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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. If you go down the rabbit hole of trying to understand how and why humanity got to the place it is right now, where it feels like we're kind of living in an open air prison. Now, of course, we have some great freedom, especially here in America. But if you really start digging and kinda die going deep below the system, what you understand is that there are systems and hidden systems that are set in place to give us the illusion of freedom, but in reality, are actually enslaving us.
Speaker 1:And one of these biggest systems is the financial system. And so if you're watching this show, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that the Federal Reserve is not in fact a federal company. Surprise. Right? It is a system of private banks and elite banking families that has been set up as a way to kind of use debt to capture nations, etcetera, and here we are living in this system.
Speaker 1:Now I have always been very reluctant and suspicious of things like the stock market or any of these larger financial, institutions that are created by these same people that have enslaved us with debt and usury, and so I've avoided it. But there's also a lot to understand about the stock market, and it can be a tool that you can use that gives you certain advantages. But the key is you have to understand how to not get used by that system. Right? So you can use it, but just make sure you don't get used by it.
Speaker 1:Because if you look at how the stock market and 04/2001 k's and these things have played out in America, it's been a great way for these elite banking families to suck up all the wealth of the people into some sort of system that they have control over. And I've just been really suspicious of that, which is why I'm just kind of like a, hey, give me a chunk of silver I can bury in my backyard. But joining me today is a guy named Mark Wilburn. So he's the president of a company called Neos Capital. And he is a financial guy.
Speaker 1:He's a stock market guy, but he has, understands cycles and predictions of what's happening. And so what he understands though is he understands the stock market, which is helpful. But what's most important is that he gets the idea that, you know, and they're saying that you and I probably share, which is that this is an evil system from its inception, right, than a financial reserve. Like, he actually he visited Jekyll Island as a kid, funny enough, on that little on a field trip for school. So he understands what this system is, but he also knows there are ways that we can still use this system.
Speaker 1:And so what he's gonna be talking about today with me, a, we're gonna be going over just the bigger picture of just what this what the role this global financial system plays, right, and how the stock market is rigged. And it's not just insider trading from Nancy Pelosi. It's so much bigger than that. And so we're talking about that. But we're also gonna be getting into just some different techniques and perspectives and, just things that he tools that he uses to be able to still play and and kind of make money within that, yet not be taken advantage of and not be enslaved by it.
Speaker 1:And so we'll be getting into this more as we get through the show, but he also has a he's doing a free five day boot camp. It's an hour a day for five days where he's walking you through a lot of the principles that we'll be talking about in today's interview, but he goes way more in-depth, obviously, in a, you know, five day, one hour course, you know, process. So we'll have all the details for that in the show, but this will be enjoyable for you. And it was actually a really enjoyable inter for me interview for me as well because, again, I tend to just look at the stock market like I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole unless it's like a like a small mining stock or something. But he actually opened my eyes a little bit to understanding, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:So there are ways that you can kinda game this system a little bit, but also looking at, you know, what do you do if there's a massive collapse. Right? Because a lot of people talking about, even I've talked a lot about this as well, that our financial system is kind of on the edge of some sort of massive change. Right? There's discussions of CBDC.
Speaker 1:There are, you know, the dedollarization campaigns happening. The stock market is at this all time high, but there's this AI bubble. So what happens and what do you do if all of a sudden you wake up on a Monday morning and there's been a 30% drop in the market? There are actually different things you can do to take advantage of that. Because what you notice is that throughout history, when there are those big shifts and even when there's big catastrophes or depressions, the people that know what they're doing make a lot of money.
Speaker 1:And typically, it's just these wealthy people that have insight that use those opportunities to buy everything up for pennies on the dollar. So we'll begin getting into all this and more. It's gonna be a fun interview. I hope you enjoy it. Mark is a he's a solid guy.
Speaker 1:We've got a lot in common. We're talking before the interview. We've got, you know, similar with the homeschooling our kids and and different things. So, hopefully, it's it's helpful for you. I learned a lot from it.
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Speaker 1:Open an account, then step away from the big banks for good. So it's wallet.rumble.com, or just search for Rumble Wallet in the app stores. Alright. So please now enjoy this interview with Mark Wilburn. Mister Mark Wilburn, man, it's good to have you on the show.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for being here with us today.
Speaker 2:Thank you for inviting us, man. We're excited to have this conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's good. And I'll I'll let you give yourself a little more background than I did in the introduction, but one thing I'm excited about is that I've all but completely avoided anything to do with stock the stock market. I've got a little bit of, like, some mining stocks just because it's to me, it's an extension of just my belief in precious metals, but I've really just looked at the stock market as being a rigged game. It's you know, like, I I just I I don't like kinda stepping into that territory, right, where my assets become just numbers on the screen.
Speaker 1:I'm, like, watching and seeing what's happening in that way. But I know that, you know, gold and silver, while they've gone up a lot, you know, they don't give you returns every month, right, unless you are buying, it goes up, you're selling, and you're doing some things, which that's just not my philosophy. So I'm looking forward to digging into this. I think that you, in talking before we started recording here, that, you know, you have a lot of the same, I guess, perspective and, I think, ideals about how things work. And so, anyway, I guess I'll let you Lou, you give yourself a a quick introduction, and then we can just kinda jump right in.
Speaker 2:Sounds great. I come from a standpoint very similar to yours as far as my approach to the stock market. I'm a huge believer using it because I do believe it's a great vehicle to create wealth. You just don't want to store your wealth exclusively there. So one of the things that we teach our students is when you're making money in the market, the goal is to pull that out and then transfer it into tangible assets that you can feel in touch.
Speaker 2:Because like you said, you don't want your assets digitized. What happens if they come pull the plug on that? What happens if there's a run-in banks? And, you know, in 2013, that was actually an experiment done in Cyprus that I call it an experiment. For them, it wasn't, where the government literally went in and took all money over a $100,000 from their bank account and just confiscated that money in 2013.
Speaker 2:And so if you have that that type of situation, how do you protect yourself? So looking at the stock market historically, it is an incredible vehicle to grow your wealth and potentially do it exponentially. The goal, however, is to turn what you create on a screen into something tangible, whether it's real estate, gold, silver, etcetera. Don't wanna just have it stored there. You wanna be able to use it.
Speaker 2:And so that's a very similar similar philosophy that you have when we have. But you do have to have money in the markets so that you can use it to generate extra money. Yeah. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It does, actually. It's kinda like you you're surgical with it. Right?
Speaker 1:It's like, you know, if you have a SEAL team, they go in, they carry out the operation, they get out of there, right, with a with a head in a bag or whatever it is their objective is.
Speaker 2:Right? Exactly.
Speaker 1:And so and so now now and what's your, like, what's your your, I guess, stock background? Right? Like, how how did you get into finance? Like, what's your, you know I guess this is kinda newer territory and for me in terms of of stocks. So I guess, what what does it gives you your, I guess, your your foundation in this?
Speaker 2:I totally fell into it by chance. Totally fell into it by chance. I had a a marketing and real estate degree in college. I was planning on fully going into real estate. I got into the mortgage origination world where I was creating, you know, helping people get loans and interest rates and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Moved to Florida during the right before the housing crisis hit. That completely wiped the real estate stuff and got literally got involved in a multilevel marketing company just by chance. A buddy of mine, he kept he was really good at stalking you, if that makes sense. You know, if you've ever been in an MLM, they keep keep inviting you to it. And I'd already sworn him off.
Speaker 2:I I had a terrible experience with one. I swore him off, said I'd never do this again. But just so he would stop bugging me, I went to the presentation. I got involved. Did really well, Seth.
Speaker 2:I mean, I took my company to making, like, $2,000 a week in that. And then things just start the dominoes fell. The house of cards started collapsing. And I called a buddy of mine in Texas. He actually lived in San Antonio at the time.
Speaker 2:His name was Chris Johansson, and told him what was happening. He was in the same company, just a cross line rather than a down line, if you understand that lingo. And I told him my problem. He said, Mark, you should take your own advice. I said, okay.
Speaker 2:What's that? He said, what you're doing is not doing. Do something different. I said, man, I am. I'm prospecting.
Speaker 2:I'm going here. I'm I'm stalking people at Starbucks and telling them they look like sharp young business people. I don't know what else to do. He said, no. No.
Speaker 2:No. I'm saying if this business isn't working, do a different business, which struck me because he was supposed to be making, you know, 250 k a year. And so I asked him I said, hey. Just be really honest with me. Are you making this level of money?
Speaker 2:He's like, absolutely not. So what are you doing? He says, if you can fly from Tampa, Florida to Tyler, Texas this weekend, I'll show you what I'm doing. Kid you not, I had been dating a girl who lived in Tyler, Texas over the last year and a half. I decided that I wanted to propose to her, bought plane tickets three months earlier, and two months prior to this conversation, she broke up with me, completely ended it.
Speaker 2:But I had the plane ticket, and it was for that very weekend from Tampa to Tyler, Texas. So I took that as a a god sign, jumped on an airplane, saw a presentation on stock trading, purchased their package that they offered, got involved in it, and took $10,000, turned it into $50,000 my first six months. And after that, I was hooked. And the company found out what I'd done. They invited me to come be a a teacher with them about a year and a half later, and that just kinda set me on a path of really engaging the stock market.
Speaker 2:And it's been a huge blessing to me and my family. But as I've matured in it as I've matured in it, one of the things that that I've realized is you don't wanna have all of your eggs in that particular basket like we were talking about. You know, you do wanna diversify into metals, gold, silver, real estate, those other tangible physical assets as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Which I couldn't agree more with that. And so, before we kinda jump in more, so you you mentioned students, everything. And so you part of what you do is you you train. And if I understand correctly, you've got a a boot camp coming up, which is a free boot camp.
Speaker 1:Right? That is really if I understand correctly, it's kinda like stock market one zero one, but it's not like stock market one zero one taught by your TD adviser, which is, like, here's here's how the Federal Reserve's gonna own you. Right? Basically, it's you understand these things from the perspective of someone that understands the Federal Reserve, understands the corrupt system that we live within. Right?
Speaker 1:So Mhmm. Give give us a quick, yeah, we'll talk about more at the end of the show, this boot camp, and we'll have all the links from in the description. But what is this this boot camp that's coming up?
Speaker 2:So we call it our zero trading boot camp because if you come in with zero knowledge, you'll be able to walk away with a strategy you can implement. And I love how you're talking about being surgical, like the Navy SEAL coming in with the head in the back. Because one of the biggest downfalls people have when they get into the stock market is this unrealistic expectation of profit. Do you remember GameStop a couple years ago when it went crazy? Everyone's talking about, oh, you know, FOMO and just buying it.
Speaker 2:People still have that expectation. They think I'm gonna buy the stock, and it's gonna go up a hundred, two hundred, 300%. And it the truth is it could. Most likely, it won't. Right?
Speaker 2:So the the probability is there or the possibility is there, but the probability is not, if you wanna put it in language. And so what we do is we tell people how to be very surgical with your entries, with your exits, and we have people literally leaving that boot camp, whether you're brand new, you've got a little bit of experience, or you have a lot of experience improving their trading and engaging the markets with confidence from that surgical standpoint. And so that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. Okay. As I mentioned, all these links are gonna be in the show description, and we'll come back to that. And so, you know, it's interesting, actually, because I think that, and again, not myself, I'm someone that I think I really practice what I preach. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, I'm just a precious metals, as I mentioned. I have a little bit of stock in a couple of mining companies. It's nothing to write home about. And but what I see, though, from friends, especially family, especially like my mom's generation, right? So I turned 40 this year.
Speaker 1:So, you know, people that are in their sixties and seventies that I'm talking to, I'm seeing, for a lot of them, they just look at the stock market as just like their store of wealth. It's like that's just their asset. They've got for a lot of people, like, they have a lot of their assets as outside of their own house, right, or maybe a rental property. They've got most of their tied up into a four zero one k or an IRA or just sitting in the stock market that someone else is managing for them. And that's just it's like they don't they don't they're not surgical with it.
Speaker 1:It's almost like, I have all this I have this pile of money. Say someone has a half million dollars, and they're at this half million dollar pile, and I'm gonna hand it over to this guy at TD or Vanguard or whatever. And they just kinda manage it, and and, hopefully, I can get a 10% return annually. Right? But that's just kinda how they look at it.
Speaker 1:It's not a
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know, it's it's not surgical at all. It's really it's more like boots on the ground. Right? We're gonna put a bunch of a bunch of troops over there and leave them there. And, hopefully, in three years, we come back, and they've they've done something good for us, and they're they're still alive.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. The issue I have with that is that as culture has changed through the fifties and sixties, technology has changed through the fifties and sixties. If you look at your financial advice, most of it's still the same. Buy and hold. Hold forever.
Speaker 2:One day, you'll wake up and everything will work out for you. And, you know, you're probably we're very similar in age, but you probably remember the whole adage of grow up, get good grades in school so you can go to college, get good grades, go out in the workforce, work hard, save your money, and you'll be fine. And that's just not a reality here in 2026.
Speaker 1:No. Not at all. Yeah. I mean This I I I I so I said, I watched my dad. Right?
Speaker 1:So my dad was he worked for AT and T, which then then then became Lucent Technologies, so they're they're kind of an affiliation. This is back in the late nineties. I remember seeing this happening. I remember when when the .com crash hit. He was someone that you know, we were middle class, and he had his basically, his nest egg was his $4.00 1 k savings that he had gotten through AT and T.
Speaker 1:I think all the stock then converted to Lucent stock. Well, .com crash happened and Lucent bottomed out. And so I remember seeing, you know, my parents arguing over this. My my mom's saying, Ed, just just sell your stocks. I know it's down 40%, but, you know, we're gonna lose everything.
Speaker 1:Just sell it. My dad's saying, Oh, it's gonna come back up. It's it's a it's a good company. It's gonna come back up. And he believed in the system.
Speaker 1:And I think that, know, he went from a $100,000.04 $0.01 k to 15,000. Right? Like, you know and for someone in the middle class that's on a fixed relatively fixed income, you know, he's a salaried employee and maybe he gets a 5% raise every year, like, that that's a devastating blow. I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people. But and maybe that's also why I'm very distrustful of the stock market.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, I mean, I witnessed that. And so you remember those things even as a kid. You remember those situations. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And and the downside of that, when you're just buying a company, putting all your hopes in that company, that's dangerous. And there was a there was actually a report from JPMorgan that came out that said 40% of all stocks in the Russell three thousand, which that's a small cap index. Most companies start there, will drop 70% and never recover beyond a 60% decrease from all time highs. And so if you go look at stocks right now, like a PayPal that was at 250 plus dollars, and now they're trading around 70. If you've just been buying and holding forever hoping that's gonna come back, that is a terrible wake up call, unfortunately, like your dad.
Speaker 2:Obviously, there's the stories of Nvidia that worked out really well. You know, you've got Emu this year that's worked out really well. But for every story like that, there's five or six more that it doesn't work out well. And so one of the things that we teach people is when you get in, treat your money like you would an employee. You you have specific tasks for your employee.
Speaker 2:Once they accomplish that task, pull them off of it and put them onto something else. So I believe in buy and hold. I just don't believe in buy and hold forever. I believe in buy and hold, but I don't believe in doing it till I'm 70. I'm 44 this year.
Speaker 2:So that's a long time. Anything can happen. We can have a huge shifts in our economy and our economics, the country itself. All of that does impact. And so when you look back in the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, America's on this huge bull run just as a nation.
Speaker 2:Buy and hold was fantastic. When we come today, that same strategy isn't as great as it was back then, which is why we want to be more tactical with our entries and our exits.
Speaker 1:And so let's, I wanna take a step back and just look at the overall, like, the system. Right? When you say the system, it can mean a lot of things. But to me, it's like, I I call this that whole kind of deep state thing the system sometimes. Right?
Speaker 1:And it's it's it's got tentacles in everything. Right? And so, obviously, the Federal Reserve, right, the the fiat currency, you know, them usury. Right? The way that they've really used this financial system to, enslave, you know, the population.
Speaker 1:Right? Not to mention looking at inflation. And it's all these people. You look at America right now, and it's like, oh, wow. My house went up from being worth $300,000 to $600,000, yet you can't sell it because if you sell it, you you know, the their interest rates are terrible, so you're not gonna be able find another house.
Speaker 1:And you're gonna then buy the same other house that was 300,000. It's now worth 600,000. So there's people that are there's this kind of financial doom loop, right, it seems, where we're just going more and more into debt. Then that's not even getting into the AI discussion about how that's gonna change the job market and change, you know, all these kids that, you know, took the advice of intelligent people five, ten years ago and got degrees in computer science and, you know, coding and everything are now like, okay. What now?
Speaker 1:Right? It's like being a horse driver when the cars come out. Right? It's like, oh, yeah. Good luck, you know, sustaining yourself.
Speaker 1:And so, you know, when you Obviously, you know, you know way more about the stock market than I do, but you also, you know, understand the creature from Jekyll Island. You understand a lot of these foundational principles that make up this very crooked and corrupt and evil financial system. And so, how do you see the stock market fitting into that? Like, where do you see that there's these elements of it being rigged, insider trading? I mean, like, I guess, let's take a look and let's kinda dissect the system before we kinda jump into the details.
Speaker 1:I think once you dissect it, then we can figure out, okay, how do we still win within this system?
Speaker 2:Great question. There's different elements and different parts of this, and I'd love to kinda unlock each part as we go. You know, I I was telling you before, I grew up in Georgia. And when we were in eighth grade, we did this whole tour around Georgia. And part of it is we went to Jekyll Island.
Speaker 2:And it was a big deal because this is where the Federal Reserve was created, and all these brilliant, powerful people came here and made this fantastic thing called the Federal Reserve. And yet it's one of the most insidious institutions that we have, in my opinion. And I think we share that opinion. So to show insider trading, if you go back and look in October, I think it was around the thirtieth. Don't quote me on the date, but go look in October 2021.
Speaker 2:There was a statement that came out about the Federal Reserve, and they actually said that they were selling all of their holdings because of a conflict of interest, and they wanted to be morally correct. That was literally their statement coming out. It was also the very top of the market before the 2122 drop in the entire S and P, NASDAQ, Dow. And it's just so it just so happened to coincide they had this moral epiphany right before the market dropped. If you go look at Trump's state of the union that he just did, he said, let's sign this bill banning insider trading in congress, and everybody cheered.
Speaker 2:And he's like, wow. I'm shocked you guys cheered on that. Did Nancy Pelosi cheer? Was she in there too? And it's not just, you know, it's not just the Democrats.
Speaker 2:Republicans do it too. Dan Crenshaw, who just got defeated in the, primary in in Texas, he's one of the worst insider traders in Congress. And it shows you that these people can act as mafia. They can trade off legislation, and they can pull these levers of legislation. Hey.
Speaker 2:We're gonna give grants to this company, etcetera, and then they make a windfall of profit. It's astounding to me that people go into congress worth a couple $100,000, and they walk out worth deca millions.
Speaker 1:Oh, it is. Actually, here's the, I think this is the event you're talking about. This is back in October, 2021. It says that this is, an NPR article. It says, The Federal Reserve imposes new restrictions on investments after trading controversy.
Speaker 1:It says, there The Fed is imposing new restrictions on investments by its senior officials as it seeks to address a controversy involving trades made by two regional Fed bank presidents last year. So looks like it was a pretty big deal. Right? So, basically, if I understand correctly, there was basically insider trading at the level of the Fed even.
Speaker 2:That's correct.
Speaker 1:And the thing is is that, you know, when it comes into the the rig nature, like a lot of things in our our world, we see just the bottom layer. Right? So we see the Nancy Peloses. We see the the Dan Quinn shawls. Right?
Speaker 1:We see people like that that, obviously, you know, you can if you have insider trading and so say you're you're Nancy Pelosi and you know that there's a big chip manufacturer that's building a factory in California. And, you know, you know, which, you know, which company got the the contract to build it out, right, or whatever it is. And so you can do that. But I think that where we don't see and where I suspect that it's it's like the real insider trading happens is at the, like, the Soros level. Right?
Speaker 1:At the level of, like, the not the peep the people that are worth, say, 50 or 100,000,000, but the people that are worth, you know, $5.10, $2,030,000,000,000 dollars. The ones that
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Are betting against, you know, entire country economies, the ones that are, you know, moving in ways that, like you know, you would never look at that and say, oh, yeah. George Soros, he's an insider trader. It's like, I guarantee at that level that it's like they're they're almost, like, as I guess, as we've seen with the Epstein files. Right? It's like they can kinda get away with anything, and we see it all, and they're like, what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 2:They are privy to information that the average person's not. And when you when you trade off that information, that is deemed insider trading. Now there there are different rules around it. I know that there's corporations where the c level execs can make trades as long as they disclose it within forty eight hours, and it's completely legal. Right?
Speaker 2:And there's a a group called Unusual Wells that does a great job tracking
Speaker 1:this
Speaker 2:kind of stuff. But all that being said, understanding that our job as a retail trader doing this for ourself, we don't have to have the entirety of that move. And so one of the things that we use to capitalize on that if you remember the old, the little fish that swim with sharks, can't remember the name of them, but they swim along with the sharks. And when the shark gets hungry and eats a fish, there's, you know, pieces of flesh that kinda fly everywhere. And then those other little fish, those little sucker fish that hang out with the shark, they just eat.
Speaker 2:Right? They let the shark do the hard work, and then they get a meal from it. And so that's essentially what we look for. We look for these opportunities that are poised to make these moves, and then we capitalize on those moves, getting in a little after they do, getting out a little before they get out. Because you can see all of that in real time in the markets, and that's what we're gonna show people how to see.
Speaker 1:I see. I see. So that make that makes more sense because, again, I've just really always looked at the stock market as being just another one of these tools that the system has created that's really about, you know, getting basically, getting people's people to put their assets into a system that is outside of our own control. And that's why that's why I've never liked about it. Right?
Speaker 1:It's like I I always keep this 10 ounce little bar of silver on my desk just as a reminder. Now, it used to be, I think I paid $200 for this back in the day. Right? Now it's, you know, a thousand bucks. Right?
Speaker 1:But it just is this reminder that this is real. This is real money. Right? And so that's why I've always been really hesitant about, you know, putting my assets into the system that I know what's going on. Like, I know that if if they want to cause a stock market collapse, they can.
Speaker 1:Right? Even if you look at what happened during the Great Depression, like, was a whole like, that wasn't about what we were told it was about, right, as far as I understand. Like, that was a a coordinated campaign, basically, to end all the small private banks in America, right, as we typically see. It's, like, kinda like, well, okay. What was COVID?
Speaker 1:COVID was the same thing. It was just Right. Okay. Now we're gonna end all these small businesses, so we just have our Walmarts, our Targets, and our CVS Yep. And everything.
Speaker 1:And so there's always these events where they kinda shake off all the individual ownership, and that's what really concerns me. And even now, looking at the stock market, it's like, okay. Yeah. It's like, you know, Pam Bondi was kind of famously, you know, profiled for saying, it's like, oh, look, the stock market's at 50,000 or a Dow's at 50,000. Right?
Speaker 1:So don't look over at the Epstein files. Look how good the stock market's doing.
Speaker 2:And Right.
Speaker 1:And to me, it's that that's like a it's a warning sign. Right? It's like, okay. But when's when's the crash coming? Because there's something going on here, and it's being propped up by money printing, it's being propped up by an AI bubble.
Speaker 1:And so that's also, you know, my concern. But I also simultaneously know that if you know what you're doing, even when there's a crash, you can make a lot of money, actually. Like, it's like when there's blood in the streets, like, there's money to be made. So, anyway, that's why I've just stuck to things I know. But, anyway, I'll let you respond to that.
Speaker 2:No. While you're talking about this, as far as the tools of the market, having people place all of their faith in it, you know, you go back to the 401 k and that vehicle, when people put their faith in that, you have to remember that's a tax deferred vehicle. And so I'm not I'm not sure how how much you've educated your audience on taxes and tax history, but if you go look back in World War two and you go look at the nineteen forties, the highest tax rate was in the 8080% range, but it was on $5,000,000 in in 1940 money. And so that's crazy amount of money today. But what's what's in wild about this is 1941, they increased that rate to 88.
Speaker 2:1942, they increased it to 91 or 92% tax, but they dropped who the richest American was from $5,000,000 to $200,000 the very next year. You're talking about a $4,800,000 drop. Just like that. And so when you look at our national debt and people like, oh, the national debt's unsustainable. It's unsustainable.
Speaker 2:It is unsustainable. What are we gonna do about it? We've got $44,000,000,000,000 sitting in retirement accounts. And in 2018, I wanna say it was Nancy Pelosi, but somewhere between 2015, 2020, I can't remember the exact year, she came out and they asked her, are you worried about the national debt? This is when we were approaching, like, right around $2,025,000,000,000,000.
Speaker 2:She said, no. We've got trillions in retirements we haven't tapped yet. And they're not talking about their retirement. They're talking about our retirements. They're talking about our four zero one k's.
Speaker 2:And so when you have a tax deferred vehicle, what that actually means is you haven't paid taxes on it yet, and you're playing Russian roulette with the government who the average tax rate and I can send you this graphic if you wanna put it up here on the screen. But the average tax rate is around 50%. Currently, we're around 30. So if they decide, hey. We're gonna increase taxes exclusively on four zero one k's because we need that money to pay our debt off.
Speaker 2:We need that money to finance another war. We need that money for whatever reason, and you've got, let's pretend, a million dollars in there just to make math easy. And you're saying, okay. I can retire with $700,000 at a 30% tax rate because I gotta pay 30% of that to the government. And they say, hey.
Speaker 2:We're gonna change that. We need 60%. Now all of a sudden, you're retiring with 400,000, and the other 600,000 belongs to the government. To me, that's a scary proposition. If I had all of my assets there, that would make me nervous, which is why, you know, I'm a big proponent of, yes, invest long term.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've got Roth IRAs for me, my wife, my kids, but those are tax free vehicles. That's we you fund that with post tax money. That's a completely different ballgame. That's a completely different ballgame. Then we you know, like I said earlier, we've got the gold, the silver, the tangible assets as well.
Speaker 2:So when you look at the use of the markets and then the corrupt history of the government and, at best, shadiness around interest, tax codes, interest rates, all the things, yes, we you could say that Trump is a pro American, let's lower taxes people, but he's not gonna be in the off office forever. What happens if you get someone in there who says, hey. Bernie Sanders, let's tax the rich at 80%. AOC, let's tax the rich at 90%. And then they they get the downside of that is we're all like, yes.
Speaker 2:Or most people, not I'm not. I I think all taxes are theft, but most people are like, yes. Tax the rich. They don't need the money. They determine who's rich.
Speaker 2:So what happens when they come out and say, hey. You're actually rich. We're gonna tax you at 80, at 90%. That to me, Seth, is the danger here.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, I couldn't be more than that. I think we're already kind of in the danger, you know, looking at historically. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Looking at what what taxes were, you know, hundred years ago. It's it's insane that we've become so passive. Right? And and we just accept this. Whereas you look at you know, go back to just the the the the tiny little tasks taxes that were, you know, in a lot of ways, kind of lit the fuse to the Revolutionary War and and the founding of this country, right?
Speaker 1:It was it was minuscule compared to what we have now. And that's not even getting it's into like, it's just it's it's insane that it's like, okay, so say you work, you pay taxes on your income, you then take that money that's already taxed, you go buy something, you pay sales tax on it. You then go buy a vehicle, you're paying tax on that, you're paying vehicle taxes. You're driving on the road, you're paying tax, extra tax on the gasoline. You wanna give that as a gift.
Speaker 1:Right? There's gift tax. If if it's part of your state, there's a state tax. It's like they have figured out how to tax us at every single place. Not to mention what I think is that now they've got us to a place where the average woman now is working.
Speaker 1:Right? They've got it so that, you know, hey, let's get rid these stay at home moms. It's perfect. Put the kids in the in the government care. Hey.
Speaker 1:We'll get you free indoctrination camps, right, for your kids, government sponsored. And so now they've got the the wives that are also working and being taxed, but the whole system I mean, I agree with you. The whole system is is is unconstitutional. And it's just like you know? But, again, I get it is the system that you know?
Speaker 1:And there's ways of exiting it, I won't go into those, but I'm I'm very well aware of them. But the reality is, though, is that for a lot of people, they they haven't done that. And so you're looking at this, this boot camp, because I I know that it's it's what? It's like what? Is it five days?
Speaker 2:Technically, it's six. We we have a bonus day at the very end with some, like, next steps, practical, like, hey. This is what you need to do to get this moving. But it's five days of education. One hour a day.
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay. So five okay. So one hour. Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's about five or six hours. Okay. That's that's easy to fit in. So, pardon me, and so, What about the Like, what are some I know, obviously, you're not gonna be able to get, know, compress five days into one little, tiny little interview, but what are some of the the core things that people will learn and the things that I think are especially relevant for people like you and I that which, like, our audience is like this as well that think like we do. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, what are some of the core principles that people are gonna walk away with?
Speaker 2:That's an awesome question. First thing we're gonna tackle is really understanding the market. And when we came into this interview, I told you, you know, I've I've been binging your show. I really enjoy how you take what most people have been indoctrinated with and illuminate it to show truth. Then whether that person gets to they choose whether they believe that or not.
Speaker 2:Right? But a really famous guy once said, you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free. And so when you take that truth on, you can free yourself from it. When we look at the stock market, most people are not educated with it because they don't they have been fed lies and indoctrination about it. They say it's either too risky.
Speaker 2:It's only for a certain elite. It's dangerous. They're not they are not smart enough to understand it, and all of that couldn't be further from the truth. Because I I have taught people who and they've got two, three doctorates. I've taught people who dropped out of college and don't or high school and don't even have a GED.
Speaker 2:I've seen all of them succeed. I've seen I've honestly seen more failure the smarter people get because they think they're so smart. It's gonna they're gonna figure it all out.
Speaker 1:I'd do great then.
Speaker 2:So what we're gonna do is break down some of those nuances in our mind so that you're actually in a place to learn. Then you're gonna learn how to read charts. You're gonna actually understanding what I'm seeing on a stock chart. We're gonna teach people how to recognize patterns, how to recognize different structures that are made, and then operate within that structure and that pattern so that it increases the probability of them making profits. We're gonna go through different levels of analysis with people like fundamentals, technicals, market tone analysis, which if you don't understand what that means, it's okay.
Speaker 2:We'll teach you at at the boot camp. And then we actually will work on showing you entry points and exit points for the strategy that we're gonna teach you really the last three days of the event so that you can walk out of there with a solid pattern. And, usually, we try to find opportunities for people too. I can't always promise that because I don't know what the market's gonna do. I can't foresee that.
Speaker 2:It'd be really cool if I could, But we're gonna show you patterns and stocks that are in the pattern that you're actually learning so that, hopefully, you can go out and start implementing this. Because we don't we don't need more knowledge. We need more implementation. And so that's what we're gonna offer.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. And is there any part of that would that is applicable where you address what do you do when the stock market has a big downturn? Right? Like, let's just say that we could have even seen it on Monday this week. Right?
Speaker 1:You know, post, you know, the beginning of the war, we saw I think, actually, they're they they put a stop trading, into the Korean stock market, which is South Korean stock market's free falling. And so let's just say, hypothetically, we get to a place where we have a Black Monday. Right? And we see, like, oh my goodness. You know, across a week, the Dow's down 35%.
Speaker 1:Right? Which is, you think, very probable, especially if you look into AI bubble and all this kind of stuff. So are is that also gonna be addressed that people don't just know, okay. Here's the foundations. Here's the here's the mechanisms.
Speaker 1:Here's how to navigate in this arena, but also here's how you can be wise if there's a downturn even.
Speaker 2:We do touch on that. And one of the one of the easiest ways and if I can address it here, mean
Speaker 1:Oh, you please do. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Something here. One of the easiest ways to actually take advantage of that is what's called an inverse ETF. Inverse ETF.
Speaker 2:So when you look at the big indices, and typically, there's four that people keep a metric on. You've got the Dow Jones, the S and P five hundred, the Nasdaq, and the Russell two thousand. Those are kind of the big the big players. They're inverse ETFs so that if the S and P starts dropping, that inverse actually increases in value. And so we give you what that looks like, and we show you this is what you'll want to be watching for to see that happen.
Speaker 2:So if you see these signs, it could behoove you to take some money out at targets. Right? So first off, I like taking profits. I believe that the market's there for us to make money off of. So I take those profits off the table.
Speaker 2:And if I have longer term objectives, whether it's in an individual stock, whether it's in the the whole market as a whole, wherever we're at, I like taking those profits off the table and limiting my exposure. Then if I wanted to say, hey. I really don't wanna give any of this stuff back. I can look at an inverse ETF so that as it does drop or if it does drop, I can actually profit on the way up. And we've been able to do that in our company numerous times.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's that's really how we made money back in 2021, 2022. If you remember back in April '25 when March and April 25, the tariffs came out, the market just tanked, you know, significantly. We were able to take advantage of a lot of that through an inverse ETF. So most of our students who who were prepared for that to happen were able to gain money rather than lose it. And so a lot of this has to do with preparation rather than reaction.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna react to what the market's doing. I wanna prepare for it so that when I see it happening, I have a game plan in place, and it doesn't scare me.
Speaker 1:That makes a lot of sense. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. And so this, I'm gonna go to the details of this boot camp, right.
Speaker 1:So the website, and again, all these links are gonna be in the interview, the description for the show, it's, mianeos.com, that's neos.com. And I will pull that up right here. So this is the, the site people will arrive at, right, when they go to that that link, again, which will be in the show description. So how what does this cost? Like, what what are the details of this?
Speaker 2:It's absolutely free to attend. So our general session's absolutely free. All they gotta do is click that orange button. They can register there. Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:And they can register right there. And if you scroll down, it just says, you know, about the event. It gives you more details of what you're gonna learn, why to learn it, etcetera. And then I think at the very bottom, if you're like, hey. You know, what are your results?
Speaker 2:There's a ton of testimonials down there too. So there's a lot of feedback from what people have said about that this particular event.
Speaker 1:Incredible. And so it's free. Now, obviously, I'm assuming that, you know, people can do the event. They can probably purchase other things. Right?
Speaker 1:There's probably ways of upgrading. But, I mean, doing a five day series like this for free is great. Especially in an area where I think a lot of people, they they just got kind of like a blank. Right? They they they're like, okay.
Speaker 1:It's just outside of my wheelhouse. So yeah. This is okay. This is great. So okay.
Speaker 2:We do we do have that VIP option to upgrade for an hour, and that's that is purely q and a. And so what we typically do in the VIP is a deep dive into that topic. And then if you you can ask any question that you want to. Nothing's off the table. And honestly, if I don't know the answer, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:Like, straight up, I don't know. Because I I don't know all the answers. But usually, it's talking about Starks, charts, understanding things that we just covered, and all of that I'm extremely proficient in.
Speaker 1:So Okay. So, okay. It seems pretty simple then, right? You go here, you click on the orange button that's kind of dancing around there. And so again, it is so March, and I'm assuming that, people can register ahead of time.
Speaker 1:Is there any kind of limit to the seats that are available to this?
Speaker 2:We have a thousand person limit in our seats. Usually, have, you know, about eleven, twelve hundred people who register and close to 800 that actually show up.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so, know, typically, there's a little bit of a window there, but there is a cap on who can be there live. And if you can't make the live, we actually email out the recording so that you can watch the
Speaker 1:recording at
Speaker 2:we give you plenty of time to do that. Because our again, our heart is to educate people. We want you to know what happens and how to how to maximize your money and make it work for you.
Speaker 1:Well, it seems like this this is the right way to figure that out. So okay. Well, all the details that we talked about today, I'll make sure those are in the the, description of the show right at the top there, with the links, the dates, etcetera. And this is great. I I might try to make it myself.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure what my schedule looks like, but, let me also type either way because I'll get access to it when I can watch it.
Speaker 2:You'll get it either way. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Exactly. And, yeah, I mean, thank you for doing this. Like, because I know that, you know, there's a lot of kind of webinars, but it's typically it's like, okay. Hey. Here's our thirty minute webinar sales pitch.
Speaker 1:You know what mean? And that's about all this, but I I've never seen someone doing a a free five day class like this. Right? Because I I imagine even if if you do that and that's all you do, you're gonna go from knowing maybe five percent of what there is to know to, like, multiples higher than that. So this is it's it's a real service what you're doing here.
Speaker 1:Especially, it's like you're not someone that is kind of a mister Smith representing the system. Right? You know? So, hey. My local vanguard has given me a, you know, trading, and here here's how to give more of your assets over to the, to the elites.
Speaker 1:This is this is different. This is good. So, yeah. Well, Mark, any final comments as we're wrapping up here?
Speaker 2:No. Thank you so much for having us. And, again, if you attend, if you sign up, you will get all the emails from us so that you can watch it at your leisure. In fact, you know, we were talking earlier. We actually homeschool all of our children as well, and we have a lot of people who use this this content to help homeschool and educate their kids and give them that introduction into investing because we all we have those similar values.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that's what that's what we wanna get across. And we wanna we truly wanna help people understand what you're doing, walk away with some type of tool that you can begin to implement if you choose to.
Speaker 1:I see. Awesome. Well, would say anyone who's watching or listening, go do this now. Might as well just get out of the way, right? Go over there, sign up for it.
Speaker 1:Even if you can't make it, sign up and just get access to the classes, right? So, yeah, again, the link will have all that information in the show description for you. And, yeah, this is exciting, Mark. I mean, I really appreciate you coming on. I think that we can do I'm looking forward to talking to you more, cause there's probably a lot of different things that we can kind of dive into together.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, thank you again for doing what you're doing, and thanks for giving us your time today.
Speaker 2:It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. Take care and God bless.
Speaker 2:You too.