The Fourth Way

I had the opportunity to interview John Dangelo of the Anti-War War Vet (link in show notes). We discuss empire, honoring soldiers, Christianity, Lysander Spooner, and moral injury (see timestamps).

0:00 - Introduction
6:20 - Pacifism vs anti-war
9:45 how our freedoms and security are hampered by protecting our freedom through military action
20:30 - Diffusion of responsibility as cogs in a wheel that run the machinery
26:30 - inalienable rights aren't inalienable, as we don't apply them to other groups
31:45 - Smedley Butler
34:15 - Is war a racket?
41:20 - Taxes, contracts, and Lysander Spooner's "No Treason"
47:30 - Moral injury and the cost of state violence

Show Notes

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  • Video Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXlUUEbD1ak&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=14
  • John's website: https://antiwarwarvet.com/
  • Lysander Spooner's "No Treason": https://www.scribd.com/book/426684842/The-Complete-Works-of-Lysander-Spooner-The-Unconstitutionality-of-Slavery-No-Treason-The-Constitution-of-No-Authority-Vices-are-Not-Crimes-Natura?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google_search&utm_campaign=3Q_Google_DSA_NB_RoW&utm_device=c&gclid=CjwKCAjwu_mSBhAYEiwA5BBmfyAeOQrLz1F1oT9Aza8SLWTGTM-SfHiyZxSx3YUYGB2dP5zsRPe63BoClx0QAvD_BwE
  • David Grossman's "On Killing": https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932
  • War and Moral Injury: https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Injury-Robert-Emmet-Meagher/dp/1498296785
  • Achilles in Vietnam: https://www.amazon.com/Achilles-in-Vietnam-audiobook/dp/B07DR1DK7Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ZN6NYE4VSPSX&keywords=achilles+in+vietnam&qid=1650411772&s=books&sprefix=achilles+in+vietnam%2Cstripbooks%2C169&sr=1-1
  • War is a Racket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=mhUu4ganRr&rank=1


0:00 - Introduction
6:20 - Pacifism vs anti-war
9:45 how our freedoms and security are hampered by protecting our freedom through military action
20:30 - Diffusion of responsibility as cogs in a wheel that run the machinery
26:30 - inalienable rights aren't inalienable, as we don't apply them to other groups
31:45 - Smedley Butler
34:15 - Is war a racket?
41:20 - Taxes, contracts, and Lysander Spooner's "No Treason" 
47:30 - Moral injury and the cost of state violence
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A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.