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The Smoke Trail, hosted by Smoke Wallin, is a journey into awakening consciousness, weaving authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests to unlock high performance and perfect health. Each episode delves into spirituality, leadership, and transformation, offering tools to transcend trauma and find your bliss along the way. It’s a reflective space for achieving peak potential and inner peace in a distraction-filled world.
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Ivan:Oh, it's so beautiful.
Anitra:Welcome to the Smoke Trail hosted by Smoke Wallin. Join Smoke on a unique journey of awakening consciousness, sharing authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests. Explore spirituality, leadership and transformation, tools to elevate your path.
Smoke:Welcome to the Smoke Trail. What follows is my really wide ranging discussion on consciousness, health, and a whole bunch of other topics with my teacher, Ivan Rados. It was a great pleasure doing it, but we started talking before the actual episode started, and I wanted to include some of those snippets. So it's a little bit disjointed in the very beginning, but bear with me. There's a lot here and hopefully something for you that will benefit you.
Smoke:God bless.
Ivan:I spend I spend on that plateau. I can't remember where that
Smoke:you can see behind me, there's Bell Rock and Courthouse
Ivan:Bell Rock. Yes. Yes.
Ivan:I spent I spent three hours meditating on that platform.
Smoke:It's beautiful.
Ivan:With sun heating, and it was beautiful. I mean, I'm happy that you're actually doing it from the vortex.
Smoke:Yeah. I love to have you here in Sedona with me in spirit, if not in physical presence.
Ivan:Sedona is one of my favorite place where I can stay forever. You know, there was just a few places on earth that I can stay and just rejuvenate constantly, automatically, and do nothing. That that's that's the beauty of it. It's just like being surrounded by wilderness and beauty and calmness and dryness. It's like my kind of retreat.
Smoke:Whatever is coming up for you, Sedona, with the energy, will make it come up more. So if it's positive, it's it's good. If it's very high level, it's we'll make it even more. If it's something negative or something in the way, it will bring it out to the surface as well.
Ivan:I don't know, but I know there's a huge big crystal underneath, very crystal structure. And as crystal can amplify the frequency that you bring into the you know, consciously when you bring into the crystal. Consciousness is in the crystal. But when you activate the trumentary to go in higher in high frequency, then it becomes healing place. And the crystalline structure within your own, you know, cellular structure is amplifying consciousness into higher level.
Smoke:That's one of the most interesting things that I've learned from you. What I never understood was how related our consciousness is to our health. In one of your your books, health is consciousness, I found it to be very powerful. Just understanding the basics. The basics of if our energy is not flowing properly, it causes disruption and that disruption is what ends up manifesting into what we call disease or illness.
Ivan:Yes. You see, when you can stop breathing for four minutes or a little bit more, some people can do more, And then you stop breathing, your brain is going to be active. Your body will be active, but you will fall unconscious. You, essentially, will fall unconscious. Why?
Ivan:You know, if the brain is working for a while and then it's going to stop because there is no force. There is no, you know, there is no energy there navigating, controlling, being, you know, a driver of that vehicle called the human body, physical body. If there is no you know, so if the consciousness goes to sleep, becomes unconscious after not breathing for a while, then that you know, assume that, you know, consciousness is not just us within our body, but consciousness is outside that we are breathing, that the consciousness is supplying the energy for us.
Smoke:We got a puppy. She likes to get out and hike every day.
Ivan:You know what's what's beautiful about puppy? Anytime you come in whatever state you come home, puppy is gonna be happy. Your your wife might be miserable, but your dog is is a dog.
Smoke:Unconditional love.
Ivan:So what is the what's the name of dog? Bodhi. Bodhi. Dog can be your alter ego or it can be your reflection, you know, conscious reflection. So, you know, how you treat your dog, that's the way how you actually treat yourself.
Smoke:My intention with the entire Smoke Trail is to share what I'm learning along the way and to hopefully help other people who are on their path in some way. I am greatly honored to have Ivan Rados here, my teacher who has helped me so much, a incredible person who helped many people already, but I want to expose you to a wider audience if possible. It's a great honor to have you here to hopefully share a little bit of your wisdom, maybe ask a few questions that might be useful for me and for others.
Ivan:Alright. Let's go.
Smoke:To me, the two books that I believe are the most relatable to many people or wide audience are create yourself and health and consciousness. And I say that because I think some of the later books oh, which I love. I love the mystery of love. It's a beautiful book. I wrote my my endorsement, you which you you nicely included on the cover, so I love the book.
Smoke:It's beautiful. You already have to be at a certain level of consciousness to appreciate the mystery of love at the level that it that it's being put out, I believe. With health and consciousness, I think there's some very specific intangible things that anybody who pays attention can benefit from. One of my things that I didn't understand before I met you, and that book and our work together has helped me understand how important and how direct relationship between our consciousness level and our health. How important the energy flow is to everything.
Smoke:We were talking a little bit about it, but I'd love you to maybe elaborate on it a bit and just share a couple of thoughts on it.
Ivan:All right. Thank you for this question. Now, you are making me think. Usually, I don't try to I don't think, but only when there's a need, and and there's a need to explain something here. I don't know whether you know about that.
Ivan:But when I was 13, 14 year old, I I was failing school. I was born in Former Yugoslavia, and our education is was not education. It was indoctrination. Like, because we you know, they were putting information, thoughts, ideas, beliefs in us instead of us forming it our own because we came here to learn about who we are. So when I give you the idea who you are, then you lost the track.
Ivan:You there's separation, disconnection, and then all kinds of deviations and distortions happen in that field of existence, which is your field. We call it, you know, individual universe. You know, your individual universe is the same as any other universe with any other being with a soul, with a consciousness, and with our hope. So I was really curious into study something that is not part of education, which is considered the weird, strange, mystical, occultic, call it esoteric, everything that is out of this reality. I was in a way obsessed, but I never really believed in anything I was reading because my first book was a Castaneda when I was nine years old and I was failing so many lessons.
Ivan:Some incident happened in the school that I said, I don't want to be part of this. I'm gonna just look after myself. It was not selfish reason, but I had to do it in order to survive. Communist country, my parents were dysfunctional, and I was feeling not grounded. And for me to jump into that unknown was absolute safety, which is real funny.
Ivan:I was so safe learning about anything, but not learning and accepting the information. As I said, believing in it, if it resonates with me, then it stays. I don't think, I don't complain. I never complained about that or contemplated about that. It just stays there.
Ivan:And knowing that at one point is going to be a reference point, whatever I experienced within myself and that's the true knowledge, then I'm going to know it forever. Like a bike. You ride a bike, you can't forget. So anyway, age, as I said 12 or 13, I got a book. I don't know how it came to me.
Ivan:It's just like a miracle. It just appeared in my hand. I don't know who gave me, whether I bought it, whether I went into a library or I don't know whether I got the present. And the book was, Astral Travel by Barbara Brennan, I think. And it was how to lift your astral body and through, use of sacrogeometry, you know, mainly tetrahedron and, diamond shaped, octahedron, and all kinds of other levels where you spin it in your vision while meditating and just spin it, spin it, spin it.
Ivan:And there's a procedure there. Then at one point, you might or might not. It depends how serious you are and where your consciousness is. And whether you are ready for that or not or allowed to go there or not, I lifted my body. It's like I was flying above my body, physical, on the ceiling and looking at my physical frozen body, I was wow.
Ivan:I felt so free. I felt so connected. I looked above and it was a garden. I was 12 13. I was I was jumping the stones, climbing like a thousand, and just going around nature.
Ivan:And I was, like, inviting me to go and explore. And I said, oh, what about my physical body? I looked at my physical, and then that moment, the thought came. It was not me inviting. It's just I could see the thought coming and overwhelming me with something that I don't know what, and then I start shaking and trembling.
Ivan:I realize I'm in fear of going up there. I have to go to my body. And then I got immediately with that fear, I got awoke my awakened to my body, and the vision came. Immediately vision came with a huge big library full of my books. And I asked the person in that vision, asked the person who was looking after this library, librarian, you know, how many books do you have here?
Ivan:He said, only 23. I said, wow. But I can see millions of books. He said, yeah. But only 23 books.
Ivan:They'll copy all these. I said, Wow. And who is the author? He said, You. I said, Me?
Ivan:Me writing a book? Never. I was failing Serbocrat language in my country, my language, my mother tongue. How on earth am gonna write the book? And then I just forgot about it.
Ivan:I said, no. I mean, everything is possible, you know, but I'm not gonna decide anything. You know, if I if it happens, happens. If it doesn't, doesn't. So many years passed by.
Ivan:The war happened in my country, and we Alana and I, my beloved, we went to England just a couple of days before the war. And then at one point, I was having exhibitions. I'm an artist, and I had a had a residence in some international art community in Halifax, Northern England. And then I don't know how. It's just like I woke up one morning and said, honey, I have to write a book.
Ivan:She said, Ivan, don't. I said, but in English, please stop. You know? I'm not gonna participate in that. I I don't want to suffer.
Ivan:I said, no. You don't have to suffer, but I have to do it. So I don't know what. Are you gonna be a publisher? No.
Ivan:Are you you don't speak English. You don't speak Serbocrat. Well, I I said, I have to do it. So that book was a part of one exhibition and it was sold immediately. A hundred books, just a limited edition.
Ivan:Books that were sold immediately. And I was like, woah, my ego started going up. You know? But I had to, know, maintain my ego. Otherwise, it's gonna it will be really, you know, kick me kick me harder.
Ivan:And now just like couple of years ago, I said to my beloved, honey, have you noticed? You know, I don't really I don't I don't write, but it seems like anytime there's that urge to express myself, I will go and just throw it without me thinking I'm writing a book, and it will be thrown. And that was my second book that you are talking about trans you know, transform your life through sacred geometry meditation. And it was a book that really got big attention.
Smoke:It's a it's a powerful book. I there's so much wisdom and so much just incredible things in it. I experienced it with you. So you talk about soul fragmentation And and soul retrieval. Exactly.
Smoke:And how we we can invite our first, we have to recognize that we've had fragmentation, then we can invite our soul to come back or full soul to come back, but it doesn't have to. It has its own choice. And I experienced this with with you. We we we with a number of ceremonies and and exercises and and lots of work in between, I experienced that something I didn't realize. I had soul fragmentation for sure, and you helped me bring it back.
Ivan:Of course. It's we are all here in forgetfulness. So and the whole story, life story is how to remember. You know? It's all.
Ivan:How to remember. You're here to remember. We are all here to remember what? You know? Just who we are.
Ivan:Who we are. Not what we are, but who we are. What we are is the consequence of, you know, answering the question who am I? So, yes. So that book that book was really a big success.
Ivan:And I decided after that I immigrated to Canada and decided to open some kind of healing workshop. And I was running it almost every month from my little tiny studio. Only 12 people could fit in, and I could accept 12 people. At one point, I think it was my tenth or eleventh of workshop, Constance Keller Kraem. And she she is the president of Namaste Publishing.
Ivan:And I was presenting my workshop was about healing, and I it's a funny title of the workshop. It's 10 healing noncommandments. You know, Moses giving commandments. This is the way to I am giving the way people noncommandments, which is in a way strange. And in that in that part I mean, this is more like five hours presentation, five hours workshop.
Ivan:And Constance Kello, president came and said, Ivan, you know, do you mind, if you can write this, I will make sure to publish it. And I said, yeah. Why not? And I went into a wilderness, spent, I think, fifteen days, and I wrote the entire just like I download it.
Smoke:Yeah.
Ivan:And I I can see someone was giving me messages above. No. Because everything I went through, just taking everything, resonates with me stayed. At one point, I accumulated so much. Without me knowing, I had to empty myself.
Ivan:So usually I will go in the wilderness on my own with pumas and bears around me and work, which is not my work, which is a meditate if something happens, happens, and then the work will happen. Work will work itself. Book will write itself. And it did. That was five eighty pages, a huge book big book.
Ivan:And she said, woah. And the consultant said, woah. You know, I'm gonna give it to editor, our editor, David Ord, who is gonna check it. And he decided to take one part of 10 chapters of nondual healing, and he picked that one, health. It's all about consciousness.
Smoke:I want to read the whole 500 pages. You still have it?
Ivan:Oh, yeah, at one point. It's gonna be published. So far I mean, I didn't manage, it just happened. 12 books were, you know, published. Yeah.
Ivan:And there were there were other remaining. So I'm gonna live long here. I see. I'm gonna live long. So, yes, I'm gonna do that.
Ivan:But this why he chosen why did David Ord chosen this choose this chapter to publish is that's the beginning of understanding what healing and what consciousness is. On that level where people are not really into spirituality and, you know, all of that meditation and finding nature of reality finding who we are and what's nature of reality, then it's And it's the stepping stone to really deep dive if you have this urge to go in any directions you want. So it's really important to for me, it was to give the message to people about what the healing is. We all talk about healing. We all experience what is disease, what is sickness, what is illness.
Ivan:We are so much attached to illness, but we are not attached to health. When we are healthy, we forget health. It's like we are on top of the world. But when we become diseased, then we start worrying. And we actually allow our mind to take over.
Ivan:Consciousness goes to sleep, and that's where separation and suffering and disconnection with ourselves, our soul, and reality overall. It is really important to understand what is healing. And that's the point of that book. What is healing? When you understand what is meditation, then you can meditate.
Ivan:People are meditating if they don't know what meditation is. How can you do that? You see what I mean?
Smoke:So Well, one of the things that I have learned and part of part of it was from that book and from you, part of it was from, I think, David Hawkins, some of his work, and and other work. It's all blending together now because I Yep. I I've done a lot of work as you know, is we have experience we feel something. It's an energy, and we name it something. Oh, I have a headache.
Smoke:Oh, I have a stomachache. Oh, I have anxiety. Oh, I have fear. We name it something. But it's just an energy.
Smoke:And what I've learned to do is recognize the energy, not call it something, question what is it, try to put my conscious on it, and as it as I do that, it usually dissipates. And it goes through, and then it's gone. And it's I've now been able to do that with yeah. As you know, when I when we first met, I I thought I was pretty healthy, but I was actually suffering from many different things. You said, hey.
Smoke:You've got some you might have some problems. I had a lot of, you know, symptoms. I have none of that anymore.
Ivan:Yes. Of course.
Smoke:It's all gone. Everything. Gout, the you know, everything. I mean, I lost a lot of weight, as you know, and just all of that stuff's gone away. And even now where yeah.
Smoke:I really don't get sick, but I, know, I had a there was some kind of stomach virus going around or some some kind of stomach flu that Anita had that I I started to get. And I was like, okay. What is this? And I just did the same thing. I'm not I didn't call it what anything.
Smoke:I just felt the energy, and it went away within eight hours. She had it for four days, but mine went away in very quickly. But I didn't name it. I didn't call it anything. I didn't acknowledge it.
Smoke:I just said, okay. It's it's something, but it okay. Is there something I have to know? Is there something I have to release? Is there something I have to and it just went away.
Ivan:Yes. Because, you know, your physical health and well-being is dependent on your mind, the way you think. And we don't think thinking are thinking us, or the mind is thinking us, or mind is giving us idea or the way to think, be attached to that process of thoughts coming and going and being lost in that equation of consensus, create a reality that is distortion. So we live in distorted reality, outside and inside. We label things, we assume, we project, we desire, we expect, we demand.
Ivan:Mean, all these equations are not equations from the soul because soul does not really demand anything. Soul simply is. But the soul is the field for the light to travel through. So let's say soul is the infinite field of infinite possibilities while the consciousness is that tiny little possibility that is trying to figure out its own existence in that field of infinite. So that's why we are here to infinitely understand our infiniteness ness.
Ivan:You know? And when we understand that, then you become ordinary. In that ordinariness, you have consciousness. And consciousness is not the mind. Consciousness is attached, embedded into mind, into equation of thinking.
Ivan:Who am I? What reality is? That conclusion or aspect. We build personal self dogma. Also, our self dogma is linked with a dogmatic aspect of society that is in relationship with our dogma.
Ivan:It's actually the master of our dogma. We think, oh, my life and my way of thinking is unique. No. It's the same with entire humankind. Everyone is thinking the same thoughts.
Ivan:And you don't have any thoughts. The thoughts are not yours. They are social. They are recyclable. They are I can give it to you.
Ivan:You can give it to me. It's all
Smoke:the thoughts. And it and it really is
Ivan:you are. And that's where the disease is, not being at ease with who and what you are. Yeah.
Smoke:And and the thoughts that was hard for me to understand, but I I now have a appreciation for it. And the thoughts are really come to you at whatever level of consciousness you are. So if you're in shame or in anger or in fear, those thoughts are the same. If I'm an alcoholic or I'm addicted to drugs or I'm I'm in a very depressed state, those thoughts are almost the same. Substitute a name, substitute a situation, but it's the same.
Smoke:As I go up and I become clear of those things, and I'm not stuck in those lower levels, and I am able to just rest in love and unconditional love and nonjudgment and peace, those thoughts are coming to me too, but those are different thoughts. Those are more peaceful. Like, they're they're they're pleasant earth thoughts, but they're still coming through that field. But it's whatever level you are, those thoughts are just flowing to us.
Ivan:That's right. So I got reminded now of one master who said a Zen master who said and his his disciple asked him, this master, Sir, what is the mind? And he said, There's no mind only thoughts. And the person said, So are the thoughts real? And the master said, no.
Ivan:They just appear real because you are attached to it. So there is something greater. There's something more beyond the thoughts, beyond that abstract mind with illusion, with invention. Mind is invention, invented by society in order to communicate, designate, or create. Yeah.
Ivan:Those aspects are all in consciousness as a natural self. As it's like a flow. Like a flower cannot do anything but release the smell, release the fragrance. Like sun cannot do anything else but spread the plasma in the universe freely. That's what it is.
Ivan:So, the consciousness is beyond the mind. And why the mind is formed, why do we attach ourselves so deeply into mind and diseased ourselves? We become not at ease with who and what we are. You know, because of denial, you know, everything is interrelated. Loving others without loving oneself is denial of your own existence.
Ivan:And that's what we've been taught. That's what we've been told when we came to this reality is people will give us idea of who we are. You know? And then we take those ideas forming our mind, our ego, our personality, character, then losing the connection with that real, which is neutral point of existence, which is all and everything in one with infinite possibilities. So one possibility becomes actuality, and that's the reality of the mind.
Ivan:There's nothing wrong there. It's an experience. You come to this reality very dense and you have to use the mind to operate. But you have to create the mind, not the society or early upbringing, your parents and surrounding giving you that mind. And that's something that we can talk some other time.
Ivan:But what I want to say here is that denial is the cause. Denial creates tension. When you deny who you are, your own self, your own infinite nature, all of that which is inside and outside as one, then, you know, you deny your own existence and then tension is created. And tension, any tension is disease. So you, as you elemental, existential, essential you, you know, cannot be in tension.
Ivan:It's absolute relaxed state of being. You can call it enlightenment, like we are all Buddhas. In sleeping, we have to awake. And we are sleeping because we are thinking, and that's the dream. That's the thing.
Ivan:There are no mind, and the thoughts are there, but they are not yours. They are social. Even that is illusionary. But we give that life to that illusionary aspect of society as real. Society is not real.
Ivan:It's composed of individuals. Every individual is unique, but at the same time the whole. We are all one. So what is the healing in all of that? Healing is consciousness.
Ivan:It's always healthy, always present, always in well-being, and when you are not in your consciousness, then you are diseased, meaning then you are caught in thinking that's not yours. It is mechanical aspect of indoctrinated you in order to survive in this reality and navigate through these experiences to learn something. So consciousness and health cannot be put into different categories. It's just talking the same. Health and consciousness is the same.
Ivan:We are breathing health, we are breathing ourselves all the time, we are breathing God everything that is, you know, and we are breathing everything that's not outside. Breathing in everything that is, everything that's not outside. There is this rhythmical aspect of these dualistic equations that are interrelated interlinked, together. And when you are not in that togetherness with yourself, you are in denial of yourself, then you become diseased. And then it's very hard to come to the health because you have to really dive deep and follow the procedure, which is dedication to yourself, dedication to the practice, and removing all the obstacles, all ideas, all the thoughts that are coming and bombarding you with, go with me, accept this, believe in this, that you become neutral and retain that consciousness that is just being present, celebration of life, acceptance of all that is, we call it love.
Ivan:So it's love for all and love for yourself and everyone else. Then you don't yourself, then you are diseased, which means you are the mind and the thoughts and all of that.
Smoke:Mean, it's
Ivan:like I
Smoke:Well, no. That that that that is that's my understanding now too. And, thankfully. And when we we began work together a few years ago now, You said to me you know, I I said I well, I wrote you had write you said write down what you want. I I wrote down peace and love, and then I wrote a whole bunch of things.
Smoke:I had a whole page of things that were things about my kids and my family and peace on earth and all these different things. And you and you looked at the sheet and you said, okay. That's all nice, but no. Just this top one, peace and love. And then you looked at me and you said, you your problem is you do not trust people, and you don't trust yourself.
Smoke:And I was like, what are you talking about? Who is this guy? So what I realized was that I didn't love myself. I didn't I didn't accept who I was, and I was the worst critic I could ever be to myself. And therefore, you can't have any outside love without that.
Smoke:And Exactly. We cleared that partly that day, but partly it took a lot of work after. Right? We it's been ongoing. It's not just one time.
Smoke:Yes. And and and now it's like, well, that's why I'm doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this because I need to do this. I need
Ivan:to decided or mine decided it's just calling. It's just I have to do it.
Smoke:I have to do it.
Ivan:Because totally fail, but I have to do it.
Smoke:And and and the truth is we can't we can't take away anyone else's suffering.
Ivan:No.
Smoke:If we're not well, you can try, but it will always backfire. And that and that was one of the things as I started to feel better and feel great, and then I felt bliss and happy, and I wanted to help everyone. And I I've come to now realize that I do wanna help everyone, but it's I want them to help themselves. And one of the things to do that is to help show them what is truth versus not, and and that's why we're doing this.
Ivan:You see, with that first session of ours when I bombarded you with all kinds of questions and navigating you, guiding you to one place, and that one place and only one place that can repair all the dysfunctions and damage or disconnection from the real. We live in simulation. So when you awake and then you realize, oh, I live I I lived under the dome. I was controlled. I was I was I was kept like a like a livestock.
Ivan:You know, cow. They can extract milk from me, my energy. And the energy extraction is when you release it unconsciously, when you release your emotions. I mean, emotion and the emotional energies released on this plane of existence is very valuable assets in the universe with all other species. They really thrive on what we release.
Ivan:You see? Another topic. So anyway so but, you know, to be healthy is to accept yourself in your totality. If you can accept yourself in your totality, you are in love with yourself. And when you are in love with yourself, only then you will be in love with everyone else.
Ivan:If you are not in love with yourself, then you are in murky water there. You know, there is a hate and love, which is not purity of love we are talking. Call it divine love. It's a love with conditions. I hate you.
Ivan:I love you so much, but at the same time, I hate you, but I'm not thinking about that because I'm so on one side of of equation. Mind is like pendulum, positive, negative. When I'm in positive mood, I'm so loving. But it's just a matter of time when this pendulum will shift on the other and I hate you. I want to damage you.
Ivan:I I become cruel. I become demanding and controlling. So that's not love. That's the mind with these equations pretending that I'm love. We are love together.
Ivan:It's like it's inevitable. It's like our destiny. You know? We have to here take life as it is and take and grab as much as we can. And that's the distortion again on another level.
Ivan:So in that totality, so ultimate acceptance is what compassion is. You become compassionate towards yourself and then compassion will radiate to everyone else. So, you know, we have been rejected. Since we came here, we've been rejected, controlled, embedded, beaten, told what to do, what not to do. It's like all kinds of ways to shape us into certain social product called the personality that we can contribute to the system of enslavement.
Ivan:And the hero journey is to find a way out. So we have been rejected from every corner of our reality. And that is why we don't see ourselves as healthy, and we seek our health. I mean, is a natural state of being. You're already healthy.
Ivan:But with this disconnection and the trauma and stress and tension, we are looking for things that is real in outside, forgetting
Smoke:Well, and, Ivan, the to that point, I don't think most people, before they go through this process, don't realize everything that we absorb goes into our subconscious. And so if we're watching television and we're watching violence or we're watching movies that have violence or, we're watching a commercial and it's talking about a disease and a and a medicine that will cure it, a pharmaceutical ad. All of those things are implanting in our subconscious that it's real. Our subconscious has no ability to tell the difference between real and not real. It just takes everything in.
Smoke:So it's our job to filter what goes in. We have to decide what where we have I'd love to elaborate you to tell me if you agree with this or if if I'm if I'm on my own track here. But I I believe that the free will that we do have is what goes into our subconscious, what we absorb, what we allow to come into us. And then what comes out of that is going to be whatever it's gonna be. We don't control that, but we control what goes in.
Smoke:So I made a very big change when I started this process. I eliminated television. I eliminated all news. I eliminated anything that I felt was not positive and negative and life affirming. All the only books I read, the only things I brought in, the only music is all positive.
Smoke:It's all things that are things that I wanted to bring into my subconscious. And what's happened over a number of years is I have purified myself at my subconscious level, so I don't have anything else coming up. There's nothing else coming up because I brought that in, and I don't allow it. I don't if something's on that I don't wanna see, I don't I don't allow that to come in because it it you don't even realize it's happening, but it happens.
Ivan:Yes. You see, people are seeing the time great healer. As you said, I'm a healer. I mean, I'm a healer to myself because the only healing is healing connecting to yourself, loving yourself, being yourself, accepting yourself. You see?
Ivan:So if you don't accept yourself, then you are diseased. So what I did and what I'm doing, I'm just guiding you. I'm pointing the finger to the moon, not to the reflection of the moon. I'm pointing to the direction of the moon because that's where the main source of that reflection is. And that is your health, your own state of being, your own wholeness, your own glory.
Ivan:When you accept yourself, then you're on the path of beautiful journey of self discovery and self realizations and meeting yourself on different levels. And everything that used to operate in that kind of negative dysfunctional state will repair itself. It will just disappear without you doing anything. So what I did first day was establishing the path that you can start accepting yourself. What I mean by accepting yourself, not just that me that is beautiful and lovely and I'm a good guy and I'm this and that, but also everything good and everything not good from your past that shaped you the way you are.
Ivan:So, the ultimate ultimate healing is when you accept your disease and when you love your disease. If you can love your disease, then you have all the power. You are connected. So you're not diseased anymore. And so then you are on the path to healing.
Ivan:So what I was doing with you is just reminding you to love yourself, even your failures, even your pain, even your everything that you are at the moment, all the stories and books and chapters from previous life or lives that shaped you right now. Where you're going with that? You can go as you if you have with your mind and disconnected, you can go to future bringing that past again, which is gonna be another difficulties and diseases and all kinds of deviations. Or you can connect yourself right now, and the future is gonna be very flexible for you and very generous for you. Universe is gonna be very generous because, you you are the universe, you know, and the bigger universe is in symbiosis, synchronicity with you.
Ivan:It's gonna provide not what you want, but what you what you, deserve in a way as your natural state, what you lost, but somehow invited all these lost pieces of you to come back home. Like, even back home, all these negative pieces, because they have to be together, positive, negative, like a yin yang. But you have to be behind, standing at a distance and watching, observing, witnessing that yin and yang play, and you are not attached to it. And that's the healing. Talk about what is health?
Ivan:You know, what is health? You know, what is healing? I mean, I talk about consciousness, but let me talk on the other level. Now that's part of that book Health is All About Consciousness that becomes bestseller at one point. What is healing?
Ivan:So the word holism, healing and holy, they all come from the word whole. To be healed means to be whole. So it means to experience yourself, you know, as part of the whole, as essential and existential part of the whole, to feel it, to know it, to be to be in intimate touch with your own multidimensionality and interconnectedness with all that is right now and here. So to be unhealthy means to be disconnected from the whole, from yourself. It is to experience yourself as being linear.
Ivan:And that linear reality is that duality that you don't experience anything beyond that line which has two points, a and b. That's why we live in this reality, past and future. You know? We worry about future because of our regret for our past. So healing happens when you ignite the consciousness, accept yourself, and accept those two dualities of you, they are beautifully dancing and giving and providing for you opportunities to meet yourself, to be conscious of yourself, to be more and more conscious of yourself.
Ivan:So after this little ceremony of us first meeting, you went really deep into that acceptance. So miracles start happening. Your physical body start changing. Your mind start calming down. Your emotions fluctuating everywhere.
Ivan:Now they are stable, you see? And of course, there are little bit disturbances here and there. I mean, they live in the reality where you can't be steady. I mean, you have to experience disease in order to be healthy. You have to experience lie in order to be ignited, pushed to seek the truth.
Ivan:Otherwise, what's the point of life? You know, the point of life is to push you to find the truth. So it's all these equations that are happening outside of us, but within us, it has to be that neutral witnessing point of me being aware of myself all the time. I'm aware of you, and you are aware of me. But am I aware of myself being aware of you?
Ivan:And whether you are aware of yourself by being aware of me, in that awareness of self we meet in that interconnectedness called wholeness.
Smoke:Yeah. It's beautiful. And what I find what I've learned is that when I come to every situation without expectations where I am just witnessing and trying to understand what am I supposed to learn here, what am I what am I supposed to experience here, what and I'm open. I I I see so much more than when I come already knowing in kind of really clear, like, here's what I you know, my kind of form of way of operating. And so when I'm dealing with people, even you know, it's at the coffee shop today, and I was getting a latte, and I was talking to the barista guy who was making my latte, and he was like, what are you doing today?
Smoke:I'm like, well, I'm recording my podcast. No. No. I normally would never have even told him something like that. I said and he said, what is it?
Smoke:Oh, it's the smoke trail. And I said said, what is it about? I said I told him. I said, spirituality and leadership, and how do we tie them together? And and he said, well, that's really good.
Smoke:Well, I and so I would never have had that conversation with him, but I was just open. And if because he asked, I I told him. And, you know, it and you never know what comes out of that.
Ivan:Of course, brother. Because now I can see when my work is done here, I'm I'm so proud of you, that you are thinking from your heart, not from your mind. When you're thinking from your heart, which is the feeling, feeling of being present, feeling of no restrictions, no fear, no anxiety, just being humble, open, vulnerable. I mean, why not? I'm gonna if I say I'm the if I say that I'm podcaster, then, you know, it's like, people will see as I'm praising myself while hunting for the clients or fishing for money or whatever, material goods, recognition, all of that.
Ivan:No, it's not. From this place, it's just pure sharing. I'm just sharing my innocent nature, beautiful wandering nature. I'm so excited doing it. Yeah.
Ivan:You see? And that's where the pure life is when you live your life right now in here. So being present right now in here, you are humble. And when you are humble, then you are in the process of healing. You know, you are not in denial.
Ivan:You are not in rejection or the fight. You are in total acceptance. Then the healing happens naturally spontaneously. And then everything that you experience is gonna be really valuable assets to your overall expansion of your consciousness, which is the expansion of the universe. So but but we live with so much burden, heaviness of our past.
Ivan:And our past is nothing else than unfinished experiences. They got embedded into our psyche, our mind, where we unconsciously think about it, while on semi consciousness, we have a strong will or desire or we are so eager to do this or do that, actually we don't know what we are doing, you see. Because every experience that has not been lived properly, accepted, integrated properly, whatever the experience, positive, negative, it doesn't matter, trauma, difficulties, happiness, weddings, parties, doesn't really matter. If you have not lived fully, you will repeat that experience in the future. All the experience will present itself for you to be accepted fully, meaning that part of you that lived over there a long time ago, you know, and were supposed to go through the experience, now piece of unresolved experience got stuck in your own thinking, that becomes denial of yourself.
Ivan:It becomes hardship. It becomes struggle. It becomes confusion and blindness. That's why we go around like zombies thinking we are powerful, you know, almighty, but it's nothing else than lost in equation of duality and trying to find a way out. So, you know, every experience wants to be finished, completed, absorbed, and included into your consciousness.
Ivan:The suppression
Smoke:of the
Ivan:experience becomes your depression. And when depression becomes, then all everything becomes unresolved, rejected, ignored, and accepted, you know, unaccepted, you know? And, existence will persist. That existence that is not finished will persist chasing you, haunting you, and finding you everywhere you go and whatever you do repeating itself and presenting yourself, accept me, love me, take me in. But people don't want to do that.
Ivan:They don't want to see negative part of themselves. They don't want to talk about past. They want to forget it. You can't forget your past. You can't forget it.
Smoke:Well, that's what I did you know, when we opened up the portal and experienced parts that I did forget. I I totally had blocked out as, you know,
Ivan:I Oh, forgot the enormous enormous chunk of that would kill you if you remember before meeting someone who can handle and
Smoke:navigate through Yes. And so but once it once we opened it up and I started I'm like, I had to find out everything else. So I I I kept digging, kept digging. I wanted to know everything, and I I I believe I found everything. But what I was able to do over time is recontextualize those experiences with an understanding, a different understanding, a different perspective so that I understand.
Smoke:And I actually as you know, I went through this process of forgiving everyone and everything and myself and all everything that happened, but also then getting me on that to a point of, really, there's nothing to forgive. You know, the the reality is, you know, things were done for reasons that I could learn things, and the people doing them were in ignorance and and not knowing what they were doing or they were just animal reacting as machines, and and there was nothing to forgive, really. So I've gotten to the point that I've completely recontextualized everything. And what it's done, Ivan, is given me the ability to hold space for really anybody, any trauma, anything that someone has that they're that they're struggling with. As a result, I think I've told shared this with you, but more and more, people just come to me with some problem, which in the old days, I was feeling like, hey.
Smoke:Let's go get a drink and change the subject. Today, I'm like, okay. Well, tell me about it. And it's not to have sympathy. It's not to take the burden of their problem on, but it's that I think their their higher self knows that my self has healed and can hold that space for them to listen and to hear and to reflect back on what healing looks like.
Ivan:Yes, brother. You see, I'm gonna a little bit shift somewhere else. You see, the mind. We we started talking about mind. Is there any mind?
Ivan:No. Only thoughts. Are the thoughts real? No. They're compensation for lack of awareness, for lack of presence in the moment of now.
Ivan:You're not being conscious of yourself. You are conscious of everything outside. In that consciousness of outside without addressing the person who is conscious of that, including yourself in that conscious aspect of relationship with thinks, call it, and nothing, with think and no think, you see, with this relationship has to be formed in a way of interrelating, interconnecting, as I said, negative and positive are together. So, the mind as an illusionary aspect of us, as controllable aspect of us that put us in the prison called life. You know, the mind through unfinished experiences is giving you a future full of desires and expectations and hopes.
Ivan:You know, every hope is hopelessness because future can never happen. It cannot happen. Because right now is life, and you are not present in now. You are present in your past. So when your past is acting and giving you ideas and impulses and thoughts and action, what to do, then you are immediately transported into future as expectations, desires, and hopes.
Ivan:That's why I said hope is hopelessness because it's not going to give you real. It's going to give you another projection. See? So every hope is hopelessness. If you bring awareness into unfinished experience stored in your mind as memory, and you accept that unconditionally.
Ivan:I'm just repeating this unconditional, unconditional, meaning not taking sides. Oh, I love this, I love that. No. I just like I don't know what is real here. I know it's a real play between those two aspects, but I'm just a neutral observer of it.
Ivan:And that neutral observer is innocence, simplicity, you know, compassion, and humbleness, all these aspects that are coming as a reflection or resonating from ultimate love that you are. So and the healing is simple formula that I was applying with you all the time is allow, accept, with gratitude, and let go. And I told you, brother, so many times, just say thank you. Just say it's simple. It's not politeness, English politeness.
Ivan:Thank you. Thank you. But no, no. It's just a real thank you. Then you can say it.
Ivan:You don't have to say it. It's you who is grateful for what you are experiencing right now. Because what you're experiencing right now is you in all kinds of equations, possibilities, and situations. You know, you are out there in my favorite place in Sedona. Mean, That equation is you.
Ivan:You know, you are feeling that space with your energy, and that energy is filling space within you. So it's that connection, deep one, intimate one. And that intimate connection with all that is right now, life that is happening right now, can happen with just simple formula. Allow, accept, with gratitude let go. So allowing is really difficult for the mind.
Ivan:Mind cannot allow anything. Mind is gonna judge and allow this peace, that peace, but mind will never allow fullness of the experience of things that is within us or presented to us, a situation or happening, you see. And that's why if you can accept ultimately everything that is where you are, who you are, what you are at the moment, with no preference point, with no trying to change this way or that way, move it, just fullness of acceptance, then you are tapping into that life that it's healing you and not you healing yourself. Because your body is self healing mechanism, you see? And then it's gonna heal and give you more space and more freedom and more energy to go deeper into experiences of life, you know, and deeper levels of mystery that we are as we are.
Ivan:That's it. So being aware of yourself is the pivotal moment, you know, and pivotal, call it, state, tool, way to come to the real. You, truthful, loving, beautiful you, that is always in the process of healing. So healing is not a state, but it is a process of your consciousness steadily flickering and moving in that equation, like a now it's flickering. Now it's here, now it's not.
Ivan:And there is another now, the same as previous now. No, there is another now, the same as the previous one. It's a continuation of this moment flickering. So our consciousness is flickering all the time. But if you can make this flicker steady, being aware of yourself.
Ivan:When you are aware of yourself, that's the flicker. You're aware of other people. Consciousness is flickering. Frontier consciousness is dreaming. It starts bringing the light when you pay attention to yourself.
Ivan:So everything has to be included within yourself. You have to be conscious of yourself all the time. And that's where the full acceptance of who you are happens. And the healing is inevitable. It's a process.
Ivan:Whatever happens, I'm okay. You see, I never got sick, really, more than ten minutes, twenty minutes. The longest was fifteen years ago when I was for a day really sick. And Lana said, are you going to die? I said, I'm sinking into darkness, my son my and my honey.
Ivan:So it's not that I don't want to. I totally accept. And I just ask my body, that's not me. It is mine, but I'm not my body. And also, I'm not my mind.
Ivan:It is part of me at the moment. But when I go and die from this reality and go somewhere else, I don't take my mind with me. I take the frequency, what I learn, what I experience. I gain with myself and then bring it to that reality. So I abandon this mind.
Ivan:I mean, it's not abandoning it. It's just like it's being disconnected naturally because I came to the truth. So illusion will just simply disappear. So the mind will go into social. All the thoughts are gonna be dismantled, and I'm gonna go there.
Ivan:So
Smoke:Well, I think I think, Ivan, that makes now to me perfect sense, and I I, my flicker is more constant than ever before. Right? And and it's always a process of reminding myself reminding myself. And because it because this reality is so intense, and it does the the senses and the the visual and the feeling, it all comes at you. And you and so it it's very easy to get lost in it.
Smoke:So I I appreciate everything you said. But one of the one thing that I wanted to kind of to bring out is that if if anyone is watching and they're this far along, they're obviously on the path. They're on some path because we're not gonna have
Ivan:they're plus they are.
Smoke:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're not gonna be so they're already on the path. So but but, you know, I run as you know, like, a lot of my friends are very successful.
Smoke:You know, they run companies. A lot of, you know, your clients, kind of people, you know, very successful and very in the in the material world, they've done very well. And if they're on the path, which is wonderful, and my objective is to help anyone who's on the path with their path in any way that I can be to to point them in the right direction. But one of one of the things that I see all the time because I'm in it is there's so many outside solutions that are coming at us, whether it's this diet or this supplement or this practice or plant medicine or it's energy healing or it's sound bath or it's these new technologies and all you know, there's all kinds of new new technologies and peptides and various things that you can do that help improve your health in it. And I'm not against any of it.
Smoke:It some it much of it can be useful and helpful. So it's not rejected. No. But if it if if everything you're doing is is searching and seeking outside, you're missing the point. You don't need any of that.
Smoke:You don't need any of those practices, any of those things if you get what you just said right, if you get the consciousness right. Now can those things be helpful? Yes. The is is it better to eat organic food and to drink protein shakes and to get out and exercise and hike on these mountains than sit at home and not any potato chips. Of course.
Smoke:Of course, it's better. But the most important thing is consciousness. Like, I I can and and and it's and and I have decided my ice cream that I love is good for me. And so I get to eat it whenever I want, and it's the it is good for me, and it's perfectly fine.
Ivan:It's perfectly fine. You see, there are two kinds of people on on this earth. One, one that seeks health outside and one that accepts healing within inside. It's not seeking health inside. It's accepting.
Ivan:There are two ways. Those are very rare people. You know, you are one, I am one, and there are others I know, you know. But more and more people are awakening to that power within, which is you are the healer. Healing.
Ivan:You are the medicine, and life is a ceremony. Life is a building. You see? Yes, outside can complement to your process of healing, but it's not it's not gonna determine where I go with that. If I resonate with that, I go.
Ivan:But if I'm not with myself, if I don't accept and love myself the way I am originally, then I will go and ask for help somewhere else. I'm gonna give my consciousness to my doctor, to priests, exorcists, I don't know whom, politicians, everyone to use and abuse me because I don't believe in myself. I don't trust myself. I don't see myself as valuable aspect of the wholeness. And that's what indoctrination is.
Ivan:That's what mind is and diseases are formed from that point.
Smoke:Well, you know what you told me early on, and I don't think I understood it then, but now I do. You said, if it gives you energy, follow it. You said go where your energy is. And so he said, if it makes you excited, then do it. And if it doesn't make you excited, don't do it.
Smoke:And and he said, you told me, don't do anything small. Do big things and but only if it makes you excited. And if it doesn't make you excited, stay away from it. Say no.
Ivan:Just this is like this is beautiful what you just said. It's, you know, I never followed anybody. I I don't have a teacher. It's like like, I I can, I can, you know, I can relate to the state to statement of, quote, whether he said that or not, I don't know? Mozart, they asked me they asked him, Who was your teacher?
Ivan:He said, Me. I am my teacher to myself. But someone has to he said, No, maybe are there, but, you know, I'm mainly teaching. Help me helping helping me here and there, but I am my own teacher. So doing it to myself, with myself, for myself, it's I have a little quote which, explain everything.
Ivan:You are not accidental victim of life. You know? Everything everything in life happens from you, through you, and it's for you. So you are the master. You know?
Ivan:If you give mastery to someone else, then you're diseased. Take the mastery back. Be that health that you are. Don't believe in it. Trust it.
Ivan:Melt with it. There's no need to persuasion. It resonates with the soul. They are pulsating. You just have to connect to it with the trust, trusting yourself ultimately.
Ivan:And while trusting yourself ultimately, then what to do here? I mean, if you're neutral, you know, you're like people say, oh, then I'm doing nothing. I'm a zombie. I'm not progressing. Yeah.
Ivan:You're not making decisions. Life is gonna make decisions for you. And the life or universe or if you believe in God, God is making decisions for you through excitement. And excitement is a state of bliss. It's like I'm excited about everything.
Ivan:I'm excited about, you know, I can go into details. When I'm excited about that and resonates with my soul, I just go without question. I never ask why. If I ask why, if I start doubting, then excitement that is the soul, that's my being around my heart, I become disconnected and got locked in my mind. You know saying?
Ivan:And that is compassion, grief, and collection of things that I don't need just for the sake of saving my own ego. That's the just float you know, floating overflow overflowing bubble or whatever, you know, balloon.
Smoke:Well, one thing you said, I'll reframe, you said you had no teachers, but you actually told me that your son your son was your greatest teacher, and we all have teachers. Right? But they're not maybe not in in a robe and who's very enlightened. It's a teacher that is there to reflect something to us. Right?
Ivan:Of course. You know, one one one situation with my son, Kai, you know, he we will he was four. And Alana and I, we were in argument Very like Italian. He was like, everywhere. It's like everyone's talking.
Ivan:No one understanding each other, but everyone understands each other. And, we were discussing, talking about the reason for life of cockroach. What's the reason? I mean, Helena was she's a scientist. I'm not.
Ivan:So she's logical. I am somewhere else. I was now imagine. I said, I'll I'll talk. And, I said, but it could be some reason.
Ivan:I mean, like and I was trying to find a reason, and I could not find any reason. And we were talking about that. And you see, I'm right. And Kai was listening and said, Silly mom and dad. That's what he said.
Ivan:Silly mom and dad. And we looked at him and he said he was playing with his Lego or whatever. And he said, the reason for cockroaches' life is their being. Being is the reason. Just a being.
Ivan:I said, fuck. And that changed everything within me. Yeah. And then I experienced all kinds of epiphanies and realizations. And I it's like Kai opened a portal for me to explore that being that I made in denial, confusion.
Ivan:Lionel was fighting to deprive that being of being, you know, and me trying to find a reason to adjust, you know, to you know, to accept his being. But it was just being. It's just you being yourself is the reason for life. You know? And if you find that yourself in your life, then, you know, reason is not gonna be finished.
Ivan:There are many others because it's life is infinite, and it gives you all kinds of other aspect from this, you know, cosmic, call it, holographic geometry, perfect holographic geometry that we all, you know, create within ourselves and reality we interact with.
Smoke:Something that I I have I don't know how I know it, but it's it's come to me, and it's it's true. And that is we all have this ability to recognize our consciousness and to elevate, and we everyone in this in this planet does. But very few people do it, and very few people realize it. More people are doing it now, I think, than ever before, and it's becoming easier in some ways. But there's also lots of things in the way, and they aren't just natural.
Smoke:I think that there are there are groups, there are entities, there are other other forces that are here in the way interfering with humanity and it making it harder than it ought to be. Now it is what it is. You still have to do it. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if there's entities or there's no entities.
Smoke:So everyone has to do it. But I do think that there is there is something going on, and and that's one reason I also feel that those of us who understand have to share because because when people hear the truth, they know it at their soul, and they can they can break out of the spell. But when they don't hear it and all they hear is the the polarization and the the the noise that many much of which is designed to create enemies and create opposition within each other so that we don't realize this. We we fight each other instead of elevating. And I think it's very important that we're having these conversations.
Ivan:Yes. You can deny other energies that are really playing important part in this reality, the challenging reality. You know? And, we can easily get consumed by the reality, you know, be taken for granted and taken for a ride, holocaust, know, whatever, the spinning wheel. That's called samsara, isn't it?
Ivan:So, you know, a spinning wheel is just coming and going, coming and going, being trapped in this equation of duality. And this entrapment is light and darkness. So we are experiencing that you know, people are calling it war between light and dark. I mean, in outside reality, there is obviously war. You can see it.
Ivan:You can listen to the news. I mean, all the news in America, particularly ninety nine point nine percent of news is negative. It's like, how can you really be yourself if you are bombarded with negativity all the time when all these entities and energies are pushing you to be disconnected from yourself, to be in kind of oblivion. And the oblivion disconnection is self possession, self obsession, and self glorification. And that's the ego, that's the mind, that's the personality character.
Ivan:And when you have that, then you are used and abused by all forces that are visible and invisible. You see? So whether that's government, whether those are aliens or demons or we call it evil, there's no evil. You know? There is disconnection, and disconnection is evil.
Ivan:So we are Yeah.
Smoke:It's it's either for for life or against life. Right? It's it's
Ivan:A sin. The only sin. You know? It's not abandoning God what people think about outside. It's abandoning yourself that because you are part of the God.
Ivan:When you abandon yourself, then you have a feeling of being abandoned by God. So you have to preserve yourself and find a way that you can save yourself. That's why people chase money, reputation, prestige, whatever they are chasing. Chasing illusions, chasing shadows. And that's what and evil is gonna play this play of illusions, of dreams.
Ivan:But it's also designed that way because you can't learn love without being in a situation or state of not loving, not being loved, not
Smoke:listening to And and we we can transcend all that. You know, I I don't like the there's the appeal there's a lot of people that call it a spiritual war, and and then at one level, that's true. But at another level, there's no spiritual war. It's it's only a war within yourself to clear yourself of the energies and to realize yourself. And if you do that, they can't those energies can't can't affect you.
Smoke:Can't you you're they they can't touch you.
Ivan:No. You know, the energies can can really treat you like you are a cow, you know, and extract everything that can be extracted from you and keep you on the, you know, alive but not well, just to extract everything because of the mind. You know, the mind is disease. That's how disease is. When you think certain thoughts, you're affecting the reality.
Ivan:You're affecting your body. You are in disconnected states. It can go left, it can go right. But if want if the energy has to go right or be absolutely truthful and present as it is, real, then you have to withdraw yourself from your mind. You have to distance yourself from that.
Ivan:That does not mean that you have to kill your mind as people are thinking. No, you have to love your mind, but then be the master of the mind, not allow the mind to take you here and there. You follow your feeling. You follow your heart, and then universe heart will decide whether to go left or right. Going right does not mean it's gonna be beautiful all the time.
Ivan:No. It's gonna turn on the other side, pendulum and swing. But you are ready for even that. You are ready for everything that is happening in reality. But if you are not ready, then you're gonna be judgmental in your mind.
Ivan:So when you are unbalanced, the mind dominates. It dominates you totally. When you are in balance, the mind is not in control. Mind is there at potential. You can activate it.
Ivan:And when you activate the mind, it's only for that particular thing you wish or desire or need, whether to accomplish something. If you ask me a question, I have to activate my mind in order to respond to your question. Otherwise, I don't have this kind of, you know, conversation that I'm having with you with my mind all the time as people are doing it twenty four hours a day, just constant talking with yourself. Talking, talking, and not really being yourself and realizing who the one is talking here. You see, you are not your mind.
Ivan:You have never been your mind, and you will never be your mind. It's just adaptation. It's just compensation. Lack of consciousness that has to flicker. It has to ignite itself.
Ivan:It's an infinite fire burning. You know, it's constant. You are the master of your mind, you know, especially when you are experiencing something disturbing. The ego mind needs to take control and to escape. Don't run that away.
Ivan:Accept, embrace, love it. I love my enemies. I love my demons. I love everything that is challenging me because everything that is challenging me, it's me challenging myself through that aspect energy being challenging me, situation happening, whatever. I'm challenging myself.
Ivan:I am creating my hardship. I am creating my happiness. And I am creating my neutrality in between those two equations. And that neutrality is consciousness. And consciousness is beyond the mind.
Ivan:It's the field of infinite possibilities. And you said at the beginning, you want to talk about consciousness and the mind and all of that. But there is something beyond the consciousness. And beyond the consciousness is that pure oneness. We call it awareness.
Ivan:You know? I have to call it infinite awareness, ultimate awareness, that awareness that is always aware. But at the moment we are here conscious, but we are not conscious. We are semi conscious because we did not include ourselves in this consciousness. So we have to include outside and inside into one is be aware of who am I and be aware of you.
Ivan:Be aware of you talking and listening. Be aware at the same time of my talking and my listening. Then there's a connection. Connection is healing. Connection, intimate connection, loving connection is healing.
Ivan:Infinite healing. And that's
Smoke:your message. And that's that's the middle point. Right? That's the point. Yeah.
Ivan:That's the middle point. So make a conscious choice, you know, make a conscious choice at this point not to allow yourself to engage in deep thinking. When you not to be engaged in deep thinking is just being aware of your thinking. Oh, there's a thinking there. Just like, Who is thinking here?
Ivan:Ask the question. Am I thinking? Who am I? Who is the one who is saying I'm thinking? Who is that one beyond that who is saying I'm thinking?
Ivan:I mean, we can go and split this cake into so many layers and eat it and, you know, crave more and more, but it's never ending. You see? It has to end at one point. As you said, I'm more myself. I'm excluding everything.
Ivan:I'm more including. So I'm not not this political inclusion, but ultimate inclusion. Inclusion like in Sanskrit, there are three genders. There are three genders. It's not LGB, QN, whatever.
Ivan:It's male, female, and neutral. Neutral is not male or female. It's pure consciousness, being conscious of itself, attaining awareness. Awareness of what? Of nothing, no thing.
Ivan:Because only when you attain no thing do you come to think. You know, material existence comes from immaterial existence. What is real is coming from that what we consider unreal, but is more real than what we think that's real. So beyond duality, beyond all equations, positive, negative, is the middle point. The middle point of observer, of witness, of someone who is watching, not thinking.
Ivan:It can think, but just watching. If something is really there in that happening, what you're observing is going to be embedded in you. It's going to come home to you. It's going to be completed. You know, this soul that you seeded yourself, your soul is everywhere.
Ivan:But you are not aware of that everywhere. You are only aware of here, but not of now. That everywhere is now. Here is this reality. So when you become aware of here and now, here and there, absolutely aware, neutral in your awareness, you know, then you become ultimate that you attain that what we were talking about.
Ivan:That's called ultimate consciousness. Yeah. We can go forever around and around and around. Like, someone asked me, why are repeating yourself? I said, because you are not listening.
Smoke:Well, my friend, I will, first of all, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Really appreciate it. I I think this has been awesome.
Smoke:We could have many more conversations, and I hope I hope you will, join me and talk further about different aspects of things. And I look forward to going on retreat with you and and helping others. We're gonna do later this year. And so if people wanna get ahold of you and want to learn more about your work, the website is Intronaut. Yes?
Ivan:Yes. Intronaut as, like, opposite of astronaut. Intronaut is the person who travels within. My name, Ivan Rados dot com and all other social medias. Just type Ivan Rados.
Ivan:You're gonna find something. If you're gonna find something.
Smoke:I would write highly recommend and especially help in consciousness and create yourself is incredible. And and then the other books, the mystery of love, the latest one is a beautiful book as well. It just depends on where you are in your journey, but I think they're all really useful and helpful. And I've gotten a lot out of them. More more out of being with you in person.
Ivan:And just recently, I talked to my beloved and said, honey, have you seen that my books are getting more complicated? And I'm I you know, she said she said, but you can you can you can be very simple and you're going to succeed. I said, But that's not my goal. I don't have any goal, you know, but I know where I'm going with it. But I already published 12 books, and they're going deeper and deeper and deeper.
Smoke:Yep.
Ivan:It seems like I am creating all these books that are not distributed around the world. The one that got distributed was Transform Yourself. The other one was, Health is All About Consciousness published by Namaste. So it was all over the world. The reason why I'm going into deeper and deeper and losing people and, you know, people are saying, I don't understand you anymore.
Ivan:I say, I'm not really trying to persuade you or bring you dogma. I am creating these I mean, not me, but whoever is creating these books for those rare individuals. They want to go deeper into understanding the mechanism of our mind. When you understand the mechanism of the mind, meaning it is thinking, assumptions, thoughts, theories, this or that, and then understanding how do your mind operate. And by understanding that, you will understand what the mind is.
Ivan:And every realization of everyone who is on this pilgrimage of finding the truth will come to the same conclusion. And that conclusion is there is no mind. So no mind is that consciousness I'm talking. And to come to that no mind, to that health we started this conversation that is infinitely flowing within you, you need to meditate. And meditation is not something you are doing, but something you are being.
Ivan:Meditation is a state of being. So someone asked me recently, you know, what is the right way to meditate? Like, I said, you know, if you're asking for the right way to meditate, are coming from the point of not knowing what meditation is. You know, because if you know what meditation is, then you will understand what's right and what's not because then you will have a greater understanding. And I said to this person, You're asking the wrong person that question.
Ivan:Why don't you ask Dalai Lama? Dalai Lama can answer easily. You know, there's heaven, there's hell. You know, there's nothing in between, you see. And, you have to listen to Dalai Lama.
Ivan:Otherwise, my answer will confuse you totally because it's not for you. It's for those rare individuals. They tap into it, not because I'm promoting it and it's in bookshelves and it's like all over the place praising my books. It's just over there. If you intuitively are attracted to it with your excitement to read it, something is gonna happen.
Ivan:It always does because there is a jewel in it. There is some little seed that is going to grow within you. Because I cannot really give you the truth. I cannot give you healing. I can point towards the path where the healing is and the truth is, and that's you.
Ivan:I can only point the finger to you. Whatever question you ask me, my answer will be this one. It's you. Ask me any question, I'm gonna say, that's it. Is there any evil in the world?
Ivan:Yes. Where is that evil? It's like it's over there.
Smoke:Yep.
Ivan:Oh, I I can also say it's here. It's that evil and good, it's within us. You know? And if we allow this battle to go there, we are gonna shift and be so mesmerized and confused, hypnotized. But if we distance ourselves and see these equations sticking, not being those little equations that the thought energy is shifting here and there going up and going down and just watching it, then we will find that neutrality, peaceful
Smoke:It's it's rising rising above the rising above the polarity. It's Rising above polarity.
Smoke:And then You could see it.
Smoke:Yeah.
Ivan:Being in polarity, but attaining that nondual point of being, and that's where the infinite consciousness is. So yeah.
Smoke:Thank you, my friend.
Ivan:So just let me let me just say just one one word. If I talk about right and wrong, always are the right ways and also always are the wrong ways. And if you say that there's a wrong and a right way to meditate, you're in reality. So don't ever decide what's right and wrong because that's the real stone in your shoes that's gonna give you hardship if you try to do it. You have to take these shoes out and, you know, life is gonna be comfortable.
Ivan:If you just say life is, whether it's right or not, who am I to decide? You see, I have to live it because there's no other way. Life is full of these right and wrong, but I'm not making those right and wrong decisions. But even if I make wrong decision and I fail, that's the right decision and the right attainment. Because if you learn from this, of course, it's an absolute decision, ultimate decision.
Ivan:That doesn't come from the mind, but it comes from the excitement, from the feeling, from divine, from you that is infinite and glorious as you right now in here. Yep. Finish this, brother.
Smoke:Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I will see you again soon.
Ivan:Love that scenery behind you. Yeah. Just couple of meters away. If you would just move your camera over there a little bit.
Ivan:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stop.
Ivan:Stop. Stop. Between between those two bushes over there Yeah. In the middle, I was sitting and meditating for three hours, and I was sweating, but I could not I'm gonna get up because there's a really wicked energy over there. I say wicked, it can challenge you, but it's so blissful, but it can challenge you. You have to be alone there and sit and meditate. It can be a little bit scary if you go deep into meditation.