Adrienne (00:02.316)
Hi everybody and welcome to the She Leads Podcast. I'm so excited to introduce my next guest to you. Her name is Cami Gildner, and she is in direct alignment with everything that She Leads Media does, what it stands for, and just in alignment on all facets. So Cami Gildner believes women's voices matter.
And so do we. Cami's a connector, a storyteller, and a business coach for high vibe women entrepreneurs, helping them to raise up their voice, vision, and visibility for impact and business growth. Cami helps her clients build businesses they love with more time and wealth prosperity. I just love that so much. She weaves soulful inspiration into mindful business strategies.
and the Soul Plus strategy approach to business helps her clients succeed in business and worldly impact. Cami's the founder of the Extraordinary Women Ignite Conference and host of the award-winning Extraordinary Women Radio. She's the bestselling author of Fire Dancer, Your Spiral Journey. Is that correct, Your Spiral Journey?
Kami (01:20.834)
Yep, your spiral journey.
Adrienne (01:23.648)
Kami is the bestselling author of Fire Dancer, Your Spiral Journey to a Life of Passion and Purpose, and was named to the 2020 25 Most Powerful Women in Business list by the Colorado Women's Chamber of Commerce. Welcome to the She Leads podcast, Kami.
Kami (01:42.69)
Thank you so much Adrienne. I'm thrilled to be here and I agree. We have a lot of alignments I was looking at your website. I'm like, oh, we're so aligned
Adrienne (01:49.652)
We are so aligned, we are so, I think, alike, right? We both host conferences for women, we both are committed and dedicated to women and women entrepreneurs. And from my perspective, I believe that entrepreneurship is sort of the anecdote to corporate America, right? Like we need to start and grow successful, profitable businesses, and we also need to get those
Kami (01:53.354)
Yes.
Kami (02:00.141)
Yes.
Kami (02:10.323)
Yeah, totally.
Adrienne (02:17.792)
businesses and what we do and the impact that we're trying to make out into the world. So you do so much, Kimmy. Take us back to how did you even get into this world in the first place?
Kami (02:23.058)
Absolutely.
Kami (02:30.87)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I was in the corporate world for many, many years. I was a VPN marketing and branding, you know, global organization, you know, had 90 people actually reporting up into me at one point. So it was, it was a large organization. And so, you know, I've been doing marketing and branding and thought leadership for a really long time. But I, 15 years ago, and actually, it'll be 16 years this year. I,
Adrienne (02:43.477)
My goodness.
Kami (03:00.89)
got laid off. So always my best gift that I got laid off. And it was the year 2008. So even my second best gift was it was that year when there wasn't a lot of VPM marketing jobs to be found that year. And so that opened up my pathway to it. And it, you know, it definitely didn't just, you know, like pull the handle and then I launched a business. I really thought I would go back to the corporate world for quite a while. And I
Adrienne (03:02.06)
Hmm. Yep.
Adrienne (03:12.532)
No. Yeah.
Kami (03:28.634)
was doing a lot of inner work. That's why the whole soul side of my work is so important because that's where we really tap into our inner wisdom. And we get guided if we tune in like that. And so within about a year and a half, I discovered I was gonna become a coach. Opened the door into being a coach. Initially I was working with corporate or executive women who were
really exploring their next chapter. And that quickly shifted over into doing business coaching because all of my women that were, I was coaching in the executive world were like, I want some of what she's having. And they made the leap themselves into being entrepreneurs. And it was like, let's just take this deep work that we're doing and pull that right into your business. And what I found was when they were building their business,
from the inside out, like, you know, what their biggest dreams and desires were and who they were as a person, who they were at their very essence, building a brand, building a business that way. For Impact, it just becomes divinely guided, right? It's just the doors open up and, you know, the universe shows up for people when we do that. So that's been my journey. It was...
you know, as you mentioned, I've weighed together the strategy and the soul, but I think that's a really intricate part of my work because it takes both sides.
Adrienne (05:02.784)
This is so interesting, and I talk about this a lot. The fact that when women start businesses, we look to models of success, right? It's great. But a lot of the successful business models have been developed for and by men. And...
Kami (05:19.901)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kami (05:31.039)
Absolutely.
Adrienne (05:32.144)
So what happens is women try to build these businesses that are for men, right, built by and for men. And then we wonder, why can't we get past a million dollars? Why doesn't it work? And it's so interesting because it goes back to like even when women entered
Kami (05:39.734)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Kami (05:46.734)
Why isn't it working? Right. Mm-hmm. Right, right.
Adrienne (05:57.104)
you know, the work environment. First, we tried to like, look and act like the guys to be successful. Right. And I feel like the same thing happens in, in when we're launching our own businesses and in entrepreneurship. So, but then on the other side, when women, you know, try to launch things that they're passionate about, oftentimes it goes into the world of nonprofit. So where is that space?
Kami (06:02.274)
Totally. Mm-hmm.
Kami (06:11.201)
Yeah.
Kami (06:24.128)
Mm.
Adrienne (06:26.816)
where women can do the work that you help them to do with going inside in order to create something that is also going to have that profitability element to it because that is sort of the only way that I truly feel that women can then have the power that we need so that we can make positive change.
Kami (06:33.07)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (06:41.635)
Yeah.
Kami (06:55.654)
Yeah, oh, I so agree with everything you've just said there. And I think, you know, I think we're seeing a big shift in that. And I think definitely, you know, when I came into this world, so it's been what 14 years now that I've been, I've come into the entrepreneur, entrepreneurial space. And there was a lot of, you know, kind of bro marketing, you know, it's, it's the approach, right? It's like, it's the hustle, it's the drive, it's the
Adrienne (07:17.025)
Oh yeah.
Kami (07:23.194)
And what I'm seeing happening now is so many more women and women leaders, and I want to emphasize, I see this around me all over the place where women leaders are wanting to build businesses in a different way. And we have some wonderful gifts to build to tap into. We are natural connectors. We love to gather and circle, right? We know how to support one another. We know how to collaborate with one another.
So it's not necessarily the competition that's driving things, but it's more how do we collaborate together? How do we come together and be stronger together? So that's one way that I think that women build businesses differently. I think that our natural ability to build relationships changes how we do marketing. So relationships becomes a center of our marketing and how we're building relationships. And you know,
We can turn around and we can apply strategy right back at it. I mean, I will bring, I will bring, like, for example, I will bring a marketing funnel into conversations with my clients and I'll say, let's start at the bottom of that funnel where those relationships are, because you've already got people in your community right now that know, love and trust you and let's work with that community and then let's start building up the, the strategy. So, I mean, you have to, you have to do both sides of it.
Adrienne (08:47.948)
Hmm.
Kami (08:48.434)
But I think we're shifting up how we do marketing. The other piece of that is that I think some of the old ways of doing marketing was really around, you know, like find that pain and like rub salt in the wound. And I think we can change that up, right? And we've all seen some religious ugly marketing that way. We can change that up to because we're here to uplift.
Adrienne (09:06.032)
Yeah.
Kami (09:17.714)
the women in our communities. And we don't need to, I mean, there's enough mind trash that goes on in every woman's mind. And it's like, let's not like pull them down by rubbing salt in a wound, but let's help them see more possibilities than they can see for themselves. So really changing up how we're doing marketing. We have to understand the pain, we have to understand the challenges and meet them, but we don't have to like rub the salt in the wound.
to, you're building relationships, you're building connections, you're showing it more organically and naturally in your messaging, in the light of who you are. And that is what attracts people into your business versus having to like pursue, pursue. So there's a shift happening. Yeah, there's a shift happening. And it's exciting to me that this shift is happening. I think it will change how business is done forever.
Adrienne (10:02.388)
and scare people. Yeah.
Adrienne (10:12.26)
I agree. I mean, I definitely see the shift happening. I definitely agree that women have these incredible, just innate skills that can translate into doing business, doing business better. We consider humanity more when a woman earns a dollar. She puts it into her community so that everybody benefits and everything. It's so incredible. And I think the ultimate challenge there.
is how do we do all of that and get to a profitable business model?
Kami (10:48.574)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where it's really, to me, I look at, one of the things I talk a lot about is the pillars of prosperity. And so the pillars of prosperity are vision. So the vision of where you want your business to be, the impact that you have, but also the vision you have for your life. And in looking at that, what's the business model? What's the right packaging? What's the right pricing?
Adrienne (10:58.553)
Mmm.
Kami (11:17.762)
that helps you build the business you desire. And so there's a lot of focus in on that. It's like, how do you really focus in on your ideal client, focus on how you're helping your clients in that customer journey to you? What's the biggest things you're helping them solve? And so if you're getting into that building an offering that meets that client where they're at,
Adrienne (11:35.585)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (11:47.19)
and it's solving the high value problem, that's where you're like, okay, I have what helps you solve this issue that you have, but it's also the, you've really listened and you've built exactly what they need at that space. And so you've built that offer that has the dollar amount, the high value dollar amount so that it's.
Adrienne (11:51.679)
Yeah.
Adrienne (11:58.07)
Yes.
Kami (12:12.022)
you're not wearing yourself, then you're really simplifying into this one ideal client. And this is not beginning marketing kind of work, right? This is actually deep insights into who your customers are. So the vision part is really the right packaging and pricing. It's the right vision of what you want your business to be. So that's the first pillar of pillars of prosperity. The second one is the voice.
And that's where we get into a lot of the customer journey work of, you know, what is it that your client is thinking about right now and how are you solving that issue? So there's how you speak your client's love language. It's about building your brand from the inside out. And it's also about building thought leadership so that you stand out amongst the noise. So really the voice is the big part of, you know, it's the second pillar.
Adrienne (12:50.389)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (13:05.694)
And then the third pillar is visibility. You have the first two in place. How are you getting visible? How is your voice getting out to the world? How are you being seen and heard? And that's what you bring those three pillars together. And that's where the prosperity comes together. And you can look at businesses. I mean, I've been doing this long enough that I can look at a business and go, okay, let's look at these three pillars and which one needs a little bit of work on it. Sometimes it's just the smallest tweak.
Adrienne (13:35.2)
Hmm, yeah.
Kami (13:36.082)
But when you're working with a business and you're looking at these three pillars, if it's not driving, the profitability isn't coming out, if we can look, there's clues in those three pillars to really analyze what will shift that business upward.
Adrienne (13:57.12)
What do you think are some of the things that actually are getting in the way? Because it's all very sound, what you just discussed, right? It's about understanding your customer, their pain points, where they are in the journey, what's valuable to them, and then, you know, talking to them in their language, and then being vocal and visible and getting yourself out there. And I think so many women are like, yeah, you know, of course. And then what I've seen,
Kami (14:03.728)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (14:08.994)
Yeah.
Kami (14:23.202)
Yeah.
Adrienne (14:26.852)
is that women then get afraid or they get caught up in, well, I don't know exactly how to do this. So what are some of the things that you work with your clients to sort of get them past that? Cause the fundamentals are there. And like I said, they're sound. And I think everybody would probably agree like, yes, this is what I need to do, but then they go to do it.
Kami (14:37.12)
Yeah.
Kami (14:41.802)
Yeah.
Kami (14:46.378)
Yeah.
Kami (14:52.542)
Yeah. When the rubber hits the road. Yeah. A couple of things. A couple of things I think that happen is that we are hit with so many marketing messages on any given day, this is how you should be marketing. So people start going out and they start trying all the things and they start trying to serve all the clients and they get the.
Adrienne (14:55.932)
and something happens. Yeah.
Adrienne (15:08.926)
Mm-hmm.
Adrienne (15:13.388)
Oh god.
Adrienne (15:17.932)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (15:20.966)
So the complexity grows really easily. And going back to simplification, I think, is number one. And how do we ensure that? But I think the other piece that you're addressing here is around the mind games that can happen. And it happens for every woman entrepreneur, myself included, on a daily basis. I mean, there's just stuff that comes up.
Adrienne (15:24.127)
Mm.
Adrienne (15:29.141)
Yeah.
Adrienne (15:45.364)
It does. Yeah.
Kami (15:48.982)
And we have to get really good at recognizing when those mind games are popping up for us. And when they start to pull us down and when the, you know, so when I talk about these three pillars, there's one more thing that we really need. And it's how we, it's really taking care of how we resonate. Because our mind can get in the way, you know, we might not feel good in our body one day, you know, it's like we might get disconnected from our purpose. You know, there's all these
having practices, having community that helps you stay in that, that taking care of yourself, you know, holistically taking care of yourself, your mind, your body, your spirit, your community, all of these pieces, how do we holistically take care of ourselves on a day-to-day basis and the practices we put into place that allows us to say, you know, that noise that I'm hearing over here,
isn't for me to pay attention to right now because I am focused here. I've simplified, I'm focused, and I'm always saying simplify, simplify. The more we can simplify our businesses and not listen to all the noise that is around us, the more we can, you know, really start to, you know, we need to trust ourselves through this as well. I think that's a big part of it.
Adrienne (16:51.037)
Yeah.
Adrienne (16:57.066)
Yeah.
Adrienne (17:11.144)
Yeah. So do you see a difference with male entrepreneurs? Because, you know, so much of what you're saying, I'm sure male entrepreneurs would say, you know, yeah, that works for me as well. But I feel like when we're talking about women entrepreneurs, there is a greater connection between who we are,
and how we take care of ourselves and the health of our business. And I don't know that it's as, not that it's not important, but I don't know if it affects male businesses as much. And I'm only saying this. I don't have any evidence, no research. It's just my gut feeling. So what do you think the difference is there? Why do women need to be healthy and aligned and resonate versus a male who
Kami (17:56.774)
Yeah.
Adrienne (18:09.38)
just needs like, you know, maybe money and like some bros to help them out. You know, what's the difference there in your opinion?
Kami (18:15.538)
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. You know, I've had some men clients over the years, um, I always say smart men clients have come to me, but they tend to be very, um, kind of soul aligned who have found me, right? So I can, I can look at some of those clients and know that they, um, they felt a connection that they wanted a deeper connection to how their work created impact. And so
Adrienne (18:42.165)
Hmm.
Kami (18:42.442)
You know, they really, I mean, I've seen men who really truly deeply care about some of the same things that women care about. And I can, you know, I can see the same kind of mind games and head games that show up for them that, you know, women have. But what I'll say is, is when it comes to women coming together and circle and leaning into each other, we've been doing this for, you know, hundreds of thousands of years.
Adrienne (18:50.293)
Of course.
Adrienne (19:10.431)
Yeah.
Kami (19:10.75)
Right? You know, and I often talk about, we're in a changing paradigm of business. And I just recently heard a woman named Belinda Chiu, C-H-I-U, I think is how her last name is spelled. And she said, we're not in a new paradigm. We're actually going back to original ways of being, and we're remembering.
Adrienne (19:22.336)
Mm-hmm.
Adrienne (19:40.532)
Mmm.
Kami (19:40.67)
And I was like, oh my gosh, that was so beautiful. It was such a powerful statement. And I was, when I think about that, it's like, I think we as women have this natural inclination to be able to lean into each other, come together in circle. And we've been doing it a long time. And we forgot how to do it. I mean, I can go back to my corporate days and we had no, there was no kumbaya women gathering in circle.
Adrienne (20:07.9)
No.
Kami (20:08.574)
It was not. And so I think it's like we are remembering and we are coming back to something that is inherent in our beings. And I think that's just super cool.
Adrienne (20:20.492)
I think it's super cool too. And I do in so many ways think that women have an advantage. I really do. You know, and I believe this like so deeply. And
Kami (20:28.458)
I do too.
I actually have a slide that says our female advantage. And part of what that is too is that, and I haven't mentioned it, but it's our light. We've got an inner fire inside of us. So my book is Fire Dancer, and I wrote my book years ago. But it's Fire Dancer. It's the light inside of us. And we have that. So if we can turn that light up.
Adrienne (20:34.768)
Ugh, it's true! We do!
Adrienne (20:42.56)
Yeah.
Adrienne (20:55.753)
Yeah.
Kami (20:58.014)
And we turn that light up for, I mean, we help each other, turn each other's light up. We feed into that. That's how we resonate. That's the power. And so that's my, the slide that I use in my conferences and teachings is the female advantage is that we get beyond just being confident in projecting our message, but we actually embody our message.
Adrienne (21:23.457)
Yeah. Mm. Oh my gosh, I can't even talk because I agree with all of this so much. And my mind always gets stuck on the, okay, and how do we then turn that into profit? Like that's the stuff that the guys are really good at.
Kami (21:38.946)
profit. Yeah.
Kami (21:42.891)
Yeah.
Adrienne (21:43.272)
We are so good. Everything that you're saying like, yes, we're so good at coming together, helping each other, all of it. But I've seen it. You get together in the community with women and then you maybe put up an offer, even if it's high value and everything. And then all the questions start. And then how can I get that at a discount? How is this gonna change my life? I need proof. Like it goes down this crazy path that
Kami (22:03.71)
Yeah.
Adrienne (22:12.828)
if, and I've seen it actually at my own conferences when I have had men at the conference, cause I always do. There's something about when a man talks that women listen and they gravitate toward him over the women and I don't like it. And it's frustrating to me because there are a thousand women that are just as good, have services that are as good if not better.
Kami (22:26.006)
interesting.
Kami (22:29.762)
Yeah.
Adrienne (22:41.756)
and for some reason there's this pull toward well, you know, maybe he knows best, right?
Kami (22:48.806)
Interesting because I don't see that I actually don't see a lot of that and it could be that I don't go to a lot Of men's conferences somebody sent me a conference today that was very I was like that is just not my that's not my vibe I'm not gonna be there and When I think about profitability What I know is if we are in the strategy if we're building the strategies and we're stepping into it
Adrienne (23:03.432)
Yeah.
Kami (23:15.674)
and we're adding that light and that fire of ourselves and that the combination of that soul and that strategy work is what really is where the magic comes in with that. And I mean, I...
Adrienne (23:23.996)
Yeah, it's like it amplifies it. It's the, if the business model is sounds and it works, the light, the fire amplifies that. I 100% agree with that.
Kami (23:32.359)
Yeah, yeah. And there's one other aspect of that. It's the consistency. It's like, how do we, how are we, I mean, you're podcasting every week, right? It's like, I just took the month of December off and podcasting for the first time in seven years. And I'm like, I can do that. I can do that now. But you know, I have done, you know, it's like the
Adrienne (23:48.928)
Wow.
Adrienne (23:53.589)
You can.
Kami (23:59.654)
when I talk, I talk a lot about time prosperity alongside of wealth prosperity. And when we build our businesses in a smart way, we're simplifying our business models, we're simplifying, you know, what we offer, who we serve, we're simplifying our market marketing in ways that we're only choosing a few ways that, you know, that we want to build our business on, and we're getting really good at those. That's some of the strategy that we put into place.
Adrienne (24:03.356)
Yes. Yeah.
Adrienne (24:08.827)
Mm-hmm.
Adrienne (24:27.724)
Mm-hmm.
Kami (24:28.126)
And it's the consistency of showing up in that and being visible, having that business model there, and being visible. And what I sometimes see is I'll see people go get visible, but they will be missing some of the vision pillar. They'll be missing the solid offer that they really need, or they might be off on their messaging. So it takes all three of those.
And that's where the profitability comes from, from a wealth perspective. And the time perspective comes through by being super focused, setting those boundaries, setting the boundaries of when am I gonna work and when am I not going to work? It's about creating white space for yourself so that you can actually do your big picture thinking and not just be doing your business all day long. You're actually, you know, so that you can work on your business, not in, you know.
Adrienne (25:11.837)
Yeah.
Kami (25:26.358)
So it's that sort of thing. And it's like the puzzle, or the pieces of the puzzle, all fit together to bring that profitability.
Adrienne (25:36.38)
Yeah, it just makes so much sense. And it's funny, it's like, I think there are so many things that women are so good at. And one of those things is taking care of other people and other people's needs. And what you're saying is that, you know, especially if we're going to have these successful, profitable businesses, some of that nature that is within us, we do need to set aside.
Kami (25:48.407)
Yes.
Kami (26:00.532)
Mm-hmm.
Adrienne (26:04.788)
for the time being. Because I know even for myself, I was working earlier today and my son who's in college needed to do a resume for, I don't know if it's for a job or a class or whatever, but he texted me and was like, hey, can you help me format my resume? And I was like, sure thing, put everything else aside. I'm like, what do you need me to do?
Kami (26:32.778)
Yeah. And we're so good at that, right? Yeah.
Adrienne (26:35.012)
I will take care of it for you." And so good at it. And it's like, I know that I'm helping him and he, because he's my family, really truly is my number one priority. However, you know, I have been recognizing this about myself. Instead of doing it for him, he'd probably be better off and I'd probably be better off if I guided him to do these things himself so that he learns how to do it.
Kami (26:47.487)
Yeah.
Adrienne (27:04.416)
do it. But that's very difficult for me. It's a life challenge to be less controlling because I also want to help so much. I just want to see him get further, faster and not have to worry about some of these things that I just can do like magic, right? Because we're going to incorporate for so long.
Kami (27:04.799)
Yeah.
Kami (27:25.586)
Yeah. Or you could have said, hey, I'd love to help you with that. Let's work on it tonight. I mean, that's where I think women are really easy to give up our time. Our time is our most valuable asset. And it doesn't have to be all business focused. We get to choose what we want that to look like. But I think that's the word is we get to choose when and where we're making those. And I think that's the way it is.
Adrienne (27:30.973)
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Kami (27:50.938)
I heard somebody say years ago on a Ted talk, they were talking about life balance. There's not anything such thing as life balance, but it's life integration. And when we're at one place, let's be very focused on that one place that we're in. And then when we go to another place, let's be very focused on that. So if we're working, let's focus on work. If we're at home, let's focus on home. And not just let it commingle.
Adrienne (28:02.933)
Yeah.
Adrienne (28:20.768)
Right, don't let it mold together. Because it does, it gets murky and messy. And then we wonder, we're doing all of these things, but we're actually not making any progress. I love that. And a couple of things that you said, like choice, right? We have a choice, we get to choose setting boundaries. That helps us to be able to make those choices. And this simplification.
Kami (28:25.877)
Yeah.
Kami (28:30.591)
Yeah.
Kami (28:41.098)
Yeah.
Adrienne (28:47.068)
along with these other pieces that you discussed, I do think that those are almost like the ingredients for success. I think that is just so incredible. So how can people get to know you, work with you, join your community, get involved? What can they do?
Kami (28:47.263)
Yeah.
Kami (28:55.758)
Totally. Yeah.
Kami (29:09.726)
Yeah, so you can go out to my website. It's camiglner.com. So K-A- dot com. When you get there, there is a button at the very top that says get updates. And I do free trainings every month. So I've got, for example, I've got just I've got webinars, I've got roundtables, something that I'm doing every single month that are free to attend, and I'm talking about all of these topics that we've been talking about today. So it's ways to go into deeper.
Adrienne (29:23.628)
So that's amazing.
Adrienne (29:35.914)
I love that.
Kami (29:39.074)
in any one of these.
Adrienne (29:41.196)
This is so good. I think when you do things like that, anybody, you're putting something out there that's of value and you said it before, you're building trust and people are getting to know you. Then when you do have that offer that is of exceptional value, people are more likely to buy from you because they know you.
Kami (29:54.058)
Yeah.
Kami (30:02.366)
Yeah, totally. It's part of the no love and trust model, right? It's like, and as I say love, because I truly love my clients that come into my community and I want that same, I want that back and forth. So it's, I say no, it's the no love and trust. My marketing funnel is called the no love and trust funnel. And so that is definitely a part of that. I run mastermind programs and we're in the midst of enrolling 2024 masterminds right now.
Adrienne (30:08.139)
Yeah.
Adrienne (30:21.28)
I love that.
Adrienne (30:31.04)
Amazing.
Kami (30:31.73)
I have two of them. One is for six figures and above, and one is for building those core pillars. But the six figures and above is really for scaling your business to that next level. So all of this integrates into the mix of the work that I do. My podcast is Extraordinary Women Radio. We'll have to have you over there as well. Oh, I'll think of someone. Yeah, yeah. That's so kind. Thank you.
Adrienne (30:49.065)
and your podcasts.
Adrienne (30:53.996)
Oh, thank you so much. I would love to be a guest. That is so good. Thank you so much for spending time with me today and just giving such great value to the SheLeads podcast audience. I know that there is going to be a lot of takeaways. I definitely have mine, I think, focused on the simplicity and the boundary setting. So I'm going to take those into my business in 2024.
Kami (31:16.875)
Yeah.
Kami (31:20.946)
Excellent. I love that. Well, it's been a pleasure meeting you, Adrienne.
Adrienne (31:24.249)
You too. Thank you so much, Kami.
