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Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.
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Stacey
Candy.
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Speaker 1
A podcast about cults, crimes and killers.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Stacey/Dori
An unknown number. High school catfish on Netflix. One of the most surprising stories isn't about teenagers pretending to be someone else. The fake profile at the center of this case was created by someone much closer, and far more unexpected than anyone realized.
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Stacey/Dori
What started out as casual online messages grew into a complicated web of lies and manipulation, leaving real emotional consequences for the students involved.
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Stacey/Dori
This documentary shows how catfishing doesn't always come from the places you'd expect, and how devastating it can be when trust is broken in such a personal way.
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Stacey/Dori
Today we'll walk through how the deception unfolded, the impact it had, and what this story reveals about the hidden dangers of online identities.
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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.
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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.
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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.
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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.
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Speaker 1
May.
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Stacey/Dori
Oh my. Dun dun dun. This was, this was really intense. This one. I watched it twice in, like, a matter of a week. High school. Unknown caller. High school. Catfish on Netflix, as we said.
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Stacey/Dori
A catfishing story. This is our second catfishing. Catfishing episode. But this is a very, very, very different, different one. Dory, what are your thoughts about what we watched and how do you feel about it? It was really upsetting. Yeah. First of all, I just want to say, would you, whenever you finish, when we record our intro, right before we start talking about the, you know, the, the documentary that we watch every time Stacy and I do always in my mind.
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Stacey/Dori
And today I verbally said, dun dun dun, because I really feel especially for this one, it is a dunt dunt dunt dunt dunt da. Because it's crazy. It's insane. And and okay, so I so you know, we're all we all get on Netflix or Prime or you know Max whatever your two are now, it's HBO, whatever your choice platform choice is.
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Stacey/Dori
And I saw it come up like, on Netflix, but I didn't think, you know, whatever. I'm, you know, it didn't like, really hit me. And then somebody posted on social media about it and they had like a bit of a conversation about it. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I think I should watch it now. It's about kids. Like it's about like essentially it's about catfishing for kids.
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Stacey/Dori
That really started in junior high through like a little bit of high school. They were young. They still are young kids, right? I think it started when they were like this whole incident started what? When they were like 13, 14, something like that. And it was they were it was still going on when they were 15. This kind of constant messaging to both, both the girl and her boyfriend.
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Stacey/Dori
Yeah. So, Lauren. Yeah. So Lauren and Owen, right. Like they're the kids. Yes. But the reason, like I was saying, that just because, that's not normally my jam, like, I don't really. I'm not like, looking for, you know, a lot of, like, documentaries maybe about, like, you know, like adolescent teenagers. However, this was one of the most astonishing stories that I have ever seen.
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Stacey/Dori
And there will be spoilers, everybody, because let's just should we just, you know, well, reveal this. Well, because, after, you know, before you reveal that, remember that these text messages were extremely sexual in nature and almost written by it, almost written by another teenage they the way they were written. So like it was a teenager, you know, love to suck as fuck, you know, like, I think that, there's a psychosis with the person that was writing them or almost a character.
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Stacey/Dori
It was like, almost like a character that they were playing, or maybe another personality. Because when you find out who the person is, which I'm going to let you say in a second, it blows your mind, it blows your mind. And they interviewed every single kid that could have been there, could have seen her phone, knew her number, knew where she was, knew where Owen was nowhere.
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Stacey/Dori
Lauren was, And there was just. It was coming. The call was coming from inside the house.
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Speaker 2
You know, like what I was doing in class. I feel like.
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Speaker 3
Fucking trash, bitch, don't fucking wear leggings and no one wants to see your anorexic flat ass.
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Speaker 2
I would question what I wear to school, how I look, how's my hair? Definitely affected how I thought about myself.
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Speaker 3
You are worthless and mean nothing. You never have. Get a fucking life out of here. Oh, I will never look at you again or talk to you. You fucked his life up so bad. His family fucking hates you for it. And he will never in his life acknowledge you again. Get the fuck lost. Bitch is fucking done with you.
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Speaker 4
Lauren came home from school one day and she just had, like, this look on her face and attitude, and I'm like, what's going on? She's like, no, I just got this dumb tax at school.
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Speaker 2
I was just getting super frustrated with it. But mom was like, just ignore them. Obviously you're beautiful. Like she was just encouraging me to not read them.
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Speaker 5
I told her just to keep being her and just not even worry about anything, right? I didn't believe anybody would do anything harmful.
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Speaker 1
And then it started to get worse
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Unknown
You.
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Stacey/Dori
these are children that are 13, 14, 15 years old in this very small town in Michigan. 30 people in their class. And one day, the the the documentary centers around this, this girl named Lauren and her boyfriend Erwin, who had grown up with each other. They've known each other for years. They date.
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Stacey/Dori
But again, 30 people in their class. So like, everybody knows each other, and they start getting these text to both of them that are Stacy mentioned, like they sound like a kid, but they are vile. They are extremely sexually explicit. I mean, we're going to say some words here, but it's literally like, what is the one like my fingers in your pussy?
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Stacey/Dori
Like, it's like disgusting kind of stuff. Plus they start to as the texts go on, they start talking about killing the kids like you should kill yourselves.
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Speaker 3
To do. Kill yourself now, bitch.
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Speaker 3
His life would be better if he were dead.
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Speaker 2
When I first read the, I was, like, totally in shock in me. Definitely feel sad. I was in a bad mental state. This is getting bad.
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Speaker 3
There are some sick messages. Lauren needs to go kill herself. She shouldn't be alive. She
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Stacey/Dori
So, Stacy, I mean, here's the thing. Like, we've all gotten one of those random texts right in the middle of the night that's like, hey, you up from an unknown number, right?
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Stacey/Dori
And you're like, yeah, who is this? Like a booty call you like, but these were thousands of tax cut, like, every day. They said they'd get, what, like 40 to 50 to 40 to 50 texts. And there were about 700 pages of of, of, text messages that, that they had to go through. And there were, they were just, they were, they were disgusting.
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Stacey/Dori
They were weird. They were encouraging the breakup. They were. And they were driving these people crazy. Lauren and Owen and everyone around them, including their parents, including anybody else that was involved and like some of the kids in the school were like, we don't know what you're talking about, but they had to interview all these people to get through to who they actually was.
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Stacey/Dori
Dunt, dunt dunt dunt dunt dum. Well, wait, I just wanted to say one thing first. So also like, they have to get the school involved because this is literally harassment. Like they're getting these texts at all hours of the night. They just never stop. And they're to children. And the parents of both of the kids, you know, plead to the school for some help.
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Stacey/Dori
I have to say that, the principal seemed like cool and with it, but was like the super. But that's superintendent hello, media lover. Like hello. Like he what? Like they showed, like a little clip of him, I think, on the today show. Like he seemed a little cray to me. Right to you, I don't know, he was working.
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Stacey/Dori
He was working the camera. He was working it. Right? So. Okay, so I, I'm just going to say it. So I mean, you go through it's a quick hour and a half, you and and obviously when we bring the doctor out, I know he's going to have a lot of, I think we're both going to have a lot of questions for him because of the psyche of somebody that can do this.
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Stacey/Dori
Let's just, let's just reveal after years of looking to see who is doing this to the kids after bringing in the FBI, this went on for like two years after bringing in the FBI. It turns out it is the girl Lauren's mother.
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Speaker 1
The next thing I do is I take a look at the phone number that was sending these messages and try to determine what company owned this phone number. I do some research and found out that at least one of them came from pinger, some application that people use to disguise their phone number. I submit a search warrant to pinger, and they gave me two IP addresses that belong to a Verizon network.
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Speaker 1
So at this point, I submitted a search warrant to Verizon for information on these two IP addresses. Tuesday, May 23rd Verizon did send me the search warrant results back, and they gave me a several page document with what phone numbers were attached to these two IP addresses.
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Speaker 2
He called me one day and told me that they got the list of phone numbers from the IP address, and wanted me to give him any phone number from any possible
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Speaker 1
And then I found one phone number that kept coming up being connected to that IP address. At the time these messages were sent.
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Speaker 1
And the phone number was. Laurens. Mom. Kendra.
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Stacey/Dori
Yeah, the mother doing this nonstop bump. Bump? She's. I think my personal opinion, I don't know, like Stacey.
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Stacey/Dori
You tell me. But she seemed like she needed a lot of help and still does, and. Oh, yeah, I know, but I also want to say one thing. When I texted Stacey about this and we were going back and forth, I forgot the name of, It felt like Lauren, the girl I felt like she had, and Stacey came up with the word because I couldn't think of it was Stockholm Syndrome, because the way she talked about her mother after her mother was telling her to kill herself, constantly telling her she's an anorexic bitch, calling her all kinds of disgusting names, and she still stands for her mom and still speaks so highly over.
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Stacey/Dori
That's disgusting. And Stacey just showed her the cutest dog that she recently got. But Stacey, talk to me about the mother and the relationship with Lauren or Lowe as she is known. Lowe. You know, first of all, you know, you see the mother interviewed for the first hour and went in before you find out she does, you know, there was a little bit something off about her, but, you know, she's just a woman that is is upset, you know, and obviously feels emotional.
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Stacey/Dori
And Owen's mom is extremely upset. I mean, she feels betrayed. She feels deceived. She she just feel sick, you know? How do you how do you even take in and process this kind of a crime? And also the second thing is we were talking about Lauren's relationship. Lauren loves her mother. She loves her mother. And it was a very strange thing when they told the husband it was the mother and she was sitting in the chair, Lauren and the mother was standing up.
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Stacey/Dori
And then the mother starts hugging and embracing her daughter. And there's just this sick sort of like dysfunctional. Did they call it Cyber Munchausen? I think that wasn't that the, yeah. Was that the superintendent as well? The call? Yeah. I was like, is this a real thing? So that guy, that guy, you know, so our audience should know that Munchausen is when, you make yourself sick or make yourself injured for attention by proxy is when a person does it to you.
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Stacey/Dori
Most of the time, it happens to be a parent. Everybody knows Gypsy Rose, not Lee. The other one. Not let me entertain you, Gypsy Rose. So that that Munchausen by cyber Munchausen similar. It's like she wanted to make her feel as badly as she could so that she would come to her mother and she could support her.
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Stacey/Dori
And it was a cycle of sort of this abuse and then pulling and, you know, the mother pulling her in. Please forgive me. What is the mother's name again? I don't even remember. I just call her Lorraine. Lorraine. I didn't even put her name down because I don't know why. I didn't even want to give her the respect of the name.
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Stacey/Dori
I just kept saying, the mother. All right, let me tell you something, John. It's Kendra. Thank you. Kendra. So, John, you know we don't let him out of his whole life until we're ready for him. But he just informed us, Kendra, which is a cute, sweet name. So, Kendra, was it is is. I mean, it's, It's unexplainable.
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Stacey/Dori
Do you think we should. Let's talk. Let's just let's just also bring up two. There is the fact that, you know, they're all speculating why she would do this to her daughter. And one of the main reasons comes up is why is she infatuated with Owen? Kendra's boyfriend? Owen. Bingo. No. Lawrence. Boyfriend. Lawrence. I mean, Lawrence boyfriend. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Stacey/Dori
I know that Kendra just came up, but I like Kendrick. I know everything he just says is a lie. Yes. She lied to the family. She lied. She. The husband thought she was working for. She hasn't been working for King for years. And that's okay. So is she so sick that she really liked Lawrence Lo's boyfriend, this teenager?
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Stacey/Dori
He said she would cut his food for him if she would go to his baseball games. And. And even when they had broken up, she was always around. Okay, I think you were going to say it. I do think we should bring in the doctor, but do you think I mean, do you think that the mother, Kendra thought she was like a kid?
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Stacey/Dori
I think she was in. Yes. Infantilized. You know, like there was this infantilized version of mother of herself. Like I'm part of the kids. I'm a kid. Because even how she talks, she's like, got these black teeth and she's like, let them, you know, like, I mean, I was anorexic, I wasn't eating, so I called her anorexic, like, right
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Stacey/Dori
but she seemed she wore like like kind of like more younger clothes. Yes. She which is my like she wants to be one of the kids. Right. No. No judgment on who she. I mean judging.
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Stacey/Dori
Yes, but no, I'm not criticizing that that happened to her. But I just think that, you know, when your mother can step into the role of, of a of a of like a teen, there's something disturbed about her. So. And if your mother tells you to kill yourself, if your mother tells you you're an anorexic bitch, head for your house and over and over again.
00:19:02:09 - 00:19:16:14
Stacey/Dori
And then she says, oh, no, Lauren knows she's not. Lauren wouldn't do it. Lauren wouldn't kill herself. No. Yeah. All right, let's bring out. This is ripe for the doctor. We gotta bring in the doc. All right. Are we opening the door?
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Stacey/Dori
Not now. Not bad. Not doctor John.
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Dr. John
Oh, boy. It was getting warm in that room here today.
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Stacey/Dori
Sorry, sorry. We'll turn the air up.
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Stacey/Dori
So what are your thoughts?
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Dr. John
Well, first of all, my God, this is.
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Stacey/Dori
I know crazy I have.
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Dr. John
It is so sick. It's so evil. You know, I was, just praising both of you for picking this story because it it's just was shocking. And, you know, it's an incredible story. And also, I always like the comment and, the making of these documentaries. This was the closest one that would almost take our jobs away here, because I liked how they went into the backstory and the, you know, the unraveling of this crime, crime and emphasize, they really, gave us a little more meat than other, documentaries, but not enough as we will talk about, because I think we have some really good insights here as
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Dr. John
to what's behind this, this, horrible crime that was committed. And by the way, you both didn't mention. But I think it's worth mentioning another aspect of this, which different from remember our sweet Bobby, catfishing story, how nobody really had some dramatic consequences for what they did. This mom went away for 19 months to jail, and I was, like, almost applauding that when when the documentary mentioned that.
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Dr. John
So there was some justice, here. But, so that's my comments on the on the documentary. And since you revealed who the perpetrator was, I have to I took some pride in myself, and Stacy took a little bit of the wind out of my sails of this comment when I saw this Kendra online, I was saying to myself, there is something, you know, psychologically off with this woman.
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Dr. John
You know, there was just something that, had my psychologist tears, you know, radar up and true and true enough. It turns out that she was the, the the criminal behind all this. And I keep using that word. This is a horrible crime committed to to these kids, their friends who are accused at some point of being the perpetrators, especially this one, young lady, Chloe, who, held some parties that Lauren wasn't invited to, and they thought, okay, she's got an ax to grind.
00:22:11:19 - 00:22:44:21
Dr. John
And the the investigation focused on this Chloe for a while, and her parents were were just, also devastated. So, you know, it's another example to our audience that when these things happen, it's just not some little isolated family group that gets, victimized. It's it's a whole bunch of people that this spreads to. And so I thought you both did a great job of, of, of talking about that.
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Dr. John
But I also thought I wanted to get back to I think it was Stacy that brought up that scene where it the mother, the police came to the house and revealed that it was the mother, who was behind all this. I just thought there was such a powerful scene. I mean, it was like, oh my God.
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Dr. John
And another praise to these documentarians. The footage that they got, the live footage is unparalleled. They were there at the, at the, rambling of this thing and and they were they were live scenes. They were in there as the FBI investigated and dug into the numbers that, the phone numbers that were, the calls the Texas were emanating from, which is another cautionary tale to our audience.
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Dr. John
You know, if you're thinking of doing something like this, you can be found out. It may take a little bit, but you can be found. But a couple of comments I also had and I wondered, about both of your comments on why at the beginning when this started, why didn't these parents take these phones away and say, you know what your 13 years of age were giving you the privilege of these phones, but this is this is so crazy.
00:24:09:08 - 00:24:23:06
Dr. John
We're not just shutting them down like they did at some point, but just literally you can't have the phone this, this. That's what we'll stop this. Take the phone away, you know, don't I don't know what you think about that as well.
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Stacey/Dori
I don't think that that mother wanted her to get her phone taken away, because that would have taken away her fun, right? Right. I mean, not that not that she was having fun. I mean, she was obviously tormented. But how does somebody continue this on and see their child in so much pain unless they're really in what is the psychological situation?
00:24:42:09 - 00:25:10:09
Dr. John
Well, this clearly is a very disturbed woman, and I don't know if you want me to reveal at this early stage of our, broadcast here what I think is the key, which the documentary missed. You know that, as Dory pointed out, the superintendent, we agree, was kind of a, you know, publicity, hound. He came up with this cyber munchausen.
00:25:10:11 - 00:25:48:22
Dr. John
Oh. That's clever. And it it goes a little bit deeper than that. Sure, there's Munchausen aspects to this, but, you know, a Munchausen mom would have brought Lauren or Lowe into, psychiatric treatment and bring her in for evaluations. This is what Munchausen people do. They, you know, they they dawdle over the, child and, love the the medical attention and the professional attention that the child is getting.
00:25:48:24 - 00:26:12:16
Dr. John
So I think this goes much, much deeper than that, but I'm going to reserve that for a little bit because I think, the some more dramatic analysis. But this, this mom is, is very, very sick. And I think I have the, the Genesis or what we call etiology of what happened to her, that she turned this way.
00:26:12:22 - 00:26:19:05
Dr. John
But other questions before I get there, what are the questions? That you both have for me?
00:26:19:07 - 00:26:49:21
Stacey/Dori
What? So I think you had mentioned Chloe. I mean, I think what what was like, very sad to me was that these kids were interrogated. They were not believed sometimes. And it really impacted their lives. They're still young kids, I think, Owen's cousin Adriana. Right. They thought it was her for a while. Because she, you know, there was like more of a popular group and then she wasn't in that.
00:26:49:21 - 00:27:02:05
Stacey/Dori
So they thought maybe she was like getting back at them. But also Adriana was at the party, the Christmas party and could have seen she's the only kid that was at that party where she could have seen them. Right?
00:27:02:08 - 00:27:14:04
Stacey/Dori
So there was like a picture on Leo's phone from the perpetrator, from the quote unquote, right? Known caller. Yeah, right.
00:27:14:06 - 00:27:33:14
Dr. John
Or Lowell got a picture from the perpetrator. The one was doing all the Texas showing Owen's Christmas gift that he got on Christmas. And that's when things got kind of tight in the investigation. That's got to be somebody who was there and right.
00:27:33:16 - 00:27:53:23
Stacey/Dori
And Mariana, was it all coming from coming from inside the house. Yeah. But so I, I did have a question though about that. Like, because you know, Adriana, when she was interviewed for the documentary, she was obviously very affected by this whole thing, that they accused her of this and said that she really doesn't trust, you know, police.
00:27:54:00 - 00:28:14:05
Stacey/Dori
I don't think they they really didn't go into where these children you just brought this up, John, with, like, you know, that getting like some type of psychiatric help. It didn't go into if any of these kids have gotten any type of therapy whatsoever. And this sounds like this was traumatic for them for years.
00:28:14:07 - 00:28:46:02
Dr. John
It was one of my biggest concerns after watching the documentary. Is it where is the help for all these people? You know, they help for Lauren or Low? Kendra, there's no mention at all that, anybody got any psychological help? After all this. And certainly that help would have to go into, Adriana, Khloe, the parents involved.
00:28:46:04 - 00:29:09:02
Dr. John
I mean, this what I mean about this, this wide net that's cast by such, a crime that was committed to, these kids. These kids are devastated. Oh, and talked at the end. The boyfriend that was the the center of things talked at the end about how he's had a number of broken relationships because of this. And he'll never forget it.
00:29:09:02 - 00:29:15:14
Dr. John
And I'll never be the same, you know, which happens quite frequently in these cases.
00:29:15:16 - 00:29:39:13
Stacey/Dori
I think about, Lauren's reaction, her demeanor throughout the whole documentary and at the end where they disclose it is her mother doing it, and they obviously do a follow up, you know, after the whole thing went down. What do you think about how she reacted to everything?
00:29:39:15 - 00:30:05:20
Dr. John
I really thought both of you were taking my my role away from the Spanish. Yes, because I think you nailed it. And, you know, we can talk about this Munchausen thing and debunk the debunk. Debunk that. But I think you nailed the Stockholm syndrome. And you see this in kids. I have seen, you know, some of the kids that I've treated who have horrendous parents and have been abused by parents.
00:30:05:22 - 00:30:29:17
Dr. John
But then a couple of years after the epicenter of the abuse, they I want to have a relationship with my mom or my dad, you know, and because having a mom in my life is important and I don't really know why, but I want to and that comes from our socialization as people. You know, we get I think sometimes it's a myth.
00:30:29:17 - 00:30:53:09
Dr. John
We get brainwashed that while it's important to have a mommy and daddy in your life or grandma and grandpa and they might be the most horrible people in the whole world abused you, scarred you for life. One of the things that I work with people on in therapy is that if a person doesn't add to your life, what do you really need them in your life for?
00:30:53:09 - 00:31:23:20
Dr. John
This is not the way life should go. And I felt that for for Lauren is that while this is where she needs some some treatment, some good treatment is in, what does that look like to have this person in your life? And by the way, a note, which was very small in the documentary, but at the point of making the documentary, Kendra was not allowed to see Lauren, which was, I think, good.
00:31:23:22 - 00:31:24:08
Dr. John
You know.
00:31:24:08 - 00:31:26:17
Stacey/Dori
I do, too, because I was.
00:31:26:19 - 00:31:40:02
Dr. John
As Stacy pointed out, about that dramatic scene when everything was revealed and Kendra just kind of comes up and does almost an absolutely smothering hug to it was gross.
00:31:40:02 - 00:31:42:22
Stacey/Dori
It was really gross, bizarre.
00:31:42:24 - 00:32:10:21
Dr. John
And I and I also do agree with both of you, when you pointed out that Kendra was vicariously living as a teenager through all of this. Yeah. And and again, I like Doris, which I'm going to echo her caveat that, you know, we're not here to not how anybody looks or how they dress. But it was clear that Kendra, you know, she had Daisy Dukes, you know, a sleeveless top and, you know, etc..
00:32:10:21 - 00:32:22:22
Dr. John
She looked like she was trying to be a teenager. That's clearly part of her sickness, which I'm going to get to, you know, a cliffhanger here, in the. Yeah.
00:32:22:22 - 00:32:24:02
Stacey/Dori
I can't wait.
00:32:24:04 - 00:32:24:22
Dr. John
A few minutes.
00:32:24:22 - 00:32:43:15
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, I, I was just reading a little bit about it, online, just to get, like, to see where Lauren is now. She's 18. And she, you know, when they're no longer in contact and she's rebuilding a relationship with her dad. Sean. I mean, they're really working on their relationship, and she's trying to, like, move forward with her life.
00:32:43:15 - 00:32:57:14
Stacey/Dori
And, you know, without, you know, I don't know, with or without her mother. I mean, I think her mother, she and her mother aren't really in contact. And she's an only child, am I correct? Thanks. So I didn't show anybody else.
00:32:57:20 - 00:32:59:02
Dr. John
I didn't show any other.
00:32:59:03 - 00:33:22:24
Stacey/Dori
Right? I mean, if there was another kid, that would be weird, because I have a I have a question. I have a question. I'm no, you know, telecommunication technologist here. Can't you block a number? How did all those techs keep coming through? Constantly. I get it, you're supposed to get rid of the phone. They didn't do that.
00:33:23:00 - 00:33:29:02
Stacey/Dori
We all don't know why the parents do that, but can't you just block it?
00:33:29:04 - 00:33:55:03
Dr. John
I have an answer to that because I. I faced this in my career. As you all know, I deal with some very dangerous and and criminal people, and every once in a while, one of these bad people will get my, cell phone number, and I get, abusive calls. You know, you ruined my life. You put me away, blah, blah, blah.
00:33:55:05 - 00:34:24:03
Dr. John
And so here's the deal. On your cell phone. Your cell phone, you can block numbers on your cell phone, but drumroll, everyone. That's not enough. People can still get through. They can get through via text. They can send you texts, they can send you voicemails. But the call won't go through. So I discovered something. And this is a great tip for the audience.
00:34:24:05 - 00:34:49:10
Dr. John
I discovered something I have a, you know, it's not a big revelation. I have a T-Mobile, account and T-Mobile, and I'm sure all the carriers have this. It's called a family allowance. So it's not enough for you to go into your settings and block a number. Again, the call won't get through, but they can still text and leave a voicemail.
00:34:49:12 - 00:35:13:20
Dr. John
But call your carrier and say, in the case of T-Mobile, that's called the family allowance. And and they have the capacity to block everything. You will not get texts. You could voicemails, calls won't go through and dance the way to cleanly and in thoroughly block numbers.
00:35:13:22 - 00:35:24:07
Stacey/Dori
Great tip. I'm going to do that right after we stop recording this. Literally. I'm getting on it. I mean, these are hot takes from Doctor John tips and tricks.
00:35:24:07 - 00:35:54:05
Dr. John
Well, just explain I had I was plagued by a couple of them years ago and did everything and, and then and by the way, sometimes the first, customer service person you get on your carrier doesn't know what the hell they're, they're doing. That's another tip. So you gotta really insist. Yes, you have a mechanism to totally shut this down, and you might even reference if you're not an T-Mobile you can reference.
00:35:54:05 - 00:36:29:21
Dr. John
You know, T-Mobile calls it a family allowance. A funny name for this, but I think it was initially started because drum roll of kids, you know, and teenagers, playing around with things like that. So. Yeah. And, and another I think tip for parents is if you follow this story is horrible criminal texts were coming in. I, I would have taken those physically taken those phones away from the kids and say, this is your phone usage is inappropriate.
00:36:29:21 - 00:36:36:06
Dr. John
I'm sorry you're being victimized. I'm sorry you can't have a cell phone. But that would have shut this down.
00:36:36:08 - 00:36:43:08
Stacey/Dori
I mean, but how how are they going to do that when she was, you know, like, she could have had her phone and said, look at these texts that are coming in.
00:36:43:11 - 00:36:44:15
Dr. John
Right. In this case.
00:36:44:15 - 00:36:45:14
Stacey/Dori
It was, you know, because.
00:36:45:14 - 00:37:16:05
Dr. John
It was the mom doing it, right? No way she was going to physically take away the phone. But Owen's mom could have certainly taken away his phone and and helped shut this down. But I'm sure Kendra would have just found other excuses to send these vile, dangerous, texts to her daughter is as Dory pointed out, before I got to the green room, the mother was saying frequently, kill yourself.
00:37:16:07 - 00:37:42:09
Dr. John
You know, you don't deserve to be on this earth. Now's the time or will do it or will come after you. What horrible, horrible things to to say. And again, I'm I'm was applauding. But the judge they showed the court scene and the judge said, you know, this is this is beyond anything that I've seen in this a horrible crime.
00:37:42:15 - 00:37:45:17
Dr. John
You're getting the maximum that I can sentence you.
00:37:45:17 - 00:37:50:16
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:37:50:16 - 00:38:27:05
Stacey/Dori
Let's also, remember that tender the mother never, fully copped to starting this from the beginning. So the texts started, and maybe she, the mother, is claiming, oh, somebody else started the texting. Which is bullshit, as we all know. Did the the Lauren was being called low, and the mother called her low all the time. So it's definitely the mother from the beginning.
00:38:27:05 - 00:38:50:08
Stacey/Dori
I don't care who says what. It was. Definitely her. Agree I agree, yeah, we all agree. It's like, how did that help the situation? Yeah you they did. You can change. You didn't know and they didn't really like questioned her about that. But to have all that time on your hand she said I think and and John you can tell me if I'm wrong.
00:38:50:08 - 00:38:52:11
Stacey/Dori
She said like it got away from me.
00:38:56:06 - 00:39:21:24
Speaker 2
So the first text message started around Halloween. And did you send those text messages? No. Those ones I did not. It wasn't until. Way later. And so the messages kind of stopped for a little bit, and then they picked back up. In my mind, I'm like, how long do we let this go on? What do I do as a parent?
00:39:22:01 - 00:39:42:01
Speaker 2
Honestly, the best way would have been to stop it by shoving her cell phone down, right? But then I was like, well, why should she have to do that? You know, why should I have to get her a new cell phone like because of someone else's actions, right? I really wanted to get to the bottom of who it was.
00:39:42:01 - 00:39:50:19
Speaker 2
Right? And that's when I started sending the text messages to Lauren. And on.
00:39:50:21 - 00:40:18:22
Speaker 2
I was sending in the messages in hopes that maybe they would send me back asking, is this somebody or is this so-and-so? To just kind of give me something, right? And then also hoping that it was they maybe talked about the messages amongst like their friend groups and stuff, that something might come up that could help pinpoint, you know, where they were originating from.
00:40:18:24 - 00:40:52:02
Speaker 2
I started in the thought of we need some answers. And then I just. Kept going. It was a spiral, kind of a snowball effect. I don't think I knew how to stop. I was somebody different in those moments. I was in an awful place mentally. It was like I had a mask on or something. I don't even know who I was.
00:40:52:02 - 00:41:04:20
Speaker 2
sometimes it was an hour a day or eight hours a day. I let it consume me.
00:41:04:20 - 00:41:30:15
Stacey/Dori
first of all, there's no excuse for starting the texting, but then to send that many throughout the day for years, I think, John, you were, you know, kind of teasing what you think about Kendra, but I think this is a good time just to like, tell us, like, what type of a person is this who, who can do this for that long to their child?
00:41:30:21 - 00:41:40:00
Stacey/Dori
They live in a small community to me. And I'm, you know, like, I don't know what the diagnosis is. I would just say she's not.
00:41:40:02 - 00:42:17:04
Dr. John
Yeah, well, that's, you know, a clinical term that I often use. Yeah. Well, let me I, I'm really proud of our broadcasts because we really can dig deep and get behind what's happening here. And here we go. A very small for very. What should I say? Quick statement was made, by Kendra after the whole thing was revealed.
00:42:17:04 - 00:42:45:24
Dr. John
And, in fact, she was out of prison. She talked about being raped at 17. So the remind the audience, Kendra, the mom was raped when she was 17 years of age. When she said that, I was looking at her face and her expression, that was where the damage was done is she was she was raped. She was, you know, victimized.
00:42:45:24 - 00:43:14:23
Dr. John
It could have been brutal. I would have loved again. Here we are. You know, criticizing the documentary. But I would have loved if they went into, you know, how brutally she was raped. I got a feeling that she was brutally raped at 17. Which leads to what? I think she hated men. I think she hates men. When her daughter gets involved at, like, middle school with Owen.
00:43:15:00 - 00:43:43:09
Dr. John
And remember, they were called the Golden couple because it was so cute. Both athletes, good students, they were the golden couple at, Bill High School, I think it was. Or middle school. I think that anger and rage against the men came out. The other little tidbit that gave me evidence was when she talked about getting pregnant.
00:43:43:11 - 00:44:12:13
Dr. John
And if you recall how she talked about getting burnt. Well, when you don't have much in your life. And I think she even said something to the effect of me, help me here. Like, you know, I'm kind of there is no love and affection in my marriage, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but. And then I get this wonderful gift of a child, you know, etc. so that means, again, let's go back to the rape.
00:44:12:15 - 00:44:40:16
Dr. John
So this was not a marital relationship that was loving and could repair what happened to her from a man. And I think the epicenter of what's going on here is that she didn't want her daughter to have any involvement with, a man, a guy, whether it be Owen, etc., because she was so angry at men, hates men, and dance or violence.
00:44:40:16 - 00:44:50:24
Dr. John
And that's why the strength of it. That's why the, you know, 40 some texts a day, etc., is that anger and rage against men?
00:44:51:01 - 00:45:20:20
Stacey/Dori
What about so then what about the infatuated, the alleged infatuation with Owen? If she if she hates men? And I know Owen was a child at that time, but do you think it has to do with then the 17 and kind of like being infatuated with like Hilda and like and also to John with her husband. I mean, she I guess they seem to have a decent relationship.
00:45:20:22 - 00:45:24:14
Stacey/Dori
I don't know, I saw the unknown callers.
00:45:24:16 - 00:45:26:04
Dr. John
Let me interrupt. Dory.
00:45:26:07 - 00:45:27:00
Stacey/Dori
You don't think so?
00:45:27:00 - 00:45:40:02
Dr. John
I don't I don't think they have an idyllic, you know, relationship. I think it was very distant all the, images and even the live video of them together was very kind of.
00:45:40:03 - 00:45:58:03
Stacey/Dori
Well, no, but from the beginning, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, if she if she really, like, really does not like men because I like the theory, like I'm into it. I'm just curious, like, then why would she be so obsessed with a 14 year old boy?
00:45:58:03 - 00:46:12:00
Dr. John
I don't think it was obsession. I think that was a misleading part of the documentary. Here's what would operate. You know what we're talking about audiences that there was this one little statement made that she was so,
00:46:12:00 - 00:46:22:18
Dr. John
daunting over Owen, that she would cut his meat when he was over at their house, and she was always at his game, or she was at the games because she was at all the games in the high school.
00:46:22:18 - 00:46:38:24
Dr. John
She was the scorekeeper. She was, a coach. So the being at the games and watching Owen wasn't as important. And I don't think there was obsession this whole take a look at cutting meat. What is it? That's
00:46:38:24 - 00:46:45:18
Dr. John
infantilizing. But, Prince again hates men, not little boys.
00:46:45:20 - 00:47:08:22
Dr. John
Hates men. So I'm going to treat a woman like a little, you know, a little boy. And he's his little friend. A little, you know, playmate and friend of Lauren. But when it got more serious, they get in the high school. They're the golden couple. She's in a beautiful prom kind of dress. He's in a nice suit with a boot near.
00:47:08:24 - 00:47:15:15
Dr. John
Now it's getting to be dating in more adult length. That's when. That's when the tech start.
00:47:17:08 - 00:47:31:08
Speaker 2
How's the happy couple preparing for the end of the gold and relationship? We hear about how you are the forever couple.
00:47:31:10 - 00:47:40:02
Speaker 2
Oh, loves me. And I will always be the girl he loves. He will be with me. Only ugly ass is an arm.
00:47:40:04 - 00:47:49:07
Speaker 1
It seemed like the text messages were trying to break me in the wind up. I knew it wasn't somebody I knew, because I would have had their phone number saved in my phone.
00:47:49:09 - 00:47:58:15
Speaker 3
There was no reason for it. You know, like the first text was for the Halloween party. Like this just happened. And then we got more.
00:47:58:17 - 00:48:12:24
Speaker 1
I wanted them to answer the phone so we could maybe figure out who was, but it would just text us right after we called them. They would never answer the phone, but lo.
00:48:12:24 - 00:48:16:13
Speaker 2
Stop fucking Colin! Ian! Answer me!
00:48:17:10 - 00:48:37:14
Dr. John
He's a little boy and I can, infantilized him and cut his little meat and little, little playmates. And they have little birthday parties together. You know, that's okay with Kendra out of her sickness, he becomes a man. Boom. And that's when the file, tech started.
00:48:37:14 - 00:48:47:13
Dr. John
You know, I'm gonna put my finger in your pussy and all this kind of stuff, and, he becomes a man, therefore an object of hatred. Boom.
00:48:47:13 - 00:48:52:14
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:48:52:14 - 00:48:54:20
Stacey/Dori
I don't even know if I have anything left to say.
00:48:54:22 - 00:48:58:14
Dr. John
It, it you know it. It's an incredible story.
00:48:58:14 - 00:49:00:07
Stacey/Dori
And it is.
00:49:00:09 - 00:49:24:14
Dr. John
So many lessons for the audience. I mean, if you have kids, here's another thing. We both, all of us didn't say, on to your kids, phones and texting, and you're going to give them a phone. You're going to give them a phone in middle school. Make sure you you check what's on their phones periodically.
00:49:24:16 - 00:49:51:05
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. I mean, I know my son isn't going to listen, so I can tell you that I listed I read his phone every single morning before he woke up. My daughter's is not as accessible. But I'm with her all the time, so I see what she's doing. But it's great you got to read these phones because the things, first of all, the lingo is very dense.
00:49:51:07 - 00:49:53:21
Stacey/Dori
Really different than we used to talk, you know?
00:49:54:03 - 00:50:16:20
Stacey/Dori
So there's there's some stuff that you kind of have to, like, sift through, you know. You know. But I knew what he was doing I mean sorry, that's the that's what you got. And I track my kids on the phone to see where they are all the time. I'm constantly looking at it, but.
00:50:16:22 - 00:50:17:09
Dr. John
You know.
00:50:17:10 - 00:50:42:03
Stacey/Dori
I don't know. I mean, I guess I, I guess it doesn't have to be, but I need to for my own. I wonder if it's because it's a small town versus like, we live in a larger, you know. Yeah, yeah, more urban or even a larger rural area. I wonder if it was kind of like because it was such a small town and everybody knows everybody like, oh, we'll give them phones.
00:50:42:03 - 00:50:53:22
Stacey/Dori
Oh, it's not a big deal if they have their phones when they're getting 50 disgusting messages, text messages a day. If they didn't want to change, they didn't want to change their kids numbers. Remember that?
00:50:53:24 - 00:50:54:24
Dr. John
Yeah.
00:50:55:01 - 00:51:02:16
Stacey/Dori
Like in a you know, even if they did, it would have been figured out because it was the mother. But still, like it was just a very strange.
00:51:02:18 - 00:51:31:05
Dr. John
Well, there's a lot of mistakes made here by the parents. And again, if they were getting help from somebody, I'm pointing fingers at myself right now. If they were getting help from some top professional, they would have been guided into things such as, like I heard, mentioned earlier, taking away physically those phones because drum roll audience phones are still a privilege in kids lives.
00:51:31:05 - 00:51:51:04
Dr. John
They're not a necessity. And I deal with this all the time in my practice where when I say that parents school, you know, but I need to communicate, I need to know when to, you know, pick them up from school. No, no. If you really get to the fundamentals and the root of things, phones are a privilege in a child's life.
00:51:51:06 - 00:52:06:19
Dr. John
And that's where I. Oh, oh, by the way, I have to mention the, you know, our media star, the superintendent going, well, you know, our policy at the school is not to restrict phones during the school day because you know what? I need my phone. Although I.
00:52:06:19 - 00:52:08:17
Stacey/Dori
Work, I work from my phone.
00:52:08:21 - 00:52:10:18
Dr. John
A little office. It's my little office.
00:52:10:19 - 00:52:11:20
Stacey/Dori
My little office.
00:52:11:20 - 00:52:17:06
Dr. John
These are freaking teenagers. They don't need little offices lying around school all day.
00:52:17:08 - 00:52:22:11
Stacey/Dori
Students have to put their phone in a basket in like a shoe, saying they want little things.
00:52:22:11 - 00:52:31:12
Dr. John
Around the country. Now that that's happening and I'm, I applaud it. I don't think phones have a place during school hours.
00:52:31:14 - 00:52:44:17
Stacey/Dori
And remember, we couldn't contact our parents during school. Now we get text messages the nurse would call or the principal like somebody like, yes, we never could contact one another. No. Yeah.
00:52:44:19 - 00:52:45:13
Dr. John
Are you.
00:52:45:15 - 00:52:45:21
Stacey/Dori
In the.
00:52:45:21 - 00:52:46:16
Dr. John
Principal's.
00:52:46:16 - 00:52:50:11
Stacey/Dori
Office? How did we do? How do we say have you stay alive?
00:52:50:13 - 00:52:58:20
Dr. John
Thanks for taking. You know, restricting kids phones throughout the day is not going to take away their ability to contact their parents. You know.
00:52:59:00 - 00:52:59:20
Stacey/Dori
That's true, though.
00:53:00:00 - 00:53:20:17
Dr. John
If I raise my hand, I got to call my mom, and I have diarrhea. I just shit in the seat, you know? Well, you miss the counselor's office, get your phone out of, hock and call your parents. But, yeah, phones shouldn't have a place in schools. I think that was another lesson that that is said here.
00:53:20:17 - 00:53:25:10
Stacey/Dori
I just kind of think we're beyond help with that. Like, I think it's already gone too far, so.
00:53:25:12 - 00:53:45:12
Dr. John
Well, again, there's a movement. I'm hearing it more and more that schools are, you know, collecting phones throughout the day. In fact, I am a teacher, that I know. And, you know, a part of the country, a different part of the country is, is it's kind of a pain in the ass. But I have to have a bag, and I collect all the kids phones.
00:53:45:13 - 00:53:46:10
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, it's a pain.
00:53:46:11 - 00:53:49:19
Dr. John
My ass. Per class, they're collecting phones.
00:53:49:19 - 00:53:58:09
Stacey/Dori
So you go to a concert and they get locked. You can't have access to your phone. It should be the same way in schools.
00:53:58:11 - 00:54:30:02
Dr. John
And the other thing I want to say about that, another huge cautionary note about this whole thing, and I think a mistake everybody made, whether it's Kendra who was involved, etc.. These people should have went more quickly to the police. It took them months of these vile, horrible messages, including the suicidal messages that kill yourself messages before they even got that.
00:54:30:04 - 00:55:00:18
Dr. John
Sheriff involved. The ladies and gentlemen, these kinds of things are happening. Go to the authorities. And it's not enough to go to the school principal and the superintendent. And as much as we're j. You know, chiding the, superintendent, they did vigorously investigate this, and they took it very seriously, which was good to, to see, you know, they didn't sit on it.
00:55:00:20 - 00:55:17:02
Dr. John
They were looking at video tapes, but it wasn't enough. And as a parent, I would have gone to the police much quicker than, you know, what happened here. So that's another advice to our audience.
00:55:17:04 - 00:55:29:19
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. I mean, I'm glad that I have a dog and not kids. I don't have to take my dog's phone away. Do you have your own dog? Besides, the fosters? No, just a foster dog.
00:55:29:19 - 00:55:32:12
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, we have pinky, pinky, mouse,
00:55:32:12 - 00:55:35:03
Stacey/Dori
I do, and she did not come with a phone.
00:55:35:09 - 00:55:52:17
Stacey/Dori
I'm so she didn't she didn't come on the phone. Now I'm so you know I, I find that when I'm trying to take some photos of my dog, she looks away. She's like a person. She's like, I don't want a phone in my face taking pictures of me at every second. I want to be a dog. She's a really cute dog.
00:55:52:19 - 00:55:54:23
Stacey/Dori
Thank you. Your dog is a dog.
00:55:55:00 - 00:56:01:08
Dr. John
Just for the audience sake. Stacy brought her dog to our broadcast room here.
00:56:02:06 - 00:56:09:06
Dr. John
You know, I will say that dog kind of needs some grooming. You know, that hair is all over the place. Is that how it's supposed to look like.
00:56:09:11 - 00:56:10:22
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. Like it put.
00:56:10:22 - 00:56:13:05
Dr. John
It's put on an electric and electric.
00:56:13:07 - 00:56:16:05
Stacey/Dori
Yeah. Yeah. Her hair is everywhere because I don't take care of her I.
00:56:16:07 - 00:56:18:17
Dr. John
Can't you just, you know, comb it down or something. There.
00:56:18:17 - 00:56:19:18
Stacey/Dori
Put a little foot.
00:56:19:20 - 00:56:22:21
Dr. John
How about some nice gel? Slick gel.
00:56:22:23 - 00:56:26:16
Stacey/Dori
Well, yeah. Like here.
00:56:26:18 - 00:56:30:02
Dr. John
Yeah. You know, her hair is just all wiring on all over the place.
00:56:30:02 - 00:56:32:18
Stacey/Dori
Yeah, she had a really hard go, but I.
00:56:32:18 - 00:56:38:06
Dr. John
Think she needs some professional grooming, you know, some some Revlon gel or whatever.
00:56:38:06 - 00:56:43:15
Stacey/Dori
You know, audience, this is Winnie, but I'm not giving you any more information on Winnie and who she is and where she's looking.
00:56:43:16 - 00:56:46:00
Dr. John
I think she'd look good with some fake eyelashes, too.
00:56:46:03 - 00:57:06:02
Stacey/Dori
Maybe I should get some. Yes. Today she did. You wait, I have a question. Did you, did you do any work? Because I did. And did you do any research on Kendra, the mother and what she's doing now? No, I did not do you. She's out of prison, right? No, right. She's out of prison. And I don't know where she was when she was doing those interviews.
00:57:06:02 - 00:57:08:13
Stacey/Dori
Like, was that her house?
00:57:08:15 - 00:57:12:00
Dr. John
That was a very nice looking. And it was a nice looking house compared.
00:57:12:02 - 00:57:15:08
Stacey/Dori
It was a really nice place. So it's probably the.
00:57:15:10 - 00:57:32:21
Dr. John
Probably the documentarians, you know, space or something like that. Yeah. Again, you know, we talked about it earlier in our broadcast here is that, you know, it's sad that we don't hear that these people are getting top professional help because. No, that's what's needed here, you know? Yeah.
00:57:32:21 - 00:57:51:09
Stacey/Dori
I mean, you know, this woman, you know, with some treatment could live, you know, an okay life moving forward, you know, and maybe she can rebuild, but she needs to come to terms with. And it's said. And one of the things I read about her, that she. It took her a while to, to accept what she did and to understand it.
00:57:51:09 - 00:57:59:03
Stacey/Dori
And I don't even think she's processed at all yet, because when you're in prison, I don't think they're sitting there going, okay, Kendra, let's unpack this.
00:57:59:03 - 00:57:59:22
Dr. John
Oh, yeah.
00:58:03:23 - 00:58:26:12
Speaker 2
makes mistakes. Not a single one of us has lived a perfect life. And realistically, a lot of us have probably broke the law at some point or another and not got caught. I mean, I'll be honest. You know, I'm sure other people drove drunk, haven't been caught, right? But again, if you get caught, you're in the same situation I'm in, but for a different thing.
00:58:26:14 - 00:58:43:24
Speaker 2
So I do feel that, you know, people lose sight of that. I notice, I'm a headline. I'm a villain, I'm a bad mom. I'm a whatever. But that's because they know one little piece of my story. They don't know my whole story.
00:58:46:16 - 00:58:57:11
Dr. John
I'm so glad you brought this up, because another part of the documentary showed texts that Kendra was sending Lauren her daughter low. Oh.
00:58:57:13 - 00:59:23:05
Stacey/Dori
Oh, that's weird. So weird. Like, for me, the love bombing. It was. Love bombing was. Yeah. I love you, my sweetie. My gorgeous face. Xoxo. Kiss a really gross and sort of like like, ooh. Like I was like, that's creepy. Yeah, it's really creepy. And, the kid is so manipulated by this whole thing, I think she feels.
00:59:23:07 - 00:59:32:09
Stacey/Dori
You know what? One more thing. What? What happened to Lauren that made her? She just wanted to believe her mom was her mom because she needed her kids.
00:59:32:11 - 01:00:06:05
Dr. John
Kids? I can't tell you how many cases I have where one comes completely to mind. It's a male who was, very much abused by the a very, you know, one of our little themes throughout all of our work. So right wing Christian, weirdo, fundamentalist who basically, chained this, this guy up. And, also a lot of the Kendra messages, you know, you're stupid, you know.
01:00:06:07 - 01:00:06:15
Stacey/Dori
Yeah.
01:00:06:18 - 01:00:29:17
Dr. John
You amount anything, etc., etc.. And this young man is in his 20s I think now. And he just wants to have a relationship with his father, you know, because it's important to have a father in your life. Now he, he's totally rejected all the religious stuff and thank God. But but he's got this need to have a father.
01:00:29:17 - 01:00:37:06
Dr. John
That's so again, it's so basic inside of us and so socialized. Yeah, this is what's important, you know.
01:00:37:06 - 01:00:39:14
Stacey/Dori
So it was his father that was abusing him and that his mother.
01:00:39:18 - 01:00:48:02
Dr. John
Is, is father and, stepmother. Yeah. They were like, super weird religious people.
01:00:48:02 - 01:01:04:01
Stacey/Dori
Well, you know, as we talked about, a lot of fundamentalist evangelical Christian and Christian nationalists are usually you know, I've found in my reading, allegedly abusive, you know, and, they don't child abuse to them is not a sin.
01:01:04:01 - 01:01:09:07
Unknown
Oh. They.
01:01:09:07 - 01:01:10:24
Stacey/Dori
Thank you so much, guys.
01:01:10:24 - 01:01:25:22
Stacey/Dori
This has been a great episode. And, don't forget next week, don't miss, keep sweet, pray and obey while we talk about the Netflix documentary and explore this very, very scary cult.
01:01:25:22 - 01:01:27:22
Stacey/Dori
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Stacey/Dori
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Speaker 1
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Unknown
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Unknown
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