A bite sized discussion on timely financial news and investment topics, to help you maximize your net worth and wealth for the next generation with Justin Dyer and Mena Hanna of AWM Capital.
Justin Dyer: Hey everyone.
Welcome back to a WM Insights It's
our first episode of 20 25, 20 26.
Excuse me, still stuck in the past.
Uh, glad to be here.
Lots to, lots to talk about.
It's always a great time of
year to reflect and refocus.
That's definitely one of the, one of
the items we're gonna, uh, cover today.
But, um, you know, with with, we'd
be remiss in, in not just doing
a quick review of 2025, which.
Punchline and hopefully everyone
knows, was following along.
It was a great year, great year in
markets, uh, really across the board.
Um, one of the first years
where US underperformed.
It was still a good year in US
markets, but certainly, uh, not
at the top of the leaderboard.
Um, but then we will also focus.
Take those lessons learned, and even
some recent lessons that we, we, uh,
or, or events that, you know, came,
came about really right outta the
gate here in 2026 and, and, uh, set
the stage for, for how to think about
investing, uh, recalibrate expectations.
Kind of like good old reflect
and refocus, like I said.
So without further ado, Mina,
why don't you, uh, jump right in.
What, 2025?
Give us the highlights.
Mena Hanna: 2025 was a busy one We had
you know a a solid market and call it the
first quarter, and then we had pandemonium
with Liberation Day in Tariffs and
Salt.
April
Justin Dyer: April 2025
right?
Yeah,
Mena Hanna: April, 2025 was crazy.
Markets were down like 20%.
We saw some Five ish percent down days,
and then a couple tweets later, and
some, uh, some delays in foreign policy.
And we had like a 10% update,
which is one of the biggest market.
It, it was actually points wise, the
biggest market day ever, um, on record.
So, and, and at the same time, a lot
of people were, were selling markets.
A lot of people were scared.
They were thinking about
the effects of tariffs.
That really carried its
way through all of 2025.
There's a lot of concern about
how tariffs would impact the
economy markets, and we really had,
besides a few minor blips here and
there, just a really strong market year
in domestic markets and an especially a
strong year in international and emerging
markets.
Justin Dyer: Yeah right It it really
was a year where diversification
disciplined investing, I think
really rewarded, um, uh, rewarded
investors if, if you were applying
that that
Mena Hanna: and if you tried to
tie markets you probably missed out
on significant returns last year.
Justin Dyer: Yeah Great reminder right
Markets not only Incorporate information.
Right.
We're gonna talk about that a little
bit in, in some recent events, but
incorporate in, in information, all
available information.
They do it incredibly fast.
Is it perfect all the time?
No, but it's an incredibly
difficult thing to get ahead of.
Um, and, and, and really benefit
from in any systematic way.
Um, and we certainly saw that in 2025,
specifically with the tariffs, but there
were plenty of other little microcosm,
uh, examples of that in, in, in order.
Um, one thing, I guess
kind of a lesson learned,
I would say is I, I like this
framing patience, most definitely.
Uh, beat out speed and trying
to time things like, like
we've talked about, um, well.
Lots
to highlight 2025 Um, we don't
want to spend too much time on
that just 'cause I mean, go, go
listen to all of our old episodes.
Uh, but as we look forward to 2026
and, and like I alluded to, there's
some interesting events already, right?
Whatever we we're recording
this on, on January 7th.
Uh, so we've already
been tested, so to speak.
Let's talk through those.
What are the, what are the events
we've even talking about, but more
importantly, lessons learned from that,
Mena Hanna: Yeah yeah.
And it's been it was a big test and
it was actually a big test during the
weekend which is an interesting time
to get a test because obviously markets
are closed and you can't really trade.
But the events in Venezuela,
the military operation, um, that
happened over the weekend and what
we saw on Monday was a spike up in.
Energy prices, companies
that produce energy.
There was a pretty strong rally.
It was around 2% across the index.
Chevron, which was one of, you know,
the most discussed companies, um,
through this whole new wave, was up 5%.
And you saw a lot of activity I'll
actually, uh, posted up here, but you
saw a lot of activities, especially
in those early morning hours.
where Retail traders
were waking up on Monday.
They were placing their trades, they
were moving markets to the upside, and
it was a very, call it active bet market
timing, taking situational information,
thinking that you're getting ahead of,
as you said, extremely efficient markets.
And not to spoil the surprise, but
if you guys are looking at the chart
right now that's on the screen.
That all went away the next day.
So if you bought Chevron.
Up 5% on Monday.
Well, it was down 4.5%
on Tuesday, and the energy
sector is down again today.
So if you bought that, if you made
that trade, you're just down and
you're down a pretty good chunk
while markets as a whole are up.
Um, and it's just a nice little,
it, it couldn't be more perfect.
Just a lesson on how you shouldn't
time markets and how efficient markets
truly are.
Justin Dyer: Yeah and I would even
take that little lesson further
to say what, what we are always
focusing on are, are repeatable
processes repeatable processes,
repeatable investment approaches
where we don't know what.
The what, what markets
are gonna do day to day.
But what we can have pretty high
confidence in is in a processor approach
that over long periods of time generate
really, really, really strong returns.
And, and mo most importantly, sufficient
returns to meet your priorities.
What's most important to you as a human?
We know, and this is a great example
of it that trading day trading just in
general, but certainly trying to trade,
predict where markets are going on.
The news is not a repeatable process.
Maybe sometime it's going to be right.
More often than not,
it seems you know, using examples like
this, the, the market moves really
quick or overreacts or, you know,
you you pick your your, uh,
your, uh, your movement.
But it's just, it's not a process that
you can trade or invest in effectively
to drive long-term, uh, performance
consistent long-term performance.
Is there to meet your priorities.
What is really, what is
really, truly important to you?
Right?
It's always good for, or I always
like to frame what we're trying
to accomplish here in the lens of,
of, of day-to-day market activity.
So hopefully that
little tidbits helpful
Mena Hanna: if market timing
isn't in your uh 2026 playbook
what what is in your, 2026
Justin Dyer: play Yeah Uh so
uh great question I you know
Mena Hanna: Um,
Justin Dyer: Within this podcast,
we tie a lot back to, uh,
we tie it back a lot to our good old
friend Brian Kane and, and mental
performance and really more, more
specifically just good habits, right?
Good investing generally, uh, goes hand
in hand with good habits at the end.
The beginning of the year, it's always
good to think about your habits,
so, uh, reflect and refocus, right?
Where am I?
Doing things well, where can I get better?
Am I hitting my savings target?
Am I, you know, am I
getting caught up in FOMO
type investing questions or, or, uh,
you know, speculative behaviors, right?
Can I, can I improve how I'm
thinking about those items?
That's a great, great place to spend
time reflecting and refocusing.
The other one related
to that is focusing on.
Controlling what you can control.
Can you control the markets?
No.
Can I predict the future?
No.
Right?
Good old.
Good old.
Be where your feet are.
Control what you can control.
Don't get caught up in things that
you can't control, and know that
this is a very long-term game where.
At the end of the day all all of
this reflecting and refocusing leads
to better habits, better habits stacked
over time, compounds and leads to
better outcomes over the long term.
You're not gonna change things overnight,
whether it's in, you know, with respect
to personal goals, health, et cetera.
But if you can build those repeatable
habits across your physical health,
across your mental health, across your
financial health, you are going to see.
Great results down the road.
So I'm not gonna pull out a crystal
ball and talk about what I think about
2026 You know I, if, if we were
to have that conversation, I'd
say it's set up to be a very
interesting year You know, US
markets are valued pretty, pretty
richly they have been for a while.
So that doesn't necessarily
mean anything's turning over,
uh, um, in the near term.
It certainly could.
Right.
Um, there's obviously
all sorts of interesting
geopolitical, um, uh, uh, just.
Conflict or tension going
on around the world.
And so, you know, you
put a lot of those together.
Uh, diversification's always a
great approach to investing to
apply, but certainly it is nowadays.
Um, we saw that a lot last year and the
benefit of it, and I think that will
definitely be a strength going forward.
What would you
say
Mena Hanna: It would be along those same
lines I think yeah don't time markets.
Make sure that you are treating
this year as just another year, and
know that the only thing that you
can control is, is your actions.
You can really get in the way
of making yourself money if
you don't run the right play.
You have, we have the playbook.
We talk about the right playbook
that puts the odds in your
favor and makes you the casino.
Taking
shots that are unnecessary,
that have call it a less
than 50% chance of success.
Maybe that might work from time
to time, but over the long haul,
if you do that every single day this
year, you are gonna look at your
investment portfolio on December
31st, and you will not be happy.
So run the playbook.
Run the playbook in a way that's
strategic, that increases your
odds of success and your odds
of realizing a positive return.
Don't get too cute with things.
I actually think your
point around, uh, a risk
is an interesting one because I think
when there is risk in the market,
when there is uncertainty like
sometimes those actually are the
best years from a market return
standpoint Um, a lot of people might
be on the sidelines holding back.
Mm-hmm.
You know, they might have Greenland in the
back of their minds and what we might do
there and, and, oh, I'll, I'll wait to
invest after x, y, Z event happens and.
That leads to missed opportunities.
So invest early, understand that you
are investing in risk markets and
have a plan to, to do the right
thing constantly and hold yourself
accountable to do the right thing
constantly.
Justin Dyer: Yeah, that's right I I
think it's well said Right And we most
definitely are your accountability
partner, uh, out there to all,
all you listeners and clients.
Um, and, and hopefully this podcast
is helpful throughout 2026 to
give those little nudges give those
reminders, answer questions you might
have um, along the way.
Um, so thanks for listening.
We'll wrap
there
Mena Hanna: Shoot me a text
is always 6 2 6 8 6 2 0 3 5 5.
It's been, it's been too long.
I forgot my own phone
Justin Dyer: Yeah there you go Yeah
definitely send us the question
send us us the topics you want us to
address and, uh, in 2026, let's all
collectively own our wealth, make
an impact, and always be a pro I.