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Our mission is to take a stand for Christ while hunting from tree stands and enjoying God’s great outdoors. On every adventure, if you look for it, God will teach you something about Himself. That’s what we want to share, a show about awesome hunting and an awesome creator who made it all possible.
Speaker 1 0:30
Welcome to the stand outdoors, the show where faith and the great outdoors come together. Hi. I'm Dave Baker, along with the founder of the stand outdoors, the Reverend Mike Hayes, though he's not a reverend, no, don't say. And today we are talking about shotgun season, also rifle season here in Pennsylvania, November 29 to December 13. And, yeah, it's kind of a nice change up from when you're doing the crossbow and you're doing the compound bow, and then you kind of get something that you can reach out with, yes indeed, and tag them a little further out, because you know how it goes, those big ones, they don't get close often do,
Speaker 2 1:08
and so many times they're just at a range and you're going, okay
Speaker 1 1:12
if I had a rifle or a shotgun right now. Now, for a lot of folks that are listening, depending on where you live, obviously there's restrictions. Here in rural Pennsylvania, we have a lot of housing and a lot of cluster housing, and so there are patches of woods, and there's places that you can hunt, and we have zones here, and they allow certain things in certain zones. And where we're broadcasting from right now, it's all shotgun, right? Can't use a rifle anywhere now, as you get up into the mountains of Pennsylvania. Obviously, Pennsylvania is full of mountains, so a lot of hunters out there to really reach out Ben with, or 308 or 30 odd six, or whatever brand of rifle you're using. And so today we're going to be talking about that. And, you know, Mike, it's, it's, it is nice. It's refreshing. I know personally that I'm glad I don't have to strap on that crossbow again. I can grab my rifle once, even when I go in West Virginia. I'm so excited for rifle season, because it's just a change up, and now we can really start, you know, zoning in on these deer that are coming in and maybe get a shot at a big one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 2:20
And I really, I really like shotgun, because it's still not a rifle, because there's something about, you know, reaching out to 300 yards, that almost seems unfair. But, you know, with the shotgun now, I believe it or not, I used to use a 12 gage all the time, really, yeah, I mean, I mean, all the time, you know, because it's a powerful gun, but now I'm using a 20 Gage, yeah, saying I bought it for my wife. That's because we're getting older. No, no, no, I could not believe the ballistics are almost identical. They are the same. Yeah, they can reach out, they're nice, and they and yet, I bought it for my wife, because it wouldn't kick as much, right? But then, you know, I was looking at the ballistics, I said, Well, why not? You know, it's a lot easier to carry around and but, and the pumpkin balls coming out a little different. Now. They've developed them so they're kind of coming out circular instead of flopping one over time. That was a game changer. So, because they dropped so much, they're called Sabbath slugs, that's it. Yeah, I just happened to use Hornady. But there's many other name brands out there, but, but with the Hornady, if you cite that in at 50 yards, at around three inches high, you're going to be only about two inches high. At 100 then you can kind of see this on the side of the box when you know they say, show you at 150 yards, you're dead on. Wow. And at 200 yards, you can still shoot now, I wouldn't recommend it with the 20, maybe with the 12, yeah, but they say, you know, if you hit them right in the good spot at 200 yards, it'd be eight inches low, so you can literally just put it on the top of their back so you have a reference point. Yeah, and it'll go down into the good stuff. Now, I've never tried it at 200 but we did get one. My father in law got one 150 a buck and with the 20 Gage, 150 yards, and just dropped them.
Speaker 1 4:15
Now, do you do you shoot? Well, when you can, do you try to prop it somewhere, because, you know, shooting a shotgun versus a rifle is a different experience, because you know, you know what's coming, and you know that flinch factor of pulling up, you know that shotgun really, pow, yeah, push back. The rifles can be that way too. But it seems like there's a there's a different feel with a shotgun that you have to kind of a lot for Don't you think you do?
Speaker 2 4:42
Yeah. And matter of fact, if you're like, a lot of times, people are using, you know, a rail of some type, right, you know, and something like that. But you don't want to put it right on that rail, because it'll bounce. If it's a hard surface, it will literally bounce, and you'll miss that shot. So what you have to do is either put it on your hand, and sometimes that doesn't work out too good, because you got to reach so far, or you put it, just get a little bag, a little sandbag or something, put it, put in the window, or whatever. Or you can use. What do I use? I have the I could use every I use the trigger sticks, you know. You know that Primos comes out with they're really nice. I like to use those, even with my crossbow, yeah, and we're gonna talk about that next week, you know. But, but, yeah, any of that I love, I like to have a rest of some type like, you know, just wrapping it around my elbow, you know, the strap and doing that kind of thing, you know, that's hard, especially if they're out there 100 yards or so, that's pretty hard. Yeah, but, but yeah, the, you know, use a variable scope, you know, three to nine, which would help get really does even better than just a four power scope. You just use a very variable three to nine, because if they're out there 150 yards, you want to zoom that thing in where you can put it right on tight, yeah, but, but, yeah. The sabots, the way they work, the Sabbath slugs, it's really ingenious, because a lot of people like I have a Remington, Remington 800 series, and they have the replaceable barrels, so I can use it for turkey hunting, right, with a choke and everything on it. But then I can literally take that barrel out, and then I have another barrel that has a cantilever scope already mounted on it, and side it in. It goes when you take and this is a rifled barrel. Rifled Barrel, right? Has the rifling in it, because that's the problem with slugs, right? You know, slugs will just open up like a mushroom, just just to go through the barrel. They tumble out and drop very and they're the wind. It plays a big factor. That thing is erratic. Now, the word Sabbath means, like encased or two halves that close in something. And what they do is they take these pellet shaped slugs, they're shaped aerodynamic, put them into two plastic, you know, halves. Now, this plastic where, if you just had a slug and you had a rifle barrel, it will just, won't even catch the rifling. It'll just smash through them, but the plastic will catch the rifling and spin that plastic savage or like a bullet, yeah. And then when it comes out of the barrel, it opens up, the two halves fall off, and now you have this aerodynamic, almost like a bullet, 45 caliber, you know, coming out spinning like a bullet. So it's much more accurate, but yet, it is a slug, you know, it's still a slug. It's still going to drop, yeah, and you'll get a lot more accuracy. You get a lot more, you know, penetration. Now, another thing too, is, I, like, you know, a lot of you know, an archery we usually, especially with a compound bow, will will try to shoot right behind that shoulder, you know, get a double lung, you know, heart, maybe something like that. We usually don't like to hit the shoulder with the compound bow, because, you don't know some some of that, some spots on that shoulder are very dense, you know. And but with a shotgun, I will usually aim for the shoulder, you know, because now a lot of people don't like it, because they afraid to mess up the meat. But, you know, I want to drop that thing. You know, you don't want it running. No, I want to drop them. Ben, I don't want to track them for half a month, but, but that seems to work out well. When you can hit them right through the shoulder, it drops them, it turns that shoulder into shrapnel, and he ain't going anywhere, you know, yeah, so those are some tips. Also, your stand, you know, the where you don't want to, you know, hunt out of an archery stand. You know, if you, if you're a good Archer, because you can't see very far. I know sometimes when I go out with some Outfitters, I can tell that I'm if I'm out there with my bow, I'm in a shotgun stand. See, they try to, they try to do them the same, you know, like, so they don't have too many stands out there. But the problem is, I remember one guy with him, and the darn corn that he put out was like 100 yards away. And I'm going, that's a nice shotgun shot, but I'm gonna have trouble making that shot with my compound bow and, but, yeah, picking out a good stand where you can see, you know, a good 200 yards, you know, is great.
Speaker 1 9:44
And you know, and prepping your stand before the season starts, really important too, if you're going to hunt the stand, because I in West Virginia, I hunt both rifle and bow on the same stand, but I have lots of shoot. Lanes for rifle and shotgun. This rifle in West Virginia, right? So I've got, you know, it's really actually a better rifle stand than it is bow but I can get them in close anyway, right? You could call them sometimes in the rut and bring them in, right? But when, when, when you're in, when you're in close with these bow stands. And if you that's all the stands you have and you have, that's where you have to go, then get some chute lanes right prepared, and it's going to take some work. It's a pain. It really is, especially because you're cutting and if you own the property, it makes it a whole lot better. If you're leasing it or whatever, then you've got issues with owner chopping down together, these trees down. So so you do have to think about that, you know, early in the season, because you don't want to be doing all that. I saw a video the other day, Mike, I wanted to tell you this, where that a buck was coming in and and one of the guys that were hunting that stand, they had moved a log or a, I don't they moved something. I think it was a branch, and they had thrown a branch right next to a lane where a deer had been walking through. And don't you know that buck stopped and looked at that branch, and that buck thought hadn't seen that branch here before something's up, like it doesn't take much, doesn't Yeah. And I was amazed how, how that affected the Bucks next steps, yeah. So I've learned in West Virginia now, when I go to my stand every year, I try not to do we used to do what we call in West Virginia urban renewal. We'd go to our stands and we do, or we called it urban renewal, yeah, we would just start cleaning stuff out. Now we did it early enough deal, yeah, but there is something to be said for late in the season, or if you start doing a lot of changing late in the season, my advice to you is, don't do that, because the bucks, believe it or not, and I didn't know this before they notice everything, yeah, and I was shocked at that, yeah. Anyway, that's a sidebar.
Speaker 2 11:56
It's like, if you came home and somebody moved your furniture around, you notice it right away, that couch was on this side.
Speaker 1 12:03
My recliner was so anyway, yeah, so you were saying I went off on a sidebar there. But,
Speaker 2 12:10
well, we were just talking about how, you know, get get a stand where you can see, but you're right, you can clear out lanes, you know. And I use one of those real tall poles, you know, that can snip off limbs and stuff. A nice one, and then I use the extension chainsaw that the hoyman and all that Hooman, whatever they say, Get doing all this advertising companies, they need to become our sponsors. Come on. But you know, we're really using them when they're, you know, not our sponsors. So that's right. But the another thing is important, though, is the make sure you're, you know, in Pennsylvania, you got to be 150 yards away from from a house or any any exterior structure, you know, like a building or something. And with archery, it's only 50 yards. But with shotgun, it's 150 yards. So you got to make sure that you can, you know, use a shotgun in that area where we are, but, but, yeah, shotgun is, you know, it's exciting down here in the southern part, southeast part of, you know, Pennsylvania, because it's still primitive enough where it's a challenge, but yet, you can reach out 100, 150 yards, Maybe, and I get a shot at a Ben. I've gotten some bucks that I have pursued the whole archery season, right, you know? And I remember, you know, if you watch the episode curly, he was, he was a really neat looking buck, and beautiful, beautiful buck. And he just kept out smarting me, you know, the whole archery season, you know. And I didn't learn. I remember that episode. My biggest thing was not learning, you know, what the deer is teaching me. Every time I would grunt, he would run away. And I kept forgetting that, and I'd see him, like, 100 yards away, and I start grunting the other way. Oh, yeah. He does not like that, yep, yep. Because every deer is different. They really are. And then, sure enough, you know, I think it was opening day of shotgun he presented, yeah, and, of course, he gives me, like, a 40 yard shot I could have taken with my bow. You know, of course,
Speaker 1 14:13
of course. Well, I've had the same experience in Pennsylvania, where I've hunted. One of my biggest deer ever in Pennsylvania was shot gun. And same thing I couldn't get I couldn't get him close. I was doing the same thing. You were trying to grind him in. He wasn't interested in any of that. But the opening day of rifle, he walked right up. He walked to me, and I throttled him. I will tell you this, I have shot probably a half a dozen Buck now with with the shotgun. And I don't know what it is, Mike, but I'll tell you one thing, those slugs throttle the deer. They throttle like I know the rifles. Yeah, I'm not, I don't I'm on. I'll tell you right now, I'm not a gun expert, and I know there's a ton of rifles out there that are very effective for you mountain hunters. And you also, you swear by your 308, or you swear. By your 30 odd six. My dad was a 30 odd six Remington guy, you know, the old, the old pump action, and he was, he was deadly with it. But I'll tell you one thing, when I've, when I've shot with a shotgun, the deer are just throttled. Yeah, they just, it's hard for them to get up and go
Speaker 2 15:18
very far. Big, old 45 caliber, right? Slug, you know, I, matter of fact, that same episode currently, when you see me shoot him, it literally knocks him sideways. He does he go, he knocks him sideways, and then he starts to run. It really knocked him off his feet, almost, you know. And it, you
Speaker 1 15:35
know, it for me, it made me a more patient Hunter, hunting with a shotgun, because I, I don't really want to reach out that far with a with a slug. I really don't. I'd like to get them in close, in, in, in 100 yards. Yeah, you know, I like 6050, 6070, yards. You know that they're you're probably going to be able to get that distance between you and the buck probably won't see you if you're doing the right things. So, but, man, I'll tell you, I have shot deer with a with a with a shotgun, and it is just, it's amazing how much it throttles. And they don't go very far, and they don't run very far away. They drop, sometimes drop almost immediately.
Speaker 2 16:13
Yeah, they don't go far, no doubt about it, just especially if you hit them in the shoulder, you know. Because not only is it the bullet, now it's all their bones going through their lungs and everything else. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1 16:23
it's unreal. And I've shot rifle, and I've had good shots, and they've just taken off, and I've, I get to them, and it's like a perfect heart shot. But they just go, go, go. And, you know, sometimes these big boys, they can just go and go on a rifle shot, not always, but, but they can. They can run
Speaker 2 16:39
far. I got to tell you this story. This is when I first started hunting. My father in law, you know, he's got this Florida cracker up here in Pennsylvania, it doesn't know anything, you know, I could teach him how to bass fish, but I didn't know anything about hunting well, and I was coming late like I did, I wasn't able to put in some stands upstate Pennsylvania. Had to go out and hunt some archery stands that he had put in for archery. This is up in Bradford County, around that area, so you can use, I was using my 308 and, and so I'm up there, and it's very tight, you know, I can't see very far. But this doe comes in. We're and we're basically, we're doe hunting, and we're not Buck hunting. We're doe hunting this, this doe comes in, sticks her head out of the woods. It's like a ravine that's underneath me, a ravine to my left. She's in front of me. She sticks her head out. And I can see it's a doe because I can see her head real clear. So I just put it right on her shoulder that I could see the rest of her body was like in the thicket, you know. And I shoot, and she disappears. And I thought she was gone, you know. And I went, Oh, wow, I probably just totally missed her. And she went back in the thicket because you couldn't see anything. It was so thick. Then I look over to my left, and I see another doe, and she's like, standing on a little plateau before it went down into the ravine. And I shoot at her, and she takes off running down into the ravine, and it's real thick down there. And then she comes running back out, and she's running up the hill. So I shoot again. I miss her. I shoot a third time, and dropped her in her tracks right there. And I'm like, say, Wow, man, I was all proud of myself. Shot him, shot her, running, you know? And and then I said, You know what? I want to go see where I hit, where I looked like I hit underneath, because that one jumped up in the air. Well, I didn't know anything about a mule kick, you know that they usually do when they get hit. I thought the bullet hit underneath, or on that little plateau. I go over there, and I'm standing on that little plateau, and I'm looking down in the ravine. There's a dead doe down. There's your first one. No, that was the second, oh, the second one, but that was the third one. Was another one. I thought it was the same one. Then I said, I better go check that first part that I shot kinds of dough. I walk over to the first doe that I shot at, she just went straight down. I got three does and I got one tag.
Speaker 1 19:08
You're admitting it now, I guess it's so statue of limitations.
Speaker 2 19:12
It was unbelievable. I'm going, I didn't, you know, I was just dumber than dumb and and, and so I wanted to do the right thing. And so I gutted them all, you know. And I look like somebody from chains Chainsaw Massacre kind of, you know, whatever, coming up out of there with, I know. But no, I didn't even grab one drug. It Up. And I told my dad about it, and he was freaking out. He could not believe it. He didn't believe that. I didn't realize it, because nobody could be that dumb, you know. And I went, No, I really didn't. And so we went over to this Amish house, you know, and this guy's got like, 10 kids or whatever, and they go, yeah, man, we'll go, don't worry about it. We'll take that dough, man. And so it all worked out, you know, if we. Help feed some kids, you know. But, yeah, but no kid, man, it dropped that 308, so that rifle is something, but those were, like, 100 yard shots. I could have used a shotgun. Is crazy, one of my crazy stories. But we all have this learning curve, you know. And thank God that dad stuck with me,
Speaker 1 20:19
you know, we all go through these learning curves. When we're learning to shoot whatever instrument we have in our hands, it's always learning, yeah, and we figure it out over time, but it takes a little bit to kind of figure out where you go from one, you know, go from crossbow to rifle, you have to kind of remember there's some some changes. I remember when I went from a rifle to crossbow. I had to think about, you can't shoot a crossbow and aim it like you shoot a rifle. You've got to aim a little differently and kind of look at a different area, kind of the same, but a little different. You can't quite go as low with a crossbow, or you're going to miss them underneath. You know, if they if they jump, or if they move, or whatever it is, you know, I just had to learn that. It took me a while. And you got to know the yardages with the crossbow. That was the other thing. That was the other thing. Know the yardages. So we'll get into crossbows another time, but that's some of the things we've we've learned, or we've had stories about around shotgun and rifle, and there's plenty more rifle stories, I'm sure we can tell, but those are the ones we have for you at this moment, right?
Speaker 1 21:31
You know, Mike, we spend a lot of time in the woods, and you and I are both amazed at God's creation. There's, there's never a moment in the woods that I don't see something or experience something where I don't go. You know what God's amazing and is, is, you know, he, I preached a sermon a couple of weeks ago, Mike and I was talking about how God created the animals before He created Eve, you know, He created Adam, then he created all the animals could be like, Are there going to be animals in heaven? My dog going to make my Well, I don't know if I can tell you that for sure, but I can tell you this, he created the animals before He created the second human. Yeah, and so they must be important to him. They must be something he enjoys. And if we're created in God's image, then that's that's why we love animals so much, I think, because it's something close to God's heart. So anyway, every time we're in in creation, out in it, experiencing things, it's kind of amazing to us. And so we try, we try, on this podcast, to bring in a spiritual application to what we've been talking about today, when talking about shotguns and rifles and kind of reaching out. And so as believers, that's one of the cause that Jesus gave to His disciples before he left, is to go into all the world. What Mike and what? Preach the gospel, right? And reach out, yeah, and,
Speaker 2 22:53
and it's such an important part of of the Christian life, because that's why we were left here. I mean, think about it. Praying is important, you know, obviously living a good life and but you think about all the different things involved in Christianity, like Bible study, meeting together, fellowship, right? All these things. These are great things you can do, all these in heaven, you know what? What's the one thing you can't do evangelize that we know of? Yeah, right, yeah, that we know there might be aliens on another planet. But anyway, so this is why he left us here. He wanted us to be His hands and His feet. He wanted us to be the gospel in life and also verbally. And so there's a lot of verses here. I wanted to go through Acts one eight. You know, this is right after, you know, during Pentecost here and and he says, but you will receive power. Or this is actually when Jesus was talking with him on the Mount. He says, but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth. So we're talking about reaching out here. That's reaching out. Matthew 2819 is also a good one that Jesus said to make disciples. Right? He said, Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you, and surely I will be with you always to the very end of the age. That's called the Great Commission passage. And notice he said that he wants you to go out and make disciples. And I always bring this up, because a lot of times people think, think it's just evangelism. No, it's making disciples, and that's what we're here for. Evangelism is just a part of that you want to share the gospel, you want to win them to Christ, but you don't want to be leaving babies on doorsteps. You know what I mean? I mean these newborn babes in Christ. Because they need to desire the sincere milk of the word so that they can grow, as Peter says, and then they can handle the meat. And we we have to look at that too. How can I get them into a church? How can I help them, you know, get into God's word? And I usually have some books that I use that when I lead somebody to Christ. I have this book called Know what you believe, by Paul little and and it's really been good because it's 10 chapters, 10 basics of our faith, and it can get them rooted and grounded as a new believer, so that they know what they believe. And Mark 1615, talks about going into all the world and preaching the gospel. But Romans, 1014, and 15, I wanted to read that one to you. That's because a lot of people go, Well, you know, they just need to look at your life, you know. And that's all they need to see. You just need to live the godly life, you know. And because, and it's true, we got, got to do that. But then Paul says, you know, in Romans, 1014, and 15, he says, how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they're sent. And obviously God has sinners, and he says, As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news or the gospel? So, yeah, it's both. You got to have both. I don't know why. You know that people love that saying, share the gospel as much as you can, and something about and use words if you have to, or something like that. It's like sharing the gospel. We know it's our life, you know, but, but they have to go together, you know. How can people believe if they don't know? You know,
Speaker 1 26:52
there comes a point where you can live it and you can be a testimony. But there comes a moment. I think all of us with our friends, our loved ones, our families, we have to say, Do you know Jesus? Do you have a relationship with Jesus Christ? And let me, let me show you, and let me tell you how you can have a relationship with Jesus. There has to be that moment where there needs to be a kind of come to Jesus conversation, right? I mean, and that's, that's the reaching out part that we all have to be doing on a regular basis, because I preached a sermon on heaven the couple of weeks ago, really. And I'm telling you, heaven's going to be unbelievable. Heaven's going to be amazing. There's going to be so many things going on in heaven. It's going to blow your mind. And just when you think that it can't get any better, it will, yeah. And so why? Why wouldn't we as as believers, want to bring as many as of our friends and loved ones to heaven with us as possible? Yeah? And so reaching out being ambassadors for Christ is key. And as hunters, let me tell you, guys and girls, you have an opportunity to be around some really hard fellows and hard ladies. They're rode hard. They've been they've gone through a lot, some of these hunters, and you have an opportunity in a quiet moment in the woods, you know that's that's what made Phil Robertson so effective, because he'd go to the duck blind and he'd share the gospel with all those that he brought with him. Yeah, he never let an opportunity go by where he wouldn't share the gospel with somebody he knew, didn't know Jesus, right? He didn't want him to leave the duck blind right until they knew.
Speaker 2 28:31
And, you know, and they're so open to spiritual things because of Romans 120 God's clearly seen by the thing, clearly he's made. And they're out in the middle of it. And, you know, I met a lot of people though, that are very spiritual, quote, unquote, but they're they don't know the truth of the gospel. Jesus made it so clear. He says, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes unto the Father but through Me. And you can be very spiritual, and die and spend eternity in hell, which is a horrible thought, because can you imagine your buddy? You know that you've been in the blind with or whatever for years and years, and he doesn't make it, and he doesn't make it, but yet he was spiritual. But can you imagine him? I mean, I would show the thought that he could even talk and say, Yeah, you know, all this time you knew the truth and you never shared it with me, you know. I mean, I'm not trying to put a guilt trip on somebody, but, but, you know, we have to think about that. And in every other area of life, except for evangelism, for some reason, we're intentional, whether it be Bible study, whether it be going to church and fellowship and and doing all this stuff, and when it comes to learning how to share your faith, you're learning how to share the gospel. We don't want to be intentional about that. Thinking about, how can I, you know, open up a conversation, right? I can share. There with and be praying about that. I'm constantly like, we're getting ready to go to, you know, Ohio on a hunt, and we're going to be with probably 15 guys, you know. And before I go, and Joey too, you know, we go together. Before we go, we pray that God will go before us, give us an opportunity, and open their hearts, prepare them. Help keep us sensitive to the Holy Spirit's leading. Give us the right words to say that will recognize the right moments. Base that in prayer, right like based in a chicken and you and you just get it ready for that time and all that. That's preparation. That's like pruning the trees to clear out your shots right.
Speaker 1 30:44
Get ready. And so Mike and I just want to encourage you all the hunters that are listening to the program, and even if you're not a hunter and you're listening, encourage you to reach out, share the Gospel, share Jesus, share the relationship that you are having with Jesus and how important that is in your life. And listen. We want all these people to be in heaven with us, so we want to take them with us and so be reaching out and sharing the gospel. We would love to hear from you. We'd love to hear your stories. So please send us a note or question by going to our home page at the standout doors.com and hit the Contact tab. Also, we'd love to pray for you too. Leave your prayer request by hitting the Contact tab, or do you know Jesus tab? Yeah.
Speaker 2 31:26
Also check out our targeting the truth Bible studies. We have these Bible studies that include hunting videos. I mean, think about it, when was the last time you went to a Bible study and got to watch a hunting video? Well, that's what targeting the truth. Bible studies include, you watch a video, then I share the three to five minute spiritual message at the end. But then you go into the five discussion questions. You have Leaders Guide. You have everything you need. You're so good right there to have a men's group. You know you can download it, and guess what? Guys, it's all free. It's right there for you. Anybody in the stinking world that has a computer can can download this for free. And we, you know, we want to keep it that way, because we want to reach as many people and the outdoor community as we can. And
Speaker 1 32:18
it's all found at the stand outdoors.com. Check it out. Hey, Mike, and I would just want to thank you for joining us today on the podcast. You can find it anywhere. It's on Apple, Spotify, many other platforms. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe. Leave a review, share it with a fellow Hunter, and you can get all the details about our guests. Any links can be found on our show notes, and you can find us online anytime, day or night, 24 hours a day, free of charge, the standout doors.com. That's the standout doors.com. Until next time for my case, I'm Dave Baker, and
Speaker 2 32:50
remember, stand firm in the faith and keep targeting the truth.
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