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A conversation about cars, trucks, tugs and other machines of transport that flows like an ADHD fever dream, hosted by Hoonigan co-founder and 321 Action Action director Brian Scotto. Enjoy, it’s gonna be a bizarre ride.
Speaker 1 00:00
Welcome back to another episode of Very Vehicular. As always, I'm your host Brian Scotto. I want to start by apologizing for our little two-week hiatus, but life has been crazy. There's been a lot going on with 321, action, action. Working on a lot of really rad projects. Really excited to eventually be able to share with you a ton of things that'll be coming up in 2027. But that delay was well worth it because today's guests are super important to me and should be super important to you. We have Leah Block and Lucy Block on the show today. Leah just had an amazing season in the ARA Championship, and unfortunately, while she was so close to taking it, she had a kind of tragic moment in the last stage. We're going to talk about that today. We're also going to talk about you know her times and how she really felt about her experience in F1 Academy, why she left. We talk a lot of rally with both Lucy and Leah, the future of a lot of what the blocks are doing. It's a great conversation. You know, the blocks are family to me. I just enjoy talking to them always, and now I got to record it and share it with you guys. So this won't be the last time the blocks are on the show, but enjoy this one. I certainly did. Leah and Lucy Block, finally welcome to the show. I when I started the show, I wrote a list of like the first five guests, and your guys' names are on it. But somehow it took like 40 episodes to get you here.
Speaker 2 01:55
Yeah, because that was gonna work out.
Speaker 1 01:58
That's how we start the show. I'm being
Speaker 2 02:01
honest here, okay?
Speaker 1 02:03
What you should say is, I've had a busy year.
Speaker 2 02:05
I've had a busy two years.
Speaker 1 02:06
Yeah, you've had a busy couple years. Three years,
Speaker 3 02:08
three years now, four
Speaker 4 02:09
actually.
Speaker 1 02:10
Where do you guys? You didn't even
Speaker 2 02:11
live in this country for a while, so yeah.
Speaker 1 02:14
Did you enjoy that?
Speaker 2 02:15
Yeah, yeah, I did. I mean, at this time in my life, I feel like it was one of the coolest experiences I could have, you know, taken.
Speaker 1 02:23
I mean, you were 18 and 19 living abroad.
Speaker 2 02:25
1718, 1718, Yeah.
Speaker 1 02:27
Wow. Yeah. Or like you just turned 20. That's wild. No,
Speaker 2 02:31
it's pretty crazy. I mean, especially with just kind of being, for the most part, alone over there. You know, whether if I wasn't at a racetrack or with Derek,
Speaker 1 02:40
dear old dad. Dear
Speaker 2 02:41
old dad. Well, I guess to you he's he's
Speaker 1 02:43
dear old granddad. Well, you can't say
Speaker 4 02:46
that. You
Speaker 1 02:47
think he watches the show?
Speaker 4 02:48
No, but he would not like that.
Speaker 1 02:51
Yeah, I mean, he didn't like dear old dad, considering it was a reference to him being like just a few years older than Ken. But yeah. So anyway, but I mean, what was that like? What'd you do when you were not racing?
Speaker 2 03:07
I would be back and forth between London and and France, depending on. And for me, it was mostly France because my junior team, ARIT, was based just right outside of Paris, so every single time I would go to a race track, I had to fly there first, do sim, and then go wherever. So, the second year in F1 Academy, we had a race in Montreal, so I had to fly all the way over to Paris, do 24 hours of sim, and fly all the way back over to Canada. So it was a lot of air miles.
Speaker 4 03:44
Yeah, how many miles you you tracked
Speaker 2 03:46
it? Pause. I have like I started using this app to track every one of my flights, and then so for 2025 alone, I did 289,000 miles. Wow, that was 133 flights.
Speaker 1 04:04
That's a lot. I didn't realize we were moving around that much.
Speaker 2 04:06
Yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4 04:07
Well, in the Middle East, like three times, three times, then
Speaker 2 04:10
China, then I mean, I was just back and forth through Europe so much as well, and then, I mean, obviously, I was at home as much as possible when it made sense. So all of those flights across the pond, it it adds up quick.
Speaker 1 04:24
Did you fly mostly Delta, or you like kind of bouncing around?
Speaker 2 04:26
Uh, bouncing around within Europe. Yeah. But you know, I was gonna ask, are
Speaker 1 04:31
you million mile already on Delta?
Speaker 2 04:33
Yeah, yeah. When did I hit it the first year in f1? A couple years ago.
Speaker 1 04:37
Yeah, that's like the weird, like it's like one of the best brags. I don't know why. I hit million miles like two years ago. It's pretty sick.
Speaker 2 04:43
Constantly get like people, Delta employees, like say like you are the youngest million miler we've ever seen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 04:51
Well, that's because you were on planes with us when you were a baby.
Speaker 2 04:54
Well, and she started my account when I was
Speaker 4 04:55
two two years old. When I had to start paying for your flights.
Speaker 1 04:58
Yeah. Once you weren't once you were. No longer lapable, like when you couldn't be on the lap and you had to get your own seat. Yeah.
Speaker 2 05:03
No, I'm I'm very thankful for that as well. I remember that was like a
Speaker 1 05:07
joke because like you got like you and you know obviously your sister and your brother like you all had like full passports by the time you were like six or seven, which was crazy.
Speaker 2 05:15
I mean, what was like my first international trip? It was a Sydney, right?
Speaker 4 05:19
Yeah, you were three months old when I went to Sydney.
Speaker 2 05:21
Because why wouldn't I?
Speaker 1 05:23
That was for which trip was that? Was it
Speaker 3 05:27
a DC? Oh, maybe.
Speaker 1 05:30
Oh, maybe. Yeah, I was thinking about a later trip, but that was probably that was more like 2011, which was the world tour trip when we went over there. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 2 05:37
was 200.
Speaker 4 05:38
I don't know when we were there.
Speaker 1 05:40
You know, interesting. So let me ask you a question. Um, like now you're back. You've done a year back here at home. How does how do those two things compare? Like F1 Academy and Racing ARA, it's like very very different, right?
Speaker 2 05:54
So different. And people ask me all the time to compare, you know, car wise and driving wise. I'm like, I just can't. They're like so different, and for me, like it was a huge learning curve. Obviously, I had done a bit of karting when I was younger, but nothing would compare to the level that the girls are at over there, especially in F1 Academy, because they would have already done, or I guess my generation of F1 Academy drivers had already done multiple years in f4. Some girls in Freka or GB three, which is you know similar to f3. So I mean, I had a bit higher expectations for myself, and I I remember going to the first test in Spain, and I was like 10 seconds off the pace, and that's like insane. So my expectations and goals had to be rearranged a little bit. But yeah, getting to the first race in Saudi was was a roadmap for sure, and and lots of hard work. But
Speaker 1 06:59
you used, I think like one of my favorite marketing buzzwords I haven't heard before, which is like you had to rearrange your expectations. Yeah, I mean, just being honest, like I mean, what was that? How how did you feel about doing that? Like, because I know you're really competitive.
Speaker 2 07:15
Yeah, I mean, I just I had a lot of higher expectations for myself, you know. And first of all, I didn't even really want to race this series, especially because you know, hearing f1 Academy and being a female-only racing series, it just really deterred me in the first place. I'm like, why would I want to go do that when I've been beating boys my entire life? Like, I've never needed that crutch, but I'm glad I did it, and it's just a different experience. But it, for me, was difficult mentally rearranging the expectations, and but having people around me to help me do that as well. Like, I mean, for the first time, I worked with a sports psychologist, a nutritionist, a trainer. You know, I had multiple people around me that that helped me do that, and it opened my eyes to a lot of you know ways to do things differently, preparation wise, before you even get into the car, especially in F1 Academy when you literally get max an hour on on track a weekend like that's nothing compared to rally. So everything that you can do outside of the car that minimizes you know what you can control versus when you get into the car and then everything else is is up to up to you. So it was it was very different, and I think some of those things I have taken with me back into this season of rally, but it's just it's very complicated that world.
Speaker 1 08:49
Do you think your time in f1 Academy though made you a better rally car driver?
Speaker 3 08:53
Driver, I'm not sure. Mature person,
Speaker 2 09:00
yes. Well, I mean that would make you a
Speaker 1 09:01
better driver. Yes, for
Speaker 2 09:03
sure. But like, I mean, driving skills wise, I don't think so. But all the things I learned about data and car and setup and how sensitive you have to be, you know, as a driver to feel these certain things and read stuff on the data and work with you know multiple engineers at once, that all of that has like opened my eyes coming back into rally and what you can do with a rally car. So there are things that that correlate mechanically, driving wise no, but I guess becoming an all around more mature person has definitely helped me, you know, getting into a car.
Speaker 1 09:43
I know you're really competitive. You and I have had some conversations about that in the past. Do you do you feel like F1 Academy, you know, because you obviously, you know, you you had sort of a a ladder climb there, right, where it wasn't real. Until the you know second part of the second year that like you really found a stride you now got into a place where you were actually being very competitive. You're sitting on top of the box. At that point though, then you decide like okay I'm good. Like did you need to get there to be able to leave or did or like or was it or were you already in a mindset of like this isn't really where I want to be.
Speaker 2 10:22
I think I was had that in the back of my mind that I that I kind of knew that's not where I wanted to be, but I think actually getting there and and in Singapore, you know, winning and standing on that on that box, like you said, it just kind of made me realize like I didn't enjoy that as much as I should have, you know, like like well, great, I won. Okay, what's next? You know, like it wasn't like this huge accomplishment. Um, so for me in my brain, I was like, dang, that like that sucked. Like all the hard work that I've put in, but I didn't really enjoy it, so it didn't make that, you know, feel like it should have.
Speaker 3 10:57
Yeah.
Speaker 2 10:57
Um, which was really interesting. I think that definitely solidified, you know, kind of my choice to leave.
Speaker 1 11:04
So when you were 14, your father and I had this like horrible idea to put you behind the wheel of what we now realize is probably about a 2600 horsepower car called a unicorn, and have you race against a bunch of people who had way more experience and all of that, and I remember, and tell me you probably remember this conversation, but like you were kind of not into it at one point, and you were just you seemed kind of annoyed, you seemed kind of bored, and I pulled you aside because I misread the situation because I thought, oh man, like we we took this 14 year old, we put her in this car, she's probably terrified, like this thing was like walking all over the place. Like we had, you know, the whole team came to win, including Derek, and the power was turned up, and we were going up against I think, like maybe it was Mac Bronson. We were about to go up to Mac Bronson's GTR, which was lightning fast, and you know, I'm thinking like we we've done the like the football dad thing, right? Like we forced you into something you didn't want to do, and like and like I think there was that moment where I just had this all of a sudden I was like no longer the guy running Hoonigan. I'm like I'm like Unk Scado, and I'm like oh this might be a bad idea, guys. What have we done? So so I pull you into the trailer, and I was like, "Hey, you don't seem happy. Like, like I was like, "Tell me, tell me that you don't want to do this, and I will go outside and tell Derek that there's a problem with the car, and we will put the car on the trailer, and you can go home. And like, you you don't have to say that you don't want to do this. And you looked at me and you just said, "It's just too easy.
Speaker 3 12:38
Really?
Speaker 1 12:40
Yeah. And I went. What you're like? I just like it was just like not having fun. It's not that I don't want to be here. I'm not scared. It's just easy because you had won like three or four races in a row.
Speaker 2 12:51
Yeah,
Speaker 1 12:52
and you're like I don't know. And just
Speaker 2 12:53
going in a straight line. And you're going in a straight
Speaker 1 12:55
line, and you like you know you're like it's just too easy, and then you got beat, and I watched you change, and all of a sudden you're like pulling Derek over to the car, like you've got like you know, and like skips there, and everyone's trying to figure out how to like get more out of it now because we had pulled up against Mac, and and I watched this moment, and I remember stepping back and going up to Derek, and I said, "Well, we got a race car driver on our hands because you-the minute that you lost was the minute that you were like, "Fuck that! And I just remember watching this little 14-year-old Leah just switch, and you were like so focused and so in. And I really did. Like, I went afterwards, and you know, spoke to your dad, and I was like, "Yeah, that was it. Like, we needed to see that moment of like, and I really thought you were scared. You weren't scared. You were bored. Bored.
Speaker 3 13:46
You were just bored,
Speaker 1 13:47
bored of driving one of the greatest cars ever built, but in a straight line. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she had no
Speaker 4 13:52
idea that she should have been scared.
Speaker 1 13:54
Well, there was that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't bother. I
Speaker 2 13:56
did have one one moment.
Speaker 1 13:58
You had a you got a squirrely moment. Yeah, yeah. We also sent the drive shaft through the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2 14:04
well, that was that was you didn't realize the danger of it, but we all did. Yeah, I mean, we put too much power, so couldn't handle it. But it was like the day before we started filming when I was first like testing down the airstrip, and we were figuring out which side I wanted to be on. Yeah, and my dad had originally did the left side, but the left side, like midway down, had that like had the dip,
Speaker 1 14:26
yeah, yeah, yeah. And I
Speaker 2 14:26
was not happy about that, so I we switched. I went right, and I remember like our first full run to to 100, right? Um, like it's pretty short stopping distance after that, and my dad was in the car, and
Speaker 1 14:42
you mean your first full run to 1000,
Speaker 2 14:43
to 1000, yeah, your first full run to 1000 feet, yeah, yes, and
Speaker 1 14:47
which was about a which at the time just was about 175 miles an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 2 14:53
no, 176. So that's oh gosh, oh
Speaker 1 14:56
sorry, that's the fastest I've ever gone. Yeah, you think I
Speaker 2 15:00
remember that number, right? Yeah, yeah. Just
Speaker 1 15:03
giving an estimate, but which
Speaker 2 15:04
supposedly it was faster than my dad ever. It was by three
Speaker 1 15:07
miles an hour. Yeah.
Speaker 2 15:08
Um, but we hit 1000, and I start braking, and it locked up. And at that time, I didn't really have the greatest car control in the world. I mean, I'm 14 at this time, and like my dad was telling me to come off the brakes a little bit. Like obviously we're we're not connected. You can't hear each other. And it starts like turning on me, and we literally stopped like maybe an inch from the grass at the end of the runway where there's a fence. And at that point I was like, cool, and just go. But that was like the one time that I can remember, like pretty vividly, that I was like a little bit scared.
Speaker 1 15:47
But then the next day you were fine.
Speaker 2 15:48
No, I was fine.
Speaker 3 15:49
Yeah,
Speaker 4 15:50
like great. We didn't actually we didn't
Speaker 2 15:51
actually go to 1000 that often either.
Speaker 1 15:54
Yeah, a lot of people didn't want to race you that far. Yeah, so you were good at a good job. Once we hit half of
Speaker 2 16:00
that we kind of pulled away, anyway. So I think there was
Speaker 1 16:03
1015 100. 1500 was the was
Speaker 2 16:06
1500. Yeah,
Speaker 1 16:08
right. We did 500, 1000, 1500, 1500 farther than the quarter mile, which actually is a lot of the actual drag race guys never wanted to race that far because their cars weren't geared to go that extra bit. They always go to 1320. So a lot of them never really brought their cars to that length. So most guys didn't want to go that far. So usually everyone raced to the 1000. Yeah, yeah. It was when you went to the 15. Yeah, for
Speaker 2 16:29
sure.
Speaker 1 16:30
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you look back. Does that feel like forever ago for you?
Speaker 2 16:33
Forever. I mean, it's crazy to think how long ago that was.
Speaker 3 16:37
Yeah,
Speaker 4 16:37
we actually had your birthday party at. Were you in filming? Yeah,
Speaker 3 16:42
yeah.
Speaker 2 16:43
I don't remember her being there.
Speaker 3 16:44
Yep, and
Speaker 4 16:45
Mike and Kira and
Speaker 1 16:46
Hudson was there too.
Speaker 4 16:47
Yes.
Speaker 1 16:48
Yeah, the whole yeah. Everybody was there.
Speaker 2 16:50
I just remember flying it on a PJ. So now,
Speaker 4 16:52
oh my gosh, you
Speaker 1 16:54
guys did right. We're
Speaker 2 16:55
balling. Yeah,
Speaker 1 16:56
full balling. Where did you? Did you fly into the track? No, no, no. We flew in
Speaker 2 16:59
like 30 minutes out of it, but it was like ignore it, right?
Speaker 1 17:02
Tanner Faus, by the way, came to race there with us once, and he landed on the drag strip, which was pretty cool flex. That's crowd,
Speaker 1 17:10
yeah, pretty cool flex. So, what were
Speaker 2 17:13
your thoughts during that filming?
Speaker 1 17:16
That is a good question. Yeah, I wanted to bring you in on this. Like, I've never heard any. Like, what what was that conversation? Like we're gonna have Leah jumping the unicorn and drag race people. Like,
Speaker 2 17:26
well, I assume the conversation was before our conversation, right? Oh, she had to go. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 17:31
I I was like semi involved in that conversation. I kind of remember being like, I think this is a personal matter. He loses his face. This isn't a this isn't a Zoom call I want to be on.
Speaker 4 17:44
No, I mean remember there was a training and the build up. That's how I got training. I got sold on
Speaker 5 17:48
it because it was
Speaker 4 17:50
safe and there was going to be training and build
Speaker 1 17:52
up. Yep, yep, right because you got to drive IROS's all three of the cars. All all of IRAs' cars because they were auto and it was a little bit. Got a drag license in
Speaker 2 18:01
with Leah Pruitt. Yeah. Yep. Yep. We went and saw Donk Master.
Speaker 1 18:07
I forgot about going to hang out with Donk Master. Yep. I mean that that had nothing to do. That was that the whole point of that was to teach you the art of shit talking.
Speaker 2 18:16
Right.
Speaker 1 18:16
Which is like I look back and I'm like we were teaching a 14 year old the art of shit talking. This is our Frankenstein monster. This all makes sense now.
Speaker 4 18:25
You created this. You helped create this. And we brought you two one
Speaker 1 18:28
of the best in the world, which is Sage Thompson, the Donk Master. Yeah, I forgot about that. Was fun. What were we thinking? Oh, and then the
Speaker 2 18:35
Cosi in Vegas, and then
Speaker 4 18:38
yeah,
Speaker 2 18:39
then I went. I
Speaker 4 18:39
was there.
Speaker 1 18:40
Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 18:42
yeah. Was there for three of them? I couldn't pull the handbrake in the quasi though. We were
Speaker 2 18:45
trying to get me to do donuts in it, but on tarmac in that little skid pad, I could not physically pull the handbrakes. My dad was doing it for me.
Speaker 1 18:53
I do remember that. And
Speaker 2 18:54
then he got in the hoonicorn and took Alex for a ride, and then the hoonicorn caught on fire, and then I got it
Speaker 4 19:03
because it's
Speaker 2 19:04
because that's fine.
Speaker 4 19:04
Yeah, it caught. I already caught on fire. It wasn't gonna catch. It was kind of a normal thing. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1 19:08
kind of a normal thing. It just did. How it
Speaker 2 19:10
runs. It just kind
Speaker 1 19:11
of does that thing. Yeah, don't worry. It's methanol. You don't. You can't see the fire. It's like not even there. You turn around and think into the render. You can't see it. It can't hurt you. You're
Speaker 2 19:18
bawling your eyes out because the methanol is just coming back in your face after each run. Like, was that not like? I don't know.
Speaker 4 19:26
Safety concern.
Speaker 2 19:27
Safety concern or health,
Speaker 4 19:29
like lung. Health and safety. We got
Speaker 1 19:31
you that. We got you the helmet with child abuse. The breather mask. Whoa, whoa, whoa! I didn't have that. That never
Speaker 2 19:36
came. I was in a regular. Yes,
Speaker 1 19:38
CPS listens to everything now. He did.
Speaker 2 19:40
Okay, I'm 18 now. You're
Speaker 1 19:42
good. You're good. You're good. No, like I mean, it's one of those things. Like when it was happening, I'm like, maybe this isn't a good idea, but it's gonna like imagine if something did go
Speaker 2 19:51
wrong too. Like, but you know, nothing did. No, we're fine.
Speaker 1 19:56
Yeah, we're good. Everything, everything was great. I mean, you
Speaker 4 19:58
could also trip and fall crossing the street. Yeah, that's true. So, like, obviously, we
Speaker 1 20:01
talked about that, but you know, something I think about now because, like, I don't think I really thought about that time. But was that then crazy for you? Because you went from sort of like a behind the scenes, like this was like you know during that era, it was very important to you know to your parents that like like none of you guys were in the limelight. You were always in the background, and we didn't show your faces. We didn't say your names, and then all of a sudden, it was this decision of like, okay, this feels like the right time for you because you were getting way more active in motorsports and like racing can-anims and things like that, and karting. So it was like this. It was like, hey, this would be a great opportunity. And then all of a sudden, you were kind of famous overnight. Was that weird?
Speaker 2 20:42
That was wild, to be honest. I don't remember a lot of it, but I just remember, you know, gaining a lot of followers and not knowing what to do with myself. Yeah, do you remember like before? How long
Speaker 4 20:52
before that do we even set up like your Instagram?
Speaker 2 20:54
I don't remember because I
Speaker 4 20:55
had set up an Instagram for all three of them just so I could get their names. Right, right. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 21:00
I I everything's fuzzy after that one, um. But I do remember like a couple years ago watching the first YouTube video I was in where my dad taught me how to do donuts in the um escort.
Speaker 3 21:11
Yeah.
Speaker 2 21:12
Down at UMC, and like I'd braces, like my hands were behind my back the entire time. I would answer one more questions. You know, like that was it, and it's it's pretty crazy to see where we started.
Speaker 1 21:25
Yeah, no, I mean, I just like it was amazing how fast that hit, and how like there was a fan base that just turned up and wanted to root for you because it was kind of a wild thing, and like you took on some absolute killers. Like it wasn't like you were beating slow cars. I mean, you were like you're beating people who were well known. All of that came with
Speaker 2 21:46
lots of controversy. Of course, of
Speaker 1 21:48
course, of course, of course. So, I mean, look, and this is completely a side story, but we had no idea how fast the Hunicorn was when it started. The whole idea of Hoonicorn versus the world was tied to like a concept around video games, which I think was CSR two at the time, or maybe it was a Forza thing. I don't actually remember how it originally started, but you know, and it was like that was the original idea. Was like, oh, it'd be cool to just drag race it against things. And at first, it was like, oh, well, drag race it against like Minova. Like we didn't, he had no idea. And then the first couple cars we brought out, we like just absolutely demolished, and people were like, "Well, you guys are like clearly sandbagging. So then we kept bringing faster, faster, and faster and faster cars, and eventually we got to the point where we were racing some of the fastest cars in like the no prep world, especially the all wheel drive cars like Hank Iroz and Mac and these guys, and it's like we were still beating them, and people were for sure that we were cheating or something. Like, and other than the contest, like they thought we were like paying off the contest, like the competitors to like go slower or something. Because how is it that this car that was built for Jim Conna filming is just absolutely mopping up cars that are built to go drag racing.
Speaker 3 23:04
Yeah,
Speaker 1 23:04
and it's like I still don't really know. I mean, they we eventually realized we had a lot more power. And do you remember beep boop?
Speaker 2 23:10
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, but once you put the twin turbos on it as well, like nobody nobody's dynoed that car. No, we
Speaker 1 23:16
just made up the number 1400 horsepower. We were like, it used to be 800 horsepower, and I think yeah. And then we're like, well, we just added two turbos to it, and like we didn't have time to dyno it, and someone was like, and someone said, someone was like, well, I don't know, it's at least double the power, and I was like, I don't know, 1600 sounds like a lot, 1400 sounds good, and like we just went with it, like we're like, it's better to say it's like less, so we always knew it made power, and then after after talking to the guys on Max's team and their tuner in Dubai, he just did the math of like the weight of the vehicle, the weight of their vehicle, what the power was that they had, the power we had. He was like, "You can't have less than 2300 horse in that car, because it could not like you just mathematically couldn't get that fast. Like it's like we have this, you have this, like yeah, we're a little heavier, but we also have like way more horsepower than you because they were in the 3000 range.
Speaker 2 24:09
Yeah, and the crazy thing is the car can't actually use it properly. No, no, no,
Speaker 1 24:13
no. You you you learned that because you actually that's the most power the car ever had with the stickiest tire, and you you blew it up. So yeah, we couldn't use that. Was the that was the limit of it, yeah,
Speaker 2 24:22
yeah,
Speaker 1 24:22
yeah. I remember the tires. I mean, the tires were moving on the wheel too. We'd move the tire like two or three inches. I I
Speaker 2 24:28
remember us the second day of filming, actually like chalking it and seeing how much it would move, and it was pretty wild. No, that was crazy time.
Speaker 1 24:36
Yeah, well, you're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, I mean, it was one of you were gonna get into it somehow or another. It was just it seemed like a good way to do it and a good way to start it all off. So you know,
Speaker 2 24:46
I mean, 14, 1400.
Speaker 1 24:48
That was the story. If we knew it made 2600, you wouldn't even know gotten into the car yet. We'd still be waiting another six years. So you know, because we really like things to make sense in the title. No, I mean it worked
Speaker 2 24:59
out perfect. So,
Speaker 3 25:01
yeah.
Speaker 4 25:01
Looking back on it, would you do that again now? Like, just say, do you feel comfortable enough to do that again? Yeah.
Speaker 1 25:07
I mean, I can't imagine she's not just way more comfortable now.
Speaker 3 25:10
Yeah.
Speaker 4 25:10
Yeah.
Speaker 1 25:10
Or, or, or were you asking like, was it the night, like, the naiveness of a child to go do something like that? And you look. No, I want
Speaker 2 25:18
to present. Yeah, because
Speaker 1 25:19
I definitely did some like weird mountain climbing stuff with my dad when I was child that I would not do now because I was like, Dad, what the hell are you thinking?
Speaker 4 25:25
You don't think there's no like confidence? Yeah, like we could have
Speaker 1 25:28
died, but back then I'm like, he's my dad. It's fine. It's fine. Dad, the weird
Speaker 2 25:31
thing is, is like if I'd gotten any in any other car at this time and tried to do what I do in the unicorn, like when we were at SEMA that one time, I don't think it'd work.
Speaker 1 25:43
Why is that?
Speaker 2 25:44
I'm just so used to having so much power.
Speaker 1 25:48
Yeah, I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 2 25:50
I don't remember what what we were trying to do. I think it was probably at like Timo Nell or Thurberts. I was trying to do something in a car, and I literally oh, we were with Vaughn. We were with Vaughn, and he was teaching Micah and Kira how to do some drifting in the more RTR stock Mustangs, and I literally could not do a donut. Yeah, but because he
Speaker 4 26:11
did say that it's more difficult in that car,
Speaker 2 26:14
it's just way more difficult with less power.
Speaker 4 26:16
Yes.
Speaker 1 26:16
Yeah. Well, yeah. There's she's got to break the wheel spree and yeah, kind of. And then you know
Speaker 2 26:20
I got in the F F D car while I can do anything I freaking want you know but just
Speaker 4 26:26
Peter don't let's not get excessive do anything you want
Speaker 2 26:30
basically what did I'm just messing with you no I'm like serious like she did
Speaker 4 26:37
yeah
Speaker 2 26:37
and would you ever get would you would you
Speaker 1 26:40
ever go drifting? Is that something you find interesting?
Speaker 2 26:42
No, I don't like judged sports.
Speaker 1 26:45
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 3 26:46
You know that's why I race cars. Timing, it's nice. But you enjoy
Speaker 1 26:51
it for fun.
Speaker 2 26:52
No, yeah, for sure. Obviously, putting a car sideways is very fun. Yeah. Yeah, you and Micah did some
Speaker 4 26:58
tandem.
Speaker 3 26:58
Yeah, with Don
Speaker 2 27:00
that day in the FD cars, it was it was rad. Like it's such a unique sport, and you know the inner and inner workings of those cars are are pretty incredible. So I enjoy it, you know, from the driver's seat. But I don't think I would ever compete in it. Is it
Speaker 1 27:14
wild, kind of being out there and seeing Micah on stage with you now, and like finishing in the top 10 already
Speaker 2 27:22
wild
Speaker 4 27:22
twice in the top 10. Yeah,
Speaker 2 27:24
no, it's pretty crazy. I mean, I still see him as this like five year old kid, annoying little kid. At that, he still annoyed. That's
Speaker 1 27:32
weird. That's why I see you. Yeah, no, but
Speaker 2 27:36
he's he's matured so much.
Speaker 1 27:39
Yeah,
Speaker 2 27:40
and and has kind of always been that way, but he's it's really cool to see, I guess the difference in us two at at the same point when I look back at the same point where I was in my career at that time and at that age, but he's just so detail oriented, and I think as a rally driver, that that's very important. But we just need to make sure he has that, you know, little bit of wild to finish it off. But he's been doing really, really good this
Speaker 1 28:12
year. How are you gonna feel when he starts to catch you?
Speaker 2 28:17
We had a filming day at the ranch recently, and he's been racing K&Ms quite a lot. I forgot this. And so we were doing one lap time, basically, little shootout, and you got three laps to, and then whatever the fastest lap was, that's what you took, and he beat me by two tenths, and I'm not very happy about it.
Speaker 1 28:39
I I once beat your dad by three tenths on an autocross in like a factory fiesta. He didn't talk to me for like the rest of the day, and then just and then just kept complaining about how shitty the car was, and he doesn't like drive. Well, okay, I had a lot of and I'm just too used to driving shit boxes. Like I was like I'm I'm like it was not worth it. Like it was it was great when it happened and I over celebrated and I was like, "Whoa, all right! Like, there is definitely a competitive suit in the box. I'm like, "Dude, I'm I'm not you on the rally stage. We were driving shitbox like production cars on an autocross. Like, yeah, it wasn't a
Speaker 2 29:12
good day. I mean, for
Speaker 4 29:13
a while to recover, but I had I
Speaker 2 29:15
had to remind myself. I'm like, I'm I'm very proud of him, and I I did tell him that, and I said, "I'm sorry for how I reacted. I mean,
Speaker 1 29:20
that would be a really fun future-is the two of you guys going head to head in like the WRC at some point? At some point, that would be a pretty wild story.
Speaker 2 29:30
That would definitely happen.
Speaker 4 29:32
I mean, it's both their goals, so
Speaker 3 29:33
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 29:35
We'll see. This kid already wants to go to a rally three in his first year in rally, so we'll see what dear old dad says. Dear old
Speaker 4 29:44
dad sent a three-year plan. I just haven't had time to read it.
Speaker 2 29:46
Oh God!
Speaker 1 29:46
I've been trying to get dear old dad on the pod because he's full of he's full of such good stories. Like it's just just good, good, good old stories. Gosh,
Speaker 2 29:55
I I listened to a lot of good stories on f1 Academy. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 4 29:59
had a lot. Road trips together. Yeah, you
Speaker 1 30:01
know it's actually funny because he called me and he said that that is like a really special time for him. He enjoys giving you some of the like you know history. It's pretty awesome to
Speaker 2 30:11
to listen to, and he's so good at telling those stories. Yeah, and it's just such a cool insight into how things used to be, right?
Speaker 1 30:19
Yeah, and like you don't like you realize, like not not by his age, but like Derek could have retired before he ever came to Vermont Sports Car to help Subaru. Meaning he had already accomplished a ton with Mitsubishi and Ford. Like he'd already had a whole career before he ever got to to like work with us, you know. So it's like sometimes you forget that because you just think of like his time as it started in that era with Subaru, and then obviously Monster Road Rally Team and everything from there. But like there was a whole era before that that he has like so much history in the sport because like I remember interviewing him for Zero to 60 Magazine about like you know like we did a whole story about him and Mitsubishi before there was ever like you know going to WRC with with you know with your dad and Travis and things like that. So it's like it's like the dude of this whole other life before us, which like you only remember when you show up to a rally and everyone knows. And then the
Speaker 2 31:16
life before that life too. Well, I've told that his childhood.
Speaker 1 31:20
Yeah, he can tell that story on his own, but he's had he's had a he's had a really interesting one. Yeah, his like his stories of like Francesco Delacor and stuff are they're just Tommy
Speaker 2 31:28
Macnon, amazing everyone,
Speaker 1 31:30
amazing, amazing. Well, I always laugh
Speaker 4 31:31
because I think he thought like you know in 2023 that you know maybe he was done with us. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 31:40
yeah.
Speaker 4 31:40
And then then I thought, and then I
Speaker 2 31:42
asked him to come with me. Yeah, then we
Speaker 4 31:44
thought it was one year, just Lee and I racing rally. Yeah, and then it just kept going, and then f1 Academy, and then his time was even more during that time. That was he was working way more then, and then now this running this program, and now he's like looking for Micah's. He just wrote Micah's three-year plan.
Speaker 3 32:02
Yeah.
Speaker 4 32:02
So the poor guy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 32:04
He stuck with us forever. I
Speaker 4 32:05
know.
Speaker 1 32:06
So Luce, how's that striker? You like it?
Speaker 4 32:09
Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 1 32:10
Yeah. How do you like it compared to your other car? You have a you have a Rally Three car. I forget what they're called now because your car changed. Yeah, still Rally Three. Still Rally Three. That's the one that didn't change the name. Yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 4 32:20
in the middle.
Speaker 3 32:20
Okay,
Speaker 4 32:21
Rally Three is definitely more of a rally car. Yeah, you know, but hopefully they're going to get this one sorted out. Yeah, I mean it's so much fun to drive, and I'm used to driving Canams, so it's really fun to drive. They're not letting them drive in rallies anymore.
Speaker 1 32:37
Yeah, what I didn't hear all of that. I just got a tease of that the other day from Texas Dave that it's shut down. Like, do do you know why? Can you talk on it? You're kind of making that face of like maybe I shouldn't talk about it, but
Speaker 4 32:49
well, um, I think were they doing were they doing too
Speaker 1 32:53
well against other cars? Yeah,
Speaker 2 32:55
Micah ruined it for everyone. Yeah, Micah got a top 10 and Overmound and ruined it. All three of them
Speaker 4 32:59
were in top 10.
Speaker 2 33:00
Oh yeah,
Speaker 4 33:01
I mean that was a rally that, you know, was very good for those cars, right? Very tight, very rare. There's no
Speaker 2 33:07
top speed needed. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4 33:09
they're lacking at this moment until they get the transmission reworked. But I just think it's such a good entry point for people in the rally. You know that the service is so much less the cost, running cost is so much less than the Rally Three or the Rally Two. 5% of the
Speaker 2 33:25
cost. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4 33:27
crazy the amount you know that you would spend on running those cars. So I just think it it would be great for Rally, but I just think there's that nervousness. There's like uncertainty, unsure. Like will other manufacturers be upset if these cars are in there and winning, or or or will other brands of UTVs? Although it's not a UTV, it is a car. It's a striker, just with the you know the
Speaker 1 33:49
guts of a guts of a UT, right? Drivetrain stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 4 33:52
So I don't know. It's one of those nervousness.
Speaker 1 33:55
Yeah. I think I understand it, and I understand that from the rally perspective-it's not the purest side. And Ron and I did a whole podcast here. You guys should maybe listen
Speaker 3 34:06
to it
Speaker 1 34:07
if you ever have a free moment.
Speaker 2 34:08
Maybe
Speaker 1 34:09
about like how do we how do we like save rally in America? And that part of rally's problem in America is like we race small European cars that aren't even sold here. Yeah, right. Like there's not a connection to that, and it's just not maybe as exciting as some other things. And at the end of the day, like you know, spending a couple $100,000 to go race rally and then tell your friends you drive like you know a Yaris is not as exciting as someone who goes and races a GT three, right? So that there's those pieces, but then there's also just like the visual of it and all that. And we were talking about how like Stryker fills in a weird gap there because it's it's affordable, but it's also like you know dollar for experience. It's like a really good time, right, of what you get to go do, and it's faster than a lot of the other cars out there. But I could also see like. Running a proper rally car and then having the striker beat you, and you feel especially
Speaker 2 35:04
when you're spending that much money.
Speaker 1 35:06
Yeah, and you're it's like the purest versus non purist. So it's like it's almost a question of like can you have like it almost should probably be like a parallel series to it, where like you just have them not race one stage because then the time like because it's always gonna be that it's the final podium thing, but I don't know, I get it. But like, there should still be the opportunity for that for the for those cars to come because we need more entry points for other people to enjoy rally.
Speaker 4 35:34
Yeah, we need something for like someone that's already a professional driver somewhere else. They're not gonna want to drop drop. Yeah, get into a rally four, right? A two-wheel drive car that's not going to very fast. It's not fun for them. So if you just give them an avenue to get in and experience it, maybe then they would go into a rally two, right?
Speaker 1 35:51
It's also a really good like a ride and drive program for pro drivers who have other automaker deals because if they're a driver for Porsche or they're a driver, you know, for you know Toyota, and there isn't a that available for them to show up and drive. Like they can just go run a striker, have rallied their their partner, their sponsor doesn't care, things like that. You know, like there's there's certainly a value there. Maybe
Speaker 4 36:15
I'll send this clip to ARA.
Speaker 1 36:17
Yeah, can you talk about? Do you know what happened? They just-it just was an internal meeting. I had
Speaker 4 36:22
meetings with internal meetings. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1 36:27
Micah ruined it for everybody. Good job, kid. Good job. Out there, just being too fast. They're not
Speaker 4 36:32
ready for it. They're not, you know. It. Yeah. I don't know. Hopefully, I, I propose that they let them go to rallies that are not nationals.
Speaker 1 36:43
Yeah.
Speaker 4 36:43
So regional rallies that aren't nationals because they don't want the times compared. Well, and that's why I said that's why I said
Speaker 1 36:49
like you drop a stage,
Speaker 4 36:50
right? But they still don't like stage by stage. They don't want to see on stage four they were this close. I just feel like it's just that it's the scared thing that people were scared of electric cars when they first came out, right? Like, oh, it's going to ruin our economy. Our economy runs off of oil. Did it? No, I mean everything kind of evened out.
Speaker 1 37:10
Yeah, I mean, I still don't love electric cars, but sure. I'm not saying you have to love them, but it didn't ruin our economy. The fear was
Speaker 4 37:17
unnecessary.
Speaker 1 37:18
Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know. It's an interesting one. I mean, I think that this could be. This is a whole other conversation of like, what do we have to do in America for more people to understand the sport?
Speaker 2 37:30
Well, I think we've already started.
Speaker 1 37:31
It's beginning.
Speaker 2 37:32
It's beginning. Yeah. I mean, God, the championship just this year. How different it looks. Well, I
Speaker 4 37:37
think getting rid of open class cars able to take the like the win,
Speaker 2 37:42
yeah, the the overall win it
Speaker 4 37:44
stopped people from building those crazy cars and gave people like oh these are we can afford the rally too which they wouldn't have done in the past because the open class would always beat them so it was a point but now they could win the championship in that car
Speaker 1 37:56
when you look at the top 15 or so cars and it feels like a European rally because it's all like RC two, RC threes, and it's like that's great because the thing that we were always missing here was obviously we our drivers weren't doing you know two pass recess they weren't learning the notes on the level, especially in the early days. Like I don't know if you yeah I was gonna say I don't know if you noticed, but back in the day it was Jemba notes, so like you didn't even
Speaker 4 38:20
get to you didn't even get to do rec. I've
Speaker 2 38:22
heard Alex and Re complain. So sometimes he did
Speaker 1 38:25
just like it was basically computer generated notes and you know and you just got those and you and then right then we had like a one pass recce with the Jemba where all you were doing was fixing the Jemba notes right like oh no that's actually like that's a that turn tightens, that turn opens, you know things like that.
Speaker 4 38:43
Yeah, and the computer generated notes for how they drove their car. Right. So where you drove it on the right on the road. So depending
Speaker 1 38:50
on how the person drove it, it could adjust and change. And remember, with record, you're not driving closed roads either. So a lot of times, like you're you're driving one side or another. Do you know don't cut notes weren't in there as well and things like that, so there was a lot to learn. So when a lot of the earlier drivers, like your dad and Travis, went over WRC, it was like even PWRC when we went to Mexico in whatever 2006. Well, no one could come. It was like notes were crazy
Speaker 2 39:15
because a lot of European drivers don't do one to six.
Speaker 1 39:18
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 39:19
That's what you were stuck. Yeah, and they were stuck with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2 39:21
so I
Speaker 1 39:22
mean, they-it's all over the map in the rest of the world. Like, I remember sitting with Reese Millen, and he has seven, and I was like, "What's seven? He's like, "A straight line. I was like, "What? That's the most confusing thing I've ever heard. He's like, "Oh no, that's how I do it. Like, I'm like, I guess it makes sense. Like, six is a fast corner, and seven is just straight. Does he say seven
Speaker 4 39:41
for 300?
Speaker 1 39:42
Yeah, you do seven 300, I guess, instead of straight. Yeah, he was doing notes for Sarah Price on a project we did with Fiat, and I was watching the in cars with Sarah, and I'm like, "What is seven? And she's like, "A straight line. I was like, "Oh, you've learned wrong. But you know, and then you look at you know Loeb used to do. Like 90% 95% Like you would do like the craziest numbers.
Speaker 4 40:04
Angles or he did angles. Yeah, angles. And your drivers do like degrees. Sorry, angles. Yeah, degrees. Yeah,
Speaker 1 40:09
yeah. So just a wild like way to to kind of look at it. But anyway, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk more. So the other week we held Trefunks. For those of you who listen to the pod, you know that that is the Volkswagen Audi nerd event that I host with my good friend Jason Whipple. What does that mean? Well, that means that this RS2 behind me got washed and cleaned and detailed twice in one week. Yeah, you can thank G Technique for that. So we've done a partnership with G Technic and part of that partnership, because Vinny set it up, was that I had to actually promise to do a better job at keeping my cars clean. Since this car had already been ceramic coated by G Technic, it made it a lot easier to get it ready for the event. Quick wash, boom, we were ready to go. But after 1000 miles of road grime and two absolute animals inside of it, just living off of gas station, convenience store snacks. I need a full inside and out kind of big wash. And unfortunately, it's been a really busy week for me. But my detailer came by and took care of it with a bevy of G Technic products. Actually, left a really nice smell in the leather. This product, especially like the dash shine and the leather vinyl cleaner that they use, it just has like an OEM smell to it, which I really enjoy because I got in my car and it smelled OEM plus. You should go check out G Technik at gtechnik.com. That's G Technic with a Q. Be less like me, and you know, take care of your car. Keep it running, keep it detailed, and have G Tech help you along the way. By now, you might have realized I really enjoy European things. I mean, my cars are European, my tools are European. I mean, my producer-he's he's British, which I think is still European.
Speaker 6 41:55
That was rude, but go on.
Speaker 1 41:57
Did I tell you what I did this weekend?
Speaker 6 41:58
What did you do?
Speaker 1 41:59
So I decided that I'm gonna actually park the Vanagon for a little bit and get back to driving the RS2, like literally knock the dust off of it. And to do that, I figured I'd do a little preventive maintenance. It's not something I think of when I think of you, dude. Yeah, you see, the problem is that car gets a lot of things right, but there's this one issue where the strut bearings just constantly fail, especially if the car is like slammed on its nuts like minus. So I ordered a set of strut bearings from FCP Euro, got them, and was gonna swap them out. And I stripped this really annoying nut. Like seriously, curse the German engineer who designed this. It's like a weird half castle nut. It requires this weird specialty tool, and if you put too much force on it, it gives up. So anyway, I stripped that, and now my car was on a jack stand. And honestly, I was about to just leave it there, like I've left many other projects to die. But it's the RS two, so headed in, went to fcpeuro.com, found the part because they had it in Arizona. They were able to overnight it to me. Boom! I had it the next day at my farm. Got the car back on the road. It was awesome. FCP Euro most likely has the parts you need and can get them to you pronto. You know, so you can keep driving the cool cars. That's what matters. Heatwave just created my favorite sunglasses of all time: the Easy Rider Photochromic. Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I've learned to really value what yellow lenses can do for your vision when you're driving at night in your 40s. And look, I get it. Yellow lenses they can be a little dorky unless you're cosplaying as the operator from Sicario. But with these, they actually transition to look like regular shades in the sunlight, letting you stealthily blend right in. So anyway, thanks Heatwave for making these for me. I guess they actually made them for everybody. Go find yours at heatwavevisual.com. If you haven't noticed, quiet wealth is in, flash is out, and the folks at KW understand they now offer the classic line. Think the KW suspension you've learned to love and trust, but now in all black, the perfect subtle flex. Plus, if you're trying to fly under the radar with, say, your future in-laws, you could pass these off as OEM. Because after all, you are an adult, right? Anyway, find them and plenty other applications at kwsuspensions.com. Face it, there's only three kinds of us: those that torque nothing, those that torque everything, and there's those that use torque wrenches as breaker bars. Whereas new tool has two out of three covered. Their new torque lock feature is a switch that disengages the mechanism on their torque wrenches, so you can kind of use it as it was intended, as a breaker bar. Okay, I don't exactly belong to the third camp, but I've dabbled. I've committed the ultimate no-no, cracked the lug free with a torque wrench, but I swear that life is behind me now that I've got a torque lock torque wrench from Wera. Go get yourself one. WeraTools.com. Luce, do you remember when we first
Speaker 3 44:52
met? Yeah, Gumball.
Speaker 1 44:55
Yeah, do you remember? Like, I literally the night we first met. I don't think I can tell your daughter this story. She's like trying to remember it.
Speaker 4 45:04
Where was it? Trafalgar Square.
Speaker 1 45:06
Trafalgar Square. Yeah, like I was like shipped out to do a story. I had like a day to prep for it. We
Speaker 4 45:13
did that photo shoot, right?
Speaker 3 45:14
I don't even in front of the cars. I don't think I was there.
Speaker 1 45:18
I think I showed up after that when you guys got back to the the hotel, and I was supposed to like meet you guys. I didn't really, I didn't know anyone. The only person who I recognized was Deer Dick, and this is like pre Robin Big, so like Deer Dick's not MTV. But
Speaker 4 45:36
Big was there.
Speaker 1 45:37
Big was there, but I didn't really. I I knew him from the D. I knew him from like, actually, I don't even think DC Video had happened yet. I think I really only had come out yet.
Speaker 4 45:46
Did the commercial we did with Rob?
Speaker 1 45:48
Maybe the first commercial there, but the actual the actual like main video hadn't hit yet. And anyway, long story short, like I show up and I'm like just sitting in the lobby because I have like no idea how to connect with anyone because like Pam was like, yeah, just show up in Trafalgar Square and you'll you know you'll find them, and I'm like sitting in the hotel or whatever, and like you know I was there to like travel with your mom and dad, but like I was supposed to connect with with your dad, and I get there and like Ken's like, oh hey yeah, what's up, and he just looked at me and went, you're really big, I don't think you're gonna fit in the car, and then went up to his hotel room. I didn't have a hotel room because I had nothing planned, so I was just sitting in the lobby. And then everybody like went up to their hotel rooms. I was like, "All right, whatever. And then you and Susie came back down, and you're like, "You guys are like, you want to get a drink? I was like, "Sure. And then I just partied with you, with your mom, Susie, and Black for the rest of the night. Everyone else went to bed. Damon, I think Damon was up for a little bit, and like so. My first experience, and I think this is something that's kind of funny, is like your mom and I were way better friends in the beginning because we were the party ones, and like even when you were little. So like fast forward, we would like go to Mexico, and it would always be like, all right, like like Luce and I are going out. Came to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was always this like like we were the ones who were always like doing things because like I was I don't I was in my like late 20s at the time or mid 20s or something like that. And I thought it
Speaker 3 47:16
was yeah still thinking yeah
Speaker 1 47:19
yeah yeah yeah. So it's so it's always funny because I remember like at some point, like explaining to somebody, they're like, "Oh, do you like like like do you know Lucy well? Like, and I'm like, "Yeah, I don't think you have any idea how much time Lucy and I have spent lost in foreign countries in a car asking her child to translate in Spanish to somebody, Don de Esrali. Leah,
Speaker 4 47:44
talk to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1 47:45
yeah, because you were quite fluent in Spanish when you were like three, so it helped a lot in some of the countries we were we were we were traveling in. So sometimes, so yeah, definitely, definitely goes back. I mean, we
Speaker 4 48:01
stayed up a lot of nights figuring out our rec, our our plan, our rally plan.
Speaker 1 48:06
I don't know about it for you because you eventually went on and actually got to go race rally, which I never did. Because here is the other funny. So, like I when I first met, like you know your parents and like that whole crew afterwards, you know, your dad was like, "Oh, you should come to Team O'Neal's, come to rally school. Went up there, did rally school, super cool. And I left. I'm like, "I'm gonna build a rally car, and I like got super tight with the Duplessis, and I started building a Volkswagen, and so on and so on. And then, like, fast forward like another year, and like, like prepping the car, and I'm like planning to run it for the following year, and you know that's the conversation. You know, and your dad said, "Do you want to come and help me start my own race team? And we'll do that to start, and then we're gonna we're gonna launch Hoon again afterwards because we'd already been talking about that. And I said, "Yeah, sure. Fuck that. Of course, I want to do that. Sounds great. And I had left the magazines, and at some point, I was like, in my head, I was like, I was like, well, like I was planning on race rally this year, and he went, yeah, that can't happen if you're working for me, racing rally, and that was it. It was just over. Like that was just that moment of like, you're not you, you're not racing too. Like I'm racing. You're telling people about me racing, and I was like, "Got it. Yeah, check. Yeah, so I just left that rally car at Soupies for like five years, and eventually sold it. But yeah, so anyway, but in the early days, we would get out our rally racing by going spectating, and it was first just me and your mom, and then Ron joined the group, and it was wild times. And you were usually in the back seat at certain points, a car seat, and then eventually Matt joined the group, and we slowed down by like 60 miles an hour everywhere we went because Matt was Matt was very like he was. Not that he was. It wasn't Matt. Matt. No, no, Matt. Matt the solo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Matt, what? Taco.
Speaker 4 50:06
The kids call Mac Taco. I don't.
Speaker 2 50:08
I couldn't read Solo, so I just assumed it was Taco.
Speaker 1 50:11
Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. Have you guys have you seen Matt lately?
Speaker 2 50:14
No,
Speaker 4 50:15
no. But I did see the horse post. He's with a horse girl.
Speaker 1 50:18
He is with a horse girl. Like she
Speaker 4 50:20
was out of town and he was having to take care of the horse.
Speaker 1 50:22
Yeah, like Matt is living a life I never expected for him. But no, no, I think I think he's in Tennessee.
Speaker 4 50:28
Oh, or something.
Speaker 1 50:29
I think he's between. I think he's back and forth. But it is pretty rad to see. Like it's rad. Like he's he's become a different person. He seems happy. So I mean, he was scared of
Speaker 4 50:39
kids, and now he's touching horses, so
Speaker 1 50:41
it's a big step. It's a big step for him.
Speaker 2 50:43
I I do remember like Matt like not not liking us, and that no no no no no no no no no. He did not like he did not like you guys. Not only did he
Speaker 1 50:53
not like like Matt would have killed for you guys. Yeah, he just didn't know how to deal with children. Well, also because germs, there was just an awkwardness. Like he just was always he he was just. I don't want. He's not here to defend himself. But you know, Matt's Matt. Yeah, and then your
Speaker 4 51:09
dad would torture him,
Speaker 1 51:10
and so would I, and so would Ron
Speaker 4 51:12
babies, and
Speaker 1 51:13
so would Kate Cope, and so would Derek. Yeah,
Speaker 4 51:17
he really got tortured.
Speaker 1 51:18
I wonder. Has she ever? I can't tell it on on here, but does she know the shower the shower kit story? That's a story you need to learn at some point. I need Matt to come on to tell that story because Matt needs to be there for that story. But it is. Do you know it?
Speaker 2 51:33
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 51:34
See, what makes this so good is like this is where you understand the depths of Derek's evil because you realize that Derek has a deadpan evil that is just so good, and his his ability to run a two year long prank is incredible. I mean, at one point, your dad called me and was like, "You guys have to stop! Like, this is just insane. This is insane. You have to stop. We we let a prank run for two and a half years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 52:01
So I have a really good story then about Derek. Oh, let's
Speaker 3 52:04
hear it. No,
Speaker 2 52:07
not not evil. He's the sweetest guy. Evil in
Speaker 1 52:10
a good way. Like the
Speaker 2 52:11
links he will go. The links he will go. Yeah, it's you know
Speaker 1 52:14
evil's wrong. It's diabolical.
Speaker 2 52:15
Yeah,
Speaker 1 52:16
it's diabolical. But it's like I respect it. Derek's one of my favorite human beings in the world. We'll step start by saying that.
Speaker 2 52:23
Mine too. It was my first year F1 Academy. We'd done testing in Saudi. I was racing the Spanish Winter F4 series. We were flying straight from there back to Jeddah. Landed. My bag didn't make it. We were flying out of Barcelona. That tracks right. Remember
Speaker 4 52:42
this.
Speaker 2 52:43
My bag didn't make it with all my race gear. Usually, I had a set in my in my like carry on, but not enough to make it through the race weekend. And granted, first F1 Academy race weekend ever. So we were tracking it. This was like two days later, right? We're doing track walk and stuff. Derek ends up disappearing for the day. The bag had made it there. I had an air tag in it, but nothing was updating. No one could go get it. Derek went to the airport, pretended he was military,
Speaker 1 53:22
of course.
Speaker 2 53:22
Somehow snuck into like the baggage department, customs, found my bag, brought it back to the hotel.
Speaker 1 53:31
Of course he did. By the way, there's a small part of me that actually thinks that Derek is really like what they call like you know like it's like when you're like in the military and you're like black ops and you become a ghost because like you were like because whatever you did was so crazy they had to they had to remove you from the system and you don't actually exist anymore because there's been times where we were in some crazy situations like being in Turkey when there was like almost a revolt or when we were when the when there was that crazy Icelandic volcano and none of us could fly home from Turkey and all these that was Turkey twice. I didn't think about that. And like all of a sudden, like and all of a sudden, Derek had like all this information that no one else had. That like definitely felt like some James Bond level shit. And I was just like, okay. He was like, he's like, you need to show up at the airport at this time. They're going to release three seats, and you're going to be one of them. Sure enough, like boom, there's my seat. I'm like, what is going on? Like, what does he know?
Speaker 3 54:31
I mean, he's like, he's like Jane. Yeah,
Speaker 1 54:34
yeah.
Speaker 2 54:34
So many situations that we wouldn't have made it through without him.
Speaker 1 54:40
Yeah, no, he he he again one of the best people, but also like sweetest person ever. Sometimes, because I also remember like the first time I met him, he wasn't that I had. You have to earn. You have to earn it with Derek. You have to earn it with him, right? My first time ever meeting Derek. It was X Games, the first X Games. So you've got you know Colin McRae's over running the no fear car. You know your dad Travis. I think Tanner was there as well, and they were doing testing up in Gorman, and I was out there covering it for WRC.com, and I show up, you know, got a flat brim hat on, like you know, baggy pants and a t-shirt, and I could just, I like Derek sees me walking, and he's just like, "Who the fuck is this? Right? I could just see it, right? I'd never met him before, and then I knew of him, but I didn't really, I didn't, you know. And I walk up and I introduce myself, and he kind of gives me like, all right, yeah, you're gonna be out there, and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna be out taking photos. So, like, all of a sudden, there's just no cars coming out for like 30 or 40 minutes, and I hike all the way back in, and everyone's eating lunch. I was like, so when I went back out, I was like, hey, Derek, do you mind if I get a walkie, so that when I'm out there, I like know when the cars are coming because like I'm moving like on stage and so on and so on. And he looked at me and he went, "No, you don't get a walkie. He just turned around and walked away. I was like, and there was like clearly a box of walkies. It wasn't like there weren't extra walkies. She's just like no walkie for you.
Speaker 2 56:25
Sorry, you don't earn it yet.
Speaker 1 56:27
Yeah, and I was like this guy. Like all right, and like there was a part of me. I was like, I was like, because you know I knew like Clint Fast was on the team at that point. I was like, maybe go ask one of them, like whatever. And I and I just like went walking back out. And the day I go home, and my job was to write something every day for WFC.com, so I write that piece, and I knew about Derek, and I and I wrote it, and then the next morning I get there, and he was like, "You and I need to speak, and I was like, "Oh boy,
Speaker 4 56:54
you talked about the walkie?
Speaker 1 56:55
No, no, no, I just talked about the day. He's like, "Come here, and I was like, okay. We sat down. He said,
Speaker 4 57:02
"You're taller than him.
Speaker 1 57:04
I'm taller than Derek by a few inches, but he's still a very intimidating man. Yeah, yeah. He, he, and he has, like I said, he has like a Jason Bourne quality about him. Like where you're just like, I don't know. Like I, I feel like this man could like kill me with a bic pen, you know? Like, but at the same time, like, doesn't seem intimidating. It's like a weird nature for him, and I'm sitting there looking at him, and he said, "So I read your story last night. I'm like, "Oh no, what did I say? What, like, what, like, what, like, you know? Because I, because I was like, it was, it was a story, but like, I still have like a sarcastic tone about things, and I, and I went okay, and he just pulled out the walkie and put on the table and got up and walked away. And I was like, I had earned my walkie, like like that was it, like that was that like opening moment, like okay, you get a walkie today, yeah. So I got to eat lunch that day. Yep, yep, it was it was it. So and after that, it just you know you just continue to grow. You continue to grow that bond. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 58:06
Once you understand his humor and and how he is a person, like he's
Speaker 1 58:10
yeah. And we like especially Ron and I. Ron and I we raised hell in the early years at in WRC, and and I think like I think at first he was like, "What have I signed up for? But man, he protected us on so many things. He went to bat for us against the FIA. Like, yeah, Ron and I used to steal the WRC TV stickers off of the official broadcast vehicles because they refused to give us media passes because we were part of the team. So we would just go take them off their cars and then just drive our cars to the front of the stage and just leave them there and just disappear into the woods. Yeah, we weren't. Yeah, yeah. So wait, we were doing. That's why back in the day, your dad used to refer to me as thug marketing because it was like there was just like I don't care. I'm just gonna do it. I was like, I was just such a New Yorker about everything I did. So, but yeah, it was it was it was good fun times. So
Speaker 2 58:58
worked out.
Speaker 1 58:59
So this season,
Speaker 2 59:02
yeah,
Speaker 1 59:03
it was really good, and then it wasn't.
Speaker 2 59:05
No, yeah, I mean, once I decided that I was I was leaving F1 Academy, it was it was kind of late that Williams let me announce that. It wasn't until after Vegas, so mid November.
Speaker 1 59:17
Oh, so they restricted you from saying anything? Yeah,
Speaker 2 59:19
I wasn't allowed to say anything until after the last race, so therefore, there weren't many opportunities, you know, for me to come back to rally without, you know, fully funding my own season and, you know, running my own team.
Speaker 3 59:36
Yeah.
Speaker 2 59:36
Um, which thankfully we have Derek and and he's done that many times, especially here in the state. So, we got to that conclusion very quickly, and just had to start working on it and scraping together whatever budget we could find.
Speaker 1 59:53
I mean, I heard you guys you hauled the car to like
Speaker 2 59:56
don't even talk to me about it
Speaker 1 59:57
to the port or something after this.
Speaker 4 59:59
No, we. Have to
Speaker 1 1:00:00
oh okay
Speaker 4 1:00:01
we drove for 24 hours to go we did
Speaker 2 1:00:04
have a U haul trailer behind the van for tires and parts that we had to take to the rally for them to go back to Atlanta
Speaker 4 1:00:10
to go
Speaker 2 1:00:11
to the freight company to then get shipped back to Spain
Speaker 3 1:00:14
that's good because
Speaker 2 1:00:15
I don't have any more money to pay anybody to do that for me builds character it's good it does and it's how a lot of lot of people do that in ARA. I saved us
Speaker 4 1:00:22
like eight grand in flights. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:00:24
kind of crazy, but like at the beginning we were like, well, we don't have enough money to do this, but we're gonna do it anyway. So we obviously Derek did most of everything and got us in contact with Philip Case and and his team over out of Spain that's been running Hyundai's and we got in touch with them and ended up getting car shipped over. That was didn't make it in time for snowdrift, so I had to go rent a Rally Three car with Element to race that race, which ended up working out pretty perfectly because Snowdrift-it's not
Speaker 4 1:01:01
a race for speed.
Speaker 2 1:01:02
Yeah, for people who don't know, we're not allowed to run studs here in the states or in Michigan specifically on road sections. So therefore, we can't run them in the rally. So all we have are snow or ice tires, and that's very unpredictable. So most people don't go to snowdrift for the reason that they don't want to wreck their car at the first race of the season,
Speaker 1 1:01:21
doing 27 miles an
Speaker 2 1:01:22
hour. Exactly. Yeah. So, and it was my first time at Snowdrift for that reason, and it was a big learning curve. Obviously, you know, first time back in a rally car in two years, besides one rally with with Ria Boone the previous year, and I learned a lot car control wise and just the unpredictability of the surface and and over even just from morning to to evening like how it changes and and what looks like what and where is ice where is not and where to push and where to not so it was very interesting that that rally ended up in disqualification Travis had put it off middle of the last day. I was leading the rally. I was rooting
Speaker 1 1:02:07
for you sitting there. I mean, only who people who follow rally understand the rally combiner thingy and how annoying and how and how and how annoying it is to be the fact that that's the only thing that we have to follow rally when we're not there. Actually, even when you are there, you need it. But yeah, rally sneak attack.
Speaker 2 1:02:26
No, it was it was a pretty crazy situation, and it's also crazy how the the season started is how the season ended.
Speaker 1 1:02:34
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you and Oliver Solberg like had a conversation?
Speaker 2 1:02:40
Not not not personally yet. But so it
Speaker 1 1:02:42
might have been too soon, but right after it happened, I texted Ron. I went "fuck, and he replied, "Fuck, and then I said, "But I think there's a really fun skit we could do where Oliver and Leah belong to like a support group for people who threw it away in the last couple of turns. Okay, bad things happened in the last couple of turns. A good support. There is a skit there of the two of you, and I think we also could bring in J.R. Hildebrand because he famously crashed on the fourth corner of winning the Indy, the Indy 500, and then went backwards, went like on fire through the finish line and finished second, and law and like so like there's a support group for for people like you. So maybe we'll we'll make that gonna be a great idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like yeah, I mean, I look.
Speaker 3 1:03:38
No, I've been here
Speaker 1 1:03:39
before with the with someone with the last name Block, so like it's it happens. It's it's part of rally, but that rally
Speaker 4 1:03:45
LSPR has definitely put us through the ringer a couple times.
Speaker 1 1:03:49
Yeah, thought I was breaking the
Speaker 2 1:03:50
cycle this year. It didn't didn't happen. No, you already broke.
Speaker 4 1:03:54
Bernie won the championship once or a championship. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:03:57
how big of a difference was it for you doing the you know when you were in two wheel drive and in a rear wheel drive car, like did it feel mentally different for you being sort of at the front of the pack than being in sort of racing in your own class? What was that three years ago now?
Speaker 2 1:04:12
Yeah, I think so, but I think like taking the two years off, it seemed like a smoother transition in a way and less daunting, and. you know, obviously, I basically skipped rally three to go straight to rally two. I'd only done one race, and I guess you can count snowdrift now. But it's a big speed change. But I think because I've I was at those speeds and and higher for two years in F1 Academy. Granted, it's tarmac. It's totally different style of driving. It just like
Speaker 1 1:04:45
just crash barriers, catch fences.
Speaker 2 1:04:47
Yeah, you don't have to use a chain. You have to use a chainsaw to get your car out of the woods when you
Speaker 1 1:04:51
go in too deep. Yeah, but yeah, but you're very not for other
Speaker 4 1:04:54
people taking you out. There's that right. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:04:56
yeah. Um, I guess it just wasn't I. High speed coordination, I guess you could call it, just was it was already there. So stepping into the rally, I mean, I I have a lot of self confidence, anyways, that I just automatically think I can do it, you know, and I have to be proven wrong, you know, for for me to understand that. So going into 100 acre wood after only having one test in the car, like yeah, it was a big change. But I already wanted to win, so I, I guess I just
Speaker 3 1:05:30
got on with my life. Just happened.
Speaker 1 1:05:34
You're a manifestor.
Speaker 2 1:05:35
Well, no, I just think you're like you're like I'm gonna win. I just think I can do it, and so obviously I get knocked down a couple of times and just get back up and keep going. But for the most part, um, yeah, just happens that way. And I, I was pissed after Hunter Acre Wood, honestly. Like I obviously was my first rally, and but I don't, I don't ever like give myself that like benefit of the doubt or like that excuse going into it, like sure afterwards, like to reconcile mentally, like I, I'll, I'll understand that, or Derek helps me understand that stuff. But no, I was, I was not happy sitting off the overall podium. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was close as well, and I, I think my, my timid driving on at least the power stage with dust and dark, like you know, I I could have done it, and I think that's what what pissed me off so much.
Speaker 1 1:06:31
I mean, 100 Acre Wood though is like is one of the high commitment rallies of. It's
Speaker 2 1:06:35
very very high speed and
Speaker 1 1:06:37
high commitment.
Speaker 2 1:06:38
Yeah, the the more you know the stages, obviously, the the easier it is, but it's very daunting, especially in a Rally Two car for the first time. But I feel like you know, with the experience that I've had had there, like in the in the R 2t and then the rear wheel drive car, like at least I knew something about it going into it versus you know absolutely nothing. But
Speaker 4 1:06:58
do you think driving in the dust has gotten any easier for you? No,
Speaker 2 1:07:01
unfortunately, I I suck at driving in the gates. I hate it. I hate it so much. And even though I I'm I'm very confident with my my notes and and how I write them, it's very hard for me to trust myself.
Speaker 3 1:07:14
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:07:14
and it it was really difficult. Like I remember when we raced the Baja 1000, like oh my god I I was just freaking out like I couldn't do it but I mean it's something that I've gotten a little bit better at when things are you know on the line but I I don't think that I I I have that little bit of a barrier in my brain when it comes to something like that which is unfortunate is it is it
Speaker 1 1:07:39
a barrier thing? Like you just start to kind of shut. Yeah, I
Speaker 2 1:07:43
start to kind of like lose myself just a tiny bit and lose that confidence. And you know, it's it's odd because I've never had something knock me down in a situation like that due to dust. You know, never had a crash because of it, but just always been something that I've struggled with, which is interesting.
Speaker 1 1:08:01
I know it's a weird one, but have you ever tried driving with like yellow lenses? I did at some drift. Yeah, because I know for some drivers it helps create more sort of definition and texture. Like I know, like I think Yarimadi drove with yellow glasses for a lot of rally.
Speaker 2 1:08:16
Yeah, but you obviously, unless you start a stage and can see the dust already. Like it, it comes in patches. Oh yeah, yeah. So you you don't know those situations. Um, but unless you wear them all the
Speaker 4 1:08:28
time.
Speaker 3 1:08:29
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:08:29
yeah, it's true. Um, but it's a literally a pair of
Speaker 1 1:08:32
yellow glasses right in front. You can try them on for the rest of the trip. Um, no, I mean it's yeah, that's it's a scary thing.
Speaker 2 1:08:39
Yeah, not being able to see what's in front of you is is very difficult. But you know, it's something that I'll I'll have to learn. But you know, 90% of it.
Speaker 3 1:08:49
Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:08:50
Usually you don't have that. So barrier.
Speaker 1 1:08:52
I I wanted to ask this before, but do you think you ever see yourself going back to open wheel?
Speaker 2 1:08:56
No.
Speaker 1 1:08:56
Really?
Speaker 2 1:08:57
I I don't love it enough, and I I feel like I've I've been able to try a lot of different disciplines, you know, since I started driving when I was 11 years old, and knowing that you know it's kind of like checking off a box, like yeah, that's good, don't need to do that, and don't need to do that. Like that open wheel was the final step, and once I once I've I've done it, and you know I I know that it's not for me. Like, why would I need to do it?
Speaker 1 1:09:28
So like before you went to f1 Academy, or when you're about to go there, we had a conversation on this, and you really thought Open Wheel was your future.
Speaker 2 1:09:35
I yeah, like you were that
Speaker 1 1:09:37
was like what you thought your path was. Was that weird to like kind of like how long did it take for you to realize that that wasn't the path?
Speaker 2 1:09:45
Yeah, good half a season.
Speaker 3 1:09:46
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:09:47
I think well, and especially that that milestone of of winning, it just you know kind of all came crumbling down around me, and like I just I didn't enjoy it enough, didn't have the passion to like really. Give my all to it at all times, and and actually make it to where I want to go. Because if if I'm choosing one path, I'm choosing to go all the way. You know, I'm not I'm not splitting equal. I'm not just going half way for either of them. So if I was gonna stay the f1 route, I'm going to make it to f1 or or that's it. And same with WRC. So that kind of was like the biggest deciding factor for me.
Speaker 1 1:10:25
Do you think? Let me ask you an honest question. Do you think that there was also this feeling that like everyone expected you to go do rally, and that was sort of this like plan, like that, like that's what she's gonna go do. Yeah. And open wheel was like you being like, no, I'm gonna go do something completely different. Ha ha! Like, was there a bit of that?
Speaker 2 1:10:44
I think so for sure. I mean, it's always been, you know, since I've been in the limelight, you know, Ken Block's daughter, this, that, right? Which I have no problem with, but when you're put in a box like that from when you're really young, it just kind of deters you from some things. Yeah. Um. So you know, me trying to find kind of the unique path, I guess, kind of like pushed me towards doing something different for the time being. Obviously, you know, it switched around on myself quite fast. I mean, rally's the best sport, so you have to make excuses
Speaker 1 1:11:19
for coming back. Like it's
Speaker 2 1:11:20
it's hard because people always have this have this argument, but I've I've truly done and seen both. I've driven an f1 car, like and and I'm I'm good. I'm I like the dirt. I like rally cars.
Speaker 1 1:11:33
Yeah. Is there anything else you think you would do, like?
Speaker 2 1:11:37
Um, I don't like going in circles and I don't like going straight. Um, so no.
Speaker 1 1:11:41
How about like, you know, like a GT three step cars or touring cars? Maybe one in Dorns or Nurburgring 24 hours. I would love
Speaker 2 1:11:50
to do Le Mans. Yeah, I think, but that would be perfect on my career for sure. And maybe go back to Pike's Peak one day. But I think that's that's definitely for a little bit down. There's a
Speaker 1 1:12:03
lot of people who want you back to Pike speak. I hear it all the time. It's crazy. I'm like, I hear it all the time.
Speaker 2 1:12:07
I don't really want to send myself off the side of a cliff right now. I mean, I wasn't even doing a timed run, and I still was like,
Speaker 3 1:12:14
dude,
Speaker 1 1:12:14
we know you were pushing. You're
Speaker 4 1:12:15
not going off the cliff.
Speaker 2 1:12:17
Well, it's either that or I like break a record. There's no way, so
Speaker 4 1:12:22
you break a record.
Speaker 3 1:12:23
Okay.
Speaker 1 1:12:23
See, there you go.
Speaker 3 1:12:24
Yeah. Winning. Yeah. Decision
Speaker 4 1:12:26
done.
Speaker 1 1:12:28
I mean, you did you enjoy Pikes Loose?
Speaker 4 1:12:30
I did. I the car was it had issues, so yeah, actually made it easier. But
Speaker 1 1:12:36
like, would you go back and do that in something else? Like, would you go run that and like before payment or something?
Speaker 4 1:12:41
I'd have to spend a lot more time there. Yeah, like I definitely got a lot of respect and understanding of how much more time they need to be spent there, not just a couple days.
Speaker 1 1:12:50
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:12:51
like I was there for the testing prior to I think everything because in between was Baja.
Speaker 1 1:12:57
Right, right. So I think we went there and
Speaker 4 1:12:59
tested.
Speaker 2 1:13:00
God, we did a lot of that year. Yeah, and then we went race Baja,
Speaker 4 1:13:03
and then we came back. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:13:04
so it was it was definitely
Speaker 2 1:13:06
we won Baja Mo.
Speaker 4 1:13:07
Yeah, we won Baja. I was
Speaker 1 1:13:08
supposed to race Baja with you guys until yeah, we
Speaker 4 1:13:10
asked you to.
Speaker 1 1:13:11
I know, but have you seen the? You put in the
Speaker 2 1:13:13
car.
Speaker 1 1:13:14
You see the size of us together. If they build a car for me, you don't reach the pedals. If they build a car for you, I don't get in it.
Speaker 4 1:13:21
The seat moved.
Speaker 1 1:13:22
Not enough. You don't understand. You don't understand the difference.
Speaker 4 1:13:26
They had to put an extra insert in for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:13:28
and that was coming from me
Speaker 4 1:13:31
and Rodrigo, which not was about
Speaker 1 1:13:33
your height.
Speaker 2 1:13:33
Yeah,
Speaker 3 1:13:34
yeah.
Speaker 2 1:13:35
And I don't know if I can say this or we can put it in, but from the video on board of the Pikes Peak run, I supposedly have the female record, even after Amelia broke it this year.
Speaker 1 1:13:50
Wait, really?
Speaker 2 1:13:51
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:13:52
Oh, I want to. I want to move on. I want to go check
Speaker 2 1:13:54
that
Speaker 3 1:13:55
because they have
Speaker 2 1:13:56
to go, but look by.
Speaker 1 1:13:57
Oh right, because they didn't officially clock you.
Speaker 2 1:13:59
No, no, I was a exposition run,
Speaker 1 1:14:03
so they never actually they didn't actually run the timing. But we
Speaker 2 1:14:05
looked back at the camera, and from what I can remember, I would still read
Speaker 1 1:14:10
it. So the whole like I don't know if you know the backstory to this, but we went and we filmed Climconna right with Unicorn, and Jeff Swart was there, and your dad was just running sections to warm the car up, and the GoPro was running in the section, and like I think Zwart was like running his own timing and run, and he was basically like that car is faster through this section than like most the cars on the mountain.
Speaker 3 1:14:38
Wow!
Speaker 1 1:14:39
And that was the that's unicorn, and that anyway, that was like the little kernel of like, oh, you're really fast at that section. So I'm now hearing that again from somebody who's like, well, I heard that I might have been the fastest through that one, so maybe I'll go back.
Speaker 2 1:14:53
I mean, if I were to do it one day, I'd I'd I'd do it right, and I'd I'd build my own car, and and we'd we'd go. Something big, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:15:02
What's big for you?
Speaker 4 1:15:05
Would you want to go for the overall record or overalls
Speaker 1 1:15:08
fast and probably probably restricted to EV at this point? But
Speaker 2 1:15:11
yeah, no, I don't
Speaker 1 1:15:12
unlimited like that's unlimited. But I think still think there's like really interesting things to go after in like open time attack and
Speaker 2 1:15:19
yeah, or like
Speaker 1 1:15:20
fastest like you know, fastest like you know ice vehicle up there instead of it being fastest CV.
Speaker 3 1:15:26
No, we'd have to build a cool car or at least fix the Unipig. The Pig
Speaker 2 1:15:34
make it weigh not as much as it weighs right now, but there's a lot on that.
Speaker 3 1:15:38
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:15:39
because what class would that have been in?
Speaker 1 1:15:42
I think that was in unlimited. I forget now. But it wasn't in open. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 4 1:15:46
opens EV, right?
Speaker 1 1:15:48
Well, the rules are really interesting because I think that's. I think this is sort of a bit of a debate, and I think it's one of the reasons why like some teams like BBI are not as excited about racing there anymore because like they don't want to show up and race against Ford's EV mini. It should be their only class, right? Like that needs to be a different space because like there's clearly just a gap there. So, but a huge
Speaker 4 1:16:10
advantage.
Speaker 1 1:16:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I think that's unlimited and open was what the was what the Porsche was in. So yeah, but that would be cool to see you go back there.
Speaker 3 1:16:19
No,
Speaker 1 1:16:20
what else is on the like list? Like, what else? Like, would you go back to Baja and do Baja again?
Speaker 2 1:16:24
Yeah, when I like a troy truck, I love to do it in a truck for sure. Yeah, I think the you know Can-Am was really really fun, but I had the San Felipe section and just rolling crap
Speaker 4 1:16:36
section. I did that in Scumbug.
Speaker 2 1:16:38
Yeah, this was not fun. I didn't realize the
Speaker 1 1:16:41
whoops were bigger than the bug. Yeah, I was like, that could not have been fun. Yeah, so doing
Speaker 2 1:16:45
going back and doing it properly in a truck, like obviously that's that's a lot of money. That's a a big commitment. So you know, if someone wants to take me on one day, that that'd be great.
Speaker 1 1:16:55
Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:16:55
So that Lamont Bikes Peak one day. I don't know. I've I have mixed emotions about the car for sure. Um, I I the thing I hated about Baja was that you know being a rally driver, me myself, I could not push at 100% the entire time. It's that's not what the race
Speaker 1 1:17:16
is about. It's attrition. Yeah, it's 80% driving. So that
Speaker 2 1:17:19
was really difficult for me, and I think it still would be.
Speaker 1 1:17:21
Yeah, you might enjoy the Nora a bit more, even though it's actually a more casual race. But because the way it's broken in stages, you probably could actually push a little bit harder.
Speaker 4 1:17:31
Yeah, you sleep at night.
Speaker 3 1:17:33
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:17:34
I want to do that one really bad.
Speaker 1 1:17:35
I want to do the Nora because it sounds like a fun topic. Yeah, I guess we're all going to do the
Speaker 2 1:17:38
Nora.
Speaker 1 1:17:39
Yeah, and you, I would want to go the do go the do no do the nora in like a weird vehicle too. Like you could go do it in like an old like Range Rover classic with like a good suspension setup on it. Just be kind of fun. AC AC with a cooler in the back. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:17:52
absolutely. That sounds like this is
Speaker 1 1:17:56
this is this is our age motorsport people rally right here.
Speaker 2 1:17:59
100%
Speaker 1 1:18:02
Yeah. So.
Speaker 2 1:18:03
No, I can't really think of anything else.
Speaker 1 1:18:05
How about you, Luce? Are you like you're like in you're in this in between rally mom phase, but like I also still race. Like, are you?
Speaker 4 1:18:12
Yeah. Like, do you ever see like a full
Speaker 1 1:18:14
season in front of you ever again? Or
Speaker 4 1:18:16
I, you know, I'm just. I'm not sure if you're aware how much rally cost.
Speaker 1 1:18:21
I do.
Speaker 4 1:18:22
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:18:22
Do you know the joke that I have? The joke I have is that Ken and I ran a very profitable business. Unfortunately, we spent all the profits on Rally.
Speaker 4 1:18:32
Yeah. So I have two children in the Rally world right now, and that really doesn't leave, you know, the word budget. That's a joke for us, right? You know, budget, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:18:45
I've heard of that thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:18:46
yeah. I'm limited at the moment.
Speaker 1 1:18:50
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 1:18:50
So maybe we'll see.
Speaker 1 1:18:52
Would you want to do anything in racing outside of rally, or you kind of?
Speaker 4 1:18:56
I really liked Baja. Like, I liked the attrition. Like, I enjoyed that a lot. I don't know. Like I said, I like to do Nora. Yeah. I mean, I did like Safari Classic. Oh yeah, I'm definitely doing 100%
Speaker 1 1:19:09
Safari classic. What we have to all do is just find a year, way way in the future, like 2032 or something, and we all just plan like we're all. I don't know. Like, like, are you guys gonna be alive? I got chill, chill. Whoa, we got joke. We we got like, cause like, and then we all plan and we all go at the same time. First of all, it's a lot of money to go do that event, so we all gotta raise money. But like, just everybody, like Derek should drive at that event. Ron and I should drive at that event.
Speaker 3 1:19:39
Derek, yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1 1:19:40
that. Should we should plan that as a group outing? Go do that. Jeff Swart just did it last. If if
Speaker 4 1:19:47
my dreams of my current business plan come true, then we do it as like a launch of some sort. I think would be fun.
Speaker 3 1:19:57
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:19:57
I want a helicopter though, like that. Do
Speaker 1 1:20:01
you mean chasing?
Speaker 2 1:20:01
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:20:02
Well, you knew like you need a whole chase team. Yeah. Like you, like your chase team is also pushing it the whole time, which is cool. So you're like,
Speaker 2 1:20:09
no, that's right. You're like
Speaker 1 1:20:10
ripping past giraffes and stuff. Like it is just the only thing is that's
Speaker 2 1:20:13
pretty dangerous. Like the it's it's open roads. Like you just come over a crest and hit an elephant.
Speaker 4 1:20:20
Your dad hit a deer, or a deer hit your dad.
Speaker 3 1:20:23
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:20:24
the deer. It
Speaker 2 1:20:25
was more like an antelope. Don't they have like your
Speaker 1 1:20:27
dad was at a Ford f2 150 in New York at the New York rally? I mean, these things happen. I almost
Speaker 2 1:20:32
hit people on four wheelers this year, so here we are.
Speaker 1 1:20:35
Saw that. Yeah. So you know, yeah.
Speaker 4 1:20:38
There's lots of ifs in life. We can't like deal with those. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:20:41
it's true. Yeah, a lot of weird things happened to me this year. A lot.
Speaker 1 1:20:46
So anyway, end of the year. Obviously, you have, which was only two weeks ago, right? You want to tell us what happened?
Speaker 2 1:20:54
Yeah, but I think we first need some context of this year because obviously we had snowdrive. 100 Acre Wood was probably like the smoothest rally for me,
Speaker 3 1:21:01
yeah, and then you went to
Speaker 2 1:21:02
Olympus.
Speaker 3 1:21:02
Yep,
Speaker 2 1:21:03
puncture first day was like eighth. Somehow made it back to third. Stood on the podium with Yari Matty.
Speaker 1 1:21:08
Yeah, it was pretty sick. That's pretty sick.
Speaker 2 1:21:10
For how it started, could have ended way worse.
Speaker 3 1:21:12
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 1:21:13
Um, didn't.
Speaker 1 1:21:14
Wait, you know what I'm saying? It's better to start bad and then you end better. When you start good, you end bad. Just think about that in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:21:20
but we we ended bad, so it didn't really help. But no, but you you not that rally, not that rally. So yeah, I'm just trying to find
Speaker 1 1:21:26
a rhythm here for you. Yeah, pattern recognition. Taking the Southern
Speaker 2 1:21:30
Ohio, I learned a lot with notes and and accuracy, and struggled a bit there. Then double puncture in Colorado cost me the win, and then what was next? Ojibwe, Ojibwe I won. Yeah, the cleanest. Next
Speaker 1 1:21:50
was the first female win in ARA history. You shouldn't skip that one.
Speaker 2 1:21:54
No, no, absolutely not. Thank you. Um, and definitely the high of the season for sure. And and you know, besides the almost hitting people on four wheelers thing there, that wasn't ideal. But yeah, we've had some some punctures, and I think then there was
Speaker 4 1:22:11
Tennessee,
Speaker 2 1:22:12
Tennessee
Speaker 4 1:22:13
punctures,
Speaker 2 1:22:14
punctures. Just yeah, couldn't get away from punctures this year. I think I've had enough for at least like a couple seasons. Hopefully that's over with. But we obviously with the two dropped rounds that you do here in the states at the end of the season, doing calculations going into the last round was like pretty nerve-wracking.
Speaker 1 1:22:34
I know. I had the paperwork.
Speaker 2 1:22:36
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:22:36
Yeah. I don't think you understand the group of people who are following you at home on like a text message, like, and then by the way, it's not a group chat. It's like these weird little, like you get a little here, you get a little here. Like I get like a little from Lucy, I get a little bit from Ron. Like occasionally a Derek. Like sometimes an Alex. Like you never know where you're gonna get your information. You're on the combine. You know, you're just doing it.
Speaker 2 1:23:00
No, and it's very difficult, obviously, going into LSPR when I've never actually finished that rally either. The three times I've done it, the R 2t we shaved off a wheel somehow and and had to super rally to the end. Then I won the championship. Then got to run the causey at that Timing belt, so we only got to do like three stages. Then I got into Subaru. Was a little bit too too overzealous on the second day and and put it into some trees. So first of all, you have the championship on the line in the back of your mind, and then you have that, and so it was just a lot, I think. But I, I, we knew what we had to do, you know, after the first day and where we were sitting, and all we had to do was was finish third and then third, third power stage, third on the power stage,
Speaker 3 1:23:51
right, to
Speaker 2 1:23:51
either win or tie, um, which is which is crazy. Like I, I really feel like nowadays with how the series has developed and and the manufacturer is present now, like the drop round shouldn't be a thing in the overall championship going forward. I mean, I I would have won it super easily on overall points, but but that's not how it works. And I mean, that's that's the championship. You might feel different if
Speaker 1 1:24:18
you had missed the rally entirely. And
Speaker 2 1:24:20
oh, 100% which I, which we both missed. Well, and I guess you DNF,
Speaker 1 1:24:23
yeah, you did because you DNF Donald Snowdrift, right?
Speaker 2 1:24:26
So, but it just a, you know, adds that extra bit of like uncertainty with things. It's the weird
Speaker 1 1:24:32
math.
Speaker 2 1:24:32
Yeah, no, and we've done really well to like stay in that position all all race. Like, it's really difficult to just stay, you know, super, super patient and like not push too hard, but also not, you know, let yourself back too far. So, do
Speaker 1 1:24:50
you find it harder to drive at like an eight tenths than a 10 tenths?
Speaker 2 1:24:54
Yeah, 100% But like that's that's the risk you have to take to to. You know, being a position like we were at LSPR, and so like going the last that last stage, which is the power stage, we had already run it twice, 80 cars through a stage twice. It ruins the road. It's the earliest we've ever had LSPR in the year. So warmest conditions. So the road, the yeah, but the road itself was actually breaking down a lot quicker without moisture. So like the huge ruts at the start, like a like a WRC round you'd see on second pass or even first pass for some people, and about halfway through the stage, there was just some exposed bedrock in a corner. I didn't take the corner any differently. I don't think if I went back, I would have taken it differently. It was just you know straight on the line, and somehow both front and rear left tires punctured and then blew up. Like, and that that's it for that that rally. Like it's it's so fast, and and you have to commit so much that you know what we did to limp the card you know to the finish wasn't ever going to be enough.
Speaker 3 1:26:08
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:26:09
which is wild to think you know how much work that we had put into this year and and how well like we put ourselves in that situation to win it that it just you know all comes crumbling down so so ironically
Speaker 1 1:26:25
yeah I think everybody was there watching you just
Speaker 2 1:26:30
yeah I mean I wish I would have put it off myself I would feel a lot better right now you know checks the records away right
Speaker 3 1:26:36
yeah
Speaker 2 1:26:37
but but you think Ollie
Speaker 1 1:26:38
feels that way because he did that. I mean, sitting in my
Speaker 2 1:26:42
in my situation, like with with two punctures being the thing that that puts you out, like it just it feels ridiculous, you know. Because I I've been there all year, learned so much, been the most consistent, you know. It I literally just handed it away.
Speaker 1 1:27:02
How does that like sort of adjust your sort of drive for next year?
Speaker 2 1:27:07
It makes me so mad, obviously. You know, and I'm hoping that what I've proved this year opens opens doors, and I don't have to go and wipe my entire bank account and my mom's just to go racing. You know, it's a difficult thing to do, but but sometimes you do have to invest in yourself to to get those doors open, and hopefully we've done that. But I think for me personally in my career, it being away for two years in an f1 academy, I I kind of lost that reputation reputation in rally, And so, hopefully, you know this year has has proved to a lot of people that that you know I I deserve something or at least some help would be great. I know you
Speaker 1 1:27:51
don't read my text messages, but I do. But I did text you and say to you after happened, I said you still have a lot to be proud of this year, and that we're all proud of you, which is and like this is rally, and like you still put on an amazing run this year. You're 20 years old, like it was a good run. It's like and and honestly, at the end, like it wasn't a mistake. It wasn't you. Just that's just that's rally, which like I hate that saying, but we all the if if every time I said that's rally, I I got like 10 bucks, I'd be super rich. You could pay for your
Speaker 3 1:28:28
M.
Speaker 1 1:28:28
Yeah, we could pay for your whole season.
Speaker 2 1:28:31
That'd be really nice. I
Speaker 1 1:28:32
mean, that's unfortunately that's rally.
Speaker 2 1:28:34
Yeah, no, I mean, I definitely don't. It's what
Speaker 1 1:28:35
kind of makes the sport great.
Speaker 2 1:28:37
Yes, yeah, we love it. The
Speaker 4 1:28:39
unpredictability.
Speaker 1 1:28:41
Yeah, yeah. Here's a random one. So you end up losing to Seth. Were you happy to lose to Seth? No. No.
Speaker 2 1:28:47
No. I think that's really well, especially because he's never raced rally. Yeah, but that's he
Speaker 1 1:28:53
does have a lot of history in dirt. No, yeah, and off road. And he just
Speaker 4 1:28:56
won Morocco before he came. He's in. Yeah, he's like in the lead for the championship over there.
Speaker 2 1:29:03
Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1 1:29:04
and was you know I know him because he was like the young talent that really popped up and everyone was talking about when he first sort of got into into the space. So like I knew him when I was doing more on the off road stuff with Hoonigan. So like you know like and I but I do get it. He's not he's not like a bona fide rally guy because it was his rookie year.
Speaker 2 1:29:23
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if it'd be worse to like lose to Travis or or him. Right. I mean, I I guess it's kind of you know the start of a new rivalry in this sport. And if
Speaker 1 1:29:33
Travis was on stage behind you and you had two things, he would have pushed you out in front of him. You know, he would have. Oh yeah, yeah. And that's what makes Rally Rally too. So, but so
Speaker 2 1:29:47
annoying. No, but I I think it's great. Like just overall the the competitors this year and the championship having Toyota come in as a manufacturer and then having Subaru still there, like the fact that we had you know almost. People in the sea to draw in Olympus and at Overmountain and having Oytanek, you know, competing against wild
Speaker 1 1:30:08
to see here.
Speaker 2 1:30:08
Wild, like it just shows us like how much you know when when the U.S. rally scene gets a little bit of attention, like how much it can really really pull off. I mean, there's a lot that needs to be done, especially for the series, and you know that will come hopefully. And with the U.S. round next year, I think that will just kind of help things take off. Hopefully, is
Speaker 1 1:30:35
your plan to be at Knoxville next year?
Speaker 2 1:30:39
I I hope to be. I mean, I think that's really important for me and and everyone here in the states that that we do show up to that. And obviously, it's probably the easiest way for me to do my first WRC. You know, as kind of like a candidate in a way. And you know, the the hardest thing about WRC nowadays is people, you know, are starting to memorize roads, and and the familiarity plays so much of a role into into success, you know, depending rally to rally. So, being able to, you know, have that sort of familiarity with the roads already, kind of home rally in a sense, you know, us doing Over Mountain this year on similar roads to what the WRC will be on, like it it just seems kind of like the perfect opportunity for me to dip my toes into it.
Speaker 1 1:31:30
What'd you think? What did you think of Over Mountain this year?
Speaker 2 1:31:33
The roads specifically, I think, are are too tight, too technical for at least the WRC, but it it adds you know some some depth to the championship here in the states for sure that and Colorado super impressed with this year as well just more diversity in the championship so I'm the those roads for Overmount are backup roads for WRC so obviously they they weren't the best, so I'm I'm excited to see what what we are actually getting for the WRC round.
Speaker 1 1:32:08
This is where you got to pull a lobe and like move to Tennessee for two months and just drive the roads every day. You know what he did at Pacific? No, we had
Speaker 2 1:32:15
wish I had the money for that. Lived
Speaker 1 1:32:17
in he lived in Colorado Springs and rode a Harley up and down the mountain, like every day for a month, just know it inside out.
Speaker 2 1:32:25
No, I think I think it'd be really cool, and obviously, I think that's the plan for probably a lot of the American drivers next year to you know do ARA and then have the home court
Speaker 1 1:32:34
advantage. Yeah,
Speaker 3 1:32:35
yeah, that was gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 1:32:37
Do you realize? Because I know you're only 20. Do you realize like how incredible it is that WRC has finally come back to the U.S. Oh, definitely. Do you have any idea how long all of us have been waiting for this?
Speaker 2 1:32:48
I mean, obviously, I haven't had to wait as long as you guys, but for me, it just feels like perfect timing, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 1:32:54
Yeah, it is kind of perfect timing. So rewind back to the beginning this year, and you were talking about it like this year in ARA turned out to be a really amazing year. But if you looked at it in January, no one knew what any of it was going to
Speaker 3 1:33:09
be because
Speaker 1 1:33:09
no one had a season committed. Right, there really wasn't a lot of understanding of like where who was going to show up. Travis wasn't sure if he was going to come back. Like obviously, like you know, Brendan ended up going somewhere else, but it's like you end up having this like opportunity, and then all of a sudden, it all just sort of came together and became like a really, really good like field that year.
Speaker 2 1:33:30
No, I I think like all in all, with how the season worked out and and who was there and and what kind of competition we had, like I I don't know if there was a better choice for me or a better championship for me at that point, and I, I think all eyes have been on the U.S. because of all this chatter with the WRC round, so it's given me an opportunity to you know be front and forward in front of manufacturers and and important people, so I'm really happy at how that worked out for sure.
Speaker 1 1:34:08
You might not be able to answer this, but like next year is your plan to stay here, Europe. What are you thinking?
Speaker 2 1:34:17
I mean, for me, the most important thing is is you know climbing the ladder to what will be my my career in WRC. So, however, I can get there, and what the best steps are to take is kind of what I'm looking for. And I think tarmac is one of the biggest challenges for me, and and figuring out how to do that because we we have zero tarmac here in the states. Yep. And that's obviously become you know almost half of the WRC calendar nowadays. Obviously, I've I've had experience with you know circuit racing. I I can understand you know how cars will you know react to certain things and and how. Set up and whatever, but being on a rally stage in tarmac, I think is is definitely way different. So, however, I can get experience in all these different senses, and just like I said, with the memorization and the familiar, like being able to be familiar with a rally coming back to, especially WRC, that's so important nowadays. So, for me to be able to go to any WRC and just go do the recce, not even race the rally, but just be able to be have been there before. I think is going to help me so much when I finally you know step into that seat and and do it for the first time. So all of these small steps just need to be taken to then you know go forward. So whatever that looks like next year, you know, I'm hoping that whatever doors I have opened this past season will help me get there, and and hopefully a program where I'm where I'm supported from a driver's side, and financially would be really helpful as well.
Speaker 1 1:35:58
Was obviously you went from sort of this crazy schedule at f1 Academy, and then this year, like you was a little bit lighter for you. Next year, do you plan on like adding in other stuff on top of a rally to your schedule and doing more, or you kind of just want to stay hyper focused right now? I ask that because you know there's a whole audience of people who just are like, I want Lena to do this. I want her to do this. I want her to do that. Like, I want her to make more this. I want more content. I want more whatever. So,
Speaker 2 1:36:27
no, I mean, my biggest priority right now is my career and and getting to where I want to be, and that's that's at the top of WRC. So, all of the steps I'm going to take are are in favor of that. So whatever I can throw in, sure, great. You know if it works out, but think if I am I doing a certain championship, I'm going to be filling everything else with other opportunities within rally, if I can, if if budgets allow, if if I'm, you know, if those opportunities Are available, but I mean, even just like this year, I did some rally X, rally cross, and some one-off stuff. So I enjoy, you know, just dabbling and everything. And I think that always helps you as a driver, no matter kind of what car you're in.
Speaker 1 1:37:18
So next year, she ends up going to Europe. Mike is here in the U.S. I live on airplanes. You actually have to do the double season. Yeah, I
Speaker 4 1:37:28
live on airplanes.
Speaker 3 1:37:29
Yeah, I mean she already
Speaker 2 1:37:30
did that last two years in F1 Academy, basically. Well, a little less the last season, but
Speaker 4 1:37:34
yeah, the first season I went to every test, every race, and then the second season, two-year-old dad did all the tests, and I did the races.
Speaker 3 1:37:44
Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:37:45
No, no, she's got her hands full with Mike. She still has to run a race team next year, unfortunately.
Speaker 4 1:37:52
Yeah. Hopefully, it's not yours. Are you
Speaker 1 1:37:54
enjoying that part? Running the race, being being the the one who runs all this now. Remember fun, Lucy? Yeah, I do. I love those are the stories I can't tell your daughter.
Speaker 4 1:38:05
That's the Lucy I'd like to have back at some point in my life. You know, like Ibiza for my 50th that I was supposed to do. That was my dream. That didn't happen.
Speaker 3 1:38:13
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 1:38:14
So at some point, I would love if someone else was running the race teams and I could just be fun and make bake. I like to bake.
Speaker 1 1:38:23
Yeah, yeah. I like to make
Speaker 4 1:38:24
dinner. I love to cook. And yeah, one day,
Speaker 1 1:38:29
24 hours after meeting your mom, I was in like involved in a brawl at a club. I'm not saying your mom started it, but she definitely wanted to make sure it got finished. And then Big Black stepped in and pulled out the gloves, and it ended pretty quickly. So yeah, that's that's the kind of fun times we had. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:38:48
he not only that happened that night, but he definitely has picked me and Susie up and taken us out.
Speaker 1 1:38:56
Oh yeah,
Speaker 4 1:38:56
back to our rooms. Yeah, yeah, and like literally closeted you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's like a turn down service, but it starts
Speaker 1 1:39:02
at the bar.
Speaker 3 1:39:02
It's
Speaker 1 1:39:04
pretty sick.
Speaker 2 1:39:04
You're removed. Yeah, wild pass. I can't wait to see that Lucy back too. Yeah, I was
Speaker 4 1:39:09
way more fun.
Speaker 1 1:39:12
Racing's too serious, guys. You gotta have more fun.
Speaker 2 1:39:15
Did you realize that? I I say work now part. It's the whole reason we
Speaker 1 1:39:19
started Hoonigan was to make motorsports more fun. That was the original idea back in the day. You got to get back. We're gonna get. We gotta get back to that. That's what Els has to do.
Speaker 4 1:39:26
Yeah, we're going to. We just have to get the. Yeah, we're working on it.
Speaker 2 1:39:29
You can do that.
Speaker 3 1:39:31
Get the funding.
Speaker 1 1:39:32
You're just too serious.
Speaker 2 1:39:34
I want to win, guys. I'm sorry. Like sorry. If
Speaker 1 1:39:37
you do you think if you win once you win, then you party. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2 1:39:41
no. You you work now, party later. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1 1:39:44
Got it, got it. Right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 1:39:45
yeah. I'm with you.
Speaker 2 1:39:47
I've got to win a couple things first.
Speaker 1 1:39:48
So, what are you doing for the back half of the year now? Like season's over. There's a few months left. Is it just like getting ready for next year, doing deals? I mean, I know some of that because I'm in the background, but obviously, but like. I hope I'm
Speaker 2 1:40:00
doing deals.
Speaker 1 1:40:01
Or are you just comment? Are you just trying to like rest for a little bit? No, I hope I
Speaker 2 1:40:05
get to take some opportunities. You're
Speaker 1 1:40:06
like rest. You're like not at all.
Speaker 4 1:40:08
What are you talking about? When he said rest, I was like, what? Do you
Speaker 2 1:40:10
know who my trainer is?
Speaker 1 1:40:12
Who are you training with right now?
Speaker 2 1:40:13
Zach Osborne. There's no
Speaker 4 1:40:14
rest.
Speaker 3 1:40:15
Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:40:16
No, there's never. But anyways, I I'm hopefully taking opportunities to, you know, keep myself in a rally car, because unfortunately I can't put myself in those right now. I spent all my money this year, but
Speaker 1 1:40:34
it's an expensive hobby.
Speaker 4 1:40:35
When opportunities arise,
Speaker 2 1:40:37
we'll be there.
Speaker 4 1:40:38
We'll be there.
Speaker 1 1:40:38
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:40:39
she'll take them.
Speaker 1 1:40:40
If I don't ask this question, I'm gonna have like a whole bunch of people in the comment while asking about it because like I have a lot of Audi nerds that follow me. So I hear the car is being fixed. I saw some photos of
Speaker 2 1:40:51
she runs now.
Speaker 1 1:40:52
She runs. I mean,
Speaker 2 1:40:53
well, it's not like she did not run, but like she was making this really bad noise. Um, but
Speaker 1 1:40:58
does she have a name?
Speaker 3 1:40:59
No. And she's just a she. All of my
Speaker 2 1:41:01
cars are she's.
Speaker 3 1:41:02
Okay,
Speaker 5 1:41:02
cars are she's.
Speaker 2 1:41:03
They are. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1 1:41:04
know. For some people, they're not. Some people they're they're. I I have both. I have cars that are she's, and I got other cars that are fucking dudes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:41:11
All my all my cars have been she's so far, but as you probably know, the schedule on which we had to build that car was very tight.
Speaker 1 1:41:24
Yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2 1:41:24
Yeah, yeah. I was at least aware of it. And do you remember that after the filming was done, that car was supposed to go to get a custom exhaust at Vorla?
Speaker 1 1:41:34
Yes.
Speaker 2 1:41:34
Yeah, I never did that. So I, my exhaust that's on that car still is pieced together pipes that somehow form some sort of exhaust, and that has started falling apart. And the exhaust was like resting on the drive shaft, and so you know when I drive, it just hit the drive shaft bolts and make this really bad noise. Yeah, couldn't figure it out forever. I don't know why. Like every time I'd look under the car, I'd be like, "What the heck is that? It doesn't look pretty under there either, um. So we figured that out. A couple other things: the heater doesn't work. Like there's some random wires everywhere. My hood latch broke, so like we Jimmy rigged some wires that I can like pull out from the grill to get it open.
Speaker 1 1:42:16
You're basically describing every car I own, but keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 1:42:19
I standard par for the
Speaker 1 1:42:22
course. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:42:23
I almost like literally couldn't get out of the car the other day because somehow the window wouldn't go up all the way, so then therefore it wouldn't get out of the way of the latch. Yeah, so I basically locked myself in my car, and it it has this flashing light, and I can't figure out why it's flashing because you know my coolant level's fine, but
Speaker 1 1:42:46
it's probably just a sensor.
Speaker 3 1:42:47
Yeah, but
Speaker 1 1:42:49
but Mikey and those guys, Mikey and Dave are
Speaker 2 1:42:52
helping me out. Like we, I took it down there. We we kind of figure out what needs to be done. You know, created a very long list, wish list, obviously, and so hopefully with my spare time to the rest of the end of the year, I'll be able to do some of that
Speaker 3 1:43:09
stuff.
Speaker 2 1:43:10
But for now, it drives.
Speaker 1 1:43:11
Yeah, trust me. Every time you post something about that car, I get tagged, and people are like, "Is Leah gonna finish her car before you finish your car? Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:43:19
I mean, like I have to find some trim pieces, like window trim pieces that are somewhere in the shop. You
Speaker 4 1:43:26
think you have them?
Speaker 2 1:43:27
I've been told I have them by Dave, but he said he saw them two years ago. So, do
Speaker 1 1:43:32
you still enjoy working on cars? I love it because you actually really did enjoy it when you built it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2 1:43:37
I love it. I mean, a lot of drivers
Speaker 1 1:43:40
don't. A lot of drivers really just enjoy driving cars. Well, I
Speaker 2 1:43:44
really love to understand how things work, and that's not only mechanical side, but like myself, physically, mentally, just from all all the points of views. So, I I enjoy it. You know, obviously, it's not something that I dedicate my time to a lot, but being a racing driver, especially a rally driver, you have to be your own mechanic a lot of the time.
Speaker 1 1:44:11
It's an important one.
Speaker 3 1:44:12
Very,
Speaker 1 1:44:12
yeah.
Speaker 2 1:44:13
I was talking to Reid the other day, and we were talking about how Travis wouldn't change a tire when she first started working with him, and I was like, "Oh God, like I'm not. I hope I'm not going to be that driver. But
Speaker 1 1:44:24
wow, I didn't know that. Oh yeah. Why that sounds so unlike Travis?
Speaker 2 1:44:28
No, like he didn't. He doesn't do any wrenching.
Speaker 1 1:44:31
I didn't really know that about him. I guess maybe that makes sense. I mean, hey, he does have like an entire crew around him that does everything else. Yeah, like
Speaker 3 1:44:39
for most of his life,
Speaker 1 1:44:40
Hubert and everyone. Yeah, you're a good point, yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah, so I mean, your dad wasn't really that much of a wanting to fix cars person. I was gonna
Speaker 2 1:44:49
mention it. I was like, like I know a reason. I love how you forced me to do it as well, but I'm thankful for it.
Speaker 1 1:44:55
No, but I had the conversation with him, and there was a twofold to it. One was that. You know, it is something that I think when you learn younger, you're not afraid of it. Like if you start taking things apart and putting them back together, like you're not afraid of them. Like my son takes everything apart. I'll eventually teach him that he should put them back together. Actually, let's be that's Ashley's job. That's Ashley's job. Yeah, you don't do that. You don't put it
Speaker 4 1:45:15
together. So why would he? Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:45:17
but I think that was one of it. But then I think there was another part of it that was like building your own car, like was at your age, what you were doing gave you a bit of authenticity.
Speaker 3 1:45:26
Yeah, like you
Speaker 1 1:45:27
to go build something like that versus just get it. You know, like you were you weren't gonna be gifted it. You got to you had to put the work in. No,
Speaker 2 1:45:34
and I think that just makes that car so much more like beautiful.
Speaker 1 1:45:40
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:45:40
you know, is that fact that you know I got my hands dirty and and did a lot of
Speaker 1 1:45:44
it. Have you like had a chance to really get it out and like throw it around the snow and do donuts in it or anything fun like that? A couple
Speaker 2 1:45:50
years ago, I did donuts in the snow behind the shop.
Speaker 1 1:45:52
Okay, but not like a yeah.
Speaker 2 1:45:54
I'm like I'm really scared to do things with it because I just like I love it so much and I don't want to break it and I have to fix it. How
Speaker 1 1:46:01
for once you don't sound like a rally driver. Most driver cars are consumable. Okay,
Speaker 4 1:46:07
first of all, when she drives my Audi, she does it a little differently. It's kind of crazy how much like how much she pushes my car. It is. No,
Speaker 2 1:46:18
it's not. The I had to like, what it was it like a year and a half ago where I had to put new tires on her car, like mount them myself because they literally the rear tires were bald, bald,
Speaker 4 1:46:31
bald. They to the
Speaker 2 1:46:32
cords.
Speaker 4 1:46:34
They get bald so quickly.
Speaker 2 1:46:35
I was had to drive it to the shop and I was so scared that I was gonna crash this car because I had no traction on the rear tires, and that was not because of me.
Speaker 4 1:46:46
Really, who drives it most?
Speaker 2 1:46:48
Not me.
Speaker 4 1:46:50
Yes, you did not. Not then. Not back then.
Speaker 2 1:46:53
I had a car back
Speaker 4 1:46:57
then. Okay, you know.
Speaker 1 1:46:59
I mean, at this point, like. But I mean, like, like, look,
Speaker 2 1:47:03
I'm also so thankful that I learned how to weld during that time. I learned how to mount tires because that's a skill that I constantly use, especially throughout this entire rally season, having to do everything myself with Micah in the shop. Right. Besides, when we got to the rally and I actually had a mechanic. So, like those skills, even though I I lack a lot of them, I can still I I still get around.
Speaker 4 1:47:28
I mean, it was quite impressive. Like between each rally, that Micah Derek would send a list, and Philip, if something mostly Derek was in the list, and what has to be done for the trailer with tires, and what they needed to have mounted and how they load list
Speaker 2 1:47:42
and yeah
Speaker 3 1:47:43
and they had to do it all, so
Speaker 1 1:47:46
it's good. You need to do that stuff. You don't always you don't always have a butch helping you doing that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 1:47:51
We have butch back.
Speaker 1 1:47:52
Wait, really? Oh, that's sick. I'm I I heard that was a possibility. Butch also is on the top list of human beings.
Speaker 2 1:48:00
You need to get Butch out
Speaker 1 1:48:02
here. Butch, the Butch is a Butch for just rally, like rally stories, fun things. Actually, Butch and Derek together could be good,
Speaker 2 1:48:09
or could be, but or could be
Speaker 1 1:48:11
horrible. Or it's like Butch and Derek both get interviewed, but they're not at the same time, and then it becomes
Speaker 3 1:48:18
one show
Speaker 1 1:48:19
because it's like it's the different takes of the same story exactly. It's the well. We had a
Speaker 2 1:48:26
conversation recently, me and Derek, about why Butch had to stop driving the trailers too.
Speaker 1 1:48:31
Which one is that? I don't know that
Speaker 2 1:48:33
one. Oh yeah, just just because Butch didn't pay attention and like would hit every pothole and like curb and everything with the 26 foot trailer.
Speaker 1 1:48:43
It happens. It happens. Yeah, but
Speaker 4 1:48:46
I don't think today Butch would do. No, no,
Speaker 2 1:48:48
no. But this is young Butch. Young Butch. Long past. Young
Speaker 3 1:48:52
Butch. Butch has
Speaker 4 1:48:53
um definitely grown. But
Speaker 2 1:48:56
I mean, if if Derek doesn't like someone and doesn't think they do a good job, they do not stick along very long. Yeah, stick around very long.
Speaker 1 1:49:03
Yeah, Butch weared through much of. He was there for a long time. He got molded and yeah, yeah. Fun. No, I'm I'm happy to see that. I'm happy to see that come back together. So
Speaker 4 1:49:14
that means that she gets to do more builds and more fun things because we have someone to help us
Speaker 1 1:49:20
do it.
Speaker 4 1:49:21
Someone to help us facilitate. Isn't Butch's
Speaker 1 1:49:23
like fourth Audi 4000 still sitting at this? Yeah, yeah, it's still
Speaker 4 1:49:28
awesome. Micah wanted to buy it, and he said no. That it's too hard. It's to get parts for, and it's not. Yeah, it's kind of a
Speaker 1 1:49:34
pain in the ass. I mean, it's as much of a pain in the ass as her car is, but you guys have already been through that.
Speaker 3 1:49:38
But yeah, I've
Speaker 4 1:49:39
driven her car, and it's so fun.
Speaker 3 1:49:41
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:49:42
I really like the turbo.
Speaker 4 1:49:43
Yeah, it's neat. I think I'm
Speaker 2 1:49:44
gonna put a bigger one on it.
Speaker 1 1:49:45
Yeah, you basically have the same engine that's in my Rs too.
Speaker 3 1:49:47
Yeah, no, I get more. It's more power. I also want to build like an old Porsche. I was just,
Speaker 1 1:49:55
I was actually gonna ask you. Give me what are the top three cars you'd build, right? A
Speaker 2 1:49:58
Land Rover,
Speaker 1 1:49:59
like. What spec, like a like an old school,
Speaker 2 1:50:02
old school
Speaker 3 1:50:03
one, okay for
Speaker 2 1:50:03
sure,
Speaker 1 1:50:04
like a defender, a
Speaker 2 1:50:05
defender, like a boss, 110,
Speaker 3 1:50:06
yeah,
Speaker 4 1:50:07
that's what your dad wanted,
Speaker 2 1:50:08
yeah.
Speaker 1 1:50:09
Who was it who used to have all those in Hawaii?
Speaker 4 1:50:12
Oh yeah,
Speaker 1 1:50:14
Rocco,
Speaker 3 1:50:15
Rocco, Steve Rocco,
Speaker 1 1:50:16
yeah, from World Industries. He had like,
Speaker 4 1:50:19
yeah, 110s.
Speaker 1 1:50:20
He like what like that was like his retirement thing, right? He just went out there and bought like land and had a bunch of them out there. I thought it was always so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:50:26
it was really cool.
Speaker 2 1:50:27
The Land Rover Land Rover Defender Safari in Hawaii.
Speaker 1 1:50:30
Okay, so you got that. What else you got?
Speaker 2 1:50:32
Some sort of old Porsche.
Speaker 3 1:50:33
Okay, but
Speaker 2 1:50:34
I don't have enough money for that yet. Um, and I really, really, really, really, really, really. I actually
Speaker 1 1:50:39
was like surprised you said that because I think the first time you said you saw the BBI Evo, you're like, I don't know, just like some old Porsche. But did driving that car change your feeling on that? Because you got to drive that. No,
Speaker 2 1:50:52
no, no, no. I'm
Speaker 1 1:50:53
Sonoma, right?
Speaker 2 1:50:53
Yes, no, and it was a fun car for sure. But you had said
Speaker 4 1:50:56
old one.
Speaker 2 1:50:58
That that is old. How was that
Speaker 4 1:50:59
one? What you? Not old
Speaker 2 1:51:00
enough. Okay,
Speaker 2 1:51:02
but what I really her old is different than our old. Yeah, yeah, true. This is true. Yeah, I always have to
Speaker 1 1:51:07
remind people like us, like like Biggie was 30 plus years ago.
Speaker 5 1:51:12
Stop.
Speaker 1 1:51:13
I know. Stop. I know. Kurt Cobain, 30 plus years ago. Okay, wait. I'm
Speaker 2 1:51:21
I'm gonna get to mine. Yes, yeah, yeah. I really want Atlanta o3 seven.
Speaker 1 1:51:26
Yeah, that's a so that's a
Speaker 4 1:51:28
lot of other people.
Speaker 3 1:51:29
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:51:32
That's a nice one. One
Speaker 2 1:51:34
day.
Speaker 1 1:51:35
That's a good one. That's good taste. What era cars do you like? Because everything you're naming is like 70s, 80s.
Speaker 2 1:51:43
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:51:44
Oh, really?
Speaker 2 1:51:44
Yeah. I love the boxy look.
Speaker 3 1:51:48
Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:51:50
And everything sounded better back then too.
Speaker 1 1:51:53
Do you like do you like 90 stuff too, or you just kind of?
Speaker 2 1:51:57
I lean more towards 80s.
Speaker 1 1:52:01
So like, if you were to build your own hoonicorn, what kind of body style do you think you would build it off of? Like, what?
Speaker 2 1:52:08
I don't know, and it's so hard because I just feel like when you when you like talk about the unicorn, like I don't ever think in my brain that that could be done better. It has to be something different for me. Yeah, it has to be something unique. It has to be something like, are you gonna have like
Speaker 4 1:52:25
a supercar? No. Like, so what's different? Like, how can you? Like,
Speaker 2 1:52:29
I don't know. You'll see, mom. Oh, one day you figure it out. One day you'll see. When I figure it out and when it clicks, I'll let you know. But right now, I don't have it.
Speaker 7 1:52:39
You know, you got to
Speaker 1 1:52:39
find it. It's
Speaker 2 1:52:40
got to
Speaker 1 1:52:40
make sense.
Speaker 4 1:52:40
Yeah, something you'll look at one day and you'll be like, "Ooh. I
Speaker 1 1:52:43
will say this: I don't, I, I don't think any of us understood how important the honucon was until we built it. Like it was an idea, and the you know, it's funny because the idea of it goes back to sort of the problem with rally racing, which was like we knew that there was an entire audience that didn't care about a Ford Fiesta or a Ford Focus like that they were Jim Conna didn't matter as much to them because it was like in a car they didn't care about, and in America, like an old muscle car, pony car, like a Mustang made a lot more sense. Was also 50th anniversary, which is part of it. It's really supposed to be Maverick, but that's a whole other conversation. But like that, like the minute it started coming together, they were like, "Man, this is going to be cool. And now, like I've had this conversation with other people, I I think that that car changed the trajectory of people building cars in general because, like, that was really the first super wild, like no holds barred build. Like yeah, people were building 1000 plus horsepower, but they weren't taking a shell, making it all wheel drive, like completely changing everything, and then making it do something amazing too, right? And now there's actually a lot more of that. There's a lot of people who are just building the wildest stuff and putting, you know, Ferrari V12s and cars they don't belong in, and that like crazy kind of mix match thing, and and actually someone I just got tagged in a a video the other day of this guy building a replica of the Unicorn, and it's like really good.
Speaker 4 1:54:13
Not the Sea Boys.
Speaker 1 1:54:14
No no no no no no. Their theirs just looks like it. No, like this is like
Speaker 2 1:54:18
I think I I saw like I've seen it.
Speaker 1 1:54:20
Yeah, like this person. I just saw it quickly, but like I'm looking at, I'm like, yeah, that's exactly where the fuel cell is in the record. Like, like they've clearly have had access to the car, took photos, like, and they're doing it with like a high level of fabrication. It's not just like, oh, hey, this kind of looks like it. Like they're basically trying to build the same car again. But it's interesting because I don't think we, when we set out to build that, we ever thought we would build what we built. And like I think it's one of, and look, I might be biased because I was involved in the project, but like I do really think that's one of the most important builds of the past 30 years.
Speaker 2 1:54:54
Speaker 1 1:54:54
because I think it changed the way people looked at doing wild builds, and not just that. A lot of people do wild builds. They drive it to SEMA, and then it gets mothballed, and you never see it again. It's like no, no, no. This thing went and did all these crazy things in videos, and then it went on to go do you know Unicorn versus the World because there was just this opportunity to do wild stuff with that car. So yeah, I don't know. So like yeah, I get it when you say it's not easy to replicate the unicorn, because I
Speaker 2 1:55:23
don't think it should be replicated. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:55:24
So when I say replicate, though, like trying to build your own version. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you know, and creating something that has that same feel and energy to it. So, and I know you and I, we've obviously talked in private about different things, but I don't think we have since you left Open wheel,
Speaker 3 1:55:40
because
Speaker 1 1:55:41
you had some idea, different ideas. I think when you were seeing open wheel as your path, so I would be curious off camera to talk about kind of where where your head's at now. So yeah, but I would I would have guessed wrong. I didn't think like late 70s, early 80s would have been your vibe. I don't know, but that's cool. I like that art too.
Speaker 2 1:55:59
Yeah, I mean, good
Speaker 1 1:56:00
shit boxes from those years.
Speaker 2 1:56:01
I don't love a lot of things, but I do hate a lot of things.
Speaker 1 1:56:04
What do you hate? Let's do the hate list. That's great. What's the top five cars you? No, I
Speaker 2 1:56:07
really don't want to like piss off people.
Speaker 1 1:56:09
Oh, just live life. What are I
Speaker 2 1:56:12
can't in my situation.
Speaker 1 1:56:13
What are the top five cars you wouldn't drive?
Speaker 2 1:56:15
I wouldn't drive.
Speaker 1 1:56:17
Maybe what are the? You know, it's always a good one to hate. What are the top like three cars that everybody else thinks is awesome and you don't?
Speaker 2 1:56:24
And I don't. Ferrari
Speaker 3 1:56:27
360.
Speaker 2 1:56:33
No, I really like that car. Unfortunately, God, that's these are really hard. I don't know. Besides, like super basic cars, but
Speaker 1 1:56:43
all right. While you think, Lucy, what do you what are your three cars? You still have your Bronco, like yeah. What are those? What are the three project cars? Like, what are the three cars you would want to build? She gave her a list.
Speaker 4 1:56:51
I mean, my Bronco is like already one of the cars. Amazing! I'd love to fix it a little more, but it's incredible. Um, I don't, I don't really know. I'm not really a car person. I like to drive them, but once I'm inside of it, I don't know what it looks like on the outside anymore. Does that make sense? As long as it gets me from A to B, I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 1 1:57:11
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:57:11
I'm not very particular.
Speaker 1 1:57:13
For those who don't know about your Bronco, can you explain
Speaker 4 1:57:15
it? My 1974.
Speaker 1 1:57:17
Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:57:18
it's incredible. I I thought I was gonna have this Bronco project. I sold my. What did I drive?
Speaker 3 1:57:27
A G
Speaker 4 1:57:28
wagon, and I decided I was gonna sell the G wagon because I wanted to get an old Bronco and I wanted to build it. Her G wagon
Speaker 2 1:57:35
was a cool G wagon, yeah, because they got the OG one.
Speaker 1 1:57:37
Yeah, yeah, and it was before everyone got it. Like G wagons have become like the new status symbol, especially in Los Angeles. Everybody, no, this
Speaker 2 1:57:45
was the cool G-Wag. Yeah,
Speaker 4 1:57:46
before all those others. Anyway, that's why I wanted to sell it and get a Bronco and build it. But then before I knew it, you people,
Speaker 1 1:57:56
yeah, us, yeah.
Speaker 4 1:57:58
I mention it, and all of a sudden, there was a Bronco already bought, and like then there was this engine coming from Ford, and it was going to go in SEMA. And I was like, wait, I wanted to do this.
Speaker 1 1:58:07
Yeah, and a raptor transmission and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 1:58:09
yeah. And then the engine is like ridiculous. Like, does anyone need a coyote in their Bronco? No,
Speaker 1 1:58:17
no. But it was cool when Hurt set on fire. That was pretty sick.
Speaker 4 1:58:20
So cool! It's so cool that the wiring has never been the same. And like sometimes I have a horn, sometimes I have lights, sometimes I don't. You know? Yeah. I think that's because of hurt.
Speaker 1 1:58:33
I had to drive your car from like the house to the shop once. It's
Speaker 4 1:58:35
fine. It drives fine, Brian.
Speaker 1 1:58:37
No, no, no, no, no. I had to drive from the house to the shop once, and it was like minus like five degrees outside. Oh, in the Bronco. In the Bronco, and like by the time I got to the shop, I'm like, I think I got frostbite.
Speaker 2 1:58:48
No, I remember when because there was like no nothing.
Speaker 1 1:58:52
It was just the coldest drive ever. She doesn't have a
Speaker 2 1:58:54
hard when she first got the Bronco. She wanted to drive it absolutely everywhere, and you know, up until when we were going to school, it's getting really cold in Park City and snowing, and we had to go to school at 7o'clock in the morning, and we all have blankets, hats, everything, because it would
Speaker 4 1:59:10
warm up later in the day, and I wanted to be in the Bronco. Do
Speaker 1 1:59:12
you do you do you realize how cool it is to have a cool mom? You know how much different it could be. You could have. You could just drive
Speaker 2 1:59:19
them anyway. You could just have a you can have
Speaker 1 1:59:20
a total caring of a mother, but you don't.
Speaker 2 1:59:23
No, no. You got a mom who races
Speaker 1 1:59:25
rally, has cool cars, lets you race rally. I'm very lucky,
Speaker 2 1:59:29
and I understand that. But I was cold, and I was going to school very early in the morning. Look,
Speaker 1 1:59:34
I'm not denying that there has been some neglect and abuse in your childhood. I was part of
Speaker 4 1:59:38
it, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 1 1:59:43
we let her drive a twice-time horsepower car with by herself. I've literally been thrown
Speaker 2 1:59:47
in the defense since I was born. Yeah,
Speaker 3 1:59:49
yeah.
Speaker 4 1:59:50
You're great. Look at you. Look how you're turning out. You have confidence. You're like can speak to adults. You're sort of almost an adult.
Speaker 3 1:59:59
That's great.
Speaker 4 2:00:01
You're still alive.
Speaker 2 2:00:03
That's that's that's a real theme in its own. Actually, as a
Speaker 4 2:00:06
parent, when you're first one, you have all these like goals and aspirations, and you have a second one, and you're like, I'm doing great. Yeah, what
Speaker 2 2:00:11
happened to her?
Speaker 4 2:00:12
And you have a third one, and you're like, if I just keep him alive, we're good.
Speaker 1 2:00:16
By the way, speaking of Kira, she's like deep in her own project with the Volkswagen.
Speaker 4 2:00:20
Yeah, I dropped off parts today to the painter.
Speaker 3 2:00:23
Nice,
Speaker 4 2:00:24
and she's gonna come in down in two weeks, I think.
Speaker 1 2:00:28
Is she enjoying building it?
Speaker 4 2:00:29
She loves it.
Speaker 1 2:00:30
Yeah, I feel like that's her vibe.
Speaker 4 2:00:31
Yeah, she loves it, and she went to a community college in Utah to learn to paint. So ran by it was a PPG like paint instructional thing, and she went there and she learned all the steps. Is that the same community
Speaker 1 2:00:47
college that we are part of with 43
Speaker 4 2:00:50
I? No, but we are talking to them because they are doing amazing programs. So PPG is helping her paint her bug, and she is doing it here in Huntington area, Huntington Beach, and yeah, she gets to go and actually paint it herself with the painter. So yeah, which is really
Speaker 2 2:01:10
cool to see Kira like find her unique thing, yeah, while still kind of being involved in in the car scene. Yeah, she
Speaker 4 2:01:19
like is very specific about the how she wants this car, and this is all her. Like,
Speaker 1 2:01:23
yeah, I mean, like I think there's, you know, and I just say this from the outside looking in, but it's like both you and Micah definitely got the competitive, and not that she's not competitive, she's obviously super competitive with horse racing, horse racing, and everything like that. But like in the motorsport side, but she has more of the like super focused design detail mindset that like was this other part of your dad that like is the reason there is DC and a lot of stuff with deliveries and Hunigan all that stuff. And like when I talk to her, those are the things she wants to talk about. Is like that side of it, which is like a whole other piece, you know. So,
Speaker 2 2:02:01
no, she's very talented with all of it as well. It's really she's really
Speaker 4 2:02:05
creative, and she's definitely a little OCD as well. So, like, she fixates that part, you know, and she, it's fun to watch her like focus on something and get it done and complete it, and then the others that you know, the shiny objects happen too. You know, us creatives, neurospicy.
Speaker 1 2:02:23
It's okay. It's okay.
Speaker 2 2:02:25
It works out.
Speaker 1 2:02:26
Yeah, it worked. It worked out. Is she doing any more racing? Is it? She still like the last time I was out the house. She like she got in some trouble. It sounds like
Speaker 2 2:02:35
it goes hour by hour. Actually,
Speaker 4 2:02:37
she's gotten minute by minute.
Speaker 1 2:02:39
She's got. She she's gotten better at not having the red mist.
Speaker 4 2:02:43
Yes.
Speaker 1 2:02:43
Yeah, she's an aggressive driver.
Speaker 4 2:02:45
Very aggressive because she's super competitive. So when she's out there, like she red mist. Yeah.
Speaker 3 2:02:51
Yeah.
Speaker 4 2:02:51
It's pretty crazy. She doesn't know how to control that, turn it down. But maybe she'll get there.
Speaker 1 2:02:57
Yeah. There's a lot of drivers who never learn to control it.
Speaker 4 2:02:59
Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:02:59
Like Colin McRae, like that's just that's that's a style that can work for some people.
Speaker 4 2:03:04
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. She said she wants to race again, but you know she's all over the place.
Speaker 1 2:03:09
Yeah,
Speaker 3 2:03:10
we'll see. Yeah, whatever she does. Well,
Speaker 2 2:03:12
she just is going to take the ACT tomorrow. Yeah, she's going to go to college.
Speaker 2 2:03:16
She wants to go to college.
Speaker 1 2:03:18
Yeah,
Speaker 2 2:03:18
I don't even feel like I graduated high school, but I did. So
Speaker 3 2:03:21
yeah,
Speaker 4 2:03:21
I try to get her to go to college.
Speaker 2 2:03:23
I did. I actually did classes through Harvard. Thank you very much. Online
Speaker 4 2:03:26
classes through Harvard, but she only did two.
Speaker 3 2:03:29
That's right. At
Speaker 2 2:03:30
least I did them. Why would I go spend money to learn stuff that I will never use, Mom? I did entrepreneurial marketing and finance. Can you tell me what else I need? The
Speaker 1 2:03:42
college campus experience is kind of rad. We don't have time for that. Like that's kind of work now,
Speaker 2 2:03:49
party later.
Speaker 1 2:03:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That it'll be weird when you like you're like a WRC champion and then like you decide to like you're like I'm gonna go to Penn State for a year just to party.
Speaker 3 2:04:01
Yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 2 2:04:02
good. I went to real high school for like a year, and I was over it. So
Speaker 1 2:04:05
yeah,
Speaker 2 2:04:06
didn't work out. I mean,
Speaker 1 2:04:06
look, I failed out of college. Life turned out okay. Worked out fine. Perfect. I think I think college is great, and like my mom and I have have this conversation a lot because she obviously works in academia, and you know, school is a lot of where she, you know, how she got to where she is, and you know, she's a scientist. Like you, you actually need school for that kind of stuff. Yeah, but I think it's like college is so much about finding what you want to do. It's like if you already know what you want to do, sometimes college gets in the way. Yeah. So I think for me, I had no idea what I wanted to do. College showed me a lot of things I didn't want to do, like become a mechanical engineer, become a computer programmer-all these things I thought I wanted to do-and then the minute I like found journalism and storytelling, I wanted to do it so bad that I couldn't wait for college to end, and I just went and did it. You know, so like it still serviced me in a way, but I think if you already, if you're like, "Hey, I already know what I want to do, at a young. Age, like maybe you should just go explore that, and like you, like most children, just want to be a WRC driver. Like that's totally within reach. Totally makes sense. Like that's you know, I get it.
Speaker 2 2:05:10
You know why wouldn't I?
Speaker 1 2:05:11
It's like joining the trades. Yeah. Hey, it's
Speaker 2 2:05:17
working out pretty okay for now. So
Speaker 1 2:05:19
yeah,
Speaker 4 2:05:20
I think it's gonna work out.
Speaker 3 2:05:22
Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:05:23
So next year, big. I know. I know we can't talk about it because there's still a lot. Well, I wish I
Speaker 2 2:05:28
knew actually.
Speaker 3 2:05:29
Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1 2:05:30
that's what the rest of the weekend's for. Yeah. Figuring figuring out those pieces. So
Speaker 4 2:05:34
been lots of chats, lots of chatter.
Speaker 3 2:05:37
Yeah.
Speaker 4 2:05:37
We're gonna sort it all out.
Speaker 2 2:05:38
I just want to be in a rally car. There's not.
Speaker 1 2:05:43
Do you guys still have road? You guys, you guys still have a. You have the Can Am track at the house. Yeah. Do you have any of the roads?
Speaker 2 2:05:50
Well, we just need to get some equipment, and hopefully then we can make a road. Yeah, we need
Speaker 4 2:05:54
like these like
Speaker 2 2:05:55
usable road.
Speaker 4 2:05:56
We we want to make the road ourselves, and you know, with some equipment.
Speaker 3 2:06:00
Yeah.
Speaker 4 2:06:01
And then we have some plans for some additional roads, like widening some of our roads that we already have on our property, and then adding one at least one portion, if not or not two, two more. So,
Speaker 2 2:06:13
and we can like build beater rally cars and have our own
Speaker 4 2:06:16
family fun.
Speaker 1 2:06:17
Yeah, that's super fun.
Speaker 2 2:06:18
Be really nice.
Speaker 1 2:06:19
Yeah, that's when I leave a car there.
Speaker 4 2:06:21
Yeah, we're gonna build a new shop.
Speaker 1 2:06:24
Another. Oh, really?
Speaker 4 2:06:24
At the ranch.
Speaker 1 2:06:25
At the ranch. Very cool.
Speaker 4 2:06:26
And then so we can have a place to work on those beater rally cars. And
Speaker 1 2:06:31
did you ever? Did you ever go to Deplesses farm back in the day?
Speaker 4 2:06:34
No.
Speaker 1 2:06:35
So the I mean, I've
Speaker 4 2:06:35
been there, but never for. So the De Plessis
Speaker 1 2:06:38
had like just a small stage road there, and they had a Mercurx R4TI, and like I don't know, I think they had an old Volkswagen and whatever. And like it was so much fun because we would go there like after the main rally and go hang out with them for a little bit. And like even though the road was whatever, it was just so much fun to go there because like you like you just it's slow cars, but like you drive the road enough, you get pretty fast at it, and you just take big risks, you know. So that was like super fun. And they also had a like a grass cart thing with a go kart, and you go out and like run the grass cart as well. And like it's part of the reason that both those boys were pretty good drivers,
Speaker 4 2:07:14
right?
Speaker 1 2:07:14
You know,
Speaker 4 2:07:15
they grew up doing it.
Speaker 1 2:07:16
Yeah, I haven't seen either of them in a while. Have you guys seen either?
Speaker 4 2:07:20
Yeah, I saw Forrest. I recruited him to come out and help over this summer.
Speaker 1 2:07:25
And Chris is down in Florida now, right?
Speaker 4 2:07:26
Yeah, and I got to see him. We went to the Rally X test in it was the spring this past spring, so I did get to see him there.
Speaker 3 2:07:35
Nice.
Speaker 4 2:07:36
He's building a new track, new facility. Yeah,
Speaker 1 2:07:38
yeah, down there. Yeah, he told me about that. That was really cool. So
Speaker 4 2:07:41
great family.
Speaker 1 2:07:42
Yeah, and also tomorrow we're all we're headed to the Willow Springs reimagined, and they're building some roads there too, which is yeah. I mean that's like a super rad thing to see rally roads showing up at like a racetrack right south of L.A. And this I think goes back to what you're saying is like rally is in the shift right now.
Speaker 2 2:08:00
Yep, pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I mean, it's just and it's also just about you know getting the exposure for it and
Speaker 3 2:08:07
yeah,
Speaker 2 2:08:08
letting people understand what what the sport is about and why we love it so much.
Speaker 1 2:08:12
Are you seeing bigger? Because I haven't I haven't been to an ARA race and unfortunately too long. I think the last ARA race I was at was with you in the
Speaker 3 2:08:20
rear
Speaker 1 2:08:20
in the rear in the rear wheel drive. It was a PRZ, right? Yeah. And um, like, do you see a different crowd showing up? Is there a different audience showing up, or is it just a different level of participant right now?
Speaker 2 2:08:32
I think a little bit of both. I mean, something really impactful this this past rally at LSPR. Obviously, emotions were pretty high, you know, at the at the podium, and and I was trying to put on like a a brave face, but um this this guy and his son came up to me and and they were talking to me and and asked for photo and and whatever and and they literally said like the only reason we came was because of you like like you introduced us to the sport and and blah blah, like so that kind of stuff. Like it really it it hits me hard afterwards. I'm like, wow, like that that's pretty amazing, you know. And I think I I also am seeing some younger audience, you know, coming into it a bit this year as well, and that excites me a lot.
Speaker 4 2:09:20
I think having like new people like you coming for f1 Academy, bringing a whole different audience, and then as well Seth coming from a different sport off road, bringing a different audience. I think that's like beneficial for sure to get have more exposure.
Speaker 1 2:09:36
Yeah, I mean you actually you obviously grew massively during the f1 Academy, Aaron, brought in a whole different audience. How much of that audience do you feel like is discovering Rally now through you?
Speaker 2 2:09:47
I was like, yeah. I mean, a lot of who I, or I guess the audience that I gained while being over there that just knew me from f1 Academy, like especially with the Netflix show that the second year. I think just brought a lot of people into something that they obviously have never seen before. Yeah. But you know, it's difficult to like keep them. I think as well, especially with like the lack of coverage we have here in the states, which which hopefully can can change sooner than
Speaker 1 2:10:22
later. My my famous statement that I said to a once organizer of Rally America before it was ARA was: If a rally car races in the woods in the weekend and there's no one there to see it, did it actually happen? Because because that was the struggle we had was we had to tell our own story because no one else was telling it, which is what literally built eventually the concept for Hoonigan and everything else, right? So, but yeah, it's uh, it's it it's it's a weird thing because I think I think this is something a lot of other race car drivers who compete in series that have a big TV package or have a lot attached to it, they don't realize like when you race and rally, you also have to be your own storyteller, right? Like you in NASCAR, you show up, you race, and there's a broadcast. And Formula One, you show up like there's a broadcast, right? And you know, and a lot of, and even in like a lot of short course and other stuff, like there was a broadcast around, especially when like Lucas Oil and stuff was bigger, you know. There's something there where in rally and and in other spaces like a lot of other things like you know Baja. Like you got to go tell your own story, and it's not easy. It's like the hardest story to tell because it's not on a single track. It's across all these stages
Speaker 2 2:11:35
coming into the to the you know coverage stuff now. Yeah, the Starlink and every yeah,
Speaker 1 2:11:42
B more and and those teams have brought a lot to like to. So
Speaker 2 2:11:45
there's not like any reason that we can't do it here in the states. Like, I mean, the Australian Championship does way more coverage than we've ever seen here, and and like
Speaker 4 2:11:55
I mean, Eliza ran a a camera like a live stream at every race this year.
Speaker 1 2:12:01
Oh, really?
Speaker 4 2:12:02
So she was the first rally driver in the United States. Yeah, do it.
Speaker 1 2:12:06
You should do that next year. Yes, she
Speaker 4 2:12:07
did.
Speaker 2 2:12:08
Well, it's been it's too much weight, but
Speaker 1 2:12:11
that's a race car driver speaking right. I mean, it's too much weight. She's mandated
Speaker 2 2:12:15
for everyone. Like that'd be great, and I'd be absolutely happy to do that. You know, I I want the exposure, and I I want this sport to grow in the right direction, but it's difficult with with the people in air. Yeah, they mandated
Speaker 4 2:12:28
it for the top 10 cars or something like that. Like it, you know, a fair payment playing field.
Speaker 1 2:12:33
You know, thinking about that, like, do you think much about how like you now have a role as like this ambassador for rally, especially in America?
Speaker 2 2:12:41
I mean, I would, I would love to help. You know, it just depends if people want to listen, which has kind of been the challenge in a lot of the past years.
Speaker 3 2:12:50
Yeah,
Speaker 2 2:12:50
and you know that.
Speaker 1 2:12:52
If trust me, I know the challenge is inside out, and it's why Ron and I did the two and a half hour podcast on how the fuck do we fix this, right? Because we care so much about it. You know, I mean, you know, WRC coming here next year is like something I never thought would happen. Right? You know, back in the day, you know, we worked to try to do to do an LA candidacy race, which we were trying to put that together to because after X Games there was this excitement, and we thought we had this momentum, and it felt like, yo, this is it; it's finally going to happen. And then X Games left L.A. went to you know to Austin for the first piece, and it just didn't make sense anymore. And all of a sudden, there wasn't a place, and and then we like then it became rallycross, and like it all just shifted, and it wasn't it wasn't the thing anymore, and like all the momentum just stopped.
Speaker 3 2:13:46
Right.
Speaker 1 2:13:46
And like in that period, like we were trying to be like, hey, maybe there's a race in California. Can we put together a candidacy? And you know, WMG helped us like try to put together that story to do that. And I think at a certain point, like a lot of us had been trying to figure it out for so long that, like, when the I knew the news was coming because I was told the day before, and they said tomorrow's the announcement, and I literally was like, "Yeah, I believe when I see it. Like I was that jaded that I had to actually go read it, and then even when it came out, like I wasn't like like this is something I've been waiting for for 20 plus years, and then I was like, "All right, like I just want to do. Like I want it to. I want it to happen so bad. I want it to be good so bad that I'm kind of like my eyes are closed because I'm like I just nervous around it. Yeah. And but then at the same time, I think that there's a lot of us who've been a part of this. You know, yourself, the entire block family, guys like Texas Dave, Ron, the like you know like you know all the O'Neills, like everybody who's been in here. It's like it is on us to figure out how to make this work because like this is the next like we haven't had a momentum moment like this since 2005, 2000 or 2006 with the you know when we did the you know we did. Games and like this is that next momentum moment. I think like here it is, and we're probably better prepared because you know what's actually really fun to see in the ARA listing is a bunch of young faces in Rally.
Speaker 3 2:15:13
Yeah,
Speaker 1 2:15:13
no knock on all these people who are my friends, but for a long time it was a bunch of old dudes racing. And the same
Speaker 4 2:15:20
people,
Speaker 2 2:15:21
absolutely. Yeah, same
Speaker 1 2:15:22
people year after year, you know. And hey, a lot of them were fast, and a lot of them were great, and a lot of them were ex, you know, top level drivers or former top level drivers who internationally who came over here to race, and that was cool. But it it made it made American Rally a weird place. American
Speaker 2 2:15:40
Masters Cup.
Speaker 1 2:15:41
That's wow. That's fantastic. It really was the Masters Cup. Like it was that, you know, and like, or you know, and it was just this other place. And then all of a sudden, like now there's like this young group of like you know American racers who are here. Obviously, there's some international racers too, but like there's young Americans in rally, which like we haven't seen on that level. Like we, there was always young American rally racers, but they were racing, you know, Mark II Volkswagens with no budget and no sponsorship, and hard for them to get out front. And yeah, there was you know Christopusies and things like that. But like right now, you look at it, you are like, okay, we're poised for this to work.
Speaker 2 2:16:17
Right.
Speaker 1 2:16:17
Like this is the right audience. This is like the right group of people who are racing. This is very sellable, you know. And like I always have to think about it that way. But it's like this story. Like as much as you hate this year, it's a great story, right? It will. Like it's a great story. Like it's a great story. Like it's a great story. And trust me. I mean, I watched this this thing. I think ARA put up and was like, you know, Seth or Leah, who do you want to win? And everybody was like, like, I just want Leah to win for the story. Like, you know, or like, ah, like I'm rooting for Leah. Love Seth, rooting for Leah. So there was all this energy there for for that for you to win, and for you not to win makes for a better story. Like, and I know you don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2 2:17:00
It was supposed to be a fairy tale ending this year. Yeah, but then it's
Speaker 1 2:17:04
over, and you're 20, and it doesn't get to be over yet. You got to keep fighting, and that just makes for a better story, you know. That's
Speaker 2 2:17:11
fine.
Speaker 1 2:17:11
And you'll you'll have your fairy tale. You'll have your fairy tale moment. Hey, let me ask you a question. Do you think if you would have won this year, because you got your moment where you you sat on top of the box in F1 Academy, and you said that that was sort of a moment where you got there, and you're like, "Okay, I'm good. I can leave now. Do you think maybe if you won this year, it would like have taken out some of the fight?
Speaker 2 2:17:32
No way. I mean, I I know what my main goal is, so
Speaker 3 2:17:36
right.
Speaker 2 2:17:37
I just
Speaker 1 2:17:37
because then it's the next championship. It's the next piece. It's it's growing from there. I don't know. I just say like you you are you like you like competition. I do. You are definitely driven by.
Speaker 2 2:17:49
There's not. You're definitely driven by
Speaker 1 2:17:50
not winning.
Speaker 2 2:17:52
Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:17:52
Like not winning is upsetting you enough to keep going. Yeah. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2 2:17:57
you don't learn anything by winning. So
Speaker 1 2:17:59
that's a good quote. Yeah, write that. Write those ones. Write that one down, listeners. Put her name next to it.
Speaker 3 2:18:06
Yeah,
Speaker 2 2:18:06
it's true.
Speaker 1 2:18:07
You don't learn anything. You don't learn anything by winning. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3 2:18:11
Losing, losing, losing. You lose.
Speaker 1 2:18:14
You learn a lot losing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 2:18:16
Yep.
Speaker 1 2:18:17
Look at that. She doesn't even. She doesn't have to go to college, and she's got many smart things to say.
Speaker 3 2:18:21
Yeah, mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:18:24
Homeschooling in the house.
Speaker 3 2:18:26
Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:18:30
Well, we've hit like the two hour and 20 minute phase. Are you getting a little hot? I'm
Speaker 2 2:18:34
hungry. Are
Speaker 1 2:18:35
you hungry? Yeah, we should go eat. I'm down for some food. Lucy, anything else? I feel like Leah really, really capitalized on this. I mean, she talked more than me, which is abnormal. So she
Speaker 4 2:18:46
did. She actually, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 2:18:47
yeah. She was. She saw it as a competition.
Speaker 3 2:18:50
Yeah.
Speaker 2 2:18:50
No. I mean, I was trying to let her talk sometimes.
Speaker 1 2:18:55
Whoever eats the most ramen tonight wins. Don't put me in that position, please. Don't.
Speaker 4 2:19:05
She works out more than me. She can eat more.
Speaker 2 2:19:10
Very true. Zach, I wouldn't be so loose. In
Speaker 1 2:19:12
addition to having to manage all these children's careers, which is a lot, we're also good. We got 43 I, of all these other things we're doing. Big year next year for a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 2:19:28
Yeah, I mean, trying to make things happen. I went from mom of three to mom of three plus three businesses.
Speaker 3 2:19:36
Yeah.
Speaker 4 2:19:37
So yeah, it's been a very interesting learning curve for my life,
Speaker 1 2:19:42
are you enjoying it, or have you? Let me ask you a question: Have you taken a moment to think about Are you enjoying
Speaker 4 2:19:48
it? I think recently, like I got to like kind of breathe for like a hot second. Not that I was caught up or anything, but kind of look at how things are actually. To work, so I think that's you know it's enjoyable now a little more because I see that I'm coming up to breathe a little, so I think I see momentum and I'm very excited about that. Not only with her career, you know, because that's really fun to watch her be successful, and as a mom, that's all I really wanted to do is make amazing humans realize their own goals, right?
Speaker 1 2:20:25
You'll understand this if you ever have kids, but until then, you won't. It's like a weird thing.
Speaker 2 2:20:28
Yeah, I'm turning out now.
Speaker 1 2:20:30
Yeah, that's fine. You can leave if you want. Okay, your mom and I can chat for a bit. I can't leave you guys alone though because we'll never leave. We'll set the record. The record right now is like three hours and like 20 minutes or something, so I'm hungry. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 4 2:20:45
it's been fun to watch them, and it's been fun to watch myself grow through helping them.
Speaker 1 2:20:53
Yeah, yeah. No, you have taken on a massive job. We said you and I talk about all the time. Like,
Speaker 4 2:21:01
what my my things I can't wait to do once this one meets her goals not only to go to WRC but she wants to be financially independent. She's very annoyed by that, very annoyed that she that I contribute anything, which is great. You know, she's not a freeloader. She's not a loaf, so that's amazing. Still
Speaker 2 2:21:22
live in your house, though. Yeah, you're never leaving. Remember? Oh yeah, that's true. Never have to leave. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 2:21:28
Why are you never leaving?
Speaker 4 2:21:29
Because I don't want her to.
Speaker 3 2:21:30
Because I'm not
Speaker 2 2:21:31
allowed to.
Speaker 3 2:21:32
I also understand that.
Speaker 4 2:21:36
Yeah, that's great. I love when she's there. She cooks for me sometimes. Sometimes she leaves shit all over the place, and I yell at her. But anyway, it's great. But I can't wait to spend more time in 43. I
Speaker 3 2:21:46
yeah.
Speaker 4 2:21:46
So I we've been in the building phase of trying to, you know, get more funds to be able to give them out, right? And that's the best part, you know. You don't put all the work into it to just you know receive funds. The whole point of it is to give back and and watch those funds multiply by what you're giving others. And I that's you know I think that time is definitely coming in the next year because we've spent a lot of time building this year, and that's going to be very exciting for us to see what differences it makes in people's lives.
Speaker 1 2:22:24
Yeah, I've got a really exciting program that Dankers, who is what is his title? He's like managing something. I don't know.
Speaker 4 2:22:31
Executive something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 2:22:33
Yeah, something. He he runs. He does a lot. He runs things at 43 while the rest of the board, myself included, are doing other things. But we've been working on something me, him, and Ron in the background that we're really excited about, which like I think is great because it's where, like, it's the fun part of 43 Eye that like I think needs to come forward, which will be really good. Because man, running a foundation is also a lot of work.
Speaker 4 2:22:55
Wow! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1 2:22:58
we we like came up with the whole thing and did it in like three hours, yeah. And then all of a sudden we're like, and now we're
Speaker 4 2:23:03
like three years deep, and we're like,
Speaker 1 2:23:04
wow, this is
Speaker 4 2:23:06
hard.
Speaker 1 2:23:06
Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to go raise money to give to people and do that, but it's cool. I mean, like obviously, you know, the the DSF works guys who are a few blocks from here are as a group we contribute to, and it's cool because like I get to see that effect like two blocks from my house, which is kind of neat, you know, to be able to like see those guys doing stuff that they wouldn't have been able to get because they didn't, they don't have the same megaphone from from the 43 I side. So like, yeah, that that part's that part's really cool. And yeah, next year like we can't talk about it, which is always like most people probably will realize if you've listened to this far. I know a lot about what's going on in the background. I ask questions because that's my job, and I'm asking questions I know they can't answer, which is kind of weird. And there's also things that I know about her future next year that she doesn't even know yet that we're going to talk about tomorrow. So, on that note, thanks for coming on the show, guys.
Speaker 5 2:24:08
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Speaker 1 2:24:22
So Nick, you see, I bought a new car. I did outside. Looks a little bit modern for you. I was really trying to stay true and like just drive old cars and and be in it. The AC died in the van. The RS two is like a little problematic, and then I got a flat the other day, so I bought a new car.
Speaker 6 2:24:40
New. It's 13 years old, dude.
Speaker 1 2:24:42
Yeah, but like for me, it is definitely youngest by miles. It's got only 28,000 on the clock.
Speaker 6 2:24:48
But it's you, so there's a catch. What's the catch?
Speaker 1 2:24:51
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