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The Arena is the official podcast of American Hunters and Anglers--the Front Line in the War on Public Lands and Wildlife. Here we discuss public lands, access, hunting, fishing, clean water... and the policies, plans and politicians who affect them. With decades of combined experience in outdoor traditions, public policy and electoral politics, AHA isn't afraid of the fight, we call it like we see it, we make it easy to understand and we have plenty of fun along the way.
"Credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood." -Theodore Roosevelt
Aaron Murphy (00:11)
From American hunters and anglers, welcome to the arena. This is the podcast of our organization. We are the frontline in the war on public lands and wildlife. I'm Aaron.
Land Tawney (00:12)
American hunters and anglers welcome to the arena. is the podcast of our organization We are the front line in the war on public lands and wildlife.
land
Barrett
Barrett (00:21)
I'm Barrett, but you can
call me BK.
Brin (00:23)
I'm Brynn, but you can call me Brynja or Ninja or whatever you want.
Aaron Murphy (00:27)
That's what we call our Brinja the Ninja. And all
Barrett (00:29)
You
Aaron Murphy (00:29)
four of us are behind the American Hunters and Anglers Action Network or AHA. Thank you for joining us for what we like to say is a
campfire chat. That's something we actually do every weekend when we can get out into public lands and sit around a campfire and catch up. So that's what we like to think of this session here. Something that we have been doing now that hunting season is underway, Barrett Land, I know you've been out quite a bit on public land so far. Land, start with you. How are they treating you?
Land Tawney (00:53)
How are they
treating you?
know, I've been out chasing grouse a little bit, which has been absolutely fun. But my favorite love is duck hunting. And I got out this last weekend and I brought a companion with me and it's was my 17 year old daughter, Sydney's boyfriend, Sam. Shout out to Sam if he's listening to this. We don't know each other very well, at least before this trip, but we got to know each other a lot better. So we went on this like epic two and a half mile hike in, which for ducks, like I don't think anybody does, but there's a spot I like to go to. We get there.
It's sunny, it's balmy, kind of like it is today. The birds are not flying. We sat there for about an hour and I was like, Sam, we gotta get up. And so we started moving around and jump shooting birds and it was awesome. I got to see him succeed. I got to see him fail. He ended up getting a double on two mallards, which was sweet. My dog, Tuli, like found at least three birds that there was no way we could have found them. So that was awesome.
And then the old boyfriend, he's kind of a stout kid and I made him the duck mule on the way back. So he had to pack out those ducks. We shot 10 of them and he had to bring those ducks back on the way out. So it was pretty awesome. And man, I just, it was on federal land and kind of state land put together and just, that's available to everybody. I'm not gonna say where it was, but we did hike in a long ways. Big time,
Brin (01:55)
You
You
Aaron Murphy (02:12)
So salmon just keep, huh?
Brin (02:13)
That's awesome.
Barrett (02:14)
That's awesome Lando
Land Tawney (02:16)
time.
Brin (02:16)
Shout out, Sam.
Barrett (02:17)
Well, I'm having I'm having a killer ⁓ season so far Primarily given by the fact that my son is 13 now, so he's got his hunter safety as his archery certification We walked around carrying sharp sticks in the woods looking for elk And then most recently caught the opening of pheasant hunting season and like land. I'm not telling you guys where we were but Really? It's just a special time to be
you know, out in the outdoors with family and working ⁓ to protect our public lands at the same time. So it's great to be a public land owner, a public land user, and in this case, a public land patriot.
Brin (02:57)
It was so fun seeing the video that you shot, BK. You sent me all that video. For those of you who don't know, I'm the social media creator.
And so BK sent me all these great videos of him and his son, and it was just, it was great to see that father-son time. ⁓ You know, such a handsome kid,
didn't get to spend as much time outside as you guys this weekend. ⁓ But, you know, if you grew up in a family where fall meant bird dogs and junk food and
your dad letting you drive way too young, this is going to hit home. We're about to play our Instagram video of BK talking about opening day. Some of you might clutch your pearls at his hot takes on pumpkin spice, but ⁓ I love this one. It captures the nostalgia.
Barrett (03:42)
You
Brin (03:46)
of what hunting season really means to people. So we'll play that for you now.
Aaron Murphy (05:20)
All right, Willy Whalen and the boys powerful stuff Barrett. And by the way, I've known Barrett for what? Almost 25 years
Brin (05:21)
Ew.
Barrett (05:23)
Hahaha
Aaron Murphy (05:27)
And I will tell you he will never tell me where he goes hunting. So but let's stick with what you said at the end Barrett. Today in our country, our outdoor legacy is at risk. And of course, that's the whole idea behind this organization. Aha. Lantani, how the hell did we get here?
Barrett (05:31)
Hahaha
Brin (05:32)
You
Land Tawney (05:42)
How the hell did
know, I think that this started with a new Congress and a new administration really and you know, I think that the threats are real
and it's something we need to pay attention to and right away, you know, the first thing that Congress did this year was create a rule that made it easier to sell public lands and that didn't really freak anybody out at first. We were right on top of it. We knew what else was coming. So fast forward to late spring and the House introduces a
part of this provision that would have sold 3.3 million acres. And at that point, the people started getting pissed and they spoke up and they pushed back on this and they stuffed it down where it needs to be. But then lo and behold, we have this chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Senator Mike Lee, who jumps in and reintroduces this bill again. That old ee, like the old mole rat jumps in.
And he introduces this provision again to sell 3.3 million acres. man, people thought they came out of the woodwork on the House version, the Senate version, they really came out of the woodwork. And this was people from all walks of life. know, think famous people like Joe Rogan talked about it, Cameron Haynes, like Ryan Callahan. But then you had just average Joes making videos on Instagram saying, hell no, they were calling their congressmen, 202-224-3121 if you want that phone number.
Brin (06:41)
you
Land Tawney (07:06)
and just shoving it back where it needed to be. And to me, when Mike Lee said, ⁓ this is just a bunch of paid hacks that are trying to stop this provision, I kind of laughed to myself and I said, you keep believing that Mike Lee, because this is America, because it's America's best idea, which is our public lands. And they said, hell no.
Brin (07:07)
Nice.
Barrett (07:25)
That's right the pushback was substantial I mean you're talking about public land owners users of all stripes political persuasions You know people who hunt fish camp hike all of those types of things ATVs snowmobilers You know people who love to you know nerd out and watch birds It was like the whole you know public land space was just lit on fire and the opposition was overwhelming
And look, I've been following politics for a long time. You almost never see a United States Senator have to literally withdraw his or her own piece of legislation. That is so embarrassing because he had no other choice because the pushback was substantial. So I really think that that was an example of how our voices actually really matter. And I know in this day and age, it's easy to think that
you know, calling your congressman, know, putting out social media, emailing, whatever it is, ⁓ it doesn't really matter, but it does. And that is a real tangible example of what,
know, our voices can do. And I remember, maybe you guys remember this video too, Land had spent a couple of days off, I he was fishing somewhere. He gets back on the grid, he gets to his phone, his phone is exploding, and this is when Mike Lee first dropped that bill, and he was on fire.
Aaron Murphy (08:33)
Yeah.
Barrett (08:49)
He was like, we're coming for you, Mike Lee. I think the line was, the bees are amassing, the stings are coming, and sure as shit, that's exactly what we did.
Brin (08:56)
Yes.
Aaron Murphy (09:01)
and let's not forget, I mean, the year started with Elon Musk and Doge, right? I mean, what they did is got public employees who serve on our public lands from the Park Service to the Forest Service to the Fish and Wildlife Service. And so that's how we started. And so you might be asking, you know, we're going after folks like Elon
Land Tawney (09:02)
Let's not forget. I mean the year started with Elon Musk and Doge, right? mean, what they did is got public employees who serve on our public lands from the Park Service to the Forest Service to the Fish and Wildlife Service. And so that's how we started. And so you might be asking, you know, we're going after folks like
Aaron Murphy (09:19)
the Trump administration, ⁓ Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, Agriculture Secretary, Brooke Rollins, Mike Lee, and a lot to unpack here. But I want to zoom out for a minute because
I want to make very clear we are not a partisan organization. Aha is nonpartisan, but it might sound like we're just picking a fight with one party, the one that's in power. ⁓ So let's walk through that a little bit. What do we do at American hunters and anglers? I'm going to kick it to you, ⁓ Lance, as co chair of this organization, especially answering the question, well, why are you guys just picking on the people?
Land Tawney (09:50)
⁓ especially answering the question, well, why are you guys just picking on the
people in power? I mean, we're picking on the people in power because they're the one that's making the decisions right now, right? And we're trying to make sure there's so much coming at us, right? We talked about the sale of public lands. You just talked about the, you know, the ⁓ doging, I would say, of our public land servants who are on the front lines of conservation. Those are all the federal employees that manage, help manage our public lands.
But there's so much coming at us every single day that here at
aha, American hunters and anglers, we're really trying to make sure that people know what's going on and then give them an opportunity to engage. And so right now, again, it happens to be Republicans that are in power, that are making these really dumb decisions and putting dumb ideas forward. And so we're letting the people know and they're responding to masses. And so that idea that we kind of...
shine light on things and then provide an easy opportunity for people to get involved, that's really like the heart of who we are. And you know, I kind of lament a little bit that we're on social media all the time, but I also know that that's where, you know, more than half the people in this country are taking their news from social media. And so you can either, you know, grouse about it, or you can actually get involved. And that's what we've done is get involved. And I think, you know, since we've started, God, we're up to 27,000, you know, like, like,
people that follow us on Instagram now, which is super awesome. And I only bring up that number, like, cause we first started, but those people are taking action every single time we ask them to do that. And so I think that is really at the heart of who we are. It's just grassroots kind of
Well, that's a really good opportunity to kick it back to you, Brynn, the social media wizard of our organization, the ninja herself.
Aaron Murphy (11:26)
Well, that's a really good opportunity to kick it back to you, Brynn, the social media wizard of our organization, the ninja herself. Brynn, what
should folks know about AHA and social media and making their voices heard as we fight this fight?
Brin (11:39)
Yeah, Lando, we're actually at 28.4K as of today.
Aaron Murphy (11:44)
Woo!
Barrett (11:45)
Yeah, baby
Land Tawney (11:46)
See it's just we're growing so fast I even missed it so thank you Brim for correcting me
Aaron Murphy (11:48)
Hahaha
Brin (11:49)
can't even keep track of it.
Barrett (11:49)
Hahaha
Brin (11:51)
It is exciting. mean, if you guys go to our channel, you might recognize a very handsome lumberjack man who jumped on board with us. this topic has exploded all over the country. everyone is saying, me and all my homies hate Mike Lee and making bumper stickers. And it's just a lot of fun to see. ⁓ But let's talk about what we're building on social and why it matters. American Hunters and Anglers isn't just showing up.
on your Instagram feed. We've been mentioned on the floor of the US Senate. We've had Lantani on major podcasts and quoted in national outlets. ⁓ But social media, you know, that's where you guys come in. That's where our whole community is together. We're building a fast, unapologetic voice online, calling out bad policy, sharing real stories from the field, and turning this community into a political force. So here are four things you can do right now if you want to help.
I know you do because you're listening. So the first thing is take your lawmakers in our posts. Make sure that they see exactly what they're messing with. This does get in front of them or it gets in front of their staff. And so make some noise online. Number two is go to their actual accounts and ask real questions. Even if the post is about their kids soccer game, like it doesn't matter. Public accountability does not clock out.
Number three make your own posts tell your story share your hunts. Let people know why this matters to you and for Like comment and share everything that you see online in this space, especially our videos Anything that you see anyone who is making noise
if you send a social signal whether that's commenting liking or ⁓ Sharing it. That's that's going to signal to the algorithm that
this video is important and the algorithm is then going to push it out more. So anything important like that, go crazy. And yeah, I don't know if you guys seen the Mike Lee mole rat meme that we've made?
Barrett (14:01)
You
Aaron Murphy (14:02)
Well, I happen to have it right here. Let's pull it up.
Barrett (14:06)
Hahaha
Brin (14:07)
So ugly. It's so ugly.
Aaron Murphy (14:08)
So not every organization will will
take a US senator and put him on a on the image of a mole rat for folks who are just listening this podcast But that's what we've done ⁓ Because Mike Lee and our eyes is public enemy number one at least when it comes to public lands water and wildlife The guy hates all of them. So to be clear Mike Lee is the senior senator US senator from Utah. He's a Republican and Barrett
Land Tawney (14:25)
water and wildlife. The guy hates all of them. So to be clear, Mike Lee is a senior senator, US Senator from Utah. He's a Republican.
Barrett (14:27)
Yep.
Aaron Murphy (14:37)
Mike Lee, where do we start?
Barrett (14:39)
Gosh, I mean I just Before we get there. I just wanted to go back to to what you had just said about you know The fact that that aha is willing to do stuff like this right and completely clown the United States senator We're willing to speak truth to power This is what makes us different from literally every other hunting and fishing advocacy organization in the United States of
You know, we don't have a big, you know board of directors. We don't have corporate sponsors
You know, we just don't give a shit. It's like we're like the honey badger of you know, the public land space ⁓ and and and we also Are utilizing these new school tools. So Bryn just went through The importance of social media and how people can actually get engaged ⁓ Gone are the days where people used to sit around radios and watch the local TV news, right? And so
One of the most powerful things that we have now ⁓ is the ability to get in front of these lawmakers on their social media pages. It's literally like a town hall meeting where you're able to ask questions, make comments in front of the world, and it holds them accountable. So I just wanted to reemphasize that. But Mike Lee is just like this guy who has this thing out for public lands and has for a long time. And he saw a moment and an opportunity to bring this vision of his that
know, three million acres to be completely sold off. essentially that's just, you know, ⁓ selling off our public lands to make other people rich. And if you look at all the things that are happening with this administration and this Congress, I mean, it all boils down to one primary motive, and that is greed. And we, the average Americans, aren't going to see a single penny of that. And furthermore, we're probably going to get left holding the bag once
Brin (16:11)
Yeah.
Barrett (16:29)
They make all their money, know, and they take off on their yacht, right? So anyway, know, Mike Lee has got to be held accountable. I think in my mind, in my heart, that he's coming back. So we got to be ready. We have to stay vigilant ⁓ and be ready for these public land sales. The other thing is they're getting more sneaky about, you know, what they're trying to do. And they're putting little provisions here and chipping away. And Len, I want to toss it to you because I think that, you you have a pretty
Brin (16:34)
Yeah.
Land Tawney (16:36)
know, Mike Lee has got to be held accountable. I think in my mind, in my heart, that he's coming back. So we got to be ready. We have to stay vigilant and be ready for these public land sales. The other thing is they're getting more.
Barrett (16:58)
pretty good perspective on what we think their playbook is with regard to dismantling, etc. Why you go through that and explain that.
Land Tawney (17:02)
dismantling, etc. Why don't you go through that and explain
that? Yeah, you know, I think, just before I do that, Mike Lee,
you know, one of the reasons why we're making him, you know, put his head on a naked mole rat is because we want to ostracize him and make it just like that. Nobody else wants to work with him. You know, he is the chair of the Energy and Natural Resources, Energy and Natural Resources Committee in the Senate. It's very powerful position on public lands. And we want to make sure that everybody's like, ooh, hot stove. I want to get away from Mike Lee because he is so toxic.
Brin (17:15)
You
Aaron Murphy (17:20)
Right, right. Powerful position. Yep.
Land Tawney (17:30)
which he's doing all on his own, we're just making sure that people see that. And so I guess I would look at this in kind of three ways. And the first one would be defund our public lands and public waters, dismantle our public lands and our public waters, and then ultimately ⁓ divest, which is a fancy word for sell it the fuck off, right? And like they're doing all these things to break the system and say, see, we can't manage these lands. We might as well privatize them. And so that is the playbook. And I would say that under the,
Barrett (17:51)
Yep. Yep.
Land Tawney (17:59)
dismantle, let's start with that. I mean, we've already talked about the dozing of our public workforce is that, you know, these land public land management agencies were already understaffed. Let's just think about that. They're already understaffed. Now they've been cut 25%. There's the shutdown that's going on right now and potentially another 10 % on top of that. So 35 % of the workforce is gone. That's more than one in three, right? And so like that is a big cut. So that's dismantling. Another piece of dismantling would be
what they've done to the roadless rule, right? They're talking about just taking the roadless rule away. And so they can go put roads in a place, you know, where there hasn't been roads. It's amazing security habitat for elk. It's awesome for fish and fish habitat in particular. And we can't pay for the roads that we have right now. And so that one makes no sense. So they're trying to dismantle. I would say, you know, we're gonna talk about the boundary waters here in a little bit, but even like this Ambler road that's up in Alaska.
Like they're trying basically to just kind of defile our public land. So again, that we all don't want it and that we want to divest it. Then you get into defunding and defunding, know, not only were these public land agencies understaffed, but they've been underfunded. And that's not just Republican administrations. For the last couple of decades, we have not prioritized our public land management agencies. And so the funding has been going down. Now with the proposal that the president has put forward,
And that is not, you know, coming to law, thank goodness yet, but he's talking about 35 % cuts there. And so you're taking away the workforce, you're taking away the funding, all again, leading to the divestiture. Barrett, and we've all talked about kind of what Mike Lee did, but when he got this pushback and he kind of did put his tail between his legs, but then he also said on the tail end of that, I'm not done, right? And so when he says I'm not done and he's the most powerful person like around public lands pretty much in the Senate,
Barrett (19:50)
Yeah. Yep.
Brin (19:50)
Right.
Land Tawney (19:56)
Like you gotta know it's coming back and so we have to stay
Aaron Murphy (19:59)
Yeah.
Barrett (19:59)
That's right. ⁓
Brin (20:00)
He's the poop
that won't flush.
Land Tawney (20:02)
⁓ Nice one, Fred.
Aaron Murphy (20:03)
Well,
Brin (20:04)
Sorry, that's disgusting. ⁓
Aaron Murphy (20:05)
even the former Interior
Land Tawney (20:05)
Even the former
Interior Secretary, so Ryan Zinke, now a Congressman for Montana, but he was on a podcast a couple days ago and said as much. He said, Mike Lee isn't done. And that's coming from a fellow Republican. so, you know, guy who knows exactly what's happening. Gang, I want to pivot us a little bit here and start to zoom in on a couple places that are really important to our work. ⁓ And I want to set this up by playing another video from land, and then we'll talk about it here on the
Aaron Murphy (20:06)
Secretary, so Ryan Zinke, now a congressman for Montana, but he was on a podcast a couple days ago and said as much. He said, Mike Lee isn't done. And that's coming from a fellow Republican. so, ⁓ you know, guy who knows exactly what's happening. ⁓ Gang, I want to pivot us a little bit here and start to zoom in on a couple places that are really important to our work. ⁓ And I want to set this up by playing another video from land and then we'll
Barrett (20:14)
Yeah.
Aaron Murphy (20:33)
we'll talk about it here on the other side.
So, Land, you just got back from there and I know you brought with you a bag of wild rice. But tell us more importantly, what did you learn?
Land Tawney (21:34)
So good. So, Land, you just got back from there and I know you brought with you a bag of wild rice. But tell us more importantly, what did
Brin (21:34)
So good. I wish I was there.
Barrett (21:35)
Yeah ⁓
Land Tawney (21:46)
you learn? You know, I think that this is my fourth time now up to the Boundary Waters and my first time I got to go there in the winter and we went in there on sled dogs, which was absolutely amazing. Those portages, know, on the wide open lake,
Barrett (21:55)
Yeah.
Land Tawney (21:58)
it's not that exciting when you get to those portages and those dogs know where they're going and you got to kind of move the, ⁓ the
sled behind them around. you know, being my fourth time and like even if you've never been there, this place is just absolutely special. And when you think about Minnesota, the land of 10,000 lakes, I think it's actually 30,000 lakes, but this boundary waters in northern Minnesota is the absolute gem of that entire lake system, right? And it's, that's you.
see it in there, you can drink right out of the lake, which is absolutely amazing. And I've done that, not in the front lakes, but in the lakes in behind. You know, can fish and hunt grouse in the same day, but it's the most visited wilderness in particular because it's so easy to access. You know, here in Montana, my favorite wilderness is the Bob Marshall, but you got to go up a huge ridge, like 2000 feet of elevation before you can get in. The boundary waters, you get on a lake and you basically are in the wilderness. And it's just this place.
And whether you hunt or you fish or you just like to paddle, you just like to get out, like it's just such a special place. the thought of putting a mine a quarter mile south where all that water flows north into the Hudson Bay, right? So it goes, you know, it starts in the United States and it goes into Canada and goes up to Hudson Bay. Like it just makes no dang sense. And to me, you know, one of the reasons why they're trying to do this is that if they can do it here, they can do it anywhere, right? That this is...
Barrett (23:15)
and
you
Brin (23:24)
Right.
Land Tawney (23:24)
one
of the crown jewels of our entire public land system. And so why are they doing this? One, it's for, know, that said in this video, but it's a billionaire from Chile that is like proposing this. And then at the same time, you know, they're going to ship this or most likely over to China. Like it just makes no dang sense. like, and again, it's so that if they can do it here, they can do it anywhere.
Barrett (23:26)
Yep.
Aaron Murphy (23:48)
Right. And I want to note that there is a member of Congress representative Pete Stauber, who's represents Minnesota's eighth district. He included language in the so-called big, beautiful bill to approve this mine, but it was dropped from the Senate version. So they're still going after it. Now, both Brooke Rollins, again, secretary of agriculture, she's involved because the agriculture department oversees the U S forest service.
Land Tawney (23:51)
a member of Congress, Representative Pete Stauber, who represents Minnesota's 8th District. He included language in the so-called Big Beautiful bill to approve this.
was dropped from the Senate version so they're still going after it now both Brooke Rollins again secretary of agriculture she's involved because the agriculture department oversees the US Forest
Aaron Murphy (24:12)
And then also Doug Burgum, the interior secretary who oversees the minerals under the surface of that.
Land Tawney (24:12)
and then also Doug Burgum the Interior Secretary who oversees the minerals under the surface
of that so they're trying to use secretarial order now to fast-track this mine and I want to unpack this just a little more because we have receipts right this Chilean billionaire ⁓ is a guy named Androchino Luksic ⁓ one of the world's wealthiest
Aaron Murphy (24:17)
So they're trying to use secretarial order now to fast track this mine. And I want to unpack this just a little more because we have receipts, right? This Chilean billionaire ⁓ is a guy named Androchino Lukcic, ⁓ one of the world's wealthiest men.
Land Tawney (24:31)
and in 2016 in December right after Trump won his first term in the presidency, Lukasik bought a five and a half million dollar mansion in the ⁓ Calorama district of
Aaron Murphy (24:32)
And in 2016, in December, right after Trump won his first term in the presidency, Lukcic bought a five and a half million dollar mansion in the ⁓ Calorama district of Washington, DC, a very hoity toity neighborhood.
And he turned right around and rented that mansion to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump for a monthly rate that was a lot lower than they were anticipating on spending in DC. So all sorts of questions being asked. And again, this Chilean conglomerate, it's called Antofagasta, which oversees the Twin Metals mine, has spent $450 million lobbying Congress to get this mine approved. yeah, it's insane.
Barrett (24:55)
You
my god. It's obscene. It's obscene.
Brin (25:16)
It's enraging.
Aaron Murphy (25:16)
so what what can what
Land Tawney (25:16)
So what
Aaron Murphy (25:17)
can folks do
Land Tawney (25:17)
can folks do, Eric? I mean, again, we have to fight back. In life, you try or do nothing, and we choose to try. And so whether or not you have the occasion to do
Barrett (25:20)
I mean, again, we have to fight back. In life, you try or do nothing, and we choose to try, right? And so whether or not you have the occasion to go to the Boundary Waters,
if you ever want to go there, I think that Lance point earlier ⁓ was that if they can do this kind of thing in a place like the Boundary Waters, places
Alaska, they really can start to do this in your backyard. And so ⁓ it's about making our voices heard and keeping them accountable and digging in.
But Murph, I thought you did a really nice job there of kind of drilling into this just a little bit more to make sure people understand the connections here. I mean, that whole like, you know, renting the mansion to Ivanka and Jared for a song, it just fucking stinks, right? And so we have to call that out, ⁓ but also there's opportunities. So I mean, maybe Land, after this latest trip, you came away with some additional insights on what specifically folks can do. But, you know, my sense is that we just keep hammering it.
Brin (26:04)
Yeah.
Land Tawney (26:17)
My sense is that we just keep hammering
Barrett (26:18)
We just keep pushing, keep pushing.
Land Tawney (26:19)
it. We just keep pushing, keep pushing. Yeah, I think it stinks like a swamp, right? And if that's what you voted for and you didn't sign...
Aaron Murphy (26:21)
Yeah, well, it stinks like a swamp, right? And if you if that's what you voted for and you didn't sign up for
Barrett (26:23)
Yeah
Aaron Murphy (26:27)
selling off some of the coolest place in the world to visit and explore and take your family ⁓ so that a Chilean billionaire can make more money. ⁓ I mean, that's elections have consequences, right? Let's let's talk about Alaska a little bit. I know that's kind of a hard shift, but really comparable because there's another foreign owned
mining company called Trilogy Metals. It's based in Vancouver, BC. ⁓ And I'm going to set up this with another video from land just because he's does such a nice job at encapsulating what the issue is. But let's watch this one really quickly. And we'll take it on the other side.
Land Tawney (26:50)
called Trilogy
Barrett (27:22)
Okay.
no. That's right. Hell no to the shit burger.
Aaron Murphy (28:16)
no.
Land Tawney (28:16)
Hell no. Hell no to the shit burger.
Brin (28:16)
Yeah!
Land Tawney (28:20)
You know, it's, it's, yeah, I this, you know, we, can see kind of some of the imagery in the, in the video, but I'll just say that like, this is one of the last like big caribou herds in the entire world that still migrates.
Aaron Murphy (28:21)
⁓ Land.
Brin (28:21)
Hahaha
Land Tawney (28:37)
This road goes right through the middle of their habitats, right on the edge of the Brooks range where there's, you know, a bunch of sheep up in that Brooks range.
Then you have this road is gonna cross 11 rivers and 3000 streams, 3000 streams, right? And so that this is going to create, you know, just havoc for salmon populations in particular. And the last thing I guess I would say about this is that this is an industrial road. This is not hunter and angler access. Some people are like, hey man, I'm gonna be able to get in there and hunt and fish now, even though it's gonna be messed up. But.
Barrett (29:09)
And...
Land Tawney (29:12)
It's actually only for industrial use. And so, you know, when you think about that piece and, know, it's going for this mine that's gonna, you know, I think it's like copper and nickel and then there's even some lead in there. Why are we even mining lead anymore in some ways? But, you know, it's gonna be at the expense of, you know, I think these opportunities and subsistence, you know, hunting for the native populations that are up there, the indigenous populations. And so it's just not a place, you know, especially again, I say it in the video for a foreign owned.
Barrett (29:24)
Eugh.
Land Tawney (29:41)
Mine like they're out of Canada like we're like we the people are getting screwed out of our minerals and these special places will never be the same and that's again why we say hell no
Barrett (29:46)
Yeah. Yeah.
And just, mean, hold up. So what you're telling me is that you are gonna send my taxpayer dollars to
a private, foreign-ly owned company in a different country so that they can completely pillage and plunder one of the most spectacular places on the planet? Fuck you.
Land Tawney (30:03)
country so that they can completely pillage and plunder one of the most spectacular places on the planet fuck
you
Aaron Murphy (30:12)
And by the way, bingo. Right.
Brin (30:12)
And you can't get that back once it's destroyed, you know? So people
Barrett (30:14)
Yeah, totally.
Aaron Murphy (30:16)
Right.
Brin (30:16)
don't understand this. It's like we have to give this land to the next generation, these memories, these opportunities to go outside. And they're being destroyed and taken away forever if these mines come in.
Barrett (30:30)
Well, and these areas are critically important to Alaskan natives, And subsistence, fishing and hunting and all of those things. And it's screwing them over as well.
Land Tawney (30:30)
Well, and this these areas are critically important to, you know, Alaskan natives, right? It's assistance, you know, fishing and hunting and all of those things. And, you know, it's screwing them over as
well. Yeah, I heard it. I heard it described as intergenerational theft. Right. Like we're stealing from the unborn like
Brin (30:47)
Mmm.
Land Tawney (30:49)
you know, the unborn generations
Brin (30:50)
Mmm, yeah.
Land Tawney (30:51)
right now, right? And it all is for, and Barrett you brought this up earlier, but this is all about greed. This is about a small amount of people making a shit ton of money and it's about the American people getting screwed.
Barrett (30:52)
Yeah.
Aaron Murphy (31:03)
Barrett, what's your nickname for Secretary Doug Burgum?
Land Tawney (31:04)
What's your nickname?
Barrett (31:06)
Ha ha ha! Doug hair helmet, Burgum? Ha ha ha
Aaron Murphy (31:09)
I know,
Brin (31:11)
You gotta get that middle finger in there.
Aaron Murphy (31:12)
Barrett was trying to describe this guy like, what kind of hairdo is that? Like Midwest hockey dad? Mullet? Anyway.
Barrett (31:16)
You
Land Tawney (31:19)
I mean, it's hard to
Barrett (31:20)
Nice.
Land Tawney (31:20)
talk about hairdos when we don't have the hair, but I... You know what, why did I take yours any day? Hey, Landon and are both in the handsome bald man's club, that's awful of That's a pretty strong, strong, strong say when you say handsome about me. I mean, think like, know, Doug Burgum,
Barrett (31:22)
Hey, hey, Landon and are both in the handsome bald man's club, so that's off limits.
Aaron Murphy (31:23)
You know what land I'd take yours any day.
Brin (31:31)
you
Aaron Murphy (31:33)
You
Land Tawney (31:38)
he always looks like he's like, you know, like he's got this thousand yard stare. It really doesn't like believe in what he's talking about. You know, I mean, I think...
You know, he talks about, you know, how amazing our national parks are. And at the same time he's cutting, you know, 25 % of their staff, they're about ready to cut another 10. Like the guy is just, he's going through these motions and he's like this puppet that people are talking, talking through him. But you can tell that he doesn't like really even know what he's talking about or is like being put up to this. And so, you know, it's our job and that's what we're doing at AHA is to really just shine a light on this and it'll make sure the American people know. And then
Brin (31:47)
Totally.
Barrett (31:59)
Yeah.
Yeah.
No. Yeah.
Land Tawney (32:15)
create opportunities for them to push back. And, you know, I think about these two minds where secretaries, you know, can either secretarial orders or what happened up in the, you know, in Alaska on the Ambly road, that was an executive order. How can we push back against this administration? It's really hard. Well, we can push back by letting our elected leaders, so our senators and our reps know because they need them for other policies that they want, right? Like they need all these senators, all these reps. And so those are the people that we need to be talking to, which we're doing.
Barrett (32:34)
Exactly.
Yep.
Land Tawney (32:43)
to push back against this administration.
Barrett (32:45)
100%. You know, I mean,
the whole building at the Department of Interior is run by lobbyists and special interests right now. And
we need to do is create a squeaky wheel amongst members of Congress so that they go to this administration and say, look, I'm hearing about this from my constituents. ⁓ And that's a really great way to push back. We call that a bank shot, right? So getting members of Congress to weigh in with the administration is highly effective. And going back to the social media tools that Bryn laid out, that's one way to do it.
Aaron Murphy (33:15)
Yeah, and I to be very clear. It's not like we're against look, look, we're citizens of America, we know that people need to mine for minerals. And we understand the need to responsibly log for us where it makes sense. ⁓ What we're saying is you can't just run roughshod over it, you have to have a public process, you have to have transparency, and you can't do it at the behest of these foreign owned companies. Again, with Doug Burgum's blank stare, he's not looking at this through the lens of
Land Tawney (33:19)
we know that people need to mine for minerals and we understand the need to responsibly log for us where it makes sense. ⁓ What we're saying is you can't just run roughshod over it. You have to have a public process. You have to have transparency and you can't do it at the behest of these foreign owned companies. Again, with Doug Burgum's blank stare, he's not looking at this through the lens of
Aaron Murphy (33:43)
protecting these resources for our kids and our grandkids. He's looking at
Land Tawney (33:43)
protecting these resources for our kids and our grandkids. He's
Aaron Murphy (33:46)
it through the lens of how can I make the most money for the guy I serve as the president, right? So that's the sort of thing that we want to really dial home. And the other thing that I would say is, you know, how many times do you talk about people about politics and they say, I hate politics. don't care. ⁓ well, you know, we're at a moment where especially if you hunt and fish and we're not just talking trophy elk hunters or blue
Land Tawney (33:51)
Right? So that's the sort of thing that we want to really.
Barrett (33:51)
Exactly.
Brin (34:01)
Yeah.
Aaron Murphy (34:10)
ribbon trout fishermen, we're talking everybody if you put a worm on a hook and a reservoir in the Midwest, and that's what you live for the weekend to do. We're talking to you this matters. We're looking at Army Corps of Engineers sites that have been closed by Elon Musk and Doge. By the way, Elon Musk doesn't get to pretend that didn't happen. We remember that and you have to remember it too. We need to now hold these people accountable. So now is the time for folks to say
Look, I don't really like politics, but I have to let my lawmakers know because that's the only way that you have power to undo this is by going to the ballot box and making this decision with your vote.
Land Tawney (34:42)
but I have to let my lawmakers know because that's the only way that you have power to undo this is by going to the ballot box and making this decision with your vote.
Barrett (34:53)
Totally. I love that Murph. Absolutely spot on. You know, and I just want to add one thing
Land Tawney (34:53)
Totally. I love that Murph. Absolutely spot on.
Barrett (34:57)
to that. I mean, if you are
a hunter and angler and you have access to private land, great. Awesome. Good for you. But most Americans don't. And the one thing about public lands ⁓ is that I call them the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how much money you have. It doesn't matter where you live, what kind of job you have, where your kids go to school. None of it. All you need to do.
is put gas in the truck and go out and use our public lands. And we're talking about generations of family memories. We're talking about people who just need to cut firewood to heat their homes. We're talking about the ability to fill your freezer and feed your family with organic, high-quality protein.
⁓ You know, the values of public lands, ⁓ it's just incredible. And wherever you are in the country, whether you're in California or on the East Coast or somewhere in between, this should matter to you because we only get one shot at this. And we are an inflection point in history right now. And so we need to use our voices collectively and push back.
Land Tawney (35:48)
you are in the country, whether you're in California or on the East Coast or somewhere in between, this should matter to you because we only get one shot at this and we are an inflection point in history right now and so we need to use our voices collectively and push
back. Barrett, you're right on the money there and I would say that you know let's put a number on that that's 640 million acres that belongs to everyone right? Anybody that's listening to this and so that means you
Barrett (36:15)
Yep. Yep.
Land Tawney (36:18)
You can go hunt, you can go fish, you can go pick huckleberries, you can ride your mountain bike, kayak, whatever that is. And let's say that you don't do any of those things. Let's talk about a couple other things. There's this $1.2 trillion, with a T, trillion dollar outdoor economy that goes along with our public lands, right? And so you might not even participate there, but that is sustainable and something that goes into our economy every single year. It's something we can have for generations to come. And so let's say you don't care about any of that.
How about clean air and clean water? We already talked about the boundary waters. mean, when you think about that line that whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting, it's because it's a finite resource. Water is a finite resource and clean cold water is gonna become more more important as we go forward. And so if you live in a big city and you need clean air and clean water, I mean, I was just in New York a few weeks ago, they get all their clean water from upstate. And it's some of the cleanest water in the entire country. New York City, right? This gigantic city has some of the cleanest water.
because of the public lands that are upstream from them. And so to me, those are the reasons to care about this. And I'll say one more thing is that, Theodore Roosevelt helps kind of set this public land estate into motion. And he did that when the timber barons in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming were kind of plundering and pillaging our public lands for timber. And he said, you know what?
let's still take timber off of our national forest, but let's do it for the most amount of people for the longest amount of time and the best use, right? That is that kind of idea of conservation. And right now, when you think about energy dominance, probably everybody that's been listening to this, you know, has heard at some level that the Trump administration or even Congress talk about energy dominance. That is not about conservation. That is about plundering and pillaging right now. And again, robbing those future generations of the resources that are, you know, really promise to them.
Barrett (37:49)
All right.
That's right.
Aaron Murphy (38:12)
he gang let's ⁓ let's open the mailbag brian i know you you track a lot of comments and emails and ⁓ posts online and let's kick it over to you that to get to some questions
Land Tawney (38:13)
Hey gang, let's ⁓ let's open the mailbag. Yeah, let's do it
Barrett (38:15)
All right, let's do it.
Brin (38:16)
⁓ it's mailbag
time.
Okay, we love the mailbag. So Lando, there was actually a question that came through and they were like, you know, a road isn't going to stop the animals from migrating in Alaska.
Land Tawney (38:35)
to stop the animals from migrating in Alaska. What
Brin (38:39)
What would you say to that?
Land Tawney (38:39)
would you say to that?
I mean, here's like, I think we all see pictures of, you know, either an elk crossing the road or a caribou crossing the road. And let's talk about elk first, right? Because I know them better, but elk, you know, they need their elk security and they really start that a mile away from a road. And so when you have a roaded system, you know, those elk are
You may see them once in a while, but they're trying to get as far as way as they can. So a good elk hunter will start, you know, a mile away from the nearest road. So the roadless road would be totally bad for elk. Now let's talk about this road up in Alaska. Again, you may see a caribou, but you're going right through the middle of their habitat. And this is an industrial road, which means that there's gonna be trucks on that all the time, let alone during the construction time. And so that's going to alter their migration routes, potentially even stop that.
And to me, know, again, this is just not a place to do that in particular. yeah, roads, you know, mean, sure, you're gonna see a caribou, you're gonna see a picture of a caribou on a road at some point that somebody's gonna put up there. But that's like one caribou that's like, I have no idea where I am or I got pushed into here. And it's a very fleeting thing. Those opportunities are not commiserate with actually what's going on.
Barrett (39:52)
But I thought it was a good question and appreciate whoever asked it because it gave us an opportunity to explain it.
Brin (39:53)
Awesome.
Land Tawney (39:54)
appreciate whoever asked it because it gave us an opportunity to explain
it. Thank you, BK.
Brin (39:58)
Totally.
And you guys, let it rip in our DMs or in our comments. We want to hear your questions. Here's another one. Can you drink the water out of the boundary waters?
Barrett (40:05)
Totally.
Land Tawney (40:11)
I mean, this is not a huge debate, right? And I think we've talked about this internally too. I've done it and I have not gotten sick. ⁓ I don't think I would do that in those first few lakes because of all, like there's still motorized use in there. Plus there's a lot more human activity and houses in those first few lakes. But once you get over that first portage and as long as you're drinking that water out of the middle of the lake, mean, I'm not gonna, we probably should put a disclaimer on this because I don't want anybody to get sick and then come back to.
Barrett (40:12)
Okay, co-
Brin (40:15)
You
Land Tawney (40:41)
aha and try to get some money from us by the way we don't have any money to give you but you can drink that water and it's cold and it's clean because of it you know it's literally a system that is untouched it is wilderness and so you know to me i think that's okay but you know others may have a different opinion okay next question don't drink it i look i'm not a doctor but i did say the holiday and express last night and i think i can tell you
Barrett (40:45)
Ha ha ha.
Brin (40:46)
Hahaha
Okay, next question.
Aaron Murphy (40:59)
No, don't drink it. ⁓
Barrett (41:01)
I mean, look, I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And I think I can tell you,
I probably wouldn't. But the point is, it's very, very clean. But maybe you would want to filter it or check in with your own personal health care provider.
Aaron Murphy (41:13)
It is.
Thanks, thanks lawyer Barrett.
Barrett (41:19)
haha
Brin (41:21)
Okay, next question. What are your thoughts on Michael Boren, new head of the Forest Service?
Land Tawney (41:24)
What are your thoughts on Michael Boren, new head?
Barrett (41:29)
Trail, Karen, baby, America's number one.
Brin (41:31)
That's America's number one trail, Karen. ⁓
Land Tawney (41:32)
America's number one trail Karen.
Brin (41:37)
If you guys haven't seen our video on Michael Boren, please go watch it because it's a work of art if I do say so myself. ⁓
Land Tawney (41:37)
You guys haven't seen our video.
Aaron Murphy (41:45)
Ha
Barrett (41:45)
It's amazing. This guy
is such a douchebag. Murph, can you explain who this guy is and why we think he's such a douchebag?
Aaron Murphy (41:52)
Yeah, so Michael Bourne is a very wealthy ⁓ individual who has a lot of keys to the castle, has been appointed by the administration, ⁓ and he had a ranch in Idaho, central Idaho, and was, ⁓ there's a huge story in this, several outlets, but primarily the New York Times broke this story where he tried to ⁓ harass and chase a trail crew ⁓ from the Forest Service on Forest Service land, our land.
I'm trying to chase away with a private helicopter by the way he went ahead and built a private airstrip on public land so this guy ⁓ we don't call him trail carrying cuz remain we call trail carrying because it is an asshole and he's entitled and not a household name unless you listen to this podcast and pay attention to us he should be he should be he is a modern day thief and a scumbag and so
Barrett (42:34)
Yeah, exactly.
Brin (42:34)
Yeah. And there's video.
Aaron Murphy (42:48)
He needs to be held accountable now that he works for us as a taxpayer-funded public servant.
Barrett (42:55)
Yes.
Land Tawney (42:55)
He's also you know, I this is he's a
He's multimillion, if not a billionaire, right? And he just doesn't play by the same rules that all of us do. And so when he sees a trail car out there, he gets in his helicopter and he goes and buzzes him. He's told not to build an airstrip, he does that. I think he built an illegal cabin too. Like he just, he's willing to pay the penalties and not play by the rules. And now he's the one in charge. And so this is just a preview. I mean, there are people chomping at the bit to get some of that 640 million acres that we all own.
because they want it for themselves and this is a perfect example of that and I love the number one trail carry because it fits him so well.
Barrett (43:33)
It sure does.
Brin (43:33)
God,
it really does. Too a T. Okay, next question. This one came in through Instagram. I teach a high school course called Conservation Civics. Why does their voice matter for public land?
Barrett (43:48)
Ooh, ooh, I love this one. I absolutely love this question because we are talking about young people, right? And this high school conservation civics class where this teacher is giving them an opportunity to learn about how to engage in public policy and hit us up on the DMs and ask us for our opinion, which means he's gonna go back to his class and tell him the answer to this question. So don't fuck it up, you guys, okay? So for me,
Aaron Murphy (43:50)
Good question.
Barrett (44:16)
For me, it's all about being an active and engaged citizen. And when I was young, I didn't care about anything. I was a huge fly fishing addict. I loved following the Grateful Dead. I was chasing girls. I didn't care about anything. And then somebody wanted to put a mine on my favorite river. And my girlfriend at the time said, well, if you love it so much, why wouldn't you become an active and engaged citizen? And it was in that moment where a spark lit off, turned into a 25-year career in advocating for public lands, public wildlife.
I will tell the young people in high school that your voice does matter and now you as the new generation can use all of these sweet tools that you know how to utilize a lot better than people in my generation to make your voices heard and put out really cool content and use the internet and use social media and podcasts and all these other things. But I love the question. I'm sorry I'm droning on about it but
Brin (44:50)
Hmm?
Barrett (45:09)
I hope that you tell those high school students that they can make a difference and that conservation policy could be a really cool and fun career for them.
Land Tawney (45:11)
that they can make a difference in that conservation policy could be a really cool fun career
Brin (45:17)
Absolutely. want to jump on. ⁓ Lando, you want to go ahead?
Land Tawney (45:17)
for them. I mean I guess I just would say that you know democracy is run by those who show up right and so you're either either at the table or you're on the menu and what that basically means is when you're at the table you might not win everything but you got to be up there because somebody else is trying to carve you out right and so like to me
you know, you got to use your voice because if you don't, it doesn't matter, right? Like your voice is not going to count. And so again, we're not gonna win them all, but man, get to the table.
Brin (45:43)
Right.
Yeah, our voice is so much more powerful than people realize. And we can get so loud together. And we've seen that with this whole Mike Lee situation and the 3.3 million acres. ⁓
I also want to say it's, yeah, there he is. So that's exactly what he looks like, by the way. ⁓ So if you are using your voice, I want you guys to realize that.
Barrett (46:01)
There he is!
Hahaha
Brin (46:12)
The way that you each individually speak as people and express yourselves, it really matters and it resonates with all kinds of people that might not pick up on that or feel like they're included in this conversation based on whatever, whoever is speaking about it. So your voice does matter. The way you talk, the way you express yourself matters. And so please do that and just pop off. That's what I have say. Here's another question. You guys ready?
Barrett (46:39)
Yeah, totally.
Land Tawney (46:41)
Let's do it.
Barrett (46:42)
Yes, let's do it.
Brin (46:43)
Okay,
so we got this comment. This is on Murph's video about Brian Head. It says, thank you for highlighting this. It is only the tip of the iceberg of public lands abuse in the Brian Head Dixie and F area. Murph, will you unravel this?
Aaron Murphy (47:03)
Yeah, this is an important issue because I think the ⁓ more we learn about this, I think the weirder it gets. And just to rewind a little bit, what happened was, I remember LAND sent this email about this hearing that was going to take place before the government shut down, and that hearing was canceled. And one of the bills that the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee was going to hear was something called the Bryan Head Town LAND Conveyance Act. Lo and behold, it is from our friend, Mike Lee.
Barrett (47:21)
Right.
Aaron Murphy (47:31)
So this bill just kind of, it piqued my interest because I was like, what the hell is Brian Head Land Town Conveyance? Well, turns out Brian Head is a name of a ski town in Southern Utah. And it sits right next to the Dixie National Forest. And Mike Lee and the other Senator from Utah, a guy named John Curtis was just elected, so I don't know if he knows what he's doing. So this is a Mike Lee bill. It essentially gives,
Barrett (47:54)
Mm-hmm.
Aaron Murphy (47:57)
24 acres of the Dixie National Forest which belongs to you and me and everybody else who's listening and just gives it to this resort town ⁓ for the bill says for a public works facility or Any other uses determined to be necessary by the town? Which means the town can do whatever it wants once it gets this land including sell it for profit All right, so there's nothing in this bill that says they can't do that ⁓ why?
There's no information about this bill. We found it. There has been a story that we worked with ⁓ E &E News to get reported, but a lot more questions than answers right now because what is the town going to do? 24 acres for a single building. I actually called the town manager and asked what the purpose was for and he said, well, we just need to meet a bigger place to park the snowplows and we don't know what else we're going to do with this land. Maybe a road later. Dude.
Barrett (48:28)
Ha
Land Tawney (48:38)
what is the town going to do, 24 acres for a single building. I actually called the town manager and asked what the purpose was for and he said.
Aaron Murphy (48:55)
there's a lot of questions that still need to be answered before you gift 24 acres of American public land to a pretty affluent ski community in Utah for nothing. It's not a trade, it's not a sale, it's a giveaway. So appreciate the person who asked that question, because you're right, there's more to look at. And we encourage you guys to look more into this bill. And if you happen to live in Utah, boy, it is time to ask Mike Lee if you
Land Tawney (48:57)
that still need to be answered before you gift 24 acres of American public land to a pretty affluent ski community in Utah for nothing. It's not a trade, it's not a sale, it's a giveaway. So appreciate the person who asked that question because you're right there.
Boy, it is time to ask Mike Lee if
you can find him not hiding somewhere or John Curtis or the Congresswoman who represents that district, Celeste Malloy. ⁓ She hasn't introduced a version of this bill in the House yet, but she probably will. So ask those people, but appreciate the question. And I'm looking at the time, guys, and we are at time already. So time flies when you're having fun. It's not quite a campfire, though.
Aaron Murphy (49:22)
can find him not hiding somewhere or john court curtis or the congresswoman who represents that districts last maloys he's ⁓ she doesn't hasn't introduced version of this bill in the house yet but she probably will so ask those people but appreciate the question and i'm looking at the time guys and we are at time already so time flies when you're having fun it's not quite a campfire though see
one in the background in barrett's cabin there ⁓ barrett hope you're staying warm
Barrett (49:48)
Hahaha
Aaron Murphy (49:51)
Bryn Land on behalf of all you guys, wanna say ⁓ thanks to everybody for listening to this. We're firing up this podcast with a little more regularity now ⁓ and hope to come at you with a lot more of these things. the meantime, ⁓ please follow us on social media. We are on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. Bryn, what am I missing?
Land Tawney (49:52)
land on behalf of all you guys I want to say ⁓ thanks to everybody for listening to this that we're firing up this podcast with a little more regularity now ⁓ and hope to come at you with a lot more of these things in the meantime please follow us on social media we are on Instagram
Brin (50:12)
We are also gonna be on YouTube a little bit, so we're starting to expand in that area. We've been on Twitter a little bit, but Twitter's not really like the scene, so... Yeah, but-
Land Tawney (50:13)
We are also Gonna be on YouTube a little bit. Yes. Yeah to expand in that area We've been on Twitter a little bit, but Twitter's not really like the scene. Yeah, don't fire. Yeah, but
Aaron Murphy (50:16)
Yes, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Twitter's a dumpster fire. Yeah.
Barrett (50:22)
Yep. Yep. But join
Land Tawney (50:24)
join
Barrett (50:25)
us. We ride at dawn, baby. Let's go.
Land Tawney (50:25)
us We ride it on baby. Let's go Go grass Go touch some
Aaron Murphy (50:27)
Yeah.
Brin (50:28)
Go touch some grass.
Barrett (50:29)
Go touch some grass.