathroom like that, you just,
Jared Correia (36:00):
No egos,
Mary Lyon (36:01):
Walls are dropped. Vulnerable time. That is
Jared Correia (36:06):
Jeff Daniels said that he thinks that is going to be the image on his tombstone, him sitting on the toilet. May I also throw out for your consideration, the most annoying sound in the world, which
Jared Correia (36:16):
I think
Jared Correia (36:17):
Caman, which was an ad-lib by Jim Carrey, by the way. It
Dr. Cain Elliott (36:20):
Was very good. Really?
Jared Correia (36:21):
They didn't know That was time. I didn't know that. Yep. And then
Dr. Cain Elliott (36:24):
Should have known
Jared Correia (36:24):
Erik, we talked about this before we did this live show. We've landed on the moon when they get into Veil and they see the 1969 newspaper reprint and they think they're on the moon, which also an ad lib by Jim Carrey.
Erik Bermudez (36:39):
Really? Okay.
Jared Correia (36:41):
He's a beast. Alright, I'll give you one more Jim Carrey ad lib, which is when they're walking out of the store and these guys walk by and he's like, big gulps, huh? That was, those guys weren't even part of the movie. They were just randomly on set. They weren't even extras. And he just ad-libbed that scene. He's a genius.
Erik Bermudez (36:58):
Whoa. Wait, wait. Time out. They just randomly were standing on the sidewalk.
Jared Correia (37:01):
Yeah, they walked into the The movie set. Yeah.
Mary Lyon (37:05):
Erik Bermudez (37:06):
Security
Mary Lyon (37:07):
Protocols were different. This was the day. No, you could have just walked into that set.
Jared Correia (37:14):
And I got to say, I'm slightly disappointed that I didn't hear maybe the best scene from the movie when Jim Carrey trades the shagging wagon for a moped. And then Jeff Daniels is about to chew him out, but he's like, and then you totally redeemed yourself.
Mary Lyon (37:30):
Alright,
Jared Correia (37:31):
That's a good one. We talked about best vehicles already. I think
Mary Lyon (37:36):
We're unanimous on that one.
Jared Correia (37:37):
I like the moped also. The moped where they're driving in and they're like back to back basically.
Mary Lyon (37:43):
That's fair.
Jared Correia (37:43):
And then these Frozen to em. Good stuff. Let me move on to, let's do this. What's your favorite Jim Carrey movie? Favorite or Best? Could be This one could be another one. And there are probably two different answers there. Kay, I'll start with you.
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:05):
I'll just give a quick response. So I don't think Turned Sunshine at Spotless Wine. You stole mine. Oh really?
Jared Correia (38:11):
Do you want to tell the people about
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:13):
That under watch film? I think it's what my brain looks like from the inside. It's fucked up. There's too many inputs coming in and things have to be wiped out in order to enjoy the rest of life. How's that?
Jared Correia (38:31):
So for those who don't know, he's got a girlfriend and she erases his memory. She
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:36):
Erases
Jared Correia (38:37):
Him through a scientific procedure.
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:39):
Yeah.
Jared Correia (38:40):
I believe this is Jim Carrey film.
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:41):
Yeah. Yeah. It's
Erik Bermudez (38:42):
Pulling on, I've never heard of this film my,
Dr. Cain Elliott (38:44):
This movie. No. So this line from Nietzsche, blessed are the forgetful for they have the Best of Life. I think it's playing off of that. And she erases him. He's Lovesick with all of these memories of her and is considering getting the same procedure done. But it's also giving you kind of a nice, a refrain going through it that all of that may happen again and of its own accord. So it's not, maybe it's like Time is a flat disc, but without the heavy, horrible, true crime emphasis where a lot of people have picked up on that since then. Should
Jared Correia (39:22):
I spoil the movie?
Mary Lyon (39:24):
No.
Jared Correia (39:24):
No. Okay. I won't spoil the movie. I don't. But the ending ending is really,
Mary Lyon (39:28):
I've never seen I, I've only seen parts of that. I've never seen the whole movie, but
Jared Correia (39:32):
It's very moving.
Mary Lyon (39:32):
Yeah, it is. It's
Jared Correia (39:34):
Kate Winslet, isn't it? Yes. Titan with Blue Hair. With Blue hair, yeah. Yeah. 2006, I think.
Dr. Cain Elliott (39:41):
Yeah.
Jared Correia (39:42):
So one of the best movies probably of the century. It's very good. And then Jim Carrey is a dramatic actor. Never gets credit, but he's actually really good in those roles.
Dr. Cain Elliott (39:50):
Also. Looks really good with the five o'clock shadow on that
Jared Correia (39:53):
Thing. Yes. He
Dr. Cain Elliott (39:53):
Got it going on.
Jared Correia (39:56):
Good choice. Yeah. Erik, we can go to you next. I
Erik Bermudez (40:00):
Don't think mine are on the same level as Dr.
Mary Lyon (40:05):
None of us can ever be on the same level. Dr. No, it's okay. Only nineties.
Erik Bermudez (40:09):
Carrie was
Mary Lyon (40:09):
My jam.
Erik Bermudez (40:10):
Fortunately or unfortunately, but I'm a huge number one mask fan. Yes. And the other fan. Yes. See Smoking, you know what I'm talking about. Impressive refrain on the nature of memory masks very similar. Very similar in terms of very similar terms, this death
Jared Correia (40:30):
And Substance. Erik, before you continue, can I tell you that the Mask made 300 million in profit? Did you know that? But one of the most profitable movies all time makes sense
Erik Bermudez (40:42):
To me. Yeah,
Jared Correia (40:42):
Go ahead. Go
Erik Bermudez (40:43):
Ahead. Absolutely Justified. And then Ace Ventura.
Jared Correia (40:47):
Yes.
Erik Bermudez (40:48):
Ace.
Jared Correia (40:48):
Oh, you're picking two Ventura. Yeah, go for it.
Erik Bermudez (40:50):
Head detective. Anyway, those two
Jared Correia (40:53):
Great
Erik Bermudez (40:53):
Movies was raised on those.
Jared Correia (40:54):
Yes. I could quote those verbatim. My brother, when he was younger, he would walk in the grocery store behind my mom, like Jim Carrey from those movies, and she'd turn her head and he'd stop
Mary Lyon (41:05):
With the same walk.
Jared Correia (41:06):
Yeah, he's in prison now. No, I'm just kidding. Mary, go ahead. What's your
Mary Lyon (41:13):
Favorite movie? Okay, so I actually, I have two as well. One is more serious. I consider it more serious. It is a comedy though. The Truman Show also. That's a
Erik Bermudez (41:22):
Good one.
Mary Lyon (41:23):
I feel like one of those where he just does a fantastic job. Also very humorous. But then second, everybody who knows me knows I love Christmas and The Grinch. I mean, the Grinch is one of the best.
Jared Correia (41:38):
All of you
Mary Lyon (41:39):
Watch The Grinch at Christmas time. You have to admit this. So that's the thing. Yeah, the Grinch.
Jared Correia (41:45):
So Erik, I don't know if you dabble, but I'm a big Ace Ventura two fan when Nature Calls. Have you seen that one?
Erik Bermudez (41:52):
Oh, a hundred percent.
Jared Correia (41:54):
Yeah. I think in some ways it might be better than the original. That's debatable. It is, but I'm debating it. That movie I think is funny all the way through as well. All right. Can I give you a few fun facts on Dumb and Dumber?
Jared Correia (42:12):
Please
Jared Correia (42:13):
Do, sir. Did you know that the original Mary Swanson's husband at the end was originally supposed to be Mel Gibson playing himself and Mel Gibson was like Mel Gibson was supposed to be her husband in the movie. And how about this? Two of the guys, they originally, they were originally thinking of casting for the roles, Nicholas Cage and Gary Oldman.
Erik Bermudez (42:36):
Oh my.
Jared Correia (42:36):
Would've been a slightly different movie.
Mary Lyon (42:38):
I'm just picturing it in my mind now.
Jared Correia (42:40):
Yes. Wow. And no one wanted to buy the script to Dumb and Dumber. So the original script was called A Power Tool is not a Toy.
Mary Lyon (42:52):
They just had to hide.
Jared Correia (42:56):
I don't know if anyone even wants to riff on that. That could get dangerous. But that was the original name of the script.
Dr. Cain Elliott (43:01):
I thought that was referencing trepidation where people put holes in their head to release the energy.
Jared Correia (43:09):
I think it was the same movie, just with a different title.
Erik Bermudez (43:11):
And I think now if we fast forward 31 years in the world of legal ai, that's very applicable. Oh gosh. I just want to tie it all together for the folks listening in our live audience.
Jared Correia (43:24):
I
Erik Bermudez (43:24):
Think we're done. What point. Thank you, Erik.
Jared Correia (43:27):
Thanks everybody. Thanks to our many guests for this episode. We had Dr. Cain Elliott to my left, Erik Bermudez, to my other left and Mary Lyon all from Filevine. Thanks to all of you for coming. I appreciate it. To learn more about Filevine, visit Filevine.com for the live audience. I'm just going to go through my outro here and they'll be done and come to Lex Summit next year. Right? You got to come. I hear the Shagging Wagon is going to be here. Yeah, it is. No promises. No,
Dr. Cain Elliott (43:57):
I just did. Yeah, they'll be here
Jared Correia (44:00):
Now because I'll always be a nineties kid who still has the uncut special edition of Dumb and Dumber on DVD. But his true passion is burning CDs for anyone who would listen. I'm now just doing the modern version of that, which is creating Spotify playlists for every podcast episode that I record where the songs are tangentially related to an episode topic. This week's playlist is songs from Farley Brothers movies and is sponsored by Kudos chocolate covered granola bars. Just kidding, kudos. Bars were sadly discontinued in 2017, which explains why everything sucks. Now, before I finish up, anybody want to talk about Farley Brothers movie? They like that is not dumb. Erik is like, I'm out. I'm good. I'm out. Really not a Farley Brothers fan enough. Okay. There's something about Mary.
Mary Lyon (44:45):
I was just going to say, there's something about, I don't think I actually have ever seen that movie, but the title appeals to.
Jared Correia (44:51):
Did you get teased for that?
Mary Lyon (44:52):
Something about Mary? Yeah.
Jared Correia (44:53):
Did you watch it?
Mary Lyon (44:54):
I've never seen it. Yeah. But I definitely got teased
Jared Correia (44:57):
About it. Yeah.
Mary Lyon (44:57):
Yeah, for sure.
Jared Correia (44:59):
There's something about Mary's really something about me as well. Alright, join us next time. I'll be back in my dining room staring down my nemesis, our pet leopard Gecko Raptor, who's going to outlive me. I hate that little fucker. Talk to you next time.